Hot Takes and Unpopular Opinions on Black Metal

I asked you guys about your unpopular opinions on Black Metal. What you can see is that the biggest disputes exist between Old School Black Metal fans and Modern Black Metal fans.
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[@Farvann]

Here's the video with Bradley 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWfRf35-erebasU

[@CyberChrist]

Thanks for those who won't have to look for it \m/

[@octomanf-zero]

As often as you advertise this video, the amount you have to pay Bradley back for his appearance must be enormous. 😂

[@tylerattwood9392]

I would love to her your opinion on zeal and ardor

[@Farvann]

@@octomanf-zero 🤣

[@Farvann]

All he gets is a nice warm ale at a pub once I visit England again

[@user-zk6tg5zb2u]

Once, my mom tought I was listening to metal, but it turned out to be just my neighbour cutting a tree with a chainsaw. I still laugh about it

[@Farvann]

The irony should really make us question our existence 🤣

[@G3E007]

and why a chainsaw cannot be goregrind? honestly xddd

[@Malkav65]

One morning, my air conditioner was making weird grinding and clanking noises, waking up my wife, and she asked me to turn down my music I had been listening to a lot of Einstürzende Neubauten at the time 😅

[@edwardunwichtig2537]

Stuff like this happens to me XD It happened way too often that I was just sitting down to hold a conversation or whatever and out of nowhere "wait are my headphones still on?" No. It was random noise from outside XD

[@morbideddie]

One of my fave memories was at a festival where me and my friends thought a generator next to the camp site were drums on the main stage. It legit sounded like a double bass pedal, heavy AF.

[@tehdogefather6546]

I love how Farvan tells us to separate art from artists, but Dead not liking cats is where he draws the line. 😂🤘😾

[@MirrorMansionQ]

I'm not sure if it's debunked or not, but didn't they say in interviews that Dead used to actively try to kill cats?

[@xronos76]

yeah, but he said it with "ironic" smile .... anyway, Dead was right, I also dislike cats as their meat is somehow strange (prefer rabbits much more)

[@UnixAnt]

Gatekeeping isn't 100% bad. Gatekeeping maintains standards, and this is important. Standards prevent the scene from being diluted. Being an elitist prick, however, and purposely excluding new people from the scene who are curious, but clueless, is bad.

[@Remedy462]

Not to mention those standards that people have, they themselves don't consistently maintain because I garuntee there are songs and bands they like but won't admit to themselves and others and human beings are naturally inconsistent creatures because of our stream of consciousness. Let people like and make music they like, diversity is incredibly healthy and the natural state of the world. Expand your horizons.

[@ilovefuzzycats]

@@Remedy462realest take yet

[@antonkovalenko364]

Agreed.

[@taddybear4244]

Based. If someone's interested and just scratched the surface, and think they've reached the apotheosis of black metal with Nymphetamine, I'll gently nudge them in the right direction. I won't throw them straight into Jew Atomizer but I'll recommend a sample box of bands to get a feel for their preferences.

[@Triiplesiix]

@DarthMizinthI like some of the rawest shit out there. And I don’t see what’s wrong with having cradle as a fav. Myself and many many others tend to like albums more than bands. Cradle has amazing albums. Did they get corny and a bit commercial? Absolutely. Are the first 2 records and the ep in between some of the greatest albums ever? Absolutely.

[@Hrotriks]

My opinions...As I am older I dont care anymore if it is true or kvult or postblackmetal or whatever , if I like the song it is good in my book. Also Blackmetal is so alike to the romanticism artistic movement in many aspects. I often wonder why no one ever talks about that.

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Some do like at DMU/DLA, this concept is a central theme

[@Remedy462]

I used to be super anal about subgenre classifications, now I don't really care as long as I like the music and I've come across so many bands where they are subgenre fluid and have multiple influences even in one single song so it is hard to classify. I'm basically like, "Yeah, I think this is mostly post-metal, but they got other stuff so fuck it, the music rips."

[@evilii]

Yeah I have the exact same feeling about this. When I was younger I had more "purist" thoughts about what the music should sound and be for me to like it. Now that I'm over twice the age than back then, 20 years ago, I take everything in as it is. For me it's more of the "feel" what the song and/or band brings in.

[@solidago1041]

NOOO my favourite band is a blend of blackened death thrash and speed metal with norwegian folk music and industrial influences and I must refer to them as such every single time I speak about them completely umprompted

[@Hrotriks]

@@solidago1041 LOL

[@cheekibreekibree1025]

Not Farvann unintentionally sounding Swedish af while trying to impersonate a bri'ish accent 😂

[@WailLmo3enkich]

Farvann jst discovered another way to do Q&A videos without really doing them😂

[@Farvann]

hahahaha

[@vestridreaming]

Shhh- if you say that too loudly this series may go away too! (Joking only jokes I promise hahah)

[@patrickwilliamson29]

"I stay away from TikTok because I think it is the most garbage thing ever humanity has ever invented" Mate, trver things have never been said

[@HeathenDance]

Coming from a German, though, is the ultimate irony lol.

