Amazon Performance Parts Predator 212cc Mini Bike Update ~ Did They Fail?

Today we do our first inspection on the Amazon cheapest performance go kart parts. We drain the oil, remove the engine from the bike, and tear into it to see what kind of wear these amazon engine parts have on them. They overall look great until reassembly. That's when the problem shows its ugly face. Will these parts last? Stay tuned.......
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[@AquaticLogic]

Really appreciate the update and honest review of the Chinese parts. Lots of people cant afford the expensive high-end stuff, and it awesome to know what will work.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Glad I could help! We're always trying to make the best of a budget. lol

[@DownEastSaw]

If you can’t afford quality, save your money until you can. Buying cheap knockoff parts isn’t a cool way to go fast for less. It’s a shit way of stealing from the original designers of these parts and an awesome way to support a communist economy. Go you.

[@custombikesandtrikes4374]

I broke two ARC rods in 2 different 420 predator motors. One was installed by Vegas Carts and the other was installed by a friend. Both blew holes through the block. One failure occurred at a low speed and the other at high speed. Both builds were street legal motorcycles. I just leave the stock rod alone and never had a problem since.

[@davidholcomb9961]

Love your channel and your information has taught me a lot. My Predator 212 build used only high quality parts and has held up well. It's a rocket ship in a rascal lite with a 30 series torque converter!!

[@johngallarini5422]

I work at a dealership as a small engine tech. I've noticed over the last 2-3 years that all hardware is getting really cheap. I haven't gotten a good snap ring in 2 years. When you open them up they won't go back to shape. We've seen rod bolts break the head of the bolt off with less than 20 hours on the unit. Rod bolts back off and you can hear rod slap on a unit with less than 10 hours. That's been on single cylinder Briggs. The Briggs engines our mowers use have gotten bad. That goes from the single cylinder to the small twins. The castings of the blocks is bad. They'll have air pocket pits, even on the mating surfaces. Even the kawasaki engines are starting to have issues. I would definitely support a quality part on a personal build.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I've been noticing the same thing lately.

[@kylesyx8432]

I’ve built many 212’s, however I don’t have a lot of extra money to put in these. Bottom end needs American parts, valves and rockers but I’ve found nibbi makes good carbs at good price I’ve been thru dozens of carbs most have plastics That will fail once fuel run thru them. Definitely watch out for cheap fuel lines that will gum up the carb.and pilot jet! Biggest problem I’ve had besides carb failures is intake leaks, this will drive you crazy small leak can give you different symptoms. The vibration in high rpm’s will shake the engine apart. Thread lock is a must.!! Moral of this story is only use Chinese parts if you must, and only use them on the outside of the engine. If something is running 8k rpm between my legs imma make sure it doesn’t blow my junk off ! Arc billet , or forged metal only bottom end and flywheel ! Hope that helps someone from failing many times as I have!

[@NotMeeither]

First off a torque to yield bolt breaking when trying to reuse it is not a fail , they are meant to be used 1 time and replaced and it worked fine for that purpose. Second , if I was to build an engine like this I could only afford the cheep parts!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

That's why we kept using the parts. That one part failed because I used them twice so the testing continues.

[@imondatgudkushanakahal]

145 views in 12 minutes, this channel is goated and i love that you showed an update after installing the "parts" on the predator 212 / Honda clone motor

[@austins.6741]

Good video. I installed the chinese non coated flat top piston in my 224cc and have not experienced the same hard vibration being talked about. I do have the ARC billet rod installed.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

It could be in the rod. We are going to buy new and weight everything.

[@mikepippin1821]

How about getting the weight of the Piston / Rod down some, often milling the back side of the piston with ball mills, or have the crank balanced with heavy metal added.

[@kjruff7786]

Got some good quality name brand internal parts on the way but got the scamazon flywheel, carb, and gasket set. Gotta wait a good week to get it all, Im excited.

