AMD 3900X Overclocking explained... How to get improvements!

[@enigma067]

Jay, you need a video series that explains all the settings in BIOS. This information is scattered all over YT.

[@BLOEDVLEK]

Way too many variables between platforms. Best thing to do is look up a guide for your specific board. If you can't find one head on over tot he overclocking forums.

[@denverbasshead]

Thats almost impossible. Every manufacturer calls settings different names, every bios is different from each one. Look up your board or at least your manufacturer

[@rdmz135]

Different manufacturers have different bios layouts and names. Actually hardcore overclocking has most of them covered on his channel.

[@OggeM92]

Even though Buildzoid have all the tutorials and walkthroughs of the bios settings, I think Jay would explain it better for the masses.

[@PureTazr]

What motherboard do you have?

[@cynicalvibes_8193]

“Gets sponsored by NZXT” Uses corsair cpu cooler

[@DogeRider985]

Top 10 anime betrayed

[@Snowcrash777]

NZXT likes to screw other manufacturers out of sales by forcing you to buy NZXT specific parts. He should have thrown the EVGA 280mm AIO on it and really pushed their buttons.

[@ChronicTHCBlaze]

Lol 😂

[@Netsurferz12]

yea i was like how do he get 37c with m22, thats what im using and mine is around 50 in idle even when i have my power management plan on power saving.

[@Haloreach66850]

Ok

[@dtorg1246]

Jay: runs nzxt aio sponsor spot Also Jay: uses Corsair aio

[@mo3ath9442]

isnt that NZXT M22 cooler bad ? i've only heard bad reviews about it unless they updated it or something.

[@prayfortheworld5500]

@@mo3ath9442 its only 120mm so dont expect great cooling

[@SpcLarge]

@@mo3ath9442 Yes, tech Jesus cut one open. They're bad.

[@alexisv625]

*_SAVAGE_*

[@sirius4k]

@@mo3ath9442 Can't be worse than Enermax.

[@coltsfan1518]

A single video explaining all the bios settings in depth would be great. But yeah, loving my 3600x

[@d-o-n-u-t]

problem with this is, a lot of BIOSes are constantly changing and are just laid out much more differently makes a guide like this a lot harder to make.

[@lildvsvevo]

@@d-o-n-u-t a lot of the basics for AMD bioses are generally the same, with some things renamed here or there. My Gigabyte a320 bios is similar to my x570 bios even. Tackling at least team Red's bios setup wouldn't be too hard to explain and map out in a video for a general idea at least, especially since the hardware all functions on the same general features/firmware

[@GoodayBrah]

Do your own research or even read the fucking manual.

[@tamilashultz9676]

Nice. I'm waiting on my 3900x :).

[@rodrirm]

Finally, someone that talk about all the crap we are suffering, between BIOS, Windows and AMD power plans (Windows working better than AMD in my case), high vcore while idle, and high fan speed, and CPU and FAN boosting for nothing (like opening a new tab on firefox, or a folder on a harddrive). Also what you shown about Far Cry, can be achieved (no OC need it in my Ryzen 5 3600) in almost any game (tried with SOTR and BFV) and it also boost all clocks to 4.05~4.125ish, but utilization is never higher than 50% in some threads. Thank you Jay !

[@MyUnknown54321]

Riker: Use Ryzen sir? Picard: Engage number one.

[@N0N0111]

Finally someone showing what is wrong MORE with all the bios settings on X570 And yes, X470 had weird HIGH voltage setting on launch.

[@Onewolfoc]

Lol x370 ch6 latest bios 7106 first boot the board tried to shive 1.5 volts in and while boosting it still looks like its agressive as well as manual voltage control is a bit bugged

[@PlaCrown]

1. Jay has ln2 mode enabled 3:32 2. CPU boosts in UEFI

[@chrisharford2949]

Liked immediately for that glorious shirt he's wearing.

[@I5ZQ8]

Is it a star wars thing??

[@pranavkolluri]

@@I5ZQ8 Star Trek Next Generation

[@Crutches_Bob]

@@pranavkolluri /woosh

[@FrumpyPumpkin]

Omg you’re a fine human.

[@dec1lent448]

Captain Jonathan Picard

[@matt697845]

16:55 Sandy Bridge had north bridge functions integrated in the CPU same as Ivy Bridge. Ivy was just a minor refinement (more like a regression unless delidded cause Ivy is when Intel switched from solder to paste TIM on the mainstream platform) of Sandy bridge and they were both forward and backward compatible with the same platforms (LGA 1155).

[@rigg718]

Don't set manual V-core voltage if you are leaving your clocks on auto. You will destroy your performance. Run cinebench after doing this and you will see. Limiting the voltage causes the core clocks to be limited. I had a -200mv undervolt and my temps, power usage, and clocks looked awesome. Then I ran cinebench and realized it was destroying my performance. The algorithm wants as much as 1.5v on the higher turbo SKU's to hit max single core turbo. If you manually enter voltage and limit it it wont hit those turbos. The high voltage is fine when no or light load is present. There is very little current and won't damage your CPU. This is normal. The voltage will lower to the 1.3 range when fully loaded on all cores and current increases. If you see your "idle" voltage at 1.5v its because your monitor software is presenting a tiny load to the core and causing it to go to full turbo (with necessary voltage). If you look at the voltage using CPU Z the actual idle voltage is less than a volt. This is problem with monitoring software and not the CPU's and bios'. www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?ref=share&ref_source=embed& The high SOC voltage is a result of installing a high speed memory kit. This is an actual issue that needs to be addressed. This is an issue with Asus mobos on the Intel side as welll with VCCIO/VCCSA. Jay I like your content but there is some terrible information in this video.

