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Always Pan Pro Review Update: Honest Mistakes, Trust, and the Problem With Modern Product Marketing

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@TheAkelly312
@TheAkelly312 Ай бұрын
Just found your channel from a reddit comment after I was about to buy a Black Friday deal on the Our Place pans. Genuinely, thank you! Consider me a new super fan, heading to the site now to bookmark it!
@amy9910
@amy9910 Ай бұрын
same!
@elizabethjacobson4484
@elizabethjacobson4484 27 күн бұрын
same
@Lelolaislife
@Lelolaislife 27 күн бұрын
Same!!!
@GothBoyUK
@GothBoyUK 24 күн бұрын
Yup, same. The pans are being very heavily marketed on KZbin here.
@saber1982
@saber1982 18 күн бұрын
Same!
@heritagesteel
@heritagesteel 4 ай бұрын
This is super cool. So many times you come across all types of marketing messages that are in the realm of "technically true but practically irrelevant". It also creates bad incentives overall because then other brands will feel the need to follow suit with the same types of claims, otherwise they might be seen as deficient. While this all may be "tilting at windmills" as you say, these would all be welcome changes!
@smol-honk
@smol-honk Ай бұрын
This video saved me from losing a ton of money, thank you!
@5dstrix
@5dstrix 4 ай бұрын
Somehow even though I'm really into foodtube I just discovered this channel, love your content and I'm going through your back catalog now. Hope to see this channel grow, great content guys, keep it up!
@YMESYDT
@YMESYDT 4 ай бұрын
I bought the Ninja Foodi nonstick on your recommendation and I feel like I got 10x the pan for a fraction of the money, never would’ve considered it otherwise. I do enjoy these marketing videos though as a small business owner I hope you expand on these
@benjaminallen6901
@benjaminallen6901 4 ай бұрын
Same here. Got the full set of pots and pans from Costco on sale before they stopped selling them and was so glad I did to replace the Kirkland brand non-stick set my wife and I got in our first apartment together. One of the best purchases I’ve made. Have had the set almost 2 years now and it still performs nearly as well as it did the first day I brought it home.
@CardboardKitchen
@CardboardKitchen 4 ай бұрын
I also picked this up based on the recommendation, but I must have got a lemon because it was disappointing compared to a restaurant supply non-stick that was my previous pan. Mine is raised in the centre so it is frustrating that everything slides to the outside edge when cooking
@benjaminallen6901
@benjaminallen6901 4 ай бұрын
@@CardboardKitchen Have you tried reaching out to Ninja customer service? They’re generally pretty good about their warranties for replacing items. Hoping they can get you a good replacement!
@vito1785
@vito1785 4 ай бұрын
The claim that gets me is "It’s the first-ever nonstick technology that’s coating-free" Anyone with eyes can see this pan has a coating. Are they seriously trying to claim that the nonstick properties of this pan are 100% because of their so called Lotus effect pattern, and having nothing to do with the coating? If that is the case, what is the point of the coating?
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
They're arguing that since the coating naturally forms via thermal treatment and isn't "sprayed or treated", it's not a coating... (I agree with you)
@Grant_lach
@Grant_lach 4 ай бұрын
Love the lore!!! So cool to learn more about your background!!!
@elizabethconvey3242
@elizabethconvey3242 22 күн бұрын
New sub ... it's a pity I didn't see your videos before buying 2 of these pans - one for me and one as a Christmas present for my daughter. The conundrum now is, do I return them and if I do, what do I get as a replacement (my daughter specifically asked for a good non-stick frying pan)??? I think your idea about assessing the marketing claims as part of an overall product review is great.
