American battery company reveals amazing LFP battery price & energy density

American battery company reveals amazing LFP battery price & energy density
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[@ChadCourtneyTAZ427]

I'll remain dubious that it's a win for multiple reasons. 1.) I doubt there's a weight savings 2.) By having a shorter range LFP portion you're going to shorten the LFP portions overall range 3.) No details on energy density, self discharge rates, costs, charging speeds, ... I think it's everything they said it is, but there is a lot as usually that they haven't said, and those are the things that almost always are the drawbacks, of which I only mentioned a few potential ones.

[@CommentaryTeam1]

For example?

[@halohat2286]

"I'm Sam Evans and you're watching The Electric Viking". Perfect, finally 😊❤

[@christopherhamilton5557]

Wow it really was!!! 👏👏👏 he said the thing!!! 👏👏👏👊👊👊💯💯💯

[@jonbenet1272]

Gemini is LFP cells + LMO cells. Their site says, the anode free, uses a manganese rich cathode. I like the idea cause the LMO cells only go into effect after the LFP's 150 mile charge is used. So the LMO cells charge the LFP cells, so they are being used only after the vehicle depletes the LFP portion of the pack. So it really isn't that complicated, you daily charge the LFP portion and the LMO kicks in on road trips. I am guessing their Aries II is LMFP they say it an upgrade from LFP. I only say that because they speak about manganese and iron in their sustainability section. JUST ADD #25

[@chillfluencer]

Stupid idea...bnever will reach mass production.

[@kickithard]

This is what I had deduced also. I guess he didn't fully read the info on their site. Plus, the whole anode free term simply means a graphite and silicon free current collector(or anode, lol).

[@najibyarzerachic]

I had the same idea LMO like that produced by Invision AESC for Nissan leafs.

[@bridicot]

One game changer per day

[@protagonist9716]

It's getting more and more clickbait and much less game changer

[@camronrubin8599]

@@protagonist9716eventually there will be actual breakthroughs everyday, technology advances faster and faster everyday

[@ctuna2011]

There LFP battery has twice the watts per liter of the major known LFP and LMFP's . I think that needs to be proven.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

They did an interview on Autoline After Hours yesterday. The one sobering point made was that they think we are eight years behind the Chinese. I do wish them luck. They said they would have limited cell production by the end of this year. I wonder how similar this is compared to the new CATL battery you talked about yesterday. One thing is for sure, battery technology is quickly evolving. It has a long way to go. Who knows what the mature composition will end up being for an EV.

[@reubencarter3004]

The fact that there are American companies producing advance batteries gives North America automakers alternative battery options for their EV vehicles. It is not wise to solely rely on just Chinese made batteries no matter if they are cheaper than American made batteries.

[@Liam-ql7tr]

People say we are behind in battery tech to Chinese but the fact i dont hear any thing about Chinese batteries other than are cheaper production ( do to slave labor). Not because they are better.

[@HKChineseCanadian]

@@Liam-ql7trChinese slave labour is a lot more productive than American slave labour. Lol

[@TheIntelligentVehicle]

Of course, if all you're implying is that they don't live in a free society, well, I won't disagree with you there.

[@palmj5718]

@Liam-ql7tr Don’t hear? Have you ever watched any videos from the electric viking? He has been explaining the battery technology and trend million times.

[@GlenisRetiredNZ]

That's smart. Surprising no one thought of it before. Even the 150 mile smaller battery is probably plenty for several days. This would be perfect for people like me. I'm retired and drive short shopping trips of 15-25 km 2-4 times a week but I need a bigger battery for a 600km round trip every month.

[@satoau1]

same here. i hoped for removable modules - cells you keep as part of your home battery but can be removed and put into your car for when you need to go further. lugging around a much bigger battery than you need 90% of the time is just wasteful.