[@BaldyofCamino]

You have 2 ways to say oil. And it cracks me up! 1. Ol and 2. Oyul 😂

[@crisswenson3749]

I snapped a bolt on this piston kit first install. I agree, theres a bit of vibration. Its my first build, so its all learning for me.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I'm sure the quality varies being from China. You never know what your gonna get.

[@WyFoster]

I found almost all of these motors are rod and piston side heavy. So, I'll polish the crank around the rod journal and remove all the rough casting. That actually helps quite a bit to smooth out the engine vibration.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

We will try that out soon. Thanks for the heads up.

[@jimwoodrow1964]

On these 2stoke 85cc bicycle engines we balance them to 55-60% balance factor, and spin them over 12,000 rpm.You could check the balance and show difference before and after.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

We will do that in another video. Thanks for the comment!

[@jimwoodrow1964]

@RedBeardsGarage Keep up the good work love the show by the way.

[@Minibike817]

Texas loves you ❤️

[@TerryMHuntmech]

Appreciate the update 👍🏻

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

I find that the Chinese aluminum flywheels cause a lot of vibration. I don’t like installing them anymore. It’s either ARC, EC, Slipstream, etc. for me.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I tried to buy one when doing this test but they were all sold out.

[@Oleman72]

I have no problem with the rods. Now I don't change out the piston but the rods are fine.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Wow thats wild i think black66 had good luck with his arc clone too 😅i guess ill just keep it for a paper weight or just get better bolts 🔩

[@aaronmaruri]

Keep us posted with these videos

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Will do. Just need to get some more time on them and we will update.

[@aaronmaruri]

@ awesome thanks for the reply God bless you

[@thepubliceye]

One bad thing I found out about Knoff parts made in China is that they are backed by American companies.

[@bikescarsandmore6156]

I have snapped an arp bolt while torquing in a 212, also made it to 140inlbs, got Jody Powell on the phonen. A new set of rod bolts sent out n motor is still kicking to this day. I have ordered cheap China bolts n didn’t snap one but it didn’t wanna torque properly so threw those out n ordered a true set of arp

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Good to know. I haven't had any bad luck with the ARP bolts but I'm sure there can be some bad ones. I like Ole Jody Powell. He is a good feller.

[@jakedrew7365]

Great series. Thanks for doing this for the community . What torque converter belt you have the best luck with?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I use Amazon belts to be honest. I think the cheap ones out weight the expensive ones because there so affordable.

[@kjruff7786]

Get a better drive pulley. Got the heavy duty juggernaut pulley and haven't replace a single belt since the change.

[@jakedameron4867]

Great testing!! I think the rod itself is descent quality and tbh all hardware on cheap parts should be replaced with ARP quality hardware like you mentioned. Same example goes for the 30 series chinese torque converters using comet replacements parts like brass bushing and belt. I actually feel arc is top tier in that area because they use ARP bolts which even surpass eccarburetors forged rod bolts.

[@rachalhollier5679]

on my personal engine i use a MARS rod and order titanium bolts. stock bolts are too heavy!! on the chinese flat top piston with no coating,i removed material on the wrist pin side both sides of wrist pin, both sides. then i raise the skirt side 3-4 mm's and match both sides,then remove material off the leading side of crankshaft in the rotation of it, i angle the leading side to an angle to a point to cut thru the oil and let the rod splash lubricate the center. with rod and piston mounted to crankshaft i let it roll on 2 round rod's until it makes 3 to the 4th rotation when i let go of crank with the rod up. now my Ducar does not vibrate and revs very high using the stock wildcat camshaft. next is brown box 320 cam.

[@lungsup]

Ha, I did the same stuff on a Briggs 33 cubic inch single as part of balancing it. Funny when people think what they did is odd only to find out another dude is doing the same thing.

[@rachalhollier5679]

@@lungsup we do what it takes to get a balance factor we can live with. also,the crank stroke/arm where the connector rod goes to usually has way to much weight on one side,especially when we switch to an aluminum flywheel. i drop ounces off and open up the entry of the hole where the rod goes onto the crank. great minds think alike!