[@Athens2021]

TikTok is only good if it's a woman gyrating in hot skimpy skirts. The rest is for dumbasses with the attention span of a housefly.

[@dyzphoriia]

​@@HeathenDance tiktok is worse

[@feodorfiorina7835]

Does KZbin shorts 😂

[@vestridreaming]

Here in the U.S. a lot of people call Ghost metal. I have even heard people say Nickleback is metal here- it's a very odd place with people who hold odd opinions.

[@WFly101]

I've never heard anybody call Nickelback metal but then again I've never heard anybody talk about metal

[@vestridreaming]

I wish I were joking, there are a lot of people that feel like when they hear a distorted guitar that it automatically makes the music metal or something I swear. Discussing metal with people who enjoy metal music can be fun, but discussing metal music with the average "I like every genre of music" person that typically only listens to top radio hits can be tedious / amusing at times. @@WFly101

[@-47-]

I've heard one or two metal songs by Nickelback, but to call either of these a metal band is ridiculous

[@Remedy462]

Yeah, I call Ghost Pop Metal. They are in the metal genre, they write great, catchy music, but they are not a Metal band. They are a Pop Metal band. I do love Ghost too.

[@pate7179]

Its satanic abba metal 😂 i love ghost

[@Poemwriter_Angelo]

Well i must say that a burzum Tshirt is actualy shocking from the most bands that are out there at least.. i had this new coworker at work that had a 2 months contract. and he was always silent, never spoke to anyone. and then he showed up at work wearing a burzum shirt. none of my colleagues think anything about it or even know what "burzum" is. but to me it felt like the pieces of the puzzle fall together why he is the way he is. as if i got more answers. so i called him out on his tshirt and he said that he really is into black metal. he liked bands like silencer, mayhem, darkthrone and more classics. and we had a long pleasant conversation about that. since i also like black metal. later on my boss came to me and he said that he heard from people that this new guy barely talks to anyone and seems to be very introvert and silent. and that people can't get more than 2 sentences out of him, and that they feel a bit uneasy around him. my boss said that he has been observing him from a distance and that he was surprised to see him having a quite long conversation with me. So my boss asked me what we where talking about XD

[@jayceegee258]

A Burzum shirt is shocking?

[@Poemwriter_Angelo]

@@jayceegee258 well not on most people. But on him, yes. He kinda had a this mysterious vibe you know. Like some kind of extremist being into burning churches kinda vibe. And him being so silent has kinda shown that he really might be a different person on the inside. Until i spoke to him about black metal.

[@jayceegee258]

@@Poemwriter_Angelo I see what you mean.. I have a Burzum shirt so I gotta make sure I don't come off like that lol

[@xx_villager12_xx97]

I think Burzum is shocking also because of Varg political orientation...

[@mike902]

@@jayceegee258 I would just assume that you're a nazi sympathizer.

[@LePopPathetique]

I always used to see black metal as an art form beyond what we call the "metal scene" even tho it is metal, its been explored in so many ways sonically and in atmosphere that it stands as a genre on its own far from the norm and thats exactly what made me fall in love with the music

[@peternicolini4751]

Unless they are people who are not real metal and only play dress up. Real heavy metal people don’t play dress up only in concerts or for their mom, they are real people, always metal 24/7. And it is completely natural for who is real

[@LePopPathetique]

@@peternicolini4751 you didnt understood anything from what i wrote lol - its okay

[@HeathenDance]

@@LePopPathetique Watch your grammar. "You didn't UNDERSTAND." Not "Didn't UNDERSTOOD."

[@ThreadBomb]

@@peternicolini4751 You are talking about clothes, not music.

[@peternicolini4751]

@@ThreadBomb No, I am talking EXACTLY about music. Learn the history of metal before speaking if you didn’t live it first hand. And there is no difference between the two, there cannot be one without the other, and don’t call them clothes, it is image, distinctive from the Masses. But nobody ever thought about it in reality, it was just completely natural. Metal is not only music as is not only image or philosophy. If you separate the pack, any of the pieces, it is simply NOT metal anymore. Weather the music, the image or the spirit. They are one. Only outsiders who DON’T want to sacrifice to Metal cannot understand this. It’s like the difference between bikers and civilians, just without Any club or written rule… and THIS is the Magic of Metal, what makes it special. It must be spontaneous to be real. Fake can be spotted immediately or neophytes (which are very welcome at any age if authentic). There are no written rules, but if you go too much astray it becomes simply something else. Black Metal comes from the Heavy Metal scene. Black Metal IS HEAVY METAL. Go look where Black Metal comes from. I want to share something with the younger ones here, because maybe you were not even born, in the 80’s, Before came up all these fancy names to define metal (if you are metal fans you know how many there are) there were many bands that were like Black Metal in the music and atmosphere. Just nobody called it Black Metal because the term didn’t exist yet. The more commercial the more fake, but in the underground where 1000 of bands you NEVER EVEN HEARD OF existed, there already were bands that today could have been considered Black Metal. Real Metal strives in the underground, in the local bands unknown, not in the commercial product made to sell. That is where the real metal scene is or was (not sure anymore). In the dark crapy recordings and demo cassettes and concerts of local bands in unknown abandoned places. That is Real Metal. And that is where Black Metal (only a name) came from

