Am I a Contrarian?

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[@qzbnyv]

Cosmonaut is such a contrarian that when people tell him he’s a contrarian he makes a dedicated video attempting to prove the contrary.

[@aarongutierrez7705]

LOL

[@annamiau8116]

got him

[@kingbear4085]

Yupppp

[@ahmedfaiyazazad8415]

Specially giving spiderman 3 4/10 and then giving venom 2 5.5/10

[@ghosttoast4045]

@@ahmedfaiyazazad8415 he did state that as a ironic comedy it’s a 10/10 for him so mythbusted

[@ReelRejects]

I fucking loved this video. PLEASE do more highlights from your streams. Shit was hilarious! And appreciate the additional editing you did for it instead of just only clipping it out

[@milzz8844]

Never thought I'd see you here

[@ChopJr_]

The 🐐’s of KZbin🙏🏽

[@CutieRain1]

agree

[@xicaum]

YES MORE MARCUS PLEASE

[@dankerbell]

ayo kings supporting kings

[@Clepston]

The thing about Cosmonaut being a “contrarian” is that, if I remember right, the way the numbering scores are set up is that a 5 is an actually average, just okay movie, whereas most people consider anything less than a 7 to mean it’s dogshit

[@leotheliongames]

Now, most people base it off of rotten tomatoes’ grading system, where anything less than a 65% “fails”

[@ricniks4619]

He said in his stream 1 - 4/10 are bad movies (Which is what people should REALLY get mad about) 5/10 are okay movies (Average or movies you won’t remember) & 6 -10/10 are good movies (I think this explains itself). And he also talked about how everyone looks at number scales differently since some think giving something a 5/10 is being to mean.

[@rhinuu045]

he always says its like really good then gives it like a 7. i think his points are great but the score is always p disappointing

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

@@rhinuu045 yeah 7 would be the average if u didn’t include any bad movies Really good should be 8 or 9

[@ILikeSoda229]

@@minerpvpgaming2160 5 or less means it’s horrible, 6, 7, or 8 means it’s an average, good movie. 9 and 10 means it’s “best” or “perfect”

[@_mango_]

Marcus is such a contrarian, that if we all said he was black, he’d make a video reviewing his own appearance and say he’s white

[@claires1063]

His white arc is over, he was already white

[@codered1132]

Plot twist: he WAS initially white but then pulled a reverse Michael Jackson 😮

[@Gloomdrake]

@@codered1132 you either mean a _reverse_ Michael Jackson, or else I've been lied to my whole life. Or, maybe, I've been sent to an alternate timeline where he was white and became black

[@viderevero1338]

LMAO

[@barnaby4232]

Ne doesn’t look black to me, he looks mixed race like Obama

[@meangirlovania]

Things we learned today: 1. Audience scores should be hidden on artsy films 2. Critic scores should be hidden on goofy films 3. Redditors should not be allowed to call anyone else contrarian 4. Alba stumbled

[@mimin1331]

5.matthews love the lighthouse

[@zumabbar]

@@mimin1331 6. who is eric?

[@tokitoki9156]

alba stumbled was or *

[@bluecoffee3868]

6. Cosmonaut has twitch channel?

[@thecrimsondragon2379]

Redditors should not be allowed to exist

[@subroy7123]

In a stream about contrarianism, I'm glad Marcus and his chat found common ground in the fact that "user reviews" is a unanimously trash category that you should never trust.

[@professorsuge]

I’m more on the side the critic scores are wack

[@mattiismouse1086]

All scores are wack, everyone has bad taste and good media is a sham

[@subroy7123]

@@professorsuge I'm more on the side the audience scores are wack

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

You didn’t give Morbius a 10 so clearly yes

[@JuancitoCardonaa]

Agree with this

[@AxxLAfriku]

Me the ALPHA M*LE of this comment section and me command RESPECT. Right now me telling you to NOT observe any of me nice cool sweet videos. Instead just look at me awesome good powerful thumbnails. Thank you, dear baron

[@raptorjesus9054]

Morbius is so good it deserves a tier of it's own. 10/10? More like Morbius/10

[@sh_2426]

I agree. Morbius was definitely a movie.

[@glitchm.c.9931]

I think not giving Morbius a 10/10 is punishable by death in some countries.

[@Lassenissen]

Your version of a white guy nervous about being branded racist when reviewing Black Panther was the funniest shit I've heard in months. This whole video was a joy to watch.

[@evandercaldwell9993]

It's exactly what I thought as well!! White guys being afraid of being racist!! I fell asleep the first half hour of Black Panther... twice!! Still haven't seen it to this day!!

[@aidanfoley6463]

@@evandercaldwell9993 But this entire video is just Marcus making excuses as to why people liked a film maybe he didn’t. To this guy, there has to be some darker reason as to why critics love Black Panther rather than just accepting that maybe they just liked the film. This should be so easy to understand.

[@ergastolo4281]

It's funny because he's right

[@yunleung2631]

Time stamp?

[@ItzOddwin]

@@yunleung2631 24:20

[@whawhawhawhaaaa]

Marcus is the only person I watch that I disagree with the majority of the time. I just think his videos are entertaining and well made, regardless of whether or not I disagree with him.

[@earlsaverson5387]

Marcus tends to lay all his biases on the table, like when he says he likes "miserable shit" aka dark and sobering flicks. When someone's upfront about their biases, they come off as less of a "my opinion is law" guy, and you get to enjoy their content unless their opinions are completely headass.

[@glibchubik4090]

Same

[@whawhawhawhaaaa]

@@earlsaverson5387 Agreed. I love BvS, but I don't get annoyed when Marcus makes fun of it, because he doesn't seem like he's trying to come off as unbiased.

[@AlphaPrinceND]

He’s the type of person who disagrees with you, but explains why and you understand his point of view

[@terabitez3374]

@@earlsaverson5387 exactly they admit sometimes there bias is a problem

[@josephrichardson7254]

I feel like people are forgetting that being "A Contrarian" also mean doing it *because* they want to oppose the common opinion. But in watching the videos, it seems much more based in personal feelings rather than "being a contrarian". Sometimes common opinion is considered but there are times where he agrees and others where he doesn't.