[@GlenisRetiredNZ]

@@satoau1 those batteries are heavy, I'd rather not lug them around but I'd love a bidirectional battery that I can plug in to my house. Solar to charge the car battery during the day and discharge at night to run the freezer etc

[@satoau1]

@@GlenisRetiredNZ sure you could always just leave them there as part of the car battery, and i don't the entire battery, i mean if like half of the car battery could be removed as say 10-20 5kg modules and inserted into the house battery instead, so we could remove or leave in as much as we need, and enjoy the benefits of having a much lighter car for most of the time, while also having a larger house battery.

[@yvan2563]

@@satoau1That would also have the other benefit of companies being able to sell cars with different battery sizes and allow customers to buy more modules later and also replace worn-down modules themselves later. Possibly even allow us to buy different battery chemistries, the modules would communicate their specifications to the car/house charger.

[@satoau1]

@@yvan2563 wow good thinking, you're absolutely right. hmm come to think of it would let you insta-charge also - park up, get out and swap out some empties for a few fully charged modules from your house battery

[@ColinWatters]

Interesting idea. Using one technology for frequent shallow discharges and another for infrequent deep discharges. I suspect if your car had one of these batteries it would be best to charge it every night so you dont dip into the anode free part very often.

[@sjsomething4936]

Agreed, it would be really good for a battery that can handle daily commuting for the vast majority of people as well as having the range to go on weekend trips or occasionally a long vacation drive.

[@LB3rd]

Sandy Munro did a visit to this company about a year ago. He seemed impressed. CATL batteries discussed.

[@trainman9119]

The thing about EV mileage is that, at typical USA Interstate speeds (70-80 mph), the range of any EV is 60% of EPA stated range (50% in winter). I’ll keep my ICE Honda for awhile.

[@DominicDSouza]

Thanks for this great update. I'm finding that you really seem to be providing information that is not coming together in such a succinct way in pretty much anywhere else. 👏

[@solos-g1j]

@@jprt3270 While you on the contrary deserve full credits for moaning ...

[@johncgibson4720]

Refreshing news. I got the same alert on my google news page.

[@briangman3]

Your the battery news king!

[@LJ-jq8og]

I am sick of his battery stories... ENDLESS...

[@xiondFirst]

​@@LJ-jq8ogthen don't watch it lol.

[@brunosmith6925]

"Your"? ... you mean You're (stands for you are).

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

​@@xiondFirstit's like spam at this point. Every company is claiming they have the next breakthrough and blablabla but in reality, the can only achieve their claims under lab conditions and there's no plan for mass production. It's all vaporware... like Toyota claiming to have solid state battery for the last ten years.

[@solos-g1j]

@@LJ-jq8og Since when are you obliged to watch them ?

[@icosthop9998]

Ok what about Sodium Batteries? 1st to give a thumbs up 👍 And 1st to be 1st 🤗 🥇

[@liamredmill9134]

It's good to finally see these reductions in cobalt and Nickel making it into the world

[@chillfluencer]

...you mean like in LiFePo⁴ and Sodium-Ion batteries...or CATLs new Shenxing?...

[@yggdrasil9039]

This was what was going to happen with capacitor-battery hybrids, so that capacitors would take the initial charge and then transfer it to the longer range battery. In fact you could even add a third component of the capacitor to what these guys are doing: 1 Capacitor, 2 LFP, 3 long range battery. So capacitor for quick top ups (fed by the LFP) and short bursts of acceleration, LFP for daily driving, and other Lithium battery for long range.

[@matthiasknutzen6061]

Capacitors have worse energy density than lead acid batteries though

[@yggdrasil9039]

@@matthiasknutzen6061 Yes, so you'd have 2 or3 kWh capacitor, 20kWh LFP, and 40kWh the rest.

[@skipondowntheroad5833]

I think current lithium batteries are sufficient for charging/discharging at high rates. If ultra-capacitors offered some benefit, you would already see their use in Teslas and other EVs.

