AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D: as good as we hoped!

Leo takes a look at the much awaited AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D today. It's been a long time coming, and as we had hoped this is one you won't want to miss! Leo shows why. Read more in our written review: bit.ly/3Gjwdxi
00:00 Start
01:28 Introduction / Unboxing
02:11 Specs / Details / Pricing
05:01 Test Platforms
07:24 First run and some problems
09:05 Charts / power / temps
11:36 Gaming Benchmarks
16:10 Leo discusses the results - closing thoughts
Test Systems:
Processors: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Ryzen 7 7700X, Ryzen 9 7950X3D and 7950X.
Motherboard: Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero BIOS 0925
Processors: Intel Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K and Core i5-13600K.
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WiFi BIOS 1.4
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master BIOS F16b
CPU Cooler: Corsair H150i Elite LCD
Memory: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000
Graphics card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 Gaming OC 16GB GDDR6X
Power supply: Seasonic Vertex GX-1200
SSD: 500GB Sabrent Rocket 4.0 M.2 NVMe
OS: Windows 11
Pros:
Ryzen 7 7800X3D is impressively efficient
Zen 4 with 3D cache delivers huge gaming performance
Ryzen 7 3D doesn’t require fancy chipset drivers to deliver performance
Cons:
Price looks steep. Core i7-13700K is now available at £410
The 95W power draw seems artificially low for a Ryzen 7 CPU
You will need to budget for an AM5 motherboard and DDR5 RAM
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[@andydbedford]

Hands down the best reviewer in the UK, thank you Leo 👍

[@briank3754]

I just bought the 7800X3D, looking forward to trying out my first AMD build. Couldn’t even bring myself to go Intel this time around after 20 years of loyalty to team Blue. This time around AMD actually does win. In the past AMD has been a better value, but now it’s better value and better performance.

[@commandershepard9920]

How's your 7800X3D holding up? I'm in the same dilemma; have gone with Intel for 13 years straight and never tried AMD. Does it "just work" or have there been driver issues, BSOD, long boot times, or any other quirks?

[@briank3754]

@@commandershepard9920 I love it. Better performance than the 13900k and a lot smoother in VR. No overclocking required either. I just set the AMD exp profile and away I went. I primarily fly in the flight sims in VR and do some racing as well. Some games will perform better with the Intel, but for sims (racing and flying) the Vcache really improves stability and smoothness.

[@Nqxzc]

@@commandershepard9920 are u having problems with urs?

[@commandershepard9920]

@@NqxzcNah, I ended up going with the 13700kf. I've been using intel my whole life and so it just "felt more comfortable." I game at 4k targeting 120 fps, so the cpu doesn't matter as much for me anyway.

[@anteep4900]

@@commandershepard9920 almost went for the 13700kf but just couldnt bring myself... i used to go intel bc i wanted the best but seems those days are over

[@boltsandbraces6261]

Great review Leo. Loads of detail. I still can’t get over those insane avg fps in the games. So far ahead now.

[@olegyamleq7796]

Great review Leo!!! great channel, upvoted, thanks

[@vaeloreonari7516]

The most amazing thing to see in those charts are the wattage numbers in the gaming benchmarks!! AMD has a technological marvel on their hands compared to the 260w core i9!! Impressive!

[@CALiiGeddonTwo]

I think we are about to see some real amazing AMD laptops in the near future with these numbers and wattage use.

[@NietzscheanMan]

Idle power seems to be higher then Intel though, which sucks.

[@shepardpolska]

@@NietzscheanMan Thats the I/O die using up power at idle, the price you pay for chiplets.

[@AssaultDoneky]

​@@CALiiGeddonTwo true, considering most laptops are 1080p or 1440p, the CPU would boost performance by an insane amount. The 7945hx already matches intels top CPU with less power, imagine what a 3d-vcache cpu will do!

[@skilletpan5674]

​@@shepardpolska i'd say they'll fix idle power later. Chiplets are handy for that reason.

[@RobBCactive]

Love the unboxing vid, Leo is really killing the genre;

[@srdjanvincic597]

Awesome review, as always Leo!

[@ryanrioz94]

good reviews from you and perf/cost is really worth it , detailed explainations by you (LEO) anyway send leo a beers

[@StoneyWoney]

This CPU is somewhat magical to me from a gaming point of view. Relatively cheap price (below 7950X3D, 13900K and 13700K), but best performance and lowest power consumption. Just awesome!

[@alsigerpro]

nice review, i hope leo also reviews games someday

[@cemre8019]

Thanks for telling us to wait! We were told!

[@vintage0x]

we certainly were!!!!!!

[@fairycat]

thanks for review.

[@Luredreier]

19:31 Remember that with TDP they're not referring to how much power it'll draw but how much cooling capability it needs. Those are closely related, but not the same. With the 3D V-cache these processors are more temperature sensitive.

[@kylestewart4444]

Didn't AMD essentially have to cap this chip's power draw because of the thermal sensitivity of the added v-cache? I don't remember where I heard that but it makes sense to me. I assume that probably does leave some processing performance on the table but if you primarily use your PC for gaming, the benefits of the added cache appear to be more important than the loss of productivity-based performance. It seems to be an excellent chip for a very specific use case. Not all games are even set up to benefit from the extra cache but for the ones that are, the performance uplift appears to be pretty substantial. The 7700X is a good value and offers a great balance between productivity-based tasks and gaming performance but if you're only chasing better gaming performance and you don't need the higher clock speeds, the 7800X3D looks like a great choice.