[@alanacidmyer]

It does seem much more based

[@d0decadice]

Yup! People just tell him that he's a "Contrarian" just because his personal opinions is against the norm. Just because he has so many opinions that is against or opposite of the majority that people think that it isn't a coincidence and that he is being a "Contrarian".

[@elfberry]

People don't care what words mean, my man. It's a darn shame.

[@emgre5567]

This is exactly it. My grandfather was a true contrarian. He supported losing politicians and sports teams every day of his life. If a candidate or position was unpopular, he was for it, even if it made no sense. He was for weed legalization for years before it happened here in Canada, and thought the 2020 democratic nominee would be Michael Bloomberg. Marcus has nothing on him.

[@theknightsofawesomeness2701]

@@emgre5567 your father sounds like a badass

[@Triforcefilms]

You almost have to split the difference between Critics and Users to get a comparable score. Users are highly emotional and that can quickly spoil any meaning to their average score. (either hating, meme'ing or fanboying) Critics are more interested in qualities of filmcraft or innovation while occasionally missing the fun... So I think if your score fits somewhere between critics and users, you're clearly on the right track and NOT a contrarian. You good boy:-)

[@Kekkersboy]

I disagree. Critics see multiple movies for their job. They have to be there so it's usually an honest opinion. The audience will mostly only review extremes things they love like that they want to gush about and rate super high Or things that they dislike and post like 1 star Tge average person that just thinks something is good or just ok never really post

[@gerooq]

@@Kekkersboy while you are correct, none of what you said is really against what Triforcefilms commented, and he is right too

[@Triforcefilms]

@@Kekkersboy that's.... Basically what I just said?. What are we debating?

[@Kekkersboy]

@@Triforcefilms you're saying the score should be split between the audience and critics scores. I'm saying keep the critics score but the audience score needs to be reevaluated

[@lifetake3103]

@@Kekkersboy No one is saying combine the scores on site. It's saying that if you're reviewing around their average you're probably doing fine.

[@DudeManGuy]

I feel like there's a line to be drawn between being a contrarian and just having a different opinion than what's popular. In my mind, contrarians are people who disagree with popular opinion just for the sake of disagreeing or because they think it makes themselves more interesting or look more intelligent. They disagree with popular opinion just because it's the popular opinion. You have your own reasons for your own opinions, and therefore regardless of what those opinions are you are not a contrarian. Maybe my personal definition is just wrong but that's how I see it.

[@ricniks4619]

I would say the criteria for being a Contrarian is PURPOSELY disliking/liking something just because everyone else likes/hates it like not liking Stranger Things just because everyone else likes it or liking Batman V Superman when most hate it. I have had some opinions in the past where its against popular opinion but I don't think it makes me a contrarian because I usually agree with the popular opinion.

[@idkwhattotype4704]

Popular opinions say pedophilia is bad. And if that is the popular opinion..... Then contrarians think that pedophilia is okay?! /s

[@kakahass8845]

@@idkwhattotype4704 Why do people use that word for like 5 different meanings?

[@idkwhattotype4704]

@@kakahass8845 idk, people use the word “Then” all the time

[@kakahass8845]

@@idkwhattotype4704 OK I'll give you that it was funny but I'm still confused on which of the like 5 ideas you were trying to convey with the word "Pedophilia".

[@samuelbrock]

Can we have a whole stream of just Marcus reading outrageous Rotten Tomatoes reviews please??

[@vinman900]

yes please

[@witchfordjoshburns]

Like how Marcus ended this with “maybe the contrarian was the friends we made along the way”

[@davemccombs]

Easily entertained much

[@bobjeezorham7658]

Honestly, this is still one of your most entertaining videos for me. Loved watching you riff on all the weird reviews and scores on Rotten Tomatoes.

[@xaviermunden1677]

I once read a user review for moonlight where a person said everything about the movie was great, but they gave it a 1 star because it "encouraged sin against god".

[@nathancarter8239]

That seems like a CollegeHumor sketch.

[@wompwomp9946]

lol sounds like online reviews, great product, works awesome! i accidentally ordered yellow instead of white tho 1 star

[@sadboijokes]

That’s the equivalent of “You made excellent and well thought out points in this video and your editing was phenomenal. Unsubscribed, blocked and reported.”

[@ohnonotthemagain7088]

reminds me of a... I think it was a review for a restaurant? that said something like "service was excellent but only god gets five stars." at least it was four stars and not one star

[@iroga9764]

Absoluteley based. That is the type of reviews I would write.

[@brianneroberts8372]

one of the defining traits for his reviews is not talking down to his audience, i feel like. even when i disagree with his opinions, his videos are enjoyable to watch because he explains his thoughts like a regular person, and doesn’t talk down to the viewer

[@boiledelephant]

He never tells you what to think, either, his tone makes me feel like if I don't agree, it's fine by him. Which a lot of professional reviewers haven't got the hang of.

[@FireFuture-fq7if]

Honestly you kinda hit the nail on the head

[@rubenlopez3364]

Yea man he only makes remarks about the studios and directors for making "Shit movie" and not saying "Oh what idiots are wanting this"

[@MusicoftheDamned]

As someone who generally ignores ratings, *especially* from audiences, at this point I take most instances of the usage the label "contrarian" to be shorthand for "I'm discounting your opinion since you don't agree with me". Outside of arguably Mike from RLM, I honestly can't really think of anyone who is legitimately contrarian for contrariness's sake the majority of the time.

[@Helpfulhelp]

Joseph Anderson

[@koberyan2880]

Mike? Idk if he didn’t like a movie you liked, but he’s definitely not a contrarian.

