Am I Worried about Music for no Reason?

There's something going on in music and I wonder if I'm the only one who's uncertain about its future and how we perceive or experience this form of art.
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[@nguyenhieu6031]

I think the metal archive preventing AI bands is a good thing and if i’m not sure about a band, i could just check the metal archive. We need archives like this for other forms of music as well. And Farvann, you are not an old man screaming at cloud, you are just a man with common sense and sincere concern. I’m 21 years old and i have the same worry.

[@zombiTrout]

MA also won’t list a bunch of bands for stupid reasons, none of which are AI.

[@Masher2025]

Metal Archive will give up evetually. It's inevitable.

[@BaldurOutlaw]

Hell, I am not even 18, and I'm also worried about AI bullshit. The rise of "AI art" is definitely a tragedy.

[@DaP84]

So how do check for validation?

[@Light_Camus]

I'm just thinking about…what if someone is just using AI as a tool? How can we distinguish them from the bands who are just using AI to be lazy?

[@OddTastySausage]

I'm afraid of what will happen to all the (especially anonymous) one man bands that never get to perform live. They all seem suspicious to me now. And it's terrifying that AI is going to get even better. We dreamed that machines would work for us, so we could do art. It feels that we're working for them now, while they're doing "art". Modern art world sucks man

[@n7rux]

Yea..Especially hurts seeing AI album covers, and just art created by robots in general. While people are pouring in their art effort, time, passion and creativity, AI just copy pastes what already exists without an ounce of personal touch. It's so messed up honestly :(

[@Ronaldo50135]

"i want ai to do the dishes while i make art, not ai to do art while i do the dishes" dont remember where i saw this phrase, it wasnt exactly like that too, but its completely real

[@zahonko]

I actually thought about it last week and it's a bit sad because for me, music should be made by people not computers yk...for me it would lose the pure aspect of the music itself... but we'll see :D interesting topic man! greetings from Czech

[@00Blackthorne00]

You are definitively not worried for no reason.. Shit's scary.

[@Masher2025]

You're concerning for no reason. AI generated music is good and humans will still make arts by themselves too cuz they bored and also want to create and also want to create something to experience it by themselves.

[@No.U]

​@@Masher2025I can honestly say I've never heard good AI music

[@Melancholyofangels]

@@Masher2025 ai music and ai art in general is soulless

[@Masher2025]

​@@No.U It will become good eventually. If you're an artist, still create.

[@WFly101]

@@Masher2025 you type like a toddler

[@deejay2003]

Since we were nothing more than cavemen, art has always been made by people, so to give all that up to a computer, and barely any or none of it to be human is defying what art is

[@guitaristslair]

But we are creating art with tools, and computers are also kinda tools (although i also fear ai taking over, i stil cant really convince myself its avoidable)

[@deejay2003]

@guitaristslair I saw an amazing video by the art creator known as Jazza, where he explains how he uses AI for the creation process without having it be the entire process, and I feel that's the best way to use it responsibly, not using it as a substitute, use it as a step for human creation

[@guitaristslair]

@@deejay2003 thnx, i will check it out

[@deejay2003]

@@guitaristslair np

[@tehcwankery69420]

art makes us question..isn't that what ai generated art is doing??..

[@OgnjenDjoric]

I agree with everything you say, it really is becoming scary and unpredictable

[@Gregbaltzer]

Well we all know Abbath can't write lyrics so if he starts writing lyrics all of a sudden then you know what's up 😆

[@BLACKMETALBASTARD69]

He is so me lmao

[@PopoCatepetl-vh3kx]

Im pretty much of a youngster myself, and I can assure you that Im struggling the same way you do. Its an issue that affects across all fenerations and the thought that the art that we are ought to enjoy itself aint even art, but just a generated product is sickening. And it shows that a reasonable style and amount of gate- keeping of ,,keeping it true" is necessary. The human aspect in art is the absolute key to it. If we cant express our emotions just by ourselves and normal helpung tools it will lead to a loss of emotions. Its about time to kick our asses, rise up and live the spirit that so many bands, of e.g the second wave black metal, or the early years of metal in general , embodied. Resistance, authenticity and the will to create something new, with our own hands, not just to reproduce. This is what matters, what drives us forward.

