AMD R7 3700X & R5 3600 in 2024 Revisit: Benchmarks vs. 7800X3D, 5700X3D, & More

[@GamersNexus]

AMD has delayed its Zen 5 / Ryzen 9000 series CPUs. We filmed this before that announcement, but you can learn about the news in yesterday's video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIm1qYqjbt5mh7M Which CPUs should we add to these charts? Intel is pushing a microcode update in "mid-August," so we'll also be testing that when it posts: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfHnn5niqytfdU

[@guygivan2030]

i love your videos i always know that you guys will do things properly and are not biased, thanks steve!

[@dethskullcrusher]

It'be nice to see the 12700K on the charts for the 9000 Ryzen comparison! Thanks Steve!

[@tecktonalex]

what about 5700?

[@AdmireFiestaGuild]

Wait til the Intel Update is out. Noone benefits from theoretical benchmarks. This it not to make intel look bad, its to show the actual current performance!

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

stop using ddr4 bdie, its inflating the numbers. almost no one has bdie or knows its advantage. because you dont talk about it. nor do the other big channels. but you seem to know about it regardless because you ALWAYS use it in benchmarks lol to inflate numbers. people have to be wondering why their framerates are like 20% less.

[@GewelReal]

Steve couldn't handle the lack of content because of Ryzen 9000 delay so he made his own content

[@GamersNexus]

hahaha, we put all this work in for launch and we were like, well, might as well do something with it!

[@richardjackson8072]

I'm grateful.

[@HanSolo__]

Steve couldn't handle so many thanks.

[@geeeeeeeee787]

August 15th they can use the same charts, cut the bottom and add the new chips to the top

[@SAFFY7411]

@@GamersNexus lol

[@stevenconn826]

As a 3600 owner that looks at 5800x3d's daily I really appreciate this revisit!!

[@HerbaMachina]

You will not regret the 5800x3D, I picked up one and everytime a new performance comparison comes out I keep being vindicated in my purchase choice as it still trades blows with the 7800x3D depending on the game as well as the 13900k and 14900k

[@OptimusToaster]

I picked up a 5700x3d from aliexpress for £130 a week ago, brilliant value for money

[@Teh_Monk]

5800X3D stock is dwindling of late. Maybe find a spot on your gaming room shelf and throw your 3600 up there. You can see it and reminisce about/thank it for its faithful service while enjoying the upgrade.

[@VesiustheBoneCruncher]

I switched out my 3600 for a 5600. I was getting cases where the 3600 was just slightly struggling with my workload which isn’t just gaming. I still have no plans to upgrade the 5600, mainly because of the ball ache I know awaits with software authorisation. I’m also in no hurry to move off AM4, my system feels completely rock solid, and that is very appealing.

[@nekesel]

@@HerbaMachina Same here from 3600 to 5800x3d. Thing is great and basically means I don't need to upgrade from AM4 until whatever they come out with to replace AM5.

[@SalemTechsperts]

How I felt about my CPU before watching this video: 👶 How I feel now knowing it's already been 5 years: 👴

[@aidenwalsh7903]

It's The Greatest Technician Who's Ever Lived

[@Chromazene]

I read this with "i was only temporary" by my head is empty playing in the background. Very fitting track for your statement XD

[@smallbutdeadly931]

better pay a visit to The Gooch Collector

[@shawnpitman876]

You're pairing one of these underpowered CPUs with a 4090...? Wow you really don't have any idea how to spend money.

[@jamegumb7298]

How I felt building my 1st pc, a legit 486/DX2, vs how I feel now.

[@Kelekona_808]

Most important idea is that you don't need to upgrade if you're not having any problems with what you're already doing.

[@anshuvorty]

Yup. I am still on a Intel 9900K + RTX 3090 setup and no problems.

[@BugThorn]

​@@anshuvortymy TV-Pc has r7 2700 + 5700xt + 32g ram and is working perfectly fine, 4k on medium for most games 50fps+ without problems.

[@snakeace0]

@@anshuvorty Thats because its a 4 year old top of the line system. Those should last you at least 6 years.

[@warzIbanez]

I'm going to do an upgrade only because I want to use my existing cpu for a small server. I'll be keeping an eye on a good price for a 5800x3d.

[@Nords_e87_130i]

Thats the thing, just because there is better and more recent stuff out there, your older stuff is not bad because of that. A lot of people get drawn into the thinking that they always need the new shiny stuff, in quite a lot of cases that is not true. Of course if someone has the money and likes to be on top with technology, that is one thing, just upgrading for the sake of it is more like burning money. Still have AM4 3700X 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16 and a 2080ti on 144Hz 1440p and I am still fine with it. Want to go to more VR gaming and for that performance is not really sufficient. Because of that I am looking at used 3080ti and 5800X3D or maybe 5700X3D since that is almost half the price with only minor performance reduction. I still dont see the point for me to go to AM5 yet cause I wont buy the soon available ridiculously overpriced NVIDIA 5000 Gen GPUs that need PCIe5 so I am happy with AM4 PCIe4. EDIT: I like to keep cost and loss of value down with hardware, therefore buying used and usually stay 1-3 generations behind, depending on if the performance is sufficient for what I like to do with it. Really easy to burn a lot of money with PC hardware. Especially if gaming is not the only hobby (Cars, driving on Nordschleife and other race tracks, Mountainbiking, Festivals, Concerts...)