[@spoon1555]

@@Helpfulhelp I agree somewhat but not entirely. Some of the time (Fallout 4, NMS) he takes the popular opinion because doing the opposite would be damaging to his reputation as a serious critic, but a lot of the time he seems to be making points explicitly for contrarianism sake. His subnautica review comes to mind in regards to this. Overall I wouldn't call him explicitly a contrarian, but just that his content leans on making some kind of criticism even when sometimes it's not generally true.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

@@koberyan2880 What? Mike has changed his opinion to oppose the overall discussion just to fuck with Jay or Rich (or Jack) pretty often. I'm not even saying he *is* contrarian overall since I put "arguably" there for a reason, but pretending Mike doesn't act contrarian sometimes for his own amusement is just straight up a lie. I wouldn't call him contrarian for any other reason since I'm not some inssne person like too many people are who delude themselves into thinking that people they like *have* to agree with their outlook on everything 100% of the time or else they're a fraud | hack. enemy | contrarian | [insert buzz word here]. There's definitely things either he or Jay or even Rich have said that I have disagreed with, but that's fine since it's their opinion and they at least tend to explain why it's their opinion. Expecting *anyone* to share the same opinion with you 100% of the time is completely deluded, especially when it comes to parasocial (KZbin) relationships.

[@trippytree3889]

DING DING DING we have a winner. literally 99.9% of the time I've been labeled as a "Hipster" or "Contrarian" its because I disagreed on how good a movie is and they can't seem to refute the issues I had with the movie so it must be me that's the issue...

[@Cbawls]

People misunderstand two things. 1, that actual contrarians constantly make a point of being DIFFERENT than the majority, so much so that even if the consensus changes, they will contradict their first statement just to be DIFFERENT. 2, people conflate their own feelings for the case Markus makes for what he likes and doesnt like. In other words, the harshness or level of praising he gives can just as subjectively be recieved. Plus what do yall want? For everyone to like the same stuff? To be able to substantiate ones opinions? I actually like the idea of not having a need to substantiate every single opinion about trivial things such as this.

[@talex3844]

I think the silent minority doesn’t give a fuck and it’s a very loud and small contingent that needs to tell Marcus every single time they disagree with his opinion, even if they have no specific criticisms with his arguments. I think he’s so wrong about the Batman movie I hated it so much but it doesn’t affect my opinion of Marcus as a person or KZbinr maybe just a little Batman biased? I can appreciate his reviews even if I disagree.

[@noahnas1587]

@@talex3844 can you aleborate on why you don't like the Batman?

[@lifetake3103]

@@talex3844 I also would like to know why you don't like The Batman. Because I loved that movie and put it at the top live action batman movie and was a little stunned how not top tier it was scored when I saw on this video. An additional question would be how would you compare it to the Dark Knight?

[@jvqs55]

@@lifetake3103 I dunno the batman has a lot of investigation so that can turn people down or maybe he just expected him to pick up an ar-15 like ben affleck did. It's like some other comment pointed out, audience scores are too tied with emotion and expectation.

[@talex3844]

@@lifetake3103 FUCK FUCK FUCK I spent over an hour writing a 5 paragraph essay long reply about how any of the movie’s attempts to get the viewer invested in the characters as pretend human beings and not inanimate objects for progressing the plot fall completely flat and accidentally deleted it. Fuck it imma make a video. I’m doing my undergrad honor’s thesis rn so I can’t for a little bit but I WILL reply here with a video essay by May 18th. I’m not doing this for any of you I’m doing it for me and for spite. It’s gonna have music and images and visual references and all that shit. Now I’m not even high anymore man this sucks.

[@TheScientist408]

The Cosmonaut Contrarian Hour. This was a joy to watch. You should definitely do more videos like this, Marcus.

[@ItsMercerSantos]

Gotta say, this stream was one of the most enjoyable Twitch experiences I’ve had in forever. You’re a great content creator Marcus, keep up the amazing work.

[@gamergod9182]

the reason there is always this discrepancy between audience and reviewer score is because the only people who care enough to go out of their way to write a review either really loved or really hated something.

[@jdsmall13]

I stopped caring about the general audience score on sites 100% because of this. It's for a specific part of people who are fans too. I consider myself a pretty big fan and I've never wanted to go out of my way to post a review on RT or Metacritic

[@Mateuszt856]

So true

[@Crowrona]

As someone named Matthew, I can confirm that I do too also love the Lighthouse

[@xhillwontmiss]

Hi Matthew 👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼

[@UncleHyena]

He’s not lying everybody Paddington 2 is a life changing experience. I was struggling with high school insecurities and was going through a rough transition into adult. Voillllla a magical experience unlike anything I ever seen brought me to a place I thought I lost.

[@Kelly_C]

I genuinely would be a different person without paddington 2. people always are like "oh what movie made you into a ✨cinephile✨" and I've always been a movie person but paddington in that cute lil pink prison uniform is what made me go full on letterboxd user

[@UncleHyena]

@@Kelly_C omg yes!

[@bernardoohigginsvevo2974]

The Paddington movies are unironically some of the best kids movies out there

[@UncleHyena]

@@bernardoohigginsvevo2974 fr

[@ericchristensen9598]

glad to see someone going through and actually discussing the disparity between critic scores and audience scores

[@JustJuicer234]

I think critics and audiences just watch movies differently.

[@stormtraitor6545]

@@JustJuicer234 Except audiences are known for review-bombing all the time. The amount of times I see 10/10 reviews for 'Morbius' on IMDb is insane.

[@ethanjobson3879]

RT has gone to shit. Audience commentary used to be somewhat informed. Even witht the verified tab it’s completely garbage now.

[@JustJuicer234]

@@stormtraitor6545 that’s true but I find review bombs are kinda rare and very easy to spot.

[@neek1126]

Audience scores are always going to lean to an extreme. Critics are literally payed to give their opinions on things. Non-critics are only going to be tempted to score things unprompted when they feel very strongly about something. Movie critics also tend to be people more well-versed in how movies are made, and are able to judge more objectively as opposed to just "they killed off x character that I liked and now I'm angry" or "this sad movie made me sad and therefore it's garbage".

[@charizardmaster13]

love how halfway through the video just devolves into some moral questions of whether people should be given free speech on movie review websites

[@danelyman]

More variety = More Cosmonaut = More Good Times, absolutely no complaints here

[@JustSomeMemes]

I think it's just that a lot of people have very unique and different tastes from each other, that we forget that opinions can be different or change overtime. I don't think Terminator 3 was that bad. I also don't think it was better than Terminator 2. Sharing opinions is just a bizarre experience. And funny. And sometimes hostile.

[@kedemah2763]

Terminator 2 was a travesty. In fact, they should have stopped at the first movie.

[@vinceham1617]

What was the point of this comment, even? I feel like I just wasted 90 minutes of my life reading this.

