Alternatives To The Windows 11 Start Menu

The Windows 11 start menu is very basic. So in this video I'm going to show you some alternatives that might be more useful for many people. Also, some people simply might not like the look of the Windows 11 start menu and might want to try something different. Now you can.
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[@davinp]

If you use the Windows 11 style menu in Start11, it gives the option to remove the recommendation section and arrange the pinned apps into a group. You cannot do this with the start menu that comes with Windows 11. It can also make the Start Menu transparent

[@SBDavin]

Cool name! Just saying.

[@CyberCPU]

Good to know.

[@boirfanman]

Aren't the folders that you can arrange pinned apps into, counting as groups for you? Like on an Android phone, I just drag one app onto another and it creates a group. Which I can then rename.

[@cartoonworld1000]

This is great to know, this was the only thing really stopping from updating to Windows 11. I hate that when I set the behaviour to show more apps than recommended, and I even empty the recommended section it still shows the empty section. It's such a waste of space.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@CyberCPUhave they fixed the bug where u need to install it again after every windows upate?

[@rajvanegmond]

I love the way how you explain Windows 11 topics without hate, but with optimistic criticism 😅🤣

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Yeah, speaking to actual 'users' who are non techie, they love the win 10/11 paradigm of search for everything.... Us power users can't stand it lol

[@CyberCPU]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@robotron1236]

The only thing I use windows for is testing malware...

[@MiguelDeMarchena]

The best Windows 11 tweak I've found is staying on Windows 10 and I am not the only one that think about this.

[@CyberCPU]

For now, that's what I recommend as well. However, lots of people use Windows 11 now and Windows 10 looses support in 2025.

[@xKhaozs]

Also I’m buying a notebook without drivers for windows 10 :(( sadly

[@MiguelDeMarchena]

@@xKhaozs what laptop?(brand and model)it is very rare that computer hardware factories make devices that support exclusively a single OS, probably the manufacturer of the laptop have drivers for windows 10 on its page

[@Denis7947.]

​@@xKhaozsyour drivers sould install automacly if its a network connection

[@98SE]

​@@CyberCPUWindows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 21H2 has support from Microsoft until 2032 and can be permanently HWID activated using MAS.

[@superbladder6983]

Love your channel, been working on computers since windows 3.11. very failure with dos prompts and commands here. I'm 60 years old and have no problems with learning new things you describe on your page. thanks for explaining everything the way you do.. GREAT JOB!

[@carlosalloatti5899]

Open-Shell is in active development, the latest version is 4.4.190 released today. You just have to go to the releases page and you will find it there. The version you installed is the latest non beta release from 2022. Also, Shift+Click brings up the original Windows menu, no need to click on the edge of the menu icon.

[@CyberCPU]

Good too know.

[@lexluthermiester]

Please note, 4.4.190 is a pre-release version. It's still more or less stable, but can have a few bugs or glitches.

[@BadCarbNoDonut]

Thanks for this!

[@fastwarriorx5762]

@@CyberCPU hello can u help please i have problem when i point on icons on desktop the details not showing like size or video time any fix for this thx

[@computerjantje]

windows would be out of my house if open-shell did not exist. It is the last resort to windows sanity :)

[@lars9925]

I LOVE StartAll Back. It has great Taskbar settings and it brings back Toolsbars to W11.

[@jasonpierce4518]

yea it just should be free like the shell version.

[@lindah6954]

Thank You. I didn't know about moving Start Menu to the left. Now both my laptops are set to the same.

[@bbo1779]

Great video. I used a Stardock product on my wife's Windows 8 laptop. It was so much nicer than the Windows 8 start menu.

[@UltraCenterHQ]

StartAllBack is pretty cool. It adds full dark mode to legacy stuff like the control panel. And it's smaller than Start11 (And you can put folders into the programs section unlike ExplorerPatcher)

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

Yeah is it before 22h2 or after.

[@markusTegelane]

The thing with StartAllBack to keep in mind is that it doesn't work with Stardock WindowBlinds. I tried it once and it just keeped crashing the explorer until I stopped either StartAllBack or WindowBlinds.

