Our custom AMD 3900X system won’t POST... BIOS Failure?

[@Jayztwocents]

SO.... it would appear that the Reddit trolls started threads claiming that I was deleting comments, including Hardware Unboxed comments. It would appear that his comment ended up in the spam filter because people posted links in his replies which ends up throwing the entire comment thread in the spam filters. The same goes for a lot of comments with links. I have more comments in spam filter on this video than ever before... Ive posted proof on twitter that his comment WAS NOT deleted or censored by me... his comment should be live now and at the top because of the number of likes on it. THIS one is pinned instead of that one because I wont tolerate being accused of something I didnt do. If you think this video is one big fuck up, then thats fine. But I didnt delete anyone's comments.... Well thats not entirely true... I usually delete "first" comments... but I think we can all agree thats ok.

[@Salehalanazi-7]

@@Hobbitcraft Ahhh man! I wanted to get on the hate train. I'm so bored

[@Salehalanazi-7]

Oh i can also see HU comment now.

[@johnknightiii1351]

I can understand your frustration. Working with hardware that is not functioning properly is beyond stressful. It is clear your frustration is coming through the video and put many people on the defensive. Using harsh language and blanket statements like calling people from reddit trolls is very disheartening. All it does is put more people on the defensive, just like you are now. I know it wasn't your intention but your language defensive and tone are causing a divide. Just look through these comments and see how many people are being pushed away from technology because of it. I don't know what your intention was releasing this video other than to vent your frustration but I think it has caused some unintended responses. I don't belive you are pro Intel or AMD, but a fan of technology. I hope you can make a follow up video with some troubleshooting to fix the problem.

[@zackfair1868]

Yeah bro dont mind the haters stand your ground you can have thousands of judgemental people but you still got million of supporters that is ready to back you up. They never understand your content what is the purpose of jayztwocents if you will review like you are licking those fan boys balls. Your content your oppinion. Hence jaytwocents

[@FragEightyfive]

I always want to root for the underdog. But, with AMD, every. single. time. i have buy an AMD product, i have issue after issue and things not working as they should or as advertised. Every. Single. Time. I have issues that ruin the experience. I get Intel/Nvidia and I have far less problems. It is extremely frustrating and in most cases, it is worth the extra couple hundred for the intel/nvidia system because then I can actually use the system. and if a problem creeps up on a work system, it doesn't cost me in lost production. I just saved $200 on a $1500-2000 system, but i just lost 4 hours at $50+/hr in production. I hate saying this but I know i'm not the only one on this thought train.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

If that's the Godlike motherboard you got in the review kit, get a retail board Jay. The review version was pre-production and does have issues which have been fixed with the retail version, it you have the little blue diagnostic pins on the rear side of the board it's pre-production. Also AMD's come out and clearly stated that the working voltage for Zen 2 is 0.2v - 1.5v, so up to 1.5v is perfectly fine. I'm not sure why everyone assumes the voltage parameters for a new process node that we've never used before.

[@darknewsT]

Thank you for posting this comment! I swear jay can't do simple research still talks about perfectly fine voltage. To everyone, 1.5 volts is a single core voltage and is fine.( Bios is using single core)

[@tstecpt]

Good comment. AMD said that zen 2 will clock the cpu higher if it as thermal head room, so the temp will be very close for every one but if you have a good cooler will have a little more performance

[@massacre072885]

Thank you for this comment. I don't understand why so many people seem to think they know more about what constitutes proper voltage than AMD's engineers.

[@GearsScrewlose]

Ugh, not sure where to begin. It’s largely irrelevant what the acceptable voltage ranges are. Tables are typically skewed to the high end to allow for maximum compatibility an complete unnecessary in the majority of cases. Both Gigabyte and MSI are known for reporting voltages that differs from other manufacturers (and BIOS setting as well). Jay has every right to complain here.

[@techpappee]

He is overstating Ryzen 3000 issues. There haven't been issue with x570 like 1000 had. Its simply not the truth. Maybe buy a production board instead of blaming the company and not his free preproduction board. Then he makes the 3950x claim of why its not out when it's not supposed to be out yet!! #5 year old tantrum.

[@MSIGamingOfficial]

There is no issue on mass production product with hardware component change. The sample you have is the batch of early samples for media seeding before mass production, which might potentially result in no boot with 3900K CPU. We are happy to send new one to verify it if needed.

[@shorne2159]

De bug bios , I got Msi z370 overheating solved it it was a Trojan and effected my temps cpu at 100% on idle . I flashed bios and reinstalled windows problem fixed never had problem voltages are fine now. I like Msi but sometimes all manufacturers get things wrong or things throw up out the blue . It just happens depends if the problem is overcome or on going .

[@OpaKopalke]

Nice. New mainboard means rebuilding the pc. I'm looking forward to another pc building video kappa.

[@boosted94sc300]

Im curious what cpu temps would be with amd provided air cooler. No offense to msi as i didnt see any issues here regarding temps, but not everyone can afford a msi meg godlike with all ekwb parts to cool it. Im still trying to finish my x79 and x99 builds. Lol.

[@w04h]

3900K? ... X

[@FiRem002]

And this is why pre-release engineering samples should be fucking banned. They’re either complete garbage or nothing like the production runs.

[@RonsonDenmark]

I have ZERO problems with my AMD build. Mainly because my 3900X, which I ordered on launch day, still hasn't been shipped.

[@SuperDomochan]

are you serious? 2 months and still nothing?

[@eaglescout265]

I did not order on launch day, but I am still in the same boat. Ordered on July 30th from BH and no sign if it will ever ship. Just watching amazon and Newegg keep getting resupplied and selling them above msrp. Yes amazon is selling it at the higher prices, not the marketplace.

[@justinromulo6711]

Lmao, same! Still waiting

[@Spoonjamin]

I got mine within a week of ordering. Holy cow man!

[@krhagene]

I also ordered on launch day and got mine around 25 July

[@agm130]

Time to man up and call The Verge for help.

[@behwen1250]

They might make it ya know As the shitty build thy made still manage to boot xD

[@stevenbrumbaugh7253]

Yeah, Jay didn't put enough thermal paste on there, so it's getting hot.

[@whiskeymike7364]

That's just mean. Funny, but mean.

[@also5015]

ROFL

[@yunegarcia]

Loool

[@ciderandthorazine]

aww - dark knight build lived long enough to see itself become the villain.

[@yurijai9801]

You deserve more upvotes, sir!🤣😆😅😂

[@rangafromtonga6975]

@@yurijai9801 shuddup

[@AWOL_ODST]

tea_and_thorazine Gold

[@BASTIEN747]

Perfect

[@ORBrunner]

Nope Simply Jay is a noob in AMD questions and quite incompitent in choosing motherboards for AMD Everybody sane know that MSI is a cancer plague in terms of BIOS. AsRock, Gigabyte and Asus are much better options Also Corsair RAM are meh compared to G.Skill Trident Neo Z or Neo. They are much better optimized for x570 and AMD Ryzen 3d gen.

[@ojdidit84]

If the BIOS is causing issues, wouldn't that be a motherboard manufacturer issues and not an AMD issue? Seems like MSI needs to tighten the QA/QC on their AMD boards.

[@LUMI.THE.IMPALER]

ojdidit84 exactly what I was thinking...

[@omnia5-9]

AMD is also at fault CPU firmware or instructions are provided by AMD. If problems exist there, not even motherboard manufacturers can do anything about it. Only wait for new instructions or firmware provided by AMD.

[@XicorVT]

@@dorientjewoller113 thats what i thought might be a defect motherboard i got a 3700x with X570 GAMING PLUS motherboard and it is a msi motherboard and no issue here but then again hes using the 3900x but still

[@NeCrOmAnCiN85]

@@goblinphreak2132 No issue with 3900x on Asus x570 Pro www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20173849

[@ouity4]

@@dorientjewoller113 Didn't he say "this one is on msi" when he got the first cpu error?

[@albundy06]

You're a reviewer. If a product doesn't meet the spec that it'll rated and marketing,. It matters and it isn't nitpicking. That's called doing your damn job to be honest

[@desjardinsfamily5769]

He is not a reviewer.. He is an influencer. Once you take money from a company you are no longer unbiased. A crucial aspect of a reviewer. He even admits it in the video "I'm sure the company will reach out to me".

[@NewmanOnGaming]

Desjardins Family you mean content creator? Influencer is suggestive in title.

[@shaneeslick]

I agree, I'm only heard the term 'Internet Influencer' last year, & straight away thought it was someone who claims to be a reviewer that is paid to say good thing to sell Shit Products, A real reviewer tells the truth about the product, so that Buyers can make an 'Informed Decision' on a product, I am so sick of the Advertising Saying 'it's a MUST watch episode' 'You HAVE to play this game' 'You NEED This product'

[@ronnie3044]

@@desjardinsfamily5769 not true at all. You can be given money and still be unbiased. For example. Microcenter can sponsor one video and then on another video he can give them a bad review on a bad product. The only people that cant take money and be unbiased are people that shouldnt be reviewers in the first place as they lack integrity. If a person can only be unbiased when not getting paid they are a shit person and their opinion isnt worth anything to me personally.

[@undyingson1534]

amd is dog shit

[@xMooD1]

Normally Jay is stress testing the computer, here we see the computer stress testing Jay.😂 Holy crap, thanks for the likes guys. ☺

[@mohammadmekayelanik7408]

Perfect comment!!! ❤️👍

[@ScotterOtter]

Clever.

[@cjames4739]

Niiiiiice

[@EndomouEnd]

Perfect underrated comment

[@mikebronson161]

😂😂

[@samthemultimediaman]

Seems to me that the motherboard manufactures aren't putting the effort into their AMD products as much as their Intel lines.

[@APhamx7]

Or AMD is giving last minute/buggy firmware to manufacturers.

[@mromutt]

@@APhamx7 or probably both haha

[@MindaugasSnegirevas]

@@APhamx7 What about MSI EVOKE 5700XT? yea, shut up.

[@ORBrunner]

EVOKE is atrocity against graphics cards Holy Omnissiah, it was bad Steve from GN even fixed their factory thermal pads to improve results

[@wysetech2000]

Sam The Multimedia Man More pure bullshit.