[@christopherherr7561]

@@vinceham1617 that's just your opinion

[@kedemah2763]

@@vinceham1617 Terminator 1 is best Terminator!

[@ComicWriter-ml3qt]

Terminator 3 wasn’t bad at all. It just had a lot to live up to

[@danielbarrett3434]

I thought you were the typical hipster contrarian at first. Then I watched more and more videos and you’re pretty dang fair and spot-on. You also are pretty clear that what you’re sharing is an opinion. Folks do tend to overreact to things. What I like about you is that if a movie makes you feel something you take this introspective look at why you felt that way. So if you hate a movie, you have a very good, valid reason.

[@twoface4458]

Honestly, seeing as he gave Morbius a 2/10 and Rise of Skywalker a 6/10, I think Marcus is the nicest reviewer out here.

[@dogeshark204]

I think that he changed his mind on his video where he reviews his old ratings

[@stormtraitor6545]

Believe me, he hates Rise of Skywalker way more than when he first reviewed it. I'm still (pleasantly) surprised he likes The Last Jedi after all this time though.

[@spielinatorb1729]

StormTraitor same here!

[@toons8744]

Well I'd give rise a 6 or around that too. Agree with him 100% on TLJ tho

[@dogeshark204]

@@toons8744 I think that Rise of Skywalker is not really that bad of a movie. It's just really mediocre.

[@MCBigman]

To be a true contrarian, you have to set out purposefully to say something opposite of the consensus for the sake of being opposite. You can have contrary opinions and still not be contrarian cause it's just how you feel about it. It's when you do it expressly and solely just to be different that it's contrarian. Or at least, that's how I've always seen it.

[@boiledelephant]

That's it. Or, alternatively, a contrarian is somebody who seeks out a popular opinion and its holders, specifically to tell them they're wrong. This is not without its virtues: Christopher Hitchens, self-identified contrarian, spent his life doing exactly that, to generally good effect. But Cosmonaut posting balanced critique to his channel is the opposite of that, he's not even making anyone watch his reviews.

[@jacobcardinal8041]

The thing is that a contrarian won't outright say that they don't like something just because other people do, they typically have other reasons that they give even if that isnt their true motivation

[@boiledelephant]

@@jacobcardinal8041 A contrarian isn't just somebody who dislikes something *because* other people like it. It's someone who holds an opinion contrary to the prevailing view and goes out of their way to express it to people they know will disagree. The reasons they hold the opinion may be valid, and the motive for expressing it may be valid (e.g. ethical).

[@jonathangriffith6949]

Thank you for this. The internet sure does love to give their own meaning to or conflate the meaning with others in regards to words these days. It's like how everything is "underrated." :P

[@toobig7150]

exactly, we all have been around people who just disagree for the sake of it, Discord groups or irl friends, we all know someone who likes to """""""""troll"""""""""" like that. Example: "X game is coming out, looks good" Contrarian; "It seems like shit!" People: Why? Contrarian: "it seems bad" (games comes out in 2 years)

[@mootsashi5476]

14:07 I un ironically have an uncle Jimbo AND an aunt Lisa 😭😭😭😭😭

[@mootsashi5476]

Bro scared me

[@Brindlebrother]

Honestly, most star-review sites where anyone can vote are absolutely broken, because you're right, it quickly devolves into unhelpful, extreme opinionated statements that really just take up space. And many people go ahead and give 5 stars simply because nothing was _offensively_ bad, and then people will give 1 star because of _one_ thing they didn't like.

[@kreatona4219]

@@Hdehshzyhwjw that's far better than me, where I'm overly critical and have a hard time enjoying things for what they are. I at least do have a decent amount of things that I genuinely love, but I probably have more things that I dislike or hate

[@doomedwit1010]

"Everyone has a little contrarian in them." Spoken like a true cannibal.

[@nyahcboardgames7742]

Okay- but I need to say- The Batman deserves the 9.5 you gave it. I loved that film from beginning to end and it had a great sense of identity and theme and stuck to both of those throughout the film.

[@NotCharAznable]

Scores are arbitrary and don’t really mean a thing.

[@ILikeSoda229]

@@NotCharAznableScores represent how people feel about things. Instead of giving a detailed analysis on something you like, saying it’s a 10 or 9 can automatically tell people how you feel about it

[@JahirSanchez1998]

That movie was shit you can't even see half the movie.

[@jon-cx7jq]

The batman is mid

[@okay8458]

​@@jon-cx7jqyeah that's bs lmao the batman is better than most other superhero movies and probably one of dcs best movie

[@discreetscrivener7885]

I think movie critiques are similar to food critiques. You’ve got your professional chefs, your foodies, and you average person. Your average person might rate a food poorly on the basis of not liking broccoli, but that doesn’t mean the dish is bad necessarily. At the same time, a chef or foodie might be tempted to discount that “I don’t like broccoli” is a perfectly valid reason to not like the dish. Same for movies. There will be those who can articulate a film’s merits and flaws and from there can separate the movie’s “quality” from their personal enjoyment of it. “This is not the best film but I love it, here is why.” Then there will be those who won’t go much further than “I did not like this movie, therefore it is bad.”

[@akiouchiha8657]

You talkin too much

[@CHICKENNUGGETSKOON]

@@akiouchiha8657 true

[@dragoonmaster4133]

I like to imagine elegant violin music playing in the background as a British man narrates this comment.

[@ImpulsesOG]

Dude I must be going nuts. Didn't VideogameDunkey make a perfect video addressing the essential role of a critic ? To be consistent and concise. So readers/subscribers of said critics can formulate their interpretation of interests they may have with a film ?

[@jwm1444]

@@ImpulsesOG Dunkey is not the God of critics lol. I don't get why people treat his opinion like it's gospel sometimes.

[@Nyasferatu]

love how this video devolved into scrolling through a website and complaining about other's opinions. I do that with my friends every now and then, and I need more of this on yt

[@isaacbell4502]

Well there's 30 minutes of my life i can't get back

[@WiloPolis03]

I feel like Marcus has become less and less of a contrarian over the years, not that that's a good or bad thing

[@hagridsham1184]

I have never thought of him as a contrarian, I mostly agree with him most of the time

[@karpparino]

@Arab Man69__ i dont even know if you are trolling or not at this point XD

[@jock4551]

@Arab Man69__ everyone's biased in some way.