[@phm04]

thank you for doing 1440p benchmarks

[@canarychrome7012]

That’s some processor. Those gaming results are next level. 😮

[@sephiroth4543]

Horrible for productivity though and far too expensive. The i7 13700k seems a far better value and an all rounder.

[@96kylar]

Its even better than he is showing.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

@@sephiroth4543 The power draw of the 13700K is a joke and will milk you dry

[@sephiroth4543]

@@V1CT1MIZED fair point, I just wished the 7800X3D was great at prodicvity

[@cantfindanamefree]

I got a 7800x3d the other day. My cinebench scores are sub 17000. Clocks hit 4600/4700 ish but don't stay locked at that and move around. Is that expected? My intel i9 would sit at the max all core boost Update 2: turns out my poor cinebench score was because corsair icue runs a few services in the background and one of them is pull 10% cpu utilisation. When I stopped the process the scores are now 18000+

[@roythunderplump]

Wonder if you get more of the stated power draw, better performance with Gigabyte X670E, Gaming X boards that HUB used to show higher results with the Ryzen 7 7700X? Motherboard or CPU gimped to keep the Ryzen 9 competitive? Really a superb educating and entertaining review.

[@96kylar]

The msi boards are, so far the first and only doing some special tweaks for the 7800x3d. They have bios tweaks just for it. I hope ASUS does it also. (I got my 7800x3d yesterday, but have a rog strix x670e-e.

[@axi6ne8us]

I'm not a gamer, but still build gaming rigs. My next build will be with the 7950X paired with the ROG Strix X670E-E

[@sol-hb8zg]

im happy with wanting to upgrade to a 5800x3d from my 3800x. this looks great though and buy this over intel when i do a whole plat upgrade

[@Luredreier]

I'm thinking about doing the same from a R7 1700... (Non-x) My mother supports it.

[@sol-hb8zg]

@@Luredreier do it!

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

holy cow thats some impressive results. Knocks Intel for six.

[@sephiroth4543]

Not really, it's very close at 4k res which is what is what res I play at and it's more expensive than a 13700k which has a far better productivity value. I got a i9 13900k new from ebay for £500 and a new i7 13700k new for £325. Amd can't compete because the 7800x3d is nerfed when it comes to productivity and it's priced badly. Even the cheaper i5 13600k performs better at productivity and is close in high res gaming.

[@kriszhao80]

@@sephiroth4543 you come across as a fanboy in this post, just because you supposedly gota deal " brand new" at well under retail price does not make it real for everybody, realistically for about the same price as a 13700k you get the 7800x3d which is better at gaming which is who it is designed for...

[@sephiroth4543]

@kris chambers that is a silly way to think, the difference is negligible at 2k or 4k gaming and for productivity it's a no brainer. Don't you think it's stupid to spend extra money on the 7800x3d and get worse productivity performance? You are wasting your money. It's not about being a "fan boy" it's called being realistic. If the 7800x3d was a good productivity chip with a slightly better gaming performance tgat beats the i7 across the board in all the games then I would get it myself. By the way they are not the same price as the i7 costs less in all the shops. There is no need to get triggered, you can waste your money on the 7800x3d, no one is stopping you.

[@sephiroth4543]

@kris chambers that is a silly way to think, the difference is negligible at 2k or 4k gaming and for productivity the i7 13700k is on a different planet. Don't you think it's stupid to spend extra money on the 7800x3d and get worse productivity performance? You are wasting your money. It's not about being a "fan boy" it's called being realistic. If the 7800x3d was a good productivity chip with a slightly better gaming performance tgat beats the i7 across the board in all the games then I would get it myself. The i7 13700k is cheaper in all the stores and you don't even need a DDR5 board to run it. There is no need to get triggered, you can buy the 7800x3d anytime you want, no one is stopping you. I can afford all the chips and it would be stupid to get the 7800x3d when someone has or can get the i7 as you are essentially side grading with a lot of performance loss for every day tasks other than gaming. Even in gaming the difference is minute as most people have a 2k monitor.

[@kriszhao80]

@@sephiroth4543 when not running ddr 5 the performance suffers and it falls even further behind the x3d part, and no most people run 1080p over 65% of surveyed Steam users primarily play games at 1080p. That makes 1080p orders of magnitude more popular than any other resolution tracked by Valve. The next most popular resolution, 1440p, makes up just 11.34% of the survey pool. Surprisingly, 4K comes in fifth place at 2.60%, behind both 1366x758 at 5.70%... and again show me a " brand new" 13700k for the price you claimed to have paid.

[@sevimgaz978]

Amazing the teething problems you get from the bios.

[@jondonnelly4831]

Im happy with my 7900x, 5.6GHz sustained boost all cores overclock Some games the 7800x3d will be slighly better in 1440p, but just as many games will like frequency and all productivity loves 7900x

[@darbstre2900]

Ok

[@_Data_]

This is pure cope. 7800X3D is the faster CPU in at least 95% of modern games. Literally every review shows this, and in this specific review the 7800X3D is fastest in 100% of the games tested at any res. Only with older games like CS:GO will the 7900X have an advantage, which is practically meaningless because you'll be getting many hundreds of fps in old games with either CPU.

[@sephiroth4543]

​@Data I agree to an extent when it comes to gaming but the 7900x is a far better productivity chip and I would rather get that although I have the i9 13900k

[@Damien_B78]

Just wondering if you did a clean install of windows as gamers nexus mentioned issues using a previous install for the higher skews.

[@KitGuruTech]

Yes I followed AMD's instructions and said as much kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZrJkJWBnLt_e6M Leo

[@MrSnake9419]

Probably wont be able to get one here in the UK for a couple of months...