@DownUnderTechReview
@DownUnderTechReview 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for your review of this product and follow-up video, I prefer reviewers to be sceptical and critical than just saying every product is good, with that said I think you have erred in how you have characterised a couple of responses from the company rep. Customer feedback being characterised as "unqualified study participants" regarding the spatula cutout (which I personally think is stupid too). The cutout is mostly a matter of taste and while this feedback and design choice may be divisive or even turn off a lot of customers there is nothing wrong with creating a product to meet the desires of a niche. What does seem unforgivable about the cutout though is that there is no reason not to have extended the rim to actually cover the cutout hole, that is simply a design flaw. Characterising the explanation of the coating as semantics seems a bit of semantics on your part more than theirs. A dictionary definition of coating means that basically every pan in existence has a coating, pure steel pans still form a tiny steel oxide layer when heated to high temperatures, an steel pan with an aluminium core even without the oxide technically has a steel coating as the inner/top layer will be a thinner layer. Titanium will form a titanium oxide layer when exposed to air, heat treating/curing it will increase the amount of titanium oxide that is formed. Therefore I think their point about not applying a coating by saying the product is coating free is largely accurate as when people are talking about coatings on cookware they are talking about a thin layer that is intentionally bonded to the outside, not simply oxidisation. You are 100% on the hardness, she completely ignored what you said in her response which was that people buying cookware don't care about deformation from something pressing on it (they do care about deformation from heat) so hardness is certainly misleading as they know the customer is reading that and thinking scratch resistant.
@cultflav
@cultflav 25 күн бұрын
This is great feedback! Really appreciate the detail, though I think I still stand by my statements in general. But I'd love to explain a little more than that tiny key allowed for. re: "unqualified study participants", I don't think relying on customer feedback from their audience - who I believe are generally not people with a lot of cooking experience - should be relied upon without significant consideration. This is something we have to manage in tech all the time. People without enough information will ask for things constantly without considering the ramifications. I also don't think that brands should be able to hide behind that feedback when valid criticism arises. To your initial point on characterization, I don't think the phrasing was ideal though, and on that point, I do agree I could've done better. The battle of semantics around "coating" is an annoying one because really any argument on it is going to be inherently pedantic. I do, however, think the burden of proof is on them and while yes, most pans will form oxide layers, I think this is an outlier case where they're relying on a thick, visibly-removable substance for the main sales prop of the product and I would still consider that a coating compared to, for example, the titanium oxide layer formed naturally on the rest of the inner surface or the chromium oxide on the outside surface. I definitely concede that there's a balance to be struck here though. Again, appreciate the thoughtful feedback! Doubly so in a KZbin comment where that is very much not the norm 😅
@matija1027
@matija1027 27 күн бұрын
Good reviews! You should do a review on hard nitrided cast iron skillets. I’m starting to see more of these on the market, and am not sure if this is a coating, or whether it’s safe, etc
@lydiadodsworth4888
@lydiadodsworth4888 19 күн бұрын
Yes please specifically the Le Creuset Cast Iron Signature Shallow Casserole.. I can’t figure if the coating/ adhesion is toxic and don’t want to waste my £!!
@matija1027
@matija1027 4 күн бұрын
I believe Le Creuset makes enamel coated cast iron. This is different from hard nitriding the cast iron.
@JRs-Garage
@JRs-Garage Ай бұрын
Thanks for the info , I was about to buy a my place pan , now I’m not 😂 I’ll just stick to my old salad master stainless steel until I hear a better option from your testing!
@thedirtprincess3293
@thedirtprincess3293 24 күн бұрын
I really appreciate your review. I need a new pan,dont want to go with teflon or any other nonstick "coating" ( Im suspicious of the nonstick pans that appear to be "made of solid nonstick stuff" because I dont understand it and therefore cannot assess its potential harmful effects) and was looking hard at this. The only thing that held me back was the ads. They just seemed a little too many and to much like an infomercial. Plus,the two most important words in tne English language are 'dishwasher safe'. I almost fell for this and bought this pan. You saved me $150 and a lot of anger and cursing. New sub and much apreciation.
@jeszod
@jeszod 4 ай бұрын
The product design background makes soooo much sense (am also a product designer 👋). This was a great update!