[@carlcadogan4510]

Think this is good in terms of the approach. Yes each chemistry has it's advantages. Combining them can have advantages. This is exciting stuff right here.

[@glenn726]

A big risk I see for the legacy automakers in addition, to can they sell what they manufacture, is that they are investing in yesterdays battery tech. It's clear that range, charging, cost,and safety improvements will continue

[@northerncaptain855]

How many hundred claims have we heard about miraculous increases in capacity at low cost. Fairy Dust construction is so much better than lithium.

[@humanbass]

Lfp is at least proven tech.

[@tttran60]

The range of current EV is fine with me, I just hope to buy an EV that not caches fire while sitting in my garage.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Just don't buy any EV other than a Tesla

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

@@harmony3138 That lawsuit is a joke and is going to get thrown out. Tesla doesn't claim or dictate the range on their cars, the EPA does. It says on the Tesla website.

[@brunosmith6925]

WOW... A cheaper battery for Ford and GM ! They should move quickly... Instead of losing $40,000 per car, Ford can boast that it only loses $39,500 !

[@johannel8104]

The CEO of the company was interviewed on AutoLine After Hours last week. He sounds like he has his sh*t together and he came across very knowledgeable and confident w/o any BS. They are still small and it's early days, but holds a lot of promise. I think having a secondary battery will be especially applicable for towing (which most people only do occasionally). But I don't think this is a long term solution since battery energy density will become good enough in 5-10 years that you won't need a dual/hybrid approach. For now it's a possible option.

[@astewart1900]

Who needs a 600-mile battery? After about two hours of driving I’m starting to calculate how much longer/further I have before my next stop. By two and a half hours usually my bladder or stomach or back is complaining. My distance between charging stops on long trips is determined by this and charging station locations, not the size of my battery. Charging time is a function of how much I need to get to the next charging stop, not how big my battery is. 2018 Tesla Model 3 LR. I’ve twice done multi day 2000-2500 mile trips, and many more in the 500-1000 mile range. I’ve driven ~900 miles in a day twice. My charging stops, unless a meal stop, are usually just enough time to take care of those bodily functions - bathroom, buy snacks and drinks, and walk a few minutes. At least for Tesla in the U.S., battery sizes are big enough and charging is fast enough today. Larger range batteries are a convenience, but I wouldn’t spend money to buy anything over 300 miles of EPA range, and I certainly wouldn’t spend extra time on the road to charge a bigger battery.

[@DarylOster]

Non-annode battery is likely a "battery" that uses air oxidation (for instance the aluminum-air "battery"). The term fuel cell would be as accurate as the term battery in such a case.

[@dunks4212]

excellent video. Cost and battery longevity are the 2 most important factors when looking for an EV so manufacturers using LFP will be my future choice like the low specs MG4, BYD dolphin or Volve EX30. It will be interesting to see degradatoin data of these over 100kms.

[@leejordanful]

I haven’t watched this yet but you need to give some context regarding your previous video about CATL. They were going to become the monopoly supplier of batteries.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

This is definitely something that we all need and want!! Why is it not on the market yet? Especially on the British market!! Come on? the battery manufacturer!! Bring this battery to England!!

[@robertdavidson3090]

Sandy Munroe interviewed the head of the company maybe 2 years ago. Sandy was very positive about what they were doing so I would think that some of what they are touting now is legitimate.

[@valeriocugia3956]

Fiat has proposed a battery modular system where you would have a fixed one (or two?) battery modules for everyday use, and then rent from the dealership up to three extra battery modules for long trips. This would avoid bringing that extra non-used battery weight around and would reduce the cost of the vehicle. If the dealership is not far away it would be easy to implement. For my budget and car use this system would be perfect. Hope it becomes reality.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

this just seems over complicated. if the battery cant handle the excess charge cycles thats more over complication and potential excess replacements that it needs to be. would be more beneficial to have it entirely LFP if people are not using the 150 miles daily, then why have an over compilated battery that will never use that excess? when your range drops in half when its over 105F outside you will over use the "backup" battery that cant handle the charge cycles too. on paper it sounds good, but unless they can make that battery lighter, and take far more life cycles then it make sense. just make the battery lighter, less earth materials, cheaper, and have at least 350mile real world range at or under 60kwh in size...one type, keep it simple, and make sure it can be charged to 100, and at least 3000 cycles.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I'd like details on how the different types of cells are connected and used. Are they just in parallel, or does there need to be some power conversion circuitry to enable energy transfer from one battery to the other? If so it's not so simple.

