Amathatober

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[@MJTRadio]

“Is Amalthus important enough to have his own month?” To quote the soundtrack, he is, “Amalthus: The Acting God”

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Maybe he is lol

[@MadMasterPorkey]

This is like trying to find out the legal drinking age in Alrest. We're not 100% sure how it works or who decides it, but we DO know that Rex isn't old enough to drink

[@williamstokes4282]

Which weirdly contradicts Nia asking why Rex isn't drinking with the rest at the start of the game or was it the other way around? I can't remember it might have been both in which case as far as Rex knows Nia is about the same age as him.

[@Nelsito99]

​@@williamstokes4282rex does say that she looks just as old as him due to insult of needing a babysitter

[@sirensong1794]

@@williamstokes4282 rex says that nia's about the same age as him, or at least he assumes so. it could be that he assumes she is a bit older because of the way she carries herself and the drinking age is idk 16 or something not that far off.

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Yep

[@williamstokes4282]

Okay so I looked at the cutscene that I was thinking of and It goes like this Nia: They've started boozin' below decks. You should join 'em. Rex: why aren't you there? Nia: It's nit that I hate it, I just really don't need a headache right now. Rex: huh. Good thing you're not a salvager, then. Nia: Why's that? Rex: Swim like a fish, and drink like one too. That's the salvager's code. After that they end up talking about Rex's dream but we can probably conclude that even if there is a legal drinking age salvagers probably don't care.

[@rocrod430]

Could it also be MUCH more simple in that Amalthus was just like.. named after the month? Like how people are named Augustine or May?

[@suzyocean7392]

April, June are also very popular girls names

[@Magic_Ice]

….i hate how much that makes sense that’s so stupidly obvious why haven’t I thought about it ever.

[@Nekro_Knight]

Why isn't he named Amathatober then? I don't think anyone names their child Junus.

[@Magic_Ice]

@@Nekro_Knight the origins for the month names weren’t the exact names of the months. Julius and July aren’t the same as is Augustus and August. It could be the other way around where Amalthus is a name that is derived from Amathatober.

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

⁠@@Magic_Ice That is a good question. We shall never know why

[@lorrainedme]

Bless you Luxin, I've been dying for someone to talk about Amatha-fucking-tober for literal YEARS now 😅😭😭

[@zDonut]

(xenoblade spoilers) I was always under the impression they changed the way the months were shown to obscure alrest's connection with the series lore. Since it would be easier to just use the names english audiences are familiar with but since the cast off the series learning about the world from before the experiement which is intentionally much like our own (but like with a zohar) hiding the month to further obscure the connection and also drive home that alrestian culture right down to the calender is different from the ones present today makes alot of sense. At least i think im just spitballing

[@angeldude101]

Instead of just using "September" as the English translation for the 9th month, you could totally argue for an even _more_ direct translation and call it "November" while ignoring the absolute chaos that our calendar went throughout history to leave us with the 9th month having a name that means "7th month." Alternatively, you can go full nerd and use "Holy Month", which is the Modern English equivalent of the _Old_ English name for what we now call September, and not actually a reference to Amalthus as Praetor, though the coincidence is too good to pass up.

[@SB-ex8nt]

"We have to think about the Roman Empire in a Xenoblade video." Luxin, how long did this take you?

[@Cman04092]

"But, shut up" -Luxin Fair enough, I was gonna give you crap, but you preemptively told us off, so I guess I'll screw off then, lol. I do agree that releasing it now is better than sitting on this until next October, lol.

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Yeah most likely

[@nathanblackburn1193]

As much as people joke about Amathatober I actually like how there's supposedly an entire original calendar system in Alrest, like let's be real here it would be extremely weird for the people of Alrest to just coincidentally come up with the exact same calendar system that Earth had, like what did Klaus give them a breakdown of the Gregorian calendar? Also while Amalthus and Amathatober are similar I don't thing there's a direct connection instead the Alrestian calendar was likely invented before Amalthus was born with the month being named after someone else and for Indolines the name Amalthus is just a regular name

[@AICW]

Yeah that's why I roll my eyes at Lord of the Rings, Tolkien was so creative in pretty much everything in worldbuilding Middle-Earth but he couldn't bother to come up with a unique calendar and just stuck to what we have in real life. Like c'mon man, even Fire Emblem: Three Houses came up with unique names for each month of the year.