[@SansUndertale0]

Rigg thanks for the info :)

[@Kojiro3210]

best thing to do is set an offset, not a manual. manuals are generally a bad idea anyway. once you know what auto reaches, offsets are best to fine tune.

[@rigg718]

@@Kojiro3210 Nope. Unfortunately offset will negatively affect performance on the new Ryzen CPU's as well. It's really confusing too. I had -200mv negative offset dialed in on a 3700x. It looked amazing. Heat and power consumption had me grinnig ear to ear. HWI64 even appeared to hold at 4.2 all core in P95 smal FFT. Then I ran cinebench. Single core went from 205 to 143. Multi core was 1500 something. Don't mess with the voltage if leaving clocks on auto. It's possible you may be able to use a very small offset without killing performance too drastically but i think its better to just set a max temp in the advanced PBO settings if your temps are too high. I'm afraid a lot of people coming from 2nd gen Ryzen PBO overclocking are going to try using offset and not realize they are nerfing their CPU performance.

[@wazifachannel1994]

He don't know much and have 2M subscribers lol

[@hydzior]

I’ve fixed vcore on my ryzen 3900x@4.25Ghz on all cores 1.2625V. Its colder and performance is higher than on auto.

[@preacherbill]

Sponsored by NZXT, AIO, Corsiar AIO next shot, lol

[@justinbendlin7578]

I'm 11 seconds in and stopped to give it a like and a comment..... all because of the shirt.... It's beautiful.

[@noodlefu_]

Jay, the BIOS is designed to run at high clock voltage - it doesn't engage cc6 (sleep/low power state), hence the high temperature. Robert Hallock confirmed this today on Reddit.

[@happygiraffe9787]

1.47V sounds scary as I'm running my r7 1700 @3.7 all cores with 1.187V

[@noodlefu_]

@@happygiraffe9787 yeah, not sure why the voltage is particularly that high, but locked to max voltage is normal in the BIOS.

[@happygiraffe9787]

I wonder what is the AMDs official maximum "safe voltages" for 3000-series. If I remember correctly, AMD said 2000-series was all good up to 1.4V in their official response.

[@bardacuda82]

You're right that it doesn't sit at a low power state in BIOS...but even in it's highest power state the voltage should not be that high. Granted this board is probably displaying the VRM output before accounting for droop, but it's not under heavy load so droop won't be much anyway.

[@BB-nn9en]

It's a different kind of overclocking. It's more tweaking than anything else. AMD has (and this is great) found ways to maximize performance out of the box. The tweaking will be more like what we've seen from GPU's with undervoltage, increasing TDP allowances, better cooling, and letting their algorithms do their thang.

[@stevieknight9225]

I mean doesn't it make sense from a manufacturer's point of view that their product is the best it can be out of the box? Kind of strange it has taken this long for auto clocking to happen

[@KonkelVonk]

Dude I'm still rocken an ancient relic 1950X that i bought last year, So technically I'm in your ballpark.

[@yulfine1688]

its not the best out of the box at all. Its literally the way they design their own chips that causes this to happen which is why amd is always behind intel or barely keeps up with some old design that intel only struggles with because of their own design. Its basically a failure actually not a good thing.

[@Sisko03]

14:36 ASUS Bios: Go to Advanced, AMD CBS>>>NBIO Common Options>>>XFR Enhancement>>> Set UCLK DIV1 Mode to: UCLK==MEMCLK

[@markcurtis599]

I'd just like to say what everyone is thinking.... WHAT A GREAT SHIRT!!

[@bkweddle7599]

I want to know where he got it. That's a Candidate I can get behind!

[@jeetadityachatterjee6995]

It took Very little time for me to find this comment. This makes me happy

[@ashleyjohansson230]

Beyond belief fact or fiction

[@markcurtis599]

@@ashleyjohansson230 that's a fact!!

[@LMPGames]

I have one for 2016.

[@Fenix1861]

Love the shirt, Jay! EDIT: LaForge for Secretary of Energy, right?

[@briancool8038]

Worf for Secretary of Defense

[@darjanator]

Crusher for Secretary of Health and Social Care

[@Nethan10Troi]

Data for Secretary of Security

[@RichyP85]

O'Brien for Secretary of Transportation...lol...if thats a thing

[@eingames9931]

Data would be NSA no doubt.

[@johnbeer4963]

i'll give you this Jay... when i saw "ryzen 3900x overclocking" i was like "oh, ok, Jay will know what he's talking about"

[@mdh.3421]

IMHO This is one of your best videos in a long time. Thank you

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

This CPu is my first AMD and it's also the first CPU I haven't overclocked...because I just had so much trouble getting anything out of it. I've been overclocking my Intels for years with no problems but it just seemed like too much trouble to get any extra horsepower out of the 3900x no matter what ram timings or voltage I tried. But regardless of the OC failure, I've been really happy with the CPU overall and I'm looking to upgrade to the 3950x.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

Awesome video, thank you Jay. I suspected the 3900X was going to be a poor overclocker, the 3950X not having any of it and the 3800X faring better in that regard. Still, Chiplet is chiplet so the heat is very focused.

