AMC Javelin 401 AMX VS HEMI CUDA

[@jimmyers8939]

love the 401....it was amazingly competitive against a hemi

[@charlesnash4809]

Before switching to road tracks, I started with a new 4-speed 68 AMX 390 (with all the dealer installed upgrades). I can't tell you how many built-up Dodge 440 Six Packs I caught mid-track and won just at the finish line.

[@audieconrad8995]

Rambler boys spoiled more than a few Big-3 parties!

[@christopherd2100]

I expected the hemi to be faster. That's fine. They're legendary for a reason. But the 401 was right there on its heels. I respect that. Good race.

[@iconofsin5886]

It was keeping up with the Hemi. This company had so much potential.

[@bmgbryanmgar1976]

AMC was Ford Chevy and dodge basically they used parts from them all AMx javelin rebel

[@dansmusic5749]

No. Or maybe yes on the smaller parts. Engine was 100% AM design and built. It had forged crank and rods with a high nickel content block. This engine was so strong it was used for racing with very few mods. It was also exceptionally durable.

[@gordocarbo]

@@dansmusic5749 One of the few mfrs that really made the blocks stronger So many claim GMs high nickel 010 blocks were which is bs Numbers just showed where it was cast. Nothing special Love the bigger lifter bore of the amc nice advantage

[@stephenbrown3868]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.@@bmgbryanmgar1976

[@ghostcheveyo2475]

To anyone that says "these could be beaten by this and that!" Where is your video at with your 13 second or better car? Awesome runs and a good race..... which was the point of the video.

[@ragincajun2263]

If both were stock spec engines I must say that is quite a performance considering the 401 gave up 25 cubes. Not bad at all.

[@oldolfmann8927]

I bought a 1968 AMX that was registered to Randall AMC / Jeep in Mesa Arizona. When I bought it around 1982 I was told that it had been a factory road racer for that dealership (the guy selling it claimed to be on the pit crew that raced it for Randall). I don't know all the details of what had been done to it, but it had been lowered, had some Koni shocks, it had an 850 Holley Double Pumper on it, there were some gold anodized roller rockers in there, and a braided line under the intake to get some more oil to the back. Some Headers. It also had a 12 pound Schieffer Aluminum Flywheel that had a Ceramic coating on the clutch surface instead of the normal steel insert. It also had a very heavy scatter shield. I can't remember all the other little things it had done to it, but I can tell you this.... I never lost a race, and I have only ridden in a few cars since then that ever seemed faster. Second gear you could break the tires loose just by pushing the gas pedal down. It was fun, that thing liked to dog track a little thru the first 3 gears. That thing would lay 2 solid strips of rubber thru the first 3 gears and when you hit forth the strips would fade away. ====== ===== ==== === I once took off a little fast on Foothill Blvd in Rancho Cucamonga, a couple miles down the road I got pulled over. The officer admired my car a few minutes then said to me "I really enjoyed watching you take off back there a ways, but when the radar gun said 70mph and you still had smoke coming off the tires, I had to come get you" I miss that car! p.s. I do currently own a 69 Javelin that someone put a SBC350 in with a Turbo 350, a 69 AMX with a 304 (supposed to be a 390), and a 1976 Jeep Wagoneer with a 401 in it. Guess what's gonna happen to the 401???

[@audieconrad8995]

That's awesome! 😄👏

[@paulcoenen7918]

Yeah Baby! Yeah! Hope you got it done😊

[@jasonpursley3206]

I like the AMX. AMC would have had a different story if they had released the AMX/3 for production.

[@mattsez2879]

+Jason Pursley I agree....the union strikes just about killed AMC at that time, and they were forced to close down the AMX3 project......what a shame

[@sporkfindus4777]

@@mattsez2879 If only. The AMX/3 is a small piece of the incredible AMC story. What they achieved on a shoestring is so impressive. It's good that they at least made a few AMX/3s

[@TighelanderII]

I'd love to see a SC/Rambler vs. the Cuda

[@Jamby5isalive]

I love the AMCs. Doing a resto on one right now actually. "Almost a car" my ass haha

[@Bigdog302V8]

both cars ran great and it was a great run for both!