[@MaxWelton]

12:24 108 is also important to Pokémon, Spiritomb specifically

[@Luckori]

It is Luxin's videos which makes me love xenoblade 2 even more for their vast world building. Plus I like that I'm getting a history lesson for watching.

[@NX_TV]

The story happening near the end of the year is a detail, but I think it was made that way to make a parallel with how the worl itself is nearing its end.

[@bellum1080]

I was just rewatching the Klaus monologue and I noticed he uses the word "instantiated" when describing Logos taking a blade form and becoming Malos. I feel the concept of instantiating, which comes from philosophy and computer science, is pivotal for understanding the relationship between the Aegises and the Trinity Processor, and between Alvis, A, and Alpha.

[@lpfan4491]

I wonder if an equivalent term is actually used in japanese. Because in XC1, we had a case where something that seems to have a generic name was renamed to a computing term. (Breaker to Purge. "Purge" in the context of computing means deletion, while...I don't think "Breaker" has anywhere near a similar meaning, but I may be wrong)

[@ShadowSkyX]

I always assumed it was another word for "mannifest"

[@linkkling]

i always just assumed it was the same as OUR numbering system, since alrest was created by klaus who was from our world in the year 20XX it would make sense for alrest to just continue using our year system despite nobody actually knowing what 'zero' meant.. therefore '4058' literally just means its 2000 years in the future compared to the real world current day. 20XX and 4058 being the only years mentioned in the base game really supports this for me

[@Zek3nator]

Evolution takes a while to take place. Realistically even helped along, it should take more than 2000 years to get to a comparable ecosystem.

[@derfuchs3296]

@@Zek3nator Well evolution was highly accelerated by Claus dropping old world DNA all over Alrest through the core crystals

[@ghirahimlefabuleux8984]

The xeno series love to use alternate calendars so that's most likely not the case. XC1 takes place at least 9000 years after Klaus' time since that's the age of the oldest living machina in that game. Xenosaga had our calendar until the 2500s and then switched to a new one and is now in the 4700s of said new calendar (so 5100 years after 2500). Xenogears is even worse in that it uses another calendar that started on the year Xenosaga ended so it's like 10000 years after the 4700s of the Transcend Christ era. So basically 14700 years after the 2500s A.D. With this in mind it's more likely that XC2 has it's own calendar since XC1 already tells us that the experiment wasn't 2000 years ago. XCX is the only one that seems to be using our calendar and that's because it takes place two years after the end of our world so that calendar still somewhat make sense.

[@DragonEdge10]

​@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 We don't know if the flow of time between the two pocket dimensions were equivalent until its failed merging after the events of both 1 and 2, there could very well be a high level of time dilation.

[@JoeThomas-lu6fy]

Klaus mentioned countless centuries having passed, and he can presumably count past 20.

[@DNP_10]

The fact that Luxin can spin hours of content out of the smallest detail in Xenoblade is amazing. Also, it's completely on-brand for this video on a month named similarly to October getting released after the end of October, so don't worry about it. Also, as for Pyra being able to speak the language, I wouldn't say it's that far fetched to say that the language probably hasn't changed all that dramatically in 500 years. If you think about it, we're still able to read and understand things that were written in the 14/15/1600s, and while that may be because England was a major part of the middle ages and we speak a contemporary version of that language, even that's not all that far fetched - considering that Indol has been around and in control for that and maybe longer. Plus, Amalthus has been around since then too, and the party's able to understand him just fine. Then, there's also the fact that Pyra plays a recording of Addam to Eulogimenos in Chapter 6, and there's no communication issues there either. Finally, to respond another comment on this video, there is the fact that Pyra and Mythra do talk to each other and tell each other things, so it's not entirely out of the question that if Amathatober was already named before they were sealed away, had Pyra not learned of it Mythra could have and passed that information on. Then of course, there's also the fact that all blade data gets passed to the Aegises, which is still very much a thing even after Amalthus takes the two cores, since it's as a result of this that Amalthus (and Rex) have access to all blades as Master Drivers. Wow apparently I can write for a while on a small portion of a 30 minute video spun from a single sentence in Xenoblade 2. Cool. One final thing: I do kind of cringe at the name "Amathatober" since it feels like fictional name for October, I think if they'd completely changed the name to something else entirely, or just shortened it a bit since in English we have no months that are longer than 4 syllables (January's the longest at 4), it wouldn't sound so weird. Or just say the numbers, Pyra could have just said something along the lines of 9/5/4058, since we do that for some dates, or when we ask what the date is, we sometimes say 11 25 2023. Also I always thought that the year was in relation to our numbering system, or even to "when the worlds were wrent in twain," but I guess this also makes since. Ok, one more final thing: Since Xenoblade 2 released in December, does that mean its OST is Christmas music?

