Amazon fake 5G safety stickers hazard

[@RH-ut7qv]

To be fair these could significantly reduce your lifetime exposure to 5g.

[@LarixusSnydes]

Interesting choice of words there. I love it :-D .

[@centralintelligenceagency9003]

You would need a lot (and I mean A LOT) of these for it to amount to any kind of significant dose. I swear, you people believe that radiation is an instant cancer death ray. You're no better than the 5G fearmongers, in a way.

[@RH-ut7qv]

@@centralintelligenceagency9003 Ingest for greater efficiency!

[@BradTech.]

Unproven harm? No, thanks; I'll take radiation.

[@kengurusafari]

Like inhaling water might prevent drowning :D

[@simpleminded1uk]

Okay, so now I'm really puzzled. The manufacturers know that: 1. thorium dioxide is dangerous and 2. the stickers definitely don't work. Why do they bother putting the thorium dioxide in at all? It must be cheaper to make the stickers without the (radio)active ingredient, and it'd be better for everybody.

[@hermitoldguy6312]

It's a radioactive waste disposal scheme - get stupid people to buy it.

[@meurigf]

IKR! This is absurd, how did this set up ever come about?!

[@mikealpha6717]

Maybe they’re getting paid to “dispose” the thorium as like a radioactive material handling service.

[@tydshiin5783]

@@mikealpha6717 You know, that actually sounds way more plausible than I thought

[@mouse454]

Negative ions can be created by atomic radiation. Shame about the overall ionic balance staying the same.

[@WizardTim]

Thanks for this PSA about those horrible stickers, it will certainly reach a lot more than I can. I've actually been working on a series of videos about those stickers and other similar modern quack radioactive products for quite awhile now (since 2020) and the whole industry of those products goes pretty deep. Reading reviews on Amazon and other platforms is pretty horrific, plenty of people either have them fall apart after a lot of use or will intentionally take them apart or even apply them to their skin or worst of all their child's skin! But I can't really blame people for believing the fake advertising and marketing claims especially when sold on reputable platforms like Amazon and Walmart, not the usual Wish or Aliexpress. Some *spoilers* for my video when I eventually get around to finishing it: * They don't do jack to 5G, but are instead pointlessly radioactive, my opinion is to label them "intentionally malicious" as they claim to get rid of harmful radiation but instead emit it. * The radioactive powder is between the adhesive layer and the metallic layer, most of the radiation still penetrates the metallic layer. There is a decent amount of machinery required to manufacture those stickers, a lot of which is not fully automated and requires a lot of manual manipulation of the stickers between machines. * Amazon US by my research has well over AU$140,000 worth of those stickers in stock (ownership and liability is debated as many are 'third party sellers') and sells over AU$9,000 to AU$15,000 worth of them a week. The storage of those products in Amazon fulfillment centers is somewhat hazardous to workers however they are unlikely to be near the boxes for long enough but OSHA certainly would not approve. *If you are an Amazon US fulfillment center worker you should refuse to handle those products and notify your supervisor immediately and report the storage of those products to the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission safety hotline* * I've analysed them myself with a small CsI gamma spectrometer and they contain a good bit of thorium as well as uranium (above the point you need a license to sell them), they aren't highly refined thorium but powdered rock from certain parts of China that are only slightly refined and sorted by activity. * The workers in China are the most at risk people from those products, I've got pictures from those rural factories and warehouses showing not just bags but pallets worth of this powder stored poorly with radiation levels well over 100 uSv/hr and of course workers are not told about the risks. * Their decay doesn't emit a lot of gamma but instead lots of alpha and beta so on a mica windowed pancake detector they give a much high count rate (1,000+ cpm per sticker). They're about as dangerous as a thoriated welding rod or two, however you don't carry thoriated welding rods around pointlessly with you all day. * I've sent some off to a lab for further traceable analysis with a much more expensive higher resolution gamma spectrometer to determine the absolute content of uranium and thorium and level of refinement which should make good content. I've spent way too much time and money on the videos to let them die (project folder is already 65 GiB) so I hope it will be a good watch when I'm finally done.

[@gavinstirling7088]

Hi Tim, I'll check out your channel and videos. Sounds like your content is up my street.

[@almaefogo]

Subbed and waiting for the video

[@Echristoffe]

Amazon workers should use a Geiger counter to check for those dangerous product … The whole warehouse could be closed for week if a radioactive contamination is detected …

[@thedangersofboredom]

Was the thorium powder intentionally added under the adhesive or an unfortunate byproduct of poor manufacture process?

[@timteecvhn]

Honestly, besides all of that and all of the risks of direct exposure to radioactive materials of potent variety. The primary thing that also concerns me is the damage done to the devices with such stickers attached. While the damage may remain mostly minimal tho, I still expect devices exposed to such potent sources of radiation to suffer a potential of quicker degradation of data and improperly sent and loaded data too. Effectively data corruption caused by radiation which... is typically irreversible as far as I am concerned anyways.

[@curtisehoffman]

I must admit, I would have never assumed that these would actually be radioactive...

[@jmargarson]

So much for Amazon stopping all sales of these radioactive "protectors".