[@danbaumann8273]

Gorgeous machines. Great race.👍👌

[@gravelydon7072]

Want to race, just take a 68, 69, or 70 AMX 390 and drop in the 401 crank and 1970 heads on it. I had a 401 crankshaft in my 69 AMX's 390 and you would not believe the torque that engine made with everything else but the head gaskets being stock. You couldn't use a stock head gasket for long as they would blow right out. Aftermarket FelPro were not longer lasting. If you didn't want to change them weekly, you had to use the 1973 gaskets for the 401. Problem was that the extra length stroke of the 401 was it exactly matched the deck clearance of the 390. So instead of a 10.2:1 you were in the 12.5 range and the gaskets just could no longer handle the pressures. Do those mods and you also needed to chain down the driver side motor mount. :-D Otherwise your fan blade might eat your radiator. Don't ask me how I know that. I miss my old 69 AMX. :-(

[@mothertree]

wow you really had a runner didn't you...and such good info...damn thanks Don

[@gravelydon7072]

I found out the hard way about the crank. I was sold a crank that was supposed to have been a 390's but was a 401's instead. First head gasket lasted less than a week. Second one went a couple weeks before it blew. Then I got smart and checked the stroke. The only gasket that was thick enough to help were the ones from 1973 that AMC used to lower the compression from 10 to 1 to 8.5 to 1. So mine got a set thanks to a tip from a factory rep. Took two batteries to crank that engine when warm.

[@Someguyto]

I still have my 1970 amc ambassador. I would like to restore that whole car. Smoothest riding vehicle I have ever drove.

[@gravelydon7072]

+Someguyto, We had a 68, two 73s and a 74. Have to agree with you on the ride. I also drove a 75 Matador wagon at work and liked it much better than the police spec Grand Monaco wagons from 1977. One of the 73s was a police spec car and had extra steel plates under the carpet. Still rode better than many of the other offering from the competition. An Ambassador at 90 MPH just took the bumps in stride.

[@iwannapoop]

You forgot to mention the indestructible lower end!!

[@johnsimpson5406]

Well, 1st off, I love the use of the airport runway, like we do when we rent a small airport here in Western PA for an afternoon and conduct what a local organization calls the Flashlight Drags. Next props to the Javelin on the run, I hate to assume,.... but here goes, that the AMC JAVELIN AMX contained a 401 c.i. mill. The 'Cuda obviously has a transplant HEMI since the body is also obviously a post '71 body based on the tail lights and front grille divider, sporting a '70 AAR hood. Based on the E.T. the 'Cudas HEMI was running around the proper elapsed time based on my experience and the times that were witnessed and documented by the media outlets at the time (1970). Media being Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track, Popular Hot Rodding, Car Craft, and Hot Rod magazines. In fact Motor Trend determined that the 2 fastest cars in the quarter mile in America were the Plymouth HEMI 'Cuda and the Buick GS 455 STAGE I, in 1970. Both running consistent 13.5s for quarter mile e.t.s and with the only variations measured in the hundredths and thousandths traded back and forth between the two cars. Both cars in stock condition on street tires. Again, I am assuming that as the Video states, that the 'Cuda is running a HEMI. Wish they'd videoed the engine compartments.

[@nzsaltflatsracer8054]

In my muscle car fleet I have a 70 hemi Challenger & a 70 401 Javelin, both bone stock & un-restored. My hemi out ran the 401 by about what you see here, we switched the wheels & tires & switched the results. My 70 R/T Coronet 440 mag will out run both of them. The 401 has a 4.165 x 3.574 bore & stroke with a 2.02 intake, factory rating 330hp @ 5K, you have to run it like you stole it around to 7500 just like the 429 SCJ. They're all sexy bitches!

[@glennhansel9411]

I call BS. The 70 Javelin NEVER came with a 401 stock.

[@nzsaltflatsracer8054]

@@glennhansel9411 The last production of the 70 Javelin were sold late in the year along with the 71's, I know of two other 401 SST's.

[@glennhansel9411]

@@nzsaltflatsracer8054 Those would have been modified 1970 Javelins. "For the 1970 model year, AMC updated its second generation V8 by increasing engine block deck height thereby creating its third generation V8. For 1970 the third generation V8 was available in 304, 360, and 390 cubic-inch configurations. The 304 and especially the 360 would have production longevity. The 390 on the other hand would be retired at the end of the 1970 model year. It was replaced by the AMC 401 which used AMC’s third generation V8 architecture."

[@gremmann]

That's insane! The 'Cuda should have walked away from the Javelin. Good going AMC....

[@DeanMk1]

Not necessarily. Most people can 60 foot a Hemi...its the last 60 feet where they getcha, and that race just showed that.

[@DeanMk1]

@port nut Yes, 13.07 is nothing to be ashamed of. AMX made a very good showing for itself.