[@heksebladet]

Dude i just listened to your album "Erzähle, Baba Jaga" and it is one of the best bm albums i have heard in a while! Your album kind of got me into dsbm:)

[@AbabBahah-qm4lo]

What's his band?

[@jaysonwitting4671]

@@AbabBahah-qm4lo Durbatuluk

[@snaremori]

Thanks for speaking up. I don't think you're worrying too much at all.

[@namefail879]

New underground and independent bands suffer the most from this (especially those that do not perform live). Bigger/ More well known bands can be implicitly verified by (quality) music journalism. As long as quality music journalism (especially the kind that interviews bands and do live music reviews) persists, then you will always be able to find real bands with real music. As for the underground/independent scene... If you don't play live, then there's almost no way to prove your music is real, short of documenting / recording your song writing and recording process (which is too much to ask for unfortunately). RIP to the legitimacy of newly created one man black metal bands...

[@taddybear4244]

It sucks that people would use AI to do this. It drains the heart of the music in the same way over-production does.

[@StizzardLizzard]

Every song you played sounded like AI but thats probably because they sounded generic. If anything this goes to show we need more innovation

[@HeathenDance]

Yes, I thought it was AI lol.

[@Deth69Destruction]

It's ok to be worried. I've already heard AI music on some TV and Radio ADs. On my language (spanish), it's easier to notice at least the fake voice. And yes, listening to this songs trying to find any "AI trace" really changue the experience of listening music. Maybe I disagree with some criteria Metallum uses to admit bands on the website, but keeping an eye on AI music it's an important move. This should be made on every website.

[@behemitch8287]

I agree with you. As you said, if the foundation of what it is and means to make music (or art in general) partially falls away, then whats left? It might sound good on occasion, but when the humanity is left out of it, then we wont experience it either. You already kind of see it in a lot of electronical music, who copy paste the perfect parts and play that exact bit live.

[@ImN0tInsane]

So, here is what I thought while listening to the tracks you played : 1st - Human 2nd - Human 3rd - Human Then I started to think that if you made a video about AI, there surely was a twist at some point so I switched my opinion to everything was AI. You're right, it made me doubt. But as of now, AI music is very recognizable : it has some kind of hearable distortion in the sense that every note that is played sounds like it's mashed up with the others in a kind of uncanny way. Also, the vocals are not 100% understandable and the singer often has that weird robotic voice and tone. None of the tracks you played had these issues. A good example I sometimes give is the AI metal generated by the content creator named "doopiidoo", he has a KZbin channel. While his track named "The Forest Never Sleeps" is not half bad for something played by an AI (well, if you happen to like Grindcore, of course), it has all the issues I've listed above. What's scary though, is that it's both the best and worst state of AI music we'll ever know as it'll only get better with time.

[@mcalvrd6110]

What about COMPLETING THE CIRCLE? What I am mostly concerned (and sad) is that, anytime now, a BAND USING AI COMPOSITIONS, they will present them as ORIGINALS, then they will record them with their real instruments , then release a (seemly fabulous) album, play it live on tour, etc. and have ...success?! (The "Milli Vanilli" truth would never show up) (Or worse yet, seeing "the first live band playing AI compositions " and being proud about it) THAT my friend is what concerns me most.

[@No.U]

Fortunately for now, AI doesn't seem to be able to do anything actually interesting in its music. For the moment, we're safe from this... for the moment...

[@bubu5908]

Maybe you're AI-generated too and we're watching a bot talk all the time. You already look kind of suspicious with your black clothes and your long hair ...

[@abcdef8923]

And clones in old videos!

[@Absolutesam04]

Thats why don't overtrust internet

[@Belief88BM]

the most AI-like song was the first one, which has a kind of blurred sound typical of generated songs.

[@Dumbnickname]

man I'm actually super concerned about this. and it's not just about music, there's video scripts whole texts, paints and a lot of other stuff AI try to reproduce. I'm tired of everybody glorifying Chat GPT, even in my own family, I'm the only one not using it. AI is everywhere now. Alexa, Siri, and Google were dumb little AI able to tell us some jokes, but here we got real terifying robots, those humanity always feared, they try to remplace artist. I hope they never will.

[@metal_fan72rus]

I have been thinking about this very recently. Your worries are real. I might just give up on new music really soon.

