AMD's "Future-Proof" FX-8370 in 2020 (CPU Benchmarks, Overclocking, & Revisit)

AMD's FX-8370 CPU was supposed to be future-proof with its 8 "cores," so we're benchmarking the Bulldozer / Piledriver FX-8370 in 2020 vs. AMD Ryzen CPUs and Intel 10-series CPUs.
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The AMD FX CPUs were lackluster enough that, in their later years, most Intel CPU reviews were entirely Intel vs. Intel (like the 6700K, 6600K, 4790K, 4690K). AMD didn't really show up to the fight. Now, it's almost going the other direction in some tests. The Intel 10-series CPUs have become competitive enough to keep 14nm in the ring for a while longer, but mostly in gaming workloads. As Intel works on getting its newer architectures together, AMD is gaining ground each launch. In production tests, it is often just AMD showing up to the fight. Today, we're going backwards in time to a different era for AMD, where the company delivered one lackluster product after another, to see how the advertising has held-up to reality. It's been a major turn-around for the company, and to really put into perspective how big the changes have been, we should look back to the AMD FX-8370 CPU vs. AMD Ryzen 3700X, 3600, 3900X, and Intel i5-10600K, 10900K, and similar CPUs.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD's Pre-Ryzen Architecture
01:36 - Steve's FX-8370 Computer at Home
02:56 - Remembering Architecture & Product Specs
06:06 - GTA V (2015's 2013 Game)
07:53 - Three Kingdoms: FX-8370 vs. Ryzen, Intel
09:27 - Red Dead Redemption 2 CPU Benchmarks
10:30 - Hitman 2 CPU Benchmarks
11:43 - F1 2019 FX-8370 in 2020
13:10 - The Division 2 CPU Benchmarks
14:14 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider Best Gaming CPUs
15:33 - Blender 2.81 Cycles Render CPU Benchmarks
16:47 - Adobe Premiere CPU Render Benchmarks
18:03 - Chromium Code Compile CPU Benchmarks
19:44 - Conclusion: FX-8370 Upgrades
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[@thomasoleson2651]

Steven.

[@kevin34ct]

I have the same CPU. I have a second one that I got for free by an Amazon mistake.

[@newdeathscope]

Does the mod mat hold up to solvents?

[@GamersNexus]

@@newdeathscope It's a heavy duty rubber mat. If you dump a vat of acid on it, it'd probably not be good. If you're talking acetone, rubbing alcohol, CRC/contact cleaner, stuff like that, then the rubber holds up well against it. You shouldn't expose the painted areas for prolonged time to solvents.

[@leexgx]

Yet people are selling these cpus are high price on ebay (wants to be a 8 core but is 4 core) fx cpus for around £100 just for the cpu (I can buy full i5 4590 systems for less then £100 that probably be far faster) then again people do the same for i7 old cpus as well the Type A and FX cpus single threaded performance seems more comparable to a core2duo (it's quite noticeable difference when you use a type A/fx cpu vs a 4th gen i5)

[@funknugget6334]

Imagine Steve from Gamer’s Nexus having a worse personal rig than most people reading this comment. Crazy.

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

that's like the guys from the Grand Tour, old top gear trio, drove a rusted out Ford Pinto as a daily. XD

[@GamersNexus]

@@z590iGeeeKReBoRN I mean, I played games 40 hours a week when I started the site. Now I run the channel 80-100 hours a week. Easy enough math. I still keep up and follow the industry. I get about 1-2 hours of games per week right now and mostly play at the office if I want to (6800K with half the memory channels populated and a 1080 Ti, but that's still 100% fine for RTS/grand strategy style games). My commitment and dedication is to providing good data for the community, and that takes most of the time in my life. Most spare hours are spent biking or being away from computers, which I think is good. It means I'm an enthusiast, not a consumer, and that makes for a good reviewer since I don't actually personally get excited for the part launches. I get professionally excited/interested, but that's different and a good distinction for an objective reviewer.

[@ggs1019]

@@GamersNexus Get yourself at least like an r5 3600

[@Prootus]

@@GamersNexus Love you

[@50H3i1]

I have a core 2 duo

[@ShortHandedNow]

This is like finding out that Lewis Hamilton secretly daily drives a 1999 Hyundai Accent at home...

[@aaz1992]

Probably does lol (not really. He has a supercar collection)

[@bozoc2572]

Duddeee. Hyundai accent from 1999 is a dope car. It is fairly soft to drive, easy and cheap to maintain and has okay gas milage. Great family car.

[@Skidd2]

@@aaz1992 Would YOU drive a super expensive car like a daily driver? so... I would not be surprised.

[@TechWizMaster]

never underestimate a 99 Accent...

[@Paul_Sleeping]

And he only needs 3 working wheels. See F1 race from this past weekend for reference.

[@zeemonkeyman1]

I’m not surprised Steve’s personal rig isn’t the best, I mean look at most mechanics they drive around in buckets of shit 😂

[@probablykeen]

so true! leave it to the professionals to be able to "fixerup" and make it run til it literally dies

[@fourbyfourblazer2]

Mechanics are not rich but we don't go hungry.

[@zeemonkeyman1]

Christo Clark Yeah I know, I’m not saying they have no money I’m just saying they don’t care about the state of their vehicles. I’m an Electrician and the same goes for us, we do a stellar job for everyone else couldn’t give two shits if a PowerPoint is hanging off the wall in our own house lol

[@StaticVapour590]

@@fourbyfourblazer2 We know the bare minimum condition of car it can run. If it makes some clunking noise, then it makes. Paintwork is bad, then it is bad

[@fourbyfourblazer2]

@@StaticVapour590 , thanks!

[@iMadsLiCeNdIcE]

I finally upgraded from my FX 8370 to a Ryzen 2700 in early 2019 and it made a world of difference for gaming and general productivity. That 8370 got me through college and I still haven't retired it. I set it up with 32GB of ECC memory and a PCIe SSD and it has made a great albeit inefficient ESXi home lab.

[@Zaptosis]

I'm still using an FX 8350 & its what I record all my videos on, render on, game on, etc. It does what I need so no point in upgrading. I don't really play demanding games & I don't feel like lag is holding me back in anything, its good I like it

[@somehow_not_helpfulATcrap]

I had a choice in late 2014, 4770k or 8370. The 4770k was much more expensive and the board was more expensive too. I ended up going with a 4770k that I didn't regret but I easily spent 2/3rds more on that build because going with any old Q87 doesn't mean you'd get a high end high reliability board (fuck you MSI) and I had budgeted for a high end and quiet CPU cooler with the 8370 build that I had to omit from the 4770k build for a while. Necro comment I know but Jesus, a part most of a decade old that was cheaper than the competitors but not that far behind doesn't beat an almost new low end part 5 years its junior doesn't mean its crap. It means someone is being pedantic. A 4770k is today about on par with a Ryzen 2400g, also about 5 years its junior and comes with a Geforce 1030 tier iGPU.

[@mcatoz3438]

​@@somehow_not_helpfulATcrapTHANK YOU, YOUR COMMENT LITERALLY HELPED A LOT RN

[@Hardwareunboxed]

"FX-8370, and that is what I am still using" Okay well we can no longer be friends long hair Steve, we had a good run but sorry that's just too much.

[@Supcharged]

lmaooo

[@Sleepy_Js_Garage]

LOL! I can''t say much, I just upgraded last month from an fx-8300 to a threadripper 1900x for CAD work, Solidworks etc.

[@EthanB]

"long hair Steve" 😂

[@emi6388]

i think he just knows only zen 3 is worth to upgrade to..

[@sbeve7445]

This is so sad...

[@effrumtheretardo]

"City-builders, RTS games, is really my home genre" I see you are a man of culture as well.

[@Boborjan1986]

Feel, like it would be time for the community to send him a care package with something along a 3800XT. :D

[@KokoroKatsura]

a n i m e n i m e

[@unknownperson3691]

Attila Deák with a msi x570 gaming pro carbon, lian li lancool 2 or a Walmart PC case with the worst 800w psu one can think of.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Don't need a 2080 if you play VNs 5Head

[@Asdayasman]

You know, usually being "of culture" means the person has niche interests when it comes to anime and pornography. I'd love to think that Steve is hiding some crazy weeb stuff from us, but I dunno, he really doesn't seem the type.

[@ArchAngelRaceWerks]

"trying to build 6 years into the future... maybe you'll get lucky" [pets delidded i7-4770k running at 4.8Ghz like golum] "my precious"

[@eccodreams]

this makes me wonder how "future-proof" the 10700K will turn out to be when properly delidded somehow and OC'd to crazy numbers...

[@Phenom98]

@@eccodreams it won't be. The new standard is 8 Zen 2 cores starting later this year.

[@ApexierGS]

You know the Ryzen 3300X will outshine the Intel 4770k even if its overclocked to 4.8ghz, I have had both CPUs. The 4770k is more on par with Ryzen 1400X

[@isaacreilly915]

Burns i7-720 running at stock speeds and with hyperthreading turned off

[@secrethandlehuhu]

ApexierGS but he’s saying how the cpu lasted him 6-7 years. It kept up.