[@broncoxy]

My hot take (idk if thats a hot ta, but it fits the topic): Black Metal is actually a lot closer to lots of electronic music (especially older ones) than many BM-heads might want to admit. (Almost) Every other metal subgenre is mostly about writing songs, while BM often times creates a musical, evolving soundscape more akin to electronic music... It's less about the message and more about the experience.

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Varg has said he got inspiration from going to raves, that massive wall of strobing sound they have there, one can see where the giant, encompassing atmosphere of Hvis lyset tar oss came from. It's still purely metal but electronic was a big influence for sure.

[@GrossePutea5Dollards]

I'm not sure this is a hot takes. Just a theory and a excellent one btw... it's an excellent theory to think about the black metal universe amd his impact on listeners.

[@-47-]

Not sure if it's a hot take. With the amount of dungeon synth and dark ambient that's incorporated into black metal, it's quite transparent.

[@broncoxy]

@@-47- I was about to add the dungeon synth part, but I also think that some parts of the bm community seem to really enjoy that more extreme kind of breakbeat music and other, less dance- and more atmosspheric/ambient-focused electro genres.

[@HeathenDance]

90 % of Metal is considered Black Metal lol. Everything that has the guitars equalized in treble and doesn't sound happy like Iron Maiden is considered Black Metal. Period.

[@willf3556]

Really like this “instagram q&a” video format. Would love to see more of it in the future.

[@SilkCutJaguarXJR-]

10:49 This is a point that deserves so much more attention imo, music made with raw production and played with little technical ability was something born out of punk rock music that BM would do very similarly in the 90s

[@pedroh.g.8071]

Kanonenfieber is fucking GREAT. Blackned Death Metal with amazing ideas and execution. Nice video!

[@counterspell69]

they are death metal with like 10% black metal. But they are best band in many many years. Their EU tour was sick

[@afinedaytodie666]

You also hear an „Core“ Influence on their new Song Kampf und Sturm in my opinion. Their Guitarists are really big into Deathcore. And it sounds fckn great, even if it’s not that Blackened anymore

[@counterspell69]

@@afinedaytodie666 Dont Mr. Noise write all music?

[@morgang5666]

​@@counterspell69He threw a signed picture into the crowd, and It hit me in the eye.

[@zacharystieber216]

Damn dude, I didn’t know you’re Durbatuluk! Thanks for the CD! (That was really nice that you gave a discount for the spine)

[@ianstotts8853]

I wish Kanonenfieber would make their sound quality a little less polished, but I really like them. The whole premise of their song writing was what initially grabbed my attention, and when I read the lyrics to Der Füsilier knowing what I now know- it guts me every time I listen to it

[@coomerdark6524]

Honestly i love the high production quality. Especially the drums. And their lyrics are awesome too. I remember sitting on the bus on my ride home listening to Der Füsilier and having to concentrate to not shed a tear.

[@alucard3317]

Ins Niemandsland is such a Banger, The line: Die Augen zu, das Herz verbrannt, so schicken Sie uns in das Niemandsland, Is so catchy and heartbreaking to me at the same time, love it

[@kuroinamida4630]

the thing with Noise is, with Kanonenfieber is that he researches all the topics he writes about and puts heavy emphasis on being historically accurate. also, if you like Kanonenfieber maybe try Noise's other Projects Non Est Deus and Leipa

[@frogoree]

Haven't been watching long but I really appreciate and agree with your perspectives on black metal, especially when you talk about the soul and aesthetics of it. It's my favorite genre and we share many of the same sentiments.

[@RickLilShore]

YES! Ghost is basically a tribute band to all the 60's - 80's music that Tobias Forge listened to as a youngster. The masks and satanic imagery are just added spectacle to make it more interesting and fun. And that's what Ghost is above all, fun!

[@RickLilShore]

And if it gets some of these mainstream music listeners interested in actual talented musicians playing their instruments, instead of drum machines and computer crap, that's a win in my eyes.

[@user-ju7zb6mz1n]

Ghost is gay af😂

[@JayThomasofficial]

Btw that wasn’t directed at user ju whatever ur name is man. Hope it didn’t come off that way . .. ::puts on ghost record :: Oh hey I kinda think this is what dead put on before the .. u know ..

[@Tha3rdworldghost]

I use to think Watain were overrated, but then I saw them live in New Zealand, and I was absolutely blown away by their performance.

