Alien VS Predator 2004 was TIGHT

[@Katnkits]

Ridley was carrying a queen.

[@Alteori]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH you are right!!!

[@ManSpider92]

*Ripley

[@DangerDan64]

@@Alteori You didn't remember? I haven't watched Alien 3 in more than 5 years and I still remember that fact. Not trying to flex, just saying Alteori you should honestly make notes when you have problem about something.

[@ggrarl]

@@ManSpider92 unless they mean Ridley, Commander of the Space Pirates, and a Queen Metroid, lol

[@wren7195]

@@ggrarl And was named Ridley because of Ripley in the Alien movies *nods confident in herself* My favourite character, Ridley's Super Metroid theme is awesome. ...hell, everything in Super Metroid was awesome. Bless you Christopher

[@blyat8832]

Honestly I never saw what people hated about this film. In terms of crossovers, this is probably the most faithful and entertaining one, and helps build up way more mythos as well, and had plenty of monster scenes and did basically everything that I wanted it to. The sequel is a bit iffy, but over all these films are way better than the reviewers say it is

[@cjkalandek996]

I think they were disappointed that the theatrical release of the first _AVP_ was PG-13. That whenever _Alien_ and _Predator_ are involved, it MUST be R rated.

[@mercerholt8299]

@@cjkalandek996 True but the lower age rating convinced some parents including my own to take their twelve/thirteen year old s to see the movie and thus a new generation was introduced to this franchise.

[@windowsVD]

Requiem is absolute a$$ from almost every filmmaking standpoint though.

[@blyat8832]

@@windowsVD never said the sequel was good lmao. In fact I mentioned that it was iffy. Try to finish reading a paragraph before commenting sometime, it'll help out more

[@windowsVD]

@@blyat8832 You said overall *these* films are way better than people give them credit for. Requiem is absolutely not, it’s every bit the disaster that people say it is. Try remembering your own words next time. Calling Requiem “a bit iffy” is a gigantic understatement, that was my point.

[@aceundead4750]

The three predators in this movie were "unblooded," hadnt killed a xenomorph yet. The mark the one predator puts on it's mask is to symbolize that it was now a "young blood," one that had killed at least one xenomorph, which would allow it to go on solo hunts like the jungle and city hunters did.

[@DarthBiomech]

They're clearly sapient, so "him", not "it".

[@primeofthejustices7127]

As I remember they are young blood after they kill Xenomorph they will become blooded the unblooded still cannot hunt xenomorph until they get enough trained by their teacher

[@aceundead4750]

@@primeofthejustices7127 that might be it, it's tough to remember exactly. All i know is Hunter Borgia on Blooded difficulty taught me the importance of long-range

[@primeofthejustices7127]

@@aceundead4750 well this one I’m not sure

[@aceundead4750]

@@primeofthejustices7127 Hunter Borgia is from the Predator Concrete Jungle game with Blooded representing hard difficulty

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

In the AvP video game, it was revealed that Bishop Weyland had a digital copy of his brain created which was uploaded into an android. And everytime he is "killed", his mind transfers to another body. He's pretty much been running the company for centuries by constantly transferring his mind to a new shell everytime something happens to his old one.

[@peachtree2579]

Interesting, maybe David from promethius was infact Weiland, hence why he did all the strange things he did inorder to recreate and control the monsters that hunted him in the first place, it also explains why even as an android he still had empathy to a degree even as an older model the human element remained

[@jacobweatherford4696]

@@peachtree2579 wouldnt his mind degrade over time being copied over and over again which could actually explain why he becomes a badguy

[@TheMultiversalDip]

A) Which AvP game? The 2010 Aliens vs Predator isn't lore connected and the previous 3 were made with the Alien lore of the time in mind.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

@@TheMultiversalDip 2010

[@TheMultiversalDip]

@@Warrior-Of-Virtue ​ Yeah 2010 is barely connected to the movies to the point there isn't even a real reason to say they are connected, they're supposedly set in the same universe but if you remove that statement there's basically nothing to connect the two, there isn't anything major such as a direct reference/ mention to tie the two in game and the stories aren't connected to the movies, unless you count the predaliens looking similar enough and not as varied as previous predaliens in the games.

[@shainewhite2781]

It took them 13 years to make this movie happen. At one point,, Sigourney Weaver was going to be in the movie but dropped out because she thought the idea of a crossover was a terrible idea

[@kennethsatria6607]

Well you don't really need returning characters to make AVP work anyways, its more fun to see them horrified on first contact by something we know of

[@andrewdowns3673]

Actually... they should've had the return of Newt. I mean, think about it. Retcon her dying on Alien3 (which everyone hates happened anyway), age her up, have her be raised by Ripley, have her replace Alex's role in AvP, and have the movie take place on a colonized planet that discovers the Xenomorph pyramid. Heck, if you did that, AvP coulda been a franchise with Newt (and maybe Scar) exploring the origins of the Xenomorphs and Predators.

[@AnAmericanMusician]

She was in Ghostbusters 2016 but wouldn't star in a legendary crossover that fans always wanted.

[@shadowoffob555]

Ok see Sigourney Weaver's character would even be born in AVP. Newt same deal. Do you 4 people really believe introducing time travel to the alien and predator franchises be a good idea?.

[@JackassJunior627]

Even though crossovers between them happened before this film?

[@The-Black-Death]

I REALLY never got the hate for this movie at all tbh, it's quite memorable and it's story is intriguing and cool. Not to mention the action scenes and how they really expanded both the Predators and Aliens together and fleshed them out rather well while being faithful to the source material.

[@yiledute]

One reason is because it conflicts with every other movie from both franchises. The xenomorphs are not supposed to ever be on Earth. They were found for the first time in the future on another planet very far from Earth. Alteori mentioned other things that have to do with these inconsistencies like the aliens attacking a host that is already carrying one of they offspring, the Yautja not checking for a xenomorph inside of Scar. The MO of the predators in Earth was also to just drop one or two of their kind on some part of the world and let them hunt to proof their worth with trophies. That is what happened in the first two predator movies and in the comics. That made them mythical, like unknown entities appearing here an there across history. But in this movie suddenly the predators are the ones that taught humans to build and somehow many cultures interacted in the same place, but no further explanation was presented as to why there was no trace of this anywhere else.