[@beybl7869]

@Arab Man69__ contrarians disagree for the sake of disagreeing. When he disagrees, it's his actual opinion

[@froddobaggins]

@Arab Man69__ He's based*

[@reedykape7451]

I don’t think you are a contrarian, you just have your own personal taste in movies and shows.

[@themelleryeller]

I feel like people definitely misuse the term "contrarian." It's not like he disagrees with people on movies just to disagree, he just genuinely thinks they're wrong. 99% of people who are "contrarians" either are have understandably different tastes, are ill-informed or biased, or just have bad opinions. I too scour the depths of Rotten Tomatoes on movies/shows that I found absolutely horrid or amazing and gawk at the trash opinions, some people are just weird. Some people liked the live action Cowboy Beebop, those people are very strange indeed, but only some are "contrarians" in my book.

[@dragoonmaster4133]

The lesson we learned here today is that Marcus is a contrarian, but that’s ok because everyone’s a contrarian.

[@mayonnaise3959]

Maybe the real contrarian was the friends we made along the way

[@lieutenantwumbo5845]

And if everyone’s a contrarian, no one is

[@Clocksrkindauselessngl]

@@lieutenantwumbo5845 nice reference to incredibles

[@ricniks4619]

Nah it’s possible to not be a contrarian it’s called being a sheep with popular opinions & not form your own opinion.

[@ILikeSoda229]

@@ricniks4619 I too agree that everyone who isn’t a contrarian is a sheep

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

I always find it hilarious whenever people get this uptight because... honestly most contrarians I know or have seen haven't been the kind of people to provide killer analysis and points like you do nor do they seem to get that just because something is popular doesn't mean that there is no possibility that at least one person is gonna say it sucked or vice versa. I think the difference is you can usually tell who's taking the opposite opinion just to be that guy and who's doing it because they genuinely feel that way. Like your reviews I've always been fascinated by because I could completely disagree on a point but the way you articulate it and explain yourself makes me perk up and gets me thinking. Meanwhile a contrarian will make me roll my eyes because there is nothing to their thought process that's interesting. One moment they will have their own opinion and the moment it gets too popular or you try to speak to them about it they change their viewpoint just to seem special, sometimes they'll even rehash what they read in an article just for the sake of seeming more educated than they actually are.

[@nashburt6635]

People on the internet have such a hard time accepting someone else has different opinions. There always needs to be some big reason, it can’t just be that you disagree. You think that way because you’re stupid, or your opinion is based on politics, or you’re a contrarian, or you’re too nit picky, or you’re a consoomer, or you’re nostalgia blind, or whatever.

[@cjkalandek996]

It's spelt "consumer".

[@nashburt6635]

@@cjkalandek996 Not on the internet, google consoomer.

[@leaffinite2001]

Yeah i feel like not nearly as many ppl are "bought off" as youtube comments would have me believe haha

[@David-gj9qr]

Well while I agree with you people can definitely be nostalgia blind. I'm nostalgia blind when it comes to Harry Potter movies

[@thecoasterfollower3564]

Tbf it is popular to dislike the MCU just because it’s the MCU, so it’s popular to dislike something people like just because people like it

[@Blackphoenix-kb5pi]

I think audience scores are so different because people are only likely to review a movie if they thought it was terrible or amazing. Usually if you see a fine movie you won’t leave a review.

[@monstermash1571]

Dude, for what its worth, you are my favorite KZbinr. As someone who loves both the Raimi Movies and the Star Wars prequels endlessly, your video of shitting on both of them are some of my favortie videos on the internet. I think you're insanely funny, I love your editing, your opinions and how you approach each topic. I love that you cut straight to the chase, and you have way too unique of a perspective that was way too hard to come across on KZbin. Keep being yourself, you are appreciated more than you know! Keep up the great work

[@flameman1188]

Seriously, Marcus is such an S tier KZbinr even when I disagree with his opinion. Always enjoy his videos.

[@deft4184]

The only reason I'm watching Marcus is that I disagree with him in almost every video he makes. Sometimes he's funny, sometimes he makes actual valid criticism, but most of the time he really does act like a contrarian. His Jojo and Shrek the 3rd videos for example, it's like he barely paid attention to the source material and made those videos solely to shit on them.

[@solidhutyr1815]

You do realize that he thinks of anyone that likes the PT A and I quote "brainwashed"

[@stormtraitor6545]

Tbf, he never really hated the Raimi Spider-Man films, he has issues with them yes, but he clarified he never outright hated them. The Star Wars prequels on the other hand, yeah no, he hates them with a passion.

[@BLP04]

Nah, you’re not a contrarian, that’s just the internet being the internet

[@mr.cranker8086]

You can easily make the most basic ass opinion on the internet and I guarantee you that someone out there will hate you for it

[@CrowTRobot]

He has the most reasonable, non-polarizing opinions on the Star Wars sequels. He was completely mixed on Last Jedi and somehow people still got furious with him.

[@BLP04]

@@mr.cranker8086 exactly

[@FatNinjaWalrus]

one of the reasons i like you is specifically BECAUSE you often, but not always, seem to go against the grain with many movies. i'll watch something and think "hey that was really good" and then i'll watch your review and i'll realize "oh there was actually a lot of flaws and/or dumb shit in this movie that i didn't notice." or the opposite, i'll watch a movie that i think "meh" about and then watch your review and you really liked it and suddenly i'm seeing all these things you pointed out that are worth appreciating about it. it feels like you help temper my extremes/initial thoughtless reactions into something more balanced. but my favorite reason for watching you is that you do all that while reliably making me laugh my ass off. you deliver your opinions with super solid humor and you never feel like you're genuinely (although sometimes sarcastically lol) berating anyone for liking or disliking a movie.