[@elasmojones]

didn't take too long for the price of the 5800x3d to come down....it'll be interesting to see how long the 7800x3d will hold

[@MaddaxxxE]

Just grabbed one with a mobo and 32GB DDR5 for $469.

[@MK-xc9to]

Well , if you show a CB23 score of just shy of 14000 , my 5800X3D with PBO2 Curve optimiser at negative 30 its at 14750 - 14900 = ~ + 5 % and thats something you could do with an 7800 X3D as well and you would been over 18000 CB , ~ 18800 CB23 i guess . Not to mention that the Temps will be lower and the Fans will be quieter . Not sure that - 30 will work with an 7800X3D because it clocks higher but ... at least -10 / -15 should be possible . That would be my suggestion for every X3D Owner , its Performance for free without increasing the Voltage and if your MoBo does not support PBO2 with the 5800X3D , simply use PBO2 Tuner .

[@malikto1]

It may be close in gaming performance to the 13900k but its still an AMD chip. I've had issues with AMD in the past but none with Intel. Maybe I'll try AMD again someday but not anytime soon.

[@tsvetanbliznakov7694]

I hope one day we can see heavy open world mmorpg(world of warcraft, final fantasy and etc) and heavy sim games(stellaris, civ6, hoi4, total war end of turn times ,football manager and etc) tested as well.. those type of games also have a huge amount of player base especially the mmorpgs like world of warcraft have like 1-2mil online daily for example and all of the mentioned games benefit greatly from 3dvcache, where Shadow of the Tomb Rider is just good for benchmarking rather than me or anyone else playing it. Open World Online games with a ton of people literally everywhere you go can show greatle the benefits of 3dvcache and how much it can help with 1% lows in these scenarios. Also open world mmo rpgs are not a CyberPunk type of game which you can finish for 3 weeks and never play again. Games like this are being played for 10-15years easily on and off or continuesly. P.S. Excuse my not so great english and yes I know its not easy to test online open world mmos because there are a ton of variables, but I'm sure it can be done and it will be very much appreciated by a ton of people and not even counting the sim games as well.

[@03chrisv]

Great gaming CPU. Too bad I do a lot more than game on my PC otherwise I would have bought this. I'm very happy overall with my 13900, it's a multithread monster.

[@03chrisv]

@Tetsujinmustdie I have a 13900 non k. It has a base TDP of 65w and turbo TDP of 219w. On idle it uses only 4w, in gaming its about 55w to 70w, in productivity software its between 30w to 200w depending on the workload (internet browsing vs rendering out a video for example). Temps are cool under normal usage, it only ever hits 99c during benchmarks like Cinebench R23 (which pushes power draw to over 270w before thermal throttling). My 13900 is inside a NZXT H1 v2 case so a relatively "small" 140mm AIO water cooler using Noctua NT-H2 thermal paste is what's cooling it. My PC is able to score 37k in Cinebench R23 which is pretty good for a non k Intel CPU squeezed into a small form factor PC.

[@Manospondylus]

Just tell me what should replace my i7 7700K. I already have a 3080ti abd my upgrade budget is $1,000

[@Kbux0830]

Were you able to figure out the low clock speed? Getting 4.6ish Ghz all core, similar cinebench scores to your results.

[@KitGuruTech]

The clock speed I showed isn't low and is in-line with the published max boost figure. The only issue is a lowish Cinebench score. Leo

[@Kbux0830]

@@KitGuruTech Thanks for the reply, found that if i set Pbo to enabled, and curve optimizer to -35 all core, Cinebench results are more in line with other reviews.

[@christianprice9832]

Honestly, the lower 1 percent lows compared to the 7950x3d is a bit of a concern. Also, most other reviewers have the 7950x3d leading over the 7800x3d in many of these benchmarks. Have you spoken to Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed?

[@joeyscott6180]

honestly ive watched a bunch and they are on par in gaming none the less

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

They should talk to Leo. Not the other way round.

[@christianprice9832]

@Lucifer's Headscarf bro Leo is one of the few that shows this disparity. It makes no sense that the higher binned cache ccd on the 7950x3d would perform worse unless you are having driver issues. You could also technically disable ccd1 on the 7950x3d and again should be getting better results as the cache ccd on that chip clocks higher. For 250 extra, why wouldn't you go for the better chip? 250 is like one nice steak dinner with the wife man.

[@elasmojones]

damn....that's some steak...is it covered in caviar and lobster?

[@96kylar]

@@joeyscott6180 No, they arent. For whatever reason, his first lows, are lower than everyone ive seen, including myself. He has something going on.

[@Penfolduk001]

Thanks. I'm puzzled why AMD haven't got a more elegant solution to the 2 CCD issue. I'd have thought that Windows 11, not designed from the ground-up to favour Intel processors, would have some way of identifying games and allocating tasks purely to the one CCD 🙄

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Windows 11 generally is not that good😂

[@briank3754]

The clock is not a problem as you seen in the benchmarks. Lower clocks with massive cache make it a big winner, especially for those of us who are flight and racing simmers.

[@Jasontvnd9]

A few years ago an 8 core processor at 4.8GHZ all core in a synthetic benchmark at 90w would be absolutely mental.

[@discopooh]

The Master

[@pengko0]

it will be interesting when reviewers test the 7800x3d with budget a620 boards and slower budget ram like 5600. Will it be less sensitive to ram speeds/timings like the 5800x3d? plus PO turner negative 30 setting it all core 5ghz and undervolting? When this cpu goes on sale for around 320-350 dollars that's when the magic happens.

[@derdaniel8261]

CO -30 will run in Benchmarks but will never be 100% stable.