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

2019 feels like a different world. The 2020s have been harsh, in many ways. I went for the 9700K over the 3700X back then. Faster but doesn’t have the option to do an in socket upgrade. I see that the 3700X has gone up for sale new again at least here. The 3100 as well. 3600 has been on sale for a long time here new. It’s quite amazing how they still sell Zen2 new.

[@christopherwood2290]

Covid really did a lot of lasting damage. Inflation, gouging has become the new normal.

[@jdowls9538]

As someone who also went 9700k over 3700X, I've been kicking myself for those 5 years with no upgrade path (9900 isnt worth an upgrade from a 9700), watching Intel change sockets every 2 years and AM4 still going strong. If I could, Id go back in time and slap myself for choosing Intel over AMD.

[@sparda9060]

@@jdowls9538 you can swap now for cheap to AM4 platform, cheap B550 mobos $90 and 5700X3D cpu is only $200 and 32 GB of DDR4 ram $53 is dirt cheap too. Upgrade to good gaming platform for less than $350 USD which is insane.

[@ctt82]

5800X3D looking like GOAT CPU upgrade. It is insane how well it performs even today with best in class GPU.

[@ctt82]

@@Fin1nishingMove you are watching the wrong video then, the chip is among the top performers with 4090.

[@aweskr]

@@Fin1nishingMove stop the cap

[@riverroadracing]

Still running one on an x570 Dark Hero, loving it! 32GB ddr4-3600 but it's not binned unfortunately. Adjusted timings and it runs well with the PowerColor 7800xt Red Devil LE.

[@aquifer98]

@@ctt82 in my experience it bottlenecks a 7900XTX. how I know? I upgraded my cpu to a Ryzen 7800x3D from the Ryzen 7 5800x3D and my fps increased by around 40-100fps with the same 7900XTX GPU.

[@svenyproud]

⁠@@aquifer98lol but your 7900XTX is being bottlenecked by your wallet also in not grabbing a 4090. every card/cpu is going to get bottlenecked eventually. The 5800x3D is good for a 4080/7900XTX, obviously the 7800x3D is better.

[@t1e6x12]

Got my R5 3600 2 days post launch at Microcenter with an X570 for $105!!! (those were the days). Both are still going strong :)

[@GamersNexus]

That is an absolutely insane price. Nicely done.

[@pavelstoikov3780]

r5 2600 ax370 mobo still working 👌👌

[@allmybasketsinoneegg]

My own 3600 is still going strong as well. Overclocked to 4.4 all core at 1.25v set (1.208v get during cbr23). Also doesn't skip a beat. Hasn't degraded or blown up. Still more cpu than I need. Though machine could use a gpu update.

[@nekesel]

Yep 3600 is great. I finally upgraded and the 3600 went to my brother to continue on like a beast for years to come.

[@martinhami3]

@@allmybasketsinoneegg Same. Running that, 32GB ram and a EVGA 1650 Super. May need a new GPU since I ran out of GPU memory the other day in Resolve. But since I'm in Linux probably AMD is better? But that would be my first AMD card so not sure...

[@nunomtfv]

Still rocking an R5 3600. Thank you for the updated comparison and data (and for everything over the years).

[@blaziken38]

holy! i'm still rocking a R7 3700X on a X570 board with a 2070Super and still going strong.

[@mxdev6387]

Same setup here, except running a 5700xt graphics instead. Think I'm going to sit on the fence a bit longer and go for a full upgrade when the time comes.

[@fergus247]

This advice with not splurging on a graphics card or CPU because next year a better one will be out was always bad?

[@mxdev6387]

​@@fergus247 Eventually you need to upgrade, but the longer you hold out, generally the better equipment you will get.

[@countmorbid3187]

Went from 3600 to 5800X3D with a EVGA 2060 KO. Will eventually go for a new (AMD) gpu.

[@ninja.saywhat]

me too same cpu and mobo but i upgraded my gpu back in december 2022 from 5700xt to 7900xt 😎

[@exzodius_2578]

Crazy its been 5 years already, been running my 3700x since 2019 awesome to see comparisons

[@StarmenRock]

same, definitely grabbing the 5700x3D as soon as i can. 50% performance bump on average on an already strong chip is insane for such a cheap and simple upgrade

[@tim3172]

Are you planning on doing 14900K revisits in ~2026, or will they all be dead by then?

[@Zapdos0145]

can’t wait for the 12900k revisit when it’s the last remaining intel processor that survives

[@GamersNexus]

Ooooof

[@Skobeloff...]

Would really love to know how the 13 and 14 series laptop cpu's are affected

[@ventyll1897]

@@GamersNexus Look what you've done, Master of disinformation.

[@HunterTracks]

@@Skobeloff... Same issues, but Intel is claiming that the cause is different somehow.

[@andydbedford]

I just built a system for a ten year old birthday with a 3600 and a 2060 super and he is over the moon for his first pc. Thanks Steve ❤

[@noscopesallowed8128]

Nice. Even today that's one hell of a PC to start off with, especially at 10 years old. My first computer had a GT 730M and I was happy with it until I upgraded and realized what I was missing out on. A 2060 should do great

[@emiliovalencia1618]

You ruined him for life lol 😹😹

[@hyperactive1728]

this call ken computers? :D

[@ReptilianRichardRamirez]

That's a great first mid range gaming PC. Glad he's happy with it

[@someguy9520]

Used a 3600 and 3600X Built about 4 other PCs for friends and family with the 3600 All still going strong, no troubles.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

and will be going strong for many more years, people rarely change their use case of everyday computing habbits

[@Promis_QS_Panda]

I got my 5700X3D for 139 dollars from Ali Express and I never looked back. Best upgrade (from 3600) I made to my rig. It brough my little pc back to life, now i run a lot of games comfortably at Max Settings.