[@spyroclone152]

The thing I love about Marcus and his videos is that he's willing to state his case along with reasoning without passively talking down to his audience. I've seen so many videos from other true contrarian KZbinrs that devolve into petty personal rants about why they're right and why we should feel bad for not thinking the same way they do. There's no harm and no foul for staying your opinion against the grain just so long as you're not patronizing, or straight up insulting in some cases, the opposition. I may disagree with some of Marcus's stuff (like the star wars rebels vids for example). But I have never felt that he's talked down to me or disrespected me when watching his videos. You keep doing you Marcus. By the way, the cosmonaut picture shows are some of my favorites from your channel.

[@yayamckenzie5986]

dont be shy.. say shafrillas name

[@snakevergil]

I agree. See MasterTainment and going off on his audience for his audience saying he had a horrible moon knight theory which involved time travel lmao.

[@tuckerwilliams849]

To be honest I trust cosmonauts opinion more than these websites. The websites have a ton of people working on the reviews and articles while Cosmonaut is one guy. Even though I don’t always agree with him, at least he’s consistent

[@sartajpurewal5429]

Cosmonaut said she hulk was good , and all the sequel trilogy films are better then revenge of the SITH. I would not trust his movie opinions at all 😂

[@paleopal]

@@sartajpurewal5429 Nostalgia is literally the only reason I can fathom why so many people genuinely believe Revenge of the Sith is an unironically good film. I have so much nostalgia for that movie but I can still admit it sucks.

[@Ishpeck]

@19:44 This is a known phenomenon in the world of online reviews. You encounter a huge sampling bias among general users. Most people will only review a thing if they feel strongly about it. A completely adequate experience doesn't fill them with the emotional fervor needed to power them through the process of opening a review site, thinking about their feelings, and articulating them coherently, and submitting those thoughts in an informative way.

[@itamar20112]

It’s also that they want to affect the overall score so if they see that a movie got a higher ranking than what it deserves (in their opinion), they’ll give it 1 star to try and lower the overall score as much as they can. Same when a movie gets a lower ranking.

[@Wylf]

Honestly, people who call someone out for being "contrarian" arguably miss the point of a critic - especially a youtube critic. The vast majority of people who watch your videos will be people who've followed the channel for a while. They know what you like and dislike and also know how those likes and dislikes align with their own. If they, in the past, utterly hated movies or games that you liked a lot, then that's still valuable knowledge - they'll know that if you like a game or a movie similar to those games, it'll probably mean that they *won't* like it, based on their past experiences. Same the other way around, if you hated things they liked they know that if you hate something in the same genre there's a good chance that they migth like it. It's the job of a critic to give a *biased* Opinion. Not an unbiased or neutral one, because that's not really helpful to consumers. The bias, in combination with the consumers knowledge about said bias, helps with deciding what products to consume.

[@NoiseDay]

Wow, I've never heard someone say that critics are meant to be biased. Where did I get this expectation that critics should be neutral?

[@phoenix_03e]

@@NoiseDay I guess art is meant to be looked at subjectively not objectively (most of the time) like there are objective things about art, but majority of the time, you as a person are meant to insert yourself and derive your own enjoyment/understanding of the art, whatever conclusion that may be e.g. tall girl is a psychopath

[@phoenix_03e]

The point of a critique is supposed to be what you felt after consuming the art, how did the painting make you feel? How did the food taste? Did the movie’s emotional beats land for you or did they not? After that you must explain your reaction and why it hit or miss, I know you probably know this but I thought I’d just explain

[@Wylf]

@@NoiseDay Entirely neutral criticism simply ain't possible, your experience of any media will always be coloured by our own likes and dislikes. A neutral critique of a video game, for example, would boil down to the technical level. Does the game work, do the graphics meet current standards (although that already dips into subjective criticism, what looks good to one person might not look good to another), etc. The moment you start talking about if the game is *fun* you start getting into biased territory, because what we find fun heavily depends on our personality and our own individual likes and dislikes. One should, of course, still strive to be neutral in their criticism, but in my opinion you can't fully remove that bias from the equation. Even if you are aware of it you might overcompensate and rate things too highly as a result. It's therefore better for consumers to know what the critics they watch like and dislike than to expect complete neutrality.

[@Huntanor]

There is a reason Siskel and Ebert worked so well. They had opposed subjective opinions, you usually agreed with one and disagreed with the other. Movies with two thumbs up generally had something to like for everyone. If two thumbs up was all the time it would be meaningless as a score.

[@ailemasvega]

I feel like usually audiences give out a higher score because they went into the movie knowing they would like it. Let me explain. If you're a critic and have to watch every movie, you might not particularly like HP and might have hated the two previous Fantastic Beasts movies, but you are still going and writting a review. As an audience member, if you don't like HP you don't go watch the movie. If you saw the first two and didn't like them, you just don't go to the third one. This means that most people that bought the ticket for it already knew they were going in for a good time. It's only fans. HP is an extreme example, but I feel like its applicable to a lot of movies thanks to trailers.

[@NateJ6]

Absolutely do more of this format. Love the long form “hangout” style that you’d miss by not catching the stream

[@francesco8000]

I honestly can't trust the user score because, unless it's the most harmless thing in existence, there will always be someone that goes on a crusade for or against a movie\game. I still remember when TLOU2 and GOT fans went at war with each other because they both wanted their game to be "game of the year".

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

User scores are spam and garbage. Never to be trusted

[@JDLaney-zk4wb]

And the actual Game of the Year that year was Hades.

[@denimschaffer9439]

Last of Us 2 is definitely not game of the year sure it had amazing graphics, gameplay, and voice acting but the plot and character development were not good compared to the 1st one but if people enjoy it I understand why they may like it more than me

[@surreal9239]

Cosmonaut is scared of Eric taking his job, as he should be. I could watch Eric talking about movies for hours. What a man.

[@dorobantuvlad7924]

What a man you are* Fixed it for you there, you're welcome.

[@josepena3546]

marcus’ character arc since he admitted to liking aquaman has been very interesting to watch unfold

[@hayes8778]

the stream was fantastic, and i loved watching this. will def rewatch hundreds of times

[@abdullahahmad2012]

was so jokes with reading the ironic morbius reviews lmao

[@corijobman3379]

Here’s the thing on Rotten Tomatoes; it rewards movies that are like 7/10, solid stuff that’s inoffensive and technically sound, and often makes them look as good as truly great movies

[@bradylangston9731]

Love how he's accidentally exposing rotten tomatoes algorithm for movies they decide are good or not good. Also Eddie's review is exactly how baseball HOF voting works.