[@HeathenDance]

Watain is genuinely great. In the digital era, when most people's attention spam is so reduced, I'm actually surprised to know that they have a secure fanbase. I only have one of their albums on CD, "Lawless Darkness", and it's top notch quality from start to finish.

[@lauradessauer2316]

Same, I always thought they were meeh and then I saw them live, almost got hit by a torch and now I'm a fan 😂

[@RustyDarlington]

Fuck yeah was that in Wellington? Absolutely brutal show!

[@Tha3rdworldghost]

@@RustyDarlington Yep Wellington at Valhalla. Hopefully they will come back.

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

Underrated

[@sanderambroos5210]

I must say that this channel has been great as a beginner dabbeling into black metal! I come from mostly death metal and was always curious about black metal but never knew how to start since I always got the feeling a lot of people in the scene where "elitists" and didn't like a noob trying to get into the genre hahaha! But so far everyone seems cool, and the video's are great for helping me find my way into the scene! Starting to discover a lot of local Belgian bands aswel!

[@ShotgunBoy7]

Almost 100k bro,you will get them fast ❤

[@shagstars]

Difference with 2nd wave and after is that the bm after it is more harder to play, use a bit more melodies or added more folk (medieval like) sound in their mix. Also the music is mixed better but not over the top good ofcourse. Most of the time its easier for people to get into that than with the second wave music because if it I guess.

[@nocomment9921]

Black metal is the only metal genre i have had a hard time getting into. But i really like your videos haha so keep it up.

[@morbidcorpse5954]

You don't get into black metal. Black metal gets into you.

[@nocomment9921]

@@morbidcorpse5954 hahaha fair enough bro

[@morbidcorpse5954]

@@nocomment9921 No. I'm just sitting here being an idiot. Music comes to people in different ways. Happy belated Thanksgiving!

[@Alex_Christcrusher]

What bands have you listened to?

[@nocomment9921]

@@morbidcorpse5954 i understood man! ❤️ i can take a joke. I didnt choose the hood life it chose me

[@_hjnw_]

There are so many iconic moments in this video, even from the first 2 seconds when you mentioned the "platform for photos" xD

[@cookiesontoast9981]

10:25 I understand and in some ways agree with your point, but honestly I love all 3 of those sounds haha. I love it when it sounds like a "broken toaster" I love it when it sounds raw but just right. I also love it when it sounds modern and clean. I just love the sound of the genre no matter the audio quality or why it was made. But I also agree that it's best when it sounds and is made for reasons you stated.

[@Bembelrocker]

It all depends on the band and what I want to get out of it at a certain moment. I enjoy Burzum on some misty mornings and the qualitiy has to be exactly like it is...and sometimes clean sound is what I'm looking for, so...

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

well. farvann loves to pretend to be alpha and omega about bm. there is a reason those kind of albums have many fans. ppl like that kind of sound design and quality. idk , maybe it soothes them

[@ThreadBomb]

I hate that super-slick sound in metal (or anything). I call it "euro", because it seems predominant in Germany and Scandinavia.

[@RedmarKerkhof]

Here's my hot take: Goats are a terrible symbol of Satanism. I work at a petting zoo and I can assure you, they are just goofy eyed blobs on stilts. They are adorable little idiots, fluffy dumbasses. I love them very much, but evil they are not. If any animal embodies untamability, it's the nocturnal predator known as the common house cat. (which I love too) Think about it.

[@edroseptic9442]

Well.. the goat symbolism is far older than any metal music

[@PhillStone]

There's a goat pen near me, can confirm this.

[@impulse_xs]

Idk I’ve worked on farms and goats can be pretty territorial sometimes and won’t back down. Definitely not an animal that emanates demon energy though. They’re way too stupid to be evil lmao.

[@TheTobesOfHades]

that was so funny and entertaining, thank you!

[@AvarTyrog]

Why shouldn't fans wear corpse paint? Often they have bands themselves and if someone can feel the music better in it when he is listening, then go for it.

[@amandahaase7534]

Recently I heard the newest Hexvessel album and I found a playlist from one of the members with some musics that inspired him to go more in Black Metal way in this album (the other one that I knew are very much folk than the new one). Anyway, talking about this playlist he said that Black Metal is, for him, not JUST a genre but a way to live. I don't know exactly why but I totally agree with this. I love other kinds of metal gothic, power metal but anyone of this are so immersing in my opinion. So about the appearance, I really love and use it on my days (I'm a scientist and work on 2 labs), not so strong as an artist on stage, of course. I feel not just empowered, as you said, but I feel expressed; identified and that is really important to me.

[@theofficialsyyn]

as someone whos been making varieties of BM for a while now I can confirm that like many genres, the passion and emotion comes before all else. its translated into the paint, the shrieks and dissonant chord progressions.

