American B738 has UNSAFE LANDING GEAR INDICATION | Emergency Return to Dallas

[@TheWabbit]

Some good work by pilots and controllers, Some of the best exchange of information I've heard on your channel.

[@mauriciomartinez7821]

Thanks to all the VasAviation videos I am learning little by little English, because I want to be a pilot when I grow up.

[@VASAviation]

Glad to hear that!

[@patrickfain9318]

I really liked the situation being read aloud this time! I'm "watching" (really listening to) these videos a lot of the time while driving so this helped a lot thanks!

[@michaelwatson113]

Every time I watch one of these videos I feel even more secure when flying. Things can go wrong. The question is what to do about it. Pilots and ATC make quick, professional decisions. In a a busy complex airspace Every one has a job to do. They must communicate clearly, succinctly. And they do. Everyday lives are saved by quick, professional, well trained, experienced people.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

Very well done all the way around. Thank you to the poster for years of great work...

[@roudydogg1]

Nice job putting the gear indications on screen like that. This recording definitely looked smooth. Thanks for tour hard work 😁

[@roudydogg1]

*your I can spell, I promise

[@CrimsonNL]

In the middle of the right side on the radar screen you can see the SOLDO intersection. Where that Mooney pilot is still trying to get his clearance! Han Solo!

[@jake3832]

Best comment 🤣🤣

[@Ba_A]

😅🤣😂

[@LuisRivera-ku8rx]

gracias por compartir estas transmisiones

[@VASAviation]

Gracias a ti, Luis

[@FireDFPV]

This VDO has the best sound ever on your channel. No interference noise.

[@chesleyhu624]

I like that you read the title.

[@shaneboulds5240]

I would be very surprised if that was actually a supervisor on the frequency. My educated guess is that the original controller was a trainee and the other voice was his trainer

[@c28baby]

This controller sounds either bored or depressed.

[@Megabishop65]

Yes - a bit robotic. Also, a lot of words indistinct due to talking too fast.

[@BMPellogia]

feels like a lack of energy/motivation to do anything..i'm in treatment due depression and sometimes i do things like that

[@winnerloser]

It's a lot to do with the job. ATC's need to be all business. It's considered one of the most stressful jobs anywhere, so keeping your calm helps make you make good decisions

[@WendyKS93]

Glad it ended well.

[@cymbala6208]

Why does Tower say in the end "I hate to do this..." and then giving the new frequency? I am not a pilot so I have no idea at all :-D

[@VASAviation]

It's kinda annoying to be changing frequencies during landing

[@cymbala6208]

@@VASAviation ah ok, I understand. Thank you so much, wouldn't have expected such an immediate answer!

[@emileebaker8520]

A lot of SWA on frequency. Does the same facility do departure for both DFW and Dallas-Love? That's gotta be a busy place to work.

[@amateurshooter6054]

Thanks

[@Iamwatchingyou75]

Why the hate to do it for switching to 35.7?

[@milankowww]

more workload just before landing?

[@QemeH]

It's not the best thing to do to an emergency aircraft to have them needlessly change freq during the part of flight with the highest workload. I'm sure he had good reasons, but he wanted to be polite about it.

[@miokujou]

They're basically on final and was cleared to land. F/O would have been doing the final steps of the before landing checklist at this point while listening to the radio. Changing frequencies on final/short final just added to their workload.

[@Iamwatchingyou75]

@@milankowww Thanks, wasn't paying attention.I thought they already landed.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Iamwatchingyou75 - 135.7 is the Tower Emergency frequency, possibly has the Rescue chief, and other responding vehicles monitoring it.

[@forgottenfamily]

It strikes me as prudent to roll the equipment if you've got a gear issue. Even if it's more likely safe than not, that you have a fault in that system would, I think, increase the probability of the gear not locking and collapsing during landing at which point, having the equipment would be necessary....

[@ahmedtracker2841]

I agree with you Even if not important that won't cost them a lot of money

[@kg4boj]

That's what the airport firefighters live for. Otherwise they just stay in the garage and the crew washes the equipment all day between breaks playing cards. FF really is a BS job.

[@DrMackSplackem]

@@kg4boj Until all of a sudden it isn't.