[@lungsup]

@@rachalhollier5679 I TIG welded weights onto the Intek crank so I could remove the AVS balancing system. Revs to over 5500 without problems where the normal system would go out through the block by then. Race mower stuff.

[@559Minibike_AV]

The same thing happened to me with a genuine arc rod I reused the rod from a old build with new rod bearing but the same bolts and while torquing the rod down one snapped the same way yours did replaced the bolts and been great ever since I don’t see a problem with reusing a rod in a different motor and that rod has a lot of hours on it before its second motor

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I have used rods in several engines with no problem. I think I will keep a spare set of bolts from now on.

[@kjruff7786]

​@RedBeardsGarage when I was a kid, I would go through the trash and pick tractors, lawnmowers, pressure washers and break all the motors down to build one good one. Every once I'm a great while you'd get lucky and find some great aftermarket stuff too!

[@NCMATT]

Do a live 72 hour motor running test with motor Non stop running 72 hours.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

We do need to do that. I will build a new engine for that so it’s a test on its own.

[@faolan571]

@@RedBeardsGaragethat'd be sick. We need to know how long these motors can last

[@amandarego9684]

Great video. I almost bought one of those rods and now I'm glad I didn't 👍

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Glad we could help.

[@christiannagy8417]

I first thought you wanted to make us think, the rod bolt came lose and you found it in the bottom of the block when you opend it up.. theeen i thought: why does he upload clickbait like this?.. the moment i wanted to write a comment about this, you explained that it snapped.. soo: no hate, your videos are great.. i knew i could trust you Greg 😂💪

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Thank you sir. I appreciate your honesty and your support.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Appreciate these budget build vids i got one of those rods for like 20 bucks the 3.308 one it didnt even come with no bearings to install idk it seems kinda shady lookin do u think its better to use amsoil assembly lube for the crank and rod bearing ect or the break in oil i gotta run to break it in properly

[@nightowl5959]

I was gonna get this kit. Went with the go power sports one instead. Good thing I did

[@kjruff7786]

Got go power sports cam, rod, valve springs, scamazon mikuni, flywheel and gaskets. We'll see what happens.

[@jflorf909]

What cheap people gotta think about is without companies like ARC EC carbs NR racing Gage China wouldn’t have anything to copy…therefore there wouldn’t be companies investing in new products for us. We gotta support those who support us and our hobby

[@aaronthomas6155]

Actually, in the case of the majority of "knock off" products.... Chinese factories are actually the ones producing the name brand products as well. The "knock off" products are simply samples that failed QC for some reason but are still deemed "useable".

[@joshkelly3743]

I wonder if you could take some weight out of the piston ? Or if that may be the intent for the heavy piston is to be balanced to your crank. Do a weight comparison on the piston and the pin

[@TheClintmeister]

Get a HF gram scale and weigh it against the stock piston and get it in better weight.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

We plan to do that with a new piston.

[@jakedrew7365]

My thoughts is if these knock off rods were half price but for a few bucks more get a name brand tried and true part.

[@kylesyx8432]

For those that are fortunate I’m sure they will buy Gage/ & ARC but for folks like me, I don’t have a lot of money and I don’t compete, but I love performance and HP ! I would try the rockers, but I definitely wouldn’t put cheap parts in my block! Love your videos ! You claim your no Pro.. I think you have enough time, experience and knowledge to claim “ You are a Pro “ ! These Chinese parts are gonna vary from part to part. So it would be hard to say they hold up. Even if it did in your video.

[@motoman22atgmail]

He IS a pro, he’s just a humble one who lets us learn along with him 😊

[@irepairofpc31familykartrac51]

That is why I set my valves at zero lash they always loosen up a few thousands pretty quick.

[@vosimichurch]

I had a ARC rod fail on me. The top bolt came loose and the bottom one broke. This was after a year of riding. I’ve seen a China rod they do look nice. The one I saw had the chrome Allen head bolts.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I haven't ever had a bolt work out but they do say to check the torque after so many hours. I haven't seen the chrome bolt rod. Maybe that is the cast one that looks billet. I will try and get it soon.