[@templet45]

I feel like the FX series is one of those weird things that apparently suck when looking at benchmarks, etc, but in real life work just fine. I had an FX 8350 rig OC to 5 GHz that still ran everything perfect with an RX480 at 1080p high settings...I have since upgraded to an R7 2700x but I loved my FX series and provided me with years and years of good performance at a really cheap price.

[@templet45]

@Jeff VR Corsair H55. Still runs perfect

[@Keimzy]

hahahaah exact same story here cheers man i gave it to my brother ill never forget it my favorite cpu ever so much fun to overclock

[@edgaraskorsakas5703]

@jeff _ Noctua D-15 works fine too. Temps always stays below 70'C. The hottest component is integrated USB 3 hub usually around 67'C. VRMs below 60'C. MB Sibertooth 990FX.

[@ikannunaplays]

I don't what went wrong for him in these benches cause I played GTAV on my FX-8350 @ 4ghz and an RX 580 and I get 144+ fps, Sane for Forklife on Epic @ 120fps, and WarZone on stock settings @ 120 fps. Seemed pretty future proof to me.

[@edgaraskorsakas5703]

@@ikannunaplays It seems there are two camps. Those who bought the cheapest hardware they could find and FX-8xxx (paying 2x CPU price for the build) and others who bought quality components with cheap FX-8xxx playing like 3-4x CPU price for the build. The first camp has horrible experience while others had great experience. For me FX-8350 is still very future proof, just because it does the job well. Sandy bridge would do the job equally well. If I need to do lots of encoding I will just get AMD TR with say 32 cores which will suck in games, but will do the job I need it to. Gaming and encoding is not the only CPU heavy work load ;) It is excellent for comparing products, but not that much comparing systems. That said FX-8350 build I have is the most stable I tried.

[@jackielyon87]

I used an 8350 since 2013 and just upgraded to a 3600 a few months ago. That thing got me through a lot.

[@perpetuallystoked]

Funnily enough, I just went from a i5-2400 to a 3600 as well

[@Straiferdt01]

@@perpetuallystoked literally upgrading right now to a Ryzen 5 3600 from an I5 2400 lol

[@severdislike4222]

Yep, had an 8350 in my build for yeeeeaaarrrrsss, just updated to a 3600 last year and lordy is the difference performance wise (especially in cad) impossible to ignore.

[@tb87670]

Same, 8350 to 3600. The old system still runs any game I want with it's 1060gtx, but my new system with a 1660Ti can drive my 165mhz monitor with gsync on those same games with higher settings.

[@ThatManitobaGuy]

I used a 965 BE from I believe July 2009 until last February 2019, upgraded to an 8350 for $100, then went to an all new system with a 3600 in January this year.

[@santinojoshuatorre1695]

Joke's on everyone here thinking they've got a better system than Steve. News Flash: He probably doesn't even go home.

[@jakegarrett8109]

I don’t think they even have duel Titan RTX for their testbench (that’s about what it would take to match my 4x Fury, which I’d love 4x Vega VII if they would allow it. It’s about double the performance of my Titan Xp collectors edition so with SLI scaling being crap for Nvidia I think it would be a tie vs duel Titan RTX with some small wins to the ancient dinosaur of Fury cards and some minor wins to the Nvidia cards, basically whichever brand the game has a preference too). I of course run this on a Threadripper since you really need 64 PCIe lanes for quad GPU, I laugh when people try even duel cards on a 9900k and wonder why it’s a stuttery mess when they have only 16x PCIe lanes... He does have me beat on the Threadripper currently. I was planning to get the TR-64 core but I didn’t have my cooler made (still need to). I’m wanting triple cascade phase cooling so I can hit -100c for the CPU under load, which should be enough for 5 GHz all 64 core. Currently my single stage is very small and would handle Threadripper as at most on FX-8350 at 1.7 Vcore I had max temp of -35c on the cooling head (something sub-zero on the core, it doesn’t show negative temps though) with idle temp of course colder around -60c. But that’s just a basic single stage and I of course want MORE POWA! Haha, I don’t care that my PC even with regular old water cooling uses 1.7 kW playing Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra at 100 fps, it would take many, many years for my electricity to add up to anything substantial especially compared to the $6k in GPUs it would take to match that performance and would still use 900w... I’m not worried about power draw until electric outlets are melting, which though I’ve melted a few power chords none have been from computers so I’m kind of surprised. Haha, I have fun Overclocking and playing with silly hardware configs, but it turns out most of my games run great on Crossfire so apparently it’s not so silly (now if only games used more than one monitor... I’ve yet to see a single game that doesn’t look broken when forced to run on my triple 4k setup, but then again I do 100x more mechanical and CAD design than gaming, so not like many gamers out there are trying to use multi-monitor anyways). FX is still great though, I just set my old one up wall mounted at my parents house as a gift since they needed something decent for desktop since their laptop died and they don’t really take it anywhere anyways. Nothing wrong with FX for gaming either (it’s plenty fast for the Titan Xp when I tested it at 4k, so it’s plenty good and I was very happy with it’s performance).

[@MindBlowerWTF]

@@jakegarrett8109 ok boomer

[@jakegarrett8109]

MindBlowerWTF not sure what being old and rich would be, but seeing as I’m 25 I believe you’re not using that term correctly.

[@Stabrinality]

@@jakegarrett8109 No one asked, because no one cares. Ew man.

[@haniffaris8917]

@@jakegarrett8109 wow, that's amazing, you must have a lot of ladies

[@greywizard2557]

"AMD didn't release any steamroller or excavator CPUs". Oh yes they did! AMD called them Ryzen and they've been used to dig AMD out of the hole they were in and flatten the competition.

[@raonipaes]

Lol, dude...we're talking about 2014, not 2017

[@ruxandy]

I guess the two guys who commented before me did not get the joke...

[@AvroBellow]

@TacticalMoonstone Wow, you didn't get that joke? You just made a complete fool of yourself. BRAVO!

[@AvroBellow]

@@raonipaes LOL dude... It was a joke and you're dumb because you didn't get it.

[@AvroBellow]

That's just awesome! LOL

[@EVPointMaster]

Steve saying he has an old rig "at home" is a bit misleading, considering he practically lives in the office

[@Boudicca-the-musical]

I have an "old rig" at home. She just told me she wants a divorce.

[@JustAGuy85]

@@Boudicca-the-musical Marriage is grand.. But divorce is 10 grand.

[@Robert-Wip]

5 Months ago i was still running on a AMD FX 8350 myself when doeing After Effects video Renders, Time it took at that time to finish them, around ~ 45 minutes. Now on my "new" AMD Ryzen 3900X, around ~ 3 minutes. So i am happy ;-)

[@danielm94437]

im deciding 3990x TR or 4th gen TR

[@0101_root]

Damn, what a reduction time :O

[@Amusia727]

Daniel Dassler For what applications?

[@Robert-Wip]

@@Amusia727 Adobe Premiere Pro, AfterEffect, Photoshop ....

[@danielm94437]

@@Amusia727 everything

[@harbingerdawn]

You can't future-proof with something that isn't even present-proof.

[@GamersNexus]

Wish I'd thought of this line for the video.

[@thegirthquake8574]

Imagine digging up a corpse only to deal ANOTHER killing blow. That's what you've just done.

[@dondraper4438]

@@thegirthquake8574 As someone who owned several FX chips in my time; I am glad he dug it up to kill it again.

[@TechWizMaster]

@@dondraper4438 Me too...to this day AMD still owes me 200$

[@dondraper4438]

@@z590iGeeeKReBoRN Zen delivered but FX was soooo fucking bad. It's the only reason I am really looking forward to Series X and PlayStation 5. CMT was the closest AMD could get to competing with Hypeethreading in 2011~2012 and it fucking flopped. Zen's SMT actually scales better than Intel's hyper threading. It's a testament to how the same company can release both gutter trash tier products and God tier products as well. Brand name alone shouldn't influence your purchasing decision.

[@javierortiz82]

I have a soft spot for the FX series, they do their work just fine, don't expect them to blow anything else out of the water though, I finished uni with them and had quite a blast upgrading from 4100, to 8320, to 6300, to 8350 with the same mobo and ram lmao, they're great for begginers on pc building and overclocking.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

My soft spot is with socket LGA775. For many things a fast Core 2 Quad is still capable, same for a Phenom II or FX

[@wtfuredead]

Psychiatrist: "Don't worry, future proofing does not exist, he can't hurt you" *looks in distress at i7 2600k*

[@demp11]

Looks at Zen 3 and gets relief

[@jayextarys8616]

Hey that was the cpu I had in my first build!