[@liam7930]

This movie introduced me into the world of aliens and predators. Not long after that, my dad let me and my brother was the aliens movies. Good times!

[@The-Black-Death]

@@Waterbug1591 Are you forgetting that the Predator LITERALLY told her to back the f up without saying anything,? Mofo just growled at her ass.. XD

[@mrspeigel3593]

It's fine but the original comic series was so so good every other Alien vs Predator story has been lackluster compared to it. It felt like part of the universe it didnt hurt that the artist on the first half of the series was a story board artist on most of James Camerons movies. And honestly the story felt like a Cameron/Hurd story..nigh comic perfection it wasn't the best selling non Marvel/DC comic at the time just because people like monsters it was legitimately great. Sadly this movie is but s pale reflection of it. It's all cause the Alien people at 20th century Fox didnt want to.sully their xenomorph with dirty Predators. It's funny it's like vampires and werewolves and poor Predator is the werewolf. Of these Alien people made the trainwreck the Alien series had become and later gave us Covenant, good job gatekeeping assholes...

[@MRF-bq7kq]

because it's mostly mid af and makes no sense, retcons a shit ton of things from both franchises, has weak characters and not a very strong plot and because it is PG13 which absolutely sucks but I understand why so many people love it, it's the perfect childhood/early teenage movie and if you turn your brain off or you don't know much about neither franchise or don't care and don't care about characters or plot, it's a dumb movie that can be enjoyable like Freddy vs Jason for example

[@cybercase_7807]

Fun fact, there is a comic story where Predators kinda adopt a human woman and have her hunt with them, there's many stories of Predators taking in people who the see as good hunters There's even stories of Predators joining an Indian tribe after Killin q bunch of them and respecting them So if scar took lex the other would probably show her respect if she proves herself

[@retrozip]

Pretty sure there's a comic where she went to their ship

[@juggalox1000]

Machiko Noguchi the first Human Predator and in fact the first Human Female Predator she was a badass

[@shanehughes3511]

I think as humanity has evolved technically, they see us as their rival. Their future equal. Only the engineers seem to have ever been able to rival man or predator in intellectual ability

[@dr.calibrations7984]

I seem to remember the human Predator being treated quite poorly. She was treated so badly that she defected and went back to the human colonies.

[@nitrokid]

@@dr.calibrations7984 Not that she was treated badly or anything. Or because she's human. The Yautja actually hold a lot of respect for her. Generally, Yautjas treat each other harshly anyway. Brawl is like a greeting. Noguchi defected against her Predator pack when they came across a group of humans. The Predators sought to hunt them down, so Noguchi had to pick a side, so she decided to help her fellow humans. Later in the series she had another run-in with the Predators but gained their respect back after defeating (killing) a Predator on 1v1 challenge.

[@MrAutobot390]

Fun fact: That Xenomorph you call "Dice" is actually named Grid. Also the reason you see Weyland again in Alien 3 is because AVP isn't actually canon to either the Alien or Predator universes. They're all separate franchises. The Weylands are two separate characters played by the same actor, Lance Henriksen, one of two actors who have been killed by a Xenomorph, Yautja, and Terminator. The other being Bill Paxton. I love this movie because it was actually my introduction to both the Alien and Predator franchises. I can't say the same for the sequel though, the only thing I liked from AVPR was the concept of the Predalien. The Yautjas in the movie actually do have names, and while you're right that they don't say them, their names are: Celtic, Chopper and Scar. Scar is the one that makes it to the end of the movie, and that marking he puts on his helmet, face, and Lex's face means that he has reached "Blooded" status. A Yautja reaches this status by killing a Xenomorph. That marking is probably the only reason that the Elder Yautja didn't kill Lex when they took Scar's body back to their ship. He recognized the marking and as a sign of respect, gave her his spear. Lex is basically an honorary member of the tribe. Also the reason Ripley wasn't attacked in Alien 3 wasn't just because she had a Xenomorph growing in her, it was because she had a Xenomorph QUEEN growing inside her.

[@macwade2755]

Sorry but you are wrong. They are all Canon to each other!

[@MrAutobot390]

@@macwade2755 Do you have proof? Because there is no mention or even reference of Predator in the Alien franchise. On the other hand, the only references in the Predator series are an easter egg of a Xenomorph skull in Predator 2 and Lex's spear from this movie pops up in The Predator 2018.

[@forencu]

My family literally remembers this movie as, "ohhh that predator movie with the predator and his girlfriend" and I can't get over it😂

[@spaceknighterrant]

When I was younger, this movie scared the crap out of me. Specificly, the parts with the xenos. It also made me love the predators since I thought they were really cool as a kid. After I saw this, I watched predator, and after that, I got the concrete jungle game. This movie was a gateway to horror and the avp universe for me, and I'll always love it for that.

[@nightblader1]

That game was awesome! I loved it how you could fight the hoard of Xeno’s towards the end.

[@spaceknighterrant]

Yup. I also liked the gore,unlockables, and over the top gritty stuff. I was too young to play it though lol. Weird how predator has a lot of sexual stuff surrounding it. People like their buff netted up aliens.

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

I thought this movie might be good because Paul Anderson did Resident Evil which is a good sci-fi horror movie. I was WRONG

[@phoenixblade8315]

Also, despite being cold, human internal body core temp is 37.2 degrees Celsius. The predator would still probably be able to recognise heat signatures. I know Arnie hid his heat signature with mud in the first predator film but I’m not quite sure if this would work in real life. Ideally, using fire against the predator is a better way of masking heat signatures.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Predators 2010 nailed that concept good

[@faded1to3black]

The mud thing would not work. The body heat would just warm up the mud to whatever your body temp is radiating in a fairly short amount of time.

[@phoenixblade8315]

@@faded1to3black I thought so. Thanks for the clarification

[@labbyshepherdpuppy5943]

But I’m pretty sure they can see movement and have pattern recognition.

[@rachdarastrix5251]

Please, watch a pro kill this scene. In the jungle the movie crew were filming in it was so hot that in order for the thermal camera to work before they started filming first they sprayed everything down with cold water.

