AMD’s 9800X3D Will CRUSH Intel - The Best CPU for Gamers

[@DannyzReviews]

We've got some more information from AMD's own Jack Huynh for the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. x.com/JackMHuynh According to AMD's own benchmarks the 9800X3D will be about 8-10% faster on average compared to the 7800X3D. So it is slightly better than I had expected. However I am hearing the price will be indeed be increasing 💰💰 to $479 so it kind of negates the increase. Was hoping they'd keep the prices the same.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

Its nice to see de-lided performance the question is how many of us will delid - thats where the real performance really stays.

[@Patrick73787]

The price is quite fair in my opinion.

[@paulboyce8537]

285K is already faster than 7800X3D and on par at gaming. Comparison has been done with UDIMM's because AMD doesn't support CUDIMM. All you need to do is lift to 5.1 E Cores/4.1 Cache with CUDIMM 8400 and 285K is on top. Very minor change. Take in count OS win doesn't fully support Arrow Lake and BIOS's are updated almost daily. These results don't even have new updates included. Only handful of 285K's were released. We can only guess why. The missing component seems to be Battlemage. Are we testing the Arrow Lake and fine tuning it? Or are we waiting for the Battlemage to be ready? That much I know if you got the 285K you won the lottery because no one else has it. There is huge potential for the CPU. "9800X3D will be about 8-10%" but INTEL has already beaten 7800X3D. Plus there is lot more to come. We are talking about product that hasn't been launched yet. Maybe it is only 5%. And the 9800X3D only supports 5600 UDIMM RAM. AMD is loosing 10-15% on RAM support alone.

[@Ziyoblader]

And don't forget to that that 8 to 10% faster on average is on 1080p not higher resolutions which will be even lower percent

[@paulboyce8537]

@@Ziyoblader No one ever runs 4090 at 1080p.

[@ATestamentToTech]

9800x3d + 5090 = God tier gaming

[@jehajdeloo752]

no bro, 9950x3d + 5090

[@Shinto1868]

I'm a big Intel fanboy and I took the arrow to the knee 😭 I can't defend this, I'm finally buying a AMD product.🥵

[@S1n1st3r0n3]

Let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll?

[@Shinto1868]

@@S1n1st3r0n3 I don't understand your reference, can you please clarify what you're saying?

[@skingdomnkingdom8861]

Me too, I'm with AMD from now on. They just better now

[@PwntifexMaximus]

@@Shinto1868 Do you get to the Cloud District very often? What am I saying, of course you don't.

[@oneanother1]

X3d9800 should be only good for 4090 and up, I don't think its going to benefit anything below that. The Intel part is fine, but its too expensive to upgrade to, for most gamers. I'll wait until I can afford a 4090, like in a couple more years.

[@R6ex]

9800X3D + 5090 build ... can't wait!!

[@nerdynumen]

Yessir, boarding the same train as ya, and the destination will be nice 8)

[@_GIDO]

I would wait for 9950X3D

[@nerdynumen]

@_GIDO for less gaming performance like the 7950X3D? I'm good bro, but nice take, perhaps spend your money with that advice, for your pc 8)

[@ZackSNetwork]

At 4K it will perform just like Zen 4.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

@@_GIDO Apparently the chiplet favors more content creative performance the reviews are already out and its slower then the 7950x3d & 5800x3d

[@bios9678]

AMD is definitely going to have higher prices for these CPUs since the demand will be high. Arrow Lake being a flop means guaranteed market share from gamers even at higher prices

[@Lionel212001]

It's not a bad thing. They can use that money for R&D spend.

[@sspringss2727]

​@Lionel212001 yea but unfortunately those extra usually go to the greedy a. S. S shareholders.

[@Lionel212001]

@@sspringss2727 I am one of those. Don't hate.

[@hdz77]

Its only $30 more, 9800X3D $479.99

[@Zarozh]

@@hdz77 Yea AMD aint stupid with this. They going for that mindshare blow to Intel shills who cant look to best gains for money: And 3D stacked memory showed Intel is lightyears behind. Pre-ordering mine on 7th of November ^^

[@bios9678]

Good luck buying one of these at launch 😂

[@Oliwav]

Who's in a hurry? I am updating next quarter

[@mrfarts5176]

​@Oliwav What's a quater?

[@gamingcomputers7485]

​@@mrfarts5176he probably meant quarter.

[@gamingcomputers7485]

Sorry if my eng is bad tho.