[@emiliovalencia1618]

How are chinese sellers on Ali Express able to sell them so cheaply?

[@JustMyFish]

Same here but I upgraded from a 5500 I will stick with this now and see how AM6 goes because AM5 is a no go for me to unstable for my liking.

[@dlm9709]

Running a 3900x and its still doing more than I need it to, happy for the long support for AM4 from AMD

[@EbonySaints]

Yeah, when I got a 3900X, that was the first time where I went, "What am I going to do with all these cores?" Like, I was converting 1080p videos to H265 at a decent speed and had enough processing power to run a few VMs and play (light) video games. I'm certain Windows and MacOS will prove me wrong eventually, but I can barely see a point for the average person to run >8 cores, as awesome as it is to just do whatever with no slowdown. I would probably start being productive out of guilt if I had a sixteen or twenty four core CPU, God forbid something like Threadripper.

[@jamesm568]

I have the 3900XT, but all I use it for now is word processing. I use the 5800X3D for my flight simulators now and patiently waiting for the 9800X3D to drop so I can move to the AM5 platform.

[@86FCS]

I got a 3900(65w model) golden sample, running undervoted and some PBO settings, its a killer CPU!

[@The_NJG]

I'm still on the R7 3700X, it's still a good processor, although I am getting ready to upgrade. 5000 series parts are really cheap but I'm wanting to go to AM5.

[@GamersNexus]

It's still powerful enough for most things!

[@ipadize]

saaame, but im waiting for the 9000 x3d series for my new build

[@The_NJG]

@@ipadize Yeah, I think I want to go to that for my next PC. My main thing is that I'm trying to get out of the Windows ecosystem and go to Linux for privacy reasons, but I'll run with this build until W10 is no longer supported.

[@devackroyd]

I held on to my 3700x from launch until late last year, the 5800x3D was definitely a worth while upgrade!

[@The_NJG]

@@devackroyd I do consider picking one up because I saw them for super cheap the other day. Might be something to tide me over until I'm ready for an AM5 rig.

[@organiccrack516]

AMD was having its CPUs reviewed one way or another

[@GamersNexus]

We didn't have the benchmarking party for nothing!

[@Fin1nishingMove]

Social Media influencing truly is AMD's expertise.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Fin1nishingMove Having seen your comments here and on Hardware Unboxed's videos I'm starting to get the idea that you're either off your meds, have a REALLY bad memory of the has transpired since 2016, or that you're a paid bot. AMD has managed to stick their foot in their mouth SO many times when it comes to handling public communication. "AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity" is literally a meme by now. The only reason AMD generally get some good-will by tech outlets is because AMD responds to crowd pressure, whereas Intel and Nvidia do not, by adjusting prices and practices after out-lash.

[@lordcorgi6481]

I still have my 1800x running overclocked since day 1 with 0 problems and still runs every game just fine 💪

[@Nullix]

I know this is a bottomplaced comment, but ur last advice about consuming-cycle was exactly what I needed. Thanks.

[@glorfindel2332]

Same here, I have the 3600 with an RTX 3060, and was thinking of getting the 5700x3d, but don't really have any gripes with the games I play. The one reason was that I was gonna save money staying on AM4, and fear that the 5700x3d won't be available in 2-4 years when I would maybe need the upgrade.

[@raphaeldube2507]

Got both of these in my personal rig and in a file server, thanks for the revisit! Hoping to get my hands on new parts soon

[@GamersNexus]

Both are still great! Which are you using for the file server? 3600 seems good for that.

[@raphaeldube2507]

@@GamersNexus that’s right! Mainly experimenting with stuff at the moment, got a Mellanox Connect-x3 and an *old* GT 710 for basic display. Right now it’s acting more like a NAS than anything else, I’ll try and see what I can run on it in the future!

[@DasGanon]

Actually have a 3700x in my server and this is perfect. Might eventually upgrade it but I've gotta do the "hand me down swap" with my main PC so I can have a CAD machine again (gave my old 4790K build I was using for that to friends for their first PC)

[@thebaffman4898]

Just upgraded my launch 3600 with a 5700x3D for just 220€ a few weeks ago. Couldn't be happier, the performance bump is massive.

[@GamersNexus]

That's a HUGE bump! Nice keeping the system alive too.

[@rockjianrock]

I also bumped from 3600 to 5700x3d jusf after launch & availability, but most of the games i play at my reso (UWQHD) doesn't return amazing FPS gains 😅

[@chunkyfen]

@@rockjianrock gotta upgrade that gpu :3

[@emiliovalencia1618]

Nice. I ordered mine last week from Amazon for $209 i should get it tomorrow. But I’m a little pissed that Ali Express has it for 25% less and I didnt know

[@zloycock]

Got my for 123$ from aliexpress ordered on june 2. 220€ is to mach for it.

[@Didymuss1]

Holy crap it's been five years? I suppose that's about seven since I got my first gen.