[@Veed.l0]

22:00 you cut out the best part; Scar's unintentionally adorable 'shocked face' when the queen emerges.

[@DarrenMoore-le6pg]

His “holy shit!” facial expression was funny as hell.

[@ejperez3691]

I really like that they put together two of my favorite alien creatures in one movie. Also they gave the alien and predators names, in the ending credit you can see two names. The alien was called Grid cause of the pattern on its head from the net. And the main predator is Scar, cause of the scars, the other two are Chopper, the first predator that got killed, and Celtic the big guy. Apparently they were all brothers too.

[@zeratul____1228]

Loved Celtic's biomask.

[@MRF-bq7kq]

so this film is actually a family trip gone wrong then

[@zeratul____1228]

@@MRF-bq7kq all 3 wind up dead and now the rest of the family has to deal with the child one left behind.

[@MRF-bq7kq]

@@zeratul____1228 a family trip movie turned horror movie

[@ejperez3691]

@@zeratul____1228 same, I want to start collecting predator masks

[@aiiv7839]

This was one of my introductions to both the Alien and Predator franchise, so I can't really hate it that much. I like it, and it's certainly better than the sequel! (Also, in reference to the title, and I'm going to regret this, but...that's what she sa-*whack*)

[@MRF-bq7kq]

it's a great introductory film for people who aren't aware of either universe and kids, it's certainly not the worst Predator or Alien film too, The Predator is infinitely more insufferable

[@ggrarl]

So are we just not using "phrasing" anymore?

[@MRF-bq7kq]

@@ggrarl 🤓

[@NickM_FirstofHisName]

🤣

[@sabrinabattle1229]

25:31 It's true that the alien stopped when it found out that she was carrying one of their own, but wasn't that only because it was a queen? She was carrying the queen right? I think since the alien attacking her was a soldier it stopped. Since the queen can just make more maybe that's why she didn't care? Although, there was the thing about threatening her eggs with fire soooo, maybe eggs are more important? XD

[@RisingCrossroadsStudios]

I think the big thing with why she was still attacking was mostly because out of anger

[@KristopherPrime]

Add to the fact the Predator was an active threat. When a human is face hugged, they usually aren’t going to be a threat for long (if at all). But Scar was still well and truly a menace to them.

[@darthsacul3940]

People hated this movie? I remember my theater cheering when the Xenomorphs and the Predators were on screen together. I'm guessing it's one of those things where it fails at the boxoffice but gets a cult following later on, like Treasure Planet.

[@AMacLeod426]

It's actually kinda the other way around; this movie was actually one of the most profitable movies in either franchise. And, somewhat paradoxically, it's also one of the most disliked of either franchise by many of the hard-core Alien & Predator fans; not mention nearly the lowest rated on imdb and Rotten Tomatoes.

[@JackassJunior627]

The movie has flaws BUT in three different aspects, it gave me a third Predator movie, it introduced me to the ALIEN franchise, and it became the best vs movie for me with Godzilla vs Kong on par. My love of Aliens and Predators extended immensely from this movie to explore the expanded media, the canon and non canon stories, and now making the Alien/Predator franchise my all time favourite franchise.

[@Metphies-]

To elaborate upon why the Xenos didn't attack Ripley but DID attack Scar(Teddy) is because he proved to be too much of a threat than his worth. He would(and did) eradicate whole hive and was even battling the Queen herself. She decided her life was more important than that of a single unborn xeno, because she is the queen after all, and she can make those types of decisions. A drone like in Alien 3 could not make that decision, especially since Ripley wasn't directly threatening a current queen

[@paulman34340]

It was only at the end that it did try to kill Ripley, but that as simply it being so pissed off after the whole "molten" thing that it's angry and wish to kill her in retaliation overwrited his instincts to focus on keeping the Queen's Host alive. So yeah, it didn't kill Ripley because she cared the future of it's species in her. But the pain she inflicted caused it to go mad and fully embrace it's animalistic nature to destroy what harmed it badly no matter what (exactly like Scar except Scar was designated a threat sooner then Ripley was as there was no preserving the species with Scar then it was with Ripley)

[@nightblader1]

Pretty sure the Predators can cycle through different vision modes with their visors, like what the Jungle Predator did against Dutch’s mud camouflage. Can do it too in the Predator games. Still though, raises questions…the common audience member won’t know that, so just an oversight that added to the list of criticisms people had with this movie.

[@XCentis]

the jungle hunter didn't change vision modes that was its eyesight when it took off the mask when going against Dutch A better example would be with the city hunter

[@kubikkuratko188]

City hunter did that when he tried to see the goverment agents

[@thexenohunter5355]

The symbol is meant to represent the Hunter's first Xenomorph kill. The whole trial, as described by Sébastien reading the hieroglyphs, is for Youngblood Yautja to prove themselves as warriors by killing 'the ultimate prey'. The mark, (despite looking like a lopsided T) is meant to resemble a Xenomorph. Mainly the head and body in a tribal-esk style.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

Weyland is a surname. The people in the other movies are his descendants. Also, this one's name is Charles Bishop Weyland, which is why the androids with his face are called Bishop.

[@Alteori]

Ohhh. But there's one that says he is the founder of the Weyland business but his name is Peter. Did they just retcon that or is it a different company with the same name?

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

@@Alteori Well, that's the main problem. Alien and Predator are such old franchises that have traded hands numerous times that they're in that camp of things where either it's all canon or none of it is. AVP is non-canon to the original films. Prometheus and Covenant are (I think) a reboot. And The Predator...throw that in the same bin as Rise of Skywalker. I haven't seen Prey yet, so I don't know about that. Also, Dark Horse did a whole plethora of stories. And the bottom line is that you can basically pick and choose what you see as canon. I know that this is my favorite film and my favorite video game follows it's canon, so this is the one I go with.

[@clayharris7740]

@@Alteori hey Alteori can you please review Dragons the Nine Realms season 2 and 3 and could you please review some werewolf movies including on called 100% wolf which is a family friendly werewolf movie

[@peterkrochmalni673]

@@Alteori just look at it as Peter Weyland trying to Joseph Stalin his father, Charles Weyland, out of existence so that he can come out looking like the big shot in town.