[@UltraCenterHQ]

@@markusTegelane They even said that they wouldn't give StartAllBack compatibility, because they're a competitor. Even though from what I remember, WindowBlinds and StartIsBack were compatible in Windows 10. Seems like a sabotage

[@markusTegelane]

@@UltraCenterHQ oh wow, I didn't know that don't think I'm going to be buying any software from them ever again, just because of that

[@Skiman__]

Does it make control panel dark mode for windows 10 too? Or is it only for 11?

[@werewolves_]

I always use Classic Shell. What I like especially about that and Open-shell is that it has a fair selection of skins and it actually ADDS a start menu next to (or over) the original one. (If it overlaps the original one you can use _Controls_ to add keybinds to choose which menu to open) On Windows 11 I use the Classic Shell menu to access my games; on the default one I access other apps (that aren't already pinned to the taskbar).

[@dk4kja8]

why would you use classic shell? it's extremely outdated

[@raincadeify]

@@dk4kja8 They already told you why..

[@dk4kja8]

Oh god i'm so stupid@@raincadeify

[@raincadeify]

@@dk4kja8 lol. Glad I could help.

[@FalconWing1813]

Have not swapped over to Win 11 yet but watching your videos to learn as much as I can! Thanks

[@tomn.8475]

Forgot how good Windows 7 was.

[@johngoard8272]

Nice video Rich I use Open Shell (yes my Windows 11 does support it and I have never had to get support for it) for my machines and it still has the Windows 11 menu as well plus Open Shell is free and I have the start button set as the old Windows7 orb . What I do is pin the the taskbar things that I use frequently ie : regedit, command prompt, Control panel, Notepad, snipping tool(old version) Settings Libre Office, calculator, disk clean, Powershell, etc etc this gives me a quick start to those apps although some like the command prompt still need a right click to admin rights. By the by Google Chrome 115 has just been released and it seems to me to be more intrusive than ever so I use the Brave browser which works on the Chrome principles . Anyway mate your channel is on of my go to channels so keep up the good work😀

[@paulwarner5395]

Thanx for the video. I've been using Open Shell for years in "Classic" mode. Free and works well..

[@Liberteen666]

Thank you. This was straight to the point and informative. Liked & subbed!

[@papusan...]

Thanks for the reviews of the different options. But have you tested if some of the alternatives have an drawback as for the Cpu and Gpu performance? I expect some of the programs will eat more clock cycles than others. Would be nice to know this as well. Thanks

[@MerckZ21]

Thanks for a great video. Explorer Patcher was exactly what I wanted.

[@ManorZvi]

Thank you for all the work you give us. Although I knew about the programs you mentioned, I continue with the original version of open shell, which is the Classic Shell version 4.3.1, which works without problems even in 11.

[@knightmarian]

Thank you so much!! Went to github, downloaded explorer patcher, did everything it said to do, BOOM, my taskbar is back! ❤❤❤

[@Hodenkat]

Though limited in some ways, I love StartAllBack! I have it on 3 Win11 computers I work on. The old context menus and file explorer changes alone are well worth the $5

[@roberttucker1527]

Appreciated more than you know. I only just now realized windows 7 was old and find myself utterly confused by windows 10 or 11. The start menu re-skin/modification helps immensely

[@roberttucker1527]

I'm trying to find out more about the telemetry aspect and how to curtail that

[@CyberCPU]

Glad it helped.

[@roberttucker1527]

@@CyberCPU very much

[@Ti-JAC]

Danke Schoen, I enjoyed the segment.

[@BadCarbNoDonut]

I like the look of Windows 98 SE and even XP (minus some of the cartoonish stuff), best. I have used Classic Shell since it came out. Love it.

[@ObakuZenCenter]

I already run Open Shell as a better start menu (and Explorer Patcher on my wife's Windows 11 system). So I'm mainly here because I loved the thumbnail. Timestamps would be helpful. Thanks for another great video.

[@LeeBv9983]

I installed OpenShell on a new Win11 PC but with problems. The settings fonts are so small I have to use the magnifier to read them no matter how I resize the window. Also, I CANNOT make the start menu dark no matter what I try.