[@ben_aflac]

If the BIOS update caused the issue wouldn't the problem stem from the motherboard manufacturer instead of AMD?

[@elkhound1983]

he did clearly state "this is on you MSI"

[@krocketonboost5236]

@@elkhound1983 yeah how could one possibly miss that lol

[@Vudian]

Yes and no, while it could be on the motherboard side, msi can only do so much with amd cpu. Amd gives them how the cpu works and guidelines. So even if msi follows it exactly if amd messed up with something they gave msi to follow it could cause soemthing like this. But that doesn't mean msi couldn't have messed up as well.

[@kaldogorath]

AMD releases the basis of the BIOS, called AGESA

[@gbnq2513]

@@Vudian Seriously dude, get a clue. If AMD stuffed up on an AGESA then EVERY board from EVERY manufacturer would be having the exact same issue. So, are they? No. This seems to be either an MSI specific problem or a 'Jay' specific problem.

[@auron1987]

If your computer won't turn on then it's fairly stable.

[@thecman26]

Stable overclock!

[@myopicthunder]

@Bitcoin4Life he obviously knows better than the scientists and engineers at AMD due to his past experience with completely different architecture.

[@wysetech2000]

???????? At least you know what to expect.

[@sergiotech1323]

lol

[@Code_Production]

@@myopicthunder hahah nailed it xD

[@techfusionaz2496]

Make sure ECC MODE ON RAM IS DISABLED!!!! So yeah I got a 3600 and dealt with similar issues when i got it. Fortunately as of now, with the latest Asus BIOS's it's very stable. (Crosshair VI Hero) But, only is this stable because as I was just scrolling thru the zen/AMD advanced options, guess what, freaken ECC mode is on by default! So yeah everyone please disable that.

[@MrRourk]

This and replace CPU with a Ryzen 2000 series. Then update bios. Swap chips to the 3000 Series.

[@Munchopen]

@SpankBuda lol

[@APhamx7]

@@MrRourk The x570 should already support the 3000 series by default.

[@elkhound1983]

@@MrRourk why would someone buy 2 processors to build a pc ?

[@MrRourk]

Just assuming with all that gear at that shop he has a older Ryzen CPU hanging around. Just need to borrow it for a few minutes.

[@Uro666]

I own a 3900X paired with an ASUS Prime X570 Pro running 240mm CLC with ample case fans, never had any heat issues. I have helped a few guys on r/AMD who were complaining about higher temps with ABBA compared to ABB, it turned out that they werent using the latest chipset drivers, with ASUS those are available via Armoury Crate software (and not on their website for whatever dumb reason). Upon informing those guys about where to obtain the latest drivers they reported back their temps dropped by ~20C and CB scores were higher. So the Chipset drivers and associated Windows power profiles also have a huge effect on reported temperatures when paired with BIOS versions. I completely agree that this entire issue, regardless of AMD CPU SKU lays firmly at the feet of motherboard manufacturers rushing out BETA BIOS firmware instead of fully validating and testing them to qualify as non-beta status, alongside poor driver availability, i.e. not immediately available on their websites and instead through proprietary software.

[@AnarchyEngineer]

Just to add - you can also get the latest chipset drivers from AMD's own site. Apart from my Hero Formula disabling core enhancement (so my 3700X kept running at stock speeds) and my old OC profile put me into a bootloop (so I had to tighten my RAM again) - ABBA seems fine so far. Feel like I got lucky with my issues looking at what happened to some people and this ABBA update.

[@suzyalbin9178]

same here, I've never had a issue

[@IanBoostJunkie]

With my 3900, no mater what I do I hit 80-83c with Cinebench R20 multi. Yet my chip is 32c at idle. My chip boosts to 4.175 for multi core but does not hit anywhere close to the rated single core. I barely hit 4.4ghz on a good run. Even with ABBA update. I’m also not able to run my Trident Z Neo 3600 C16 ram kit at its rated speed because the ASRock Taichi X570 has the the WORST memory compatibility out of any of the new boards. Sufficed to say I’m a with you on the frustration for this launch.

[@wysetech2000]

@@BulkybearOG Nobody should rely on Windows drivers. Get them from AMD.

[@Uro666]

@@BulkybearOG Yes the fix has to come with BIOS firmware revisions, but AMD also stated they had further Windows related fixes (scheduler/power profile/etc) which would be in the latest AMD Windows 10 Chipset driver. Windows and Linux work on entirely different OS structures with completely unrelated scheduler and power management software, you cannot compare them in that way, so in the case of Linux a kernel patch in all likelyhood was not required.

[@CoriBis]

You can override the rainbow vomit in Corsair software before windows. It’s in the hardware lighting section in icue 🙃

[@flandrble]

I'm surprised people haven't seen this function, it's been in there for a while

[@hafeezhamama9580]

Thank you, I didn't know that feature existed.

[@ptrmppa]

exactly, push this up.

[@LexLutha]

Does that work for CAM lighting as well?

[@burlyman3086]

Got a whole other problem with iCUE and my LL120s which I can see on JayZs system in the last few minutes aswell - sometimes, the last two channels on my RGB Controller won't work properly anymore. The LEDs get stuck in RGB mode and won't show the wanted effect anymore. Did anyone have the same issue and a solution for that?

[@sacleocheaterz]

I love your content but I do think this video contains much misinformation. About the voltage issue, AMD have consistently said that up to 1.5v idle is perfectly safe, after all voltage is only a single measurement of power. 1.5v at idle is still only maybe 10w of power, perfectly safe. Under load as you saw yourself the voltage drops down to 1.2ish which also is perfectly within spec. Please stop saying that 1.5 is too high because time and time again AMD have said that it isn't - nobody else has any proof to refute their claim, remember than Zen 2 is a totally new approach to CPU design unlike anything we really have seen in the PC space before. If MSI's claim in the comments is also true about your board being pre-production then that may explain the problems you have been having - but really just replace the board and stop making an issue out of nothing. AMD Source for 1.5v Safe (Read PDF at bottom): community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2019/07/30/community-update-5-let-s-talk-clocks-voltages-and-destiny-2

[@sacleocheaterz]

@SysPowerTools sorry but how can you claim this is unacceptable? Every 3000 series CPU (except APUs) exhibit this behaviour and the document I linked above already says that this is how the CPU is supposed to work. The vdroop is extreme because that is how it is designed to work. It is not an issue.

[@mikel9656]

Spot on man, my 3900X has similar behavior. people don't realize that due to the windows scheduler and how it randomly loads the cores. Your gonna see what looks like big voltage jumps all over the place, on seemingly unloaded cores and vice versa as the cpu boosts the loaded cores, but that is simply an artifact of the sampling rate of the software polling the voltages. The CPU can make adjustments faster than the sampling rate of the monitoring software. This is a case of something being so much more complex that people cant really grasp what is going on.

[@sacleocheaterz]

@@ThreeFontStreet As it says in the document linked above, boosts of up to 1.5v can also be expected depending on the type of workload.

[@HardwareHorizon]

I'm inclined to think this is more an MSI issue than an AMD issue. I had a similar experience at one point with a Gigabyte BIOS update. Thankfully they had dual BIOS. I had to go back to the old one, downgrade for a bit, and wait until a newer BIOS release came out past the problematic one.

[@thisisbunnygaming8921]

Well... Thankfully my dual bios z370 for 300€ again from GB managed to some how crash to death afte a bios update... And 5 reboot while it Was still working... Loved that... Especially when the rma center bend 5 pins on the socket And said i gave it to them like that when they actually did it infront of me... Take a wild guess If i am updating my bios EVER AGAIN...

[@12Burton24]

Gigabyte is something i will never go with anymore Aorus Z390 Master was so annoying...

[@thisisbunnygaming8921]

@@12Burton24 really happy with the z370 gaming 7 performance but... That annoying bios update fuckup Was Just epic fail... Rebooted to Windows like 5 6 7 times And on the 8th stuck in bios no screen... Supposed to have specific usb port for repair of bios.... Not the case... The the Shop i got it from hit the cpu 7 times in the socket cause they didnt wanna lie the case... Then from cpu working went to cpu not found And worranty denied... Had to buy a 2nd one of the same from Amazon not gonna touch the bios from stock... Atleast i found a 3rd party service that fixed it for cheap including the pins... But dont have 8 series cpu to test And release it... Thinking of making them put the latest so i Can put a 9900k And make a 2nd System with it to remove my 3700 And xeon e3 1230 Systems plus i am pretty sure the vrm on that board Will hold up a 5ghz oc on 9900k aslong as i put a full Block on the cpu And vrm And Will be quieter than the 8700k 5ghz that i have... Made the mistake to use handbrake before i went to bed... It Was 12 fans ramping min max speed all the time for 2h.... Had that sound melted in my brain for 3 days...

[@12Burton24]

@@thisisbunnygaming8921 no i had a faulty master, bios was jot keeping settings, battery replacement was not helping i contacted the support they told me sounds like PSU fault which produces bois memory lose...well new psu didnt help and i spent the money...no sorry nothing. I got a replacemnt. Than my 4000MHz Trident Z RGB cant be run on the XMP...it was just not working. And bios is disappointing and the programms you get to manage everything and my 9900k was not able to go to 5Ghz with this all over praised 12plus 2 phases. I sold it bought a Maximus XI Formula and im happy. I can reach 5Ghz and programms are nice bios is niceand XMP works well. Due to an other issue with a Gigabyte AIO GTX1080 where they first repaired it and everything arrived with cooling fluid all over and than replaced it with an incomplet used Card and package. I was able to use my card for 1 month until i had the problem with the pump....and they do something line that replacing it by a return or a used one...seriously you cant do that as a company. I would understand it if i used it for 1.5 years and the replace it in warranty with a return or used card ok. but not with a card which is 1 month old....This two reasons is why i avoid this company. More details will be to long so i tried to keep it short.