[@KristopherPrime]

@@Alteoriat this point the Alien/Predator canons are what you decide is canon. You have the core canons (the seperate franchises) and the collective canon where you can lump it all together. Also about the weylund “inconsistency”, it all connects quite well potentially! Charles here died in 2004. Peter (likely a relative) took over the company and reorganized weylund INDUSTRIES into the weylund CORPORATION, likely also doing everything possible to imply the new Weylund is a completely different business than Charles ran a rebranding, if you will.

[@cybercase_7807]

I adore this movie, this started my life long love of alien monsters and slashers

[@anonymouschameleon8249]

I dosen't really make sense continuity-wise. AvP is pretty much not canon to the Alien series thanks to Prometheus. Though, can still be considered canon to the Predator series. Though there's also contension that Peter Wayland is Bishop's son, and the Bisdhop at the end of Aline 3 is either lying and he is a robot, or a clone. There was uncertnalty as to whether he was human or not before this movie even came out, he can't really be taken at his word in the theatrical version of that scene given the context. Though the assembly cut obviously has the red blood, so take it as you will.

[@DarthBiomech]

Prometheus is non-canon to the Alien either, since it claims that David had made the xenomorphs, when in the Alien the alien ship was lying on that planet for millions of years already.

[@johnblack8872]

Personally i never viewed avp in any capacity as a canon story to the individual alien/predator movies. Same way DC and marvel crossovers arent canon for the overall individual stories of the heroes. I would however LOVE to see a AVP trilogy with a massive buget but with disney owning alien and predator i doubt that will happen

[@paulman34340]

@@DarthBiomech Covenant felt like it was Ridley Scott trying to retcon Aliens since it wasn't HIS work! Similar to how Ken Levine used the Bioshock Infinte DLC's Burial at Sea to retcon Bioshock 2 since it looked like he'd never be working on the series again like he had to piss all over it and say "this is mine!" (Man is VERY known for being a control freak, Companies always suffer when they give him free reign and a team with no oversight) But yeah the David maker shit along with Prometheus felt like a huge retcon that really went no where (to the point I like to ignore their existence as an Alien Fan! To Me Alien, Alien Isolation, Aliens and Alien 3 are the canon for me! I have a strange warm feeling for the AVP games and the Alien Fire Team games to an extent, everything else I chose to ignore! AVP movies are guilty pleasures of mine! But everything else "NON CANON!")

[@SleepySlann]

1:20 I had to laugh at this one. :9 Cola is the name of the drink, named after the nut that it is made with Pepsi cola and Coca cola, have always been separate companies, despite both being named cola. 11:10 He had children who inherited the company and probably a strong family resemblance. Although the later one might be an android, since they based their looks on the founder. 25:30 He was not carrying a queen, so it would not be worth it to keep him alive.

[@15-HM-A1-L]

For the guy who’s laying down in the snow and sitting still yes they would have seen him with thermal vision, if he was in a tundra he may be able to blend in with the earth and soil but in the ice if his body is warm enough to be alive they would still see him with thermal vision, as well since they are hyper advanced there thermal vision is likely to some degree more advanced than normal.

[@haramberoth117]

I like to think the queen was blinded by rage. She had been used for so long and chained and forced to feel as her children are slaughtered over and over. It might have made her go insane in a way. So she was just attacking everything and everyone at that point.

[@BigBuggaMikey]

I think its more of insect way, the queen might've seen that Scar(Tommy) had the pred-alien, which in turn might make her children go against her like for example bees sometimes kill their queens and then feed the new one I think its more like that

[@haramberoth117]

@@BigBuggaMikey the xenomorph from what i know only molt new queens out of necessity so i dont think thats how that would worked. If the predalien had been born with the queen still alive in the same place i think it woukd just molt into a drone predalien and not a queen. Besides considering the beyond normal human intelligence the xenomorph queens have i think its safe to say one thats been alive for that long would have serious mental trauma after mentally feeling her kids die via the link she has with them. Imagine say you could mentally connect with your child and one day its stolen by a wild animal and you can feel its fear and panic and confusion as the animal eats it. Now multiply that by god knows how long that queen was chained up and how many kids she had to feel die. A intelligent mind like that will crack and burst because of the trauma. The xenomorphs aren't just killing machines ....well the queen isnt at least. She feels and thinks like a human mother x100000. Shes an amazing mother and she cares for all of her children even the ones inside the eggs. Think about it. The queen in aliens was having a bitch fit when Ripley killed her kids and made it her sole reason in life to hunt her down and kill her she even went for newt at some point as a "fuck you. You killed my kids, im taking yours too" i love the xenomorph queens because they feel like we do. They're not so different from us. They even can communicate with us if they wanted to. Thats why i said maybe this queen was just so done with everything and was so blinded by the trauma shes had to go through at the hands of scars(teddy) species she went full berserk and killed him and didn't even check to see if she just killed her last remaining offspring.

[@BigBuggaMikey]

@@haramberoth117 That makes sense tbh but from another comment if their were 2 queens their drones and queen would fight to the death for the terrotiouty like animals and gotta be honest I love animals idk why I said that, but trauma+keeping the tittle of queen is what I think now

[@haramberoth117]

@@BigBuggaMikey from what i know the queens keep to themselves since they can think like us. They can coexist. The only time i can think of is when a subspecies that was made by humans or something started a war with the normal xenomorphs. Predaliens are natural xenomorphs tho they're like normal xenos but from a different host it be the same thing if the dog alien from alien 3 became a queen.

[@BigBuggaMikey]

@@haramberoth117 We'll never know

[@aristeasturmschwinge1235]

I actually watched this movie yesterday and yeah, I like it to. Alexa is a great character in almost every scene she is in. Scar the Predator is very likeable, I really enjoy the wordless communication between him and Alexa, it is actually well done. And the aliens in this movie are awesome! When did we see an Alien Queen go on a rampage like in this movie? They look great, they move great, for some reason I like it when they use their tail, it just looks elegant.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

For the aliens attacking Scar despite the Predalien. Ripley's Chestburster was a queen and there was only one Drone. In the comics where there is more than one queen, the two hives end up fighting. So even if the Predalien was a queen(which it was something in between) that would just make killing it a bigger priority. A drone would just be expendable, especially if the host is dangerous.