[@ObakuZenCenter]

@@LeeBv9983 It may be your general font size settings, dependant on what you're running them at. For 1440p, we have font size generally set at 115 in custom scaling, under 'Advanced scaling' in Windows Settings. But it shows greyed out as 225% under 'change the size of text, apps and other items. ' We have Open Shell running on my wife's Windows 11 PC with these settings that you can try: Start Menu Style: Classic with two columns. Skin: Full glass. Default transparency. Large font. No icons in second column. Menu Look: Small icon size: 16 Large icon size: 32 Enable Menu Shadow. Enable Menu Glass. Opacity: 50% You can alter the icon size obviously, depending on your screen resolution.

[@LeeBv9983]

@@ObakuZenCenter Thanks! As for monitor, it was small but OK on Win10 with 1980x1200 monitor but new Win 11 is on a 4K 3840x2160 already set at 150% font. But, I'll try the rest of the settings. Thanks!

[@darknightmike10yearsago]

I dual-boot with Linux (Kubuntu specifically) and Windows 11, and I use StartAllBack on Windows 11. It's a great program. You can customize the start menu a bit by right-click settings options and adding different control panel settings to the start menu. So I can right-click display and have display show up on the start menu.

[@thisoldminer]

I had windows 8.1 for 10 years modified. Loved it.

[@CyberCPU]

Blasphemy!!!!

[@thisoldminer]

@@CyberCPU :D

[@MrRubikraft]

Explorer Patcher is so incredibly good! I'm amazed! That's exactly and precisely what I wanted, and it does sooo much more! Thanks!

[@spede1]

Windows 7 interface was my favorit with the Aero.

[@CyberCPU]

Did you see the video I did on that a month or so ago?

[@TheCynysterMind]

The Best Windows Start Menu by far was Windows 7... That is a hill I will die on. As a Network and System Admin I configure all the start menus the same so that all the employees have the same desktop experience. All The Software is uniform and where and how to launch them is uniform. Windows 7 Allows you to create "Folders" to group similar applications If you are limited in how you can structure your startmenu you have defeated the purpose of an application launcher. If you make the Start menu difficult to manage or require that you type the name of the application you want.... most people will just drop a shortcut on the desktop.

[@dockeydidit]

Preach it! What's the point of having icon "shortcuts" on your start menu when you can put them on your desktop. I keep a shortcut on my desktop to C:/...Start Menu and C:/... User Start Menu so I can manipulate or combine what is in the start menu. I also created a new folder in the User/Start Menu so I can put shortcuts to documents or programs I need to access all the time. "C:\Users\Name\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu" and "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu". I really hate 11 menus!

[@XxTWMLxX]

9:54 the 11 style is because you can install this on more then just windows 11. So if you wanted to to look like 11 for example (as you mentioned too). It's possible. Or if you just want a few of stardocks tweaks but keep 11 style.

[@CyberCPU]

Yeah, that's what I figured.

[@Fixing_Everything.]

I have been using classic shell for many years and have it on my win 11.... I use it as my system looks like windows 7 and it is the best. thanks for the video.

[@25whitebull]

Thanks.Your tutorial is very useful.

[@CyberCPU]

Glad it helped.

[@aaronbeaty3980]

It took 3 OEM keys to get Win11 Home to move to Pro. Not my first rodeo. I'm an old-school MCSE. The good news is that your discount did work and my son's PC went from home to pro.

[@microsoftsarker]

this video is going to be very very helpful

[@flipperfgb]

I paid for Open shell about 10 years ago. I love it

[@CyberCPU]

Do you mean you donated? I don't believe they have a way to pay for it.

[@MrFoxRox]

I have been using StartisBack/StartAllBack for years and love it. I think it is the best overall. The fact that it makes the GUI closer to Windows 7 is the thing I like most.

[@reactions5783]

Windows 7 is still the best-looking UI, for me. Glad there's a way to get close to that in 11.

[@HeadBassVTEC]

did not know the classic-shell is no longer being developed and had the source code released and picked up by opene-shell so thx for the tip, not that I see many changes but always nice to have something actively developed rather then something 5 years old even though it worked perfectly on win10

[@garymoores9248]

Love the videos, Rich. Any chance of incorporating timestamps/chapters in videos, when quick-reviewing various programs? on the back of watching this i went and bought Start11 and StartAllBack. Start11, for me, has the edge over StartAllBack..slightly more polished

[@CyberCPU]

I've done it in the past. It takes a long time to do so I don't often do it.