[@thisisbunnygaming8921]

@@12Burton24 yeah their responce when contacted directly Was slow as fuck And not helping at all... I really cant understand that... How ever i do really like the visual design on the z370 gaming 7 And 1080ti xtreme And performance is great... Bios And support are tragic... I am happy that i didnt opt for the 390 Master even with the shortage of the 370 gaming 7 when my issue happaned.. The Master Just didnt appeal to me for some reason... The only issue with my overall build is my thermaltake rgb stuff that has such a slopy ui... 2 rgb on 1 control And its too much clicks for on/off color change... The GB software for control is literaly 1 click Guess ill eather have to find a TT to GB sync unit or find a programmer to sync my stuff... Dou i probabpy still need some custom code as to the use i need to sync And color change And return on demand to certain notifications... Guessing thats gonna be a bitch to make

[@srconcepts1848]

I dunno what's going on here, my AMD K6 boots up here just fine! *posted via AOL on 56k modem*

[@mdd1963]

I had a few K6 CPU's myself...and one K7 Slot A 650!

[@davemilligan1171]

Brought to you by " Netscape" .....

[@hewyx1186]

you've got MAIL

[@Out2GetYaWorldAKAMcfly]

I've Got one of those! Love the squak! Can you hear it ☺

[@todddembsky8321]

Sure beats my 9600 baud Acoustic Couple modem... Thank gawd that Dos 3.1 still work on my machine.

[@screwb1882]

MSI being incompetent with there bios implementation isn't AMD's fault.

[@andretheron1833]

It also isn't not AMDs fault. This isn't happening on Intel boards.

[@sdHansy]

I've heard that from numerous places that MSI motherboards are a pain in the ass. I think I might go for ASUS og Gigabyte.

[@mihaildraganov1045]

It kinda is though. AMD are infamous with giving the AGESA to the moderboard vendors a few hours before the launch so no one has time to do a proper BIOS. Trust me I've had Ryzens from all generations (1700 then 2700 and now i use the 3900x) and I can tell you its not just MSI, ALL motherboard companies have problems with launch BIOSes. I've had problems with Asus (x370), Asrock (x470) and Gigabyte (x470) as well. They get fixed in a couple of months usually but at launch its always bad and it's AMDs fault :)

[@NightMotorcyclist]

I'm never buying anything by MSI. I've had issues with their garbage products since 2002.

[@whoshotya117]

ASUS IS DEMIURGE TIER

[@Dansl05]

Let me set this straight. The CPU is not running at 1.5v. what's happening is related to how AMD has pushed performance to the max. To enable running at slightly higher clocks whenever possible, zen 2 can shift power states in a matter of microseconds. This causes the CPU to boost like crazy for even the tiniest of background processes. Monitoring software has traditionally shown the max voltage during the poll interval. The CPU is perfectly fine using 1.5v on a single core for a millisecond or less. It's unusual and annoying to not get idle voltage readings, but it's not as bad as you seem to think. This is part of what allowed AMD to hit advertised boosts, and now in many cases they will. There was a microcode version that fixed this but I believe ABBA backtracked on this due to issues with the fix that were responsible for 25-50 MHz in some single core loads. The 3900x is also still so often thermally constrained, but better coolers that account for the heat being created at the top and not the middle would likely help a ton. How AMDs boosting works is unconventional, but in the end it leads to better performance for the consumer. Whether or not it is nice and polished is a different story. Really it's innovation on how boosting can work IMO. Letting some better cores be allowed to boost higher than others isn't evil and malicious at all right? Meanwhile tech news outlets are raising the alarm and calling it a scandal.

[@Code_Production]

at least someone undarstands all this is normal ...

[@ak9084]

@@Code_Production yeah AMD quality is cheap and its normal for cheap things to break😊

[@ChatBot1337]

Did you try turning it off and back on again? Did you ask the google?

[@eppsislike]

'The' Google?

[@metallurgico]

He binged it

[@derrickgott007]

Before the launch of Ryzen 1st Gen, I got a pre production MSI Titanium X370 motherboard. That board gave me nothing but problems such as boot loops, hangs, crashes etc...I believe the problem here is not AMD, but pre production MSI.

[@BananaHunter-us7qm]

True dont buy MSI motherboards I had a b450 problem

[@SianaGearz]

1st gen Ryzen launch didn't give mainboard manufacturers ample time to work on products, as firmware components, hardware components and documentation came very late in relation to product launch, and it was an immensely complex product to launch, given how different it was from anything that existed prior, so issues were rampant across all big-3 conglomerates. So it's not like AMD wasn't complicit that round over, or simply trusted that the consumer takeup would be slow enough for the issues to iron themselves out till the bulk of consumers would actually commit to purchase decision. I don't know what has been happening this launch, but given that AGESA received several necessary adjustments post-launch, it's a hint that this one was slightly rushed as well. I think waiting a couple months is a good thing to keep in mind for AMD hardware. That being said i suspect there's some headassery from MSI specifically, that they should have flat out recalled prelaunch products for potential compatibility issues, as chances are prerelease hardware is different from final and not 100% compatible with retail firmware. I wouldn't even trust that the voltages that Jay is seeing are real, as the feedback circuit is kinda among the things that are easily subject to adjustment late in development. I'm also dubious over MSI blaming the small firmware chip capacity for issues on their B450 boards with 3000 series Ryzen, because other manufacturers have been able to launch much more smoothly with 16MB capacity chips, while MSI had to scramble big time. AGESA really isn't THAT big of a data chunk. I mean a few years back it was like 48-64kb in size and now it's maybe up to several hundred kb, and MSI are telling me they crammed 16MB so full that it's not fitting? GTFO, you can't bloody engineer things with so little margin, it's MSI's incompetent bloat, not AMD's.

[@conchayftw]

@@SianaGearz had the same issue whit my MSI 1st gen board. took them 6months before a bios uppdate fixed it. havent had a single flaw whit it since.

[@nvidiapowah4581]

same issues on asus crosshair vi. down to the hit restart multiple times until it boots

[@derrickgott007]

@@nvidiapowah4581 I'm on a Asus Crosshair Hero VI as we speak. I have no problem.

[@wulfgarpl]

Wasn't there an explanation about voltages and how you shouldn't under-volt Ryzen CPU and that 1.5v is fine? " In short, the board detects a lower supply voltage from the board (as we set in the BIOS), tries to compensate voltage by requesting higher-than-usual voltages for the individual cores, and makes sure each core still gets 1.3'ish volts. Once you undervolt too much, however, you run out of headroom and the CPU is actually short for voltage, and treats this as if it's experiencing "Vdroops". It fixes this by lowering the clockspeed on a nanosecond scale, but also does this a shitload of times because it's not just a Vdroop but a constant low voltage. All software still reports high frequencies, while under the hood this failsafe is throttling the CPU on a nanosecond scale in order to keep data integrity. So your effective clockspeed is lower without monitoring tools noticing. " (not the post, but similar)

[@Kageitenshi]

Not sure if that is the case, at least above 1.325V on my 3800X with a manual all core OC of 4.4 GHz; the only significant difference between auto voltage and manually set voltage in a Cinebench R20 run was ~5°C temperature difference with auto reaching 88-90°C if I let it. Below 1.325V it actually doesn't reach 4.4GHz on all cores anymore and it's a flat drop of 25-50 MHz on some cores, not a rapid fluctuation, though it could be silicon lottery related on how each CPU reacts to lower than expected voltages. However, even setting 4.45 GHz causes some cores to not hit that target and adding more voltage gets above comfortable temps and throttles at 85°C now that I set that as the max in BIOS. 4.3 GHz all core is stable at 1.3V and doesn't go above 80°C. I do wonder why PBO and default behavior likes 1.4-1.47V so much, when it just seems to increase maximum temps under max load.

[@gernstsmit]

Edit: So Jay did not delete the comment, it was deleted by YT spam filter because some comments on it had links that were not allowed. Sorry Jay. Original comment follows : Jay, why did you delete Steve from Hardware Unboxed's comment? You are using a pre-production board here, not retail. You cannot condemn "Ryzen" because you have a issue with one board, especially if it's not a retail item. Bad form Jay, bad form.

[@jbonn5365]

Jay...admit he was wrong and called out a company for HIS mistake. Par for the course with this clown.

[@pomodraw]

Well maybe don't release shit to the press if it doesn't fucking work??? Just a thought, this guy's get this boards to review and torture, not to say pretty things about them

[@123b3n123]

@@pomodraw they don't get sent a pre-production board to do reviews with, you pleb

[@pomodraw]

@@123b3n123 then what for?? Take pictures, b-roll and say it's pretty and shiny not available and not testable cause it's not production?? That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard a company do XD

[@marvinracer88]

My board was not from pre-production and I had the same issue before returning the board to amazon. So, no.

[@jaydaytoday3548]

Thats why when i got my first stable bios on my gigabyte board i never again updated bios. don't fix what ain't broken.

[@UsedNReviewed]

Often is sound advice

[@DefinitelyNotNeal.]

Jaydaytoday what board do you have ?

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

That is sound advice, also great advice when it comes to females. If you have a wife who cooks and cleans for you, don't update her when her breasts start to sag.

[@madfinntech]

That's why we should be able to disable Windows updates.

[@1337Ox]

I know right? Sure there were some compatibility issues with first gen Ryzen, but what were the problems with 2000 series? I got X470 with 2600 week after the launch and I didn't have a single issue since. Didn't need to update, set anything. It just works

[@Ferkelwemser667]

Ryzen 1000, 2000 and 3 times Ryzen 3000 on x370 b450 und x570 with latest ASUS BIOS - no Problem at all (including overclocking)

[@sredz8702]

agreed. but you need to adjust voltages, mine was 60 degrees in bios at first lol

[@wysetech2000]

Raimund Eckes Why overclock? It does almost nothing and beats the crap outta your precious CPU

[@wysetech2000]

@Payn Smasher's Productions I don't use AMD I'm well under tj max with my liquid cooler. My 6700k does what i need it to do without all the drama and headaches.

[@wysetech2000]

@Payn Smasher's Productions Yes...4.8 GHz. 1.24v on all cores. 75 to 80c.

[@wysetech2000]

@Payn Smasher's Productions I think you misunderstood. I meant that overclocking Ryzen wasn't worth it for what you gain.