[@Asmokedetector]

I don't think it ever says that the predalien was a queen, and I think that's kinda dumb. The predalien just had the ability to deposit chestbursters from its mouth, that's how I saw it, never as a queen. And since there is no other predalien, why bother saying "predalien queen", especially since you said it isn't even really a queen lol

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

@@Asmokedetector That's why I said something in between. The point I was making is since there's already a queen, the chestburster would be expendable either way. And if it was a queen, they'd just be trying harder.

[@Bb-xq7gk]

But the predalien is functionally a queen since it spawns more Xenos and has control over the regular drone Xenos in AvPR...

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

@@Bb-xq7gk it looks to me like it's its own thing. Also it doesn't control the drones, it just bitch slaps them out of the way and they learned not to fuck with it. It's like the evil step mother of xenomorphs.

[@Bb-xq7gk]

@@supersaiyandiclonius3056 it calls them to its defence later in the film when wolf shows up, it looks to me like they listen to it the same way they do the queen in the first film.

[@geardog24]

Right after Godzilla vs Kong this is the best VS movie there is, though it suffered the same problem of focusing on the humans.

[@connorwood9211]

Freddy vs Jason?

[@DangerDan64]

4:00 Anther misconception, this isn't technically the Xenomorph Queen, this is the Xenomorph Empress which is a step above the Queen, that's why this one is so much bigger.

[@tenshineko0159]

This was my own first introduction to the Alien and Predator franchises. I love Scar and Grid, you call them Teddy and Dice(I love those names). But when I saw the Face hugger leap out at Teddy, I thought he killed it. Man, I want a what if story for Lex, Lexa, and Scar/Teddy. And if Scar/Teddy didn't get face hugged.

[@PinkTuskedMammoth]

I couldve sworn they named Dice(kek) Nethead. But maybe that was just the game with the same temple map for multiplayer

[@kubikkuratko188]

@@PinkTuskedMammoth hes named grid

[@kubikkuratko188]

Dont look for it on the internet, youll find a lot of.....Ehm.... "steamy" fanfictions.

[@_.oyster._7192]

Me being honest after watching this movie I had the most mixed feelings being "that makes sense" and " How the FUCK is that supposed to make sense?!?!?"

[@maazypaaz]

This was one of the most entertaining movies I’ve ever watched as a kid. People who hate on this are just bitter

[@hunterngames6643]

To answer the seeing the dude despite masking his heat with cold, this timeline takes place after the first predator movie. After that event the species was well aware of what Dutch's tactics was used and adapted to them.

[@DarthBiomech]

Or that maybe simply a still alive human is still way hotter than the ice that surrounds him.

[@brianbardel482]

The aliens are way too overpowered and the predators are waaaay too nerfed in this movie. I was always predator biased but you can tell the director liked alien more that's why one single xeno kills two of 3 predators when there's dozens of xenos, a more accurate representation of their strengths against each other is actually unfortunately in AVPR where the wolf predator just annihilates xenos in the dark for an hour and a half. These predators were young and dumb and had never fought xenos before, as well as the director Wes Anderson being so incredibly biased towards aliens. He admits this as well, he originally wanted to make an alien sequel without predator but studio wanted avp and Wes Anderson just wasn't a predator fan, so you end up with what should be a weak drone xeno horde getting rekt by predators with some predators dying here and there throughout the run time, and instead it's what should be a weak single xeno killing two of the giant brute predators, it makes no sense and it's kinda embarrassing. Plus the rule is if there's a whole hive of them like xenos, they're relatively expendable, but when there's less of the predators, you don't kill them all at once halfway through the movie. Theres no reason the nethead xeno beats the chopper and Celtic predator, the Celtic predator definitely should've killed that xeno and kept living it's like they didn't know what to do with 3 predators, and again they weren't predator fans, this is much more of an alien movie than a predator movie. So that's my giant rant about how the aliens are way overpowered and the predators are waaay nerfed in this movie.

[@BigBuggaMikey]

Seriously I hated how Celtic died but it showed his personality he follows the honour code to much it would've made sense if Celtic died first(because he's the oldest and well he's the leader) then Chopper fights with rage and gets cocky and becomes swarmed and got killed off screen questioning did he die or not but thats my opinion

[@benzelwasington4059]

@@BigBuggaMikey well They where young unblooded hunters inexperienced

[@BigBuggaMikey]

@@benzelwasington4059 yea true but you could see Celtic had loads of human skulls on his pikes its just annoying how Celtic is meant to be reckless trying to prove who he is but just gets stabbed from the back like it was cool for the alien reveal but it made Celtic seem like an idiot

[@benzelwasington4059]

@@BigBuggaMikey Ohh that was choper not celtic

[@BigBuggaMikey]

@@benzelwasington4059 oh my bad haha 😂

[@nicholaslanelaningham6857]

In an early draft of alien versus predator teddy actually was aware the predalien chestburster was inside of him and before he died he said to lex "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" as he tried to use his dagger to off himself and the chestburster but he died of his wounds before he could do so. Also Xenomorphs will attack a chestburster host if the host is too dangerous to the survival of the hive to keep alive.

[@FredBstar3K]

when it comes to this movie and the second one it's best to think of it as it's own thing cause it's impossible to fit it into the alien or predator franchises also fun fact: each predator (and the one alien) has their own name and personalities the celtic predator(the one that had the awesome alien fight) is the aggressive/arrogant brute who is pretty much the leader of the group, the one that got stabbed by the xenomorph's tail is named chopper who is the youngest of the group (think of it like a little brother trying to prove himself) and finally "teddy" who is actually named scar is the smartest and most skilled out of the three ( as you could tell he's also the most inquisitive). when it comes to the xenomorphs there's only one that slightly shows a personality, the one with the net markings is named grid. he (yes fans call him a "he") is the most intelligent/independent out of the others, you could immediately tell since he never aproaches things head on like the others while sometimes appearing like a leader figure (although some theorize he's this Intelligent cause he's a potential candidate to be the next queen)

[@dr.calibrations7984]

It irks me to no end when people misgender a Xenomorph...