[@bryanst.martin7134]

That's interesting news. I was thinking a high capacitance capacitor to accumulate a surge and vice versa. Just put a 20KW system in a 37' Irwin to replace the 4cyl Diesel. Test ride tomorrow. Under sail she can regenerate the batteries.

[@kenkrick7596]

Find out more and keep us posted! I'm not buying an EV without an LFP battery..

[@DanielASchaeffer]

Anode-free explained. All batteries have an anode and a cathode. But battery makers also use the term “anode” to refer to the active material placed on the battery’s current collector during the manufacturing process. This material may contain graphite or silicon. We create our “anode” without this material. Instead, during “formation” - an essential step during which the battery is charged and discharged - small amounts of lithium plate onto the current collector. This process forms the anode in our anode-free battery.

[@davidelliott5843]

LFP has a very good charge rate and a very low self discharge rate. The snag is poor cold weather performance and if allowed to stand in a discharged state they will brick themselves. The charge and discharge stop is also abrupt. It causes a significant voltage surge which has to be managed.

[@NC.237]

This is amazing idea

[@johnbrown4568]

The Viking just announced: “Flying Cars for Everyone Next Month” 😳🤣😂

[@lmamakos]

My bladder doesn't have 600 mile range capacity, so stopping to drain and charge is a practical solution if there's adequate deployment of public charging resources.

[@stevetodd7383]

How the heck do you make a battery without an anode? The anode is what the positive terminal is connected to. The cathode connects to the negative terminal. Unless you have both then you get no current. The anode may be free of a particular element (like Cobalt), but you need to have something.

[@dpevjen]

I don't think they should use the term hybrid when referring to their new battery. Hybrid is a word currently associated with a fossil fuel-burning electric contraption (basically a Toyota Prius).

[@andreasklossek9252]

0:33 I mean, they get out less lately.... But i have no doubt, that there companies out, that mainly focus on getting fundings....

[@thatsawesome2060]

More major breakthrough mean I will wait few more years with my ice car, untill they are done with all the breakthrough and produce cheap, safe, reliable, and give us generous range to drive.

[@uludak8468]

FYI: the thruth about cobalt, it is a byproduct from copper/nickel mining industry. cobalt has a limited usage such as batteries but c/n have a far larger variaty of usage. as long as c/n are mined, some cobalt will always fall of wether you like it or not. or are ya going to tell us now to avoid c/n to safe those poor childs in the african mines? currently only15% of the global cobalt supply are used for battery production.

[@thirsty3333]

I put 256k miles on my tesla wonder if this Gemini battery can handle that I drive a lot with frequent charging

[@TecnamTwin]

Tesla actual has a decade old hybrid battery pack patent. It's a great idea that I hope actually gets deployed in a customer product.

[@chualcvn9832]

Sodium battery: Charging time: 15 minutes Range: 120km or more

[@emoney822]

#nnomf is the anode supplier for one next battery

[@freetorobandloot]

This is the company that uses battery to charge another battery. They claimed their batteries are cheaper than lfp but with higher energy density.