[@GamersNexus]

Felt the same way!

[@duramaxadventures5832]

Yeah.... Those IPC gains are crazy coming from first gen!

[@Didymuss1]

Indeed! I'm waiting out on the 9k X3D to upgrade (I'll wait and see, of course) but she is starting to struggle with new titles. Good thing I mostly play Noita or old games! Eventually the gaming industry will get good again and I really will be in trouble.

[@ALİcAN-b2v]

5700x3d is an excellent price performance processor, amd showed how much it cares about its customers by making this processor, bravo amd

[@benjaminlynch9958]

One of the great things about the R5 and R7 chips of that era was that they included coolers in the box. I know the 3700x didn’t get a glowing recommendation at launch because of the price, but the price came down quickly (got mine for $300 on Black Friday 2019, and I think that just became the new price ceiling for that part after the holidays) and also included the cooler. It was a great value and the chips were very capable. They’re still very playable even today as long as you’re not super serious or competitive in your gaming expectations.

[@donovanjames3729]

The ending point is always a great thought process.

[@Cruxgg]

My next upgrade is going to be driven by motherboard needs. I'll likely be upgrading the CPU solely for compatibility with a newer chipset, typically it's the other way around. Feel this might be the case for a lot of people for their next upgrade.

[@Xeonzs]

5800X3D still going strong like the GOAT it is, it will be the unicorn component like the 1080ti was.

[@ErukanuSenpai]

Totally agree, the 5800X3D is the best CPU AMD launched so far. It will age like a great wine 👌🍷

[@Nighterlev]

@@ErukanuSenpai 9800X3D will probably be the best upgrade path to go for people who want to get new systems off the 5800X3D 100%

[@ErukanuSenpai]

@@Nighterlev Who knows how long AMD will keep the AM5 socket going 4 Generations on AM4 , lets hope the same hold up for AM5🙏

[@emiliovalencia1618]

@Nighterlev i guess i got two mythical beasts with the 1080ti + 3600 and now I’m doing 5700X3D + nvidia 5080-5090 when it comes out. I feel lucky 🤪

[@emiliovalencia1618]

@Nighterlev the problem is that games are now the bottle neck past the 5800x3D. Even if you game at 4K. The diminishing returns / return of investment makes it a frivolous game. No value in it, IMO, at least until the console hardware refreshes push game development forward.

[@PersTG]

The R5 3600 will be in legend for many, many years. What a two punch K-O of a CPU for the time.

[@michaelbuto305]

still remember how 9400 goes into discount from 200-300 to below 90$ its crazy in my place. And people still go to AMD. That year is nuts

[@lucidnonsense942]

Especially when it got closer to 5k series and it was available for some ridiculously low prices. Paired with decent cheap b450 boards before mb manufacturers lost the plot... So many niblings got their computers built with 3600 + second hand 2070/80.

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

That was my first ever cpu I bought myself, it was a great deal and worked great until I got my 5800x

[@andersjjensen]

@@michaelbuto305 The 9400 and 9600(k) are struggling severely with modern games whereas the 3600 is still close to 60FPS AVG with tolerable 1% Lows, so yes, it was more expensive, but people on that platform are looking for 9700k or 9900k upgrades now which brings the total purchase to about the same....

[@MaxSvcks]

Nice, Im currently stuck on a R5 2600. Good to see what the newer options are :D

[@ArticSpy]

Got myself a 5800X3D in February this year, did not disappoint at all! Insane jump compared to my old 1700. 7 year old MSI X370 still rocking as well, love the AM4 platform!

[@virescenticious]

The uplift going from a 3700x to a 5700x3d in some games is insane...

[@Not_Sure-i6o]

But realistic GPU bound scenarios, there is basically no uplift whatsoever

[@coffee7180]

@@Not_Sure-i6o wtf are you talking? From 3700x to 5800x3d was a insane change in most games for me and my 4070 is able to push the frames far better with the 5800x3d. Battlefield 2042, Darktide and even cp2077 are running far better. If you like to play on over 120fps you need a good CPU to push does frames. Ray tracing makes CPU performance even more important.

[@Not_Sure-i6o]

@@coffee7180 I aim for 4k 100-120 (16:9 OLED), 3700x and 3080, mostly AAA single player. Haven't yet thought my cpu is holding me back. The odd 1% low, not sure if CPU related, or if the architecture of x3d would fare any better (also chiplets on IO die). If I could go back in time, I probably would have got a monolithic 6+ core chip, before the advent of those eco cores

[@s-x5373]

@@Not_Sure-i6o you are completly mixing chiplet design and efficient core design also there is no "chiplets on IO die" thing when you buy single ccd cpu, you basically have a monolithic cpu behavior, because everything is in a single stream, from cores to cache to ram, every cores are on a single die that's the case of 5600 5700 5800 cpus and their x3d variant too x3d variants simply stack more cache on the core ccd die, reducing latencies in most game critical process

[@davide4725]

@@Not_Sure-i6o Well duh, if you're GPU is bottlenecking, a new CPU isn't going to help.