[@lambknot]

Nah, there's already so much to listen to. I'm not gonna worry about it. Shitty music is always around whether it's human or not.

[@n7rux]

True!

[@HeathenDance]

And unless you are a sex symbol, or a top notch video producer, good music doesn't really pay off anymore.

[@GallumA]

I need that last black metal track is was beautiful.

[@psodq]

It's the same thing with visual arts, movies, etc. well, it's the the same thing with any art that can be reproduced using electronic or digital media. The authenticity of digital media cannot be trusted anymore at any level. The only way you can trust true, human art is by experiencing the performance live.

[@GallumA]

my pleasure of something doesn't depend on something I can't see, I don't know the magic tricks behind music production, and the romantic notion that music must come from a person, or people is an understandable desire. But did we not deal with this already with electronic music? There was so many 'metal heads' *puke* who resented the existence of electronic music at all, after a few years all the 'metal heads' I knew loved brostep, (and I myself am a big appreciator of old, grey, minimal dubstep). I find this is actually good for us. Here is why: The more people who fake their passion for this stuff, who are willing to take short cuts because their sincere desire is not in the expansion and development of their art form, will quickly become something else and those who are sincere will still exist just as they always have. It will thin the herd, in a sense and there's nothing wrong with that. We have such incredible artists in black metal right now. If you can detect derivative black metal, then you can detect Ai. It's that simple. Anything Seminal, cannot be Ai by the very reality of what it is.

[@4ohf]

well you just made my fears about AI worse... thanks Farvann!

[@fryprosody]

I was thinking, if there are lives, rehearsals, etc where we are able to hear songs be played with mistakes or with slight alterations then this could be less worrying, but not every artist will want to perform live, or release a rehearsal and they shouldn’t feel they have to just to prove their real people. It’s extremely, extremely concerning to me the usage of AI especially when it comes to art in any form. I would like to hope that humans can tell, when music has been truly made with emotion and feelings and dedication, that we can tell and feel that too and that’s something I doubt a robot can ever replicate. If one day it does.. well that’s an extremely sickening thought.

[@KeymoEmbryo]

Luckily, most of us here I'd imagine are into Metal music. Black, Death, Thrash, whatever. Elitism, competitiveness, and possessing the ability to learn and get better and better at your craft, whether it's drums, guitar, bass, etc. will always exist in Metal. It's what makes Metal music feel eternal, it possesses an energy that other genres of music will never come close to acquiring. To answer your question, I can see Al in hip hop, in country music, in Techno, in rap music and people would be okay with it for the most part. But I honestly feel that it just wouldn't translate well into a genre like heavy metal and extreme metal music. Metalheads are already elitists by default, even they say they aren't, and we just simply wouldn't allow music made by algorithms and AI systems to destroy this genre of music that many talented musicians have helped build over the decades through blood, sweat, and tears. All in all, I wouldn't worry about it. It ain't taking over Metal music, the soul of the Metalhead wouldn't allow it. \m/

[@amitbitan]

That's it. We can bury the world now🗿

[@HeathenDance]

In alternative you could actually get to explore the world, instead of drowning yourself in typical Internet Drama.

[@amitbitan]

@HeathenDance bro Im kidding

[@timhans1320]

great experiment!

[@notcreativeside]

I think the big thing is transparency. I personally don't care how someone makes music as long they're honest about it. I've messed around with AI music. It's still very much in the phase where you put in a prompt and hope for the best. It's going to improve, but I think there's always going to be a market for human made music. Black metal is filled with solo projects. I don't know if they're playing the instruments, or if it's loops or samples, stuff selected in a DAW, a drum machine, etc. Not knowing doesn't take away from my enjoyment. In theory any of them could be using AI in some way. The commercialized genres are going to get hit the hardest because at the end of the day it's about money. I don't think the more extreme metal genres are going to get flooded with AI. There will be AI music, but I think it will primarily be from fans. People who appreciate a genre, but lack the skills of a musician, producer, or audio engineer.

[@pthethird]

AI and Robots are supposed to make the shitty works we have to do, but instead they are making the funny stuff.

[@Lucifierium]

I love the guitar tone on that last song. What's the band?