[@oblivionlord1242]

Definitely one of the most legendary CPUs ever made

[@jamesmicklewright2835]

@@oblivionlord1242 IKR, it's been 9 years, and I've only just gotten to the point that I'm considering upgrading my 2700K. Ryzen 5000 might be the one that gets me to upgrade, but probably only because my Z68 board is dying

[@JustAGuy85]

The first "good" Core ix generation lol. Those i7 2xxx's were bosses. I never had one but my little brother had one in a laptop w/ an HD6970m (that had to be baked in the oven several times). I think it was an i7 2760 or something. Coulda been a 2670 lol. I never could remember which. At that time, I had a Core 2 Quad. It was always cool to see how much faster that i7 was. Then I had an FX-8350. From that to the R5 3600 a few months ago lol. I dunno, there was just something about that FX-8350 I loved. I never considered going for that build, I was given an Asus M5A97 R2.0 for doing a job for a guy I knew like 7-8 years ago. I bought some DDR3 1866mhz RAM and a used FX-8350 on eBay. I remember being worried that it wouldn't be better than my Q6600. That's how much AMD hate was going around even back then lol. But I liked AMD, I had an Athlon 64 3400+ prior to my Core 2 Duo/Quad builds. But, anyways, it was a big upgrade. It got better as time went on. Not compared to i7's, sure... but the more a game could push that CPU closer to 100%, the better I felt about it. I (obviously) wasn't running a 2080Ti in my FX-8350 rig. It went through things like the HD7850, HD7870 and RX480 8GB. In most high CPU usage games, it was on par with or even better than i5 6600's WITH a card like the 480/1060. Oh, yeah, this was about old i7's. Yeah, those i7 2xxx's were beasts lol.

[@reblmarco]

Steve didn’t need to upgrade because if Jesus can turn water into wine, Tech Jesus can turn an Fx 8370 into a 3990x.

[@liviubita4238]

No way, man, that's cheating on a multiverse level. 😄

[@Toastmaster_5000]

lol well considering he underclocked it, seems he turned it into a 8350

[@ajbellis]

Good ole tech jeebus

[@StaticM223]

This comment was hilarious

[@Xeneonic]

@@Toastmaster_5000 8350 or cooking your pc. Not much of a choice there.

[@cjnewson88]

Pats my 8350 on the head* - 'see you're still relevant'

[@andrewt.5567]

That is what I am watching this on. It made my 8350 cry a little. It also seems to keep freezing up...but only when I try to google "AMD 4000 series release date"....hum.....

[@Venom012]

@@andrewt.5567 It knows... :p

[@ShehzadGilani]

Gave my 8350/RX570 to my son when I finally upgraded to 3600/5700XT and he can play everything well enough at 1080/60 so whatever.

[@MarshallRawR]

@@ShehzadGilani Almost everything. I have an 8350 and the only area it struggles are CPU intensive games or high IPC games (Ubisoft games for instance). I can't have a stable 60FPS with RDR2 for instance, mostly a locked 50FPS with drops in cities. It's definitely still kicking (and heating).

[@ShehzadGilani]

@@MarshallRawR yeah that's why I said well enough. It's definitely not breaking records but for him it's usable.

[@Mboever]

I've been running my 8350 on a Sabertooth 990fx for 7 years now, it's been pretty good for me for what I game, at least I thought so. I finally decided it was time to upgrade and I am building a Ryzen 3700x system now, I can't wait to get it built and compare!

[@russgifford]

Same for me, looking at upgrade options myself.

[@KiraHerdman]

I use a AMD FX 8350 with a 1050Ti. Run Cyberpunk 2077 and AC Valhalla at 60fps medium setting 1080p. It does everything I want so don't know why people complain about the CPU.

[@andressgomoso]

Sorry but the 1050ti can not run cyberpunk at 60 fps

[@metalismychim6536]

Yeah no. Upgraded from a 1050 and except you are playing in 480 you cant get 60fps

[@jeyendeoso]

we all know that steve keeps the fx-8370 so that his pc is a warm and comfy hotbox for snowflake to sit on.

[@crispy-k]

Meanwhile most intels cpu's: _90*c_

[@rtyzxc]

@@crispy-k Intel CPUs actually run cooler than AMD and still faster. The fact that you can overclock it even higher is just an extra feature, not a defining feature. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZS5iZaoftWqiLM

[@imo098765]

@@rtyzxc Intels defining feature is you can have the highest fps possible when you OC it to 5GHz. If you wanted a better balanced PC you would've gone AMD anyway, no point paying the extra money for the same experience.

[@Boradan01]

I just got rid of my FX-8350 Black Edition (With a noctua nh-14 cooler) a few weeks ago. My room is soooo much cooler now...

[@tskraj3190]

@@rtyzxc Haha no. The FX used more power but still ran much cooler than the Intels did. that's why the thermal limits on the FX 9590 was 58°C while the Intel i7 2600K was 80°C.

[@Ministrator03]

Still using an FX-8350. Runs everything i need on High settings. It runs hot as shit tho, so not sure how much longer mine will keep up after years of thermal stress

[@giu6525]

FX8320 here. Same for me, I can still runs most modern games fine on Ultra/High graphics. The rarely go above 65 C°, not that bad

[@mauriicio--i]

Another FX-8350 actual user here. I'm curious, what GPU do you have? I think I would get a 1650 Super

[@qkhuve]

I used a FX-8350 at 4.6GHz with a Noctua NH-D15. Ran pretty much everything well enough at ~65 C though I am so happy with my upgrade to the R5 3600. Gaming is SO much smoother (and ofc faster) and the responsiveness when opening browsers etc is just miles better.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

Got mine on liquid. Helped a lot and it's more silent than stock. But mainly it isolates the heat so in case airflow is more effective on the gpu.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

@@mauriicio--i I got a 5700 xt with mine. Don't do that unless you plan on replacing the cpu later. The high bottleneck creates instability and stuttering that wouldn't happen otherwise. Apparently. If you plan on playing open world games or games with lots of AI, you'll want to consider upgrading the cpu to hit the 50-60fps range. Not many titles are cpu intensive though.. but anything lacing good threading can tank the fps. Like multiplayer on Arma 3 getting like.. 20fps. Star citizen is also probably a game you could never play with this cpu.. You'd be fine with a 1650 though. Could probably go a little bit further with the GPU if I remember correctly.

[@Azrael_Garou]

Still rocking an FX-6300. These FX chips used on ebay still sell for close to "new" prices!

[@Fantastika]

Cause no one in their right mind would buy one

[@fourbyfourblazer2]

I've been using an FX6300 SINCE 2016. It works well. I bought a GTX970 Superclocked and it plays every game I want so I've been happy but I am building a new PC so this one will be donated to a tree or Steve if he wants it.

[@RWL2012]

I used an FX4100 from 2018 to 2020, now running a Ryzen 3 3200G :P

[@koreannom]

sold my fx 6300 for $50 AUD last year

[@Blacknyell0w]

I owned an FX 4300 for 3 years, Steve, so don't feel bad. I currently use a Ryzen 7 3700X now.

[@samho6102]

My A8-5500 is still working fine as my main PC. It cannot run AAA game, but it runs Indie games without any problem.

[@paulvancyber1979]

my threadripper 1950X still working fine!!! just bought it 3 years ago!!!!

[@MaliceVanguardTF2]

I Still have a FX-4300 in my system, like right now as i'm typing this.

[@easley421]

My brothers running an 8350 with a Titan GPU. Needless to say he's clueless about PC hardware. One of those guys with more money than brains

[@ThunderWolfUE]

i owned a 4300 for 8 years lol upgraded to a 2600 7 months ago using it with rx 5700 no complaints here

[@tagginondawal3961]

This is really funny. My friend and I were just talking about his PC how he's using a FX 8350 and R7 370. I told him to upgrade, but he keeps saying "I have an 8 core CPU". Perfect timing. Edit: he has been wanting to upgrade for a long time, but keeps putting it off because "i wanna see what else is new" and thus keeps waiting. He also wants to play games at 4K. But he insists 8 core is more powerful than a 6 core processor.

[@user-yv2cz8oj1k]

If he's happy just let him skip another generation and get more advanced tech or even more powerful new tech.

[@noahpaulette1490]

@@user-yv2cz8oj1k yeah I have big hope's for big Navi so I haven't been planning a build until it's available.

[@AdrianUsual]

Word, convince him to upgrade now, but wait until Zen 3 launches for the real feeding frenzy on 3rd gen parts

[@4m470]

He def needs a GPU upgrade. Just go 4K and bottleneck the GPU.

[@eclipsegst9419]

its funny that people brag about core count, when multicore is just a crutch for the pathetic drop off in ipc gains post sandy bridge. when graphine replaces silicon, we will go back to 1, 2, and 4 cores as standard sizes, with clocks over 10ghz. Programming a single application to use multiple cores is a massive waste of time and hampers its performance. It has to figure out where it can send data every time data is sent. Think of it like this, take a straight tube and pour water through it, take another tube, and split it into 6 smaller tubes, and then funnel those back into one tube. the water going thru the straight tube will always get to the other end faster, no matter how well you design the splits and funnels of the other. this is essentially how multicore programs work.

[@disruptivegarage]

i had an fx 8350, and i noticed that increasing the fsb has an insane amount of impact on the chip, i set mine to 263@4,6 ghz and it turned into an entirely different beast. got into the 1% on userbench on air,. but the ugrade to the 1600 af was noticable.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Did you also clock the Northbridge? That did a lot on Phenoms and also on FX.

[@FLMKane]

AMD still used an FSB on FX chips !?

[@Grmaz]

I still love my 8370! I hooked that computer up to my living room tv so my kids and I could do some casual gaming. 1080p 60fps is the target at anywhere from med/high - high settings, because I have it running on 16gb (2x8gb sticks) of 1866mhz memory and a reference RX480 8GB. I have 2 other computers (1600x & 1070ti for gaming and an A10-7850 for a file/plex server) and my 8370 is still my favorite. There is something comforting about not expecting too much and not constantly fiddling with overclocks and debloating. I just accept it for what it is. Turning down setting doesn't bother me on an older system, so I can just enjoy the game.