[@Space_Reptile]

Would love to see all the "X600" chips side by side, from 1600 to 9600

[@MoultrieGeek]

You can do something similar on Passmark's website minus the 9600. Accord to them the 2600 (non X) is 6.9% over the 1600, the 3600 is 25.7% over the 2600, the 5600 is 17.7% over the 3600 and finally the 7600 is 20.5% over the 5600. From 1600 to 7600 the total uplift is 54.7%.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Friendly hint to check your math with the total performance increase with the individual percentages you’ve mentioned ;-)

[@EbonySaints]

​@@abavariannormiepleb9470My math is probably off, but the increase in performance from Zen 1 through 4 is ~90.7%. Looking at the single thread rating, that seems close enough.

[@GewelReal]

@@MoultrieGeek I think your math is very wrong when going from 1600 to 7600

[@Nighterlev]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470 All the numbers he provided are Passmark numbers which are 100% accurate.

[@LFPGaming]

i got a 3600 in early 2020 and it's still going strong. runs every game on the market at 2K/60fps (except denuvo games obviously), and it's great for rendering videos as well. very happy with the chip

[@aeaeaeaeoaeaeaeaeae]

Actually built my computer from used components, with the CPU being a 3700x. Words cannot describe how happy i am with this CPU, been an absolute beast for everything ive thrown at it and can even take a little overclock on the stock cooler. I feel like this 65w tdp is the sweet spot for efficiency, cooling, and performance

[@zarajoe1]

Bought an AM4 system right at the end of its life cycle banking on the system having many years of relevancy remaining. Glad to see there is a lot of performance left I can squeeze out of the platform before i need to upgrade. Think ill wait for AM6

[@nerathegunner]

Still rocking my 3600 in my media room PC, works great for everything I need and I'm very satisfied with my purchase.

[@GamersNexus]

Seems like a really common use for the 3600 to go into media center or file server PCs! Great to see the CPUs get more usable life.

[@Herr.Mitternacht]

3700X owner, solid CPU, no issues. Still working hard on my editing rig with a 3080.

[@facuyndcorvalan5797]

recently adquired a ryzen 7 3700x is strong processor today im very happy

[@f.9344]

its severely limiting my rtx3080 in new games

[@PreybirdMKII]

My little R5 3600 appreciates this revisit. It is still kicking goals and being awesome. Thanks Steve.

[@GTStevie]

My R5 3600 has been a champ for the last couple of years. Looking forward to upgrading to the 5700X3D, simple in socket upgrade.

[@vector4606]

My 3900X has been absolutely crushing it since the day I got it, it's a piece of perfect silicon that has sold me on AMD CPUs for the next couple of decades on its own easily.

[@SuperTurbo9001]

+1 my 3950x has been a beast for editing astronomy images

[@GrandmasterBBC]

I just picked up a second-hand ryzen 5 3600 system from Facebook Marketplace for $200. It was running an RX 580 and only a single 8GB stick of ddr4. I spent $50 on a 32 GB kit of 3200 ddr4 and tossed in my RX 6650 XT that I had lying around. That thing is a little beast! This is going to upgrade my daughter's old i7 4790 build that she's been playing for years.

[@wyattarich]

Careful with Haswell, they do not support resizable bar, which is potentially a huge performance hit, especially if you wanted to use Arc.

[@Yam3m]

W DAD

[@GrandmasterBBC]

@@wyattarichThe Haswell system is the one being replaced.

[@Joric78]

Luck of the draw with 2nd hand 3600s though. I got one of the early ones, and the memory controller quickly degraded to the point where I went from running the RAM rock solid at 3200 16-16-16-36-52-1 (Single rank 8GB Samsung B die modules) to gradually decreasing the frequency and loosening the timings. It was just out of warranty when there were no settings for CPU or RAM that were stable. It wasn't just the Bios updates either, as I tried rolling them back to the original when it started getting flaky.

[@LensofWyant]

Excited for 9900k revist!

[@thefirelord3148]

The 3600 was the chip that ran the first computer that I built myself. While I have since upgraded my rig to something a little more powerful, that same computer is still being daily driven by my brother and works flawlessly for what he needs

[@jakub7777]

Thank you for adding 5600x back. I was trying to find out how big of a jump is 5600x -> 5800x3D nowadays and this helped a lot.

[@RaidZeroTV]

I just scooped up a Ryzen 5 5500 for 80 bucks on Amazon as a placeholder CPU in a MSI B550-a Pro that I got used for 72 dollars, and a 16gb kit of PNY cl18 3200mghz used for 30 dollars. Undervolted using curve optimizer -30 all core, and overclocking using PBO2 +200, running at 70c with stock cooler at max load xmrig mining. Getting very good gaming performance, surprisingly good, and doing around 5500 hashes/sec on xmrig. Not bad for a placeholder while I wait for a good deal on a 5700x3d. Definitely worth keeping around in the collection, as it's more than fast enough for most people's needs.

[@Arejen03]

I upgraded 5 2600 to 5600x and gtx 1060 to 3060 ti, used parts 290 dollars for both parts so worth it

[@mvnvxt]

sounds like a damn good deal

[@bismuth7730]

Hell yea, thats how its done!

[@McCarthy880]

I upgraded my CPU from a ryzen 3600X to 5800X and my GPU from a Vega 56 to an RTX 3060 Ti. Literally paid £150 for both parts, during the GPU mining boom.

[@tomzpl]

thats a huge performance uplift for not so much cash :) also stuff looks good with all these upscalers and framegens, probably wont have to upgrade for a long time.