[@iamacommunist8386]

It would be nice if you take that same exact CPU and place in into multiple boards and discover what the temps are in each. Ranging from x370, 470, and 570 boards. I also understand single vs dual loop is negligible, but it would be nice to see the difference between the two with the same CPU. A lot of work, but I would love to see it.

[@danield.7359]

I experienced the same with msi b450 and ryzen 1st and 2nd gen: ludicrously high vcore factory settings and accordingly high temps. Had to manually offset by about -0.2 volts. And that's what apparently didn't work on Jayz' build (cpu error). I never encountered this error though on my builds (3 msi/ryzen builds in my home).

[@m.streicher8286]

Hey Jay can your next video explain to us the differences between pre production motherboards, and ones that are stable and tested for the public? -thanks

[@Squall4Rinoa]

its likely not even the motherboard lol

[@wb3123]

@@Squall4Rinoa MSI themselves have said that it is. Quote from MSI in this very video's comments, "There is no issue on mass production product with hardware component change. The sample you have is the batch of early samples for media seeding before mass production, which might potentially result in no boot with 3900K CPU. We are happy to send new one to verify it if needed."

[@m.streicher8286]

@@Squall4Rinoa Add this one to the pile of wrong people. When something goes wrong and it you're using pre production stuff, you blame the pre production part first, that's the only logical and fair thing to do. If he tests the 10980xe on some piece of shit pre-pro board I'll be just as upset. Also yes it's likely due to the pre-pro board you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@Squall4Rinoa]

@@wb3123 I'd not pay much heed to what MSI has said considering it isn't an isolated case and retail boards are getting issues too, its most likely an isolated batch of bad cpu's, not the first time with ryzen, won't be the last.

[@rdmz135]

@@Squall4Rinoa Its literally the motherboard thats to fault here. If you're not going to take the board manufacturers word then theres no point discussing as you won't take anyones word for it. Its been proven time and time again that "broken" Ryzen CPUs magically start working 100% according to spec with a simple board change. Check HUB's and Derbauers videos for context. Thats not to say that AMD are angels here. Their AGESA versions always have something broken, which is acceptable once or twice but its ridiculous now. They need better programmers working on that. CPUs are fine though.

[@SDSakuragi]

Hugs my ASRock Taichi for not bricking on update.

[@dalidouzi9400]

Asrock is straight up being slept on.

[@meemattt]

Which Update?

[@SDSakuragi]

@@meemattt The ABBA update.

[@SaltSpirits]

Dali Douzi i think it’s because they have a bad reputation when it comes to VRMs, or at least they always used to. Could’ve changed since I’ve seen anything about them

[@Melthornal]

@@dalidouzi9400 I've had nothing but good experiences with asrock. I didn't buy asrock for my new computer because I have bought it for every computer I have built (for myself and for other people) over the past 12 years and I just wanted to branch out and meet new people.

[@bouxesas2046]

Fortunately I had no issues with 3700x posting or temperatures. The CPU even reaches 29C on Idle with an air cooler. 75C on highest load.

[@notjustforme]

I had to re-seat my CPU a few times until it worked... re-seat, boot up without a cooler until the CPU light wont stay on. mount cooler. Done. Almost killed me the day I got it, Saturday evening of course. So I had the whole night + Sunday to tinker with it. Tested all bios versions, tons of other tricks. it was the re-seating that did it for me, every time

[@jasonlyman2349]

I had to do the same with a different CPU and Mobo combo, Coffee Lake and Asus. It would only start after restarting 3 or 4 times or more and it wouldn't recognize all of the RAM.

[@XtraArtzz]

it happened to me with a 2200g as well

[@notjustforme]

@@josephnorris4095 nah, the five seconds that cpu light needs to go out is fine, no harm to the hardware :)

[@whiskeymike7364]

@@notjustforme Good to know. Thanks.

[@Squall4Rinoa]

this is a common thing with LGA sockets and socket tension, not with PGA sockets.

[@Dokken2x]

Why is he blaming everything on to AMD? I Switched from Intel/Nvidia to AMD this month, my system won't post either, tried 9999 different fixes. Long story short: MSI mobo was at fault, got an ASUS instead and now everything works flawlessly. Why didn't he research MSI forums and subreddit? It's a fucking shitshow, it's filled with people complaining about BIOS for weeks. I just feels it's "unprofessional" to make claims without doing any research on the multiple variables that can cause these POST issues.

[@LodewijkVrije]

@@karon_pcmr everybody says that the whole time but i don't understand? here in Europe Ryzen never had 1 fucked up launch. i bought a 1900 the day of release, later sold that one second hand, used to money i got for it plus 70 euros to get a 2700x 3 days after launch. and im currently selling my 2700x to upgrade to a 3800x which is fully available everywhere. and just like all the previous times, the only thing i've had every time (i buy a new MOBO and sell my old one with each CPU) is that i would buy a brand new, factory condition mother board. only to find out that it has bios version 1.0 installed on it, and yea that don't work with Ryzen. this is not the fault of AMD, this is the fault of motherboard manufacturers shipping their board with a version of the Bios, which does not support Ryzen even though they are advertising such boards as "Ryzen ready"

[@Warptenlololol]

"Why is he blaming everything on to AMD? " You just watched Jay rage on MSI because they skew their AMD release yet you AMD fans will find a way to spin it like Jay is spitting on AMD You loonies need to be shot, tbh.

[@jasongooden917]

Hardware Unboxed tested some motherboards and found MSI Gaming Edge VRM's are way hotter than all the other brands. over 100 C

[@paranoidrodent]

Yeah, but it was only MSI's budget X570 boards that had issues. Their higher end boards like Jay's got there performed decently if I recall correctly. Pretty much everyone's high end boards tend to be at least decent (which you kind of expect).

[@doneldTrumpet]

Msi is the hottest x570 on the street... Literally

[@SolarianStrike]

@Parky Fresh They are in MosFet tolerance. The issue is with the capacitors next to them. Those are rated at 105C at most, and some are rated for lower temps.

[@josephgeubtner]

That's because msi makes shit products

[@GareWorks]

To be fair, Jay, Gigabyte has the best BIOS on X570. I know "Gigabyte" and "best BIOS" has always been a bit of an oxymoron, but it appears to be true this time around - I'm legitimately impressed how much they improved their BIOS. Sure, it could be better, but still, they seem to be blowing away the competition this time around. MSI and ASUS, on the other hand, have been completely incompetent when it comes to Ryzen 3000-compatible BIOSes (I ended up with a bricked MSI B450 Tomahawk myself - gave me a CPU error light, sent the motherboard and CPU back, the retailer was useless and so was MSI, then TWO MONTHS LATER, I got credit for the motherboard and bought an X570 Aorus Master instead because they're already cheaper than MSRP; that's how long I waited). Corsair does need to sort out their RGB (and fan) shite though - you need to boot into Windows to control all this stuff, which makes no damn sense.

[@Raivo_K]

I agree with that statement. I have never used a Gigabyte motherboard before aside from my fist PC being an OEM build that used GB mobo. Always used ASUS. I did my research. Looked at how fast manufacturers were releasing their BIOS's and saw right away MSI lagging behind. ASUS was a little better but Gigabyte was the fastest to release ABBA. Si i got myself X570 Aorus Master too and i'll be honest. So far im really enjoying it. 1-2 cores boost to 4550Mhz on my 3800X and allcore clocks never drop below 4200Mhz out of the box. No tinkering required. Plus it's one of a few that uses real finned heatsinks on VRM and has 12 phases with no doublers. Loving the features too. Currently sitting at a techbench using old Hyper 212 EVO cooler and temps rerely exceed 75c. With a custom loop temps would be below 50c for sure. BIOS is easy to navigatye and easy to remember. Not a fan on the orange theme but that's minor. Favorites feature is a godsend. LED's on board to indicate what BIOS is in use, DIP switches to force single bios etc. Looking at the video and reading from the internet ASUS has problems with high voltage, MSI i just slow with updates and has killed several of their Godlike boards in reviiewers hands (problably voltage related). The Godlike board itself is a mess in terms of features (look at Buildzoid rambling about it). If you have that much money to spend on a motherboard go with Aorus Xtreme instead. Or better yet save 300+ bucks and get Aorus Master that is cheaper than almost all feature competing models from others (only Taichi is cheaper).

[@eduardoBR1991]

Well, crap. This kind of testimonies make me have second thoughts on upgrading to a 3900x using a x370 CHVI. I still haven't upgraded mainly because of that, and if new boards are having this kinda problem, can't imagine on older HW. I don't intend having to buy a new MB, kinda defeats the purpose of going AMD on the first place.

[@1SuperTempest]

Too bad their reliability on the x570 is dog poo tier...

[@Kageitenshi]

Got the ASUS X570-E for a 3800X and they changed some of the menu locations for settings between BIOS builds and loading an earlier profile almost added some garbage values, that I noticed while double checking the prompt for save and restart changes. Aside from that, things have been working smoothly, from updating BIOS from USB stick to getting ever so slightly better timings for RAM... multiple resets and and cleared BIOSes later due to Hynix M-dies simply refusing to OC beyond 3333 MTs without looser timings that reduced performance. Seeing boot diagnostics leds and code numbers helped a lot to see whether the mobo started memory training or if it hung up. The motherboard does seem to like setting voltages to 1.4-1.475V, even with with ABBA release under most any load with default PBO settings, despite having manually tweaked a nice and stable OC in Ryzen Master at 4.4 GHz all core @ 1.325V. Auto voltage only seems to increase temperatures from the custom loop's 55-60°C under a normal gaming load (room temp 25°C, AC:Odyssey, GTA V etc.) to 60-65°C, or from ~83°C to 88-90°C in CB R20 multicore test before I set temp limit to 85°C in BIOS. I have CPU and GPU on the same loop and could've maybe gotten bigger radiators, but these temps seem fine to me, as it only stays above 75°C under stress testing and benchmarks and I can always set it to 4.3 GHz all core at 1.3V that I tested ran it at for a week if I need to render something for hours. Fan settings and initial water temperature do affect the max temps and how fast they are reached quite a lot I found, while playing with the fan curve settings in BIOS, or ASUS Fan Xpert 4. The latter after I got it to work after a reinstall of the AI Suite III that required run as admin to install all components properly, which wasn't initially apparent. My previous mobos were Gigabyte, for a Phenom II and an i7 4770K, though I didn't tweak BIOS settings too much on either and the former doesn't even have UEFI BIOS, so not much of a comparison. Both worked fine for some 6 years each. Was torn between Gigabyte Aorus Ultra and X570-E after having already reserved the latter, but simply couldn't be arsed to change.