[@optimalsettings]

@@derdaniel8261 Wrong!

[@derdaniel8261]

When you believe.....

[@optimalsettings]

@@derdaniel8261 im not believing. I am practicing.

[@mrliquiddevil7709]

leo what memory configuration did you end up using for the gaming test? did you put the memory back to 6000 mt/s?????????

[@KitGuruTech]

Yes indeed, as per the AIDA64 memory test chart the G.Skill was running at DDR5-6000

[@daunted2322]

I went 13600k, I have been very happy with it. I was a bit impatient, but I don't think it really cost me. DDR4 mobo, I already had DDR4 sticks. And there cheaper AMD mobos took quite a while to be affordable. Happy to be a good last gen parts owner. In my eyes ryzen 7000 was less impressive to me than ryzen 5000 was. In terms of an attractive package that was readily available for a decent price. Some times slow and steady, doesn't win the race.

[@geofftatesmate7748]

still happy with it? you have to jump in at some point, always something better around the corner. but usually more expensive, as prices are showing

[@KitGuruTech]

We love the Core i5-13600K. Superb CPU.

[@nivea878]

i have the same, its perfect

[@faithful2008]

hi can you tell us what temp is getting while gaming? and what temp you think will have on idle prime and gaming while u use only 240 aio?

[@KitGuruTech]

Very low. The bigger questions are case air flow and how much heat from your GPU affects your CPU. The Ryzen 7 7800X 3D uses very little power and is icy cool. Leo

[@faithful2008]

@@KitGuruTech thanks for the reply, i see on your graph that 7800x3d is getting max 77C on 100% cpu load stres test, but you also show 5800x3d getting only 74C on the same graph, so does it's mean 5800x3d run cooler -4C vs 7800x3d? Right now i have 5900x with 240 aio arctic freezer II and i'm getting 62C in Cinebench multi and also 62C on single test. But i see you use 360 aio on 7800x3D and getting 77C on Cinebench multi, so if i use my 240 aio on 7800x3d i will get 80C or more on cinebench multi if right now im getting only 62C on my 5900x on multi with pbo disabled freq on all core at 4100Mhz? Thanks

[@mad0nion929]

how many boards do you know, that run DDR5 6000MT/s Ram with this CPU without any problems?

[@jondonnelly4831]

I know the aurous ax pro does 6200MHz 30 36 36 36 46 with my 7900x. Solid.

[@Cooe.]

As expected, mind-melting gaming performance while absolutely SIPPING power!!! 😳🤯 All that said though, I'm very, VERY confident that the performance deficits some people are seeing (including you) in certain games on the asymmetric layout dual-CCD Ryzen 9 7000X3D parts vs the traditional single-CCD Ryzen 7 7800X3D WILL get ironed out over the coming months through AMD & Microsoft further updating the Windows thread scheduler and AMD's AM5 chipset drivers! Aka, just like what we saw with both Zen 1 AND more recently Intel's Alder Lake, which at launch BOTH had major thread scheduling problems. Hell, I even wouldn't be surprised at ALL if the R9 7950X3D ends up ever so slightly FASTER for gaming in the end thanks to its +200MHz higher X3D CCD clock-speed (max 5.25GHz vs 5.05GHz on 7800X3D). 🤷 Reviewers like Linus' over at LTT who are seemingly just assuming that the R9 X3D chips are PERMANENTLY gimped for gaming vs the R7 7800X3D and that the asymmetric thread scheduling straight up cannot be improved are COMPLETELY throwing out the baby with the bathwater IMO... 😑🤦

[@padnomnidprenon9672]

I hope they don't mislead too much people about that thrn

[@bigboimize]

New conspiracy: This is on purpose by AMD to sell more CPUs

[@quirkyitalianexploration]

For editing large 10-bit 4k video files in Davinci Resolve, how does this perform? I know the 13900k will be faster but can you still get by happily with the 78003dx or will video editing be a stutter fest?

[@sephiroth4543]

It will be much slower, they really messed up the productivity aspect of this chip. If you care about productivity something like the i7 13700k will be incredible and it gets near the 7800x3d and beats it un some game while costing much less than the AMD chip. For productivity I would look at i7, i9 or 7900x3d and above.

[@quirkyitalianexploration]

@@sephiroth4543 Thanks man. I always find the reviews are too focused either on gamers or hardcore productivity. I'm sort of in between. I game a lot but do a lot of video editing (semi-professionally). Personally, I don't care about waiting an extra 30 seconds for a video render to complete but what I want to be sure about is that if I use 600mb per second modern video files in Davinci Resolve that my editing experience will be fluid and not a complete stutterfest (like my current 6700k is with 100mb per second 4k files). They never cover that point in these reviews. Not everyone is a professional videographer but wants to make sure at the same time that the chip will still serve their needs if they are in between the two.

[@sephiroth4543]

@@quirkyitalianexploration exactly, essentially what we want is value for money and a good price to performance chip. The 7800x3d would have been worth the money if it performed like the 7900x chip for productivity while giving us across the board performance gains in high res gaming rather than being better in selected games and not being that much better than the i7 13700k at higher resolution gaming. I always liked Amd for their value but they seem to be messing that up atm. Another thing is why release the 7950x3d when the 7800x3d is better in gaming and the original non 3D chip is the same or slightly better for productivity tasks.

[@quirkyitalianexploration]

@@sephiroth4543 Well said my friend.

