Alternative Core Competency Form- Medical Specialities

[@shuhaabshah131]

Hello sir. I wanted to thank your for your videos. I have landed an MTI in general medicine. A lot of information i got was from you. So thanks a lot I wanted to ask one thing though. I want to apply for IMT after signing after working for a few months. Would it be possible to leave MTI midway for IMT. And second . If i get alternate competency forms signed after MtI of 2 years,can i apply for group 1 specialities

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Congratulations on your posting. You can leave MTI midway by giving an appropriate notice period in your job. Usually it's 3 months. Yes, you can apply for ST4 group 1 specialty. But IMT will make the process smoother and hassle free.

[@shuhaabshah131]

@@SumanPaulDoc thanks a ton . For this and for everything else.

[@anutrisha2294]

Thank you so much

[@NoorAlhalabi-mr5pd]

what is the recommended portfolio for that, how to get JRCPT one please.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You can subscribe to NHS eportfolio

[@faizanmaqsood1706]

You are doing magnificent job Sir ! I am working as a trainee in cardiology in pakistan,i have cleared MRCP 1 2 AND PACES i want to apply for non training job can you please tell me that HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO GET NON TRAINING JOB IN UK ? AND My supervisor here in Pakistan is a fellow of royal college CAN HE BE ABLE TO SIGN ALL MY ALTERNATIVE COMPETENCIES FORM ? THANKYOU SIR !

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Roughly 3-6 months to complete the application, interview and other formalities for non training jobs. Being a fellow of Royal college is fine but they must have worked in the NHS in the last 5 years. Make sure your supervisor satisfies all the criteria that are mentioned in the alternative form.

[@Lpkia010]

Amazing video Suman ! tq. just wanted to ask, I'm a new non training reg in gastro in UK. I have a 2 month rotation to acute medicine. Have no specific rotation to the ICU for critical care or geriatric ward specifically. How should I go about the 4 months of geri criteria ? Thanks ! Appreciate it

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Thank you for your kind words! It's great to hear that you found the video helpful. When it comes to meeting the geriatric and critical care criteria, you need to arrange 3 months posting after negotiating with your employer. This is the tricky part.

[@anjalijog837]

can you please explain section 5 on the alternative competency form for those who dont have such portfolio? tia

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Portfolio is mandatory for these competencies. Not possible without it.

[@ameerali8713]

Hi doctor , thank so much. I have a query. I am a Board-certified General Medicine Specialist in Iraq. I have full MRCP and I managed to secure a specialist post in acute medicine in the UK. Do I need the CREST form or the Alternative form or both to be signed off in order to enter higher speciality training ST4 level? and is it possible that the alternative form signed in my country like the CREST form?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You need only the alternative form, not CREST form. It can be signed in Iraq by someone who satisfies all the criteria.

[@sbose7058]

is a completed QIP mandatory for filling alternate competency form for st3 training of obgy.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Yes

[@Dr.Housenbergstark]

Sir, can I apply for ST3 cardiology after this with DNB medicine and after clearing MRCP?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Yes

[@Dr.Housenbergstark]

@@SumanPaulDoc What is the procedure sir?

[@vonone6895]

I had completed 2 years medical training and then neurology board, can I sign these in my home country? Should I create E-profilo in my home country or once I'm in uk?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You can get it signed in your home country provided there is someone who can fulfill the criteria to sign the form. You won't need a portfolio for neurology. You can sign up to NHS e portfolio once you are in the UK

[@crreddy9744]

Hello sir Can you do a video on mrcp ireland Like comparison between mrcpuk and mrcp ireland and it's recognition in india

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Hi, I don't know much about MRCP ireland.its not recognised in UK and also not by MCI as post graduate qualification.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Sorry just a correction, MRCP I is an acceptable qualification to work in UK and recognised by GMC.

[@dr.alaminsarker7247]

Hello Sir,how can I enter in ST3 in Nephrology in uk after completing MRCP and MD (5years) from Bangladesh(about 7+years after MBBS) ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

MRCP+ alternative core competency form will make you eligible for application for ST4 Renal medicine.

[@varsha2102]

Sir, how long would it take to get the competency certificate if I get a non training job at the UK after completing both steps of MRCP? Would it take more than a year? And is it possible to get alternative certificate signed by a non GMC registered consultant in India? Which of the above routes is better, according to you? Thank you for your time!

[@SumanPaulDoc]

3 months at least provided your supervisor is willing to sign the form.If you find a consultant In India who satisfies all the criteria as per JRCPTB, then you can get it signed in India.