[@Slizzo82]

@@1SuperTempest Who, Gigabyte? I don' know, from all reports that I have seen, the Gigabyte boards have been the best. Aorus Master being one of the better boards on offer. I have a buddy with the Aorus master and a 3900X, he's had no issues whatsoever since release.

[@johnseguin5275]

I like AMD but I think they need to give the MOBO manufacturers a kick in the keister. Also although AMD has rough launches and Intel launches better. So far AMD stays ahead of security issues. And Intel from what I can tell is none for them. So both have their ups and downs.

[@twanc156]

I kinda have a feeling these manufacturers don't care about AMD and is sabotaging, just look at MSI x570 thermals and the 5700xt evoke they made, it's disgusting

[@johnseguin5275]

@@twanc156 I don't know if its on purpose or not but it does seem like they have a lack of preperation. For Intel and Nvidia they have been using the same platform for years so they have it down pat. There is a price for progress. But you would think they would prepare better.

[@hochhaul]

@@johnseguin5275 Exactly. Intel and Nvidia and their 3rd party partners have the advantage of only making small changes for a LONG time now. Even when Intel comes out with a new chipset, it's not a massive transformation over the previous chipset. That plays a role when it comes to bugs.

[@wysetech2000]

John Seguin Intel, Microsoft, Google, and Linux all have patches for all in place. AMD users can forget about Intel's security problems for now. Worry about your own shitshow.

[@johnseguin5275]

@@wysetech2000 I understand that they have patches in place but as Jay commented that one company launches better then the other. I was putting it out their that all the companies have their shit show to deal with. I fully admitted AMD has a shit show to deal with but provided a likely reasoning for it.

[@ThoseLines]

Why did you delete Hardware Unboxed's comment??

[@Pyreing]

Because he's just another salty intel shill.

[@N3ttwerk]

He works for intel

[@Synthematix]

@@N3ttwerk yup

[@privatesu577]

Hardware Shillbox, the same trash who accidently killed multiple of his own AMD CPUs due to high voltage LOL

[@QboyRuLz]

What were they saying?

[@d1ctator648]

It's actually because of MSI boards because i had same problem with ryzen 2000 series and there's so much chaos on reddit related msi boards giving the cpu error on bios update

[@joaquinninoortega156]

IN my MSI board x370 on 1st gen ryzen it boots on 1 stick ram and not on 2. Cpu and ram error.

[@hochhaul]

MSI's BIOS support is utter shit. They're so slow with BIOS updates that the X370 boards are still waiting for updates that should have been out months ago. So far their only BIOS releases have been for X570 boards and they're buggy beta releases that were rushed out. Motherboard manufacturers put such little resources into their BIOS development teams and it's hurting the whole industry.

[@damonmcclellan7896]

i had problems with msi and ryzen first gen couldn't overclock my 1300x without weird stability issues and the chip would never properly step down using pstates , several bios updates later and it works perfect hitting almost 200 mhz higher on speed

[@OggieDoggie]

Yeah i got the same error with a 3600 and msi x570 board. Could not figure out why it kept giving me a cpu error and almost returned the cpu but then i took out every component and re-seated them and moved the gpu to a different slot. The problem for myself ended up being the placement of the gpu. So the gpu is now in a less than ideal slot but the pc boots. To check I moved the gpu back last night and once again cpu error. Wonder if changing motherboards would solve the problem. hmmm

[@d1ctator648]

@@OggieDoggie have your mobo replaced

[@carsandclimbing]

jay, i have an asus TUF x570 mobo and by default it set it at 1.45 volts, it's all mobo manufacturers, not just MSI

[@Lightning9060]

My X570 Taichi is the same

[@Melthornal]

@@Lightning9060 My gigabyte auros pro is too.

[@ventzp2133]

Gigabyte board here. Stock settings 1.48V

[@426Studios]

He wont listen. Thats the problem with Jay. He wont listen to the explanation regarding the high voltages.

[@JohnDuthie]

I think Ryzen 3000 needs such a high voltage to reach the advertised single-core boost frequencies. If they didn't boost so high then the card would be limited to 4.1 or whatever.

[@Kayanite]

The Corsair doing rainbow puke is actually keeping at it's default values. Going into iCUE once you get it set back up and selecting your lighting channel(s), then "Hardware Lighting" underneath EACH channel and setting it up, is how you define the default.

[@alexanderhoke672]

Glad you brought this up surprised he doesn't know this as he has been repping the brand lately especially with this build. I can think of a few reasons to dookie on Corsair but tbh I figured that out within an hour of building my rig and downloading icue (commander pro/kbm)

[@Kayanite]

@@alexanderhoke672 - Yeah. Other than the motherboard, I had decided to build this exact system before even coming by his build and only did because someone mentioned it when I was looking for the time frame for the GPU block release date. Upon building it, the rainbow puke was royally pissing me off had to go. Was just a simple Google search. So I'm sure if he had actually toyed with the build more than the videos, he would have come by/figured it out. But pretty sure this build has probably been shelved since he finished it. Hopefully this information helps people!

[@aimsucks364]

No disclosure that you're using a pre-production board eh? Stay classy, Jay.

[@Raisinlove334]

No disclosure on this makes him look pretty bad. He seemed to be uninformed about Ryzen 3000 in general but knowing this now makes him look untrustworthy. We like you Jay but you need to take down the vid and reshoot. Get Tech Jesus to help you if that's what it takes.

[@solomonshv]

and who's fault is that? if intel or nvidia sent out pre production parts to reviewers that deviated from the final product in anyway, amd fan girls would be foaming at the mouth. reviewers and the press should have PRODUCTION models. anything else is just fraud on behalf of the manufacturer. stop orbiting around multi billion dollar, multinational corporations. they aren't going to do anything for you the same way twitch thots won't do anything for you.

[@Raisinlove334]

@@solomonshv Captures of the KZbin video clearly show the debug headers on the back of the board though. You know what's worse than having shitty pre production boards? My 7700k. That thing got a really bad TIM job and temps were pretty aweful. My 2070 super got RMAd because of shitty QC on the Micron memory. AMD boost algorithms were a shit show. No one gets a pass. No faboyism here. Let's hold every company to a higher standard.

[@wysetech2000]

@@Raisinlove334 The first thing is that we don't know how long Jay had been fighting with the problem before he decided to video it. The second thing is that people shouldn't have to dick around to have a useful computer to use. It should boot on defaults without hours of dicking around. There are hundreds of excuses for why Jay was having problems but it's not only Jay, it's many others too.

[@aimsucks364]

@@solomonshv Scroll down a bit moron, MSI replied a day ago.

[@7828191]

After updating the bios on my new (ASUS X470 Prime Pro, and 3600x) and booting into bios, it showed the same too high voltage setting for me. It did the same thing as well with the older bios that enabled 3000 series support. The only thing i had to do were to set the multiplier at 40 = 4.0 ghz and the voltages automatically set themselves to what they should have been from the start :). After that no problems.

[@shorne2159]

7828191 yep that’s typical amd always been same

[@STR33TSofJUST1C3]

@@shorne2159 Nope, board parters. AMD overshoots voltage on their GPU's I agree. But on their recent CPU's, it's the motherboard vendors that screwed up somewhere. I believe it was Buildzoid that pointed this out, where his Ryzen was getting different voltages on AUTO on different boards. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and AsRock simply screwed up somewhere and in some of their BIOS versions it gave the CPU too high voltages.

[@7828191]

@@shorne2159 Never had this problem before on my earlier AMD systems, like FX for example.

[@GeoteknikIndonesia]

Dude. I have same mobo as u, with 3600. I got to limit my voltage to 1.25 v , cuz the voltages spikes and easily reach 1.4v idle.

[@7828191]

Geoteknik Indonesia. Could perhaps have something to do with the motherboard version?. Mine is a version 1.3 from 2019

[@PlaCrown]

You say that crosshair 8 board was pumping too much voltage? Maybe that ln2 mode you had enabled in that video has something to do with that :D

[@zstation64]

Nope, does that for me totally standard too, no LN2 mode turned on.

[@PlaCrown]

@@zstation64 1.5V reading in Uefi is totally normal with zen2. Lot of people just seem little clueless about how they work.

[@goz4659]

Oh my god, this has been happening to me for a whole month with my 3700x. Wouldn't post, would restart, try CMOS clear...nothing worked. Then randomly it would post. It seems more stable now for whatever reason, but hopefully stabilisation bios updates will come asap from msi

[@Arnout1990]

If you ever needed to explain to someone what "backfiring" is, just show them this entire comment section.

[@turkepic3637]

Precisely.

[@jaynj908]

Not sure about MSI, but on Gigabyte (X470), I read the bios notes and there some steps I had to do before updating to the latest bios. And Yes my core voltage was @ 1.5v when the system booted. I did a load line calibration to bring the voltage down, but Hardware Unboxed did a video said that 1.5v is fine. I did not verify it yet about the votage if you are not happy you can turn it down. I do not know if you just went and downloaded and installed the latest bios or did you read thru any notes they may have had attached to the latest bios

[@EDARDO112]

I have instability issues with my Ryzen 3700X in my Asus motherboard after I updated the BIOS, turns out that it was a compatibility issue with Aura Sync and after I updated Aura Synch the computer run flawless. But it was a pain in the ass until I discovered, the sistem would just jam for no reason, I also have observed higher voltages than was needed when running stock, but the new BIOS update make things better (not perfect sadly). Still I think that AMD are making good processor right now.

[@InnovativeNationOfficial]

which mobo?