[@seanbrown2294]

I prefer Net Head but Grid is also fitting. I heard a theory once that Grid was the chestburster that popped out of the blonde woman in the sacrificial chamber. Thought that was pretty cool.

[@phoenixblade8315]

Last surviving predator is called wolf and the alien which got netted is called grid

[@Tores444]

Wolf is the one in Requim. This one is Scar

[@phoenixblade8315]

@@Tores444 my bad😂

[@Alone-SF]

Found this channel under a week ago, and I have watched quite a lot of videos already. Even if I don't agree with nearly all the opinions you have talked about in your videos, I must commend how you can enjoy even the weirdest things (like calling some questionable stuff cute) Keep it up.

[@dirgewordsmithe]

FYI, "cola" is a FLAVOR, Pepsi and Coke are BRANDS of cola! Not sure if anyone pointed that out already. Great video!

[@Asmokedetector]

In terms of visuals, creature designs, cgi, and the general concept, avp is the best movie in both franchises lol.

[@leonidkalasknikov3714]

Dear Alteori, You have seen and reviewed Predator 2, you have seen that the Yautja have different visual modes. So you know that a Yautja can see in cold environments. Loves your vids, keep up the great work.

[@zion6680]

I love this movie it feels like a love letter to both Alien and Predator and is one of the Vs films along with Freddy Vs Jason that I actually really enjoy. It feels higher quality than any of the new Predator movies and Alien films. It's got Lance Henriksen, that guy from Train Spotting who is like a scottish version of Bill Paxton lol. It's a great movie, it's a shame Requiem was so freaking dark you couldn't see anything half the time.

[@DemolitionCanister]

seeing the fight between 2 alien species (one being a trophy hunter and another being a killing machine) is just so 👌😫

[@ryanallen6325]

I just assumed either a clone or great grandkid or whatever. Knowing Weyland probably a clone though. I think it’s explained in one of the books.

[@kokushibo1014]

The aliens attacked teddy because the xenomorph that he had in him was not a queen one like repley had, this one was just a drone they don't care about one drone

[@rachdarastrix5251]

Hmm, lose one of your own, allow a thing to live that can kill more than just 1. I can understand that.

[@absol-lutezero5309]

the Predalien that was inside Scar was actually a Queen in the second movie she was close to becomeing a Queen

[@enderethan144]

If only this movie was rated R like Freddy Vs Jason (2003) though the sequel was rated R it didn’t really succeed.

[@TheFoshaMan]

19:13 That was bloody funny xD 21:17 That little poor Teddy u.u

[@Wolf-bz6kq]

I'd like to think that predator spared alexis because his hunt is for the xeno and went after the humans cuz they got thier guns and she was unarmed and in a nonaggression stance. Also I think the predators have different helmets with different sights those were adapted to the cold environment, maybe?

[@jasonkeith2832]

By the time the team-up happens, there is only one predator and maybe 2 humans left, so he probably realized that he needed to cooperate in order to survive and not let the xenomorphs escape and trigger some kind of near-global biomass eradicator that was a fail-safe in case a trial failed.

[@benjaminjohnson3755]

4:25 - It's explained in some of the novels and comics that humans may not be physically intimidating, but we are cunning and extremely intelligent (compared to many other species the Youtja hunt).

[@niiling]

Little info on the side. The guy that played the father of the two kids had actually an interesting role as Spud in the movie "Trainspotting", which I totally recommend. He played a Junky alongside Ewan McGregor, Johnny Lee Miller and some other great actors. I think he´s sadly an underapreciated actor. Thanks for this great review. Your style is always funny and entertaining to watch.

[@danielramsey6141]

I agree, he could’ve lasted had the film set up for him to survive this movie. But I do love this film due to the fact that it is well-paced and there are some interesting ideas put forth.

[@alessandrorona6205]

''I can just imagine the adventures that they have these two if they were to go on being friends.'' Alien hunt Time Come on grab your friends We'll go to very deep space With Teddy the predator and Sanaa the Human The fun will never end, it's alien hunt time!

[@slimysalad1417]

This is the greatest crossover since Freddy vs Jason.

[@Hiihtopipa]

That movie is SO BAD :D it's hilarious but God awful :D

[@allovett6246]

8:16 Max Stafford was saved from the net cutting into him but instead was killed by Celtic's combistaff because he was already diced up by the Red Queen's grid laser trap.

[@blinkachu5275]

Personally I really liked this movie, despite the hate for it, and despite the director generally putting out trash movies. I liked that most of the Predator/Alien's were actually in camera, not just CGI. I liked the concept of the Predators hunting the Aliens. The acting is somewhat wooden, but other than that I think it's quite good. People were just so hung up on the "it doesn't fit in the canon" stuff I think. Where I'm just like "It's called alternative universe" XD

[@TheDeadGunslinger]

To answer your question about the continuity of Peter Weyland and Bishop Weyland, etc. AvP is NOT canon to the Alien universe, but IS canon to the Predator Universe. The timeline and canon of the AvP movies and games do contradict the other movies. Basically, the Alien movies are in their own timeline, and the extended universe are in their own timeline.

[@billwhipple9039]

I'd recommend checking out the predator series with the character Machiko Noguchi. Her story one of the better looks at predator culture and, imo, Lex is at least partially based on her

[@alwaysplotting2096]

It's like an RPG. Xenomorphs are the Warriors. Yautja are the Rogues. And Humans, believe it or not, are the Mages.

[@midnightblue1874]

It would be interesting to have a RPG game like WoW only with difference that is in Predator / Alien universe...

[@phoenixblade8315]

Coke and Pepsi never worked with each other. Cola is just the generic drink.

[@Alteori]

OHHHHHHH ok

[@macwade2755]

Charles Bishop Weyland is the owner of Weyland Industries. When he dies his son Peter Weyland ends up inheriting his shares of the company and rebrands it as Weyland Corparation when he comes of age in 2012. Also the who we see in Alien 3 is a more advanced andriod based on Charles Bishop Weyland.