[@TechyBen]

Why do they not give a Geiger counter to every driver yet?

[@F...G...]

@@TechyBen They make more money this way.

[@TechyBen]

@@F...G... Sadly yes. :(

[@Refertech101]

yet if you do meat curing and want to buy clean sodium nitrite you get F'd

[@Dwigt_Rortugal]

Amazon Robotics could attach relatively inexpensive geiger counters to their warehouse robots and record levels of radioactivity throughout. They could then have alerts issued to supervisors should acceptable levels be exceeded, or they could have people regularly mine the data in the form of semi-automated reports. It's highly probable that those robots have telemetry data in a database, and adding a table for radioactivity data might not be too difficult. When an alert is issued, personnel could go to the appropriate location of the high measurement and narrow it down to the radioactive product(s). They could stamp this out if they really wanted to, but will Amazon expend the effort and expense? Some companies in my area employ geiger counters in their garbage trucks with alarms to alert workers. It seems completely doable.

[@FranLab]

That looks like a gamma exclusive detector - I'd be interested in hearing the alpha/beta emissions. It may contain Radium or Thorium because those are both very cheap and widely available in Asia.

[@graealex]

You might be interested in this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmK4i5eCi9F1jsk

[@GUCR44]

Wonder how they ship? You think a big box of these would set off alarms..? Love your vids Fran! You rock!

[@soundspark]

@@GUCR44 "You rock!" Guessing you know what she's manufactured?

[@soundspark]

If the tube was clear glass would that be beta/gamma?

[@graealex]

@@soundspark Alpha and beta needs a tube that has a very thin window, and the material needs to be put right in front. Both alpha and beta radiation can only travel short distances in air.

[@alpcns]

Haha - that's so much in line with the current "Zeitgeist": pseudo-science, and things being, in fact, the opposite of what is claimed. Thanks Big guy for exposing it, and presenting facts and truth.

[@sladeoriginal]

like wearing dirty masks over and over that dont seal on the face. or 2 years of lock downs that did nothing to save lives.

[@robertsmiczsmiczamplificat593]

Amazon would sell a tactical nuke if they could get their hands on one.

[@MichaelOfRohan]

Might save some kids life thirty years down the road when they have kids and shit man thats sad as hell.

[@danielvanced5526]

Yes, like drinking acids to make your body less acidic 🧐

[@MichaelOfRohan]

@@danielvanced5526 or chewing chips of dehydradet arsenic.. that happened..

[@DonovanCYoung]

The problem being, of course, that anyone who has these on their devices most likely already believes whole-heartedly that WE are the ones wrong. It's the same principal as homeopathy; the belief that exposing oneself to MORE of some ill will cancel the effects. It's rather mind-boggling that people actually fall for this modern age snake oil.

[@Broken_Yugo]

People find simple answers to complex problems comforting, fairly basic propaganda technique.

[@Aereto]

We could always go with the Darwinian method and let their mistakes purge them from the gene and meme pools, but it is also difficult to contain. Suggested Rating: Euclid

[@Curt_Sampson]

_"It's the same principal as homeopathy; the belief that exposing oneself to MORE of some ill will cancel the effects."_ Well, at least the folks doing homeopathy don't _actually_ expose themselves to the ill. (Per Wikipedia: "...the selected substance is repeatedly diluted until the final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent. Often not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product.")

[@DonovanCYoung]

@@Curt_Sampson that is true, but the concept is the same... poison cures poison, etc.

[@annoloki]

@@DonovanCYoung No no, it's "memory of the poison", the idea is that the water "remembers" the bad thing. You might say it's like if water was vaccinated haha

[@mtreis86]

"Reduce non-ionizing radiation by using ionizing radiation."

[@bigclivedotcom]

That's pretty much it.

[@Basement-Science]

I mean, relative to each other, yeah it works.. lol

[@wirdy1]

You nailed it.

[@andyo1872]

You can reduce human violence by killing all human :D

[@billybobby7607]

Just stand in front of a pulsar beam and the radiation from your phone is now stopped. Hehehe

[@daviddavidson2357]

I remember the wrist straps on amazon. A lot of morons were buying them for their kids. Some people were complaining of rashes. A guy had a picture of the 'rash' it gave him. It was a radiation burn.

[@7thBatallion]

Sad I never got one. I'm building a collection of radioactive consumer products

[@daviddavidson2357]

@@7thBatallion Did you get one of the thorium filled massage pens?

[@7thBatallion]

@@daviddavidson2357 thankfully yes. It's safely stored, any radioactive dust scares the shit out of me. Tried to get the wristband, but all the ones I got were inert. Got a handful of the stickers and a pendant.

[@7thBatallion]

I'm not stupid enough to get the eye mask or blanket. Loose powder is a death sentence.

[@thewolfydragon1989]

someone bought me one as a present - i didnt even know much about it but had the same burns and thats when i looked it up online and found it was radio active. - even the person who gave it me had no idea just thought it was my style (which it was) but had no idea "negative ion" meant "radioactive material" (which is not really negative ions at all)

[@keithlambell1970]

An important health warning for a product that is actually worse than useless!