[@MexiNorge]

the norwegian scene has been really inclusive and non gate keeping for several years now. Most gatekeepers dont even realize that their inspiration bands are really chill lmao

[@griefforest1870]

You can even make a case and look beyond the norwegian scene and BM in general - I don't want to pose another hot take here, but generally: Oftentimes musicians are way less gatekeepers or elitist than their fans. Nowadays Metal musicians often listen to all kinds of music to draw inspiration from, and even in the 80s and 90s various forms of electronic music influenced BM hence dungeon synth etc. Some BM musicians stated they don't listen to BM or even Metal but New Wave, Synth Pop or Folk music when they want to compose BM songs - if they even listen to anything at all.

[@WarMetalChud]

⁠@@griefforest18709/10 times the artists that don’t actually listen to metal make black metal that sucks balls though tbf lol

[@rubysoffner4557]

@@WarMetalChud 9/10 of metal artists, regardless of what they listen to, make music that sucks balls

[@vampmode9132]

Yeah lol on the fenriz commentary tracks he usually step by step explains the formula, the gear and which bands he listened to for inspiration on each riff

[@rubysoffner4557]

@@vampmode9132 Fenriz has always been into old heavy metal, speed metal , punk and crust (as well as electronic music). Even when Darkthrone went 'black metal, it was more of a return to old school music like Autopsy, Celtic Frost etc. . They have never made a secret that they just played music they liked, rather than making an edgy and new music genre i.e. black metal.

[@joehepworth8497]

I have worked in the music industry for 6 years now. My personal taste is UK Acid Techno. But the more time I spend working across all different genres and scenes the more I appreciate that people are just making music and expressing themselves. It's so easy for us to be snobs tell our selves that our scenes are superior but its all just taste.

[@gmney661]

“UK acid techno”

[@Enshadowed]

I love where you gave the examples of the black metal production 10:24

[@Glitteryy]

I love Fallen and Belus. Some of my favorites honestly. I agree with your opinion on the gatekeeping, Farvann.

[@alfredocorso2891]

I started to listen to black metal thanks to this channel. Thanks Farvann.

[@theangrybuddhaofficial]

Great video dude loved it

[@inpuris13]

13:00 just getting into it, started following your videos around the same time I was exploring more rock sub genres

[@bravooz852]

love ur channel i discoverd BM yesturday since i listen mostly on pop

[@Anonymous-wb3nz]

pop? Gross. Grow up.

[@frostogtaake]

Quality content right here. Keep it up!

[@agucci]

3:33 I think it wasn't about corpse paint, but about bands that wear those masks with eye slits, like actual bank robbers. Maybe even Mgla style, without any eye slits.

[@camikuu7884]

haha i like your sense of humor, hice video Farvann! Saludos desde Argentina.

[@Avliv_Satan]

That's strange, I quite like Kanonenfieber, the whole WW1 aesthetic and historical thing they have going on is quite cool to me, I also quite enjoy the music obviously.

[@OminousIllustrations]

Kanonenfieber are good and I didn't get why he said that

[@Hevnorak]

maybe because the guy behind Kanonenfieber is a bit scetchy. Buying klicks on yt or treating employees bad, I don't know if its actually all true.@@OminousIllustrations

[@snader5485]

@@Hevnorak is there any proof of this? i would like to see it to be honest. let me know

[@Hevnorak]

@@snader5485 Just leakt chat screenshots (Ger. only) and gossping as far as I know. I don't care that much tbh but some people really do.

[@boinaxuda-bt1ib]

hell yeah farvann!

[@PRXCYXN]

Ulcerate mentioned! My long time fav DM band.

[@cpfantastic5576]

I only listened to Stare Into Death and Be Still from Ulcerate which is fantastic. It has an awesome artwork as well.

[@radeksima2608]

Thanks for those Ghost, man 😎 Finally someone brings some insight into it.

[@Zmarog]

super video, more of that ! Weiter so !

[@didoVTDM]

The great feeling of discovering underground music died with the internet, remember the overcopied albumcovers, and re-re-recordings that sounds that have been done in the basement....of hell, i miss that, so i just listen to the golden classics of the 1990's and early 2000's

[@Farvann]

Well, I'm still trying to get a tape of the new Master Of Cruelty album. It's still not that easy 😅

[@afinedaytodie666]

i enjoy Lorna Shore, they have some good releases, are musically astonishing, and undeniably heavy. You can argue about an blackened influence on them. I described them once to a friend as blackened orchestral deathcore.

[@fcamiola]

cool description...I need to check them out more

[@afinedaytodie666]

@@fcamiola Listen to their Hellfire and Pain ramains trilogy’s, that’s their best work in my opinion :)

[@fcamiola]

​@@afinedaytodie666cheers mate...appreciate it

[@si-hv3nu]

Totally agree they are musically predominantly a symphonic black metal band much like fleshgod apocalypse with bits of prog,, deathcore and death metal thrown in the mix. Vocally he reminds me of Dani filth with his huge vocal range that covers all the extreme styles

[@kylepetruzziello3321]

It’s called blackened symphonic deathcore and it’s not black metal. It’s deathcore with very surface level influence from black metal. If it weren’t for the 13 breakdowns and their insane vocalist no one would care about them at all.