[@CoalitionGaming]

I thought ram could go up to 3733 before the infinity fabric divider would kick in. Excited to play around with this on the 3900x i have on the way. Thanks for this video

[@arlopull2021]

Just keep it simple and go for 3600

[@deadpool790]

would I need to boost the FCLK to 1866mhz to get 3733mhz? and if this is the case what else would I need to do to make sure its stable? thanks i really do want to reach 3733 and not default to 3600 if even for minor results.

[@beukenboomer604]

I thought I was going crazy, thank you for this. I knew the voltages are too high!!!!!

[@426Studios]

Robert from AMD already explained that on reddit. Its perfectly fine. It was designed like that. Its too technical so I cant explain it properly but you can read it on reddit www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?

[@christophervanzetta]

@@426Studios He said it's normal but nothing about it being safe 🤷‍♂️ Wonder why I can't find an answer on the long term effects of running a zen2 at 1.4 volts

[@DameonMacleod]

Jay sir i will be getting my 3900x this monday evening and i will be watching this video again for the 7th time trying to overclock it. If there is anything else tip wise you can throw at me in the comments please do so sir. thanks a lot for your hundreds of videos that i binge watch every day. I basically built my pc from watching your videos. genius sir pure genius!!!!

[@raw6701]

Overclocking the ram is more effective than overclocking the cpu. Well from my experience. I don't feel like it is worth overclocking the cpu (2700x) as upping the volts to 1.45 to go from 4.05 to 4.2-4.3p wasn't worth the power, heat or cpu degradation.

[@DameonMacleod]

@@raw6701 thanks I'll give that a try.

[@Bigbacon]

Ryzen line up is interesting to me. I've been overclocking everytthing since...late 90s but Ryzen is the first CPU i've owned I just feel I have no need to OC. the boost does its job really well.

[@UshioSorrows]

it would be awesome if you could do the other 3rd gen ryzens aswell, a guide to OC, RAM's etc!

[@alanestes1008]

I would love to see a RAM overclocking video. Every time I overclock my Corsair Dominator it becomes unstable.

[@whatwhat960]

i couldnt see the charts cause Jay is making faces behind it.

[@Boomer.Roberts]

Wow I didn't even notice until seeing this comment

[@11BravoMike]

Yeah, that's funny as hell. I didn't even notice lol.

[@samenjaimy]

Oh wow, I did not see that the first time I watched it xD

[@SuperStruct]

It's so good

[@BaconDanish]

I Saw that aswell and didn’t pay attention to the charts either. Had to watch again and try not to focus on him in the background. 🤣😂

[@SovietGrazz]

Love the metal background track!

[@thelumenmedia]

Duuude my temps dropped after watching this video! Was 74 degree in stress test with ML360R, Now-56 degree! Thank you so much!

[@thelumenmedia]

Update: on 1.25V cpu is running at this voltage 100% of the time, temps are lower but even in idle it runs at this voltage. Cinebench 20% loss. Reached out to AMD and they assured me that 1.46V is totally fine as soon as voltage stay is “Auto” in BIOS. Wtf??? So is 1.46V safe or not? Should it be undervolted or not??? 😭P.S. ryzen 3900x

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

16:54 Sandy had the NB also like Ivy on the cpu. and it makes sense, bcoz they ran on the same motherboard and socket. nehalem had a north bridge, and on the cpu the gpu and cpu part was seperated in 2 pieces like the chiplet design. nehalem was very curios, the cpu part was soldered, the integrated gpu was applied with TIM^^

[@SirBilliam96]

Please do an overclocking video for 3700x! I feel as if that would apply to many more viewers, including myself

[@1BigBen]

bearded hardware has a around 17 hours total from 4 Live streams 3700x that you can look at. also he will be cuting it into a video guide.

[@Qyngali]

@@1BigBen I was about to write that lol.

[@WulfboiGaming]

That shirt!! OMG I LOVE IT!! Picard is always gonna be my captain of choice in anything Star Trek.

[@Najvalsa]

1.47V is normal. The stock voltage parameters are, 1.325V max for all core workloads, and 1.47V max for single core workloads. The stock memory and SoC voltages are not however. Also, DOCP is Asus' term for XMP, and the SoC voltage is also for the IMC. Basically VCCIO and VCCSA on Intel, are VSoC on Zen.

[@pendeltonthecook]

Something or other is goofy about this series though. I recently purchased a 3600 and on the stock cooler it idles at 55-60c (it hops all over the place no matter if its ryzen balanced or windows balanced power plan) and hits 90 under a cinebench load and if i try to run two back to back I get thermal shutdown at 95. Ive reseated the cooler a few times, and despite the 60 idle, the cooler is not warm at all. So i dont know if there's an issue with the core to ihs transfer or IHS to heatsink, but something is goofy.

[@castroGstar-cGs]

Your video was one of the best on the topic, thanks so much for this (instant subscribe). As a new 3950x owner, I have done quite a bit of research and testing and I want to share my settings with you to get your take on Vcore safety as I have been reading A LOT about static Vcore voltages. I currently have the following settings resulting in stable bench marking across R20, R15 and various others, as well as with my gaming sessions and studio work for design. I am using the Kraken Z63 and I idle around 45C to 55C and hit 79C in R20. While gaming I am usually in the range of 50C to 60C. Below are my OC settings: PBO disabled Global C state disabled LLC 1 Vcore 1.36 RAM 3200 Fabric 1600 Stock AMD Ryzen High Performance Power Plan CCD0 CCX 0 4.425 CCX 1 4.425 CCD 1 CCX 0 4.325 CCX 1 4.335 My main concern here is that many forums suggest that the static Vcore should never be set higher than 1.32 with many suggesting that 1.3 should really be the highest or else I will degrade my chip very quickly. In your video I believe you set the Vcore to 1.375 on the 3600. Has this impacted the CPU over time? In R20 my Vcore sits at around 1.250. While gaming it is always at the max setting of 1.36. When Idle, it's also at 1.36 all the time. I really want to stick to the manual OC because I do not like the heat production when using stock with PBO because the voltage jumps so much as does the heat. I really don't want to run OC settings that will degrade my CPU in less than a year so any feedback on the topic would be greatly appreciated.