[@mikereinhardt1244]

I have been wondering why companies haven't made EVs this way for a while. Lyten have very high energy density, are cheaper than NMC (maybe even LFP) cells, so you could make a sodium ion 150 mile range battery and a lithium sulfur 450 mile range battery and you would only use the extra during a road trip. Seems perfect, more range for lest cost. The problem is that the lithium sulfur batteries have only 400 charge cycles. So I think I figured out why they don't do this, and it is the warrantee. Keep in mind that the US and the EU both require a warrantee for the battery of 8 years and 100K miles. For most people that arrangement would work fine. But if you bought this car and used it as a rental, or a taxi, it ain't going to last. Since the manufacturers can't control how the car will be used for the warrantee they just can't afford to take that chance. That is why they are moving to LFP, aside from cost, is they are far less likely to ever need to be replaced under that warrantee.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

I could do with a battery like this could go into my Renault Zoe!!

[@kirkellis4329]

The Aries LFP battery pack specs are underwhelming. The 79kwh pack is 550kg, giving an energy density of just 140wh/kg at the pack level. That is on par with other LFP cells at 170wh/kg given the weight of the pack casing, wiring, bms, cooling, etc. taking it down from 170 to 140. What is below par is that they only rate that 79kwh pack for peak power of 120kw/(160hp) where the average EV LFP cells can discharge at 3c continuously, which means 240kw(320hp) from a 79kwh pack. So these LFP cells in the Aries are definitely geared to long cycle life and low power, more like an energy storage battery than an EV battery. Having two 400v packs in a car, 40kwh LFP and 50kwh NCM would save you 400lbs of weight compared to a 90kwh all-LFP pack, and the logic of using the NCM only for trips over 150 miles would extend its life, but you throw away the safety factor of having an all-LFP pack. If you are going to do that, might as well go all-NCM and save another 200lbs weight. NCM is now pretty reliably 1500 cycles, and with a large pack like 90kwh, each cycle would get you 350 miles. That is 525k miles until the battery is down to 80% capacity, so the car still wouldn't be dead, just down to 280 miles range. For most drivers, the car would be 40 years old before it hit 525k miles.

[@sb5580]

On a two part battery where one part is different, In this case the shorter cycle count anode free part, wouldn't it make sense to have that kind of battery swapple, so that normally you could drive around without its weight, and the be able to swap it out as needed .?

[@FlorestanTrement]

The twin battery might look like a good idea, but, this would mean very little power for the "daily" drive part. And I mean power, not energy. So when you punch it, would still go have to fetch power in the other battery. Or have very poor acceleration performance overall.

[@craig8031]

Good luck trying to 'invest right now' in ONE. Be sure to follow up with the ticker symbol a retail investor can use btw.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Sounds bloody great

[@jbp122]

American tech is going to save the legacy us car industry.

[@dannelson6980]

LFP would not have fixed the manufacturing issue in the LG batteries. Electrical shorts start fires everyday.

[@teepatchong5668]

I believe once they built the factory and mass produce it.

[@jimgraham6722]

The idea of matching an aluminium ion/air battery to LFP as a range extender has been around for a while with research going on in Australia, India, Israel and the US. The Al ion segment holds a lot of charge for the weight, but has limited cycle life. Vehicle ranges of up to 1,500km are expected. Cycle life seems stuck around 100 or so cycles😢

[@najibyarzerachic]

Aluminium air battery is totally diffrent than aluminium ion battery

[@jimgraham6722]

@@najibyarzerachic Agree, both are under consideration and being experimented with.

[@jameshack485]

Bird in hand theory. I'll take CATL's battery that is on sale commercially versus a start-up's battery that may be available someday that might or might not work. And I'm sure the Chinese are working on this anyway

[@andreasklossek9252]

11:53 Maybe they have something different already, we not heard of ^^ Maybe they need some more partners, then just one tiny to build a line.

[@gregp.7148]

This is the company ONE.

[@mlbaker40]

Hey Viking, do you think there's a chance that cars will simply be able to just exchange batteries like a flash light? I have a 2016 leaf, and 2015 volt. If I could swap out my leaf battery again with a better battery, it would be awesome.