[@WMfin]

New fear unlocked

[@dorakonstantara7257]

Can you make a tutorial about how to make a black metal logo?

[@leandromoreno6467]

You make an interesting point! Even just considering that what I was hearing could be AI, I didn’t even want to give the music a chance

[@TriGrutt]

Spot on! The problem now is that see a problem in one of the most precious human things (to me it is): Music. 😢

[@ogrefetus9641]

bro... we must persist... awake we die, asleep we live...

[@gogotrololo]

I do stagehand work for a major orchestra in my region, and my assistant production manager just told me he was a bass player in a grindcore band. My production manager just started learning piano. One of my fellow roadies plays sitar. If I'm not playing my violin, guitar, bass, or flute, I'm getting great music from the orchestra, their chamber groups, or the solo playing of everyone around. When I go to family events, there's always someone doing campfire stuff. I'm not worried about AI ruining music, but I am sad that it's ruining how accessible it has been to connect with other musicians around the world in a genuine way. I enjoyed hearing raag music for the first time online, without the thought "what if this is just AI fooling me?"... I probably will never hear it live, and thats sad, and even more sad if i'll never genuinely hear it online too..... or anything else i've never heard of before that does exist

[@Fierysigil]

Well, lets just say I got 0/5 correct.

[@000eternaloblivion]

aku setuju dengan anda dan memiliki kekhawatiran yang sama diatas semua ini.. aku merasa ini bukanlah yang terlihat sebenarnya seperti dipermukaan, aku sedikit kesulitan menjelaskan perasaan ini.. bersamaan rasa takut pada momen terkini, semuanya tidaklah sesederhana.. dan berkemungkinan menjadi pedang bermata dua, aku adalah orang yang sangat negatif demikianlah kecenderungan terhadap kemungkinan buruk dimasa mendatang yang secara tidak terduga dan telah disiapkan diam-diam.. sejujurnya.. aku merasakan kesulitan mendeskripsikan hal ini, dan aku merasa selaras dengan penjelasan anda.. terimakasih.

[@Flakpanzerofficial]

What’s the song at 2:02 I love that riff

[@darknessovmystery]

I had listened to the “Hail Darkness” AI experiment which was a group of people who hid the creation of it, made physical merch and sold it for profit. The problem I have with it is that these people hid the fact of it. I think it’s going to diminish people from writing songs, and keep music underground. It will effect access to the equipment to make this art in the future. Eventually getting musical gear could be difficult to buy because why make a nice guitar when it can be created with a computer? I’ve seen the creation of hip hop using samples and that became an issue with taking the creatives rights away. With AI, it will keep the impulsive culture of I need it now to push the narrative of music away from what we enjoy.

[@walterwallman3566]

This just makes me want to go to more concerts. If I've seen the band live then it seems pretty reasonable to think that their music is "authentic".

[@0s0s0s0-z9j]

Moin farvann , kannst du bitte ein neues video posten ich warte jetzt schon einen monat

[@CemeteryCorvus]

My guesses 1 real 2 real 3 every local band ever, real 4 a.i? 5 real Lol I got nervous at 4 since I felt like they couldn't possibly be all real

[@fatmanpez]

The thing about people these days that didn't already learn guitar, bass, drumms, synth or any instrument up to now is that a lot of people take it for granted now, why learn how to play and record it yourself when you can download a program to do everything for you by pressing a few things and type lyrics to be sung digitally? ( and sound terrible, never heard decent vocals in an Ai song. . .) I love playing my instruments, sure it takes time to write a song, compose each part, record and mix it and then listen to it the next day and realize you need to rewrite the whole thing, but I feel like a problem is a lot of people new to it see that and see Ai being easier. As much as I hate elitists and gatekeepers in metal, the best way to prevent Ai in metal is honestly to look down on it when people bring up that they are going to use it for their project and encourage them to pick up an instrument and a cheap interface, if they say that's too much to learn tell them to make an Ambient Space Black Metal project. . . if that's too hard for them tell them to do Blackened Shogaze.

[@INTERCEPTOR310]

Ich denke schon seit Monaten über dieses Problem nach und es stört mich als Musiker sehr. Ich glaub ich mach das angefangeneAlbum fertig und dann ist Feierabend. Ich versteh deine Angst.