[@travisash8180]

Little Ralfy thinks you're stupid !!!

[@dave161141]

They are partially right. Once you get cancer, then any type of headache or insomnia won't be an issue for you.

[@stephencampbell9384]

@@dave161141 And it puts morons out of our misery :D

[@nequastar1826]

@@dave161141 true, true

[@Croz89]

I remember when The Thought Emporium got something similar. It might be worth reporting these to the regulator (might be ONR in the UK, but could be someone else). They tend to take a very dim view on frivolous products that are radioactive.

[@ProfessorYana]

MrWhosetheboss also did at least one video on these bogus "anti-5G"/"anti-radiation"/"energy harmonizing" macguffins. (I don't think any of the ones he got were actually radioactive the way the ones The Thought Emporium had were, but nevertheless they were absolutely bogus: mostly stickers, plastic and/or silicone rubber, and a load of old pseudoscientific codswallop.)

[@riippumatonlinja]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXOkZpWtZqqJa6s&ab_channel=TheThoughtEmporium Actually he does two diffirent times these thorium filled items reveal.

[@durandle9226]

and the US also radiation regulatory authorities REALLY hate these types of products

[@wirdy1]

Wow, I thought these were just a useless gimmick, but to discover they are also radioactive is astonishing.

[@TheEmbeddedHobbyist]

adding to the darwin awards

[@daveroche6522]

Weren't glowy Timex watches back in the '60s fairly dodgy?

[@DerMarkus1982]

Well, they're not *entirely* useless. You can at least test your Geiger counter with them, as seen in this clip!

[@matthewmiller6068]

Useless AND dangerous! What a combination!

[@daveroche6522]

@@matthewmiller6068 Ain't that the fault of the voters? Whoops sorry, wrong context.....

[@saalkz.a.9715]

Funny, 100 years ago people made toothpaste and all sorts of "healing" products containing radioactive compounds. Nowadays people make stickers, bracelets, rings, etc... "The more things change, the more they stay the same!" ; "Never underestimate the Hooman Stupidity Factor"

[@pizzablender]

I remember someone testing an ancient bottle used for mineral water. Mineral water that was touted as containing radium at the time - healthy! Turns out the bottle (empty, from an antique shop) was still really radioactive. Too active to have in the home.

[@Chris.Wiley.]

"Is naiveté a form of stupidity?" Hahahahaha - Ralph cracks me up.

[@beardsarejustfacepubes5682]

His ego barely fit in the room

[@5roundsrapid263]

I think it’s more a form of ignorance.

[@billr3053]

Ralph needs more guest appearances here. He cuts through Clive's niceness and speaks the unbridled truth. All too many of these imported products are scammy and harmful. Time to call out their country of origin each time for putting out rip-off products.

[@proloycodes]

@@beardsarejustfacepubes5682 yeah people are ego-filled for asking real questions

[@Scodiddly]

I'm not really interested in Ralphy's main theme, whiskey reviews, but his "Extra" videos tend be pretty damn good.

[@enzersama]

"Let's not accuse them of that they're innocent in this;" major respect for that point of view!

[@reedyd]

I like the tag team effort and the good-cop / bad-cop approach to "stupid people". (I'm with your brother on that one!)

[@tonysheerness2427]

I'm with Clive, the web is full of stories of 5g harming people so people buy stickers to protect themselves. They do not know what they are made of, how can you call them stupid? Clive's brother was all for them until the Geiger counter started counting up. How many of us have Geiger counters?

[@Thermalions]

There are people who are naïve and there are people who against all good sense choose to be naïve.

[@johnmccallum8512]

@@Thermalions Are you saying that some people are as thick as a brick?

[@HootMaRoot]

@@johnmccallum8512 I think you mean as think as 2 short planks

[@beardsarejustfacepubes5682]

I'm with Clive....how are people supposed to know a thing being sold by amazon is radioactive? That thing you bought yesterday might be radioactive, would you be stupid for buying it?

[@abs_nobody]

the worst part about these stickers is that they appeal more to kids due to them being shiny and being stickers and I'd reckon cellphone users' hands are the most vulnerable to the radiation, since these are usually slapped on the back of the phone, in direct contact with hands

[@thegorgon7063]

I'd hope kids have more sense, it's the misguided parents buying them for their kids is perhaps the real issue

[@dustinbrueggemann1875]

The problem is the company putting unlicensed nuclear material in a frivolous product. The consumer is not to blame. The only person to blame here is the company who made this, and the mineral supplier that didn't verify that the use was legal.

[@hob991]

The 5 G conspiracy always amuses me as its almost certain that those people have a 4 G phone in their pockets .... and those same people were warning about the danger of 4 G a few years ago !!!!

[@Basement-Science]

"But this time [the new thing] WILL kill us all!!!11"

[@misterthegeoff9767]

I was at university when the original scare came out about GSM phones. There was extensive research done at my uni back in the 90s that proved they were safe but what is a mountain of peer reviewed empirical evidence when compared with the power of conspiracy theorists on social media?

[@frankowalker4662]

They will all stop talking about it when they get 5G phones. They can focus on 6G then. LOL.