[@badeagle7444]

Ehh idk those cudas could be mean as hell when souped but really stock it wasn't anything extremely special

[@jeffpittel6926]

I street raced a 1970 Chevelle SS396 with my 1969 AMX 390, I got a 1/2 car length ahead of him at the start, and he gained no ground on me up to 60. My 390 was pretty much stock except for a Carter Super Quad replacing the AFB. I had the Borg Warner automatic.

[@johnnewell4849]

The reality of the 426 Hemis and the 440s is that Chrysler sold all of the cars meant for the public in what became known as a de-tuned state. That was due to the US government's Department of Motor Vehicles cracking down on high horsepower motors at the manufacturers' level due to pressure from the insurance industry. No Mopar in pure stock in showroom condition ran faster than 14.7 in the quarter. GMs 454s, 455s and 396s had the same problem and so did Ford with their 427, 428 and 429s. Another trick the manufacturers used to combat the horsepower restrictions was to underrate the horsepower in their advertising. The real horsepower was higher than the advertised horsepower. In the smaller motors, the horsepower was over rated because far more small block engines were sold to the public than big blocks. To make them appear to perform well at the drags, Ford, Chrysler and GM all sent what are now known to have been "ringers" to the magazines. AMC never had a big block so it was never part of those discussions and was the only manufacturer to send their cars to be tested directly from the end of the assembly line - no alterations to anything. To sell those big engines each manufacturer had to pay for a certificate basically to get permission to sell them. They were very expensive and far too expensive for AMC. AMC wanted no part of high performance cars even though the performance cars they did build were the best cars they ever built. Especially the Rebel Machine. The Rebel Machine qualified as a high performance car by 1 horsepower. NO other AMC was powerful enough to qualify for high performance insurance which was key criteria. The intent on the part of all the manufacturers was to build street racers, not true race cars. So the cars were built to be modified and added to. Pure stock was not on anyone's mind and on the street, pure stock was short for another term: road kill. So the only pure stock cars to survive were mostly owned by old people and servicemen in the armed forces who weren't home to hop up their cars. That's also why you see so many "muscle" cars with automatic shifters on the column. Those cars were mostly sneered at by street racers. So the bottom line was that at the drag strip a showroom stock AMC would beat a showroom big block by any another manufacturer. Those numbers were confirmed in HOW FAST WERE THEY? by Steve Schultz and American Performance V8 Specs: 1963 - 1974 by Rick O. Rittenburg. Of course that reality did not fly for the vast majority who were the owners of Chryslers, GMs or Fords so the pure stock rules were relaxed to suit them and stiffened another way to ensure Fords, Chryslers and GMs didn't get embarrassed by AMCs. What happened was that AMCs claim of no real estate to install factory performance options which was a very real condition was ignored by the people who made the rules. So AMCs were never able to race on a level playing field using their dealer installed factory equipment which were the equal of what the other manufacturers were installing in their cars. The corporate fear on the part of the other automakers was real. A lot was at stake - most importantly market share. Regardless, Rambler SC/Ramblers still ate the competition for breakfast. Only one group of AMC cars were ever tested by the magazines to see what they could do with dealer adjustments using AMCs performance equipment. Despite that two Rebel Machines are known to have raced pure stock, one in the midwest and one on the western seaboard undefeated in their class for two years for the Vancouver Machine then owned by Bruce Smith and more for the midwestern Machine that raced for longer. In dealer stock condition only the Rebel Machine was ever tested properly by the magazines. A total of at least ten Machines were raced by CARS, Super Stock and Rodder and Super/Stock magazines. (the number could have been twenty because one set of tests were done at Gainsborough Speedway in Florida and another set of tests were done in Michigan. It's not known if the same cars were used for all three magazines.) The aim of the articles was not to sell cars Florida tests which were the most exhaustive but to determine how to evaluate axle ratios and tire size for any car. All "ten" cars had blueprinted top ends and parts available from AMCs parts department. The only things in anyway special were an 850 Holley and the Service Package cam and valve train that could be ordered at time of purchase but could only be installed by a dealer due to zero factor floor space to do the work in the factory. AMC trained all of their mechanics to factory standards and maintained their dealerships were extensions of the factory floor. Despite publicly stating in their literature they would cancel the warranties of any owners installing this equipment, the reality was that they never did. All of the altered drivetrains other than for professional racers kept their warranties and AMC honoured them. In my case that amounted to a block, transmission, axle housing and lots of other stuff. My car was a Group 19 car with everything but the cam in it. I raced all the time on the street (at practically every light) and at the drag strip. I never spared the horses. I kept the cam because I wanted performance without sacrificing gas mileage. That worked. With the full Service Package installed and equipped with the optional 3:91 rear end, the correct size tires Machines ran 12.73 for 4 spades and 12.81 for automatics. No other car did that unless it was race prepared.