[@AvarTyrog]

Corpse paint is key to black metals identity

[@damnedbelowjudas_]

I like this video format, but some of the people asking questions clearly just started listening to Burzum a week ago

[@The_LaughingHyena]

I should not have taken a rip off the bong before that Carach Angren joke. I choked hard with laughter.

[@Farvann]

hahaha happy high flying

[@altnap]

Whoa ur at 99k early congrats on 100k!!

[@TheGourami11]

Nice shirt dude! Greetings von die Niederlanden!

[@arjanmessemaker4]

Nice shirt😏 Wederganger is one of my favorite Dutch Black Metal bands.

[@Martin-cn3bd]

The Baptism riff made me smile.

[@dksdmusic]

4:56 That’s Sorrow from Austere, superb band and a really good guy to talk with.

[@Springy_Cant_Stop]

Hello Farvann, I’m a big fan of your channel! I found this new band several months ago and it sounds really metal. The bands called Portal and I wanted to see if you could react to it! The first song that you could listen to first would be their 7th song “13 Globes” from their 2nd album Outre’. I don’t believe you would get this comment on youtube but it’s cool!

[@JBguitar-cj8pc]

Not a massive black metal fan but Mayhem is in my top five list of best bands I’ve seen live. I’ve traveled 8 years to Atlanta two years in a row just to see them. Totally worth it.

[@StarshipTrooper4231]

Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory etc. = First wave Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor etc. = Second wave That is what those people mean.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

15:19 *because it's a vibe.* The ambience of black metal but it's all calm and chill in a creepy way (chilling it could be called.)

[@ernodomokos1923]

Hails! What you think on Maniac Butcher? I know their Immortal ish look bit silly but the music is raw and good in my opion, lyrics ect

[@BiggusD77]

I would say that the 2nd wave died around 1995-96, when the infamous Norwegian bands (and others) were no longer underground. Or nearly died, at least. What came after that was a ton of bands that were inspired by the 2nd wave, but incorporated or mixed with other styles to create their own sound. I call this the third wave because there was a clear shift in the mid-nineties. But there are still bands today that make black metal of the same style and creed as the second wave. So I think it is fair to say that the underground "pure" stuff hasn't died out completely.

[@johnsmith970]

I like some Carach Angren. Please don't block me Farvann, I love you.

[@alexanderivanov8850]

Tolles Video! Erinnert mich an das Q&A Format! Das Beste Kommentar war, dass die meisten black metal Bands keine echte Erfahrung mit dem Teufel hatten. Wäre interessant zu erfahren, was seiner Meinung nach eine echte Erfahrung mit dem Teufel ist, da ja jeder vernünftige Mensch weiß, dass dieser nicht existiert. Naja, die meisten Bands wisse auch nicht so recht was sie da machen. Oft geht es um Provokation oder darum Aufmerksamkeit zu erwecken. Aber die meisten wollen damit das Christentum speziell oder im Allgemeinen jede Ideologie, die anderen gewaltsam Aufgezwungen wird und von den Eliten zur Kontrolle und Unterdrückung der Menschen benutzt wird, verhöhnen. Einige nahmen es aber auch zu ernst und haben eine eigene Religion um Satan oder ähnliche Begriffe gebaut. Als Beispiel fällt mir da Nödtveidt von Dissection ein. Er war Anhänger des Misanthropic Luciferian Order und seine Musik und die Texte fungierten als Propaganda für deren Weltanschauung. Was der Grund dafür ist, weshalb ich, Dissection meide, obwohl ich den melodic blackend death metal sound von denen recht gut finde, kann ich die Texte und deren Hintergrund nicht ignorieren. Was aus ihm wurde ist ja allgemein bekannt. Wenn der Kommentator so enden will, dann nur viel erfolg dabei.

[@sireffortlessgarbage7922]

Prevalent Resistance is my favorite black metal band. Everyone reading this should listen to them.

[@BrudnyJaskier]

I like your music and youtube channel even if I don't agree with everything what you are saying. I think that in times, when good quality of sound is not anymore hard to access, staying to raw quality is more of musical decoration than essential thing in whole genre. And by that I don't mean that it is a bad thing, quite the opposite, it's now harder to get proper low quality sound, and it can sound just crappy when stick to the "rules", what happened to me and I know now, that when I will be releasing full album it will in regular quality. It's not nesesery to record music on grinder to make it "true", because not only black metal, but music in general is just very intimate thing, so if black metal is msuic that spoke to someone's soul, then to make their own "true" black metal, it has to came from that corrupted by black metal soul. It's fine to copy style of different band or smth, but to inspire others and make them really enjoy your music, it has to have something new. Even if that novelty isn't obvious. And adding music to tiktok is unfortunatelly very helpful, I get why people are getting upset with black metal on that platform, but the fact that it's appearing in new media is good, it means that it's not dead yet and there are still people enjoying it.