[@matthewhall5571]

Joe Flink indeed. Hours of boredom and minutes of sheer terror. That's true about piloting and firefighting.

[@michaelwei575]

When he said he need to get set and briefed, did he mean to report to the company?

[@VASAviation]

Set the return, new runway, new destination, runway length...

[@michaelwei575]

@@VASAviation Yeah, but what does brief mean here?

[@XP72official]

Nice video.

[@tasnimewhida2573]

A little off topic but I like how the ATC and later on an other pilot used the correct phraseology for 17-17000, you don’t hear that very often

[@MusicLover11325]

What? “One seven, seventeen thousand” is not technically correct, but a technique used to avoid confusion. Usually said during the second time or the first time if the controller said it too fast

[@tasnimewhida2573]

MusicLover11325 I don’t know where you get your knowledge but reading the numbers individually is the correct phraseology (at least based on my years of training and practice) for altitudes above 10 000’ . for example 11 000 ft is read as one one eleven thousand.. it is very uncommonly used because planes flying that high usually use flight levels instead of altitudes

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

MusicLover11325 - The proscribed phraseology for altitude, for example, 17,000, is "One Seven Thousand". "Seventeen thousand", can be added for clarity if the controller wishes.

[@jochen_schueller]

I'm not 100% sure, but for me this seems to be a safer way of verifying the state of the gear prior to landing compared to the procedure that is being taught at Pakistan International Airlines.

[@Boodieman72]

I think I remember one of the FA's that has a channel was on this flight.

[@patrickfain9318]

I wish they would say "persons on board" instead of souls. Souls on board sounds so creepy and.... final/hopeless

[@milankowww]

Souls also include cockroaches and ants :D

[@thebigmacd]

@@milankowww but no Gingers

[@rayg9069]

Souls indicates living people as opposed to possible cadaver freight. So rescue knows how many they are looking for, but yeah it does sound creepy. Did you hear about the Cessna that crashed into a cemetery in Ireland? They recovered 65 bodies. Sorry, it's Monday

[@lucas_k23]

That controller sounds bored as hell.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Lucas - Cool, as a cucumber!, No need for exuberance.

[@miokujou]

It's just another day on the job for him. Everything he's doing is basically just muscle memory for him lol.

[@ahmedtracker2841]

Look like he was arguing with his wife 😂 before he came to his shift

[@CapStar362]

@VAS, im confused, why just now post this video from a Incident back in January ? you doing some archive comparisons and seeing what you may have missed to what you created? just curious, no biggie

[@VASAviation]

I edited this video months ago

[@CapStar362]

@@VASAviation ahhh ok

[@jr13227]

What’s wrong with 135.7?

[@drnogueiras8783]

Nothing, he just felt bad having them switch again while trying to land as an emergency. You’re busy in there, they’ll try not to have you switch unnecessarily

[@jr13227]

e l e n a gotcha

[@tomstravels520]

I’m confused. Was the gear stuck down “we’re asking them to come up and they’re not coming up”? Later it seems it was up but not locked? How come they only noticed at 10,000ft?

[@ahmedtracker2841]

Climbing very fast and take a few time to make checks and trying to fix it before informing the ATC with the problem they had

[@kg4boj]

Because the order of operations is: 1.Aviate 2.Navigate 3.Communicate

[@tomstravels520]

Peter Carlson yeah but aviate doesn’t necessarily mean start fixing the problem. It means making sure the plane is under control, doing what you expect it to do and is not about to crash into anything. It takes about 5 mins usually to get to about 10,000ft.

[@elsdvenom]

@@tomstravels520 Procedures would have had them executing self checks while climbing to try and clear the problem before declaring the emergency.

[@RafaelGarcia-od5rb]

I don't know if it applies to this case, but some alarms only go off at a specified altitude. Maybe it beeped around 3, 4k feet and the just checked the A for "aviate" and then proceeded to contact the tower. I saw a video about some issue with a reverse thrust that happened in Brazil a while ago and one of the reasons for the accident was the alarm would only "beep" at a specified altitude. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[@RmsTitanic59]

The white lines on the radar looks like a bird look closely well kinda

[@LeifNelandDk]

"we don't need any equipment" Are firetrucks, foam etc included in the airport fee or is that extra?