[@gee8531]

The alien that you named Dice actually does have a name. They called it Grid. I think it's in the credits as well

[@RazielTheUnborn]

Heartbeat. The Biomask can also track heartbeats. They may not be able to see the dude because of his body temp but his heart is still pumping. The one who killed the guy is the most cautious of the trio. He likey has been checking the bodies to make sure everyone was dead unlike his elder brothers (he is the youngest of the three siblings).

[@knowledgebase7880]

This was a great movie. I watch it whenever its on and enjoy it. It was done much better than the sequel and was a good crossover movie. Thanks for putting it out there.

[@t1ydot]

Definitely a guilty pleasure movie but the director, who’s a fan of both Alien and Predator franchises, definitely didn’t do the movie justice. Why he put Predators hunting in the freezing cold??? Predators only hunt in hot climate!!! That was explained in Predator and Predator 2 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@BigBuggaMikey]

I'm guessing originally as we saw in the movie Antarctica was a warm humid climate before the ice came in, The Predators couldn't be asked to build another pyramid just might as well keep that OOOOR different clans have different pyramids for example Scar's clan has that pryamid and etc but seriously it was kinda silly

[@velveteenv76]

Loved this one, Requiem made this one look like a master piece. Sequel should of continued this story.

[@sRp517]

10:27 Fun Fact: That Xenomorph's official name is Grid.

[@gabrielalexanderkemp]

So for the consistency with the predator thing, predator masks can come with a variety of vision types and he could have probably switched to one of those to see him and take his head

[@gabrielalexanderkemp]

Every other consistency problem was a actual mistake by this movie for the most part, it's a movie that isn't liked for a reason. Don't watch the next one for your own sake

[@noneya3635]

In fairness the guy that the Predator killed at the bottom of the slide was still alive, he would have had a heat signature regardless of how cold he was unless he was dead awhile. There's no question he'd have been visible to infrared.

[@nekolvr11]

This is my favorite of both franchise! Scar(that’s his name, Celtic was the one that was 1v1 Grid the xenomorph in that first fight after Grid killed Chopper). They really run with the teenage ness of the Predators in this movie and I love it. One of my favorite scenes is a deleted one (I recently found out it was added back in the unrated version and I’ll buy a whole new copy just for that!) but when Scar is making Lex the spear and shield he actually pranks her by getting her to focus on the head and then making the second mouth pop out to scare her, and she just gives him a look like ‘haha you little shit’ I love it! That and his sassy head shake when he killed the baby chestburster. Despite the inconveniences, this is still my favorite movie out of all of them and I wish Scar had lived, Lex had gone with him and that trash sequel was never made!!!! I think the Waylon issue was answered in a director commentary of alien 3 that that Waylon was a clone of the one in AvP but idk how the one in covenant fit in other than possible a descendant. And the bomb in the flash back I believe wasn’t to destroy their tech it was a fail safe to destroy any overpopulation if the Predators fail in containing and killing their prey. Rather good idea given how fast Xenomorphs can reproduce. The queen attacking Scar when he has a chest burster, I have a theory on that she did that on purpose because it was a predalien-given it’s behavior in the sequel it definitely would have been a rival and not been submissive to her authority. Chet-the predalien-would bully the drones and even killed them over food, he could reproduce on his own and at a higher rate than the queen. Definitely a threat to her.

[@ManSpider92]

I was pleasantly surprised to know in expanded lore that these three Predators are siblings. Three brothers. With Chopper, the second oldest wants to prove himself to Celtic. And Scar is the youngest but also the most pragmatic. As much as I dislike AVP:R, I love that it gave us Wolf. Like Scar, I wish he could have survived in the end.

[@nekolvr11]

@@ManSpider92 their siblings, wow never knew that! The only thing I found relationship wise(and this may just be fan theory) was that the predator that gave lex the spear was Scar’s father.

[@ManSpider92]

@@nekolvr11 Yeah, if that were the case then three of his children would have died that hunt. But given the lifespan on Predators, he's probably got hundreds more running around.

[@POVGames07]

AVP Was pretty cool, especially with the Mexican pyramids lore. When I visited Chichen Itza, I actually saw people selling Predator and Xenomorph scrap metal statues there. Pretty cool people actually know that enough to sell it.

[@theunpopularopinion9833]

This movie was my introduction to both the Alien and Predator franchises, and while it does have a good number of flaws (outside of the PG-13 rating), I still love it, though I'm still bummed out that Scar (aka Teddy, I love that nickname you gave him XD) died in the end. Can we get a film where the Predator survives, please?

[@animezilla4486]

I love this movie seeing two famous monsters battling each other who doesn't want to see that we have to wait for the next brawl Godzilla versus Kong to take that mantle

[@chriscuzzi1957]

If I remember correctly, when the predators pick up "Teddy" they don't have thier masks on. That's why they couldn't scan him for a chestburster.

[@BigBuggaMikey]

Oh they did but they I'm guessing didnt have the right settings for it just the heat or night vision or somethn as ya can see the ship is dark af

[@chriscuzzi1957]

@@BigBuggaMikey I'm not so sure, it's hard to tell in this video but I watched the movie yesterday and I don't remember them having thier masks on. I think one of them might have but I'm pretty sure the others did not

[@trueblaze84]

It's established in the second alien movie that the xenomorphs can't be seen in thermal vision, and sense predators can only see in infer red that means they are invisible to normal vision, which is why they need to switch their masks to a different vision mode to see them. You'd think they would check to make sure none of them were infected before bringing them on, but then again they might be arrogant enough to believe no Predator is dumb enough to get caught with their mask off to get infected so it's a stretch but possible they simply forgot to, expecially sence they had just lost then entire group they were likely in some kind of morning over the losses.

[@dobi287]

I don't see why the predators would just scan teddy when 🅰️ they were only shown scanning enemies and it's NOT they're primary vision mode 🅱️ they saw him go down fighting. They'd assume he'd been successful up til that point

[@shainewhite2781]

I was going to see this movie in theaters but got into a fight at school and was grounded for a few days. I did manage to get the movie on DVD but it was the crappy Fullscreen version.

[@richardvhal8140]

If you paid more attention to where the Queen stabs Teddy you'll find she stabs him in the stomach, not the chest which is a xenomorph's usual target when using their tails. it was too impaired the hunter's ability to fight and move.