[@solidago1041]

My hot take: Rejoice! The Light Has Come have recreated DsO's atmosphere perfectly, to the point where you'd tell me it's DsO and I'd believe you (if I hadn't heard their whole discography yet)

[@madman7450]

Hey a quick and kind of a random question. I know u dont do Q&A videos no more, but still urged to ask if you´re attending any black metal festivals next year? if so, what festivals?

[@MrJibsIV]

Taake's black metal banjo is legendary.

[@judythepunk461]

I agree with your take on ghost, however they do have a few metal sounding songs, like Majesty, cirice and absolution. But yes they're definitely a rock band and i think it's silly when people try to argue that they're not metal, because i mean... Ghost has never claimed to be metal xD

[@Gregbaltzer]

They actually have claimed to be metal in early interviews around the time of their second album. They actually said "If you went by 80s rules, then we would be Black Metal". I watched the interview, trying to sift through 11 years of interviews since then to find it is damn near impossible. But Ghost's first album was 100% metal. Tobias complained that they were on tour when the second album was mixed and they took all the "bite" out of the guitars, he said they were going to fix that on the third album. If you ever watch them play those songs live at Rock In Rio 2013 they sound a lot heavier. Ghost were 100% a metal band then...now though, it's harder to defend their new material.

[@Gregbaltzer]

When people go on about Sleep Token being metal, I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a metal band then Sleep Token.

[@Metal-lz8td]

@@Gregbaltzer I wouldn't consider either Ghost or Sleep Token to be metal but I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a band that can actually write fun and interesting songs in their genre lol

[@AlastorCreations]

9:53 I think this question deserves a whole 20 min video on its own there is a tons of Black Metal bands that do sounds bad and that sound good speaking the sound quality solely now and I do enjoy them both now gonna argue which one is better we all know that you should listen to what you like but there is lot more to the topic to be said that there was in the short window I feel like good examples of bands and their styles

[@ROFLBOB24]

I would think of things like Watain and Belphegor second wave black metal, and things like Batushka and Mgla as third wave/modern black metal--which I do like better as well.

[@toxikkwasted666]

The “emos wearing Emperor hoodies” thing reminds me of the time I met this goth girl with a Midnight shirt. Me being the idiot I am, I tried to start a conversation and she didn’t even know it was a band and just got it at Hot Topic. 👿

[@Farvann]

Hot Topic sounds so American. I don't even know if we have a similar thing in Europe 😄

[@rubysoffner4557]

Tbh I much rather see people wearing band merch and through this discover new music than gatekeeper nerds. but that's just me

[@dontbeedgy]

Ofc 😂

[@fogfullofsilhouettes5842]

​@Farvann Definitely got stores like that, H&M for example.

[@Walduhu]

I think EMP matches the hot topic niche quite accurately

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

I agree about *OBITUARY* 💀..... they have a few songs but I never got heavily into them and first heard them in 1996. In fact, I first listened to Morbid angel in 1995, loved them. Heard deicide in 1995 and hated them but took a second deeper listen in 1999 and realized how wrong i was

[@richardaaron4454]

Cause of Death was a good album imo, I’m a huge James Murphy fan though.

[@Gregbaltzer]

I have every Obituary release, but I've been listening to them since 1990. There are a couple albums that I skip over though eg. Darkest Day, Xecutioner's Return.

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Cause of Death is an indisputable part of the death metal pantheon.

[@Schattenfürst]

I actually gotta say good produced BM brought me into Black Metal in general. A friend sent me a live performance in april of Kanonenfieber and I kinda liked it and one day I listened to their "Der Füsilier 1" and I loved it But that still didnt bring me into that typical 2nd wave kinda shitty sound That took something very depressing happening to me but atleast it brought me into that Genre so ig it also has good sides

[@nyarparablepsis872]

As for experimental black metal: Angizia. Each release is an experience.

[@kold_df]

Um auf die Thematik des Corpsepaints einzugehen, ich persönlich würde es folgendermaßen beschreiben. Ein jeder (Black Metal) Musiker trägt zwei Seiten in sich, seine Alltagspersönlichkeit und sein künstlerisches Selbst. Das Corpsepaint des jeweiligen Künstlern gibt ihm die Möglichkeit sich für die Zeit des Tragens völlig seiner Kunstfigur hinzugeben. Deswegen ist Corpsepaint auch in meinen Augen den Künstlern vorbehalten. Es ist nicht nur Schminke, es ist die Manifestation der Kreativität eines Künstlers. Ich trage Corpsepaint ausschließlich wenn ich für meine Musik tätig bin, um ihm genau diese Bedeutung beizumessen und es nicht, wie viele andere, zu einem Witz zu machen

[@twaxy5968]