[@bassax7045]

the problem must be MSI , had the same with a new 9600k and MSI motherboard , computer quit after updating the bios and gave me only bluescreens after booting up . returned everything and got the new Ryzen 3600 with gigabyte motherboard and got free upgrade RTX 2060 to RTX 2070 . even with precision boost or slight overclock ,temps are very acceptable 70 - 74 degrees celcius. lighter use like browsing between 55 and 65 degrees according to ryzen master. Gigabyte firmware sucks too by the way ,but at least i can game and play AAA titles on ultra settings at widescreen 2560:1080 with ease and have a good time .

[@d1ctator648]

True Msi boards just have some problems with bios... Everyone complaining on reddit

[@josephgeubtner]

Mis = motherboards is shit

[@No-One.321]

Not sure why so many people are blaming Amd for a lot of these problems. If it was amd the problems would be happening across the board to every CPU and Mobo. But that's not case at all.

[@elesinalex]

Jay. It's current which kills the cpus, not voltage. On light loads with low current it's alright to see 1.5v, it's designed that way. On the bios problems - it's all on MSI

[@SPEXWISE]

I don't know much about this stuff but when Jay mentioned mouse lag in his MSI BIOS I have to share my experience. I have an older system that I can't afford to replace and it's still doing fine but my mouse would lag in the BIOS until I moved the mouse from USB 3 to USB 2 then everything was smooth.

[@Raivo_K]

I have a wireless mouse so could be that to tho it is 500Hz polling rate and fine in gaming. I think the mouse lag in UEFI BIOS's is just universal. Btw i did use USB 2.0 port for the mouse receiver. Maybe a wired mouse in 2.0 port would work better.

[@hackerish]

That motherboard only has usb2 headers for the case. No usb2 in the back. If hes case doesn't have usb2 ports than why should he get a usb2 header to back panel cable just for the bios? If thats the case MSI should have atleast put a usb2 port on the back for that.

[@SianaGearz]

There are actually a number device classes that have compatibility issues with USB3. Audio devices are an utter catastrophe in particular, but mice and keyboards too. It's a mess.

[@DrMorrie5468]

@@hackerish they have a fking ps/2 port at the back🙃maybe this will fix it?

[@green-garden-123]

I ran into similar cpu error led light on boot with my 3700X on MSI motherboard. We then boot with just single RAM stick at a time to find which RAM stick the CPU didn't like. After determine the bad RAM stick and replaced it, no more CPU error light. I know, the error led should say ram error but instead say cpu error. stupid bios.

[@SPACEGAMER231]

i am having the same issue with a i7 8700 and a gigabyte H310M A motherboard i am not having the voltage issue i am just having the random color screens and like 10 reboots before it post and i have replaced the motherboard.

[@JustQuan]

big balls pairing the I7 8700 with a super budget motherboard like H310M

[@SPACEGAMER231]

@@JustQuan i got a good deal on it at micro center

[@SerjStar]

ASRock makes shitty cheap boards no wonder they're unstable

[@JustQuan]

@@SPACEGAMER231 It won't be a good deal if the motherboard die in the future and you have to buy another one to replace it.

[@wysetech2000]

SPACEGAMER Try updating your GPU drivers from their website.

[@CoalitionGaming]

So many people using this to throw AMD under the bus for shoddy products when that really wasn't the point. I moved over from Intel to AMD for my 3900X build and am experiencing the funny voltage/temps behavior even with a custom loop but guess what...all my benchmarks, scores, fps, and performance numbers are right where they should be and temps aren't nowhere near "out of control" levels (50s C while gaming, 60s-70s while gaming + streaming using x264 encoder). Seen comments saying AMD is trash and constant issues and Intel is just "set it and forget it" but here I just "set it and forget it" on my 3900X + Gigabyte Aorus X570 elite and I haven't looked back. Best system I've ever built. New behaviors could use some tweaking sure, but AMD has been working on it and nothing is burning down in the meantime. My Xeon E5-1650v2 x79 machine did fantastic as well, just chugged along at a 4.5ghz OC and this has been equally as smooth of an experience for everything I use it for.

[@shaneeslick]

Steve at Gamers Nexus has said on many occasions so many people take information & twist it to suit their Narrative or persuasion, so many people have forgotten only a year ago the nVidia RTX Space Invader cards, Intel also have had Major problems with systems constantly crashing, even in comments on this video Brian Christmas says he has the same problem as Jay with his 8700K, According to all the Geniuses who say you shouldn't buy from AMD because there have been problems, when you apply that logic to any company Who do you buy from?

[@SecretSpye]

lol what a joke AMD has and always will be plagued with issues. Out of all the Customer builds i do in my spare time AMD has been the worst. Its not even worth spending the time getting the system to run correctly OOB. Even when Idle it runs hotter than Intel, IT ALWAYS WILL AND WILL ONLY GET WORSE. They have the worse design choices when it comes to their Processors. Any competent person who knows engineering talks about how shitty their CPU's are designed. They are made to be cheap not to last.. Lets see those same results after 6 months of heavy use. They will be guaranteed worse.

[@CoalitionGaming]

@@SecretSpye jeez dude. I feel really bad for your clients. It sounds like you need to find another line of work if those are the kind of issues you keep coming up with. Good luck.

[@shaneeslick]

@@SecretSpye So if you hate AMD builds so much why do you keep accepting the builds, You can say "No thanks, I don't do AMD' or give them a price for an Intel build of the same spec & say 'I'll build this but I don't do AMD' the worst that'll happen is you will sack yourself

[@luisangelini2220]

@@SecretSpye Now say it all again but this time without crying please. ;)

[@InvIdEoGaMeS]

I got b450 max and its audio jack is not working,everyone from local shops to online help failed to solve the problem but in MSI service centre it's working fine in their system ...I don't know what to do

[@nilsfrahm1323]

try with different jacks, like headphones, some jacks are slightly thinner and don't make good contact. Try some jack extension cord, it may have better jack.

[@InvIdEoGaMeS]

@@nilsfrahm1323 it was monitor issue(I had to use vga -hdmi converter),I was using old monitor which was not able to run sound drivers

[@TheDirtyBirchTrails]

I must be pretty lucky cause I've had all 3 system he speaks about1700, 2700x and 3700x. All overclocked on all cores and have never had any issues at all. Current system is 3700x running at 4.2GHZ on all cores with 3200 memory and no issues. Mobo is MSI X370 SLI PLUS.

[@chrcoluk]

your board could be faulty. When I built my 8600k, which uses an asrock z370 k6 fatality board, it was only posting properly "sometimes" , was confirmed as ram issue, but asrock said it could be either board, cpu IMC or the ram. I ruled out the ram by trying a different set, and brought a duplicate board. When I tested the duplicate board bam it was fixed. In my case tho the problem exhibited itself from when I started tested it, not only after a bios update, but I think you do need to confirm this with hardware swapout's, test with either new cpu or board. I know it sucks rebuilding, but thats what you would have to do to confirm your thoughts in it been a bios bug.

[@jean3030]

But AMD bad REEEeeee

[@hunterkiller4578]

@UCS5xZNJ5Qc9chKKFnRpoU8g no that replacement was also pre production board .

[@marvinracer88]

Yes, his board is faulty, just as so many others from the same manufacturer. A friend and I bought the same MSI board, my friend's worked perfectly, mine was dead, just as jay's just as many people.

[@shaneeslick]

what chrcoluk you had a problem with Intel, But they NEVER have problems!, But seriously it can happen to anyone with any brand, & the problems can be really mind blowing, like the one I have been trying to solve for a week in build's I'm doing for my Nieces as Christmas presents, I have 3 Dell's 2 with i3-3220 & 1 with a i5-3470, I bought a i7-3770, I put it in one of the i3 pcs & nothing wouldn't even let me get to BIOS just Boot Loop (shit myself thinking I'd got ripped off 😱) but works fine in the other i3 with same Bios & the i5 as well with a different Dell M/B, also swapped the Ram & H/D in the i3s & makes no difference just wont work in that one, but the i5 does, So new even more stressful problem of who gets the i7 if i buy another i5, or who gets the i5 if I buy another i7? 😧😧😧😧😧 Good to hear your prob got solved, hope you have a long happy future with you PC 😁

[@broken1965]

His board is probably craped ive here msi an Asrock have had bad boards released

[@Ground2Hog]

After watching this I've noticed Jay completely ignored AMD's statement on CPU voltage and why it's reporting high, which is completely normal by the way, and drops when running a benchmark. All in all this doesn't have much to do with AMD, the blame here is mostly on MSI.

[@gustavoalmeida9628]

I have a Strix b350 f with Ryzen 3900x and never gave me some problem. it's working perfectly.

[@florian_spdl]

Gotta say though, that VRM is not really suitable for a 3900X :D

[@themadnes5413]

Nice to hear, i have a strix x370 f, and was planning to upgrade to a 3900x too, currently im on the 1700x.

[@reichenwald-gm4qd]

Yeah but you aren't using a pre-production mainboard like he is and didn't state

[@HMarcBower]

from user/AMD_Robert: Q: WHAT VOLTAGE IS SAFE? A: The one the CPU picks on its own. The firmware is actively monitoring and managing more chip health data than you can possibly imagine or digest--every second--to ensure performance is being reliably maximized for n cores under load at y temperature for x time. Stepping in to fix a static vcore, because you "feel" something about what the CPU is doing on its own, or you misread what someone said on the internet, won't help you. It will likely subtract performance (reduced Vmax = reduced perf), and it will likely raise the average voltage the chip experiences over a 24H period vs. what it will self-manage to on its own accord (you've disabled idle voltages). If the purpose of setting a manual vcore was to reduce voltage, you missed: you actually just raised the average voltage. Also he comments on the problems with monitoring software and recommends using Ryzen Master to monitor (though he did say CPUID should be fine, too, which is what you're using). As well, he suggested instead of AUTO for voltage set it to NORMAL (if that setting exists) in the BIOS. Sounds like your issue is with MSI for the BIOS foolishness. It actually goes to code Ad (Boot Ready) and then 5-10 seconds later gets the purported CPU error without an actual code to back it up. Were it me, I'd reseat the CPU.