[@Oliwav]

@@gamingcomputers7485 yes, I type too fast, missed r

[@Bloodysugar]

Pretty strange to see RAM compatibility is 3600 and 5600Mhz when AMD announces the best frequency is 6000 but is compatible up to 8000.

[@atsugnam0]

the 3600 is pre expo - which doubles it. When booting, you'll see the base speed pre-expo.

[@SuperAbo1]

IntelFunClown play w Cinebench (OPTIMAZED INTEL) not real soft games, maybe find synthetic test optimized for amd??? and result base on him?

[@BTAT2101]

I think it will be 2-10% depending on each game in comparison to the 7800X3D and story is over. Too much stories on KZbin about this.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

People hyping this up just to look dumb when it cost almost $700 on launch, only people with the unlimited money glitch will buy this to pair with their 5090's

[@aberkae]

$479 rumored from Videocardz website.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@thetheoryguy5544Nah it doesn’t matter because if you game at 4K it should be no different from a 13700K.

[@christophermullins7163]

You're wrong. More like 7-15% for sure. Sometimes higher.

[@Dazzxp]

@@ZackSNetwork In average fps sure because of the GPU bottleneck, but 0.1% lows is typically dictated by the CPU side as assets and textures are being loaded and having a larger pool of cache and far reaching branch prediction helps with that. My old RTX2080 was maxed out with a 3900X, swapping it to a 5800X3D while average fps was still the same my minimum fps was more than doubled making game play significantly smoother with consistent frame delivery times..

[@Zimooo]

Even though i'm AMD fan i believe 9000x3d series are overhyped (not overrated tho). Not as big improvment as they are calling it. Also in the times where games are more GPU bounded than ever unless you are willing to play in 1080p on high-end setup you will not feel the difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d..

[@nerdynumen]

That's me bud, I got a 4K144hz OLED TV for when my 4090 can spin the block, and a 1080p390hz monitor for daily use.

[@sspringss2727]

It's crazy how a lot of responses address the 9000 series as if the ppl upgrading to it are coming from the 7000 series. Well I'm coming from a 3960x threadripper and a 5950x zen 3 system. My wife is coming from a zen 2 part and my brother is coming from an Intel 5930k system. Yall need to stop assuming that everyone is "you". I'm all for spending an extra $20-30 for a newer product, if it's worth it.

[@nerdynumen]

@@sspringss2727 chill man

[@Zimooo]

@sspringss2727 if only my comment was about upgrading from 7000 to 9000..

[@low_etc]

Good, less people to compete with. This will be instantly sold out at $479 as the price is very reasonable, especially compared to Error Lake.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

1:59 I think you meant EXPO, even though some motherboards support both.

[@n9ne]

jay2cent said that 9800x3d makes all older charts look small. so amd isn't joking about 20% uplift. intel is cooked.

[@Demonoid1990]

I'm probably gonna end up going with AMD for now. Been on Intel for ages and I like what they're attempting with Arrow lake.. but it needs a little more refinement. After talking with some more experienced overclockers and system builders I think I'll just go with 9950X3D for now. May check in on Intel again once were closer to Nova lakes debut. Especially if that rumored 52 core (16p/36e) skew ends up on the market. That's one thing Intel is missing right now that others have also mentioned is a good Halo product to rally behind. Intel used to have their extreme series CPU's with the 9980xe and 10980xe along with an absurd MSRP lol. I think they should bring back the extreme series. Ultra Extreme 9 485XE Ultimate Dominator CPU lol (Seems to be how marketing thinks..) Also saw an article about the Biostar X870E Valkyrie motherboard. Hopefully it launches along with X3D. I really like the fratures and rear IO on the board. It's got a pretty clean basic aesthetic to, not completely slathered in neon colors RGB and chrome. I really like the Asrock Z890 boards too.. but Arrow Lake seems like more of a prototype than a product atm.. Hopefully Intel can offer something enticing based off of it in 2-3 years.

[@Lukeless123]

I like how amd released the announcement right after this video

[@psour33]

I had a 7800X3D but I changed for a 7950X3D and I like it better. I'll wait for a 9950X3D (if there is one).

[@R6ex]

Hope 9950X3D can outperform 9800X3D in game! 🙏

[@nerdynumen]

@@R6ex He better huff some copium!

[@ZackSNetwork]

The 7800x3D is superior to the 7950x3D in gaming.

[@psour33]

@@ZackSNetwork not here otherwise i'd refund it.