[@varsha2102]

@@SumanPaulDoc Alright sir. Thank you so much!!

[@ranadam5568]

I want to do my MRCP after my internship, if I get it and get GMC registration, can I skip IMT if I work for 6 month in service job uk to fill the Alternative core competencies certificate? I thought if I finish MRCP I can immediately work at ST3 level

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I don't think this will work. Best wishes for trying

[@atultiwari6507]

Hello sir Can I apply for cardiology training in uk after MD Emergency Medicine(3 years residency Programme) in India with full MRCP ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

If you can satisfy all the eligibility criteria, you can apply.

[@atultiwari6507]

Thank you sir Can you please guide me for the same. Few more details about the same.How can I approach as Indian doctor ?🙏

[@prajaktakanekar2229]

Thank you for the valuable information. Could you please help me with the following please- Please Do you have to get this signed off while working at a registrar/act level or will JCF/st1-2 also qualify?? Please do you know which areas qualify as critical care settings apart from icu, can I work in mhdu to meet the criteria Also 200 patients in acute settings- does this mean AKATS, or can we ask the consultant to fill simple CBD forms. I have done my MRCP and working towards getting this signed

[@SumanPaulDoc]

JCF/ST1-2 level Medical HDU is fine We don't need CBD for each of 200 patients. We keep an excel sheet calculator for these numbers.

[@mohammedaleqaidi6862]

@@SumanPaulDoc Can you please provide guidance on what to include in these excel sheets? Thanks

[@rasvindersingh1088]

Hi dear dr. If a supervising consultant is able to sign off all parts of the form do u still need to submit an eportfolio? Or the completed form is sufficient?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Only form is sufficient

[@rasvindersingh1088]

@@SumanPaulDoc Thank you sir !

[@shahulirfan2445]

Sir.. how long will it usually take for a UK consultant to sign a core competency form being a non trainee in uk after completing MD RESIDENCY in india for three years and clearing the MRCP exam… i know its minimum three months sir.. but on an average how long it takes to complete the core competency form signed

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Depends on the consultant

[@melancholymedicine6905]

Could you share for psychiatry

[@SumanPaulDoc]

medical.hee.nhs.uk/medical-training-recruitment/medical-specialty-training/psychiatry/higher-psychiatry-training/overview-of-higher-psychiatry-training/applying-for-higher-training

[@AzureSeraphimRick]

Suman sir after mrcp from India can we get into cct training as opposed to cesr after mrcs?or is we will get cesr for medicine also

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You can get into CCT

[@ravishshah2565]

Can we achieve all those competencies by working as non training doctor in UK after Mrcp in 1-2 years time ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

That's possible

[@ravishshah2565]

@@SumanPaulDoc Thanks a lot

[@mariellah7982]

Hello Sir, is it possible to achieve all the competencies as a non training IMG SHO? Secondly, once I have this form signed do I have to be in a registrar role to apply for ST4? Thirdly, may you please advise on which trusts in the UK support jr doctors using this route to enter higher speciality? Thank you so much 🙏

[@SumanPaulDoc]

This is how every IMG is getting into training posts so certainly it's possible. You have to be in a registrar post for getting the competency signed. There are hundreds of Trusts in the UK and I only know a few of them. It depends on your personal circumstances if it will work for you or not.

[@dr.aghasaquibraza3053]

Hi How can we get it signed in India, the website mentions that the consultant must have worked in NHS within 5 years.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Either you find someone in India who satisfies the criteria or get it signed in the UK.

[@joshkdasan2517]

Sir , did you find a consultant like that in India ? The form says MRCP UK and having worked in UK within 5 years Also if people we know who are doing ST5+ training in UK , can we get them to sign the core competencies form ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

@@joshkdasan2517 I got it signed in the UK. It must be a consultant and not ST5 trainee to sign the form.

[@loaysoliman3066]

Hello Dr Suman, If I've completed MRCP and have MSc in Cardiology in my home country, would this be the best route to take, or should is it easier get CREST form signed and go for IMT first. I would also like to know what kind of jobs should I apply for to get the form signed if I don't have any NHS experience.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

doing CREST+ IMT is more assured way of career progression.Any acute medicine, A and E or medical specialty jobs are good for CREST form.