[@oppaibuffs5265]

Usual Jay. Blaming AMD for mobo vendor issues. Sometimes you want to punch them vendors especialy when you look at apu laptop single channel configurations.

[@reichenwald-gm4qd]

Especially because it's a pre-production mainboard

[@NovaDoll]

This makes people think oh I shouldn't buy AMD. When its clearly a motherboard vendor issue.

[@JABelms]

@@NovaDoll AMD should communicate better with their mobo manufacturers for that shit. I mean they had miscommunication issues with MSI and ASUS is livid with AMD.

[@NovaDoll]

Jan Arven Belmes Are you talking about Asus screw 5700 problem. That was an ASUS issue. Also MSI cheaped out on their parts. Why was all the other board partners not having shorty vrms except them. It’s a partner issue not AMD.

[@ogmark2071]

Okay, so I know this video is like a year old, but watching you try to keep it together, man, I'm way past that right now. 04/05/21 I finally was able to buy all the parts I needed to make a supposed killer system for Blender as well as lots of fun gaming. Just now got everything all nice and put together and....... WHAT THE FLIP!!! Awesome colorful lights, real quiet, nice little system, to bad it never boots. You just see the little red light on for the CPU meaning something is up. Ryzen 9 3900x Gigabyte Aorus Ultra X570 Two sticks 16gb x 2 Corsair Vengeance RAM Older Nvidia graphics cards, will get a good one when I can afford one Tried everything under the sun. Called Gigabyte and attempted to get some help, but yikes, felt like I was talking to a wall or something. Tried to do the BIOS update but nothing seems to happen. No blinking light or anything. Just dreading being forced to send EVERYTHING BACK cuz who knows which part or what is the problem. Just wanna go to sleep and wake up like none of this ever happened. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... ogmark34

[@SmokinGoodd420]

Hey JayzTwoCentz , Corsair does have something called hardware lighting and it boots up before post with any color or effect that corsair supports . I use it along with my RGB fusion software

[@GigglesYeahMan]

I was gonna mention this earlier haha. I use Vengeance Pro RGB RAM and 3 LL120s, although RAM does not have Hardware Lighting though.

[@ryguy3687]

Nvm! Just found out how to do it now lmao, It was labeled under something else. How would I do that exactly? I'm in my ICUE I dont see a hardware library option for my lighting effects.

[@GigglesYeahMan]

@@ryguy3687 Nice job on finding it btw, took me 2 months to figure out how to enable hardware lighting.

[@lashyndragon]

Try using the Q-flash (or whatever MSI calls it). For whatever reason that worked for me, but M-Flash GUI didn't work.... I dunno 🤷‍♂️

[@stefandalpiaz8616]

@JayzTwoCents iCue pins the CPU Voltage at maximum, i changed my energyplan to energysaving in windows and the CPU is at 1V in idle, when i open icue its instantly on 1,46or so

[@shadowarez1337]

I don't this issue with Intel i9 7980xe I have 2 corsair commander pros just to manage the fans in corsair 1000D.

[@stefandalpiaz8616]

@@shadowarez1337 it's only on x570 and ryzen3000 series, icue isn't updated for the new generation and also doesnt show cpu temps

[@shadowarez1337]

Oh I see hopefully that gets fixed was looking into building a nice emulation rig with it since I can control all fans with icue. Looking at ryzen 4000 series cpus

[@Crion629]

The latest AGESA version 1.0.0.3 ABBA should fix it for you. It did for me.

[@Gnawde]

@@shadowarez1337 you mean Ryzen 3000 cpu lol

[@Kojiro3210]

They send you a replacement for your broken pre-production board yet? :3

[@matijavodeb7216]

No issue with 3900x on ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Formula x570 with new BIOS update. Degrees are also fine with nzxt x72. 62 degrees max under fullload. The only VID Core is the same as you Jay. They are not the same as CPU voltage. Works very nicely i am very pleased :) . My voltage is 1.1500.

[@646464mario]

That’s good to hear since I got the VIII Formula. Now I’m just waiting for the 3950X.

[@thatnerdgui3496]

You can probably set a negative offset ov 50mV and don't loose any performance, maybe even gain. Asus increased the Vcore since a the support for newer bios released to a point that I had to set a negative offset of ~80mV on my 2700X with 0 performance drop. My performance actually increased a bit since the temps dropped 3-5 °C.

[@rbtoca]

MSI screwed the X570 boards... they are the ones with the worst VRM's and temps reaching more than 90° in the field (not in the case lol). Try Gigabyte motherboards and you shouldn't have issues.

[@tstecpt]

The MSi X470 boards were great but the X570 is complete garbage

[@FatherLamb]

Wanna know something odd? These bios issues are MOSTLY 90% related to high end model boards. lol That's the funny thing. You can legit drop a new chip, and a single update into a low tier board and bam, NO ISSUES! I've seen it too much.

[@yurijai9801]

Proof?

[@Ehren1337]

@@yurijai9801 just dont buy x570 yet.

[@TriWaZe]

Ya had issues with my 3900x on my msi x470. Worked for 3 days then wouldnt post. Had to get a brand new cpu. Afraid to even try it and have it die again.

[@FatherLamb]

@@ferinfox the 4xx and 5xx are the ones with these issues the most. Trust me.. Proof is EVERY WHERE.

[@kn6514]

I had the cold boot issue with an MSI B450 board. Replaced with an ASRock x570. Now it boots every time and very fast. Cheap MSI boards are not handling this release well.

[@aliensaxophone]

And now we are awaiting Zen 3 5000 series... hope less issues will be the first AMD build for myself (2 friend builds hereby exluded)

[@Dozer-Raceing]

Sry Jay, got 3 different Amd systems on msi and Asus boards and have never had any problems like this.

[@privatesu577]

My 3900x died from high voltage with out of box settings. Stop shilling for AMD.

[@solomonshv]

grats' we'll give you a medal.

[@turkepic3637]

@@privatesu577 the guy said I had no problem. You should stop lying instead.

[@billnault1379]

Bully for you!

[@sacleocheaterz]

@@privatesu577 And in what way can you prove that? Sure, your 3900x might have died but what proof do you have that the out-of-box voltage caused it?

[@guitarprogrock]

I updated my bios on my ASUS Tuf Gaming X570 Plus WIFI and it fixed my boosting issues. My Ryzen 5 3600 is supposed to boost to 4200 MHz. But my top boost was 4150 MHz. After installing the ABBA BIOS update at least 2 cores are boosting to 4218 MHz, but I also noticed the vcore voltages hitting 1.5 volts from time to time. The Bus Clock was also running at 99.8 MHz. I set the manually set it to 100 MHz, and set the vcore voltage to 1.38 volts. Everything seems to be okay now. Max temps are 67 C after running Prime 95 for 30 minutes.

[@Omar-jt2bw]

guitarprogrock im getting same hardware do you recommend it ? Any hidden issues

[@starlightHT]

Shame experience on Asus tuf 450(R3600)... I set the manually 4.1 Ghz all cores 1.28V :) on stock 1.40+ volt

[@guitarprogrock]

@@Omar-jt2bw The Ryzen 5 3600 is an awesome CPU for the price. I highly recommend it. Also the ASUS Tuf Gaming X570 Plus motherboard is also very good. Well worth $200 usd. I combined them with a MSI Gaming X 1660 ti. The only game I'm currently playing is Minecraft, but on a 3440 x 1440 @ 120 Hz ultra wide monitor I'm getting 750 to 800 fps.

[@guitarprogrock]

@@starlightHT Awesome. I currently have my 3600 running at 4250 MHz and my cl 16 3200 Mhz ram running at cl 14 3400 Mhz

[@mikezero1282]

14:36 "Magenta Screen of Death!" *Phil Dies* BAHAHAHAHHahahahhahahaa

[@BLAGGER26]

I had that awhile ago 3700x

[@justachance2493]

I've actually had that several times before. Half the time it was GPU issue, other times... IDK? Gotta love it

[@CompatibilityMadness]

@@justachance2493 I had it when my NV driver reinstalled/updated. Basic 3D Vision mode (for that OLD anaglyph blue/red glasses), was enabled. Because... reasons (?) (never ever touched this setting on current OS).

[@mikezero1282]

Phil need more screentime! He is a rockstar

[@sw33tlou78]

I installed ABBA just fine on my x570 Aorus Master and 3900x. My system is more stable and overclocking better than ever now. Also my iCue settings stay even from a cold boot. You have a unique problem IMO. Is your Meg a retail board or one that was sent to you from MSI?

[@Gangsta06001]

i built a PC for a buddy which contains a MSI X470 Gaming Plus (bios updated ofc) and an AMD 3700x, zero bios issues from first day even a little bit overclocked. but temps were a problem at the first day when i did some stress tests.

[@eternalfear88]

Literally just upgrade to a 2700x from a fx 8350 a week ago. But the kicker is, I had the same problem. Power to the whole system, but no POST. I ended up having to send the processor to AMD and wait 2 weeks to be sent a replacement. Changed my board from a gigabyte to an ASUS prime b-450 and sent the first one back because I figured the processor being bad would be the last thing.

[@802Garage]

Same exact upgrade path I will be taking and same board I was looking at!

[@DBHHellhound]

Probably is the board

[@HugeHeadedGaming]

I never go msi or gigabyte for motherboards, only ever had issues and poor customer service. Asrock and Asus only for me. I'll happily pay £30 extra for a solid board over one that brakes when you do anything in the bios, regardless of it being an Intel or AMD cpu.

[@wallywest2360]

I'm contemplating a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite, but in general I agree with you. Had nothing but issues with Gigabyte boards in the past, although I was buying super cheap low end boards. Then I got an ASRock Fatal1ty board for my i5-2500k and it has been rock solid. I would say regardless of brand stay away from the cheap stuff. But then Jay's Godlike is the top end and still giving him grief. You roll the dice with every purchase.

[@LoopKoop6778]

I still have a few gigabyte boards here that need bios chips just not worth fixing

[@backlogbuddies]

Or one that just falls apart. Never buying msi again

[@FlyffDeveloper]

@@wallywest2360 Aorus line is completely different and of higher standard then normal gigabyte motherboards. I have the master x570 but many who have elite love it and report no problems

[@EXACTLYInstrumentals]

I work for IT and me and my coworkers spent about half a day trying to fix this computer that wouldn't boot... Ended up being the displayport cable.