[@sampeterson1966]

Hey brother, can you do a propane predator 212 dyno? Both stock and upgraded. That would be sweet!

[@ace-lv5gp]

Does that cera kote really do some good

[@powersports_garage]

What do you think of the cast aluminum flywheels from Amazon? Could you possibly review one?

[@earnestmatlock9694]

It's a china engine to start with, but a good copy of Honda. Lighter/stronger parts are best for a rotating assembly. Yes stuff can be made cheaper, but In the long run its pretty much garbage 🗑️. Chinesium isn't known for durability. Good video, glad the engine didn't swarm on you on the trail. 73 GOD bless Earnest K5EWM.

[@Diego-Urteaga]

Hello, were you able to find out where the aluminum in the oil came from? good job, thanks from Argentina

[@adamjankowski4315]

Prove that the weight of the piston and rod is whats causing the vibration. Weight them and compare. Its very likely the crank and flywheel IMO

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I will weight them in the next video on these parts. I am going to get a new piston and rod so there is no miss information on the weights.

[@takemopenn]

I won't consider it a fail, it's torque to yield , use it once and toss it

[@RedBeardsGarage]

True. That's why I'm going to keep on running it and just see how everything else holds up.

[@migs610]

I think it vibrated the most around 3600 rpm. My brother bought a ghost and it vibrates like crazy around that rpm’s. Stock btw. He built it and it’s still the same. It would be very interesting if you can find out why

[@kevinAuman1]

Heck if you have a steady hand and trust yourself to do it just getchu a Dremel and port/polish thee inside or underneath the piston in order to lighten it and if you do it ya very well may get rid of the nasty vibrations as well....

[@frankyanish7943]

Did you use the wrong flywheel ? It was a hemi block

[@davidjernigan8161]

A lighter piston is easier on the rod bearings as well.

[@srcobra50]

With my budget I would use the Chinese stuff just prob spend the money on better bolts but believe me if I have the funds Il use the hood quality stuff from ec, studz and omb warehouse

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Fully understand brother. They work but will be interesting to see how long they hold up.

[@RandyM-p7p]

Very informative!

[@fasterthunder8308]

Should put a Chinese or amazon cam and see how it holds up, I've thought about buying an amazon one there just wernt a lot of options for a 224 predator last I checked. And i dont have many tools so i cant really grind anything

[@dougstripp7522]

I would wait until I could afford the high end part’s because Chinese parts cost me a engine block in the past.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

That's my thoughts exactly.

[@buzzedalldrink9131]

hi Redbeard, I am your newest subscriber. I am new to building go karts however I purchased a predator 212 hemi a few years ago for $100 from HarborFreight. in one of your videos you mentioned putting a non-hemi head on the hemi engine. My question is is that the only difference between the hemi and the non-hemi because I’ve noticed that there are much more aftermarket parts and upgrades available for the non-hemi and can I use those on the hemi engine if I change the headin the electric and charging system and would you know if they make an aluminum flywheel that includes the charging magnets thank you

[@brandonhackley7067]

If it has that much vibration, you are losing power. As everyone knows you get what your pay for

[@BigPerm89]

Hi Greg, I wanted to know if BE powerease engines any good (specifically 420cc ohv R420).

[@marvinschleicher5542]

The parts mabe low quality but the vibration if not fixed will surely cause more problems(wheather you use lock tight or not)

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I agree. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[@Deucealive75]

I like the RLV mini 91. Takes the edge off of header noise and is light weight. I didn't need to use a brace. Would never get the Chinese rod. And they copied the Champion rockers. No way I would use them.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I’ll check out the mini 91. I haven’t used one before.