[@InDreamsYourMine]

Somewhere in a alternate universe, AMD released a 8 core Phenom III.

[@mal2ksc]

Somewhere in this universe, I bought a 1090T back in 2011, knowing I would not have much of an upgrade path. It's still my daily driver, since raw CPU kinda started to plateau right around then. Hard drives and video cards have come and gone and sometimes come back again, I went with an SSD for primary storage and haven't looked back, and may yet squeeze some NVMe goodness in there. It also has been a not-bad overclocker -- 3.9 all cores for a year and a half, then 3.8 all cores for four more years, and 3.6 all cores to present. I kinda spent the last decade pretending the FX series didn't exist. :)

[@kitecattestecke2303]

@@mal2ksc well the FX cpu's was bad, hot and slower even with double the cord count. The phenom ones are good office troopers and casual game cpus for cheap, you can even go with a "BE" variant which is 45W...like laptop CPU in a desktop and overclock the snot out of it for games. I did this years ago for my sister, low power draw silent office PC and loud and fast under load

[@mal2ksc]

@@kitecattestecke2303 The x6 also made about as good a budget audio workstation as there was at the time, and it's still quite enough muscle for that job, which is why I have no compelling need to upgrade.

[@akosVFR]

@@mal2kscSame here! 1100T@3.8GHz@1.45V (wasn't stable higher with even 1.55 Vcore), max 53 C. Has served me well since 2011!

[@glenwaldrop8166]

@@kitecattestecke2303 I've got an FX 6300 and a Phenom II x6 1055T. The Phenom II x6 was hot as hell, same power draw as the FX line. It was a 45nm CPU. It was clock for clock faster but didn't clock as high. My x6 topped out at about 3.6GHz, had to back it down to around 3.4GHz because of the temps, not stability. My FX 6300 runs 4.4GHz turbo, 4.0GHz base and is faster than the Phenom II x6, tho not by much.

[@merrychristmas3213]

So we need to thank AMD and it's 8370 for all the fantastic airflow cases out now 😂

[@deusexaethera]

My Noctua-aircooled 4.44GHz-overclocked FX-8370 (plus 16GB DDR3-2133 and a 228MHz FSB overclock) still gets 82nd percentile on the UserBenchmark desktop performance rating. Its workstation and gaming ratings are both down in the 40s, but that's because my video card is old -- a problem I will be fixing this weekend with a RTX 2060 Super. And no, I don't have a high-airflow case.

[@mddunlap03]

As a 5gh 8350 owner your not wrong

[@deusexaethera]

@@mddunlap03: Do you see any noticeable _real world_ performance improvement from running that CPU at such a high speed? Above 4.5GHz I stopped noticing any improvement except in benchmarks.

[@cjolney]

@@deusexaethera I'm using a phenom II processor, 16GB unbranded 1333mhz DDR3, on an asus m4a89gtd mobo. It originally came with a 9800GTX+ OC which only had 512mb vram. The mobo was lucky enough to come with internal graphics processing using the primary system memory, so I could run GTA V as it sits. I added a GTX1070 TI FE, and now I haven't found a game that challenges the PC yet when using reasonable settings. (High and medium across the board on a 50 inch 1080P panel and a 20 inch second panel). I can even stream movies for my friend while I run games on the with no hiccups or frame spikes. An RTX might not be necessary unless you just want one. The only place the RTX 2060 beats a 1070TI is in its multi load rendering, which is why it's a raytracing card, but on games that don't support it you're going to see identical results, in some cases the 1070TI actually beating the 2060 at the frame game.

[@cjolney]

@@deusexaethera I wrote all that and then saw you said 2060 super...

[@Derpuwolf]

I’m so impressed about the fact that you’re still running such an old setup when great budget prices have popes up.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

It's hard to upgrade. Well for me and my 8350 anyways. Can't just get a new cpu. Gotta get a new motherboard that supports it.. gotta upgrade from ddr3 to ddr4.. hot the target cpu I want and it's anywhere from $400-600

[@ThePaintballParadise]

@@Rin-qj7zt Same feeling here with my 8350. Also, when upgrading we now get m.2 nvme drive support which is another costly temptation. I estimate an upgrade for me would be about 1k.

[@MexicaliBenchmark]

Lol i use a macpro 3.1 (2008), as my main pc

[@ogkfabrication4180]

I upgraded from my 8350 to a new new b450 mobo and 3600x combo, 16 gigs of 3200mhz ddr4 and a 1tb m.2 for around 600cad, it was well worth it

[@Steinjung]

My main had a A8-5600k until last week. And with 32GB DDR3 ram and a good GPU I was still gaming with it 🤷‍♂️

[@horatiumarasescu6187]

Put it that way: single person always give the best advice regarding relationships. Long hair death metal Steve offers the best information about latest tech while using ancient CPU by today standards. Also, some PC users have the latest and the greatest and are baffled by the common command line. Knowing that you still use an AMD FX Steve, my respect for your work and channel doubled.

[@goingafk0]

Why is this me in both scenarios

[@JamesErath]

I'd be really curious to see how a Ryzen 9 3950X is doing 6 years from now

[@IvanOoze1990]

It could be a fine daily driver for about 13 years.

[@mackenziebullied4900]

@@IvanOoze1990 my i7 920 system turned x5650 6 core system has been for 10 years

[@4.0.4]

In all fairness, the FX-8370 didn't cost $750 at launch.

[@mackenziebullied4900]

@Jishi Katsu dont worry it should

[@nikityukvlad]

My guess is everyone and his dog will have a pocket quantum computer with 100500+ cores running 100500+ GHz

[@jekaufo]

Hi, Steave. Try to overclock nb speed, it was a weak point of fx chips, memory and cpu speed is not the the bottleneck

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks for the tip. We'll give it a shot on the next FX one we do!

[@prich0382]

The FP Schedular is the Bottleneck

[@rhekman]

I also had best luck with base clock overclocking FX. Running around 230Mhz base got me to 4.7Ghz all core, DDR3 to about it's XMP of 2133, and NB/HT over 2500Mhz. ​As @@GamersNexus mentioned, my biggest challenge was keeping the VRM temps in check on the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3-R4 motherboard, easily hitting 110C running Handbrake above 4.7Ghz all core. In 2020, seeing DDR3-2133 running at CAS latency 9 on 1.7volts seem like silly numbers.

[@chriscalderon1337]

Also a good motherboard is needed to keep VRM temp in check, like the Asus Sabertooth 990FX. The third revision even has a VRM fan mount. A Noctua NH-D15 is good enough to keep the CPU cool. My nephew is running an 8350 build with Vega 56 that I put together a couple years ago, it is good enough for the games he plays.

[@Sleepy_Js_Garage]

I found that my old fx-8300 had sweet spots in the BCLK, one around 247 mhz, and also up around 375 mhz. Crazy that these CPUs will actually go that far. I think it is tied into how fast one of the cache levels operates, cant remember for sure anymore.

[@williamlazenby314]

I was using that exact CPU for gaming until recently. It was fantastic and still works very well, it's now in my media server.

[@jaicha88]

I have a system that still uses the fx8350 that i've had since 2012. not a heavy gamer, but it still works great with routine maintenance and sdd upgrade. Hoping to push it another 4-5 years.

[@WayStedYou]

Higher cores taken to a higher court

[@thomasoleson2651]

Best comment.

[@GW41Scriptor]

That burns hotter than the core itself, dude, damn... ;D

[@FeuerblutRM]

Feel sorry for AMD, though. At the time they launched their bulldozers it still wasn't clearly defined once and for all what a true stand-alone physical core is. Technically their CPU had 8 physical cores but configurated as 4 dual-cores due to shared memory. I give them the benefit of the doubt it wasn't fraud back then.

[@anhiirr]

@@FeuerblutRM can we really expect these intel 7nm or duel cpu on 1 die.........OPTIONS to fare any better or can we expect intel to go......oh you didnt set the ram and NB right......its on you. Oh and you can only have viability if you run a custom h20 loop too........if you buy into this socket/platform KEK.

[@AvroBellow]

That was such a bullshit lawsuit. CPU cores are x86 cores and x86 cores are INTEGER CORES! The FPU is x87 architecture and used to be called a "math co-processor" which you had to pay extra to get. Intel didn't put the FPU on the same die as the CPU until the release of the 80486DX-33. A CPU core has ALWAYS been the integer core, something that was established for over a decade before they were put on the same die. I'm old enough to remember that because my first build as a child had an Intel 80286-16 CPU back in 1988.

[@returntohome330]

I just retired my FX8350 this year i have been running this series of processor since 2013!

[@GamersNexus]

Wow! Good lifecycle on it. What'd you upgrade to?

[@returntohome330]

@@GamersNexus Ryzen 5 3600 & RX5700XT i'm super happy with the upgrade!

[@kantyDarius]

I'd sold my FX 8320 last year then I got my loved R5 3600 ❤️❤️❤️

[@Louis-kb3jh]

I did exactly the same thing

[@DerKrieger107]

I'm still using my 8350 in my one NAS actually. Was my main system for a while. That chip was really fun to OC. Slow as it was. Ran it at 5.1 on the daily for many years under a Kraken X60. Hit 5.2 stable but the power was just too high. Now it is underclocked and undervolted in the NAS. Still humming away quite happily.