[@Captainshrapnel]

Same here 2600 to the 5600x with gtx 1070ti wish it was 1080ti

[@theseabass]

I went from a R7 1700 to a R9 3950X to a R9 5950X, ON THE SAME X370 MOTHERBOARD! AM4 was and still is absolutely legendary. (I actually ended up selling that X370 motherboard a couple months back for the same price I bought a used X570 mobo. Nice easy upgrade for me to get access to PCIe 4.)

[@rhesaramadhan8474]

Absolutely agree, this AM4 platform is legendary. I started with R3 2200G to a R5 3600 + 3060Ti with the same B350 Mobo. Still saving up for the 5600 X3D chips as my final upgrade form :)

[@coachaub377]

Nice! I'm still running on my Aorus ax370 gaming 5 mobo. I started with a 1800x and upgraded to a 3900x. It is still running great! I plan to upgrade to a 9900x this year.

[@86FCS]

I went from a 1600AF to a 3900.

[@124thDragoon]

I got an R5 3600 *and* an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max for $250 combined from Microcenter in March 2020, literally a week before the pandemic started. They’re still going strong 4+ years later.

[@Drewtheelder]

I have the same combo, one of my better choices.

[@I..cast..fireball]

Mee too

[@harshitsingh3297]

same paired with 2070sup

[@McBobX]

0:11 SOMEHOW!!! You definitely got me there!! 😂😂

[@giuseppefulvi2446]

Love this channel! Found out by accident! Back in the days it was only about ram hahaha now is graphic cards, chips, motherboards, etc. gaming has really envolved! Love your work mannnn!

[@Shizzmoney74]

R5 3600 was my first Ryzen. GOAT tier chip

[@AnonGolden]

I'm on an 8700k, it is starting to show its age and I'm looking to upgrade. Looking forward for your revisit!

[@aeromotive2]

how about a raptor lake cpu, 50% off

[@Jimster481]

@@aeromotive2 Those are trash and just break. Don't waste your time on an Intel platform. They haven't been relevant since the days of the 8700k.

[@Nightmare0021]

As someone who's still on the 8700k, I'm looking forward to the new video. Thank you, Steve and team!

[@skitidet4302]

I'm still on the 8600K... maybe it's time.

[@thecsslife]

Unless you really need high fps, 8700k is still very capable. It also is very overclockable

[@Jimster481]

@@thecsslife It is "fine" for many things but overall it is much slower than a 5600x.

[@AniketMohite1988]

Absolutely thanks for this video as well. I already watched your 5700X3D review & did upgrade to this CPU considering the price was great. Jan 2020 - R7 3700X (Wraith Prism) + RTX 2060 6GB Upgrade: Mar 2024 - RTX 4070 (FPS were higher but not smooth unless Frame gen was being used.) Upgrade - July 2024 - R7 5700X3D (still using Wraith Prism after adjusting curve optimizer & PPT, TDC, EDC) Now with 5700X3D + RTX 4070, I have a great gaming PC for my 1080p ultrawide display. Can play High/Ultra settings easily with smooth FPS on games. For my video editing, as the reviews already said, the performance is same as my old 3700X. Totally happy with my upgrade for my requirements. AM4 has been a blessing.

[@thierryvt]

This is honestly very valuable information as it allows us to see how much CPUs have improved over the years. It's a much bigger difference than I expected too.

[@Wahinies]

These are always fun, i have gotten so much mileage out of my 3600 and now 5800X3D

[@stryke42]

Me too! I used my 3600x for years before switching to the 5800x3d. Rock solid chips and so powerful!

[@snakeplissken1754]

One thing those graphs always show very nicely is how amazingly graceful the x3d chips age.

[@PCgamerChannel]

Got my 3600x in 2020, still running fine and perfect for 1080p gaming. Gave that pc to my partner. Have a ryzen 7 7800x3d now. Always been fantastic zero issues.

[@StolenJoker84]

Similar situation here. Built my wife a B550 build with my old 3600X, and paired it with a 3060 12GB, and she still games on it daily (1080/60) Upgraded my X570 board to a 5950X and paired it with a 3080ti 12GB. Did that right around the launch of the 40 series GPUs, and both builds have been perfectly suitable for their respective uses.

[@KAIKIN]

Ryzen 3700x user here. Just bought a 5700x3d recently and I am so happy that I did.

[@8Tails]

This was so incredibly helpful. I'm running a 3600x and have been thinking about upgrading

[@mrwolfe0812]

Steve is like the Eminem of KZbin, nobody wants smoke with him, not even the very biggest names, and he treats his position seriously like a 9-5 instead of a photoshoot.

[@theherobryan]

Steve Shady

[@JohnWalsh2019]

Yeah but like a nerd version of an east coas vs. west coast (Biggie vs. 2Pac) rap battle Steve had beef with Linus. Shots fired shots fired.

[@gg-gn3re]

@@JohnWalsh2019 linus is more like ja rule vs eminem (steve)

[@mudkipperz1]

It’s because of the effort him and his team put into being trustworthy. We’re lucky to have people like Steve with personal integrity-ones that can’t be bought. That’s my main issue with LTT these days-they’ll sell to the highest bidder. Steve has never lost his objectivity and integrity.

[@danieloberhofer9035]

​@@mudkipperz1This!

[@racergsxr1]

Can't wait to see the 8700k vs the 7800X3D as an 8700k owner looking to upgrade and curious just how much of a performance uplift I'm going to get! This is wild!