[@benjammin105123]

I think Alrest will always be my favorite fictional world.

[@_josh725]

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[@phillosmaster393]

I love this channel. This is exactly the type of content that keeps me subscribed :)

[@Blockio1999]

This is a really good take on this all. I'm gonna throw this at some historian friends.

[@soulofresolve9514]

Something to consider is that the game seems to take place across a single month, assuming travel times. The day in the cutscene is the fifth, after a night camp cutscene. So Morag was fought on the 4th, poppi was likely activated something like midnight if that day, so nia was captured the third. With the last camp scene, that means they woke up on Gormott on the second, likely making the day on the ship Amathatober 1st. I kept up this math and found that the day the beanstalk falls is likely Amathatober 30 or 31. In that case, the sunrise in the final cutscene is probably the first day of the next month, possibly referencing the end of Amalthus’ influence on the world. (If the months got renamed after important figures, I like thinking the next one is called Addauary for Addam.)

[@saacdogg691]

I feel like this is going to hurt my brain

[@pond9875]

Basically all of the Xeno series.

[@saacdogg691]

So real

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

You could say that about Xenogears and all other games lmao. I like complicated stuff and story

[@saacdogg691]

@@RavenGamingOverLord I love complicated things too… I need to play xenogears

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

⁠@@saacdogg691 Oh that’s pretty cool. I should probably do that at some point too

[@Axecon1]

Thank you for making this video! The timeline and dates of all 3 Xenoblade games seriously need to be discussed. It's actually really bizarre to think Amalthus ruled for practically 500 years when his predecessors only held power for a short time and were probably serving an elected term to the Praetor position. He pretty much orchestrated the events of history and held near-absolute power despite being the cause of most of the world's suffering due to starting the Aegis War. It's almost surprising nobody except Jin's faction questioned or opposed this order during that entire span of time. I think it's also important to mention another date and that's when Ontos/Alvis left for the XC1 dimension. Based on Klaus's dialogue in the final chapter of XC2, this was a separate event from "the experiment". I imagine it happened at around 6000 years prior to the modern day, as that's when Arglus found the Monado and the first Bionis/Mechonis clash occurred. I like to think that Ontos helped contribute DNA imprints of creatures from XC2's world to XC1, and that's why both worlds share similar creatures. Prior to the first clash, Giants and Machina are the primary blueprints for life but post clash we see the arrival of Nopon and humans/homs, which could be the result of Ontos's influence.

[@linkkling]

18 minutes into the video and i just remembered it's about the name of a month of the year. i love luxin videos

[@pyroknight6474]

My head canon is that the year is based on the birth of the indoline titan

[@Nelsito99]

20:48 we also dont know when malos went lone wolf so the 500 could be referring to when malos became an independent blade or awakened as we know that mythra was resonated with addam for over a year with the goal to take down malos

[@AndyWitmyer]

Amathato could be simply be a number derived from an older, more archaic form of Alrestian, with -ber serving as month specific modifier. So, if Amathato means, say, 9, then it would be the 9th month. I tend to think that Amathat resembles Amalthus is coincidental, at best - why would Amalthus not include the L in his name when designating the month. Seems rather silly, no? Maybe the localizers were attempting to create a subtle link between the man and the month, but nothing direct.

[@cakedo9810]

This is why 2’s my favorite of the series. Worldbuilding go brrrrr

[@swearfreegamer]

My biggest problem with this is Pyra herself. I always took it that Pyra’s time with Addam was EXTREMELY short and Amalthus only JUST rose to power in that time so why would Pyra who has been asleep for 490+ years know that the month had been renamed? The Pneuma core isn’t in the Trinity Processor any more so I’d doubt that’s the reason. So, would that mean that the month would have been named as such even back in TGC times?