[@Peterowsky]

"at $$$ dollars is a sensible upgrade" Yes, but let us factor in the cost of the motherboard and RAM too, because those aren't optional Steve.

[@raresmacovei8382]

Up until September 2019 I was using an FX 6300 at 4.5 GHz (used it for 6 years). I never had any complaints really. I was 95% of the time GPU bottlenecked with a 560 Ti, HD 7850, 280X and 780. All complaints about Piledrivers CPUs were greatly exaggerated. Bulldozer though? (with lower IPC, vastly lower clocks and lower OC capabilities? Yeah, those are a different story).

[@vx550]

Imho its true amd its crap at that time. Iam fooled by marketing gimmick " future proof" because so many fans boy amd at that time say that .. when iam switching to i5 3rd gen now i know how stupid iam that time not follow my heart and to much listen this future proof gimmick by fanboyism and get bad experience at gaming (i do revisiting my game and its absolutely increase performance but i already finished with this crap experience by amd). but get positive side amd have money to improve and surviving.. iam went to pentium to athlon to phenom 2 to fx and back to i5 and want to upgrade to ryzen series. Fanboyism its bad its misguided people. Iam being fooled and iam not knowing fooling people who trust me.

[@raresmacovei8382]

@Salt Maker Nope, I really wasn't.

[@vx550]

@Salt Maker i remember angried at my hd 4870 in local forum event buy its cooler because i think this gpu is have heat issue (throtling its self) it cant be processor (my mind at that time because iam upgrading from phenom 2 to fx and later upgrading my gpu too , i think hd 4870 its the culprit), at that time game its highly dualcore so my six core not doing anything (like gpu bottleneck) i remember game like starcraft and race genre etc more get performance hit by processor

[@TheAsymmetrical]

@Salt Maker Not like you would have an economic incentive to insist that he's being held back, no? Far too much wasted silicon sitting in the ever-expanding landfill that is our planet because of marketing hype. The 6300 was a capable little chip for its price and it did get extremely cheap around 2014-2015. shoutout to the 280x as-well

[@TheAsymmetrical]

@Salt Maker My man, someone told you point-blank twice that they were perfectly fine running that 6300 for 6 years and you turned around and asserted that they weren't, you may very well be honest; but that doesn't mean you're right. The IPC doesn't mean shit if there isn't a necessity for it. If it can handle the demands of the users gaming habits then who the fuck cares about some arbitrary, ever-shifting goalpost of "being held back" The 6300 was released in 2012 and was still, in a lot of real-world instances; within an acceptable margin of Intel's 6th gen i3s. When I put on some big boy pants and bought a 5820k, I was obviously blown out of the water when it came to rendering but it never really affected my gaming performance in a way that would have justified the near 500 euro delta between the price I bought the 6300 and the 5820 with all contigencies accounted for. Especially given I was running a 4k display and the CPU was never going to be my issue. Been building a long time as-well, just looks like one of us never grew out of the infantile trench of marketing buzz and performance for the sake of performance, champ.

[@Nik-ff3tu]

Even when you're GPU bound, just about any RTS game will still benefit greatly from a faster CPU.

[@bushkangarutha7849]

The stuttering probably doesn't help either

[@matan8074]

Essentially when dealing with paradox games.

[@userPrehistoricman]

Even if it's not an RTS game. I upgraded from a 3930k to 3600x and got much better fps in Planetside 2 despite being GPU-bound. That game's a CPU hog :)

[@commandurrazor]

My fx-6300 gets 9 fps in Stellaris late game lol

[@glenwaldrop8166]

I would have preferred to see more CPUs from that time frame, the Ivy Bridge and Haswell i3 and i5 that were recommended over the FX at comparative prices. If you strictly compare an FX to modern CPUs, of course it's going to lose, badly. If you compare the FX 6300 to an Ivy Bridge i3 or an FX 8370 to an Ivy Bridge i5 and see how *both* manufacturers aged that would be more worthwhile. Remember, the i3 was recommended over the FX line for years. The i5 was priced the same as the FX 8350. How does an i3 3250 play Red Dead Redemption? How about an i5 3550? When you compare the FX line to those they were damn sure future proof.

[@adamkamieniarz9223]

My thoughts exactly.

[@misterscienceguy]

That comparison has been done previously, and it was still soundly beaten by Intel's offerings back then.

[@sovieToilet]

OCd I5 4670k, runs RDR2 just fine, although paired with 2070.

[@MichaelReznoR]

I was thinking exactly the same and felt a bit disappointed that they didn't include those i5 competitors at that time for a "future-proof" comparison video. There's only one i5 Haswell in one test.

[@adamkamieniarz9223]

@@MichaelReznoR Including of this one Haswell i5 actually brought my hopes up. ;)

[@epicwaffles449]

9:49 I still can't believe Steve just said "Big OOOF on that one" LMAO😂

[@amnottabs]

can't beat Steve saying waifu over and over in the waifu rx580 review

[@itsgudstuf6485]

Usually proofing would mean "to prevent" So AMD really did follow through with Future Proofing the FX series

[@DaDARKPass]

To prevent what?

[@DrMatt96]

Brings me back to the good old days when I have an FX 9590 and two 290x's in crossfire. I called my pc the space heater

[@rockjaxn]

Oh Wow* What was you power supply? Chernobyl!? Are you the reason for the explosion?

[@lakizmaj5679]

@@tomstech4390 LOL. FX with not one but 4 fermis, can't beat that

[@wmp0074]

@@tomstech4390 I got a 750D! Inside it holds a x399 AORUS Gaming 7 mobo, Threadripper 1950x and R9 Fury. I call it the Big Rig!

[@mongocom1735]

core 4 has reached over 100C prepare for total Meltdown in T minus 10 sec.

[@DrMatt96]

@@rockjaxn I had a corsair RM1000 I got on Newegg open box

[@randomstuff9322]

It's just amazing to see how much of a difference in performance AMD has made over the last few years.

[@PainterVierax]

As someone who intentionally passed on FX, the sentiment when Ryzen launched was more "finally" than "amazing". As Steve said, Bulldozer was a disapointment compared to the older 45nm K10.

[@randomstuff9322]

@@PainterVierax I'm just glad to competition in the market.

[@PainterVierax]

@@randomstuff9322 well, at first the lack of competition was due to AMD's bad decisions: first Bulldozer, second abandoning the main market for crappy low-end APUs. Ryzen is the type of arch which should have been targeted after K10. GloFo's node stagnation and their exclusivity contract didn't help too.

[@Tc4ify]

@@PainterVierax Bang on the money! Ryzens seem much better than they are (especially 1st and 2nd gen) because of how bad the FXes were. If the latter were at least as competitive to the Intel lineup as Phenom IIs had been, there would be considerably less praise...

[@TJ.85]

@@PainterVierax yes amd FINALLY catching up but it's like come on guys vs way to go! And even after the improvement I'm still left with building Intel if I REALLY want to get the most gaming performance for my money. . Been saying for 3 years I'd switch but they gotta make the deal better on their end before I give up the reliability and insane resale value of Intel parts (not to mention still chart topping performance) and I don't just mean gaming they win 100% there but even in productivity they are top 2 or 3 and only really beat by chips that cost $700+

[@ryanmichaelhaley]

July 2021 and I’m still rocking this CPU. It’s been through two other motherboards, a handful of GPUs, and a good number of drive configurations. I play Horizon Zero Dawn on Ultra, no issues. I have the black edition factory overclock.

[@hugotakayama6963]

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[@Chozo4]

Nice to see a comparison so far. Gives a good baseline as to how much it is overall beaten by more budget oriented chips nowadays (although expected eventually). My little warmachine is still using an AMD Opteron 3380 which is basically an underclocked FX piledriver for server use. However - a healthy FSB/BClk overclock and CPU-NB overclock made a noticable difference. Still looking at several more years of use at minimum as I'm skipping the DDR4 era altogether.

[@ChibiTheEdgehog]

I just upgraded my 8370 this month literally like 2weeks ago .. it was still capable of doing everything I needed I just felt with the new consoles coming I would need to upgrade... I will be repurposing that as a Plex client .. my 8370 stayed under 60c with a h110 ..

[@rhekman]

Indeed, Corsair H110 on my overclocked 8350 has been solid with temps in the 50s. Running over 5 years, and I've unscrewed the cold plate to add more water, and popped the fans apart to grease the bearings. VRM temps have been the bigger challenge.

[@devdevil84]

VRMs on mine are not good either. That's what kept holding me back on overclocking.

[@3800S1]

@@devdevil84 Same with mine, well actually current delivery is my hold back not so much the heat. Can't get my 8320 over 4.5 no matter how much voltage I give it. It's just a freebie board and CPU I got which happens to be a budget low end asus board with tiny vrm.

[@andrewt.5567]

@Smiley Boi I have a 8350. Zen 3 is exactly what I am hold out for.

[@llSubSpacell]

I feel like this should have been a matchup of the fx "8 core" vs i5's because thats what most people were recommending at the time as the superior option. I just feel from personal experience that my old 8350 outlasted the i5's that were claimed as superior. I feel it would have been a better showing of "future proofing".