[@LakeHowellDigitalVideo]

Simply not true. There were plenty of Mopars that ran faster than a 14.7 quarter mile. I have a 1971 Duster that is a bone stock survivor that my father ordered new. He special ordered it with the 4 speed, limited slip and 3.55 rear end. I can run 13.9's when I get a good launch -- the car is immaculate, unrebuilt and only has 102,000 miles on it (it was his weekend toy). I'm only a small block owner -- I know Dodge Hemi and Big Block cars were mid to low 13's when brand new. With drag radials they can dip into the 12's. So enough of the revisionist history.

[@RavennaAl]

From the pictures, that's a 72-74 Baracuda. My best guess is a '72 since it doesn't have the front rubber covered bumper bars of the '73 and '74's. That's also an AAR replica hood. The 72-74 'Cudas came with a 318 2V standard, with the 340 4V optional for '72 and '73 The 360 4V was the option for '74.I doubt that someone would go to the trouble of putting in a stock Hemi into the 'Cuda given the chance. And that is about what it would have to be to run a 13.0 1/4 mile. I'd bet that was a modified 340 or 360. Nice race though. pretty competitive but the Plymouth was just a tad stronger.

[@bicylindrico]

Wow, what a beautiful track

[@tomrisar5492]

I think the Giants in this field are well proven, but if you get a chance drive an Amc v8 powered vehicle and lay on it, you will smile!!

[@DeanMk1]

Tom Risar - There used to be a very good little video here of a guy taking off in an S/CRambler and you can see just how hard that car is pulling. Nothing to balk at, that's for sure.....EDIT: and here it is! kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4rNimOlit6cfKs

[@audieconrad8995]

Amen brother

[@tonystone8902]

Great run. Look to me like the AMX only 1/10 th of a second slower. You had 'em off the line. Go to a different trans. Rear is OK - hooks up nice. // Intake might need upgrading.And put a dual quad dual plane on it.

[@jackfishcampbell6745]

I used to own a 70 AMC REBEL MACHINE with the 390 auto . It certainly had a lot of torque , but there's no way that it would keep up with a hemi . That appears to be a 72 CUDA with either a bigger engine or a tuned up 340 or 360 . Stock hemi CUDAS FROM 70 , 71 ran mid 13s . For 71 and up the AMX was just a JAVELIN . A 68 through 70 AMX was smaller and lighter and quicker than the later models .

[@stephenbrown3868]

My '69 Ambassador sst 390 Auto ran mid 14s bone stock and fully loaded with all the comforts. I ran right with and even beat many Hemi B Bodies on a regular basis, on the track. No, your Rebel would not run with a Hemi A body, but should have been right on top of any B body you took on. I eventually had my car in the high 12s with just some port matching, dog leg heads, Torker, 1 5/8" headers and 3.91s out back. I build AMC engines for a living and have done more than a hundred street motors to date.

[@jackfishcampbell6745]

@stephenbrown3868 Well , mine was bone stock , not even headers , and it did quit not so much longer later . It felt very punchy even so .

[@That_AMC_Guy]

Gotta be a pretty stout 401 to run with a Hemi! Either the other fella was sandbagging it or you got one hell of a car, sir! :)

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

exactly.. these 401 javelins were 15 sec honest cars versus 13 sec honest hemi! here is direct from AMC catalog on a 73 401 javelin with the 4 speed go pack """this AMC would accelerate 0-60 mph in 6.8 sec, 0-100 km/h in 7 sec and quarter mile time is 15 sec"""

[@That_AMC_Guy]

@@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor Well, a bit more accurate would put a 360 Javelin at 14.9 and a 401 car around 14.5, 14.4..... But you are correct that a Hemi-anything was good for mid-13's with good traction all day long.