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
I'm SO curious about what this means 😅
@kev3060
@kev3060 28 күн бұрын
Hey! Also found your video through Reddit. I wanted to thank you - its hard to admit when you miss a fact on the internet, and I have an enormous amount of respect for those who do. Its something I've struggled to work on in my own life, so I'm well aware of how tough it is. This whole thing is so frustrating, because its SO close to being so good. I'm looking into replacing my cookware, and I've settled on getting a CS frying pan and SS pots, but the saute pan (which happens to be my favorite piece) is the one I'm really struggling with. I'm sloppy when I cook, and I worry that SS will be a huge headache for me to use and clean in practice. But, CS and CI options obviously make no sense for how I'd use a saute pan (which often involves simmering acidic foods). Enameled options are too heavy to be really usable, and are also probably too fragile to really last. Non stick is toxic, and this is probably the worse use for that kind of material. Similar issues exist for basically every other material out there. I was really hoping that this would be the sweet spot, where is less sticky than SS but still durable and non toxic (I don't need a perfect non stick - I just need it not to be a total nightmare when I don't totally nail the pre heating process and the timing with the food). But, I think how easily the coating scratches off, plus the price, really ends up making this a deal breaker for me. I'm hoping that one day, the right solution for me will emerge...until then, I guess its SS (or something fragile that I'll have to replace on occasion), and I will avoid it as much as humanly possible. :(
@lordcharfield
@lordcharfield 23 күн бұрын
Thank you so much. I came here to do a double check before I parted with £122 on their Black Friday offer (normally £175!) - I’ve subscribed 🙏
@nice1fam
@nice1fam 4 ай бұрын
I love the idea of the community website, it's near impossible to trust reviews now as people generally trust the marketing and don't have the experience to know otherwise and inform potential buyers. With that said, is the Hestan's NanoBond pan still holding up? It sounds like it is the only decent option at the moment.
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
It is! But it's very much a luxury item... Goldilocks is making decent stuff at a pretty good price. Heritage Steel's Eater line too.
@Yazeed99
@Yazeed99 4 ай бұрын
I'm a hestan stan (ha) but there are cheaper options - what you get with Hestan is luxurious conveniences, not necessary performance improvements. I love the finish on nanobond, the silvinox finish on the demeyere pans are comparable in terms of long term stain resistance but I hated the *thick* exposed rims, which stain very easily. Also take a look at D3 Curated or Collective from all clad, they fix most issues with the regular D3. Then there's Goldilocks like Bryn mentioned which is amazing for the price, and Misen is a bit more expensive but they have sealed rims.
@CWK09
@CWK09 14 күн бұрын
What pan would you recommend the most?
@mer476
@mer476 4 ай бұрын
Good information. Do you plan on doing a comprehensive Hexclad review?
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
There's one up on TikTok, but that was before we were on KZbin. We'll see if it makes sense to do an update here!
@kevindavidson3353
@kevindavidson3353 Ай бұрын
Thanks a ton. Insightful for sure. Ok, so I bought the always titanium pro pan as an impulse buy scrolling Instagram way too late at night. Haven’t used it yet and will promptly return it based on this. However, can you please recommend (since you have tested many) your “one pan” for every day use? Thanks a ton!
@cultflav
@cultflav Ай бұрын
There are no silver bullets per se, but my go to is a 3ish qt stainless sauté. Goldilocks, Misen, Heritage Steel's Eater Series, Demeyere Industry 5/5-Plus are all good options at diff price points.
@kevindavidson3353
@kevindavidson3353 25 күн бұрын
@@cultflav wow! totally didn't expect a response - thanks a ton! i'll check these out!
@lydiadodsworth4888
@lydiadodsworth4888 19 күн бұрын
Do you worry about nickel and chromium leaching with acidic based sauces? Or is this not something we should consider in your opinion? Thanks!
@cultflav
@cultflav 19 күн бұрын
I do not because the study indicated that it took extreme circumstances to reach the daily intake limits.
@Kevern70
@Kevern70 2 ай бұрын
Still PG-13. Only one F bomb. Bought the Heston set, the whole darn thing, off your links. Great set. 10/10.
@HendersonHinchfinch
@HendersonHinchfinch 4 ай бұрын
Perfect timing! Just watched your review of this pan last night.