[@andreyrushchenko2378]

I had Phenom II 1075T, now still on FX-8350 but already got Ryzen 9 3900x :-)

[@AdrianWise]

I agree. I replaced an 8350 with a 6600K and you really felt those missing 'cores' when playing busy multiplayer games

[@Maples01]

Amen, I was using the 8350 until last week, I over clocked it and it just kept going, working great for what I do, I didn't heavy game with it.

[@Maples01]

@@andreyrushchenko2378 Me too, jumped to the Ryzen 12 core, time to save up to replace the RX570 video card, looking to part out my old build, sell the MB, CPU, RAM as a combo maybe.

[@macleod1592]

I ran an 8350 at 4.8 Ghz for years. Finally retired it for my Zen chip but dropped my FX into my kid's rig and it's been running at 4.2 Ghz since and is working just fine. It's one of my most favorite CPU's ever.

[@Koomoa]

I had my 3770k for the past 8 years, thing has been a beast.

[@Silky_boi]

“FX. I remember when they first invented FX. Sweet, sweet cores. I HATED IT!”

[@3800S1]

I remember too, the FX-57 was the stuff legends were made from. So wanted one back then, but nearly 2k AUD for one was wayyy out of my budget.

[@jrsomethingnumbers9704]

Oh but these cores aren't for gaming! They're for uh... uh... Multitasking, you rub it on your OS, and it'll thread forever!

[@420f37]

FX, did somebody say FX??

[@victorbaez8673]

This comment thread is literal perfection

[@kayburcky7146]

FX!!! FX!!!!!!!!

[@bluedragon219123]

My quality for being playable: Does it turn on? Does it not crash? Then it is playable. I was a poor kid/gamer growing up so my standards are low. Still a poor adult though LOL. :)

[@mongocom1735]

for me it was "is it above 15 fps? Its playable." i endured *mobile 4 series chipset graphics* from intel up until 2016 and had tought skin. now when it drops under 100 fps im loosing my mind.

[@Jimster481]

@Ben T. You would need to spend $1000 to replace an elitebook from 2012???? This makes no sense considering you can get a Ryzen powered Elitebook for $500 with a 1080p IPS screen and 12+ hours of battery life...

[@Freak80MC]

"I was a poor kid/gamer growing up so my standards are low" Same here. Like I have a gaming PC now that I built and even though the 30 series cards are coming out, and I sorta want to upgrade, I also wonder if I really need to, and I still feel like my system is future proof for the forseeable future. Like I bought Control and played that and I was able to keep my settings at pretty high and still like 80/90ish fps and it looks amazing and it's like, do I really even NEED raytracing, this is already amazing enough?

[@mousoulisjohn]

Im rocking an FX 8320 for the last 7 years and im pretty happy with its performance. Started with and RX 280x and now i have and RX 570 4g, The latest game i played was Division 2 and played it at 1080p 60fps at high settings

[@nicolasthibeault345]

had a fx 6300 blew it then a fx 8320 990fx rog board and r9 290 before i sold it and got a intel i5 7500 gtx 1060 6gb rig to sell it later and keep the video card that i still use to go ryzen!

[@Jeroensgambling]

Still the 2700x on it's own would make your system look awefully slow.

[@awgmax]

If you listen closely, you can hear the faint ghosts of Tek Syndicate cursing in the wind.

[@darper8568]

I'm watching this using my 8350. I feel like I am watching someone beat up my kid after the kid made me fall down the stairs

[@iforgotmyusername0]

lol

[@heksogen4788]

Why did you even bought it when i5 3470/3570 was available? FX series was trashed in every game benchmark. I will never understand AMD fanboys xD

[@iforgotmyusername0]

@@heksogen4788 That is a limited way to think. A lot of persons with existing AMD platforms bought into the 8350 and other FX chips as an upgrade as it was socket compatible with existing AM3/AM3+ motherboards - some would just need a free bios update while reusing their existing RAM sticks as opposed to buying into a new generation of Intel as you know they change the socket type every generation so that would mean a new mobo and CPU. For example - boards that took a phenom II or athlon II will take any FX CPU. Even if the AMD platform was bought new (a new AM3+ board & FX CPU) the cost as a whole was still much cheaper that the intel platform costs (remember AMD was competing by price/value during this time) some people would have bought into it for the cost savings at the time. There were many FX CPU,RAM,Mobo bundles around.

[@TheJunky228]

I had my 8320 OCd to 5GHz (1.5 volts lmao) (so basically a 9590 before that came out lol) and got stuttering in dirt rally, so a couple years after getting it, even getting a $10 used quad core i7 920 at stock speeds had the same performance, which I then OCd to 4.3GHz. that was more of a test run though, I then got a $80 hex core w3670 and either use it at stock (~3.2GHz) or OCd to 4.6GHz depending on the season. It's way better than my 8320 ever was even comaring the 8320 at 5ghz and this at stock speeds

[@TheMagneticreaper]

@@heksogen4788 when i got mine, the only thing else in the same price range was a lower end i3 2c/2t. the fx8300 might not be great but it was still better then what intel had at the same price.

[@DanielHebell]

40-60 FPS in RDR2 on a 7 year old budget CPU? That's actually really good imh!

[@JO-ih7uc]

with a 2080ti though, if you're gonna put a 2080 ti in a system you aren't going to go for a 7 year old cpu

[@Gravy1255]

@@JO-ih7uc the FX bottle necked the 2080ti...

[@grape3897]

Ballard Mayes yeah, like he said if you want to use a RTX 2080ti you’ll need a much newer and high core Cpu

[@Gravy1255]

@@grape3897 I didn't really understand where you were going with what you said, but I see now lol.

[@JO-ih7uc]

@@Gravy1255 no way! the 2080ti bottle necked the FX ;(

[@discaused]

Everyone:I have an 8350 Me and some other people: I'm a rare person with a 70 Les go

[@akabiscuitwaffle]

No FX 9590, the destroyer of motherboards?

[@Arby631]

akabiscuitwaffle and yay the the 9590 said “Bring the whole PSU into my Processor, that there may be heat in my house,” as well as “and see if I will throw open the floodgates of wattage and pour out so much GHz that there will be no capacitor enough to hold it.”

[@discaused]

Eh I have a r5 3600 now

[@james2042]

The one chip missing was the 2500k as that was intel's future proofing option. It would be cool to see who made the better long term investment

[@kumbandit]

It blows 2500k out of the water, you have to go 4770 or 4790 to be on par.

[@hugotakayama6963]

gamer nexus = intel fan boy kzbin.info/www/bejne/hajMpoeVgpZ1d7M&ab_channel=RATech

[@evuwehe7775]

@@kumbandit only on multicore, single core intel wins hands down

[@donovan6320]

I would say 2600k would probably be more of intel's "FutureProofing" offering. It seems to have also been a significantly more popular chip.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yup, a 2500K or 3570K as comparison would be a good comparison. They were priced similar back in the day, but with only 4 threads, hence the big "futureproofing" idea of the FX chips. And now that games do indeed can make proper use of more than 4 threads, the FX could show if they were really the better choice back in the day.

[@thenoseplays2488]

Steve, as others have pointed out one thing that greatly helped the 0.1% and 1% lows on these chips and improved gaming experience a lot was a small OC on the NB. Getting the CPU-NB and HT both to 2400 mhz along with the ram can make the lows higher in many titles and give a smoother experience overall. It wont really change the outcome of your results, but it is very easy to do and why I am still running my 8320E with a small OC to this day. None of my games really stutter or have bad lows like you experienced.

[@tropiq]

this, i used to run a 4130 and then an 8320E, both were a blast to tinker with, iirc i ended up with like 4,78 ghz undervolted and with optimised fsb for HT (performance wise it was faster than a straight 4,9) so i think its a bit unfair to just set the multi, bump the voltage and then complain its still running slow and hot, not saying they weren't slow just they weren't as slow as people think once properly set up

[@SquaficleDude]

@@tropiq FX required a fair bit of knowledge to squeeze out its best performance. I went from an 1100T to an 8350. Overclocking process was similar. Now I'm spoiled with the ease in which I can OC a 3900x... lock voltage at 1.15, set all core to 4.2 and call it a day. On stock cooler that's ideal. I could focus on getting the most out of the best cores but I don't care to.

[@Manysdugjohn]

@@SquaficleDude It's really really pointless in overclocking ryzen 3000 cpus, unless you want better thermals.. (well .. its kinda weird... OCing ryzen leads to better thermals rather than using PBO) .. You will get better single core in gaming cause you won't max out anywhere near the cpu and you will get about the same all core performance. Btw there are 3-4 different ways to OC ryzen chips.. I was OCing with BCLK and PBO and I got to 4.500 single core on my 3600X with 102.5 bclk and PBO. You can also use ryzen master. Ryzen chips do require more knowledge than FX Chips if you want to squeeze out everything. Just look at GN's 3600XT OC video...