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

@@That_AMC_Guy the 401 javelin was an honest 15 second car.. here is what a 73 javelin 401 4 speed with go pack states """this AMC would accelerate 0-60 mph in 6.8 sec, 0-100 km/h in 7 sec and quarter mile time is 15 sec""" I mean, at least you agree that 401 would have to be not stock to run 13's with the hemi!! PS: a 360 javelin stock would run 15.4! my buddies 70 360 javelin with the bubble hood ran a best 15.4! AND THIS VIDEO THIS GUY RAN A 13.07.. NO WAY NOT STOCK

[@That_AMC_Guy]

@@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor Your buddy must be doing something wrong then. My stock 360/4bbl/727/3.15-equipped '73 Javelin runs 14.9 all day long very consistently.

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

@@That_AMC_Guy well could be many things.. cold day will drop a few 10's or tire selection! heck a 390 GOPACK amx ran 14.6 with 320 Horse!

[@alcyr5655]

Whay year is the 'cuda. not a factory Hemi car because of the round tail lights. Either way they both sound good, and look sharp.

[@TWTexasA1]

Pretty damn good race 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@mattsez2879]

Actually......the 401 Javelin, was....and STILL is the fastest police car ever used, and was used in the mid west states, because it was the ONLY car that could chase down a stock hemi cuda.. By all means look it up, rather than troll me. dead stock, the AMC will beat a dead stock hemi cuda. Its a matter of fact, not loyalty to the Hemi.

[@dapper_gent]

you don't need to explain how the cops can chase down a cuder in a javelin...we have sex with them.

[@mattsez2879]

um..........guess you told me. lmao

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

yeah its on the net so must be true!! just like the BS story about the 69 polara being the fastest copcar and 14.2 sec 1/4 mile times! heck even a race car driver could only pull off a 15 sec in one, BUT joe blow who runs low 14's and eats hemi cudas in em hahaha and just for he record, the fastest police car ever used is the NEW Ford interceptor ECO boost.. runs 0-60 in 5.5 and 150 mph top speed! Today the fastest top speed car is the Caprice 6L runs 0-60 in 6.2 and tops out at 155 MPH! OF ALL TIME the fastest police car ever used was the 2009 Camaro Interceptor.. 0-60 in 5.8 and topped out at 159 MPH!

[@jeremywilliams4381]

not sure about the mid west states but alabama had them between 71 and 74, the first batch came with the 304cid engine..alabama state troopers didnt like that cause it wasnt strong enough, then AMC shipped them some with the 401. nothing, i mean nothing could outrun those javelins, that javelin could run down every single car in the day. the highest speed recorded from a alabama trooper javelin was 158 miles an hour. thats recorded speed, some troopers say they have gone even faster than that.

[@ponrix]

awesome track

[@jesusperdomo9432]

Mis 2 pony preferidos que luego sé fusionaron cuando DODGE compró la AMC que solo queda vivo el legendario e inmortal JEEP

[@ratfink409]

A lot of manufactures lied about the output of the engines back then. I think it was a way to keep the insurance men, and government naysayers at bay. I know Ford did it, and GM did it. So it's no surprise that AMC did it too. I've heard the 401 was powerful, had no idea it was that THAT powerful. Wonder what would happen if you put one in an old Flat-Fender Jeep and dragged that? With 4WD engaged. Would be pretty cool to see.

[@FawoOwns]

Has guts to race a Cuda. Both are awesome.

[@rweghg3]

Cuda is a 72-74.. Those 4 round tail lights I use to curse when I was on the hunt for a 70 - 71 in the late 1980's.. Even then it didn't take long for me to realize my ass was a little late to the game on finding a nice big block car that could be restored for a reasonable price.. those 4 tail lights come into view I would turn around because a factory hemi it would not be.. All the ones that did get my attention when I raised the hood it was always a straight six or the next one that's almost it's under powered equal.. a damn 318 2bbl

[@RavennaAl]

They didn't put a straight six in the Baracuda's from 1972-74. The smallest engine was the 318 for those years, and the biggest was the 360 for '74.

[@balbowskie187443]

Nice run what was the time what do you have done? Love amx that year!

[@davidbrown8310]

I love old cars ! Enjoy it now. This might be the last hoorah for the common man to own such history

[@kencohagen4967]

Put a 390 AMX against a cuda and see what you get! Even the 401 is closer than a Chevy would ever get!

[@TheDvabel]

The Dvabel Actually AMC was really sandbagging on the actual HorsePower numbers on the 401 V8's they actually putout 480 HorsePower & 500 Ftlbs of TQ.

[@gordocarbo]

No way.

[@Mopartriot]

Hey Dave, keep in mind ur block was just before the smog lockdown. So u run what ? 10:1 10.5:1. Hemis were prestigious. The 700+ lbs was a big con on the 426s. U could do almost as good with a warmed 440 and aluminum heads.