[@BarefootBradley]

What ever happened to the 20hp 224 predator after the last rebuild . I’d also love to see the 224 on the road to horse power with a couple different cams from dynocams and other similar ones

[@Johnnyboy71792]

You know what sucks? I got all those parts sitting on my workbench right now. 😢

[@jamesfalvey77]

Does R.B.G still rep Go power sports? I'm not buying Amazon parts for my engine. Made that decision before this video. Cheers I'll take that as a "No they don't"

[@WyFoster]

Also, for me the rod bolts are single use. $16 just isn't worth the risk of them snapping in operation.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I agree. I’m going to start buying a few pair to keep on the shelf. It would suck to ruin a day of riding because of $16.

[@gaspuppygarage3782]

So is everyone just installing parts without checking the balance? Seems a little irresponsible not to check parts, clearence and alignment's when installing parts in an engine

[@tonyp9179]

Just say oil like paul wall, its ok

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Lol can’t get rid of the southern accent.

[@tonyp9179]

@RedBeardsGarage lean into it brother!

[@hakman239]

How did the Chinese rod hold up its self

[@ToGrimmToWin]

Been riding my Massimo mb200s and it's lots of fun. It does vibrate around 3400/4000rpm. The governor seems to kick in around 4600rpm but if you got it and then slow roll the throttle I can get it to 5000rpm. What's the smoothest motor you guys have seen I've been looking at the 223cc range motor options though seems wildcat is probably the one to get

[@fishingwithjj69]

I bought one of these and not even 5 hours on the rod the bearings cracked it half’s and destroyed my rod and crank

[@RedBeardsGarage]

That’s pretty interesting. I’m sure all the color in the oil is from the bearings.

[@marvinschleicher5542]

When you change parts that are not stock it should be rebalanced. Vibration is always a concern,especially when performance parts are used. That should be a given! This is my opinion only, just sayin is all

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I agree but when buying from quality performance companies they take these things into consideration when building their parts. China does not.

[@scottmoodysr9449]

Is there any way to shave the piston and get it close to balanced?

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

You can machine the crown but it’s a pain to do. Plus it may be too thin to begin with. You also impact your compression ratio. Some automotive pistons and rods have a balance pad which is an area where you can remove material to make them lighter. Never seen it on a small engine though.

[@andrewklahn7899]

The answer that I have built an engine but I never use cheap parts off Amazon I bought from go power sports or OMB Warehouse😊 and I would only buy from companies in the United States😊

[@danpenry8899]

I would weigh the stock piston and then remove material from the bottom base of the Chinese piston till it weighed the same

[@garykarenmcgruther6386]

Only issue I don't like about the ARP connecting rod bolts? Every Connecting Rod manufacture that uses ARP rod bolts? They come with very specific instruction on Torquing them and measuring the overall stretch length when Torqued down. This small engine ARP rod bolts do not. I have called a billet rod maker and wrote to them on this issue? They will not respond to me on the Stretch length even after its been used and out of the connecting rod. It scares me to think we are using ARP rod bolts thats being stretched without knowing the overall stretch length and its yield. I do know ARP is a very high quality bolt maker.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I will find out that information sir. Stay tuned and I’ll post about it.

[@hershelshochter4703]

can you balance a heavy piston with weights on the bolts?

[@pinsandscrews6459]

I would really love to know how you would balance a Single Piston set up to cut down on the excess vibration...I have done V-Twin, L-Twin, 4/5/6/8 cylinder engines, but never a single...

[@RedBeardsGarage]

From what EC says you really can’t.

[@Movingman83]

WC22 vs VM22

[@mitcrex]

I like internal to usually be localy made but I use alot of amazon stuff

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I honestly do to but not when it comes to the main performance parts.

[@ToGrimmToWin]

Almost Looks like the break in oil change from my Massimo mb200s

[@jamesmikesell5458]

Do it right the first time

[@irepairofpc31familykartrac51]

Never use a stock rod or flywheel over 6,000rpm it will not last.

[@jakedameron4867]

BUT we're better off supporting our local suppliers🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@toddstanley7804]

What is the weight difference of the piston?

[@Tatrick]

Any clue why my juggernaut driver might be sticking when I let off the gas?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Probably needs cleaned and serviced. Next Tuesdays video I go over that so stay tunned.