[@thenoseplays2488]

I was skeptical of this fact as well but there is a long running thread in the overclock.net forum that I was a part of and helped fleshed this out. The main issue seems to be that the L3 cache on these chips was abysmal at stock speeds and caused a lot of the lag spikes experienced by those who use it at stock. Over locking just the CPU does not help this at all. However a small overclock to the cpu-nb does actually increase L3 cache speeds and makes the excessive stuttering go away. You will not see any noticable gains to your average fps scores, but your 0.1% and 1% lows will dramatically increase to more acceptable levels and be all but eliminated in many use scenarios in terms of user perceived smoothness.

[@miki476]

Overclock FSB bus as high as you can. Fx will benefit from this. My 8350 running on 4.8ghz with 300mhz FSB bus

[@SplosionMovies]

My FX-8320 lived in my machine for about 3 years under an H110i, overclocked and overvolted as high as I could get it while remaining stable. It’s spent 3 more years in my friend’s machine, relaxing & running Linux :) I love that processor for no other reason than nostalgia

[@ArkAngelHFB]

It is still in my current rig...

[@Sharkey007x]

Thank you for doing this vid. I am actually sitting on one of these in my current rig still and am looking around for upgrade this year. Just waiting on seeing what Zen3 has for us at the end of the year.

[@AvroBellow]

Steve Burke claims that the FX-8370 isn't future-proof but it's still what he uses at home and says (in his own words) that it's fine. I would call that pretty future-proof since the architecture is almost ten f___ing years old.

[@GewelReal]

10 year old i3 can be considered future-proof if all you do is simple Excel and Chrome

[@AvroBellow]

@@GewelReal The thing is, from his own tests, the FX-8370 can still run most games at above 60fps. THAT is what I found amazing. I never expected that it would game so well so many years after its creation.

[@RuneMamba]

I remember debating between an 8350 and 4790k back in the day, glad i went with the 4790k still good to this day.

[@uchihasasuke7436]

Yep, I had a 4820K, still a pretty damn solid CPU in 2020

[@dondraper4438]

I had a similar decision between an FX 9590 (which my motherboard didn't even support) and an i7 6700k. Glad to say the i7 6700k was an easy win.

[@Slavolko]

Same. I spent a few months wondering what CPU to get for gaming and video editing. I first thought about a Phenom II 965 BE, then a FX 6300, and finally between a 4670K and FX 8350. In the end, I chose the 4670K because it was the superior value compared to the 4790K and it was better in gaming than the 8350.

[@Slavolko]

@@dondraper4438 You could've saved on your heating bill in the winter!

[@807800]

I'm expecting a sandy bridge CPU there for comparison. Disappointed.

[@Cafe_TTV]

AGREED!!! Wonder if Steve had a good reason for this?

[@Sam-K]

Probably because an i7-2600 would've destroyed that so called 'octa-core' Bulldozer!

[@minusinfinity6974]

Yeah and an Ivy Bridge

[@takehirolol5962]

Well the FX gets destroyed by Intel 2nd gen...Hardware Unboxed did it...

[@807800]

@@Sam-K So what?.

[@vandecasa3795]

Some more comparisons with contemporary CPUs, especially those in the same price range, would have been interesting. From what I can gather you can still play 60fps/1080p at high (albeit not the highest) settings. That's quite impressive for a 10 year old CPU architecture.

[@ntope001]

You know what’s future proofing? A 3770k, I played on that cpu for like 8 years. Was still kicking butt, until I upgraded recently to a 3700x. Good old days 🙂

[@pkjk1255]

But 3770 is a higher number than 3700 😳😳

[@codyl1992]

This is actually awesomely humble. Being able to review everything makes a person aware of what the “best” is and stay informed, yet able to realize what they personally need for their current circumstances.

[@juancereda5952]

You should have compared this cpu with a i5 4440 to be fair (or even a 2400), which was around the price of this Cpu. When I bought my old FX 6300 it costed $90, the cheapest Ivy i3 was like $120.

[@MarceloTezza]

This! I dont understand what the hell Steve was thinking on this video, the future proof relates obviously with a long term investiment based on the price point of the processor at the time it was launched, makes 0 sense to compare with today's processors, this is not what amd was claiming.

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

the intel cpus from back then already smashed the FX cpu in most scenarios.

[@AMV12S]

The 4690K is on the list

[@MarceloTezza]

@@AMV12S Where?

[@juancereda5952]

@@AMV12S which is like 30% faster than a locked i5. And it was around $230 back then.

[@keithcalderwood6268]

It’s videos like this that make me feel vindicated in wanting to upgrade my FX-8350.

[@gulpirak]

My wife had an FX-8350 for 9 years before she let me upgrade it. Next thing you know, she's floored by how much smoother Sims 4 is.

[@elitepauper7400]

@@gulpirak Ur capping. even a potatoe laptop can run sims 4 smooth upgrading a 8350 to something better just for the sims is laughable. im still running a fx 8350 myself watercooled overclocked at 4.8ghz, pared with 2x 8gb ram and a rx 6600

[@MrKayveman]

Thanks. I was gaming / streaming with an FX8350 before upgrading to the Ryzen 7 1700 and I can see how the new one just blows it away. This was helpful. I have my FX8150 and FX8350 now dedicated in the basement to Folding@Home.

[@teamtechworked8217]

Steve has no reason to have a high end system at home. Seems he mostly lives at the office anyways. Thanks for that!

[@AkashYadavOriginal]

I actually bought Phenom X6 1090T and skipped entire AMD FX generation. As I didn't want to go below 6 cores, which Intel was shoving down our throats and AMD's were crap. Right now on Ryzen 1700. Will only upgrade to AM5 Platform.

[@Jirrick]

I regarded X6 as better CPU as well. Only reason for me to go from Phenom to FX was SSE instructions required by some games.

[@tskraj3190]

@@Jirrick I preferred the Deneb Quads over the Thubans and FX due to gaming performance being much better than the two at the time but I went from the Phenom II X4 980 to the FX-9590 for the sake of having additional threads. I still use my FX9590 /32 GB DDR3 2400/ R9 Fury X build for 1080P gaming but I do have a TR 1950X/ 16GB DDR4 3600/ RX Vega 64 LC but I don't use it for gaming.

[@RadarLeon]

I have a ryzen 1600 because I bought it when the 2000 serise was out and a x470 mobo planning on it's upgrade to a 3000 part when 4000s drop and get it on the cheap will carry on till am5+?

[@AkashYadavOriginal]

@@Jirrick Fortunately I didn't encounter any game that didn't run on my Phenom. My trusty Phenom paired with HD7950 Played nearly every game I threw at it. While I upgraded my CPU, my GPU is still functioning pretty good, although I am getting tempted by Big Navi leaks. For me AMD hardware ages really well.

[@Malus1531]

Fanboy much

[@MrButtons252]

As an overclocker, i really enjoyed my bulldozer chips. However, this video scratched my itch to build another one to just tweak and benchmark for old time sake. Thanks.

[@Athlios]

Fantastic video and very interesting comparisons. Thank you!

[@tomwest5083]

Just retired my AS Rock fx990 extreme 3, FX8350 combo back in November 2019. Now it's my back up rig to my rockin X570 Taichi, 3800X combo. Yea, I know, 3700X were out of stock then...

[@geonerd]

My Phenom X6 approves of your 'dinosaur' AMD system! :)

[@RamonInNZ]

I am still running a X6 1090T as well - it is my Folding@Home machine after the CPU cooler was changed/upgraded.

[@Psycho-Ben]

Big thanks for showing the exhaustive comparisons! Last year I upgraded from my 8370 to a 3700x. Totally worth it and this video completely validated my purchase as more of a necessity then just a splurge at the time. LOL! Through my own meager side by side testing between my systems, I knew my 3700x was faster through 3Dmark and Cinebench, but not completely demolished in the triple A gaming title testing too. Still have my 8370 as it has been relegated to a HTPC in my living room.

[@bloeckmoep]

My i7 3770k feels with you. Its still good enough for my everday needs. Going strong since 2013 ;).

[@russianbear5089]

Retired my 8300x in febuary for a 3950x :)

[@aoelp]

Now that is an upgrade. Even if both overclocked the Ryzen is easily four times as fast multi-core and twice as fast single-core if not much more.

[@joshmakeshift]

in march i went from a 8350 to a 3900x. talk about massive improvement lol

[@MetallicBlade]

@@joshmakeshift That's what I plan on doing to my 8350 as well.

[@andrewt.5567]

That is a 4350x reduction. You got duped.

[@max300988]

When you were overcloking did you also overclock Northbridge and use high speed RAM? Just boosting core frequency won't give you anything on an FX chip, northbridge will be a major bottle neck. A common mistake a lot of people made back then when trying to overclock these processors.

[@germz1986248]

Charts show XMP profile for 2133 ram. I did not hear him talk about the north bridge however.

[@sergeantseven4240]

Agreed, I only saw gains in mine when I started pushing the bus speeds and HT speeds. Limitation for me was the regulators and cooling on my gigabit mobo. I have a custom water cooling loop but I don't have a block for the VRM sadly. If I did I could be pushing past 5ghz and have better north bridge stability. i don't think the 8370 is as bad as he makes it sound, but he always does this with his opinions and mocks people who try to tell him otherwise.