[@SerratedAMG]

5g enters the realm of deep penetrative high frequency radiation, around 30ghz. It is in microwave territory. The real "conspiracies" were that these things could communicate back and forth with hardware buried beneat the skin.

[@lorenzoboyd6889]

...and 6G will create significant panic.

[@josephvanas6352]

There was a rather interesting incident involving a similar product at a nuclear site a few years back. I work in the nuclear industry and a common thing to have is a personnel contamination monitor to aid in people egressing contaminated areas think of basically a phone booth with an array of radiation detectors that is stepped into and the person waits while it monitors their whole body to ensure they do not have contamination on them. This saves a lot of time because it keeps radiation protection staff from having to survey them all out by hand using whatever hand held instrument we have available. This was not where I work but came through an industry wide safety share. Someone had one of the negative ion cards in their wallet and it ended up alarming this monitor. Fortunately they did not have any "real" contamination on them it was just the stupid card shooting beta and gamma radiation through their clothing at an alarmingly high level.

[@Azlehria]

It's alarming that there's even a single person in the nuclear field who believes in this sort of woo. Of all fields this _ought_ to be the least susceptible.

[@DiverCTH]

🎶The Simpsons🎶

[@balin1600]

@@Azlehria ther are many people working at nuclear plants, that are not related to anything nuclear. for example: welders, cafeteria staff, security, etc...

[@BlueZirnitra]

@@balin1600 indeed. They don't employ nuclear physicists to serve hotdogs and take out garbage at nuclear facilities. It's a big place, the boffins are in offices and there is a whole army of specialists and general employees that keep the place running. Just because there's a reactor at the heart of it doesn't mean everyone on site has to have a degree in nuclear physics.

[@josephvanas6352]

@@balin1600 This is true and part of my job in radiation protection is to help these people understand radiation a bit better and how to work in contaminated areas. To be fair if you are working in a contaminated area you are required to have training explaining what the regulations are as well as types of radiation and the difference between ionizing and non ionizing radiation so in theory the person carrying the ion card should have had at least base knowledge on the subject. Although that still doesn't change the nature of people to forget what they have learned or just not connect the dots as to why these negative ion products are silly even if they have had training on the subject. The worst thing was that card was actually sold by an MLM scheme it seemed and for quite a price as well I looked them up and they were 30 USD or so for a card you could buy from an unscrupulous Chinese manufacturer for maybe a couple dollars at the most.

[@markmurphy3578]

What a dynamic! It almost sounds like we can hear the voices in your head that are ‘less diplomatic’ in their opinions. I quite like the idea of that!

[@niniliumify]

Amazon should be liable for selling these harmful products.

[@durandle9226]

but amazon passes that liability off to the seller like any "proper" evil mega corperation

[@Daniel1987H]

You should do more videos with your brother as Sidekick! Despite the unnerving topic, I found it funny how you guys interact.

[@billr3053]

Brother speaks the truth without needing to be "nice" and worry about keeping an audience of luddite viewers what would get offended easily for being called out as stupid.

[@vwgirl]

What's sad is Amazon US makes it impossible to report these products. It's buyer beware because Amazon really has no oversight.

[@Weaponsandstuff93]

I might get some of these just to confirm with a spectrometer that it's Thorium and not another form of Ionizing Radiation, regardless it's bad.

[@sleeptyper]

Check out Thought Emporium videos on these.

[@daveroche6522]

Anything that makes us beep, chirp, leak blood and/or watch reality television ain't a good thing.....

[@sleeptyper]

@@daveroche6522 Don't forget " worst driver"-shows.

[@freshrot420]

They defly aren't good, yet no ones mentioning anything but them! If they can sell these and Amazon nor anyone else raises an eyebrow, then it's fairly likely no one is checking anything and if they do, it's long after there is a problem.

[@ano_nym]

@@daveroche6522 what if you beep beep like a sheep?

[@zacharywolter]

When I worked for a computer repair company, there was a lady who came in with all of her electronics completely covered by these stickers. I wish she'd listened to us instead of calling us brainwashed, I wonder what became of her some days.

[@jksmellie]

Ah yes, the classic anti-radiation sticker that works by pumping you with even more radiation than the device you're supposedly protecting yourself from. It's like drinking more booze to fix a hangover.

[@darkstar.357]

except that actually works in some cases 🤣

[@peterjf7723]

Interestingly drinking vodka is a recognised treatment for methanol poisoning.

[@travisash8180]

Little Ralfy drinks so much booze he never gets a hangover !!!

[@lillexus5589]

Nothing wrong with the last sentence mate :)

[@a64738]

Not like fixing booze with hangover as that actually works and could be even healthy as helps with methanol poisoning (some types of booze has small amounts of methanol).

[@markfernandes2467]

In a weird way, this is impressively authentic for a scam and shows real effort for no reason. Why would the scammers go to the lengths of actually making the stickers radioactive? I mean it seems like they really put in the effort when surely all they had to do was make a sticker that does nothing at all. Going the extra mile like they have is gonna get them banned from Amazon for sure.