[@calilife8803]

What was wrong with the cable?

[@jayr55555]

I updated my bios on my Asus x570 Crosshair viii and it also bricked my motherboard.

[@Supermanohman]

Any advice for a new 3600 owner?

[@NetworkNinja84]

Learn to update bios. How can you brick your board when that shit has flashback button lol. Learn to use it. There is no such thing as updating bios and you bricked your system unless you don't know how to flashback.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

@@NetworkNinja84 - The latest BIOS constantly cause random crashes on my 3700x/ASUS X570 Strix mobo. So there are major issues with it. I rolled back and no more crashes. Maybe this dude is new to PC building but he is most likely having unacceptable issues.

[@bodz9408]

PC PAYLOAD i just updated the latest bios update in my x570 aorus elite wifi/3700x not a single problem

[@TheSaxAppeal]

@@NetworkNinja84 who gives a shit? The fact of the matter is that users shouldn't be experiencing this problem in the first place. It's unacceptable no matter how hard you hammer home the point of bios flashback

[@tyren818]

You dont use hwmonitor with ryzen, it doesnt give correct readings, surprised as someone who does reviews for a living doesnt know that? It's on every forum.

[@ee1yd]

ikr lol

[@gabagoul93]

Looked it up not sure where your getting your info. HWmonitor works for amd perfectly fine

[@Jayztwocents]

I literally compared them to Ryzen Master and they are the same. HWMonitor literally updated to support Ryzen. Get your facts straight

[@SheenUser]

This happened to me two days ago. Thanks it’s nice to know that someone else has the same exact problem as me. God I replaced everything thinking It would help. Ahhh!

[@whiskeymike7364]

Very disappointed in you, with this video. This is a childish rant. I love your approach to water cooling, case mods, even simple ones, your zany cooling approaches, etc. But this is just wrong. Go buy a board, not some early production trash (I use the Aorus Xtreme x570 but you do you) and I doubt you will have the problems you are seeing. I have a fraction of your knowledge, and I am getting 4.5GHz plus on 6 of 8 cores on my 3800X (would love to know why two are laggards but that is why I watch every one of your videos; to learn). Base settings, XMP, and set the DRAM to 1.35V. That"s IT. Okay, I cheated a little and bought the 3800X from Silicon Lottery. I CAN (and have) screwed it up trying to do fancy DRAM timings. Thank God i can reset the bios trivially. I am sorry you are frustrated. AND the first bios's were NOT solid gold, you are right there. But Nothing like the mess you are going through. I recommend a soft chair and glasses of Patron until it doesn't hurt any more. BIG glasses. Not going to unsub, just get a good mother board. Sir.

[@marvinracer88]

I'm no tech tuber, I'm not from the press, my board came from amazon and I had the same issue, so no, solution is not "getting a good motherboard from retail". Many people complained about MSI, incluiding myself, here, on reddit, and on amazon's reviews. Theres something WRONG with MSI boards and their bios.

[@whiskeymike7364]

@Bitcoin4Life the spec for the DRAM IS 1.35 gah

[@whiskeymike7364]

@Bitcoin4Life Thanks for the input though. I did try it at 1.2, and it bitched.

[@pXiusZA]

Similar issues on my wife's 3600 system with an MSI B450 Mortar. Sometimes I have to clear CMOS 3 times to get into the bios.

[@godded]

I don't get it. I have a R5 3600 build with a B450M Mortar Titanium. Been using it for 2 months with BIOS versions 7B89vA7, 7B89vA8, and 7B89vA9 with no issues whatsoever on any of them.

[@marvinracer88]

Same issue with my msi b450 tomahawk and same processor. This is BS.

[@Nsixtyfourlink]

"1.5v is ridiculous! " *looks at my 955BE at 1.6v on water*

[@ayuchanayuko]

Better be running thatvpast 3.7GHz. I didnt have to run my 965BE that high though

[@sudabadri7051]

Me just gathering parts to do an AMD build and i see this hahaha

[@Baniq1986]

me too, I haven't ordered anything yet but I was all in on an AMD R5 3600 and an RX 5700 maybe I should look into an Intel + Nvidia build as the safer option

[@mindthreatx]

Do not let this video deter you, the CPUs are badass.

[@HuskyTech891]

I'm enjoying my 3700x and 5700xt very much on my B350 board from first gen Ryzen. No issues at all! I wouldn't let this change your mind. Issues like this can happen no matter the configuration.

[@Sup_711]

@@Baniq1986 The 3600 is a lower power chip. I belive this is not as big of an issue with the 3600 and 3600x.

[@Fry-lx6bk]

I’m enjoying perfect goodness with my 2700x and 5700xt with a gigabyte x570

[@shado2us]

My first MSI mobo had an issue with the PCI/E x16 main slot was bad to the fact that no card would work in that slot!!! I had sent it out and got a replacement mobo. Thank you Best Buy!!!

[@secondsystems3479]

Seeing how this video turned out, It's really critical that you think through what you put out as content. Thoroughly go through everything before putting it out there. Lesson learned here.

[@ThatRastaGuy]

What? What on earth are you talking about, he paid money for a product, took the time to build it and even had the patience to try troubleshoot. Why should the regular consumer go through that? What do you swear by MSI or something? Does your system work fine? That doesn't mean this issue isn't a huge problem that exists and should be highlighted. You should take your own advice really hating on a guy who's trying to highlight an massive issue with a product.

[@Arachija]

MSI has been especially terrible this AMD launch. I had nothing but problems with them so I switched to Gigabyte and no problems since.

[@hleyuan]

You haven’t explained the preproduction board vs retail yet.

[@kost.9423]

And he would not.

[@commanderkeen9666]

i had similar issues with ryzen3000 and msi b450 board, reddit/r/msi_gaming was full of it, but youtube-reviewers didn't mention any of it. Glad to see you address this ridiculous BIOS mess. I don't want to know how many people bought components for > 1k ending up with a rig that wont post. horrible.

[@anthonytech]

Jay...fanboyism has nothing to do with it...you clearly didn't research the voltage "issue"

[@N0N0111]

When Jay attacks the FIRE NATION. He didn't attack it properly...

[@akshatdabas9547]

Oh you watch ac to nice to see the ac family here : )

[@N0N0111]

@@akshatdabas9547 Haha, you think it was reference to the ac family?

[@Rip-Van-Tinkle]

TBF, after the ABBA update, I have next to nothing to complain about with my 3900x and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master... I think you may have a bad board.

[@marcinandrzej1261]

CPU need 100W. So at 1.5V we need current of 67A. When we operate at 1.2V we need current of 84A. This is big difference. Boot problem is always with MSI motherboards. The same problems I had with Gigabyte 1151 and MSI 1151. So who is guilty ?

[@hjge1012]

How are these issues connected to the temps and voltages though? The whole 1.5v thing has been explained to death already on countless of other channels and according to AMD it's fine. It just pumps 1.5V into a single core, then clocks it down again. The fact that it shows 1.5V on multiple cores at the same time, is a tool measuring error. Temps overall (especially under load) honestly don't seem that bad to begin with. The problem I see, is high spot heat, due to high voltages on a single core. So on stock settings, fans keep revving up and down -- which is real fking annoying. But again, I don't see how your issues here are related to the voltage and temp. In fact, you yourself show in this video that they are most likely completely unrelated. It might even be defective hardware to begin with. I for one wouldn't so easily just point at the BIOS and rant.

[@floorpizza8074]

Completely agree. One thing I would add, however, is that MSI's BIOS's really are crap. I'm running the MSI X570 MEG ACE, which is one board down from Jay's. And I can tell you, that I completely agree with Jay's assessment of MSI's BIOS team, "they suck donkey balls."

[@animarkzero]

I have the MSI B450 Tomahawk and it has a similar problem. It needs quite a time to detect the ryzen 3600.... MSI screwed up their Bioses this time around😞

[@floorpizza8074]

@@animarkzero Unfortunately, it's become a recurring theme with MSI. They have fantastic hardware, but their BIOS's and other software is complete trash.

[@happyraider815]

he is a man child. go check reddit post about him. apparently hes been like this for 3 years. haha they say he thinks of himself as hollywood level celebrity so he is whiny like them haha

[@Streetbikerider83]

he posted a new vid and it was the bios. its because it was a pre preduction board and the new bios brick them. so he was right it was the bios. but not what he thought. they never told him it was a pre-preduction board. in fact i dont even think msi knew it would brick the pre-preduction boards.

[@braccali]

Dude check the dram voltage at boot, It's probably not high enough. That's on msi and their defaults

[@maxview99]

Everything just works. Oh wait...wrong product

[@HackAttackx10]

Blames AMD Cpu, Mobo is to blame.....

[@Dokken2x]

Exactly!!!!

[@reichenwald-gm4qd]

Jay is to blame. Because he didn't say it's a pre-production

[@jaegren553]

He's a Intel fanboi. What did you expect? ;)

[@HackAttackx10]

John Sjöström I don’t believe he is. I just think he got mad that it was broken and rather than reach out he wanted to vent about something that he was wrong about.

[@HackAttackx10]

Gladdic Saddic oh you’re right I didn’t watch the video at allllll I didn’t even read the reddit post

[@Juuls04]

Actually icue has an start up setting its called hardware lightning

[@sturmer3616]

Should the title be: MSI still has a long way to go....

[@jafizzle95]

My only funky issue is that my AMD CPU won't stop playing Funk music at 2am.

[@cootason]

I have an MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC running with the 3900X which has been running really well it used to have the 2700X in it before upgrading. I skipped going X570 as I spent enough getting this one. having a lot less issues since upgrading to the 3900X tbh as it performs so well with most the tasks. I did a one off CB test at 4.4ghz all core oc which ran ok but switched it back to stock and left it there. I believe I have the ram running fairly stable as well. I hope your board issues get sorted mate as I am quite pleased with the CPU. has been a dream to game with as well.