[@saundby]

I upgraded from a 7820K to an AMD 7950X3d and the difference is night and day in multithreaded workloads. Stuff that used to be click the button then wait while the bar crawls across the screen happen so fast that the first few times I didn't even realize it was already done. I stuck with the 7920K way too long. A 7800X3D will give very similar performance. My heavy work is image processing and CAD/CAM, I need those extra cores. Anything else, the 7800 is equal to the 7950X3D in every way. I went with the X3D because I wanted the thermal limiting for an air cooled system, and the performance hit vs 7950X has been nil because the loads are very bursty. I did the upgrade 14 months ago, and still couldn't be happier.

[@IncognitoActivado]

Not worth it.

[@Jimster481]

Honestly the 8700k is SO MUCH slower than a 5800x3D... but again it depends on how much you do. Overall you will have more than 100% performance uplift in most things. All of the "older architectures" get absolutely demolished by Zen3.

[@ismaelsoto9507]

Tbf the i7 8700K is ever slightly faster than the R5 3600 or similar in performance depending on the game so you already have a decent enough comparison and even a R5 7600 would be a huge upgrade performance wise.

[@CafeaAlba]

I’d really like to see a video where you compare the 5950x to the 9950x when it comes out, as I’m sure there are people who would be interested if it’s worth upgrading from AM4 to AM5, especially in the productivity areas.

[@Watcheyes]

Indeed! 5950x seems so good that like 25%+ or more in increased speed to 9000 series might nog be detectable in real work for content creator.

[@Somethingaboutthat]

@@Watcheyes My last CPU jump was 4.5x over what I had before to a 5900x. It will be a while till something is even close to that over the 5900x. Maybe next gen will get there if the Zen6c rumours are accurate. 12 full cores with 32 Zenc cores would be pretty awesome.

[@Watcheyes]

@Somethingaboutthat Yes that's is a huge bump. The 5000 series is so good it will take a very long time to outrun. And I think the 5000 series for content creator (doing 4k) is all you need. The extra power wont be noticed. Still deciding if to upgrade my 3700x to 5000 or go for 7000 or 9000. For me stability is of huge concern. My computer is now a bit over 3 years old, will I have it for another 3-4 years or jump to a new motherboard and cpu instead. But stability in 5000 series is great. New 9000 series can be a risk.

[@B9KGF]

Thank you for adding 3D rendering as a comparison and not just gameplay. Games are important, but it's not the only thing a CPU does!

[@tmoneysims]

Its honestly so great being a part of the community where we find other people that build a PC almost at the same time as me LOL I love my 3700x to this day and have had no issues playing any game. Im getting that itch to upgrade though

[@SvDKILLSWITCH]

CPU request for your Ryzen 9000 reviews! The Core i5-9600K and Core i7-9700K if you have them! Including them would nicely answer the question of how well are these non-HT chips holding up compared to the 10th gen chips (and the 8700K I guess) that do feature it? It would also be relevant to people still on a Core i5-8600K.

[@PJDenton]

I second that. The 9600k is still an excellent cpu to this day.

[@damonblackburn5634]

Im still using a 8600K to this day runs windows 11 and paired with like a 3070 it's been fantastic for gaming while I've been in-between new high end builds

[@1996connor]

Recently went from a 3600 to a 7800x3d. The 3600 is still a really solid chip

[@jimmysav96]

I think so many of us need to hear that reminder at the end of the video sometimes 😅 Thanks Steve

[@almostmatt1tas]

Looking forward to the 8700k revisit!

[@lasquadra4653]

I was really excited to see the charts where these 5 year old parts were compared to modern hardware. I had a momentary glimmer of hope that I could get a sense for how my i7-9700k stacked up. That got shot down pretty quickly. 😅

[@thecsslife]

It performs similar to 5600x if you overclock it

[@Jimster481]

best case scenario is a 5600x, that will be with fast ram and an OC.

[@mcmann7149]

My 3600 is still kicking, just like it did the first day I booted it up. It's holding up quite well and I'm looking to potentially upgrade but unless something catastrophic occurs, I'll be sticking to it for a while longer.

[@darenhunt1771]

Absolute budget banger. Got 3600x it runs everything i want. Ofc i will switch to am5 in next 3 years but for now im satisfied.

[@hardlyworgen71]

I went from a 3600 to a 5700X because I wanted to maintain the 65watt TDP. The performance increase was enough to be worth the price I paid at the time.

[@myolgiden]

Same here. I wanted same consumption but better performance without changing my motherboard and 5700x was the best choice. It also was cheap as hell.

[@Anderson_Hwang]

I have a 5700X3D undervolted. It basically never goes beyond 60 watts

[@aiziril]

Obviously 1080p is the best way to show disparity between CPUs but thanks for also throwing in a few 1440p slides, it's super useful.

[@jhaluska80]

I really appreciated the conclusion about not falling into consumerism for consumerism's sake. So many people upgrade without asking themselves if they are unhappy with their current system's performance and end up with buyer's remorse.

[@jasonfullerton7763]

Got my R5 3600 at the start of lockdown 2020 and it was awesome value. I bumped up to R7 5700X because i could, not because I had to.