[@jakesgonecrazy08]

I've got a 212 on my rsv and it vibrates soo bad. I have plans to mild build it but I'm worried with the vibrations. The 196 that came on it got ran without oil, but was smooth so that's the reason I replaced it with the 212. Now idk if I should swap it or just build it.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I honestly would start with the most displacement possible.

[@williamsouthworth5275]

Enter the Sand Man! Metallica! Ha?

[@Movingman83]

Coulda just balanced the crank like your supposed to when u change out piston n everything would be perfect 🤷

[@rscloco60]

Can you build a ryobi 212cc I been getting like 55 mph completely stock nothing but a exhaust pipe and straight chain on 200u-A and I’m 290 6’6 I think it’s a good moter fr

[@brianechols7008]

What kind of bike is that?

[@MAD450r2]

seems the rockers weere ok. but the rod no way would I buy. can you test that piston on a stock or better rod to see if its weight is causing the vibration or is al from the unblanced and uncentered bearing locations. im looking to make my nephews predator 212 non hemi run better I need clean carb but id like to pull the govenor change carbs and bet him a flywheel that can rev higher [one from a tilotson I was thinking and its governed spark.]

[@ObeytheEight]

🧢

[@mickgibson370]

I have taken a look at high stretch bolts and nuts out of China. Grade 8 is about grade 5 from China . Even the Chinese military gets boundered!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I have always wondered on buying cheap hardware in bulk if the strength is what they say it is. Figured not to be honest.

[@mikedavis3440]

Hi there This is great content I will say this I don’t think the rod is a fall it say to change the bolts they are torque to yeild bolts 2 I find that there are a lot of good Chinese parts out there and just for the people who are not wealthy and would like to build carts or bikes I find that if you do your research and follow the proper instructions you should be ok I have been rebuilding small engines since I was about 8 when I was in my back yard shop my dad built for me he would find stuff for me to work on and I would order parts from catalogs and or small shops so I am here to say this if you are having fun Remember low cost doesn’t mean no fun it means you can rebuild and go back the next week end and play your not whating on parts or money I used to carry part for my go cart in my dads truck every time we went out so it may have been cheap parts but I could fix it and keep playing I am not saying that expensive parts aren’t worth the price I am saying I could buy more parts for lease money and have spares to fix and get back to the fun You guys rock Thanks for the content

[@jamesdougan8789]

i would not support the chinese products not worth the risk in quality and damage to other components and longevity pay once for quality products cry once good video cheers

[@Junk-yard2022]

Based on this information I would buy the cheaper ones but I find most HP engines don’t have enough vibration for my liking I need to feel how they’re running

[@patarmstrong3582]

Lol. Vibration isn't a good thing in a single.

[@brennenarredondo8476]

First let’s go

[@chasecapehart]

You get what you pay for

[@davidpickens3117]

What version of the Bible do you use?

[@user-theunoone]

hey do you know of any higher compression pistons for a predator hemi? Out of curiosity what is the weight of that piston?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I need to buy new ones and weight them.

[@TedWake-kc1rp]

Just go EC its not much more and american product

[@ct200u]

Blead gear'ds barame

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

I don’t mind the Chinese or anyone else entering the market. The problem is the IP theft. Don’t make inferior copies of someone else’s product. Those people put all the money, time and effort into development. Copying it is stealing. If they would design and market their own though, have at it. Ironic to say of course since most of these engines are a knock off of a Honda.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Well most engine companies like EC make there own blocks and heads. Really the original Honda stuff is the worse performing. I do get what you are saying though. I would like to see China make their own completely original performance parts and put them to the test.

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

@ Yeah, the Tillotson/Ducar, Wildcat, etc is definitely better than Honda. For the performance stuff anyhow. I just hate how the Chinese will copy everyone else’s work then undercut them on price with an inferior product. I used to work for a tool company and I’ve seen the Chinese make cheap copies of other cheap copies. It’s nuts.