[@richardirizarry5596]

Tires were no where as good as today's and then a carburetor. I had a 68 Javelin with a 343 go package and after ten grand in modifications I recall zero to sixty was low five seconds. still, old school weren't all that fast.

[@paulhooson6850]

Both look great, but I expected the Hemi Cuda to be the faster of the two...

[@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor]

401 aint stock

[@bigbird5090]

@@WPGinterceptor460Interceptor Bet the Hemi isn't either.

[@fifthavenuegirl]

I miss my wolf mobile. 74 amc javelin. Used to 4 wheel to the bat cave lol

[@kennethcohagen9037]

The AMX 3 would have gone against the Corvette, and killed it! The 70 AMC 390 with group 19 parts made well over 500 hp. More could be had with aftermarket parts, and today with Indy Cyl Heads the sky is the limit!

[@tonystone8902]

390 AMX from '68 with headers would beat a stock L88 - 427 Vette with headers, intake , carb & cam. You obviously have high HP #'s mixed in with torque, the body style, etc. I owned a 68 AMX 390 4 speed, 4:44 rear end & I whipped those vettes like a daddy beating his son. Rear view mirror right off the line. /// FYI : Chev 427 was 435 HP, not 560. That's bullshit. On the street - straight BS.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Wouldn't be close... 401" = 325 HP with headers... Stock L88 427" = 560 HP with headers...

[@tonystone8902]

Bullshit. Any stock 390 AMX from 68 could eat an L88 - 427 Vette in a street race.

[@gravelydon7072]

Buzz, want to guess what the NHRA ended up factoring the 390 to in HP to make it even races with the Chevys? Over 425 HP. 315 and 325 were factory HP without headers on a 390. And then you could get an Edelbrock R4B manifold from the factory. Or dual quads if you wanted. Put a set of 73 high comp heads on the 390 and you had a potent street racer.

[@tonystone8902]

I've seen the 401's built to 500 C.I.D., putting out over 600 HP. And ALL built off the 290 small block. That's right : any 290 AMC w/ dog leg heads can be stroked & bored to 500 cubes. Let's see you do that with a small block Chevvy or a small block Mopar.

[@phantomblott1]

Just love the AMC, but the 401 is no where near stock, shifting at over 6,500 rpm's. The stock oil system would not keep up at at those rpm's, that was a major issue with the 360, 390 and 401 engines from the factory. Many 390 and 401 engines were ruined by lack of oil to the rear main bearing, AMC should have addressed the issue, but never did. I had a built 343, and that was one of the thing's that was fixed, a separate oil line to the rear main bearing. AMC had great engines just needed some extra work on them.

[@Doosterify]

It looks like the Cuda had a slightly better power to weight ratio. Both cars run good. Low 12s?

[@RamblinGarage]

AMC FTW.. rebuilding another AMC 327 on my channel

[@michaelalbert6421]

Mopar head to head racing at its finest. It takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar. Both these Mopars are very quick!

[@ToyKingWonder]

AMC was an independent back then.

[@LakeHowellDigitalVideo]

Sure, I'm pretty sure the transmission in the AMX is a Chrysler Torqueflite. I kinda view AMC muscle cars like DiamondStar Mopars.

[@jessep3079]

unless it is a 1971 model, which had an borg-warner m12 transmission

[@johnnystafford1826]

@@LakeHowellDigitalVideo Ford carb most likely

[@dubstepatadailydose]

its mopar or no car

[@omcara1]

Darn good run. I thought the AMX was going to win.

[@20alphabet]

Hemis are hard to beat, once they get up the rpm range. I don't know why people are so down on racists... just because their cars go fast?

[@TheJordanAntibellum]

Why did you let this happen?

[@jondoe5482]

Dont the cudas have like a 420+ ci displacement though?

[@christiansciascetti7064]

+Jon Doe yes. But the car is also rather heavy. The AMC may have a smaller displacement, but it has a lighter body and is much more responsive.

[@jondoe5482]

Dino Slayer The cudas are only about 800lb heavier, 25 more cubic inches of engine, epecially a fine tuned one, more than makes up for the weight. Most of it probably has to do with transmission gearing.

[@jondoe5482]

Epspecially if that cuda has the 440, a 401 hardly has a chance.

[@christiansciascetti7064]

Jon Doe that's true. Makes you wonder why AMC only stopped at 401. Why not a higher displacement? Thankfully Javelins and AMX's are dirt cheap compared to Barracudas and Challengers.