[@nerdynumen]

@psour33 so, are all the graphs wrong, or do you know something we don't? Cause I'd just like to know the game(s) being refrenced so I can watch some framerates

[@Game_LevelUp_]

What a lot of people miss out on is the fact that you can get a 7800X3D with a B650 motherboard and a 32GB 6000 RAM for mess than a high end Z790 motherboard like the Apex, that point you missed when you mentioned yourself being the owner of a 14900K paired with such OC focused board without forgetting the expensive ram and cooling. Comparing the X3D parts to any tuned Intel chip is simply stupid, especially when missing out on the most important factor which is price/ performance figures. Even the 9800X3D with it's 480$ price tag still a good value proposition compared to those power hungry delidded and fine tuned 14900K or KS + 8000MT/s RAM + Direct Die cooling and so on.

[@voodoo9077]

Would this a good upgrade from my amd 3900x 4.2ghz?

[@ao6679]

It'll be like you upgrading from a Honda civic to a Lomborghini 😁

[@voodoo9077]

@ao6679 woooooah . Time to upgrade!

[@roanbrand7358]

that overclock! if even 5.4 or 5.5 is common on decent mid-priced cooling it will be insane!

[@sspringss2727]

People complaining about a 479 price... remember the 8 core 16 thread 1800x cost 500 usd at launch.

[@pkmobius]

not to mention there will definitely be bundles and discounts a few months since launch

[@gametestinglab8861]

I remember Ryzen 7 1700X being 300$. One year later 140$ with cooler included. I got I7 13700K a 16 core for 250$. Which is between 3-6% slower than 7800X3D. And it’s 16 core. So i have to pay 130$ more for having half of cores for a performance within the margin of error and don’t say anything but be happy! Really?

[@jeffwu2005]

@@gametestinglab8861 just buy INTEL CPU already, stop complaining.

[@Pugwash07]

I’m highly suspicious about the 9800X3D - there’s a reason why AMD are making the 7800X3D so hard the get, my guess is they’re going to hike the price by a significant margin😔

[@smileinurhand]

Intel & AMD need more improvement. Intel Price is also too much for this spec 👎 Mac M4 is rocking the field with Les Cost. We can buy a Mac mini M4 at an Intel VGA cost nowadays.

[@BigDGolf-23]

I call within 10% a tie. I'm definitely not going to notice on my 1080p monitor. I also don't use ray tracing.

[@saricubra2867]

I got a massive +120% singlethread increase and 7 times floating point speed on a CPU upgrade, Haswell i7 non K chip to Alder Lake i7 K 🤪. IPC wise anything after Alder Lake has been mediocre or meh, exceptions are the 7945HX and the Core i9-13980HX (7800X3D's supposed gaming efficeny is pretty overrated compared to both).

[@themarketgardener]

The resolution you’ll notice it the most is 1080p. It’d be better to say you won’t notice it on 4K res on most games.

[@MbV9320]

With the X3D Pa🐔rts

[@somebodyrand0m280]

Is it even worth talking about Intel anymore? They obvisouly cant get their sh*t together and We kinda already know whats going to happen in 9800x3D vs ARL.

[@maxyakovi1423]

I have a 7800x3d, is it worth selling it and getting a 9800x3d?

[@R6ex]

Nope ... unless $$$ no object.

[@alrecks619]

hold on to it and wait for 10800X3D or whatever the heck they're going to call it.

[@lil----lil]

Wait for the 9950X3D next year! This will be the BEST CHIP hands down. Lots of degenerates are _super confused._ It's NEXT YEAR dong dong.

[@arik2216]

So what about productivity ? Not everyone plays game.

[@alrecks619]

9000X3D parts will not compromise productivity for gaming, as a matter of fact, the 3D V Cache finally helps with some productivity loads, now that the clockspeed is the same with non-X3D parts, for the first time.

[@teethashaquan5395]

It's DoA at that price lol. Not many people bought the 7800x3d even when it was at $380 + free board and RAM lol. At nearly $500 it's irrelevant.

[@ksenchy]

I hope they add CUDIMM support soon. 9000 series won't so it's just a skip for me

[@sspringss2727]

Umm who told u that... my board is cudimm ready(albeit pending bios update).

[@ksenchy]

@sspringss2727 which board

[@sspringss2727]

@ksenchy x870 i from asus

[@ksenchy]

@@sspringss2727 looks like the boards support it, the question is the CPUs too

[@Patrick73787]

AM5 doesn't support CUDIMM.