@r.s.10
@r.s.10 23 күн бұрын
I recently got this pan since I refuse to buy any type of non-stick or "ceramic" coating (including Our Place's other pans) and have overall been really impressed with its non-stick qualities. I think your review is, ironically, kinda misleading on what their "coating" is and why that's a gamechanger for someone like me. You seem to understand the science here, that the black "coating" is just oxidized titanium and therefore just as safe as any cast iron pan that scratches, but I don't think the layperson would understand that from your video and will worry the 'black stuff' you're scraping off could be as dangerous as chemical non-stick coatings scraping off into your food (which of course is not the case). And with that in mind, its nonstick qualities are pretty impressive when you use a bit of oil as instructed (similar to using oil on a cast iron pan with a nice patina), and it's WAAAAAY better than any stainless-steel pan in terms of non-stick and ease of clean up. Since I don't use any pans with chemical coatings, this pan is a game-changer for me, and I would imagine that people like me are the target audience here, because why would you buy a more expensive pan unless you cared about avoiding those coatings? For people like me who care about that, it's a pretty freaking cool innovation. Being able to throw it in the oven and dishwasher are just added bonuses. I do appreciate your video for alerting me to the oxidized titanium potentially scratching off which is important to know; looks like you could risk damaging the pan by flipping bacon with a fork, so certainly not "indestructible" and you're right to call them out over that, but overall that is a small thing to be conscious of and avoid compared to the huge benefit of being able to use metal spatulas and other metal utensils with it which you of course could never use with chemical non-stick pans. Also, my pan doesn't have the same sloppy finish issues that yours had with the hexagons, and while I agree that the inability to totally close the vent without the handle seems like an obvious design flaw, it hasn't created any issues for me thus far. So anyways, I personally have really enjoyed mine and would definitely recommend it for anybody else looking for an alternative to chemical non-stick coated pans.
@chosun1
@chosun1 23 күн бұрын
Agree 100%. While people are may not be smart enough to see through marketing fluff, they are also not smart understand the relevance of this review. What should really matter is if the surface is indeed 100% titanium and if it actually has good non-stick properties. No one at home is cooking at 1000F nor are they going to be trying to poke at the pan with an ice pick. Even if some of the oxidized surface gets scratched off, it's not harmful to ingest. Most people use a spatula. None of the highlighted issues really affect the performance of the pan for everyday use.
@cultflav
@cultflav 23 күн бұрын
@chosun1 the nonstick layer that they call “indestructible” comes off with a basic fork and is exactly as harmful as consuming an equivalent amount of PTFE which is not bioavailable and is one of the most chemically inert substances in finished products.
@anotherjaunt2492
@anotherjaunt2492 4 ай бұрын
this was cool, I've always wondered what the deal was with figmas marketing, as it did seem different.
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it got noticed! A lot has changed since I left, but I'm really glad that part has stuck around in some form...
@ivaneft
@ivaneft Ай бұрын
Bottom line, is the whole top surface made of titanium? Event the silver/polished looking pattern?
@cultflav
@cultflav Ай бұрын
Yes. The silver part just isn't oxidized.
@bluesy1234
@bluesy1234 26 күн бұрын
So the sellers say that the raised polished edges and the darker inner areas are both titanium. The darker inner areas of the pattern are described as "oxidized" titanium. Hard to believe that oxidized titanium could be just scraped off with a fork. Somethings not right here.
@cultflav
@cultflav 26 күн бұрын
P sure it's just brittle due to hardness. This is the problem with the test they're using. A fork would struggle more to indent directly, but it's easy to scrape off.
@defyingentropy41
@defyingentropy41 15 күн бұрын
Sometimes it's good to keep things simple. That being said, does it do what you need it to do, for me I love the idea of the excessive heat management, not that I would use it beyond 550 degree's, but I don't have to worry about warping or excessive overheating and there is a lifetime warranty. Everything else that the "Hybrid pans" do is a bonus, seems like the future. Personally I don't want any risk of Teflon exposure "HexClad", I'm sure I've been poisoned with that crap for decades. I have 1 ceramic fry pan, 2 All-clad SS, 1 Calphalon,. I have gotten rid of all but 1, 12" Teflon pan "The Calphalon". The always pan is by no means perfect but the Titanium Hybrid Pan covers every need to me.
@cultflav
@cultflav 15 күн бұрын
To be clear, that heat limit has nothing to do with warping. It has the same ability to warp as any other clad cookware.
@defyingentropy41
@defyingentropy41 15 күн бұрын
@@cultflav So you're saying all metals regardless of their type or composition can handle the same amount of extreme temps? Aluminum, Stainless steel, Titanium..
@cultflav
@cultflav 15 күн бұрын
@defyingentropy41 no. I'm saying that the thin layer of titanium is not going to make a huge difference under the conditions that cause warping.
@steffenkautz1460
@steffenkautz1460 24 күн бұрын
You're an inspiration to any designer, thank you.
@davidfarris2359
@davidfarris2359 29 күн бұрын
I don't get it: Our Place says the pan has no coating but you show the coating being scraped off. Are they lying about their titanium pan?