[@MrTwiggy73]

Its a very valid concern. Either we indeed have to constantly wonder if new music is real and wether its 'ok' to like or not, or we just have to decide that it doesnt matter how it was made. But that would, imo at least, completely destroy the value of any real artists. I think the compromise will be that AI generated art (or just anything made by AI) should be labelled. Cause it really would create just existential crises for everyone if you have to spend your life wondering if anything is even real.

[@olganesterowicz2112]

I still wanna be a rock star and metal musician, too. I'm preparing myself to become one, despite the AI threats against musicians. I have a weird idea that as a musician, I'm not gonna perform in the concert halls, but in travelling circuses. The only thing I gotta do now, is to register the brand in Poland and there I go. Tell me, is it a good idea? The only problem is that I don't have a rock band, yet.

[@MorrisHGT]

What band is in the first song. Sounds really epic

[@LASA-d5l]

The invention of the camera did not make the art of painting die, but further liberated the art of painting and gave birth to the art of photography. Smartphones integrated with cameras allow everyone to take photos and post them on social media, and the art of photography has not died.The role of art is to preserve human emotions and perceptions for a moment, not just to use a tool to make a product. Tools don't matter, people do. So, I think AI music is a good thing, it will give everyone the right to create their own music, and at the same time, it will also allow real music to return to art.

[@DisFunctor]

I think it is kinda scary. I suppose the only hope I have is that live performances are still very important. I go see live performances of bands in genres I don't even really enjoy and it's still an amazing experience.

[@HailSigfrid]

I want to know Farvanns opinion on Keller Synth/Tänzelcore

[@Redwizard88000]

Das letzte Black Metal Beispiel klingt ja mal mega, brauch sofort den Namen

[@memethulhu3037]

@@Farvannrelease it 🥺🙏

[@paulezuckerbacker1228]

One positive Thing about KI is , If you are a good musician but not an good Artist, i mean painting. Or you dont know anyone . KI can make you very good Cover arts. And we as Fans of "Underground" music are new to this. Who ever listened to Pop all the Time, i think they dont think much about that.

[@wyoryn3190]

While listening to the songs, I indeed was wondering, if all of them were human-made and if it was a trick question. I wasn't so sure about number one, but I figured I just don't know this subgenre to judge it properly. *If* I had to pick one "AI" song, I would have chosen number three. But in the end I didn't want to do that, because if all of them were human-made, it would have been an insult to the artists calling their music that. So I am typing this already knowing the result, but this was my train of thought while listening to them.

[@MatthewJBrehm]

The fact that the black metal song was high quality had me concerned that it was AI😓

[@Hellenicheavymetal]

ha probably the majority of black metal today is high quality but of course there's still some that's not too.

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

If band would add something new in their music I would know it's not AI. But most punk or death/thrash metal bands are pretty similar so it's easy to use AI to create these genres.

[@IaS_AI]

If you can´t tell the difference why do you care? Making the music is just a craft, like playing the guitar, writing the songs, aranging the song and crafting the lyrics is the art. If AI does the craft its ok for me as long as the art is good.

[@Hermetica_1994]

Hey Farvann you should listen to Hermética wich is an argentinian metal band that was really important for the argentinian metal scene it ain't black metal but hope you listen to it and like it.

[@bulletflight416]

I think that every art is a representation of our world, of the experience of being in our world, by making another world in our minds, creating a world of another level. So why AI could not do the same thing being a less resoluted copy of ourselves. But there is another way to create new music using computer, it can be generated by randomizer with some scale and rythm rules, so it'll be just a random world with no base level, may be it should be a pure creation in this context. However we never know how randomity is realy random, cause we can't look so far.

[@SIRAPUKAplus]

For some time now I only listen to AI black metal. FARVANN, YOU ARE FIRED!!!

[@guitaristslair]

I was thinking all of them were ai 💀

[@HeathenDance]

Same ahah.

[@esbelion]

This should be something to worry about and not so for the portion that involves creativity, but because there's no clear regulation whatsoever. This AI thing is not intended for entertainment but to dehumanize in regards to the problem that art is solving and to that extent we can talk about property, licensing and most importantly... Revenue. It is a model created to industrialize a very human activity and make it basically worthless, just like any other commodity these days. And that... Involves our very existence. It is both fascinating and scary in a very strange, almost distopian way. Cheers!