[@PidroBondar]

For anyone using open shell in windows 11 i suggest using retrobar aswell, to avoid the double start menu thing

[@CyberCPU]

Explorer patcher will also help avoid that.

[@COOTJENZ]

Since the August '23 release openshell replaces the startbutton again ...

[@DixonMarshall]

In Start11, I found the Windows 11 style the most useful! I customized my icons into custom labeled categories and turned off the "Recommended" category. You can also combine apps into folders, like in Android, but I don't use that feature. I tried some of the other start menu apps, and none of them were as stable or as useful as Start11 has been for me.

[@Aryka69]

Start eleven is awesome especially if you want your taskbar at top and the different styles of Windows 11 start menus are great and the transparency effects are nice. It's totally worth the price.

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

Thanks for the tips

[@kodemasterx]

I've been using Startisback since 2014, I hated Win 8 UI but the performance was great so I found a workaround an stuck with it, I can't believe its been nearly 10 years WOW

[@juanroldan4379]

Very nice! I always come to your videos for your great ideas. I always have to change things on my wife's computer because she's particular and likes to keep using what she's familiar with. These help. Thanks!

[@markstevens6406]

That would be sweet!

[@billyguthrie3176]

Openshell works great on my win 10. My only issue with open shell is they didn't concentrate on making a consistent UI so explorer, context an other menu's don't match the basic shape of the start menu you choose. also mad at Microsoft for that too because we should have a consistent dark them through out the os an the option to round the corners of all menus is the user so desires!

[@johnpedersen8387]

Nice Video Rich. 🙂 When i first installed Windows 11 2 years ago I used StartAllBack for a month. I hated (and still do) the context menu and other things about the way to operate Windows 11. Registry hacks came later and I only had the program for the test period. When 22H2 was released I made a clean install of Windows 11. I installed Explorer Patcher at that time. I have one problem with it during that time after a Windows update, and I had to roll back to a point the system worked. The next day an update to Explorer Patcher was released a Github and I installed it again. I have not since spring have had problems with it. My Windows 11 is striped out a lot. I've used ThisIsWin11 to strip it and have used "One tool for everything" to remove Edge from Windows. Only Windows Security is in the system. I don't know if thats the reason for that Explorer Patcher is working so well?? Please continue the good job making the videoes 🙂

[@CyberCPU]

Not sure about what triggers the explorer patcher bug. Some people just don't experience it but a lot of people do. Personally I think it's one of the best mods for Windows 11. It will allow you to use the Windows 10 or 11 start menu as well as the Windows 10 or 11 taskbar. Absolutely amazing program. I just wish they would get that bug fixed that so many people are experiencing. That's the only reason I don't recommend it for everyone. I only recommend it for advanced users.

[@jerrygonzalez923]

Great video, no Windows 8 full screen menu as you can do in Windows 10 for an option?

[@TheForce_Productions]

Any recommendations to replace and improve the original Windows 10 start menu for anything some more handy and fancy?

[@CyberCPU]

All these start menus work in Windows 10 as well.

[@TheForce_Productions]

@@CyberCPU Thank you Rich!

[@mikecawood]

I've been using Open Shell for years and I swear by it.

[@vahpr]

I like Open Shell, hope it works well on the new Win11 laptop arriving today.

[@gmcubed]

do any of these let you decouple the start button from the rest of the buttons on the taskbar? As in, have the start button on the far left, but every else in the center? I was able to do this in windows 10, not many even realize this was possible, I certainly didn't for the longest time, but now I miss being able to.

[@LeftyPencil]

StartAllBack can do this from its settings>Taskbar> Centered task icons

[@TheFu3lman]

BIG feature in Start11 that practically makes it a must-have: seamless Everything search integration. Replaces Windows Search with Everything as long as you have it installed on your system and can be used by hitting the Windows key and typing. I want to think that StartAllBack has/had this feature, but my experiences with it were buggy, and required you to focus the search, and wasn't implemented anywhere near as cleanly as Start11.