@cultflav
@cultflav 29 күн бұрын
They're being pedantic. They say because that oxidation comes from the titanium reacting with the air in an oven, it's not a "coating".
@bethford6884
@bethford6884 28 күн бұрын
You saved me from wasting money on the Always Pan Pro. Seeing that it's just a sprayed on coating that even a fork can take off sure isn't how this pan is marketed at all.
@cultflav
@cultflav 28 күн бұрын
It is not sprayed on. It is part of the surface that has reacted with oxygen at very high heat to form titanium oxide. It's just that this oxide layer is easily scratched off.
@jamesivan2877
@jamesivan2877 28 күн бұрын
Great reviews & explanations!
@IcedFriction
@IcedFriction 4 ай бұрын
Great review as currently im on my travels down a rabbit hole looking for a pan best suited for searing meat and scrambled eggs, i guess my journey hasn't finished 🤣 To add insult to injury... IMO Shiza's comments are not hers 🤷‍♂🤦‍♂
@jasonwrites9186
@jasonwrites9186 27 күн бұрын
Oh wow...that fork demonstration is pretty concerning. Doesn't their marketing state you can use metal cooking utensils with the pan? And if so...based on your example, wouldn't a metal utensil just scrap off little bits of that black layer onto your food?
@Lelolaislife
@Lelolaislife 27 күн бұрын
Found you on reddit as well
@mikolaykuka9759
@mikolaykuka9759 16 күн бұрын
Such bold advert statements made me watch independent reviews and finally off buying it. Don't like to be cheated
@tubulartuber
@tubulartuber 4 ай бұрын
your videos are great but the usability of your site could use a lot of improvement
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
Yeah there's a significant "art project to not get depressed building boring stuff at work" component that I need to work through. What are you running into?
@bearlyhere19
@bearlyhere19 4 ай бұрын
​@@cultflav The favorites tab needs to be wayyyy more visible than just in the menu off to the side, I wrote a whole suggestion detailing it pretty much exactly before finding it. Also, a link within each review for the video equivalent would be great be it tiktok or youtube. Great work tho, I really enjoy the reviews!
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
@bearlyhere19 good news! Both of those are coming! The way the faves page loads prevents it from being on the homepage rn til I can figure out a pagination strategy (it used to be but slowed down loading a lot) that doesn't feel bad, but the homepage is going to be more community chat/forum-ish and then I want to put in little fav modules interspersed with that content.
@Yazeed99
@Yazeed99 4 ай бұрын
@@cultflav If I may chime in since we're talking about the favorites page, when I click on a specific category like "favorite skillets" it'd be cool to be able to sort (newest/oldest, highest/lowest, most popular [e.g. most # of reviews?], etc.) Also the sizing might be too big for a list, each item takes up too thirds of a page
@cultflav
@cultflav 4 ай бұрын
@Yazeed99 totally agree! Those components are from last year when this was a CMS-backed blog. Not at the top of my priority list yet, but def on there!
@eyespy3001
@eyespy3001 4 ай бұрын
I know this apropos to nothing that this video is truly about (deceptive advertising), but I will never understand why people bother with these absurdly expensive cookware brands. They think that all this “technology” will help them cook like cooks in a professional kitchen, yet they fail to realize that the cookware used in these kitchens cost $20 and come from Restaurant Depot. In the end, all they really want is a show off piece to display in their home. It’s just expensive decorative status symbols, bought mostly by people who order UberEats when they’re not eating out at restaurants.
@jkbcook
@jkbcook 4 ай бұрын
Serious home cooks would not purchase this pan. Their target market is inexperienced cooks who have money and think they are investing in a cool pan. With some time and energy, learn how to use carbon steel, cast iron and stainless steel and lose fear of using fat to cook. You will have pans that will list your lifetime without destroying the environment with something that just won’t last….IMO😊
@eyespy3001
@eyespy3001 4 ай бұрын
Agreed
@opensprit
@opensprit 23 күн бұрын
Wait. Half the time he's talking about Hexclad and half the time he's talking about Always Pan. And he makes it sound like it's all one review. Talk about misleading 2.5 out of ten.
@cultflav
@cultflav 23 күн бұрын
What are you talking about? I gave an example of the new rating system using HexClad. I also used two other brands to illustrate how it works. Not that complex.
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