[@mojyoqueen350]

I am young, so when I discover "new music" it's mostly songs from time when I was a child, or before I was born. There was no ai then, so I know they're ai-free. With new songs? I have few trusted bands and I don't listen to other fresh songs. So the thought from your video didn't even cross my mind. But I think that if we are able to tell ai generated images, then we probably learn to tell ai songs as well. The songs from your video sounded pretty organic, and not generic.

[@noeliacabezacalderon9598]

Idk if we are worried for no reason. The only thing I know is that I'm terrified. To me AI generated stuff hold no real value. It lacks of authenticity and there's nothing to be fascinated about or even appreciate in the slightest

[@tehcwankery69420]

i guess this is where the whole art objectivity/subjectivity argument comes into play..transparency when it comes to creating music is beneficial..however, at the end of the day, everyone's personal tastes are going to factor into whether or not they like something regardless of it being ai..ppl like what they like and nothing will change that..the problem arises when we become complacent and too dependent on ai..

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

you are right to worry. i don't know why people in general aren't more worried about AI and what it can be used for. the incredibly dangerous applications are countless but the fact that we'll be fed uninspired slop in every media and will have to wonder if it's ai or not is truly horrific

[@joaochagas6466]

That same kind of thought got me when I started to see people wondering in comment section in rym and accusing bands to be IA, it's a "boring" feeling, disappoints me a lot just to think about that stuff, its definately cheating and I feel BETRAYED.

[@PavelPravda]

I have the same feelings...

[@muzyczneretrospekcje]

It is true i was wondering if they are real... ai think You are right we shouldcbe worry a bit... But I really hope that it will pass like many things that are trendy.

[@lindendrache8998]

Danke Farvann! (I thought you would say "everything is AI generated"... to shock everybody) Yes, it is changing the listening experience and I fully agree on the "you don't understand the fundamentals of art" to all the "AI is great"-A**holes. This is what changes art to empty "content". My music feed on youtube gets filled with AI stuff more and more... It is pretty sad. I still think you can hear it on the voices, if something is AI-generated, because they still sound stlightly... off. I think we are drifting in a pretty sad future for culture - Music, Drawings, Books and soon enough even movies... Our era of decadence needs to come to an end. Maybe AI is just another sign that we have reached peak 7 deadly sins - Sloth = AI. Everything else we already did...

[@casjorjcr1132]

Most commercial music, movie soundtracks, TV shows, commercials... almost all commercial music (the kind that people get paid to make) will be made with AI because it's cheaper than paying a composer. People in general won't care, and there will be AI music hits that will establish the normality and coolness of AI music. In the underground, if there's no money, only those who really make music for the love of music will remain. But no one will find them because everything will be flooded with AI music. This is my satanic Nostradamus prediction.

[@zapiexa4947]

At this point you can still judge on vocals when it's AI or not. At this point I haven't heard any AI song where vocals didn't sound really specific and artificial. Ofc I'm talking about whole music made by AI, like uido (I know this one because some memes came from that), not the RVC vocal covers because RVC can do things really well and really hard to guess it's AI. And there are 2 possibilities: AI music will become better and more human like, especially in vocals or still artificial because yeah, it's always improves but also it's learning from itself which is kinda inbreeding so I assume that some mistakes, artifices and stuff can also increses. So if the first way - it will be as bad as you are worring, in the second one maybe there's still a light in the tube. But imo the worst thing is not similarity of AI music to real music and feeling "Is this really human?". For me the worst thing which is absolutely horrible is something that happened to Ola Englund and it can happen again. If you don't know, Ola was frequently playing some kind of riffs written by him or written on fly during recording videos. And some time ago someone just stole his riffs to make AI music and send it to streamings via Tencent and suddently Ola get copyrights claims for the riffs was that he invented himself. And the basic fact is that AI can't exsist without human art and, at least at this point, it can only redo what someone have done with some minor changes from mixing lot of works. That can be a point to sue AI companies and I heard that some labels wanted to sue uido for unlicensed usage of songs released by them to teach AI

[@Marpai14]

What a fucking strange time to be alive.