[@badaimbad]

Have jused start11 long time!! Great program

[@AlphanPeter]

I use start menu from stardock it’s working great and they have other great programs too

[@georgebetrian676]

2 months after this video has made, I have a very good opinion on Explorer Patcher. Bugs have been fixed, and also allows you to put the task bar in vertical position. I love it. Very smooth. Live titles, grouping titles, make folders, all works.

[@darkidk341]

This aged poorly (Explorer Patcher is now broken in the newer versions of Windows 11)

[@georgebetrian676]

@@darkidk341 It works well in my W11 that is up to date. What problems did you see?

[@darkidk341]

@@georgebetrian676 nvm i realised that it isn't *yet* but it will probably break later because microsoft is erasing the Windows 10 taskbar/start menu code from 11 and explorer patcher uses registry hacks to bring them back so it uses that left out code instead of replicating the start menu/taskbar

[@georgebetrian676]

@@darkidk341 Thanks for the notice. I hope that removal will come not in a monthly release but in a new version so I can skip it. I will update the image stored of my windows, in case that chage happens suddenly

[@cyricm2000]

Start 11 is best alternatives is best, it gave me back the old win 7 menu

[@Shnick]

I like using Open Shell because you can export a settings file to transfer to other computers so they’re all set up the same.

[@Rood67]

Start11 having the Windows 11 as one of the plethora of options. It is about changing the grouping and texture that you demo’d plus all the other settings.

[@DarkDarcek]

Love your Tshirt 🤩🤩

[@robertbodnar8745]

I have W10. with taskbar verticaly on left (as ubuntu), start menu is cleaned from all the "tiles", so looks as win7 menu... it`s very handy setup. but! I love the windows 11 start menu!!!! can't get it due to hardware limitations... But! Now i know that "Start 11" can bring me that! ThankY!

[@LeeBv9983]

Really useful.

[@CyberCPU]

Glad it helps.

[@HomeBudgetComputing]

Do you know of any ways to get the toolbars back on the task bar? I always have a couple toolbars added to the taskbar, but Windows 11 removed them on purpose.

[@CyberCPU]

Explorer patcher.

[@anthonylenzo3675]

At 3:31 actually you forgot to mention the 2 horizontal dots on the right of the Start Menu window. When click on them will show you more apps that one pins to the Start Menu

[@ryanhampshire7042]

Believe startx and startallback also allow you to add folder folders as popups from the menu itself just as prior versions of windows if you hide the file names and squish the section to the left of the notifications menu. As for start menu replacement I prefer startmenu-x or the dropdown menu from objectdock.

[@mikecawood]

Open Shell is still being updated and I haven't had any problems with Windows 11 Pro. The version I am using is 4.4.189.

[@Cmrdata]

OpenShell does have a newer beta version… I think it ends in.189… it makes the start button play much nicer with windows 11, though still not quite perfect, but much closer!

[@CyberCPU]

A few other people have mentioned that. I may have to look into it further.

[@xskullbrain5608]

I did use a Windows 7 PC for awhile. When I saw Windows 8 on someone else’s PC, I thought to myself, “No thanks. I stay with Windows 7 for now. “. After some time, I bought a Windows 10 PC, and used it for awhile. Now, I have a new Windows 11 Pro PC. Even though I never used Windows 8, I can understand why you don’t like it all. Thanks for all the info about the Windows 11 start menu alternatives.

[@jackhack101]

With start all back, you can set the windows and search ect buttons to be on the left, while your tasks and programs stay in the middle

[@LarcR]

I started using Classic Shell with Windows 8 and have stuck with it and Open-Shell through successive Windows versions. I haven't found anything else even remotely as customizable, including the ability to use a utility such as Resource Hacker to customize skins.

[@rayjennings3637]

I used the paid for Start10 and now use Start11. It's great, with many different options.

[@photondoh5384]

StartAllBack best start menu hands down.

[@Dipto9]

im using start all back and its working good

[@muttBunch]

I actually adapted to the default Windows 11 start menu and kind of like it now.

[@fpdomain]

we need the Classic theme back.... all my time fav.