[@Halinspark]

A lot of comments are saying it's a way to pawn off radioactive waste products rather than spend money dealing with it properly.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@Halinspark we spent so much money on the Yucca Mountain geological repository when we could have just hauled the waste into an Amazon warehouse.

[@markfernandes2467]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD lol

[@markfernandes2467]

@@Halinspark Nope, this is Thorium oxide, nothing to do with "Nuclear waste". to be fair, you said "radioactive waste", which yes, it technically is. Otherwise, It's just found in the gound. There are tailings of it stashed in big piles some places, it's a by-product of monozite mining. Utterly valueless currently and just sits around doing not much. Government prohibits the use of it in most countires.

[@BlueZirnitra]

@@Halinspark I just don't know about that. Nuclear waste is a government issue and the idea of being caught selling it to everyone in tiny tokens is just ridiculous in a geopolitical sense. Like comic book villain with no regard for the consequences of making yourself an objective scumbag in everyone's eyes kind of thing. There are much less convoluted ways they could deal with it...like digging a hole.

[@stevenspmd]

The instructions above the picture do say the "Effect of Negative Health Sticker" ; guess they aren't totally lying! It is a negative health sticker.

[@bitcores]

"Anti-radiation" product is actually radioactive. So many cases.

[@lImbus924]

This is a great video! I knew the second it was gonna be when you said your brother was showing up. Gotta love brotherly banter!

[@marcusfoxx4965]

Good for you informing us about all of these dangerous items. You are doing a great public service. This has made me think , if someone will try to make a battery with these dangerous things. I'm with your brother, people are stupid. Keep up the good work.

[@zh84]

"I think he may have been beset by a little kitty." The best thing to be beset by there is.

[@veraxis9961]

What the... my aunt once got these for her phone. I think she has long since taken them off, but I might check just to be sure. I just assumed they were ordinary stickers meant to act as a placebo. Why would anyone do this? It increases the production cost of their quack product. That's just evil.

[@acmefixer1]

I already have an orange saucer, glazed with uranium oxide glaze, that drives my Geiger counter crazy. I also have a tungsten mantle for a Coleman lantern that also makes it go bananas. And then there is the thorium glass in my Canon camera lens that is radioactive. Geiger counters reveal some surprising things. Thanks, Clive and Ralph.

[@wirdy1]

The old coleman mantles are the best & brightest, if you can find old-stock & are careful when disposing of them.

[@kneau]

Using it on HVAC filters can help detect radon too.

[@cooperised]

@@wirdy1 Technology Connections did an interesting video on this. The conclusion was that there are modern mantles that are every bit as good as the thorium ones, but you need to get the right type.

[@RedHeadForester]

The camera lens being radioactive is news to me! Interesting.

[@LordZarano]

"makes it go bananas" Funny you should use that phrase, because another thing that's radioactive is... bananas Which leads to the wonderfully absurd BED - Banana Equivalent Dose, which is the amount of radiation you receive from eating a banana

[@SteveGuidi]

The short dynamic between you and your brother is fantastic! Perhaps he could provide a commentary track to the analysis of some other ridiculous/BS items purchased from eBay in the future.

[@EsotericArctos]

These things are such a joke. Even if they did absorb the electro-magnetic radiation, all that would do is make the phone emit more radiation to communicate with the cell tower. That would make the effect of radiation even worse. Even more of a joke that the radiation emitted by the stickers will do more damage than the phone radiation.

[@jochem_m]

Especially because the sticker is going to supposedly block the radiation on the side of the phone that isn't pointed at your head. If you (wrongly) assume it blocks 100% of radiation coming out the back of the phone, it's now going to have to power all the way up and blast that lovely 5G straight through your head instead.

[@crystalsoulslayer]

Well, that's horrifying. It never ceases to amaze me what people will do for money.

[@joopterwijn]

That’s a easy way to get rid of your radioactive wast material,…. “people” even pay you to ship it to them!

[@DiverCTH]

Just remove all the warning labels and let Darwin get on with his job.

[@BlueZirnitra]

Easy until you get caught by...the entire world...shipping radioactive waste to millions of customers? Utterly convoluted and stupid when they can put it in a hole in the ground like everyone else. This is just what happens when insane people with insane ideas are allowed to sell "products". Thorium is cheap, easy to buy, and if you wanted to get rid of it you could just sell it like the people these idiots bought it off in the first place.

[@kevinhardisty6465]

Crazy that it’s radioactive. It goes from nonsense to dangerous. Nice to hear Ralph

[@PghFlip]

Put this on your phone, and you won't have to worry about the phone's radiation! yeah, because you have to worry about the sticker radiation.... at least there is a solution for that-- put another sticker on!

[@bigclivedotcom]

100% guarantee of REAL radiation.

[@stepheneyles2198]

I wonder if rotating one of the stickers by 180 degrees cancels out the radiation from the other one? (joking of course!) Also interesting to hear they advise using on a hair drier. Where, exactly, it one supposed to stick said sticker on a hair drier?...

[@PghFlip]

@@stepheneyles2198 like out of phase radiation... Totally legit! 😆

[@Lemon_Inspector]

I love how you let your brother play with the stickers for a while before going "by the way, I wouldn't handle them too much"!

