Zf probably will launch it's own MGU. This compact design is perfect for a gearbox in paralel shaft
@OurCognitiveSurplus3 ай бұрын
Dear bike industry - all we want is motor gear box w belt drive. This will sell many bikes.
@ruggericci3 ай бұрын
nahhhh
@VYBEKAT2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the future is some type of gear less electronic CVT. There are many ways to achieve the gearing effect electronically. Far fewer parts, cheaper, lighter, smoother
@ThiagoMarquardt17 күн бұрын
@@OurCognitiveSurplus yes. A good Shimano Alfine works fine too with a central motor
@E2Drives2 ай бұрын
Hello Steve, thanks for the kind words about our Owuru motor. We were thrilled to meet so many people at Eurobike this year and to witness the enthusiasm for the tech. We can't wait to present to all an eMTB with our drive unit, it's just so much fun to ride.
@trapptours66793 ай бұрын
I annually look forward to this segment from Embn at Eurobike to see what new tech is out. It is very interesting, in particular i am looking forward to seeing new gearbox drive motors with belt drive and lower weight, higher density batteries 🤔
@hei_zen3 ай бұрын
@@trapptours6679 same waiting for a silent motor with internal shifting and belt drive (other than the very loud Pinion) to upgrade
@timscarman45993 ай бұрын
Hepha - love and look forward to the, like a ‘dropper post’ raise / lower handlebars for my urban bike as a recipient of neck & back injuries from motorcycle crash. eMTB not so sure, but could be great. We are definitely in the golden age of e-bikes, so good to be alive.
@embn2 ай бұрын
We thought it could also be quite good for bike sharing! Multiple positions for multiple riders
@RoryPowell-e8n3 ай бұрын
The rusty bike has so much style I love it, especially the front forks ❤👍🏾
@phorceone3 ай бұрын
Richie Schley FTW. 🤘 One of the most creative riders. You should take him up on his offer!
@burkaanc3 ай бұрын
hopefully pinion ebikes will halve their prices soon, would love one, but not at 10k EUR
@6rimR3ap3r2 ай бұрын
That Owuru eCVT is basically what Toyota used in their hybrid cars since the Prius (until the recent change to hybrid max powertrains). If done right that should be almost bullet proof.
@VYBEKAT2 ай бұрын
YES. This is what I'm excited for
@ultimategatsu3 ай бұрын
I hope someday ebikes had a standards and make possible change motors for expample
@davidgrothen39433 ай бұрын
You can go shift between generations of certain shimanos
@VYBEKAT2 ай бұрын
It's a nice thought but unfortunately looks like the future is increasing complexity and incompatibility. Bikes will become as complex and proprietary as cars
@OscarHernandez-xx2je3 ай бұрын
Too many motors. This leads to way too many and different mounting requirements. This must be fixed. Quite a problem.
@gsbeak3 ай бұрын
And too many brands. The numbers manufactured by each brand is small and it keeps the prices very high.
@feedbackzaloop3 ай бұрын
Let them evolve and innovate before being absorbed by big brands or becoming inhouse motors for frame manufacturers. Now is the golden age of e-bikes and won't last much long.
@tamasvarga673 ай бұрын
Different motors different mounting requirements just like in motorbikes or cars… what’s the problem?
@OscarHernandez-xx2je3 ай бұрын
@@tamasvarga67 I’ll let you think about it, not that complicated.
@OscarHernandez-xx2je3 ай бұрын
@@tamasvarga67 I’ll let you think about it, not that complicated.
@mik10373 ай бұрын
Great to see continuous innovation, love the gearbox motor combos, the future for sure. Battery tech is what is really holding everything back, time to move past lithium!
@FIGHTTHECABLE3 ай бұрын
If there were something better than lithium, the industry would use it to their competetive advantage. Lithium is powerful enough in all applications.
@kevlowe31813 ай бұрын
I’m seeing too many bikes I want!
@embn2 ай бұрын
That's the only problem with these events 🔥
@mountaincruiser8173 ай бұрын
Love to see Ritchey and Steve do a ride together! Why did Steve dodge Ritchey's question on it?