[@YTPartyTonight]

One thing I can confirm helps with cooling the 3900X is der8auer's Ryzen 3000 OC bracket. Short of doing custom looped water, I've put together a 360 AIO/CL, upgraded with Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-2000 PWM fans and der8auer's bracket. The bracket really does work.

[@brianyvar8312]

7:40 love how Jayz is just blurred in the background being stupid lol

[@enkrypt3d]

so dead lmao

[@ThineHolyBacon]

Overclocking the Ryzen 3000 series on x570 vs x470 vs x370 would be awesome to see. Curious if the memory overclocking especially is significantly different

[@2000jalebi]

That is just vrm

[@Tyler-ok2ub]

You should make a video testing OC 3200mhz ram of a lower cas latency vs stock 3600mhz ram of a higher cas latency with ryzen 3000

[@weust2672]

Tyler 06 I like to see that too. Overclocking the CPU doesn't seem very interesting atm, but I do wonder how memory speeds impact things.

[@jayb7102]

Agreed, and then also test both speeds on an x470 board.

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

actually i would like to see some benchmarks with different timings and speeds to see the differences.

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

@Miguel Carones that one from techpowerup?

[@ciprian107]

I overclocked my 3900x to 4.4ghz all cores at 1.3875 volts, SOC just under 1.2v on my MSI b450 vhd pro. I thought I could go higher after I bought a x570 board, but no... I think this is the limit. In cinebench r23 multicore I got 17300~ on stock and after overclock just above 20000.

[@mudriderfx4]

This absolutely worked for me. No more jumping from core to core. Solid steady frames and MAJOR increase in frames.

[@Necrotic99]

I love the shirt! Anyone see him messing with us in the background during the performance charts by using his hand to make glasses?

[@hyperstimmed]

DOCP is an ASUS feature, and it overclocks everything, not just the RAM. It OCs the CPU and causes issues. You must set RAM manually. Also, those voltage issues have been there on all Ryzen boards since gen 1. Do you even AMD

[@haonanzhang6759]

Any idea if you can enable xmp only on Asus boards?

[@TheCivicsiep3]

@@haonanzhang6759 no reason to honestly. xmp is leaving performance on the table as it only sets major timings. if you are unsure on how to set ram timings its very simple. go download ryzen ram speed calculator and literally just put in the speed you want to run and it will give you timings and voltages easy as easy can be. no need to dick around with xmp or docp. also I cant speak for x570 but my crosshair vii actually had memory presets onboard. im 99% sure x570 also has this but I haven't installed my 3900x/crosshair viii yet. if it does have it ill confirm it here. but yea avoid xmp/docp on ryzen. honestly the simplest thing to do is to just set pbo set all your power limits to max and use a - offset for core voltage I find I get the best performance that way on ryzen. zen 2 should be no different and I will hopefully be able to get faster ram on zen 2 I can only get 3400 stable on my 2700x it will boot with 3733 but past 3400 its not reliably stable . hopefully this info helped you, ryzen is still not the main cpu architecture and if you buy amd be aware you will have to tweak to get the most out of it, don't take that the wrong way either ,it works great out of the box but to get the most its not as simple as intel. same for gpu's nvidia is always more plug and play than amd. so when you go amd do so because you WANT to tweak it. trust me I own nvidia 2080 and radeon vii, I own 9900k and 2700x I also ordered a 3900x which should arrive tomorrow point of me saying this is I know from experience amd is for people who don't mind tweaking to get the most out of it. intel and nvidia are much friendlier for plug and play performance want 5.0 ghz? buy a 9900ks and plug it in. done, want a gpu that is not a thermal reactor with stock settings? buy nvidia. radeon vii is a powerhouse but it needs to be tuned to get there. the stock cooler is not able to handle the heat it creates without brutal fan noise. dump the cooler and buy a water block, 2000mhz/1200mhz hbm no problem with temps in the high 50's. idk I like to tweak this is why I enjoy computers I cant buy something and leave it stock

[@haonanzhang6759]

@@TheCivicsiep3 Well, the reason I'm asking is that I have 4 sticks of trident z royal and they were able to go around 3600 cl16 on aorus x470 ultra gaming, and now I have migrated my system to x470 prime pro, it won't boot with docp profile even.

[@FlanK3rCZ]

the issue is because LN2 mode is enabled (LN2 mode is overvolting and ready for LN2)

[@hardcorehardware361]

Exactly.

[@Ziplock9000]

You are a life saver. I just upgraded to an 3600X and it was running way to hot even for a stock cooler.. It was the default voltages even on the latest BIOS. MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max

[@CrainBramp]

Thanks for this video: a lot of times you don't get to hear that. And this is still relevant as of late May 2020. Taking advantage of the price drops, I built two new rigs, one of them a 3900X encoding box w/a H110i PlatinumSE on X570 (other specs don't matter). At stock, my 5 min temps after Prime95 were 83C and idles were 54C or so. After tuning the excessive voltages, I max at 58C after 15 min of the same, and idle around 38C. Obivously, with AMD especially, the better the temps at steady state, the better your clock speeds.