[@tomstravels520]

5 hours of fuel to fly between Dallas and San Antonio? Were they tankering or were they expecting a long delay or long distance alternate?

[@haraldlorentzen40]

More than likely the plane was going somewhere else after San Antonio, and had the fuel for that trip onboard...

[@tomstravels520]

Harald Lorentzen rechecked Flightradar24 logs. Aircraft was scheduled to return back to Dallas. Didn’t fly again until 10th Jan. May have just been tankering fuel so didn’t need to refuel at SAT

[@VASAviation]

Most likely tankering

[@flyerdon3116]

It’s also possible the aircraft had been fueled for a different destination and then was swapped to the SAT round trip.

[@shinil1135]

During an emergency like this one, what the captain usually tells to the passengers?

[@drewleevy5420]

Couldn't take 35C needed 36L. They're the same length with the exception of 1 FOOT

[@tejaslamb4717]

It's not the runway length they needed to accommodate for, it was the added time needed to get from a takeoff config to a landing config. They needed the extra miles to get briefed, get ready and all that so they could focus on the landing. That's why he chose 36L.

[@dantee7893]

any1 knows why the frequency change on visual?

[@TheMysteriousRock]

So the emergency traffic doesn't tie up the ground frequency

[@4justiceagainstevil]

@@TheMysteriousRock Sure, just curious why not immediately transferred to 135.7. FYI, 124.15 is published tower, 135.7 that they were switched over to, is normally used by approach in many locations, but here obviously used by tower, approach could have switched them over to that immediately.

[@stillthakoolest]

What's wrong with the FAA regs/ATC that makes American pilots so wary of declaring an emergency? Feel like they would be like..."we've got flames in the cockpit, heavy smoke...but WE ARE NOT, I REPEAT WE ARE NOT DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. GOTTA RUN SOME CHECKLISTS HERE"

[@mikecowen6507]

It's a shitload of additional paperwork to do.

[@sebastiannielsen]

Theres nothing wrong with that. Imagine this: You accidentially tip over the candle onto the table while eating at home, so the table mat catches fire. You then take that glass of water and slosh it on the fire so the fire becomes completely extinguished. Is it neccessary to push the fire alarm or call 911? No of course! Of course, they want to make sure its an emergency (by running some checklists) before declaring. And in many times, they just need to land priority but don't need any emergency handling. And many smaller emergencies can be resolved in the air by airline crew, why it is then completely unneccesary to declare a full blown emergency to the ATC. And same with aircraft, if they get some indication in cockpit that something is wrong, its better to confirm that indication instead of declaring an emergency solely on the basis of some lamp in cockpit. It could be just that electrical switch for that lamp that is out of order, and everything else is just fine.

[@mhachey783]

Saying "precautionary" emergency and "at this point do not need equipment" were just silly things for the pilot to say. Do or do not, there is no need for maybe. I work for a chemical company, and I instruct workers to yell out "SPILL" if they see any unexpected pool of liquid on the ground. Even if it is a rainy day and they suspects is it just a water leak, it must be treated as a chemical spill until proven otherwise. The potential for disaster is enough. Furthermore, emergency response is inherently a team effort.

[@sebastiannielsen]

He wanted to basically do the US equvalient of a "PAN-PAN", but US does only have one emergency level, so he wanted to emphasize it was a PAN-PAN emergency and not a MAYDAY. He don't want to waste unneccessary emergency resources if all is good. (and declaring emergency or using a too high "level" for the emergency when its not warranted can give heavy fines and/or license revocation) Basically, what the pilot said, is "I don't need any equipment, but have the equipment operators seated and ready for roll IF something happens". I don't know how a "spill" in your laboratory is treated, but in your case, it seems that the "cost" of managing a spill (propably scooping up the spill using specialized sanitizing equipment, propably with a full-body suit) isn't that high, thus its more "OK" to declare a spill needlessly (in a "better be safe than sorry") even if its something competely harmless like tap water. More like, avoid that puddle on the floor. In case of flight, an "false emergency" or a non-neccessary one, have a very high cost in spent resources (both in rolling equipment, but also in some situations neccessary to close nearby runways or taxiways which then have high costs for "neighbouring" airlines), thus its important to only declare an emergency if its really neccessary. In the same way, you don't push the fire alarm or call 911 just because you happened to burn your food on the stove.