@nicholasmilton19023 ай бұрын
Largest battery being showcased? New Bosch 1600 watt hour?
@alienbrain75133 ай бұрын
If you meet Claus Fleischer from BOSCH, please ask him what this is all about: The new gearshift and the new range extender don't fit my 1 year old BOSCH, but I can cycle to the dealer and pick up the new Eco+ manually with cable. New Smart+ for Dullis? 😉
@johgude50452 ай бұрын
I miss LMX. Just bough a bike from them the LMX56 and think this will be quite interesting, too
@e2U3 ай бұрын
If I don't remind myself i'm watching a video, I feel like i'm right there and start reaching out to touch them. Thx!
@Bikefury16122 ай бұрын
i live in Belgium, after some research on tech evolution also different and many possibilities, much of tech evolution in 2025 but only higher segements.
@TheSanjurok3 ай бұрын
sadly most of the new stuff is not available in the UK yet
@Tobinhotherealone3 ай бұрын
I bet that Specialized is going to use The DJI Motor for there next Levos! Thats y we didnt see them anywhere these days
@jonathanchampagne76833 ай бұрын
Revolutionary, my ass. If that's the case, you are admitting that I was a super genius over 20 years ago, and you should definitely be listening to me.
@KuyaErickEMP2 ай бұрын
great !
@cx1234563 ай бұрын
"vertically integrated full power motor" Peak of cycling journalism, all was missing was a red nose and a little bit of makeup.
@HeadBassVTEC3 ай бұрын
thanks for the coverage....so many interesting drive units love your channel, together with sam's bikes and loam wolf the best 3 eMTB channels imo, but for news and tech EMBN is the best one thinking of getting my first eMTB for few months now but not sure if now is the right time... when all this new tech hits the shelves in 1-2 years noone will want to buy the heavy outdated current bikes and I can't spend 6-7k on a new bike every 2-3 years ;o]]
@embn2 ай бұрын
Esteemed company! Thanks for watching :) It's definitely a dilemma of judging when to jump in! You don't want to miss out but don't want to buy just before the next big development! If it's any comfort, e-bike tech is in a really good place right now and given some of the deals available out there in bike shops and from dealers it's a decent time to take the leap!
@EE-ht1biАй бұрын
How many gears on an all-mountain e-bike make the most sense, in your opinion? 7, 8, 9? On a city bike, 3, 4, 5?
@Jcool7213 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve, top quality video as usually! Who needs shitty tv broadcast when we have quality channel like yours :-) Please, don't stop filming and making videos, keep'em coming...
@embn2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Much more to come 🤘
@islandaerial34143 ай бұрын
I live in eMTB heaven yet, there are few options and getting repairs and parts is a nightmare
@Emtbtoday3 ай бұрын
Right, go back to the Whistle eMTB and have a look at the Bosch CX motor. The plastic surround around the outside is what's missing off these "taped" up Bosch motors, making them look smaller and different! It's just the same motor; this surround just more than likely didn't fit the bike's motor mount, so we'll probably end up seeing these bikes with the one like on Levo's Brose, that plastic thing!
@Magoo712 ай бұрын
The chain on that MGU model was way too big and Heavy.....Pinion MGU is still the combo to beat....and good luck with that.... Pinion has the technology all figured out and the Drive Belt is key for strength and operation!
@cameratool3 ай бұрын
What are the powertrain losses of that massive CVT?
@E2Drives2 ай бұрын
You can try our Owuru drive unit in Decathlon stores and witness the result yourself, depending on your country, you can book a test-ride 😉 The Btwin LD 920e is equipped with this tech. But we are already working on the next generation for eMTB.
@gavinsullivan90153 ай бұрын
My first ebike was a Merida e160 - flipping brilliant bike…
@embn2 ай бұрын
Great bike! Do you still have it?
@gavinsullivan90152 ай бұрын
@@embn I do my daughter rides it occasionally otherwise it’s a spare. My main bike is a Trek EXe now which I much prefer but the Merida was a perfect introduction to e-bikes- reasonable money, great spec, rides brilliantly.