[@uvthewonder]

1. Hi sir. I am about to start my DNB Medicine in India. I want to do my HST in UK. Is it possible to maintain eportfolio during dnb general medicine in India.? Will that help to get the alternative core competency form signed off? Or the DNB logbook which we use in India will be of any help? 2. In case if I can't get the core competencies signed off in India, how long will it take to get it signed off in UK via a Non training job? 3. Is there anything I can do during my dnb course in India that will be helpful for HST application? Like doing presentations, posters, getting MRCP cleared etc.,, You are doing a great job sir. TIA!!!

[@hassenhussen8709]

Need an urgent reply from you Sir. I have MRCP part 1+2 I am planning to take PACES and go into HST in 2024 Through the Alternative Core competency form I have it signed from outside of UK by a consultant. I have 5+ yes of experience Is that enough? Or need an E-portofolio?? Thank you

[@SumanPaulDoc]

That's enough. No need for eportfolio

[@sahilbansal5738]

can you please tell about pros n cons of 2 plus 2 bapio mrcp programme? i was thinking of joining it.

[@sahilbansal5738]

can i contact you somehow doctor if possible? wanted some guidance

[@SumanPaulDoc]

There are some cons and getting alternative core competency form signed is one of them. Plz email me - [e-mail] for more details.

[@amoghavarshanrupatunga1914]

Sir What are the options/ways after MD Medicine in India to get into ST in fields like cardiology? Should we pursue 3 years IMT again ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

This has been discussed in other videos on this topic. IMT is not mandatory

[@amoghavarshanrupatunga1914]

@@SumanPaulDoc Yeah went through your videos Thank you Sir As you suggested as of now I'll not waste NEET PG rank and go with MD Medicine & try with MRCP Hope I'll get to meet you after 3 years

[@BOSE20990]

For surgical specialities is there a 2022 form for alternative core competency? Can we get it signed from India? What all difference will be there from medical specialities?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I can only find 2021 alternative form for surgery. New forms might be available as soon as the application window opens. The latest form wants declaration from the signatory consultant that they are aware of UK core surgical curriculum. If you can find an Indian consultant who can declare this in writing, then it can be signed from India. Surgical form is quite different from the medical form. Please download the form and study the requirements.

[@yogenadodariya617]

Hello sir How to maintain e-portfolio while we are in india ??

[@SumanPaulDoc]

For surgical specialties , you can purchase the portfolio.for medical specialties, NHS e portfolio will not be available.best is to keep paper copy of evidence.

[@arteestore]

Sir, how to purchase e-portfolio for surgery?

[@shuhaabshah131]

If some one is going to UK through MTI , can he get his crest and alternative competencies siged during that time only to directly go into speciality training. . Is crest even needed. Can we directly do alternate competencies to start super speciality training

[@SumanPaulDoc]

CREST is not required then.

[@monilshah5474]

Sir, if someone has done IMT training in india from accredited institution by JRCPTB ,do they need this alternative core competencies form to be filled?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No, they don't need alternative form

[@pixelated_scalpel6886]

can i apply for plastic surgery cct directrly from india. i have completed my 3 year MS and 1.5 years SRship in Plastic surgery

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No

[@sohelinamdar4937]

Hello Sir I want to know about how to bring my family(Parents) to UK on permanant basis after I join the NHS Thank you in advance

[@SumanPaulDoc]

One of the option is to bring them as your dependent on dependent visa. But this is a very difficult option for your parents as they have to relocate to a new country away from their friends.also it involves the hefty visa fees. More practical option is they can visit you through tourist visa.

[@amarnath2568]

Hello sir , firstly I would like to appreciate for your videos . Really you are doing great job . Since March 2023 I am working as a specialty doctor in AMU & SDEC . I’m planning to apply for higher specialty training group 1(cardio) & 2 ( Medical oncology). I have done MD INTERNAL MEDICINE from India with 4.5 years experience after my post graduation, completed MRCP (Uk ), pg diploma in diabetes and renal medicine (RCP) and fellowship in critical care medicine ( India). My consultant is happy to sign in the alternate core competency form . Could you please guide me further regarding JPRCTB approved multiple consultant report ,how to show proof of 500 acute medical consultations?,geriatrics and ITU - which I have done in India ? Could you please share your email id for further guidance? Thanks and regards .

[@SumanPaulDoc]

MCR form is available in the NHS eportfolio. please subscribe to it. you dont need proof for each medical consultation. Your Educational supervisor needs to certify this in your portfolio based on your rota. [e-mail]

[@amarnath2568]

Thank you so much sir for your reply.