[@theking9957]

I just had the worst "what was the point of that anyway" with my family after everything everywhere all at once. I really liked it but they just went on and on about how long it was for a "basic" plot. So I can definitely sympathize with hating being around people like that.

[@cadnad]

i can’t imagine walking out of that movie feeling that

[@disneybunny45]

My boyfriend didn't like how long it was but it didn't feel all that long to me. It was such a good movie.

[@Mr.Faust3]

My buddy said the same for the Batman he didn’t understand it at all

[@joeyjerry1586]

Encanto as well. I’ve heard people say it’s not great because ‘it doesn’t have a plot and it’s just a family in a house’.

[@iamawin8272]

I’ve never seen you as a contrarian. You’ve always provided pretty good reasons for your opinions so it never seemed like you were just having them to be different or whatever. Also you should release more stream highlight videos they’re great !!

[@NotCharAznable]

Lol

[@mathewhaight]

"When I was poor and complained about class issues, they called me bitter. Now that I am rich and complain about class issues, they called me a hypocrite"

[@mcmosfet2856]

"I so wanted horror, but ended up with a borer" made me think of Gene Shalit more than Dr. Seuss. Really, a winner either way.

[@ManiacX1999]

Dude, I don't get it. He gives something a 7/10 and a Meta critic score says like, 98 out of 100 means he's going against the grain? THEY'RE BOTH POSITIVE SCORES HOW THE FUCK IS THAT CONTRARIAN?

[@bartagame_3070]

Welcome to the internet, where logic and common sense are near non existent

[@gabrieloram]

One of my favourite things at the minute is checking the reviews for the batman and reading the 1 star reviews. All of them say the same thing and it's really funny for me because of how good everyone else thinks the film is! However, on another note, Suicide squad 1 has literally almost 60% audience score

[@Punk-Mask]

From all the KZbin reviewers Marcus usually tends to be the one that I agree with the most.

[@flameman1188]

Agreed.

[@polovchhangte6730]

Superhero movies - Cosmonaut Other movies - Critical drinker All movies - Jeremy jahns

[@deft4184]

Vice versa.

[@nickziegler1904]

I love how Marcus's defensive white guy voice is just Obama

[@TheRealWalkingDude]

FWIW I never once thought you were just being contrarian. I wouldn’t subscribe to your channel if the content did not have value and I think your content is worth my time.

[@Satherian]

To quote Dunkey: "A critic's power lies in the consistency of their voice." Who gives a fuck what any critic says - find one that you agree with on most things and then use their opinions on future stuff

[@thegreatgonzales6813]

Dunko Pop spittin that wisdom. Honestly his Game Critics video is still my favorite for how true every single sentence of it is.

[@emma11122]

Or just watch them for entertainment like with most youtube critics.

[@exo.dus.1180]

@@emma11122 fr, when you look at it that way, you can even engage with those you disagree to give more food for thought

[@salman6254]

Dunkey is a terrible critic though and he isn't even consistent. Good criticism doesn't boil down to just finding someone who's opinions you agree with, that's just lazy criticism. The best critics are ones who convince you to try stuff you otherwise wouldn't have tried or at least give some new insight or perspective on something. If they just go "I like this, and I hate that", then they're no different and their opinion no more valuable than the average commenter.

[@PoPo-qp8zq]

It's sad to see people actually take that clown's word seriously...

[@mahermagdy4604]

Rotten tomatoes shouldn't really be talking seriously anymore . Neither critics nor user score hold any meaning .

[@wideastrohole7862]

not even half way through the video and im loving it already. i feel like people take it way too seriously when watching marcus's videos

[@westcoastavenger]

Wet Hot American Summer is the best comedy of all time When I first discovered it in like 2003, I felt like I found a secret that no one knew of. Was the favorite of my friend group in college.

[@driiifter]

A contrarian is something I call someone when I've been having a debate with them or I'm in a community with them and they literally never agree on anything you say, ever, never have. That to me is a contrarian, they are taking an unusual splendor in arbitrarily disagreeing with you. Reviewing movies that don't do anything new, but everyone liked them anyway, therefore you're being a contrarian, doesn't actually make you a contrarian. That's like calling someone a contrarian because they think everything in the dollar store is cheap crap. It is cheap crap, but people still love the dollar store. It's people being biased and then mislabeling you because you aren't biased like them, it's a projection basically.

[@vishuk9278]

The thing is that after watching a KZbinr's reviews the audience gets a sense of what kind of content that particular reviewer responds to and generally the audience knows what to expect from that person in a future review, this is not the case with your videos though, it is hard to predict your reaction towards something, I've seen you like content I like and vice versa. I may not agree with all your reviews but that makes you unique as a reviewer.

[@ByroniusHuge]

What's so funny about this to me is that I've NEVER watched a reviewer I agree with so often. I think my friends would say I'm a contrarian too though, but I feel like I just expect/like different shit in the movies I watch than they do. Keep up the good work!

[@yungbaselord9778]

The Contrarian Variety Hour

[@alexanderfedderly]

Being a contrarian means that someone intentionally goes out of their way to hold an opinion contrary to the general consensus, for attention, or out of spite, or just generally disingenuous for whatever reason. But simply holding a contrary opinion, if it's arrived at honestly and organically, is perfectly valid. After watching a lot of your reviews, it seems pretty clear that you fall into the honest/organic category, not the intentionally contrary category. I don't always agree with your takes, but you always have good, logical, internally consistent reasons for how and why you arrive at your conclusions. I am officially declaring that you are not a contrarian.

[@downspiral]

Yeah, I don't think he's really a contrarian because contrarians don't just happen to differ from the masses by chance, they try to despite having justified reasons to do so. It's like people calling out normies, it just matters whether a product is good or bad disregarding popularity.

[@linusekstrom272]

I feel bad that I can never catch your streams, so PLEASE make some more highlights on youtube. I love them.

[@majorhoolahan]

I've always enjoyed hearing your input and thinking behind everything, this was no different. I'd definitely like to see more content like this.