@SeifEddineB2 ай бұрын
Now the real challenge, a universal battery system (200, 400, 600 and 800W) with the same charger. Better start doing it now than later under pressure from EU.
@VinhNguyen-gy4gg2 ай бұрын
Thị trương vn có bán xe này thì tuyệt
@ukdnbmarsh3 ай бұрын
800watt battery is the shit, i want some of that
@shafiqjan14743 ай бұрын
Richie is correct, more DH is always better ❤👍🏻
@DartTv9742 ай бұрын
Simple curiosity, have you seen anything with the new ZF electrical engine? Thanks
@trigger7933 ай бұрын
I watch your vogs hoping you'll give some Information and revues on fully equipped bikes with mudguards lights rack and stand but you never do. I noticed a bike at the end of the vlog hoping you'd pick it out but you guys aren't interested. I don't think this is fair because bikepacking e bikes are something lots of people will be interested in. Please don't ignore this field of e biking. Thanks.
@lja36573 ай бұрын
@@trigger793 because nature doesn’t let you plug in to chargers. Bikepacking e bike. Wtf.
@firstnamelastname26693 ай бұрын
Any of these 'connected' setup incorporate any security features?
@romma113 ай бұрын
This tells me a very steep discounts are coming on existing stuff
@1barnet13 ай бұрын
Where have you been. There have been deep discounts for months.
@romma113 ай бұрын
@@1barnet1 yes I saw but this will trigger more
@embn2 ай бұрын
Great time to be in the buyer's market!
@johnf33263 ай бұрын
The trouble is, these innovations and advances are great BUT, can the average rider afford the bikes? I thought my Rail 5 was pricey at £4150. I'm sticking with that at 70 for at least another 3 years and then I might need summat with a gyroscope to keep me on it! 🤣
@jcgvirtuales12233 ай бұрын
Where is possible to see Preeto ebikes and motors?
3 ай бұрын
Actually, the Merida E 160 CF comes only with a 600wh battery and cannot take an 800. It can only take a range extender
@grounddodger32123 ай бұрын
I was gonna say, is this supposed to be a new model :/ as that's the 7k model with 600wh. I actually have the 7k on order at my LBS with the 8150 derailleur and shifter sitting there ready to be installed when it comes in.
3 ай бұрын
@@grounddodger3212 this is the new model released a couple of months back, Steve was wrong about it coming with a 800wh battery, it is only 600 but can take a range extender as well
@johnmfjw3 ай бұрын
Will any of these bikes be available in the UK.
@IIISentorIII3 ай бұрын
No, just like you can't use the Internet in the UK or share the the same air.
@FIGHTTHECABLE3 ай бұрын
In the UK you even need to pay for air 😂
@johngreason99643 ай бұрын
You visited the Bulls stand but didn't show the Vuca Evo? Come on, Jones...
@daviddring86922 ай бұрын
Is the dynem available in UK
@masterJODAz3 ай бұрын
Anything that is not a belt drive is old news.
@FIGHTTHECABLE3 ай бұрын
Agree, I have the a Simplon Rapcon Pinion and that thing is trouble free. Hope the gearbox hold up to my riding, had some gnarly shifts sometimes.
@Chris-ho4ki3 ай бұрын
I can’t imagine how many of these fly by night companies will be out of business in the next 5 years after market saturation, leaving many consumers with zero product support
@iffy_too42893 ай бұрын
You need to tell us what else Preeto do for vertical integration to be meaningful.
@scottamolinari3 ай бұрын
It's mind blowing how many companies are jumping into the eMTB market. Is the demand really that big? Or is the hype so huge it is misleading?
@jotham1232 ай бұрын
@@scottamolinari fat margin draw interest. how else you think a bicycle costs more than a new motorcycle.
@scottamolinari2 ай бұрын
@@jotham123 I agree. The prices are too high. And hopefully with all the new competition and a waning of demand, the prices will fall considerably.
@vicentvanmole3 ай бұрын
still have not seen manufactures try to make a smaller or hidden battery so more people can use public no ebike trail Fazua is almost there & suddenly change their course . U can make all the ebike but cannot be used anywhere , anytime !