[@a1m4thah3d]

I actually assumed those were all AI to begin with lol. But its not just music where you have to ask yourself "Is this AI?"....its everything now. Every picture you see on the internet could be AI generated, "people" you talk to online, YT videos, etc. I don't know how things in other countries are but in America you have a lot of people that don't trust the news or...anything, really. AI is only going to make that problem worse with things like deep fakes. AI is such a wonderful tool to help productivity (i use it to help me with programming) but I strongly believe AI IS Pandora's Box and it should never have been made so easily available to the general public, let alone to corporations to profit off of it. AI has improved so much in just the last three years and I can only imagine how damn powerful it'll be in ten years. You have every right to be concerned.

[@Saddest_Girl_Story]

Anything regurgitated by AI is the antithesis of art, but I'm yet to worry about this because most of the music that I listen to was released before 2020. You can spend your entire life listening to music (even if it's a single genre) from any decades or even years of your choice, and you'll never run out of great music and music that you love still. Not saying that all modern music sucks, just that there is so much music out there from every era and time period that there is very little chance that you don't find something you like. Another thing that could help prove that a band is genuine is to check if they have live performances. Regarding the death of art, we can't really do much about it other than shunning the so-called "artists" who take part in such machiney activities.

[@helgaketurka]

Look, when I create my KZbin videos (2 different topics), I use AI because I don't want to have copyright issues and background music is very important to me. But believe me, no AI music resource produces music where you can't even guess that it's AI. Sometimes I spend hours trying to get an acceptable sound/melody that doesn't sound weird, cheap, etc.secondly, as with any kind/object of art, we buy not only the product, but also the "story". When we find a song we like, we want to know more about the artist, as a rule. This greatly affects the perception. At this stage, I would not worry, but the future does not inspire hope in me in principle, so we will see🤷

[@morganmetalmajor]

i agree that we become more developed. by the computer and stuff. and ai. im play a band my self. dont rly like the computer stuff like modern rap and hip hop even if i like the old hip hop like beasty boys. but i can feel your concern about it. terminator next?

[@Lotastic_Films]

I was truly relieved to hear that all of them are real, but I get the point. I'm worried myself too since AI will get so good eventually that it will replace the human in the Art.

[@deadiwtd1858]

With ai present. The best you can do as a musician is do what people do. Perform live, a lot. That is a freedom we have as people, that is real

[@NevetsTSmith]

I figured they'd be either entirely or not at all AI, but I definitely have a new brain worm that makes me overanalyse images. It's gotten to be a habit for me and I find myself looking for six fingers and whatnot in things I even know for sure are human made.

[@DesolateSolitude]

We will need a warning label on each cd. “NO AI WAS USED IN THE MAKING OF THIS ALBUM.”

[@insertstolenusername5306]

your age, life, where you live, what youve lived trough, and what you enjoy doesnt matter. if this doesnt severly concern you, theres something wrong with you. especially if youre an artist

[@robertperner7196]

As sophisticated as AI can get, it will never understand human emotions enough to touch listeners on a deeper level. People will always need an outlet and find new ways to express themselves. AI can only mimic what already exists. My wife is a fine artist and has been concerned with AI artwork for a few years now. She has a good eye for art: strokes, golden rectangle, composition, etc. She is pretty damn good at telling human art and AI art apart. There'd always be parts of the image that don't mesh together, making it obvious that individual elements were crafted by different human artists with their own signature strokes. And quite frankly, AI art is simply bland and forgettable. Flashy maybe, but you've seen it all before and that is the whole point. As for music, I have come to appreciate the little imperfections that I notice here and there. Besides, I always look up bands on MA first anyway.

[@martinrasmussen8745]

My taste in metal evolved in the 90's - and that kind of music evolved very differently than today. There is not money in music anymore, yeah its normal that obscure bands have jobs too, but ways of income is limited. The music industry, greedy ways of the world, and our access to "free" music - just dillutes everything over time.. AI or whatever is gonna happen - is just the next step into a dim future for music and the all of the above. AI is only as good as the programmers behind it, and eventually used for economic gains rather than benefits for anybody . My pessimistic outlook has not been wrong for some decades now - downfall of everything is ongoing and human made quality music are the least of my worries..

[@wtvabro]

What were the songs you used?

[@nicola6323]

I liked the first song!