[@agentoranj5858]

Thanks for the heads-up regarding voltage, I was wondering why my 3600X was running so hot. I turned it down from the default 1.48 to 1.3, then incrementally raised it back up for performance. Getting good results at 1.35 at the time of writing and I may keep going to see if the sweet spot is somewhere higher.

[@imannudein]

Hi. So after 8 months, how is the fixed Vcore holding up?

[@Hotrob_J]

Those voltages would be high on an fx processor... Dang

[@HadenPeon]

ryzen is coming up my guys, really glad that i decided at launch to go with the 2700x because i borderline feel faithful now lol.

[@NigaJay]

We can always get 4xxx in the future and put on the same motherboard eheh

[@pc-vz2gr]

@@NigaJay If Im not wrong, the 3xxx will be the last AM4 CPU.

[@heliamvs2035]

@@pc-vz2gr nah, AM4 socket will be supported until 2020. So i'm guessing the ryzen 4000 series will be the last AM4. After 2020 they''ll probably go with AM5 or whatever they wanna call it.

[@xRealUzz]

9800X3D restored the faith, Hallelujah 🫡

[@amirbahalegharn365]

one of the very few,if not the only very informative video around,exceptional job.thanks

[@TheMalf1978]

I had never seen this video until today. I bought a 3900x in April of 2021 and spent 3 days playing with overclocking. Used RM for easier testing and found a sweetspot at 4.325GHz, made the changes in the BIOS and it's been running great ever since even after 2 BIOS updates that I've done. I love this processor. It's going to be turned into a server after the next iteration though but great productivity and good gaming.

[@lgonzalez1154]

4.6 on 1.3700v custom water cooled 3900x and its stable!

[@wrathofgrothendieck]

shiiieeet

[@braswellunleashed627]

Don't forget us X370 users, we were there from the beginning. Will u compare X370 vs X570?

[@gr3if]

Already done, as long as board got vrms that can handle the power it's finse

[@imo098765]

@@gr3if even on a decent b350 it can take the 12core just dont go overclocking

[@Badassblacksmith]

Ditch the X370! Easy

[@bardacuda82]

Only difference is the X370 won't have PCIE 4.0. The VRM and memory trace layout might be better or worse depending on the model but that has nothing to do with the chipset.

[@VitruvianEngineer]

just got myself a 3900x 4/4/2020 and was able to hit stable 4.4 ghz at 1.4 volts. Will say the spike in temperatures reaches 60-65*C before dropping. Was happy to find stability at 4.3 ghz 1.37 volts. 40-50*C with fans going full speed on a 360 radiator

[@GrantSweatshirt]

You’ve never hit 105c with yours ? Rookie numbers at 60

[@AlpineTheHusky]

I dont get stable at stock...yay

[@NB1148]

Chart Background next level. good work, phil.

[@LORENSSIOK]

Thank you Jay for the hard work. Looking forward for the rest of the tests. Great content!

[@ebsn1]

I see 1:1 Ratio talked about with Infinity at 3600 (1800 infinity) Memory then I see 1:1 is really 3733 Memory (1866 infinity) . Which is it?

[@rcradiator]

3733 is max with 1:1 scaling

[@Qyngali]

@@rcradiator Unless you adjust the fclock manually, yes. Most CPU's should be able to run the IF at 1900 when RAM is at 3800. I don't know if lower end boards can even adjust that though, I know the MSI MEG X570 Creation can, and the Crosshair, I wonder if the 200-300$ boards can...

[@deadpool790]

@@Qyngali does this mean i need to boost the infinity fabric manually to 1866 or 1900 (if it) can so i can still reac 3733? other wise would going 3733 while its at 1800mhz go into 2:1?

[@Qyngali]

@@deadpool790 If you leave the fclock on auto it'll switch IF to 1:2 if you set RAM to above 3733. 3733 will still be 1:1. I haven't heard anyone get the IF to run higher than 1900... and on LN2 it seems to hate high IF speeds. Not that that matters to most people. :)

[@deadpool790]

@@Qyngali yah I'm reading overclock.net another person said they had a friend hit 1900 as well. I want to try to do this once I get everything but of course my goal is to 3733mhz cl 14 with my b-die 3200 cl 14 kit (trident royals) if 1900mh infinity fabric is stable even better.

[@kevinroberts781]

Keep in mind that you can't count on the bios voltages being correct or accurate.

[@ZeroSpawn]

I usual touch my tongue on the infinite fabric.

[@arlopull2021]

Iam suprised he didnt open the new ryzen software to cross reference the bios settings as well.

[@gecsus]

Jay, Do a series on what each memory setting in the BIOS does or effects. How to use those settings to determine the best setting for a memory module. How settings are relative to each other. Then go through all of the settings in a particular BIOS one BIOS at a time. That should keep you busy and out of trouble for some time.

[@MeriaDuck]

4:30 it is now 2021, Asus rog strix, updated bios, 1.440v default core voltage it seems. During running it is lower, so dunno what the value in the bios means.

[@andrexskin]

I'm on a different board, B450 Gaming plus max with a 3600, so it's cheaper, I downloaded the latest bios and while on bios it says Auto voltage is at 1.460V, during gaming / benchmarks it doesn't stays that way, but it is indeed "strange"

[@82Tellus]

Just a hint, no sensor software is fast enough for the 1ms clock switching and it's the same with on die voltages, reading anything in Hwinfo64 is kinda pointless to make long speculations from because half the info you get isn't actually what's going on. Read up on Robert Hallocks answers regarding this.