@FIGHTTHECABLE3 ай бұрын
I ride wherever I want with my ebike. Nobody stopping me.
@inquaanate23933 ай бұрын
Bro, all i want is programable and not requiring a propriety mount
@goutamgoswami6662 ай бұрын
How can I get it in India ?
@TheReargunner3 ай бұрын
I want a electric MTB full suspension.but they are soo expensive. I might try second hand. 😕
@embn2 ай бұрын
There are some great second-hand bikes about, check out this video on GMBN Tech for some tips on buying second-hand 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3ixn6OKZaiokLc
@polska9053 ай бұрын
Some nice bikes but everything is proprietary, including the ridiculously overpriced battery...
@dj2000lbs3 ай бұрын
DJI should make cars they make everything
@JohnnyMotel993 ай бұрын
DJI is one of those companies that waits and looks at the competions products, then goes all out to leap frog the competion.
@hyperstimmed3 ай бұрын
Some of the prices 😬
@spawnrcandbikes3 ай бұрын
hope they put dji motors in my fav brands.....santa cruz, canyon, yt.......
@bensonr23 ай бұрын
I hope eventually brands come up with semi standard motor and battery mounts so we can install the system of our choosing in the bike of our choosing.
@dodger1x3 ай бұрын
Revonte had a similar MGU system before they went bankrupt
@paulcarruthers13142 ай бұрын
Just make them waterproof
@Paul_C2 ай бұрын
Why only focus on sporty bikes no self-respecting commuters want to ride?
@BuzzBikes3 ай бұрын
Where are the Bafang's ?
@ataksnajpera3 ай бұрын
in china
@lav1daloca2 ай бұрын
Any e-bike with a derailure looks stone age compared to pinion.
@cottonbrad3 ай бұрын
Now all we have to do is get the UK government to rescind the pedestrian 25km/h limit to increase safety for cyclists.
@Rickristian3 ай бұрын
Nice until it breaks. Cant pedal if gearbox is kablewi....big $$$$ to repair.. .
@spencerwvcmoon3 ай бұрын
Dread to think how rubbish the range is on the orange always loved orange I had the ealpine too expensive,too heavy and battery too small BIG DISSAPOINTMENT no they have dropped the ball and you sold out! Plugging it! Not impressed.
@anthonykinneen84432 ай бұрын
If anyone want to buy my ebike its for sale, battery fucked but i just want rod of it as i think its a piece of crap. Will take any offers
@frankiez74143 ай бұрын
All this tech and you’re still using a hand held microphone !
@embn2 ай бұрын
Can't beat them for audio in these packed halls! Well, maybe the Madonna mic would 😉
@icanonx36163 ай бұрын
They are all still priced like motorcycles, i hope they all fail. I hope all mountain bikers go on strike and stop buying, and realize that your old bike are still okay, dont buy these bikes . Sorry i am ranting because i cant afford to keep up anymore.
@anthonykinneen84432 ай бұрын
Ebikes are shit. I was caught in a light rain shower and pulled into shelter. Only to find that the battery will not turn on and I just relised that i now have a stupid Chinese paper weight that cost over £2000. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT AND I WILL BE ADVISING EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY FROM SHIT ELECTRONICS THAT THEY ARE PUSHING ON USALL
@franciscoteixeira27712 ай бұрын
so many paths so many options for the consumer to get lost and waste money. i never sawe such a scenario before in bike industry.completly mess each one present a product doing the same like the others and no real benefit for mtbikers. all having problems with no fast and reliable solutions in the next future . Even the betters and solid in the market are not completly reliable.They are all fishing for money- The list of errors that appear in the sreens are more than the visitors ahahah
@gato20022 ай бұрын
The amount of overpriced BS is staggering.
@etienneboucher951011 күн бұрын
11:46 The only good answer her could give was "friction is lower", but he did not: what he said is pointless: on top of being silent, a belt lasts way longer, and requires NO maintainance (lubrification...) If you have the belt at hand's reach, why would you screw up ?!