[@Zarkawi17]

"The entire movie made absolutely no sense." on one of those rotten tomatoes reviews is pretty funny. I think the closest movie I've ever seen make literally no sense was Love on a Leash, where scenes were so rapid-fire and in no way led into each other that the plot has to be pieced together from a bunch of unrelated scenes. God I love that movie.

[@carlostoledano4716]

What I love is when people use the word “objective”.

[@stormtraitor6545]

Oh god, that word is misused so much, they just use it as a cheap way to win an argument.

[@toons8744]

Yea its hilarious. It still gets used unironically

[@TheFirehands150]

On the flip side I also hate that everything is called subjective.

[@toons8744]

@@TheFirehands150 well when you're talking about things like how a movie affects someone, it is always subjective. To give an example I cannot say that pizza is objectively good, because its physically possible for someone to not enjoy it. The two terms are mutually exclusive

[@TheFirehands150]

@@toons8744 yeah but people use it as an excuse to make whatever point they want lol. I'm not saying what is and what isn't. Both terms are being used as excuses and justifications. Back in the day... we just said what we thought was good and bad, we didn't need to keep saying "it's subjective therefore i say it's good or its objectively good." We simply said, "yeah I thought it was good"

[@FlameQwert]

I think the reason for the discrepency was figured out in the stream when Marcus mentioned the 5/5 or 1/5 scores: unless it's your job to watch and review all movies (so whether you feel strongly about a movie or not, you're going to be inputting scores that range from bottom to top), the only time someone is going to log in to rotten tomatoes to post a review is if they really love or really hate it and likewise input a skewed score (a random user going 5/5 because they 'quite like it' might more accurately be a 8/10 in Marcus' rating system for example)

[@samuelhacker7463]

Remember that most reviews come out when the movie is made. After 14 years, people were willing to look past Incredibles 2’s flaws because they were so anxious for a new movie

[@brendanparker3253]

In general I find that critics will rate a movie on how original and artistically compelling it is whereas audiences will rate it on how entertaining and easy to watch it is. There's some overlap but that's usually how it goes

[@pakman9794]

For starters, if you just told me what everybody thought (every time), I probably wouldn't watch. Secondly, you admit it in your videos when you like something for reasons that might be specific to you or your corner of the demographic (like Batman being more comics this time than any previous movie). I enjoy every one of your hot takes, even if I liked something you didn't, because you explain why and that broadens my horizons. You are most valuable (to me) when you validate how much I didn't like something everyone else likes. The bottom line is if you're going to make a video about it, you likely have something worth saying about it and it might even be something you feel strongly about. Contrarians say what they say for the sake of NOT agreeing with the majority, you don't. Stick to your guns my dude.

[@jvqs55]

perfectly pointed out man

[@viniciuslisboa8864]

The 0 score Review in Morbius is in portuguese. We can translate to "This movie is like Batman. There is a Batman, and a Joker, but the Joker is the one who is watching, because this movie will get you insane".

[@enbytoon]

I wish I had stayed for the rest of the stream because I was losing my mind during this whole video, love seeing the stream highlights made into full videos. I also 100% agree, tastes vary wildly for anyone to be a true contrarian unless they’re actively trying to piss people off

[@Joe-tu7jm]

To the people saying that Matt Reeves' Batman is overrated, I have to strongly disagree. The Batman had everything; an amazing and unique introduction for a character that we've all seen many times on the big screen and in TV, a solid representation of Gotham that makes Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy look like it was filmed in a fucking cardboard box, great usage of multiple villains (Riddler, Penguin, and Falcone) that adds depth and intensity to the plot, dark and gritty but also cool music, awesome action scenes but also scenes where we get to see Batman be the detective that he is, and ofcourse great acting from everyone involved. My only complaint is the after credits scene with joker and riddler because the whole Batman v Joker arc is severely overused and there's so many other Batman villains that have yet to be in movies so there's that. Marcus' 9.5/10 is exactly what I would give the movie as well.

[@stinkybuttrat]

"This guy thinks he's much smarter than he is" describes... all of twitch and youtube viewers. Except me obviously

[@WitsayFan]

I could watch videos like this for HOURS

[@TheEmbessyNetwork]

As a person who always can't catch a livestream all the time due to work, I'm a fan of highlight videos and more on your channel would be awesome imo. Would love to see more of these from your streams. Keep up the great work!

[@starmanstuvs3856]

Start of the video: "I'm not a contrarian!" Near end of video: "Okay, so I'm a contrarian, but that's okay, right?" Lmao loved this. More videos like this :D

[@OsvaldoChannel1]

that's character developement

[@matthewdoolittle6406]

I wasn't sure if I should watch The Lighthouse, but now I know it's the movie for me! Thanks for making a guide for all Matthews out there!

[@Hardcovered]

"two hours i wont get back!" after writing starts scrolling on tik tok

[@HellfireComms]

I wouldn't say you're contrarian, but you do have some extreme takes at times which makes it SEEM like you're a contrarian. That's enough for some people who can't be bothered to take the time to understand how you think.

[@tirelessfrog916]

I don't even have to say it. Just hand it over boss

[@WeirdVoyager]

The whole point of a reviewer is finding one that has similar taste to you so you have a good idea if they liked something, that you might too. I think the problem here is that people like your videos and editing style and want to like you, but your taste doesn't match theirs and they don't want to face the reality that they should find another reviewer to follow.

[@thaearthquake]

Hit the nail right on the head 💯 I get some good laughs but my overall impressions of a movie/show tends to be way different from Marcus’

[@boilermankamajii]

“I don’t think there are any contrarians. Yeah maybe I am a contrarian… but everybody is” spoken like a true contrarian

[@akkronym48]

I realized like 5 years ago that whenever a divisive movie came out that I could just wait until Marcus talked about it and then expect the opposite and most of the time that's been pretty reflective of my enjoyment So like - it's working out for both of us! Keep it up lol

[@spointz8936]

I actually appreciate your thoughts/ reviews a lot b/c I never know exactly what I'm going to get whereas with far too many other youtubers it's so goddamn predictable what angle they are gonna take. You're also not a approaching it from a hardcore film theory/ high-brow "cinephile" angle which can smtimes feel didactic. You actually feel like a human being with capacity for both critical thinking and fun-ness(?).