[@QuentinStephens]

Great work. It's a hugely impressive CPU. It's likely not the target market but how does the 7800X3D fare in lightly-threaded but CPU-intensive jobs? I expect that AMD will top this by launching a 7950X3D2 with 3D cache on both CCDs soon enough. Asrock have just released the Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 to a very positive review from Hardware Unboxed; I'm looking forward to seeing you test that with the 7800X3D on the basis of 'can you save on the motherboard to splurge on the CPU?'.

[@03chrisv]

I'd expect it to perform a little worse than a 7700x in workloads that are capable of using all 8 cores and 16 threads. Good enough for hobby use in the content creation space but not ideal for more serious/professional work. I think AMD says that the 7800x 3D should score 18k in Cinebench, to put it into perspective a Core i7 13700k scores about 29k to 30k. A Core i9 13900k hits 40k. A 7950x 3D2 would probably be pointless. Since most games don't typically take advantage of more than 6 threads there would be no uplift in gaming performance. If all 16 cores had the 3D v cache it would perform even worse than the first iteration of the 7950x 3D in content creation workloads, probably somewhere between a 7900x and 7950x 3D. It would be DoA.

[@nostrum6410]

if they could have put v cache on both dies that would have. Their reasoning for only one ccd is obviously BS

[@03chrisv]

@@nostrum6410 It would be dumb to put v cache on both, there's zero benefit since games aren't even coded and optimized to use more than 4 to 6 cores. It would be no faster at gaming and perform even worse than 7950x3D in content creation software.

[@QuentinStephens]

@@nostrum6410 Of course they could have put vcache on both CCDs. They just want an extra product to launch in the future to make even more money.

[@nostrum6410]

@@03chrisv games don't need more than 8 cores the same way 16 gb of ram is enough, and 16gb video cards are enough

[@R4K1B-]

You might need to correct those power numbers for gaming. Cinebench is max power for all cores. For intel the e cores wont be used in gaming and for amd the non3d wont be used. This will result in much lower power for both

[@KitGuruTech]

You make a fair point however logging power draw during gaming and then publishing a figure is also problematic. Do we go with peak power, average power or something else? Showing the 100% load power draw is useful information and can be double checked by the audience. Leo

[@overclockingdemon7179]

The platform is quite expensive I liked the outtro part Leo. You put a bit of thought into that rather than just read off results. It’s been a bit of an issue for amd. Will be interesting to see how it stacks up with the new boards.

[@abaj006]

It's a long lasting platform, so a bit of price premium is to be expected. Much better investemnt value than Intel's already dead platform in my opinion.

[@Cooe.]

AM5 really isn't expensive anymore... B650 starts at just ≈$125 now (w/ proper high quality boards for ≈$200), with A620 (PLENTY for this power sipping CPU) now available for

[@MegaNewYorkYankee]

Who is We?

[@KitGuruTech]

'We' is KitGuru, referring to our review of Ryzen 9 7950X3D however it also applies to most tech reviewers. Leo

[@vipercrazy9910]

The first half of the games the 1% lows don't look great. Who cares if you have 30 avg fps higher if you have 0.1% 30fps lower. Thank you for testing in 1440p.

[@ka0tiksh0t]

I’m scoring the same in cinebench r23. Roughly 17600. I’m running it on a asus Strix x670e-a and 6000mhz ram. Is there something wrong?

[@KitGuruTech]

If I hadn't been given a target score by AMD I would have been entirely happy with the results I published. During test I talked to another reviewer who was using the same Asus motherboard and they did indeed score over 18,000 which is in line with AMD's figures. Leo

[@J3pp3]

I can barely get over 17100 in cinebnech r23. Mine doesn't even boost over 4.6 in cinebench. There seems to be quite big variation between the chips.

[@SmithyD86]

Think I'll sell my superb 7600 and get this, should still get a decent price for this second hand.. Only had it about 6 weeks!

[@darbstre2900]

Imo you should wait for the 9800x3d. They say they will still support am5 and the 7600 is no slouch.

[@duckilythelovely3040]

It's ok. My 7900x3d still gets more FPS in some games over it. And I do have 4 extra cores, so in games like last of us and cyberpunk I'm not pushing the limits here. Very happy with my 7900x3d, I feel it is better overall rounded for any situation.

[@KevinM0890]

why do u test @ 1440p? did u never hit the gpu limit?

[@KitGuruTech]

I am unclear whether you are asking why I don't test at 4K. If that is the question, the answer is that this is a CPU review so I want to push the CPUs to their limits without being restricted by other components. Leo

[@96kylar]

What is going on with the lows? That sucks ?!

[@fatavocado7291]

But it's not available in stores, so....

[@ovedach]

something terribly wrong with the heat cap ... seems like it should draw much more power ... 80w ... ?? .. only .. should do 120? some bug? or error setup in bios of the mobo...?

[@KitGuruTech]

We discuss that point at some length in the video Leo

[@ovedach]

@@KitGuruTech seems like the main limitation to the CPU is the voltage at 1.2v max. PBO2 with undervolt seems to be the way forward with this CPU for sure.... just viewed skatterbench OC'int the 7800x3d - that looks amazing - just the PBO2 alone is very nice performance gain... basically for free. Which would work for all who buy a B650 or x670 board.

[@Bk_owns]

Im gonna stick with my 5800x 3D for now. Just not worth the upgrade yet.

[@puffyips]

Only worth if ya got 4090 imo

[@georgelowrielowrie5428]

Finally getting tempted to upgrade the 5900X!

[@ovedach]

uhm, was this video supposed to go live tomorrow? :D

[@KitGuruTech]

The review embargo lifts today. CPus go on sale tomorrow.