[@jamesluck2969]

That's not a terrible increase especially considering how many had to be within close proximity of the tube to get your count shown. Although I'd be worried of contamination. I've tested many if these over the years and most actually shed its source material. Be cautious, wash your hands thoroughly after touching, alpha seems weak and non concerning until you get it inside.

[@whitemonkey7932]

Alpha is the worst in it's own way...slow moving "heavy" that lumber their way through causing more damage than gamma

[@m.k.8158]

@@whitemonkey7932 yes, but ONLY if it gets INSIDE your body.

[@TheZombieSaints]

"Are some people stupid?" yes, Ralphie, yes they are...I still think you two are hilarious in the best way ever!

[@NickBR57]

Love your brother. Classic: "Sounds like a load of bollocks" and "Clive, are some people stupid" 🤣

[@tonysansom]

People that think other people are stupid are the easiest to fool.

[@GreysGhostFilms]

Psychologically this is called a 'self forfilling prophecy' where the person with hypochondriac tendencies ends up with the very thing they feared in the first place at which point, they then blame the 5G phone for the radiation rather than the radioactive anti radiation stickers. I agree with your brother and they can't be fixed!

[@CeeStyleDj]

Wow, at first I assumed the video was just about how much these are BS! It turns out it's worse.. geez.. Crazy.. I pray people don't purchase these.

[@efficiencygaming3494]

This reminds me a lot of the radium craze during the 1920s. People would go and buy radium-infused goods and drink irradiated water because of the supposed "health benefits" they offered. Little did they know that the radiation from those items was what ended up killing those people.

[@Onio_Saiyan]

If you contact the UK's equivalent of the NRC to submit a claim, it's possible to get that company shut down. There's a lot of quack products that use thorium dioxide. A channel called "the thought emporium" has two videos where he reviewed more of these quack products and told everyone about the dangers they pose.

[@petermichaelgreen]

The problem is it's whack-a-mole. The sellers have no significant business presence in the west so there is little for the western authorities to go after, I've seen some people suggest making marketplace sites liable for the products sold through them, but I suspect the result of that would be that marketplaces located in the west would shut down and people would be driven to offshore marketplaces with even less customer protectoin.

[@HappyJackington]

I appreciate that you corrected your brother that the people who buy this aren't stupid but victims. It helps no one shaming a person who falls for a scam like this, because more often than not they'll just double down and buy more of this crap. Treating them like a victim and someone who got tricked is better all around. Thanks for the PSA!

[@Nono-hk3is]

Ralph totally would have bought these if he hadn't seen/heard the Geiger counter.

[@GRBtutorials]

TBF, they technically didn’t lie about it emitting negative ions, as some isotopes and decay products of thorium emit beta particles (electrons). However, they omitted the fact it emits a lot more positive ions, as thorium is mainly an alpha particle (helium nuclei) emitter!

[@Croz89]

Are beta particles considered ions?

[@allangibson2408]

@@Croz89 Both are ionising radiation. Alpha won’t penetrate skin (or actually register on a Geiger counter unless it has an alpha window). Beta will however penetrate skin and is absorbed best by hydrogen containing materials (like water and oils).

[@Croz89]

@@allangibson2408 Yes, but ionizing radiation is something that ionizes atoms, it's not necessarily made of ions.

[@durandle9226]

@@Croz89 an ion is an atom or molecule with a net electrical charge so alpha and beta radiation ARE ions alpha being 2 neutrons and 2 protons 2 positive and 2 neutral chargers beta being a single electron 1 negative charge any non ionic atom has an equal number of protons and electrons resulting in a net 0 charge

[@Croz89]

@@durandle9226 But an electron is an elementary particle, not an atom or a molecule.

[@fireandcopper]

We've come full circle, from radium water and Marie Curie not understanding the dangers yet, then Chernobyl, now we're putting radiation in consumer products that aren't fire detectors

[@5roundsrapid263]

Modern smoke detectors don’t even use isotopes anymore. I think they use laser diodes now.

[@katydid5088]

@@5roundsrapid263 This is correct. And for anyone wondering, the newer smoke detectors have better efficiency and detection thresholds s in the event of a fire it gives you a better chance at getting out alive. When one goes off, please remember to keep low to the ground and est door nobs with the back of your hand before opening. If it feels hot, block the doorjamb with something wet and try climbing out a window if that is possible. One of the cool but scary things about an active house fire is that doors can limit the oxygen supply sufficiently to the point it helps increase your chances of survival so long as it's fire retardants is good. Opening the door not only let's fresh O2 into the fire (accelerating it) but lets in smoke which will turn a room that was slightly hazy to complete pitch blackness. At that point, you have to feel your way out of the house and hope there are no weak spots (if you're on the upper floor). Another aside is, if you're in a room with a bunk bed or loft desk, pull whoever might be up there onto the floor(if they're not already awake) if you can. Alert fire and rescue that someone is on a top bunk. Don't try and drag them out. Leaving them on the floor increases their chance of survival when Fire and Rescue find their way in as the pocket of fresh air stays on the ground level anywhere from a foot or a little higher.