[@BudakGilerBass]

Jay. Please review the 3600 with b450 boards since thats what most people will get

[@BudakGilerBass]

@Patrick Williamson what is shill ?

[@nickpickerwi7787]

@@BudakGilerBass Why is shill?

[@nickpickerwi7787]

@Patrick Williamson ...as he overclocks an AMD product... ...doofus...

[@Eerie_Peaceful_Words]

@Patrick Williamson He's overclocking amds current flagship and at the end he explains why there's not much headroom and say he thinks that we'll see improvement amd that with the little overclock he had he saw pretty large performance increase and is planning to see if this scaling remains the same across multiple titles please explain how this is shilling for AMD and nvidia about the only "pro" Intel thing in this is that Intel has a more mature process which is true they've been using the same process for years not it's not him shilling its him stating facts so I disagree with you that he's shilling cause he's not and the reason why he's using unrealistic setups is to test the architectural improvements as a whole not to do a dollar per frame analysis of a computer build

[@FunTimeGhz]

Damn, 30 frames more!. Iwas going to buy i7 9700k, but now I think I should wait to see what 3700x can do once overclocked in a similar fashion.

[@Cheeseypoofs85]

9700k is a few fps higher in most games but I don't think it's worth the extra money or the extra power draw. 3700x wins in every non game multi thread test though

[@LikeVenom18]

multi core / multi threading will only become more prevalent. far cry 5 was a start and laid some "groundwork" about it. game devs will focus more on using the entire CPU and not only a single core performance. you cannot go wrong with AMD anymore - i know there was a stigma about AMD being worse for games due to single clock - and they weren't wrong, but that will change (actually it already started changing). even if that wasn't the case, i would ALWAYS go for more cores/threads rather than single core, because number of reasons: 1) in current games if i hide FPS, i CANNOT tell the difference between the AMD CPU or the intel one 2) new games (that are CPU intensive at the very least) will focus on multi core performance 3) i like having a more versatile CPU that would cut time significantly when doing something anyway, this new technology will last you for a very, very long time. i'll probably go with 3950x. i know it'll cost quite a bit, but i also know i won't have to upgrade it for at least a decade (well probably even 2 if i'm gonna be honest here). the only worrying thing is the temperature, but it's not the CPU's fault, but rather motherboard's and manufacturers will do something about it soon in form of updates.

[@edstar83]

Join AMD.

[@imo098765]

@@LikeVenom18 and just to add to your devs going multicore, Microsoft and Sony said Zen2 will be in consoles next year, which would mean they are not only designing their game engines for multicore but specifically for Zen 2 first.

[@LikeVenom18]

@@imo098765 wow, those are some insane news. then for sure, AMD definitely is the way to go.

[@chrismcgee985]

1. The links in the description to amazon do NOT link to any products. 2. You don't list the hardware used so we'll never know until you update that. Thanks :)

[@michaelknowles1651]

Just a quick comment to say thank you for this video. Just carried out the same changes as detailed, I'm now running roughly 6 oC cooler than running the factory defaults. Great help and thank you once again. P.s A video regarding the setting/options within the Bios screen would also be a great video. If you have a chance while messing around with the 3080 :-) stay safe.

[@arthb2087]

One of the best explanations on you tube, looking forward for mere and more details

[@chasecrappel9480]

And people called me crazy for just letting gpu boost and XFR do the over lock for me...

[@devin3117]

you should cover the 3600 because that's the one most people will be buying because it's the cheapest

[@sander5728]

ye!

[@devin3117]

or b350

[@Dracossaint]

Calling it the cheapest is wrong? But yes it is the most common processor as you probably meant

[@devin3117]

@@Dracossaint it's the cheapest zen 2 processor

[@HyDRoTheTrickShotter]

@@Dracossaint he meant cheapest as in its the cheapest new zen 2 processor...

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

How am I suppose to watch these benchmark results with music like this? It makes me immediately jump up and start moshing around the office.

[@MJMonteiro89]

Thank you alot for this video 👌🏻 I got my 3900X about a month ago and was a disappoint to me when i notice that they advertise 4.5 if im not wrong and then it comes as 3.9 stock. Now i will get the best from it :)

[@FearDepth]

Hey how is the cpu so far?

[@mrothird]

Jay, Thank you again for all your content and keeping it very informational, but not low level. I love your videos and love the fact I can watch them while at work because "they are work related"

[@koreymcintire3382]

As of today, ASUS still hasn't fixed the voltages in BIOS, and they just released a new BIOS last month. On the 570-E Gaming they still have it set to these voltages out of the box.

[@herrerkan]

In Benchmarking CPU's have no background Applications running, that's why Intel with fewer Cores outpower Ryzen. But! In real life you have Discord running with different Programms (Browser, Spotify,...) and that's where Ryzen Points. It can dedicate the 2nd Die to Backround Applications, so you get the best Gaming Performance on the 1st Die (3900x=6 Cores) Im sad that a lot of KZbinrs are leaving this out and do the "synthetic Benchmark"

[@awemowe2830]

Exactly. Benchmarks don't actually show real world usage. Reviewers should really run some benchmarks on a more average PC install, with Steam+Discord+Afterburner+audio software+VPN+maybe 1 more game store

[@Duckylitner]

Yea I definetly need to upgrade. Still running my i5 with a gtx 650 in a coolermaster case with no rgb.