[@ovedach]

@@KitGuruTech when excactly is "tomorrow" ? ;) want to collect one now :D

[@duke3d733]

And on release day for the 7800X3D,,,, Zero stock in the whole of the UK. Only a few retailers taking pre-orders. Only one retailer shows expected delivery date of 21st April 😡 Thanks AMD, way to go 🤨

[@insertnamehere4419]

I find the 1% lows kind of concerning, consistently lower than everything else other than the 5800x which also seems to have bad 1% lows....

[@insertnamehere4419]

@Jualin joe I mean....it's still the best gaming cpu available, and the lows are only low(er) relatively speaking in benchmarks . In actual practise I'd say it doesn't matter. It's just something I noticed.

[@mysticdre321]

Someone claimed that they were able to OC the chip to 5.4Ghz. Is this possible?

[@KitGuruTech]

It sounds like you should ask this mysterious 'someone' that very question Leo

[@darknessblades]

How does this one compete against the Ryzen 9 7900 [non X verison].

[@KitGuruTech]

I haven't retested the Ryzen 9 7900 with RTX 4080 graphics but our original review is here www.kitguru.net/components/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-9-7900-ryzen-7-7700-review/

[@Bobthebuilder2235]

Why are the 1% lows so low on the 7800X3D compared to the 7950x3D?

[@danijelb.3384]

It has consistently the worst 1% lows of all high end CPUs…I’m wonder why no one is talking about that? People always used to talk about how important the lows are.

[@danijelb.3384]

It has consistently the worst 1% lows of all high end CPUs…I’m wonder why no one is talking about that? People always used to talk about how important the lows are.

[@danijelb.3384]

It has consistently the worst 1% lows of all high end CPUs…I’m wonder why no one is talking about that? People always used to talk about how important the lows are.

[@danijelb.3384]

It has consistently the worst 1% lows of all high end CPUs…I’m wonder why no one is talking about that? People always used to talk about how important the lows are.

[@danijelb.3384]

It has consistently the worst 1% lows of all high end CPUs…I’m wonder why no one is talking about that? People always used to talk about how important the lows are.

[@jesuschrist2284]

That 5800x looks good

[@V1CT1MIZED]

It is good, I had one. Unbeatable value, especially if you already have an AM4 setup.

[@thelesls]

The amount of performance/watt that the 7800X3D is stunning. AMD isn't leveraging this enough. On the other hand, it seems to me that AMD crippled the 7800X3D to validate the more expensive ones somewhat. So IMHO, AMD should have launched only two X3D SKUs, 7900X3D or 7950X3D, with a 3D cache on both sides (no matter the cost) and the 7800X3D.

[@OneAngrehCat]

I'm just waiting for the first mobile chips with X3D. The battery life improvements will be massive and apply to pretty much everything.

[@wultna]

Game Performance 7800x3d vs. 13900K is tie imho. This is because of the constantly lower 1% fps of 7800x3d vs 13900K especialy on higher resolutions. Although in my eyes the 1% fps is the more important value, I have to take into account that the 7800x3d shows dramaticly higher average fps over the 13900K in many games. Nonetheless I bought my 7800x3d today and going to build my gaming pc passive cooled so I never have to clean the bloody cooler again from dust. A gameing cpu has been never something near to such an opportunity.

[@sephiroth4543]

I guess you don't care too much about productivity.

[@wultna]

@@sephiroth4543 you got right. Meanwhile I noticed that these 1%low issues of the 7800X3D has been caused by the core parking bug. On fresh system, the 1%low fps behaive to the avg.fps like they do with the other CPUs and do not tend to be that low like they did in this video here.

[@bigarmydave]

How does this chip, that has slower clocks and less cache, best the 7950X3D??

[@KitGuruTech]

You would have to think it is because the 8-core Ryzen 7 uses a single chiplet while the Ryzen 9 communicates back and forth across Infinity Fabric Leo

[@bigarmydave]

@@KitGuruTech I guess the lows make the Ryzen 7950x3d the overall daddy still though!

[@zenon3021]

@@bigarmydave the 7950 turns half the cores off while gaming, it's basically a dirty cash grab to squeeze extra money out of gamers, but now that the 7800x3d is here, the 7950 is obsolete (unless you need 16 cores for business/productivity work)

[@zoundsic]

Calling it a 7800 seems fair if you tjhink it's held back for v-cache heat sensitivy. Interesting to see what ingenious people do to get more performance testing that out.

[@MustafaGT]

Am I missing something? The 7800X3D has lower 1% lows than 7950X3D. So doesn’t that mean you will see more stutters on the 7800X3D than 7950X3D?

[@KitGuruTech]

Potentially and theoretically but the numbers are so high there is no sign of it in practice Leo

[@mrg6663]

@@KitGuruTech If the numbers are so high at 1080P, this CPU is not making any noticeable difference. What are we going to do with >200fps if the monitor is 120Hz? We are throwing away frames. I would put my extra dollar on the GPU if I need more frames.

[@evangross7371]

should i go with the i9-13900k or this i have a 4090 ddr5 6000mhz

[@jotunheim5302]

Go with the 7800X3D you beat 13900k in the vast majority of games while consuming far less power. So your system will run far cooler. Not to mention saving money vs the 13900k. It's a no brainer for gaming focused builds going forward.

[@evangross7371]

@@jotunheim5302 what’s a good motherboard for it

[@Thundra74]

10:06 cpu cinebench R23 Temp .....13700 225 watt 90°C hotter than 13900 260 watt 87°C ? how is possible ?