[@MaxM210]

I don't think it's crazy to assume she just looked at a calendar in the time between arriving at Gormott and setting out to leave it. Tora probably had one at his house.

[@PowerOf47]

it might also be a similar case to a papal name where popes take on a name that emulates a previous leader they respect. though it was his name before becoming Praetor, he may have been given/chosen the name when he became a member of the Praetorium

[@TheZeratulsan]

Even though she isn't in the trinity processor holder, I'm pretty sure data still passes from core crystal to crystal. Why the calendar would be included I can't say.

[@byronlyons3548]

Well remember, neither was Malos, yet he knew about the secret seal to the Torna titan, and how it isn't in it's original form. Same thing for Mythra (albeit except the seal part).

[@VinnyGPlays]

"Babe why did you just watch a 30 minute video about a fictional month?" "Wait it was 30 minutes?"

[@eriklagergren7124]

Now I kinda want a game set in the REALLY early days of Alrest. Maybe when Judicium first seemingly discovered Flesh eaters. Maybe the game will build up to the choice if the main character will become a flesh eater or not. That's something I'd play.

[@SuperSavajin]

You didn't answer the most important answer if we go with your theory. What was the month called before Amalthus named it?

[@dullededge1395]

alalthus is canceled it's hazetober now😤

[@ia7051]

Amalthus is evil Moses, yeah

[@mickzero]

Ayyyy new Luxin dropped

[@thebookwyrm235]

I've been curious about Alrest's calendar ever since that scene.

[@Nelsito99]

29:20 similar things happened with tantal praising their roots from torna and lookingbup to addam

[@Zanolith]

Why is this so interesting? Never thought I’d be so interested in the religious history of Alrest lmao

[@GomerJ]

I always just kind of assumed that the Praetorium either dictated the calendar for Alrest or more likely co-opted the existing one and assigned names to the months in which case yeah of course Amalthus named one after himself. Whether he deserved it or not is then irrelevant. I never thought twice about it cause it just kinda made sense to me that yeah, of course he did that. Considering the level of control he's exerting over Alrest this always seemed feasible to me. (Or others in the Praetorium named it and he feigned humility while secretly relishing it ..."well if you insist")

[@GomerJ]

Of course the first time I heard it I doubt I was clear on who Amalthus was yet and just thought "well that's a fun nonsense word I dig it"

[@agamer8179]

The video about a fake month that is based on a real month that is consistently 31 days long is 30 minutes long, too bad

[@aylinilya.]

30 minutes and 40 seconds rounds up to 31 minutes :)

[@3XHS]

If you round rather than truncate, then it's 31.

[@HipnotikHylian]

​@@aylinilya.Ehhhh that's a stretch bro

[@aylinilya.]

@@HipnotikHylian that’s the point, sarcasm

[@JustJulyo]

Happy Zekecember everyone!

[@GomerJ]

I was going to venture a guess (and you got there too clearly) that the year's numbering would likely be based off of the establishment of the Praetorium.

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

Nice

[@BurstFlare]

I actually don't think Alrest's language changed very much between Pyra being sealed and her waking up, simply because Klaus is able to talk with them all. Sure, he might have been able to learn whatever new language the Alrestians invented, but since he's the one who coded the artificial evolution of life in the first place, wouldn't it make more sense if he just instead programed in the language(s) he already knows and make sure it sticks?

[@lpfan4491]

It honestly makes me wonder how language canonically works in this series. I'd assume the original dub language(Japanese) is canon, but we also know for basically certain that they seemingly cannot read Kanji, or at least not the ones displayed on the Monado, since those are more or less treated as gibberish only showing what power is activated and nothing else.

[@BurstFlare]

@@lpfan4491 It's pretty clear that their written languages developed differently from the original world. And even their spoken language has words that either didn't exist before or were altered in some way. However, I still believe that the original world's language was used as the starting point. There's also something from Xenoblade 3 that I believe supports this idea as well, but it's kind of spoilery. It's the fact that Kevesi and Agnians, who were from Shulk's and Rex's worlds respectively, are able to understand each other.