[@TheMongooseOfDoom]

It's nice to hear your brother's voice in a video. From that other video you did a long time ago, I remember he's a real trooper. Both of you!

[@ZippletTech]

I found the product and reported it to Amazon. At first they said "the listing says it is anti radiation" but they seemed to take it seriously and will pass it on for review.

[@durandle9226]

don't report it to amazon report it to real radiation regulatory authorities hopefully amazon might eventually get in some trouble for it

[@jjorstad2]

You should report a safety concern to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission with the purchase link. Also include this video as proof they will do a investigation have the listing removed.

[@broderbunto2305]

What I don't get is, those are obviously a scam, but why going the extra mile to put in actual radioactive stuff. Why not just sell normal stickers? SHM

[@amyworrall9246]

That’s what I was wondering.

[@jmackmcneill]

Exactly! They actually had to WORK to make a product this bad. It's not like accidentally using lead-based paint, or asbestos, they actively had to INTRODUCE a radioactive componant, which they then do not advertise (because there are absolutely people that would buy something for the "good" radiation). It's utterly bizarre.

[@robertsneddon731]

The folks who make them think they're real. If they didn't add something at least slightly radioactive to generate ionising radiation they won't work as advertised, in their minds. Think Chinese medicine and Feng Shui and colloidal silver and all that sort of thing, it's all bullshit but to the True Believer there has to be a bull involved in the production process somewhere.

[@GriotDNB]

Waste disposal?

[@olavl8827]

It's not uncommon for quacks to believe their own quackery.

[@fluffyblue4006]

The metallic disc stuck on the phone very likely decreases the effectiveness of the antenna. The phone will increase its transmitting power in order to compensate for that loss. So, you're not only getting the electromagnetic radiation in the radioactive range but also an increased level of the 4G/5G range.

[@proloycodes]

um how? as i understand it, microwaves can easily pass through thin metals. or do you mean the nuclear radiation somehow interfering with the emr? in which case, idk & i would love to know how...

[@fluffyblue4006]

@@proloycodes The EMR does not easily pass through thin metals. That's why thin metals and metal foils are used for EMR shielding in all kinds of electronics that use EMR.

[@troyh3628]

Reminds me of the "improve your reception" stickers for phones in the late 90s that looked like they had a circuit board printed on them. Not sure if they were radioactive, but I knew the moment they came out they were just as useless as the stickers you have there.

[@SwervingLemon]

Interestingly, there were a handful of those that were legitimately engineered re-radiating antennae and *worked*.

[@dustinbrueggemann1875]

@@SwervingLemon That was back when phones had exposed antenna lines. There were a few where the antenna in the phone was just that shitty, and the right length of wire could technically be printed on a card. If there was any dust *at all* on the antenna lines of the phone case, it would do almost nothing because the electrical contact was too shitty. Pretty much every current phone has moved to a fully internal antenna for waterproofing now, and so are impossible to augment.

[@InducedBank]

Considering the expense and difficulty of getting materials to test your GC10 radiation detector this starts to look like a bargain.... but seriously bad news for folk using the for the purpose they're sold for!

[@barrieshepherd7694]

Get enough of them and you could build your own personal thorium reactor😂

[@Blazs120gl]

It would be one thing for these things to just, not being able to do what they offer, namely, protecting anyone from any radiation. But why the hell are they using these malicious practices of purposefully using materials that are straight out hazardous to their users ???? This is not an honest mistake, it's criminal.

[@Megatog615]

Wow, I thought they were just regular stickers. Then you brought out the geiger counter...

[@ibanezleftyclub]

They do the exact opposite of what they advertise. Perfect.

[@RK-kn1ud]

Makes you wonder how many other non "anti-radiation" everyday products are manufactured in the same building.

[@parmesanzero7678]

The fact that these could have instead just been mundane stickers makes me wonder how many other things that are not in any way related might be stuffed with radioactive elements for no discernible reason

[@dcallan812]

Ridiculous, Im supprised Amazon stock them I'm not supprised people buy them. But to add radiation to cancel out radiation is absurd. great info 2x👍

[@billynomates920]

i guess i'm a cynic then because i'm surprised people buy them and not at all surprised amazon stock them.

[@rolfs2165]

It's probably not Amazon itself who sells them, but a third-party vendor on their marketplace. But they need to seriously up their game in vetting the stuff that goes on there.

[@ziggarillo]

They don’t "stock them" they just link you to someone who does.

[@dcallan812]

@@ziggarillo Oh OK. 👍

[@dcallan812]

@@billynomates920 Me too

[@bytespider]

Ralph being brutal as usual. Oh geeze there are loads of these stickers still being sold on Amazon.

[@NGNetwork1]

it's amazing (but not really) that amazon still allows people to sell crap like this. Absolutely dangerous.

[@brianleeper5737]

I wonder if Amazon is still selling hairdryers with no thermal protector...

[@tommccallister]

I've just taken the step of raising the issue with Amazon. The chat agent said they'll urgently investigate so I suppose I'll see what comes of that.

[@brianm6337]

But- Amazon's CEO rode into space on an amusingly shaped rocket! How can we NOT trust him?! Holy *hell*. I don't even have words for the level of how abominable this is.