[@KitGuruTech]

As mentioned the MSI MPG Z790 Carbon WiFi was running on manual settings and once I set it for Core i9 I left it alone for Core i7 and Core i5. Check out my review for the full reasoning but in essence it was a quick and dirty fix for a lousy BIOS. I could easily have dialled the Vcore down further and the Core i7 would have been happier and cooler on 1.25V instead of 1.30V Leo

[@DJKaps86]

in gaming win win win??? 1% lows are the most important, you should know that lol ^^ high max fps is just for show...I was very surprissed hearing this from you, but still good work anyway...

[@garyharris8082]

I don't get the bit about the motherboard costs yes I know they are too high and people talk about the AM5 platform cost which tbf is pretty steep but you do tend to get more longevity with AMD platforms than you do with Intel do you? Personally I think GPU prices, both AMD and NVidia, are more egregious than the rest of the platform cost all together. I suppose they could argue that platform costs have mainly been higher than GPU prices and that justifies their position. However, that said if you are currently running AM4 platform and are considering going Intel wouldn't you also have to buy a new motherboard too and that motherboard would have to be upgraded every couple of years for each new processor type?? No I don't like the current pricing but I think a lot of reviews tend to be a little one sided.

[@KitGuruTech]

It depends whether you are building a new PC from scratch or upgrading. It is unlikely you are switching from an existing AM5 to this 7800X3D so you probably need an AM5 motherboard and you might need DDR5 unless you currently have Intel 12th Gen and want to move to AMD. If you are buying an AM5 motherboard and you are confident you'll stick with the sub-100W CPU you can probably buy a relatively cheap model, provided it supports the 7800X3D. Right now that is a grey area. If you want to move to AM5 and are not sure what you will be doing over the next few years you could well end up spending a small fortune on your motherboard, just to avoid potential problems. The good news it that if you are on AM4 and have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D you are probably very happy. Leo

[@GoldenEagle0007]

how much we in UK gonna have to overpay for this?

[@SmithyD86]

Expect to see them on scan for about £490-510 tomorrow... From what I've heard anyway

[@Michael-np2lw]

Do I return my 7950x3d if I can get a 7800x3d tomorrow lmao

[@passalapasa]

tdp is Thermal Disipation Power, has nothing to do with actual power compsumition

[@lucifersheadscarf6988]

No one said it did. Also you May want to run spell check. Makes the posts look better. Especially when you are telling people they are wrong

[@Sly_404]

Hope the availability isn’t as atrocious as it is for the 7950x3D.

[@geofftatesmate7748]

was thinking the exact same thing

[@antoniocepaj7544]

What are chances that AMD makes AM5 APU that has 32 or more L3 cache, 12 or more RDNA 3 i-gpu, 8 cores ? That has decent performance on a 1080p platform ofc. 5700G performance on 1080p platform (high settings) was frankly disapontment. Still running 3400G APU. I see no benefit upgrading to 5700G.

[@KitGuruTech]

You left exactly the same comment under Level1Techs' review of this CPU

[@antoniocepaj7544]

@@KitGuruTech lol...🤣🤣🤣 I just wanted to spread the question among many PC builders. I must have forgot where I put them all

[@franklindberg2035]

Is it AM5?

[@KitGuruTech]

Yes! www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/leo-waldock/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-review-we-told-you-to-wait

[@facundoorzabal8021]

I believe people are not hyping the insanely low power consumption of this cpu. Specially when you realise is the fastest gaming cpu in the market too.

[@HHX_H]

Why not 4k test?

[@KitGuruTech]

4K is generally limited by the GPU. This is a CPU review. Leo

[@gabrielst527]

not gonna lie 449 is kinda expensive, it should be 300 IMO, since at 450 you get more cores, it should compete vs other 8 core and 16 thread processors.

[@sauermusicDE]

I just stumbled upon this video...and I don't understand anything here. If a CPU of the same architecture has MORE cores with a HIGHER clock speed and MORE cache memory...then how in the world can it be slower? Why is the Ryzen 9 7950X3D listed with a frequency of only 4,85 GHz in the gaming benchmark list? This makes no sense. Which important info am I missing here? 🤔

[@KitGuruTech]

The clock speeds shown are logged in Cinebench Multi Core and Single Core as those tests generate stable figures. Clock speeds fluctuate in gaming so the figures shown are only indicative, to give a clue how one CPU behaves relative to another. The difference in behaviour between Ryzen 7 (single chiplet) and Ryzen 9 (dual chiplet) is likely to boil down to the added latency of the Infinity Fabric interconnect. Leo

[@sauermusicDE]

@@KitGuruTech Ahhh...ok. Thanks! 🙂

[@shephusted2714]

prices will drop, new amd chips with 20% more ipc - zen5 out in 9 mos, also maybe usb5 and wifi7 on respun am4 mobo - this chip is very efficient - run phoronix benchmarks for a long set of benchmarks and see if it benefits your workflow - the best advice, with great systems less than1500 this will benefit builders and resellers - things will get better in the mkt but we are still dealing with massive negative mkt sentiment hangover - largely accurate and warranted

[@bunyamin7snba]

Could it be you just have a duff processor with a 3% performance deficit?

[@KitGuruTech]

3 percent is more like variance than an actual fault but it came as a surprise to fall short of the expected Cinebench score Leo

[@overclockingdemon7179]

luck of the draw really. happens all the time, ive had great core i7's and bad ones.

[@danijelb.3384]

Why has the 7800x3d consistently the worst 1% lows?

[@narcis4none]

Dude performance per what it's not even close the Ryzen 7800x3d and 5800x3d are so much superior it's not just about frames you can pair this 2 3d variations processors with a B chipset and have maximum performance saving money and power consumption and also you don't need a very expensive cooler a 50 $ is enough !