[@mhachey783]

@@sebastiannielsen What fines and certificate revocation are you even talking about? The pilot had a faulty gear indication. Had he not told the tower about this potential emergency then that would have been in breach of FAA rules wouldn’t it? While the pilot may be in charge of their aircraft, the ATC is responsible for coordinating the emergency response on the ground. “Even if the words MAYDAY or PAN-PAN (or EMERGENCY) are not used, and there is a doubt that a situation constitutes an emergency or potential emergency, handle it as an emergency [FAA JO 2110.10 Para 5-1-1c]. To me, the pilot just didn't want to appear "less than manly" for declaring an emergency for what was likely a faulty landing gear indication. It had nothing to do with fear of fines or pilot certification revocation. Yes, the cost of fire rescue is high. Two new ARFF (Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting) vehicles cost roughly $1.6 million in 2017 for just the initial purchase, inspection, and training. And whether they are used in an emergency or not, the firefighters and maintenance staff do get paid to be ready. Rolling the trucks cost gas, but it is a drop in the bucket against the sunk cost. Further, the ATC is well aware of the cost of disrupting the airport operations, so they do their best to minimize the disruption that may occur due to an emergency. However, make no mistake, this must be a secondary consideration to the emergency itself. Ambiguous situations where something doesn't look right are difficult to deal with for everyone. When you are burning your dinner, there is nothing ambiguous about that situation. But if you hear smoke alarm detectors at your neighbor's place and you cannot see inside due to a thick smoke, don't bloody well assume that your neighbor stepped out while forgetting their turkey in the oven.

[@sebastiannielsen]

@@mhachey783 Im talking about the fines and potential certificate revocation for issuing a emergency call when the situation isnt aggravate enough to warrant that. Ergo "abusing the emergecy functions". For water (coast guard) the fine is up to 250 000 $ for a false mayday call, but I don't know the exact sums for FAA and pilots.

[@ahmedtracker2841]

These ATC got bored from his job Listen to his voice 😂 Another shift and he will open the window and jump from the tower 😂👌🏻

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

Ahmed Tracker - The best cure for boredom, is to go out on the catwalk, and stroll around the cab. Best view ever, feel the fresh breeze, get your mind right, then go back inside and jump into the hot seat.

[@pavelavietor1]

Hello you made a typo 🙂 nice video thanks. Saludos Iberian

[@VASAviation]

Where is it?

[@pavelavietor1]

@@VASAviation en el titulo. Seria agradable cambiar el max a 738 con un nueva certification. Saludos Iberian tremendas gracias por compartir su abilidad

[@VASAviation]

@@pavelavietor1 B738 is not a typo. It's the aircraft involved.

[@pavelavietor1]

@@VASAviation a ok my bad mi error tremendo video esperando el siguiente., saludos iberian

[@CapStar362]

@@pavelavietor1 rather than typing out the full aircraft name and its variant, such as B737-800 or B747-400 etc etc etc, many of us aviation hobbyists and those actually in the aviation industry whether active, learning or retired. we use the names per FAA aircraft ID's. B737-800 becomes B738, B777-300 becomes B773, the Airbus A320neo becomes A32n and so forth for the wide range of aircraft ID's.

[@stevenshillinger775]

Tower clears AA 1737 to land on 36L with no wind report. Just something I caught while listening. :)

[@milankowww]

earlier they said they want some more time to get briefed, so I think everyone expected them to have the freshest METAR. Still I don't know whether it's mandatory or not (not a pilot)

[@QemeH]

Weather is not mandatory in a landing or T/O clearance (and if it's given, it doesn't need to be read back). Many pilots like having the latest winds, though, so it became standard to give winds with the clearance.

[@karlsandin4515]

Wind is only reported if it has dramatically changed from the reported ATIS conditions .

[@chrisschack9716]

I think it's also required if there's a tailwind component.

[@QemeH]

@@chrisschack9716 Kinda, yes. The phraseology guide of the ICAO (in "document 4444, chapter 12") does not include a wind check in the landing clearance (see chapter 12.3.4.16), however chapter 6.6.4 reads: "At the commencement of final approach, the following information shall be transmitted to aircraft: a) significant changes in the mean surface wind direction and speed [...]" The official note attached to that section explains that "significant" means either a headwind component change of 10 kt or more, a tailwind component change of 2 kt or more or a crosswind component change of 5 kt or more.