[@Nelsito99]

The month could be renamed with every pope like how chine has different dynasties for which family if currently ruling japan has a similar thing but in the form of eras like i mean look at how people sort the Godzilla movies with showa and heisie (idk if spelled right)

[@Magenta_Nimbat]

I watched a 30 minute video about the name of a month from a video game. Am I'm here thinking, yeah I can see why it makes sense

[@fireembliam9090]

I miss the World Tree theme.

[@Nelsito99]

23:25 could have came from those who made attempt to clime the world tree whichbis still running so it might have the year month number and day number they just wont have the name for the months but know year, month and day also the first titans might have known about the time and passed that down

[@Nelsito99]

People know thwt the land of morytha is so it wouldn't be impossible

[@Nelsito99]

That*

[@fireembliam9090]

I miss the Gormotti Jazz theme.

[@TheCasualNoobGamer]

So im just thinking are we assuming that Amathtober is named for the Amalthus we know, like David is a popular name for a biblical figure and hero, the Amalthus in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 & Torna can be named for a founder of Indol who was famous.

[@bathroomwalltile4911]

The duality of a Xenoblade fan demonstrated by the two Xenoblade calendar videos. One is this one, and the other is this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKfbpKSlfLylesU

[@alpha_c.]

this video is immensely stupid. 10/10, little something for everyone

[@MaxWelton]

26:28 is that how you pronounce homo sapiens?

[@jojopikmin3037]

I just think of a theory that maybe not the only who think like that but in think we can make an other relation xenosaga/blade I think that alvis form xenoblade 1 more then 3 is an echo of the chaos of the end of saga 3. That way we can link the trinity procesor and the chaos and the other with mean Nephilim is an echo of pneuma and Able an echo of logos I think that because of the zorah played a big role in the 2 games maybe you can develop more on that but hey that my mind and that PS : sorry for the bad english

[@dragonmaster1500]

With regards to the evolution of civilization, the oldest recorded city was the city of Babylon in C. 1100 BC. The oldest known civilization is the Jomon of the Japenese Islands who traded a type of artistic pottery with each other, the ceramics that the pottery is made from has been dated to C. 1550 BC - C. 1400 BC, so 3,000 years for civilization to develop isn't that bad, it's a bit slow actually. If we're talking biological evolution, then yes, 3,000 years is a blip in the geological time scale, even with Titans and Blades speeding up the development.

[@linkalot7415]

14:15

[@runaway74]

Shouldn't it have been amaLthtober

[@eaglejunior]

But why are calendars so rare?

[@MrCleman1]

Your silly translation you mentioned which obviously wasnt the intended translation is actually wrong though. The kanji to the right of the number 5 only translates into day, sun, or Japan but commonly it is used as day so it cant be translated as son afaik.

[@ArcaneEther]

Amatha~ ≠ Amalthus Where'd the L go, buddy?

[@Elite_Teach]

I miss these Xenoblade 2 vids

[@lordice5]

2:35 "When we're in a world with no real connection to earth culture." Who's gonna tell him?

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

Im here 9th yippee

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

Sena reference!!!!!!!!!!

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

Im the girl eith the gall

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

Um atclluty its with eith get it right stupid

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

Nigerian right?

[@jacksonkaiser1065]

So tell me why im here and whats the reason.

[@lpfan4491]

This topic was always unserious. We can have titans named after real language(Made WORSE by localization, because it was all just Latin or Japanese originally, not like 8 languages they pulled out of their hat), but the calender is the issue even tho it is not an unbelievable headcanon that some salvager found one in the cloud sea or even Land of Morytha. Note that I enjoy the localization and actually agree with it on some level.(Praxis being named after a watergod originally certainly made sense in a vaccuum, but why was Theory named Theory then? That's the most mismatched duo-dynamic ever. Also yes. "seorie" is literally just the english work transcribed, the often cited funfact of blades exclusively having JP-names is not even true.) (And it is not like most people cared that Reyn says "Alley-oop" in the localization of 1 despite that being very tied to both french AND the US culturally, crazy)

[@may83195]

To answer your question about Praxis and Theory, Theory is named Theory to match with Praxis so that it sounds like“In Practice” and “In Theory”

[@lpfan4491]

@@may83195 You goofy, I literally mentioned that Praxis is named something else in the original japanese.

[@mrbubbles6468]

5 September 4058 is an understandable month. But we are in a fictional world why would they have September. So they don’t.