[@joeyscott6180]

dumb question but can i listen to music while gaming on this

[@overclockingdemon7179]

unless someone covers your ears with their hands, yes probably.

[@joeyscott6180]

@@overclockingdemon7179 you clearly didn't know what I meant lol will it affect the fps more than non 3d versions

[@brandongerofsky4817]

I doubt it. Unless your music software is eating large chunks of available memory, it shouldn't bottleneck your performance much.

[@joeyscott6180]

@@brandongerofsky4817 thanks bro I switched to opera gx from chrome ,chrome ate so much

[@KingArthusSs]

The 5800x3D is almost as fast as the 7800x3D at 1440P and any advantages at 4K. But AM4 is much cheaper Ram is cheaper the mainboard cost 100€ and not more than 200€ as with AM5

[@cuongtang9539]

I told you! Whait till it melts, so you got a hot room.

[@yuio823]

Expect AMD to launch Ryzen5 7600X3D CPU for gamers

[@skilletpan5674]

I have some g.skill trident z 5 ram (non rgb) that isn't stable at the rated 6000mh. I have to set it to 6200mhz. This started happening with the newer bios revs. I'm running a r9-7950x on a asus tuf x670e gaming mobo. Any one else have this issue? I wonder if x3d are more stable with ram?

[@siretrasher1]

lol you already downgraded it by calling it repeatedly a ryzen 7 7700X3d :) Great review thanks

[@96kylar]

I got my 7800x3d in on sunday. (got it friday, but got it in on sunday) and can confirm, for whatever reason, his first lows, are NOT correct. Hell, im still running my 6000 memory at 4800, and havent touched a thing, But, his first lows, are not correct for,... whatever reason.

[@KitGuruTech]

It would be useful to know which games you are benchmarking at what image preset and which graphics you are using. Edit: also worth checking whether you have Core Isolation enabled or disabled in Windows 11. Leo

[@lalicdalibor1367]

Thanks god those benchs suck ! Of course if you bench only games in favor of cach it will be difference but in 25 games the difference is about 5 to 6% in 1080, in 1440p around 3 to 4% and in 4K ig’f you pick the 13900ks Intel lead around 2%

[@wmnsriteslol]

Your weird tdp results might be caused if you previously had a 7900x3d or 7950x3d on rig. You have to do a complete fresh reinstall or the OS remains contaminated with core parking drivers...essentially half your cores might be parked even though it's only 1 ccd

[@KitGuruTech]

No it's not that. As I explain in the video I used multiple SSDs each with a clean installation of Windows 11 and you can see in the video that all cores are functioning. The power, clock speed and temperature were checked over by AMD and also matches another reviewer with whom I consulted. The only thing that is wrong is the Cinebench score. If I had simply stated it was 18,200 and not shown my homework no-one would have had a clue. Leo

[@MonesahBuson]

hey guys need help, 5800x3d or 13600k?

[@Snitzel1]

5800x3d is better at gaming, the 13600k is better for everything else

[@joniqst]

New setup or upgrade?

[@MonesahBuson]

@@joniqst new setup, proce are on the same price but when it comes to mobo's intels side are more expensive

[@MonesahBuson]

well i only game so means amd?

[@Snitzel1]

@@MonesahBuson depending on the budget i'd probably go for the newer am5 platform, if you don't plan on upgrading the next 4-5 years or so the 5800x3d is a good cheap long term bet in my opinion. there are probably some reviews for your topic out there for some more opinions.

[@Exalerion]

Interesting to see that your benchmarks almost consistently show lower 1% low results compared to the competition, while I see the exact opposite in several other reviews.

[@yoortyyo5540]

kitguru use fresh installs for every test bench. not sure if the competition is doing this

[@Exalerion]

@@yoortyyo5540 Pretty sure they are (e.g. GN mentioned it) because AMD instructed reviewers to do so, since systems used with Ryzen 9 X3D CPUs are contaminated with driver/chipset crap due to the dual CCD issues.

[@yoortyyo5540]

@@Exalerion i see. hardware canucks have pretty much the same result where most games 7950x3d have higher 1% lows. why shouldn't you find GN's review result "interesting" instead?

[@stevewatson6839]

Your problems. Did you see GN's uncovering of weird core parking and OS contamimation.

[@KitGuruTech]

Each of the test set-ups used a separate SSD with fresh Windows 11 and no funny business for that exact reason Leo

[@stevewatson6839]

@@KitGuruTech ☝

[@DCS.1-1]

5800x3d is still the MVP here XD

[@SmithyD86]

The usual response 😂 but unfortunately not true anymore!

[@sephiroth4543]

​@@SmithyD86 it is when you consider the price to performance ratio. I don't think there are many people with 1080p monitors so the performance difference at 2k and 4k is not worth upgrading to. For example I got my i9 13900k for £500 and its a far better all round CPU. The 7800x3d is just a waste of money because you don't get enough performance boost in higher resolution to justify the cost over something like the i7 13700k and it's terrible for productivity when compared to the i7, i9 and even the i5. 13th gen chips.

[@asdbef3667]

​@@sephiroth4543 shut you bunch of delusional intel fan

[@SmithyD86]

@@sephiroth4543 When focussing on gaming only the Intel 13 gen are a waste of money compared to the 5800 X3D. The CPU uses about 3x less power than the 13900k. Gen 13 and 5800 x3d need some copium to realise how good this is for gaming...

[@sephiroth4543]

@@SmithyD86 I had the 5800x3d a while ago in my gaming PC but it was dissapointing for any productivity tasks hence why I got the i9 and sold the amd chip. I want the best of both worlds.