[@kvshgaming]

How dare you not have rgb?!?!

[@spiv]

oh man, gtx 650's go for $30 on ebay now. even a 760 would be a massive improvement. like 50% more frames in games. if your i5 is 2nd gen or better it might still be decent.

[@xenonram]

Get some RGB so you can match your 💄 and 👡 👠 to your gaming rig.

[@Duckylitner]

Good to know I'll look them up

[@TriscoG]

If u added rgb to that bad boy, easy 25% performance gain.

[@captainkirn1238]

thank u soo much for being so awesome to share such videos with us :)

[@patricknolan1625]

Had to come back to this video for some hints. Damn glad I did. I was getting a qcode of "5A" on my ROG Strix X570 E with a Ryzen 3700X...until I lowered the Core Voltage to 1.3. Was running myself in circles trying to figure that one out. Thanks Jay. I don't care what Steve says about you...you're alright in my book. 😉

[@nash345]

Jay: "After the past couple of days...." Jay's Shirt: "Still here brah"

[@alleyb62]

Remember when overclocking was just bump the frequency, bump the voltage, until you hit the thermal limits?

[@raresmacovei8382]

Alley B At least for GPU, it's mostly still that.

[@AdamBrackney]

Those Farcry 5 increases were crazy.

[@azurthedragon]

Thanks for your video. My 3900X runs now @ 4.3Ghz . ^^

[@Snowcrash777]

I just finished a 3900X build on an ASUS Prime X570-P and with only an EVGA 280mm I am getting 4.6+GHz straight out of the box and inside the case. The DRAM voltage was correct however the CPU was sitting exactly where Jay showed us so I think they may have partially addressed the issue. Although, as I said, the CPU voltage was 1.47+ just as Jay showed us, and my Idle temps were 40-41C. Thanks, Jay for some of the more entertaining and educational content on KZbin and the heads up on the voltage issues.

[@dbauernf]

I'm sick of overclocking. I'm going from a 1600 to 3600X and will never overclock it. It's plenty fast as is. Thank God for that.

[@lucasbim]

For a minute I thought I was watching Tech of Tomorrow.

[@Bvrntfaceman08]

Damn if this kind of voltage the bios is doing out of the box no wonder Steve at Hardware Unboxed's 3900x died

[@Lionheart1188]

Good point

[@cleverja]

RIP

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Steve at hardware unboxed is a tool. Thats why.

[@BehrouzSedigh]

What? that CPU burnt due to high voltage?

[@dleon0902]

LN2 was enabled. User error.

[@hiimlarry]

Nice video. Riley’s cheesy energy and Anthony’s technical knowledge is a good combo.

[@hewitttt]

I really enjoyed you going through the bios and explaining stuff. Always so well done :)

[@AldiRide]

i'm curious, did ASUS by default left the ln2 jumper on....my maximus iv exteme did so....maybe if you turn ln2 mode off, the voltage did not crank that high.....my humble request, can you confirm this jay?

[@skaterbi922]

you're overclocking a 12 core 24 thread beast with an h100i and it gets a little toasty, that's insane jay

[@LukzForEver]

Well on 7nm it shouldnt cook much.

[@ReLoadXxXxX]

@@LukzForEver it has higher thermal density

[@MrRyusuzaku]

@@ReLoadXxXxX Indeed way higher. Loads of people ofc do not know it.

[@danyala.1659]

My 6700K heats up my h100i v2 just as much.

[@barren9695]

I have a 9900K 5GHz all core 1.256V idle 1.264V under load with an H100iV2 it got very hot so I swapped fans to Noctua NF-F12 high pressure fans now I never hit above 75C in prime95 / Intel XTU in games it averages 55C occasionally bouncing up to 60C. TLDR Corsair fans suck.

[@tr4l1975]

Jay: uses caddywhompus viewers: discombobulated

[@frankglasgow]

Other guys: Skookum

[@morgan5941]

*catawampus

[@xenonram]

@@frankglasgow Skookum is the exact opposite of the two that the op mentioned.

[@tr4l1975]

@@morgan5941 Good catch on the spelling, both mean the same thing(the latter in urban dictionary).

[@Hakuonu]

built my first pc with this processor and the 2080ti. really enjoying it so far and your videos got me through it !

[@nassaumadejjp431]

do you play warzone? if so what frames are you getting at and how many ram did you have at that time in case you upgraded since last year?

[@Limeayy]

14:31, thats a good thing right, 2:1 mode, isn't it DRAM latency in the double digits?, it says 9ns. I understand Jay said there is microstutter and it makes sense that high freq RAM would give high RAM latency. I just was curious as 9ns... I'm sure it should be double digits for DRAM like i mentioned above.

[@blitzkreep4905]

Jay, based on the voltages you mentioned for the 3900X, could you recommend a ballpark figure for the 3700X?

[@Garcheezy]

thats asus fault jay! other manufacturers like gigabyte have good voltages even on the same AGESA code as the crosshair viii. Asus bios department is a disaster lately.

[@mrbill1357]

msi god like was 1.492 vcore default

[@Frugl1]

@@mrbill1357 I encourage you to read www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

[@k2extremefx]

How about the 3800 X everyone is doing all the processors except this one 😳

[@devilmikey00]

No one has them and I wouldn't expect much different from the 3700x besides slightly higher boost behavior out of the box.