[@WilliamPayneNZ]

Clive if I may ask could you recommend a good Geiger counter or way to measure radiation? I have an idea for a fun little thing and need one.

[@jlp1528]

Thank you for covering these! I personally bought and tested several "negative ion" products on Amazon (Prime, no less, yikes!!!), all of which turned out to be radioactive. I reported them to the NRC and after several months they got deleted, but unfortunately it's a game of whack a mole. Many products that used to be sold as negative ion crap are now rebranded as this. A horrific situation indeed, but what can we do?! I'm sure KZbin coverage can only improve awareness though, so again, thank you. :)

[@g7dmo]

I instantly like Ralph and his turn of phrase towards the stupids amongst us. Please Clive, we need more of this wonderful double act to brighten our days and save us from the collective stupids.

[@CRWhiteside]

These are really effective, they separate the gullible from their money with ruthless efficiency.

[@maxine_q]

And it also prevents them from reproducing. Win win.

[@cortanajpn]

Out of curiosity, if one were to want a simple Geiger counter like yours, where would you recommend to go about buying one (in the U.K.)? It’d be interesting to find out what in my house is radioactive, other than the smoke alarms.

[@bigclivedotcom]

Mine came from an eBay seller in Japan.

[@TheGreatAtario]

Silly me, I thought they would merely be useless and not actually harmful

[@AureliusR]

I love Ralfy's reaction -- "Is that because they're stupid?" I lost it laughing. I have to agree with your brother, I think stupidity *might* play a part in these purchases. Though, I suppose if we just write them off as stupid then they are condemned to never learn.

[@Welgeldiguniekalias]

If you find this kind of product available at any local reseller, report them to the local regulatory agency. Don't complain to the reseller directly, because that will not prevent them from carrying unsafe radioactive dust spreading quack products in the future, and the threat of substantial fines will.

[@sprankton]

Whoever is selling thorium is doing a bang-up job on marketing. I swear half the "wellness" trinkets are made out of it.

[@googoogjoobgoogoogjoob]

Don't get it - why go to the trouble and expense of making something that causes the very effect they're claiming it protects you against? Sounds like selling doughnuts as an aid to slimming.

[@twocvbloke]

I got myself one of the DIY solder geiger counter kits (the basic noisemaker one, rather than a display type) from banggood a couple months ago (and took about as long to arrive!), and for the fun of it once I'd soldered it all together, I placed one of my spare thorium-type Aladdin lamp mantles beside it, and boy did it go bananas making all the blippy noises, very amusing stuff... :D

[@noawe_]

I need a sticker to keep people who believe that these do something away

[@travisash8180]

Just do what Little Ralphy does and wear the same clothes day-in, day-out. People will soon stay away from you !!!

[@andyo1872]

There are also people seriously believe in Flat earth..

[@DaveBob96]

Its called a gun

[@McTroyd]

Ralph appears! That must mean you came up with more interesting munchies then? 🤣

[@1800Supreme]

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled. I see this as removing the safety labels and letting it take its course.

[@lorriecarrel9962]

No shortage of bullshit products in our world..thank you Clive for pointing this out

[@rustymotor]

Nice radioactive sources for testing geiger counters and for experiments, must get some!

[@michaelthomas3646]

I reported some very simular to this today to Amazon so that they can investigate this, and a link to your video to Amazon earlier today, so hopefully reduce the number sold with Health and Safety concerns. but think Amazon need to do their own investigation on these so called affiliates, and the products they sell before allowing them to sell on the Amazon website.

[@MrCheesywaffles]

Thank you for sharing this. Amazon ought to have higher standards.

[@TRIPPLEJAY00]

Ralph's response "a load of bullock's" a true Scotsman 🤣

[@onecreativecriminal]

I like Ralph, very direct: "are they stupid?" 😂😂

[@carlubambi5541]

Loads of radioactive garbage being sold on eBay and amazon .Nice to hear Ralphy is there with you .Keep safe ,don't irradiate your brother ,I need more of his safe whiskey reviews

[@johnnorth9355]

Nuclear industry - we have got a waste problem. Sticker manufacturer - hold my beer !

[@KeritechElectronics]

Oh crap, I forgot to take my Rad-X! Now what? Looking for that sixth toe to use on Frank Horrigan. Haha, just kidding. Damn, this product was so ironic. In a wrong way.

[@SusanAmberBruce]

Thanks for the info, I wouldn't dream of buying anything like this that makes such wild claims, but I didn't guess about the thorium, that is so super silly, especially as the people that buy this kind of crap would have bought it without the nasty thorium in it anyway

[@Agsotro]

Loving the surprise guest appearance of your brother.

[@21palica]

Common sense Ralph! Bless his honest heart and unfiltered thought sharing!

[@anthimatter]

I can't believe these are still around. I remember these bloody things back in the analogue days!

[@bettyswallocks6411]

There was a time when products such as Radium Toothpaste and Radium Water were sold as having health-giving properties. And then people’s teeth started falling out and jaws dropped off, literally.

[@colin910]

Should have been longer. Get to hear more from the Chuckle Bro’s. Big Clive and little Ralf..😂👍❣️