[@73av8r5]

Hmmm. I fly the 73 for AA. Never even heard about this. Non-event.

[@nikvolt8298]

world's slowest scroll

[@SVAyouTube]

Парни, Вы очень быстро ведёте радиообмен.

[@classicalroach]

Kool

[@sharjeelkhan7437]

If it was a punjabi international airline pilot aka PIA he would have landed on engines and crashed.

[@fixedguitar47]

Stupid landing gear! Use your feet!

[@repro7780]

Whats a 738?

[@vibolly2772]

737-800

[@fsxeryt4186]

That’s the ICAO code

[@Ian.cul017]

737-800

[@QemeH]

@@fsxeryt4186 Almost... 738 is the IATA code. ICAO uses 4 digits/letters, so it's B738. The system is consistent, though. "B73X" indicates all Boeing 737 variants, with the X indicating the subtype (1 for 100 to 9 for 900). Other frames get this treatment as well, for example the Airbus A340 family has ICAO code "A34X" with X indicating subtye (2 for 200, etc.). It gets a bit wonky with legacy names like the Boeing 737 MAX 7 to 10. They get ICAO codes "B37M" for the MAX 7, but then "B38M" and "B39M" for the MAX 8 and 9 (which at first glance seems to be a Boeing 383 MAX or 393 MAX, which are planea that don't exist). And the MAX 10 is even more wierd, as it's ICAO code is "B3XM"... gotta fit it in 4 letters somehow, I guess :)

[@drnogueiras8783]

QemeH great info! I’m just curious though, why would the code indicate a 383 or 393? If all Boeing’s 7-7 and the M is a max type that makes sense to me, I think I’m missing something. Also x I actually think makes good sense and was clever, because it’s the Roman numeral for 10. I don’t know much about icao codes, but I’m trying for the life of me to see the 383 thing and I’m stumped

[@bra1nstr]

Is this Trump? 2:14 HAHA

[@markieman64]

I don't even think I'd trust that guy on a bicycle...!

[@lightfoot9485]

@@markieman64 And there you have it! Another idiot for the democrat party opening his stupid mouth!

[@chrisschack9716]

At least it's not George Bush on the bicycle...

[@rajeevgoyal4429]

Anyone here who never heard of B738 before?

[@thelemonlama2722]

737-800

[@ghstark]

B738 is the ICAO designator for the Boeing 737-800. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_type_designators

[@rajeevgoyal4429]

@@thelemonlama2722 Thank you

[@rajeevgoyal4429]

@@ghstark Thank you! :)

[@rajeevgoyal4429]

@@fsxeryt4186 Yeah I am serious, don't act like I committed crime lol, I am learning things at my pace

[@johncanaparius3233]

Love the videos but kind of cringe when you say niner in the intro (we‘re not on radio)

[@JimWhitaker]

Why do you cringe? He was also using the phonetic alphabet for the letters - don't you like that either?

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

John Canaparius - Yes, but, if he said "nine", German viewers may think he is saying"No". The reason, they elected to use the phrase "niner".

[@QemeH]

It's the NATO phonetic alphabet, not only used in radio but all verbal communication. To avoid confusion, callsigns are pronounced with this alphabet in english communication. "NINE-ER" is the correct way to pronounce the digit "9" in a callsign.

[@VASAviation]

We're not on radio but indeed we are on an aviation channel.

[@CapStar362]

@@VASAviation exactly @John - cringe all you want, this is a aviation enthusiast channel, VAS is a pilot himself, let the man run his channel the way he so chooses to, dont like it? oh well, there are hundreds of other Aviation Channels were you can spend your time. once you learn that way of communications, it becomes a lifestyle, i am a retired SAR/HEMS Pilot ( medically retired ) i catch awkward looks when i say NINER also because im so used to it. along with phonetic alphabet when describing a letter to someone to help them understand when something is misheard like a E to a B and so forth.

[@big_beethoven]

eighth

[@michaelfridlin8042]

First I think