[@jondoe5482]

Dino Slayer AMC used the same casting for every v8, 304, 327, 360, 290, and 401. The 401 was the biggest they could possibly make in that block. Of course, a '71 401 had a stock hp or 350 and torque of 450 ft lbs, which is alot of torque for a 401 ci engine. I guess they didn't need a bigger engine. I have an old jeep with a 401, and it is still faster than alot of cars, and due to the high torque, it does great on hills or with a trailer. I'm still not sure whether they made trucks with racecar engines or cars with truck engines. :)

[@BriBeast8566]

Nice video no matter who won

[@robertstrohlin6051]

He didn't give it her all!!! I would've beat him! He came off the line late too!

[@gordocarbo]

ok

[@Zionsol777]

Looked like a javelin, but not an AMX to me.....

[@Bosco-knows-all]

Hast the AMX grills and raised cowl induction hood.. likely an AMX

[@Zionsol777]

@@Bosco-knows-all Looks like it had a back seat, which would rule out AMX

[@ZENIGMATV]

AMXs are bad little cars.

[@kenhausman9898]

Los Angles Sheriff had 401 engine in there matadors in 1969-1973

[@craigm3777]

Actually it was the LAPD,and the contract was from 1972 thru 1974..For low compression city patrol car they did good..255 net HP.

[@gordocarbo]

Good run looks like the Hemi might have beun running out of gear towards the end

[@kevinfetner7983]

Yeah, everyone talks a big story about beating Hemi 'cudas. No stock AMX ever beat a stock Hemi 'cuda unless the 'cuda wasn't running right. I had a pretty much stock Hemi 'cuda back in 70 and I trolled the midwest street racing for money & pink slips. Never lost to any AMC hardware including the 'Red, White & Blue' 390 Rambler.

[@dasboot9471]

I bet the javelin is heavier too….challengers and cudas were fairly light, although the hemi and Dana 60 was not ;?)

[@gordocarbo]

other way around....those 2 mopars were a little porky

[@Slackerjr92]

That 401 was hanging in there with the "elephant" motor.

[@charlesnash4809]

Yes and that AMC would run rings around any nose-heavy Hemi powered car on a road race track.

[@charleebunch6637]

U lost but not by much,fucking great,I love amc

[@Andrenlinedcharger71]

FFFFFFUCK YEAH MOPAR OR NO CAR!!!! holy shit that was kind of close still gotta love the javelin both cars are amazing :)

[@vincewilliams5219]

Hemi didn't beat it by much. No shame losing to a Mopar.

[@artlife6210]

AMX needs lower gears

[@DaysofThunderCats]

Sorry for what? What I said to palmer is 100% accurate. A 6.9 0-60 does roughly translate to a high 14 1/4, which was a full second slower than the top cars from GM, Ford, and Chrysler of the time. And who was comparing full out race prepped TA cars?

[@rlrjeep]

I sure wanted to see that red fender disappear from the screen

[@davidtroxell837]

The point of the video is to show a Javelin with higher axle ratio losing to a Mopar.

[@robbinbanx7439]

just beat by a car length....BB C Hemi v8 vs Javelin AMX(?)401(??) AM v8

[@marinegunny826]

I Cuda've guessed this one.

[@jimsteele2072]

Nice! 👍

[@robertraft]

please, amx spanked vetts.

[@BreizhVince]

If you want to see another video of the 'Cuda (but not on the dragstrip) here my video: you tube.com/watch?v=d3OTX JH4wws (I've put a space between you and tube and between X and J because youtube don't allowed to post link in comments...)

[@humdinger7275]

Hell yeah

[@uhfnutbar1]

i want see me favoret under dog car company win AMC but he but up a good fight Hemi are no joke off the show room floor

[@jamesrhymer5612]

maybe some stall.coming out of the hole!

[@Selkirk69]

2800-3200 yup

[@sporkfindus4777]

Close!

[@wileycoyote64]

No shame in that race

[@edcain3676]

Jackel1000: My Stk.360 2 Barr.New, Was 250 290 cfm ,So Stats.Ur Posting is for a 360,4 Barr.,Not 401, Which Was 330 h.p..When Warranty.Exp.on mine,I Slapped A Holley 500 " Dirt Track " 2 Barr.on it & Oversized the Jets to 650cfm,& W/ traction Bars,Would Stay Up W/Most Any BB, UP TO 90-95mph, Friend of Mine Had a 440-6pk.Challenger & He Wasn't t Waving " By" to Me Till his 3 Rd.2 Barr.Activated.71 360 & 401's Were Best Mrs.of 71-74 ' s.E early 401' s Had Oiling Issues on Cam Journals,So Anyone Reading This Wanting a 71-72 401 AMX,Make Sure Eng.Has Been Redone or This Addressed.