[@arwlyx]

@@sergeantseven4240 You FX users always have an answer for as to why FX chips don't perform, I had a friend like this, he swore by DX12 and Vulkan, Intel biased compilers, lazy game companies, Nvidia gimping drivers on FX, everything is an excuse, but what is very real is the fact that its 2020 and FX has still yet to show it was ever competitive for anything other than 7zip. Only time they actually become anything decent is when you dial them to retarded clockspeeds that make no sense to run for anyone that isn't an OC enthusiast and even then, it got stomped by i3s in certain games. Locked 2 core CPUs. Just let it go already, FX was a mistake.

[@DarkwithPeace]

Mike Fox Found the Intel fanboy.

[@arwlyx]

@@DarkwithPeace What is it that I said that is a fanboy statement? What is it that I said that isn't factual? What is it that you have said that is factual at all or based on anything that is true? The only type of CPU brand I genuinely find interesting is IBM and that's PPC. I buy what performs best at what I need done, quit being a clown.

[@Boudicca-the-musical]

I've been using a 2013 AMD system with an FX 6350. I don't use it for gaming. Mostly for work. But I easily use it 8-10 hours a day. For seven years. And it's still going strong.

[@frealms]

Okay, finished watching today and I gotta say: This seems to be more nagging on the terminlogy used then the practical sense. By the end of the video, and just looking at the charts, you yourself say it doesn't warrant a whole system overhaul just to change the CPU. So it IS a viable CPU 6 years later. Future-proofing as I understand it, is not about making something that is the best of the best of the best in 3-5 years but something that is still useful and works. And it does. You've shown it yourselves that it may not be the fastest horse on the race but it gets the job done, be it in gaming (most people still play 1080p60) and it can do productivity tasks. Thanks for the revisit but you guys should re-think your conclusions to avoid such a heavy bias that you harness for living in a country where hardware is so cheap that future-proofing something is not that big a deal.

[@eco9807]

Exactly.

[@emenesu]

I owned the 8350 and it was SO MUCH WORSE than i5-6500 that it's not even funny. I got the 6500 for 150 euros. The fx sucks compared to a mid range gen 6 chip, it isn't futureproof by any stretch of the imagination.

[@frealms]

@@emenesu And still, somehow, someway, I still have 3 friends running 8350s that game and work on it with no plans to change

[@literallyanythingelseother]

@@emenesu I still have and use the 8350. It makes my room mad hot, but I've never had any issues with gaming, 60 fps without any frame drops

[@literallyanythingelseother]

@@emenesu also ya surprise surprise a cpu that came out 3 years later would be way better....

[@josejuanandrade4439]

So Steve from Gamer Nexus uses an FX cpu in his personal rig?!! Can't wait for Steve from Harbor Unboxed to find it out!!! I wonder what he would say about it!

[@VictorNoelCoryPaz]

He replied a few minutes ago 🤣

[@TKIvanov]

Is that some inside joke or just a typo? (to be clear, im talking about "harbor" unboxed)

[@madtoffelpremium8324]

@@TKIvanov More or less. Harbor unboxed was/is one way KZbin's automatic subtitels tried to transcript the intro. Together with other variants of these mistake they became kind of an inside joke and there was even merch with it.

[@CaveyMoth]

I love Harder In Box!

[@h.b.5577]

Does he have a particular dislike if fx cpu’s?

[@s0litaire2k]

Covers the ears on my FX8350 : "Sssshhh" "Don't listen to that mean long haired Jesus" "You're still my good little war machine."

[@AvroBellow]

Averaging over 60fps across a gaming suite today is nothing for any FX-8000 series CPU to be ashamed of. AMD FX was the very definition of future-proof. It was like a diesel truck, never really fast but won't slow down from increased load.

[@selohcin]

@@AvroBellow LOL, okay. Keep telling yourself that while denying every piece of evidence in front of you.

[@TJ.85]

@@AvroBellow you got some kind of stake in defending this piece of crap so much? Or is it just your pride? Get over it no one really liked it then and most owners now like it even less (and for good reason). Among many reasons why I have never went AMD for my cpu. I had their gpu's back in the day cause those were actually good. See some people only spend their time and money on things that have value and avoid time and money sinks like amd cpu's have tended to be. They're better today and getting better each gen but still not there 100% for me to trust them not to mention they've yet to take the crown for fastest gaming.

[@CopeAndSeeth]

@@selohcin seeth

[@CopeAndSeeth]

@@TJ.85 mega seeth

[@GuitarAudiologist]

Watching this on an 8350 now, with a GTX 460 Fermi (my secondary PC, now relegated to music recording). Really, I didn't mind this CPU as my main for the first few years. It felt like a decent upgrade from my Phenom II 925 that I had prior. I got about 7 years of solid use out of it. But in January I upgraded to a 3800x with a 2080 Super, and I can feel the difference big time. I'm enjoying AAA gaming on my PC again for the first time in a decade!

[@pinakinkale]

My fx 8350 rig has been converted to a home theater pc, and honestly, it still holds up pretty well

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

I did the same with my FX 8300. Does good enough job playing old games and single player games from a couple years ago. I won't bother playing anything more than that since it isn't even overclocked. The system is loud enough as is.

[@XFourty7]

I built this FX-8150 machine almost 10 years ago and it's still going strong lmao. Only upgraded the GPU so far, but it's finally the tipping point... Try playing on densely populated ArmA servers with an FX-8150 :P ...10-15 FPS and legit unplayable. Thanks for doing a "Throwback" vid for both sides! ;)

[@XFourty7]

@@tomstech4390 Arma 3's engine is shit, everyone knows, but most of that isn't true... You can get 50+ fps easily in the zone in KOTH (most demanding possible scenario), just watch a few streamers (eg; Refso29 on twitch). Most of them even play with super high FOVs which is more performance hitting. My long time pilot friend gets 50-60 in zone at 1440p 110 FOV. People use 2nd gen threadrippers who stream and get 50+... There's no way you're getting 20 avg with a 9900ks, unless something else is the factor.

[@XFourty7]

@@tomstech4390 Sounds like the person had unrealistic expectations. The difference between a 7600k vs 9900ks isn't dramatic. Basically nothing of a comparison to an FX-8150 vs modern cpus :X

[@tyber_roman313]

I want to see Steve's personal rig and a video on the upgrade when he does it

[@lawrencekifer8811]

Always enjoy your videos, another great job! How about doing a "How To" tutorial on graph development? I work with spread sheets and charts in my job and i see you use some effects I would be interested in learning. I think this skill / talent is often overlooked and it would be refreshing to get some tips from someone who has some talent in this.

[@Kraxt0n]

thank you for including the r5 1600af in this out of all the others, i had mine clocked to 4.1 @ 1.38 volts llc4 for a while, then decided to study a little on spread spectrum, so turned it off and turned the voltage way down to 1.23...haven tried 4.2 with this voltage although i suspect the difference to be minuscule...

[@kylewiggins9567]

I just changed out my FX-9370 for a 3950x yeah the CPU was hot and thats putting it lightly.

[@seanw4558]

I remember my fx chip, not sure if I loved it or hated it lol

[@GamersNexus]

That's how I feel!

[@diamondarrow4567]

Gamers Nexus i have a soft spot for my fc 6300, damn good overclocker and was my first step into PC Gaming.

[@clblanchard08]

You hated internally, but loved it externally because you spent money on it.

[@Rugg-qk4pl]

I used my 8320 into the ground, I think it gets a pretty bad wrap honestly, I only played relatively leightweight games on my 1080p60hz monitor. I couldn't complain really, I did upgrade to a 3600 last year though.

[@randallsmith8183]

You didn't get a 2500k so you hate it.

[@abedfo88]

I learnt to overclock on my 8350. Seem to remember having it at 4.7ghz. NB and HT OC to 2400mhz was the golden touch.

[@dinocorreia1202]

You with a 8370 and me with a 6300 OC at 4.4Ghz...and still playing games as Call of Duty - WWII normal settings with a Asus Strix RX 580 8Gb....this is the other side of the story. So great to watch this! One of the most great video project. Thanks!

[@zoranvelickovic8814]

6300 OC at 4.5Ghz with SEIDON 120V liquid cooling, here :)

[@dinocorreia1202]

@@zoranvelickovic8814 i had that Seidon v. 2 Than i replaced to coolermaster ml240r rgb '-)

[@4x4forlyfe]

It would be truly amazing if you could revisit the X58 platform in 2020. The i7 990x and the two Xeon counterparts the W3690 and X5690.

[@Phil_529]

It would've been more interesting with i7 4770K or i7 4790K results as well for comparison to a "proper" quad core of that time. I know you did a revisit video recently but having the results all on 1 screen would've been convenient.

[@Blake240p]

I switched from 8350 @4.8 to a used 3770k @4.6 about 4 years ago. Immediately noticed the 3770 improved framerates and render times immensely... still using the 3770 but will upgrade asap

[@Rob-vl9ux]

Glad you mentioned that the Chip ate AIO coolers due to high heat. I actually just retired a 9590 system that I was using as a backup system. It actually ran well once i cut a hole behind the socket and installed a fan but couldnt keep a AOI for more than a year or so. Its what made me get into open loop cooling when i built my original Ryzen build.

[@Threesixtyci]

Still running the same cosair h110i on mine... but it's been running at a lower voltage for about 5 or 6 years... which turns out to be around 4.1 ghz. Temps hover around 45c.. with the radiator fans set to 100%. It's loud, but at least it's surviving...