Just listen to what you like, what you love and if you want show it to your friends or the world. As long as the music sounds good for you, everything is fine. I listen to bands like Antrisch, Thulcandra, Saor, Harkla, Agrypnie, Orbit Culture, Vredehammer, Allegaeon, Shadow of Intent, Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Kanonenfieber, Batushka, Gojira bla bla bla bla. I don't care about their marketing or over-marketing. If they have good songs why should I complain about their marketing or wanting to get bigger with each release? If I don't like their new style, I just stick to the old ones and enjoy them. Why complain about a band that tries out something new? It is their project, so they should decide what they should play. I understand people that complain about bands not sticking to their old sound and stuff, but there is no need to literally tell everyone over and over again that the new sound sucks. Just stick to older ones and let others enjoy the new modern sound

[@redlander55]

Don't know about their albums, but Obituary is one of the best live bands I have seen. Take a 70 bands festival, out of the 35 bands you'll actually going to see, Obituary will be number 1 (or close to it). Possibly tied with Immolation. Given they play at that festival and you manage to see them. Maybe I should rectify my situation with their albums.

[@phorestpsy]

cause of death is the best one.

[@kilianbauer1905]

Bands that i really enjoy at the moment are Mistur,Ulvhedner,Avertia

[@CptCoatrack]

"What do you expect people wearing suits?" Akercocke pulled it off!

[@StyrThrenodia]

Don't let me get started on the Waves. I'm just thinking about what could be the fourth 😂

[@nebrasarsaparilla1157]

We BM enjoyers are gonna live under tons of stigmas, all we can do is keep enjoying BM

[@borzydar1196]

13:16 Personally I'd differentiate bands like Mayhem, Burzum or Watain form bands like Mgła, 1914, Manbryne. I'd call former 2nd wave BM and latter modern BM, main difference being modern BM tad bit easier on the ears.

[@a.s.2322]

Wederganger is such a good band man! There are a lot of great bands from Gelderland like Bezwering or Fluisteraars also.

[@InfayNo1]

Ha, Wederganger shirt, good taste there !

[@blackishsahand6074]

what a cool live background at end of video , where can i find this kind of stuff ?

[@Farvann]

Don't remember where I got it from 😅

[@necroticpoison]

What are the bands that are playing at around the 10:30 mark? 🙏🧎‍♂

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

I like some raw bm stuff but I will always prefer stuff with better production. I don't mean it has to be a lot of computer production but I like the way that Mgła does it. Even with production it still has this bm atmosphere.

[@chazzychizzle915]

One time I thought I was listening to the heaviest black metal I had ever heard, but on second listen it was just the sound of the ocean 🤷‍♀️

The last Absurd EP, Das Heer aus dem Dunkel, is very black metal. If you still haven't heard it, I recommend it to you. :)

[@fcamiola]

Fun video. One thing I'm confused on is: you stated you don't dig "modern" production on BM yet you said you dig stuff like Belphegor. They have a production that is not too dissimilar from Watain, Dimmu Borgir, etc so that was a bit confusing. If they are also considered 2nd wave, then how could Burzum and Belphegor both be 2nd wave?

[@CyberChrist]

Obituary's "Slowly We Rot" is a masterpiece -_-

[@Farvann]

You're a masterpiece 😒 Oh wait...

[@CyberChrist]

@@Farvann Haha ^^ And it's _even more_ of a masterpiece when you imagine it's just a guy drunk out of his mind singing, as an aunt made me remark^^ GG on the AC/DC video, BTW, the algo had buried it for me ;)

[@Farvann]

@@CyberChrist Yeah, KZbin buried it for almost everyone. That's what happens when I upload a video that's not Black Metal related. Freakin' hate this.

[@florianpierredumont4775]

It's normal for a certain culture to evolve, and for new genres to emerge, eventhough it's breaking the "core" culture. The thing is to clearly differenciate the genres between themselves, and avoid "umbrella terms" that confuse people.

[@UnixAnt]

Want to hear really good bass in Black Metal? Annthennath's States of Liberating Departure has you covered. You may recognise the vocalist...

[@valkenbach]

I think that guy refer the second wave to 90s, then Bathory's 80s the first. Anyway, Fallen is truly good.

[@pairedformula8920]

Not related but listening to deaths dynamic shroud made me open up to more genres and one of them is black metal im pretty new to black metal but my favorite band is emperor thank you for listening 💀💀

[@dragyoutoyagrave]

i like to think of Lorna Shore as a Blackened Symphonic Deathcore band personally. they have a lot of blackened influences in their music but i can see why people say they aren’t.

[@jeroen0011]

'What do you want, people wearing suits?' Enough examples of those though: Fleshgod Apocalypse, Silverstein, and I'm sure Parkway Drive did for some, In This moment as well i think? Eventhough i don't really know a lot of these bands. In Black metal i dunno, but in metal in general there is more of that going on and everyone should do whatever they want. Maybe some Ghost songs can be considered metal, but it's more like a tribute old scool rock band indeed, and they're good, not everything they do is but most of it, high trees will always catch more of the wind.

[@demoskoval]

Akercocke wore suits

[@jeroen0011]

@@demoskoval them too indeed