[@rangersmith4652]

Sorry to say, this is my prediction: 9800X3D will get great reviews, will launch at retailers, and will almost immediately become unobtainable at its very high MSRP of $549 US. Why $549? No competition, and history tells us that gamers will open their wallets. But again, its MSRP is a moot point.

[@kingananas2.0]

They said it's $479

[@rangersmith4652]

@@kingananas2.0 That's a surprise, but let's see if it can actually be bought for that price.

[@Tugela60]

What happens when CUDIMM memory becomes available at the end of November? You know, the memory the ultracore 2 processors were designed to use?

[@Theworthsearcher]

Same story as RAMBUS at P4... Big hype, expensive and just a bit faster. And the architecture was really bad that time.

[@DaMAger23]

I'm still tempering expectations. Because AMD has had a history to literally trip on its face when they are ahead or should be going for Intel's jugular (so to speak). The Zen 5 non x3d chips that came out was so underwhelming, that I simply can't get overly excited for the x3d parts yet. With the Intel Ultra chips being a joke for gaming, the x3d chips need to perform without any underlying issues (i.e. windows scheduler, or unlimited power profiles, etc).

[@ItsBigEz]

Lmao $500 for an 8 core

[@dummyaguilar8581]

I used intel ever since. now i give up haha :( AMD next year upgrade!

[@Th3Adjuster]

honestly jus gonna buy a 9700x and overclock it cuz like man the price scalping is gonna be insane for any x3d chip

[@nick-dogg]

I do game, but every game I play runs fine on older hardware. I think too many people focus on hardware and not game developers that use recycled content and releasing crappy games. They focus more on selling upgrades in their store making it pay to win.

[@mikebruzzone9570]

9800X3D TSMC price to AMD that is AMD cost range $152 to $159 before AMD high volume customer, mid volume, tray mark up. I estimate 2.6 M units. Arrow disaster it's not just an Intel or MS scheduler question. Applications developers and certainly game dev extort Intel and AMD for payola to optimize their games. AMD, Intel, Nvidia can certainly educate, train and provide tools but ultimately it's up to application developers to do their own optimizations for every new architecture in the hardware software collaborative. This reality is as old as every Real Time Operating System and the question when to optimize always falls to volume and attach rate aka potential. Arrow as it is currently, what OEMs ordered for enterprise customer PC power efficiency verse Raptors, 1 HT system security and warranty assurance. Yea, AMD and Intel are racing and relying on the 80% whole product rule. GPU benefit from 'fine wine' optimization over time? So do CPU architectures from application compiler optimization; branch and targets I believe it is referred. AND well Danhy, if fast memory on the Intel side to make up for new and waiting latency address, that affects AMD too, and with 3D ability to run an application in L3 buffer, resolves to hide architecture issues and platform CPU memory bus saturation issues on the AMD side as well. All about hiding sins of one sort or another. Ha, Projekt RED, CyberPunk 2077, bad or good example let me think on that a dev lagging on their Arrow optimization? I'd bet they have their hand out "pay me pay me". You can see that fact on other including open world titles that perform much better. mb

[@BillyG-l7p]

Expect a $499 price Can't see it any lower than that Officially, AMD says the 9900x3d is 8% faster yet unless you have a 7800x3d already, your choice is the cooler & new @ $499 with better thermals & overclocking support or the old @ $480 Either way, AMD'S accounts get a boost

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

They already announced it's $479 hours before your comment...

[@rattlehead999]

the 9000 series as a whole aren't worth it over the 7000 Non-X and soon X3D series because the price difference is huge while the performance uplift is minimal. Also I wouldn't call Arrow Lake disaster, it's got slightly worse performance(up to 10% slower) while running at 60% the power of 14th gen and the prices are lower than AMD's offerings, so even though AMD is still overall a better purchase, unless you are doing exactly what Arrow lake is strong at, Arrow lake is the best release since Intel's 10th gen.

[@forog1]

60% power from the 14th gen is still fairly high for CPUs. and they are not 10% slower. They are unstable and fluctuate between as great as 40% slower. They are just not a good buy atm no way you look at it. Intel's CPUs atm are half baked and needed to stay cooking a bit longer before release.

[@mrfarts5176]

I would not buy any intel cpus after 12th gen. They are not stable. I have a 3770x that is still functional. I would not trust any of the last 3 gens. I would take an am4 build over 14th gen.