[@aaronp74]

I have been using and still love the quick launch task bar, but cant find a way to get it back in windows 11

[@WildFyr]

The start 11 start icon change would be cool if they let you change it when centered instead of forcing left aligned.

[@Dom_Mason]

Love your content you deserve more sub's! Plus, you give me ideas of my newest shirt to wear around the office.

[@mokokawi]

I use to use classic shell...so i think ill try the newest beta of open shell ...and as you said,try and support th open source

[@BerraLJ]

Would still be happy to run Windows Vista :) but for now i run Win 10 with some vista and 2008R2 in vmware. Fences from Stardock is quite nice.

[@popcapk5536]

imo the best one by far is explorer patcher bc it does not run in the background, doesnt keep the old start menu and you can tell its not just an overlay. as far as i can tell, its just a gui to change windows registry values

[@Mamoonabm]

These are all good alternatives tbh

[@CyberCPU]

Except for that weird Windows 8 one. 🤣😂

[@acubley]

Is the taskbar still stuck at the bottom or can we now move it to the left like I've been doing for 22 years?

[@ardithconley2628]

Starting with start 8 I have used the Stardoc program and am using the start 10 and if I go to windows 11 I will use start 11 great program and is cheap and easier than the free program out their. It just worked.

[@HybridDivide]

How much do these start menu alternatives affect system performance? I hate the idea of having redundant processes going, ya know? Thanks for the great video.

[@steeviebops]

I can't say for certain but I'd imagine that ExplorerPatcher would be the lightest, considering that it just enables the Windows 10 Start that's still in the Windows 11 code, just disabled.

[@SeanLamb-I-Am]

But with OpenShell, given that it doesn't actually replace the Windows 11 start menu but overlaps its own on top, what happens when you use the keyboard shortcuts to open the start menu (either the Windows key or the Ctrl-Esc combination)?

[@CyberCPU]

I don't know. I didn't test that. I should have.

[@carlosalloatti5899]

The OpenShell menu pops up with both shortcuts. Shift + Win key displays the original Windows Menu

[@Learnbynet]

can you show how rem all apple design, it the only thing why am still on win10, am a square guy and need reduce border radius from 50% to maybe 4%

[@TheMegatron673]

i love classic shell and i still use it on windows 10. 😁

[@riscy00]

I use address box in Taskbar from window 10 as text place holder, very useful. Which one support address box and dont. Start 11 don't have this but Explorer patcher do. What about the rest?. Is there app that add feature to Taskbar?

[@cheze_bun]

I love 8.1 because it can run really fast on older 2gb machines but also you can tweak it to be you’re own however I use classic shell and other start menu programs to change the start menu as we all hate it 😂

[@PitFighter2007]

Are there any full windows shell replacements out there that work with win11?...Remember the days of Litestep?

[@TheMoukis]

If only we could have a Whisker Menu from Xfce for Windows. That would be dope.

[@Someone086]

Can you make a video on how to get Hello Face if It says that it doesn’t find a compatible cámara/Fingerprint scanner

[@errolives8724]

Nice job, but it would have been nice if you included the URL's for the programs.

[@ruudygh]

which of them allow vertical taskbar on the side?

[@idan678]

i know that classic shell was hacked at 2016 and hacker put malware inside the installer, does open shell safer?

[@CyberCPU]

It's open source. Classic Shell was a closed source program. I highly doubt Open Shell will ever have malware in it.

[@TheCgOrion]

I have an older version of Classicshell working perfectly on 11. The 11 button is not there, and I have the right click behavior on the start button the way I want it. I'm thinking about getting Start11 V2, for other people in the house. I'm interested in trying it for myself as well.

[@kornshadow097]

Aren't all these editor programs just a cluster of images and they replace the current image via a name change? I used to do that on mobile phones to customize things.

[@StylizerGaming2.0]

@CyberCPU windows update service missing from pc in windows 10 and i try 1 method download reg file and install then restart pc it shows but after next restart update service missing again is there any way to get update service without formatting pc ?

[@inspiredbubbles0304]

So far seems win 11 only removed functional aspects of win 10. Is there anything that was actually improved??

[@nanotechnicianhq]

Using alternative start menus made my recent update to Windows 11 unusable, and now my OG Start menu doesn't work :/