[@harshitsingh3297]

same, but do you think 5700x gonna make a big difference ? im confused most game have little improvement only in work load situation it got decent improvement, most of my consist of 3d modeling, photoshop, video editing and some games like apex, valo, overwatch

[@-eMpTy-]

Ryzen 3000 was massively successful here in Germany, a single (!) retailer sold 130000 units of the R5 3600, 80000 units of the 3700x, 30000 for both the 3800X and 3900x. Probably close to half a million chips in total if you count in the R3, APUs and XT versions.

[@7-8-7]

COVID definitely had a part in this haha. Crazy how AMD was able to push out so many chips during that time, the prices didn't even go up that much. Wouldn't surprise me if they took a huge gamble with their orders at TSMC for both zen 2 and zen 3.

[@MikeB1972]

I'm still rocking my 9700KF, would like to see how it stacks up. Ofc a 9700K would show the same lol I just wanna see if I was right getting the 9700K vs 9900K... From what I could tell atm the 9700K was FASTER in some games than the 9900K and not much slower in others, saved a lot lol

[@Maitreya3001]

Thank you for this video! I really appreciate it. As an owner of a 3600 that currently still does what it needs to for me (though sometimes barely) I love having a direct comparison

[@FrostKing104]

Running an r5 3600, working great on modern stuff. Couldn't be happier with value to performance, especially if you're willing to get it used.

[@TALPOKEYASHA]

I still have the i5 8600K and gtx1080. While they are still working pretty good for daily use, when I'm gaming, I feel the how the time passage affected them.

[@Daxter250]

5 years eh? on to another 5 years for ma cpu buddy!

[@mrle0719]

Purely for science id love to see a revisit of zen 1 and zen 2 cpus compared to whatever was out at that time (7700k and then 8700k?)

[@petepeterson1240]

EXACTLY what I was looking for with my trusty R9 3900X - cheers

[@jacksoni349]

I've loved my 3700x and I have been wondering how it stacks up, great video!

[@tomcat452]

Please do the I7 9700k! I haven't found anyone include it since the 8700k was relevant.

[@RTLflat]

Yes 9700k comparison would be awesome!

[@anistardi]

Below compare to all those processor. So, it pointless.

[@TheActionStack]

my i7-9700k @ 5.0ghz is working pretty good all day long.

[@lnxextreme6275]

Same here! 🔥💪🏻

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

Can you do a Intel 9th gen revisit? The 9600k and 9700k would be really interesting because of the lack of HT

[@Fin1nishingMove]

No because he's an AMD fanboy (for whatever bizarre reason).

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

@@Fin1nishingMove no he's not? He's Simply a fan of whatever is better. But Intel needs to make a somewhat decent product first.

[@Fin1nishingMove]

@@eliasroflchopper3006 I see. Then he should take off his rose-colored glasses (and maybe you should too?), because Intel's back on top since 12th gen, and within 2 years or so they'll be back on top in the server segment as well.

[@eliasroflchopper3006]

​​@@Fin1nishingMove so Intels cpu's having a nearly 100% failure rate under certain conditions went completely over your head, yeah? You are the only fan boy here. And you are clearly on the wrong side too.

[@mleise8292]

@@Fin1nishingMove And GN said that Intel 12th gen beats AMD in their video "Intel Did It: Core i9-12900K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD". If you hate to see "AMD getting away with it/receiving praise", maybe you are projecting onto this struggle for market share between Intel and AMD (and the reporting on it) some struggle from your personal life? Could be a co-worker getting an unjustified promotion or intrigue among friends or family.

[@adollar47]

Thanks, Tech Jesus! This timely comparison is already a huge help in my quest to upgrade from a 3600 as the 9000 series rolls out

[@FPL4Y3R]

Man i love this channel. Yesterday i was looking at the 5700X3D and 5800X3D comparasions vs. 3600X that im currently running. Didn't think you made a video about it and now youtube recommends me this. Looking to squeeze out that little bit of life on my AM4.

[@Free4Noob]

Great content! I hope to see how my i7-9700k compares today in the next video. Possibly going to upgrade sometime soon

[@FreshChriss]

I5 8600k would be interesting, for the intel revisits and in general

[@jeebsmagee]

I'd love to see the 9600K added to the list of CPUs to test

[@AricBlunk]

or 9900k

[@benepstein3970]

Thank you for making this. Years ago I built a computer with both the 3600 and 3700X CPUs in them (thanks Microcenter). While initially intended as application servers for a since deprecated project, these now serve faithfully as both a family member and a friend's PC. I'm still in awe how well these CPUs run. The 3700X is paired with a 6800XT and runs any game thrown at it.

[@ndurbs13]

Just upgraded from 3600 to the 7800x3d. Very helpful info

[@Waldherz]

It would be nice to see the i7 8700K make a return to that list, as a LOT of people bought that one and still use it with current gen Nvidia GPUs.

[@laelster]

still using the 3600. long live the r5 3600.

[@xXxLivingDead666xXx]

i have a i7 8700k and planing to upgrade this year for the new ryzen. the Only issue is that some cpu heavy games can really tax the 8700k specifically when downloading steam games thats pushed up the usage way to much .i think its time for a change.

[@ikanexus]

no way what is this timing, was just thinking about upgrading my R5 3600 yesterday and this comes out today, thanks Steve and GN team!

[@k1nguerra]

Thanks guys! This is actually really useful for me as last week I crooked my 5600x changing thermal paste and had to choose between staying with him for a while, buying a 5700X3D or saving to upgrade to am5