[@rattlehead999]

@@forog1 True, but they also do have a lot of cores and Skymond E-Cores are basically raptor lake P-Cores in terms of IPC and have the exact same instruction set, they are only missing AVX512 compared to the Lion Cove P-Cores. Hyper-Threading became pointless with Meteor Lake and even more so with Lunar/Arrow Lake, so that's the other big difference. There are a few games where that(up to 40%) happens true, but that is more of a software issue along with the increase in memory latency, most likely windows and is concerning the scheduling between the P and E cores and memory access and scheduling. As time passes on, Windows will get better at managing them hopefully. As for stability, I haven't heard anything about it. Shouldn't they be stable now that they consume a lot less power? Also they run pretty cool for their power draw.

[@itsjakeeeog]

I upgraded from a 10900k to an ultra 7 and I couldn't be happier since I'm going SFF this gen intel was great for me since I don't have to undervolt or anything whilst getting even better temps with lower power draw. Also, people really have been sleeping on the performance for everything except gaming, seriously this Gen Intel is the best choice for productivity atm. To anyone upset by the lower performance this cpu simply was not made with gaming performance as the focus and overall this is a huge step in the right direction hopefully enabling intel to become more competitive with amd down the line.

[@saricubra2867]

"best release since Intel's 10th gen" What the hell was Alder Lake then with the 19% IPC from Golden Cove?

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Probably will be another disappointing release, 5~15% depending on the game and $600...

[@christophermullins7163]

No bad products.. only bad prices. At $600 it will sell out because it is by far the fastest CPU available. If it sells out.. is it a bad price? Or is it correctly priced for AMD to capitalize on all its hard work to get ahead of Intel? 🤷

[@kingananas2.0]

It's priced at $479

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@christophermullins7163 disappointing gen on gen gain, but i will wait for the reviews

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@christophermullins7163 dissapointing gen on gen gain

[@christophermullins7163]

@@Gustaviustwinkelberry 7700x to 9700x.. yes. Not for x3d.. it is not the same comparison.

[@curie1420]

id expect less

[@Oz-gv5fz]

$479 🤩

[@thetheoryguy5544]

What's the point when its going to cost an arm and a leg? ARL performs around 7800x3d with CUDIMM and will probably still beat this thing in productivity task. I'd say get an older X3d chip or Ultra 7 with CUDIMM if you want to be on a more up to date platform and do creative work. If your gaming in higher res I wouldn't waste money on the fastest CPU and use that extra cash on a better GPU.

[@R6ex]

X3D - better gaming performance, cheaper CPU, cheaper motherboard with longer platform support, cheaper RAM, less power-hungry, less heat, lower temps, better longevity

[@thetheoryguy5544]

@@R6ex Then go with a 7800x3d. And If your upgrading from an older platform none of that other stuff matters anyways.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@R6exx3D will not be cheaper and it’s best at gaming specifically.

[@sspringss2727]

Intel marketing surely works... amd needs some of that copium. Cudimm expensive af, x670/b650 board exists. No need to go x870 and 9000 series other than the 9950x is just as cheap as the 7000 series at least in the US.

[@Oz-gv5fz]

You can buy 9800x3d with the same price as CUDIMM stick...

[@paulboyce8537]

BULLSHIT. 5.1 E Cores/4.1 Cache with CUDIMM and it is par. INTEL is so underpowered and so much ahead on productivity even on UDIMM and out of the box. OS doesn't even support Arrow Lake fully and MB's are so far from optimal BOIS that it is not even funny. Add to that the low end MB's and ASUS that are really weak. INTEL released a handful of 285K's just to get some feedback. It is to keep MB manufacturers at check. Plus the real performance for gaming comes with Battlemage that is obvious from the lack of Hyper-Threading Technology and very strong E Cores.

[@ridleyroid9060]

Watch this be 9800X3% over 7800x3D

[@frantavopicka5259]

Still better than Core Ultra -2.85%K

[@HondaCivicat3AM]

I'm keeping my 13900KF CPU, its doing good for me.

[@alrecks619]

you can hold on for 2 more generations with that chip, tbqh.

[@HondaCivicat3AM]

@ who knows if I can, only if it doesn’t kill its self to death by over vaulting itself. lol

[@alarik95]

Imagine posting this 1 hr before the announcement video

[@fabiusmaximuscunctator7390]

The website is pronounced "guytshulls". It's German and means cheapskate or miser.