[@Humppakostaja]

I was a bit surprised when you said they are all real songs, because my best guess was that they were all created by AI. I guess this proves your point.

[@metallus3080]

I was so paranoid and cautious I thought all those songs sounded like AI.

[@Percyco]

If I'm not wrong, AI cannot train with itself. This means that it can only replicate something humans have already done, it means it cannot innovate any genre. Eventually we would get sick of hearing the same things over and over and over again. if 10.000 humans started generating 20 songs a day for 3 months straight we would have 18 MILION SONGS in that short time period, you think something new is gonna come out of it when all AI has is a common source? A humain has to fetch AI some sort of new key, unless we want to be completely doomers about it and say that we ALREADY have discovered everything there is in music, which is always a possibility.

[@TehPhuzzy]

Just trust your ear and the network you've made to find the good'ens. There's plenty out there for a lifetime of listening and even if is does happen, easy change of direction, eh.

[@Blackmoth-33]

I thought the first 4 were AI and the last one human but tbh if I was listening without knowing any could be AI, I’d not know. It is scary, yes we should be concerned.

[@Tystros]

So far, I have not heard a single actually good metal song that was made by AI. And I like testing every new AI tool that comes out. So at the moment, I'm quite sure that if I like a song, it's definitely made by a human. But it actually really annoys me how my "Release Radar" or "Discover Weekly" on Spotify recently actually contains multiple newly released AI generated songs every week - if I want to find cool new songs/bands with the recommendations from Spotify (and I really found many cool bands over the years through Spotify recommendations that I'd never have heard about otherwise), then I hate having those low quality AI songs in between. So I wish Spotify would have some checkbox to tick that I do not want to see AI songs in my recommendations. But if AI songs would become same good like human made songs, then I actually would not mind that at all - I do not need music to be made by humans. I only care about if I like listening to the music, I don't discriminate between humans or machines. For me it's basically the same topic like that I do not care about if the human creator of some music is a good human or not - I could happily enjoy their music even if they're the worst person on the planet.

[@startingfireofficial]

I really thought that the 5 songs was made by AI. There are so common and generic, Idk how to express this, but didn't seems made by real people. What I'm extreme convinced is that maybe some part of these songs could be made by computer and others made by real people and nowadays is so possible that makes me scared. And I'm 26 so don't think it is about age

[@startingfireofficial]

@@Farvann ahah what an horrible figure! but ehy.. you answer to me, it's a success however 😂

[@startingfireofficial]

@@Farvann i think that now the software to create music are so sofisticated and so near to reality that make you in doubt for everything ahah

[@nikolaytrofimov4175]

Out of all these songs I thought the first one was close to AI, because of those weird... ughh... can you call that vocals? Good example of what AI can do with extreme music like black metal - there is a whole Krallice "DIOTIMA" album on YT, that was played by AI. But the thing is that Krallice's music is already chaotic enough, it creates uncanny valley feeling by itself. Played by AI - well, it's just sounds similar, because of the chaotic nature. On a serious matter - in my opinion AI usage should be restricted in commercial use. Another area of AI usage is voice acting. This concerns me even more, - SAG AFTRA is already on strikecause voice actors can possibly lose their jobs. And - no wonder - SAG AFTRA is already on strike. One Japanese VA agency already signed a contract for using one of their well-known actress' voice for AI learning. Basically her voice will be automatically translated into English, German, Russian by AI. If this thing becomes viral, this just cuts not one, but instantly 5 or 10 working places - because who needs English voice actor for Japanese project, if they can take one actor's voice and use AI? "AI" in music - well, it's already used (kinda) - drum machines, infamous Goodizer and (worst one imo) autotune. And I know that some people heavily dislike or even refuse to listen to music, that has drum machines.

[@titouancherel1092]

IA is kinda scary for everybody, art but also for science. For example im studying ingeneering and chatgpt help me but i use it rarely. Meanwhile a lot of people in my class only use chatgpt for project and even if its often kinda bad it progressed compared to last year and even the year prior. If the bot can be as good as human for engineering things what will i do, i wont have a job for what i studied.

[@michaelbau8837]

Please tell me how the first song of the video is called ?

[@kundam12]

i was thinking that half the song or every song were made by ai you are actually right but i think that ai music is something outside metal music or band music so music were you can know the band or something