[@mikeseever4480]

Ed Cain: Okay, I don't do this often. However, every now and then ya' just gotta' call 'bullshit.' You say you over-sized the jets in a 500 Holley 2 bbl and increased the CFM to 650? Bullshit. Re-jetting has absolutely zero to do with air flow. The CFM limitations of a carb are the result of venturi size and design. It is impossible to up-size jets and increases air flow. Larger jets allow more fuel flow, but have no effect on how much air a carb will flow. Duh! Furthermore, Chrysler's 440 Six Packs were equipped with progressive throttle linkage. At idle and under part throttle conditions the engine was fed air and fuel via the center 2 bbl. The fore and aft carbs sync'd to work in unison. In other words, if the front carb was in play the rear was equally in play. If your 'friend' was waiting for his '3 Rd. 2 Barr.' (whatever the f##k a "3 Rd.2 Barr.: might be) to activated there was something terribly amiss with his set up. Again, I call bullshit. (Did you mean a 3rd 2 bbl?) If you're going to tell tales, please make them somewhat believeable. If not, how are we ever to accept claims a 360 w/a re-jetted Holley *only eng. mod. stated) once hung with any BB Mopar. Then again, you didn't say what this awesome, and extraordinary engine was in, now did you? Nope, you didn't. I suppose if you had it stuffed into, oh say, a dune buggy or something equally as light, your claims might be credible. The again, maybe you had it stuffed into a shopping cart.

[@edcain3676]

Mike Seever :the fellow Running the 440 6 Pak Always Ran his Carbs Too Rich,Sometimes Caught Fire @ Idle,Esp.when he Ran NO AIR FILTERS.MY AIR FILTER Lid Was Always Ran Upside Down that Allowed Twice the Air Flow to My Carb.One of My Friends That Helped W/ the Set Up Was A Dirt Track Racer & Mech.I DIDNT SAY I BEAT HIM,ONLY STAYED UP TO About 90 -95.& I Ran A SUNOCO RACING GAS MIX OF 240 OR 260 RACING GAS ,W/ 93 PREMIUM& My Heads Were Ported.& I Had Mulholland Traction Bars,He Had NONE

[@jhail040]

Sorry but a hemi cuda is several hundred pounds more than the Javelin AMX. curb weight of a Javelin AMX is 3184lbs (go-pac & 401). my 71 SST is under 3000lbs. the 383 cuda (lighter than the 440) weighed in at 3475lbs. This race looks like a case of the mopar being better driven, not a better car. last i checked the mopars sucked ass in trans am at the time. AMC dominated the races in 71 and 72. also, a 71 AMX will do 0-60 in 6.9sec.

[@Skihist2]

Both slow times that could be beat by any number of cars foreign and domestic......

[@matrox]

Put close ratio 6 speed transmissions in them like todays modern cars and again they would be hard to beat in everything except stopping, cornering and gas mileage. Looks the javelin had 3 spd auto. Between each shift like most cars back then would just drop to many RPMs between shifts.Todays cars have the extra gears so the gears are much closer together so each shift is more effiecient at not wasting rpms between shifts.

[@markg7030]

So what.

[@mattsez2879]

+Rodney Eskelson was a vintage race. Cars with a soul......get a clue moron

[@mothertree]

I think Rodney was making a point that fanboys come in every variety of make...foreign and domestic.The proof is in the comment sections..but hey greatness is greatness

[@marcchaffee7751]

not beat by u .

[@reesegaster1611]

hhhho so close

[@DaysofThunderCats]

First, your post sucks. Why personally attack someone when it's YOU who doesn't know cars. A: the AMX and Javelin AMX are 2 different cars. B: the 71 Javelin AMX 401 was the heavier and slower of the 2. 3rd, the road tests of the time put the AMX 390 at a low 14 and the Javelin AMX 401 at a high 14. That's slower than most the top end cars at the time. Period.

[@reesegaster1611]

hemy cuda getsya boyyyyy

[@jasonmacneil2256]

Fake hemi cuda.

[@DBAllen]

Another Javelina roasted!