[@junkiexl86]

because its largely pointless. Just get the 3700x and manually overclock it. Zero difference between the two other than a 100mhz factory set base multiplier and a price hike lol Oh and the 3800x is 105w TDP vs the 3700x's 65

[@artlessbene]

The heat issue also has to do with the LOCATION of the dies. They are off-centered, meanwhile all the water coolers are optimized for providing the best heat dissipation at the center of the block.

[@jessen600]

Jay, thank you for making this video. I am very glad I watched it before plonking a Ryzen 9 3900X into my ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero VI X370 motherboard. You helped me keep the temps under control. I thank you.

[@luis-ciphermstar6597]

GIGABYTE X570 AORUS XTREME or ASUS X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Formula @$699.99?? I want the Aorus Xtreme, but I bought the Asus ROG because it was all that was available. At $700($699.99) plus the extra $50 I got off at Microcenter for getting the processor as well, I damn sure want to make sure I bought the best option out of these offerings. Help me decide whether to exchange the Asus Crosshair VIII Formula for the Aorus Xtreme or keep it!!! Just wondering tbh

[@branchprediction9923]

What!? Why!? 700!!!¿¿¿

[@AndyWatchingYoutube]

you obviously did not buy the best option, $700?? you might aswell bend over too

[@luis-ciphermstar6597]

@@branchprediction9923 The price is most definitely and undeniably horrible, but the super high end vrm's and chips on these boards are second to none. I want to do some massive overclocking in the future as well other things.

[@TheCivicsiep3]

dam dude, ya that wasn't a good buy at all honestly. the crosshair vii hero has the exact same vrm, same memory features same amount of sata ports same nvme slots, the hero viii is 350$ the formula is an absolute rip off the only thing that your getting is that vrm water block which is completely unnecessary. the vrms will never get hot enough for that block to matter its eye candy really. the gigabyte is a much superior board to the formula in pretty much every way. if you want asus buy the crosshair viii hero its the same board in every way that actually matters. the formula is just the bling version but it doesn't offer any performance benefit not found on the half price crosshair viii hero boards. hope you can return it and get the hero save yourself some money

[@luis-ciphermstar6597]

@@AndyWatchingKZbin The best option out of the top tier boards is what I was looking for. I'm not looking for bargain bin boards if that's what you are aiming at, I want the best of the best for Ryzen 3900X/3950X. The Aorus Xtreme is obviously that board from all the things I have read and watched since Computex. But according to you, I wonder what the best option would be, even though what you want is obviously not the same I'm guessing.. Thanks for the opinion though :)

[@DerCyruS]

when do we see you doing some rx 5700xt watercooling stuff?

[@Safetytrousers]

I don't think any blocks for Navi are out yet. EK Navi blocks don't ship until 26th July.

[@obic123]

No need Corsair 240mm AIO drill the intel plate like the Radeon VII Add m3 bolt ET VOILA

[@DerCyruS]

@@Safetytrousers Igor from IgorsLab got already a pre-production sample From the EK rx5700xt vector fullcover blocks..... rockstable 2,1GHz without ANY mods... just increased core clocks, and a little bit power limit kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXyWmqZ9nJ6hetk playing with power tables: 2,2 GHz: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpurh2yChd2titU

[@Elkaasje]

Jay, disable LN2 mode next time before you accuse Asus of borking your voltages.

[@gupsterg6171]

@CastAway_Dave You'll see where he starts to show UEFI settings at the top LN2 mode is enabled, so board will automatically set high voltages.

[@hardcorehardware361]

He also applied manual voltage which will impact single core boost speed, these chips require 1.5v to hold their rated single core turbo this video was pointless IMO.

[@robp4616]

@@gupsterg6171 Where have you seen it stated that LN2 mode sets high voltages? From my understanding, it simply allows the system to POST when the CPU is in sub-zero temperatures. With LN2 disabled under these conditions, there would be a sort of boot bug that restricts the system from POSTing. Whether or not LN2 mode works its magic via higher initial CPU voltages, I can't confirm.

[@gupsterg6171]

@@robp4616 I have in the past read posts by Elmor on OCN, he used to work in ASUS ROG MB R&D. Then you'll note a post on OCN C8H/C8F owners thread, post 50 by Silent Scone, he's a mod on ROG forum and has close ties with ASUS.

[@robp4616]

@@gupsterg6171 Interesting. I mean, it does make sense to up voltages in lower temperatures -- thinking similarly as CCA in automotive batteries, although that's not a perfect comparison.

[@techtician2726]

I agree 100% with the request for Jay to do videos for bios explanations. Many people commented that there's too many manufacturers... No there's not. We ONLY need the big four. ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and AsRock. And ONLY on one of their top boards, as MOST of their boards will have the same settings. That's ONLY four videos. These guys are always looking for needed content to put out, WELL HERE IT IS... BTW, I have a 3900X on my OLD Asus CH VI Extreme X370 mobo, with 32gb of GSkill FlareX 3200C14 RAM. I've achieved an all core STABLE OC of 4.45ghz at 1.25v, with the memory OC to 3466mhz at listed timings. I think that's pretty impressive for a GEN1 mobo... ALSO, the lower performance of this chip, than advertised is ALL SOFTWARE!!!! It's because it's all NEW! It takes time to hone in the drivers and bios of brand new chips. In fact, when I first put my 3900X in my system, it acted crazy for quite a while. So I was thinking I got a really bad chip. But ACTUALLY it was the system learning and training with that chip. NOW, it's running very well. So don't be thrown by crazy things happening when you first load one. Give them time to train for several hours before making any determinations.