[@spawnofragnarok9267]

What if the SCP foundation had Sarah the same universe as the MCU marvel cinematic universe what would happen then and how would it play out in the scenario ?

[@GDSK09]

The fuck does that have to do with this video??

[@legendarywolverine5529]

I never knew this one was hated, always thought it was just the second one. I loved this movie, used to watch it regularly on DVD just to see the Xenomorphs and Predators duck it out. They have one of the best monster/alien fight scenes out there and I just love seeing it.

[@sourdough_ak998]

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure the waylands are a family starting off with the guy in this one. I think the whole Wayland yutani thing comes from them getting predator technology from either this movie or the next one, which leads to them becoming the biggest corporation in the world and starting their own spaceship company situation, which is out trying to find planets to colonize by the Prometheus era. I think the guy from alien 3 is just another great great grandkid, obviously played by the same guy. The version from Prometheus is the only one that doesn't look like this guy, but by that point I think this actor might have passed away? Either way, it's one of those situations where they're all from the same family and just look either identical or similar. Or at least that's the way I interpreted it.

[@rodan9773]

I love this movie especially The Introduction of Grid that Predator thought it was all slick that POW tail to the SPINE lol. Respect and keep up the epic work.

[@mrmeeseeks5016]

Hey Alteori! Huge Fan! but just FYI Mr Weyland in this movie is the Original Peter Weyland but in the opening of AVP you can see a magazine where Mr Weyland is developing an Android which in terms will be Bishop and the AVP Sega game that Weyland is an Android who runs the company and to be honest I believe that Alien 3 that Weyland is an Android too. His Company makes all sorts of Androids including David so one can speculate that this way his way to immortality before he got sick.

[@glitchedsouls7593]

Bishop in Alien 3 was most likely just another artificial person, like the Bishop in Aliens Other little things: The Xenomorph with the markings is officially named Grid, and Teddy is officially named Scar, most Yautja have actual names that the comics or toys say, Grid is one of the few Xenomorphs to ever get a name, one of the others being Big Chap from Alien 1.

[@seanwhitehall4652]

5:30 the guy's skin itself is still above zero so he should be visible, it works. Humans are valid targets because they can shoot back and are intelligent.

[@rachels3584]

Just another thing with how Teddy (Scar my beloved) saw the ice cold man, in another pred movie (the second one) some guys they tried to block their heat signature to fight them which was when the introduction of the multiple bio-mask sights became a thing. So they could have seen his bones with X-ray or the sight they use for the Xeno's whose temp matches the surrounding area as well. Oh and the comic that this movie was based on, they show that while most queens protect their offspring some will sacrifice them to save their own life. Also yes, can attest... People be knew for the vibes between Lex and Scar.

[@samms3353]

I´ve been binge watching your videos, especially the ones about Alien movies and Predator💖I love that you comment on how great you think these movies are, especially because I feel like they need to be more appreciated

[@SmugLion]

I never thought I'd find someone that talks about movies the way I do to my gf who just smiles and waits for me to finish, then an Alteori vid was recommended to me.

[@zmanjz]

You make a fair argument that AvP is better than I remember after the passage of time. as an 80's baby I was spoiled by the originals of every awesome series. But now that we've been "Dark Fate'd" the scale of good vs bad movie has been recallibrated by the past decade. This is currently the Third Best Alien Movie... (though I do have high hopes for Romulus)

[@-MrFozzy-]

When the main character looks at the XENOMORPH and says ‘you are one ugly mother’ makes me SO INCREDIBLY ANGRY!

[@zali13]

It was fun. I really enjoyed it! And yes, I have read the original Dark Horse comics. AVP, DHP and the old Predator comics. Predators hate the cold- it really pisses them off😂

[@noneya3635]

P. S.. A predator named Teddy is the funniest shit ever! Ten out of ten.

[@jeremiahbolano8590]

The reason why the elder gave her the spear it’s because it’s a sign of respect When the leader of a tribe watches you defeat his most strongest member in combat he will therefore honor you with a weapon or a trophy as a sign of respect like in the second movie the predator gave him a flintlock pistol and in this movie he gave her a spear it’s a sign of respect

[@TheBaconWizard]

Of course with different writers you get inconsistencies which is a shame. But canonically, the Yautja earn each of their weapons in turn, starting with the spear-thingy and then later they earn the shoulder-canon. So the elders in this are like "ok cool, well-done, we recognise you as an entry-level warrior, have your first weapon"

[@purplekittyladson8354]

Tysm for reviewing this:), this is one of my favorite AVP movie and it’s good to see one of my favorite commentary channel review it, keep up the good work🙂

[@johnnywalker8815]

I did not know this show was not well received 11 old me loved this show thanks Alteori for a glimpse of my childhood much ❤️.

[@sherryelder9511]

The Xenomorph king, mostly know as the monstrosity he is a rare type of xenomorph and are found only in the biggest Compared to regular Xenomorphs standing on its base, hives, and is about 5 times bigger than them and 4 times bigger than the queen.his head crest is perhaps slightly smaller than the queens, but its legs are more muscular, and the dorsal tubes are longer and his legs are more muscular compared to the egg laying queen.

[@LewisRJHope]

Pepsi and Coke are different companies, and from what I know, always have been. Cola is the name of a carbonated soft drink flavoured with vanilla, cinnamon, citrus oils and other flavourings. Dr.Pepper is also a kind of cola. Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola, etc.

[@GirlofCulture]

It's funny thou, because the Xenomorphs were actually designed to get rid of the Yautja, as a bioweapon. But it got out of hand.

[@bertoldbilicki4250]

Hi the thing about SCAR is that his watched alex and sebastian talking that "if we work together wi get tu the surface" end he realised that his comrads CHOPER, CHELTIC alone end has a bigger survival chance if they work together. Watch the directors cut its full of extra scenes.

[@seanwhitehall4652]

AVP is underrated. AVPR deserved it's hate, AVPR is correctly rated as barely-watchable (even when you can see it).

[@mollyencrypted2488]

My favourite thing about Lex and Scar and their dynamic is that they are both the designated brain cell holders for their respective teams, and two brain cells total is not quite enough. Also they are Drift-compatible.