[@bruceburns1672]

Another wonder battery , it's raining cats dogs and Batteries , this era of Wonder Batteries reminds me of 100 years ago when they had horse and cart wagons with slick sleazy shonky Salesman flogging Snack Oil.

[@wjkalana100]

I thought CATLs new battery put everyone out of the market😀. It is laughable that some KZbinrs talk about science and battery chemistry when they probably only know about chemistry or battery chemistry are those 2 words

[@hobo1704]

Not sure if these claims are true.. Good to see you using those words considering you were wrong AF about no EVs burning on the ship..

[@concernednewfie]

My sub here did last about 1 week, before I realized you are just spamming others articles and are indeed a Tesla shill. Opinion confirmed on the Reddit posts. Sadly KZbin still recommended.

[@andreasklossek9252]

9:51 800+ Wh/L the world's highest energy density cell 2025 mass production of ****** Silicon for the Not saying which company, but they already have factories running for them and are based in the US.

[@Shane-zl9ry]

Cheaper battery and their price will not go down. 😏

[@MrGMawson2438]

Spot on Sam

[@satoau1]

one more step - make the anode-free section removable. no sense lugging it around during daily driving.

[@philiptaylor7902]

Interesting concept. Sounds a bit like a range extender. I hope they do well

[@bradleyanderson4315]

I would have to see this extensively tested . Even then I wouldn’t buy it until the second or third year.

[@estchu]

Many of these claims are designed not for productions but for future litigation should there be anyone actually make them commercially.

[@DarkVader-jj4dt]

It was only yesterday you said that CATL batteries owned the market and that anyone can undercut them for a while, but eventually they would fail. I'm skeptical, America doesn't do anything cheaper. There have a myriad of magic battery solutions all of which have failed.

[@intellectualraven4411]

This is game over 😅

[@mirvine1]

Except that EV just did a vIdeo claiming NOBODY can compete with CATL.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

VinFast lost 23% of its share value last Friday.

[@williamgidrewicz4775]

All these dang promises and please I don't get mistaken Sam you do a great superb job on keeping us well informed. Maybe some futuristic new age Nikolai Tesla reincarnated and shows how to tap into the earth's electromagnetic field for all energy needs. One "battery to rule them all and in the darkness illuminate them"! Then those inner earth races emerge and tell us to pay up as we are drawing energy from their grid😢😅

[@SolAce-nw2hf]

Not impressed. 12% off is a black friday discount. And these batteries still rely on Lithium, which will become a problem as demand grows and NMC EV's just recycle themselves.

[@colinpalmer9070]

Yeah. BMW are not going to be using Aries. The power density is so low. Peak power from the bigger battery is only 130kw. So will not give a good performance EV. Range is fine but car will be very sluggish.

[@mnhsty]

What is the name of the company?!

[@antoniopalmero4063]

It’s all about the price .

[@GoCoyote]

"We shall see," said the Zen battery master.

[@bmookk]

자동차 왕국에서 일회 충전시 주행거리에 크게 관심없는것에 놀랍다

[@stanmitchell3375]

Good enough for planes if the battery lasts

[@MyUtubeScott]

Reality is, when money and human enginuity get together you can invent iPhone, rockets that return and land, and etc. Unfortunately a lot of early EV adopters will take a financial beating.

[@xaionik]

All of those you mentioned cost millions to get off the ground. EVs are no different.

[@adrianabshire]

What is the name of this company??? Out Next Energy ONE???

[@DahGrill]

Those batteries look massive, really thick which is not a good thing for passenger cars.

[@arthurthomasware5004]

Who knows? Maybe we'll eventually get to the point where an EV car battery will be about the size of a shoe-box, give a 1,000 miles of range, be safe, be able to be simply slotted into place by the car owner and able to be bought at Walmart, for $20.00.....

[@GlenisRetiredNZ]

Plus charges from a couple of solar panels built into the roof and a mini wind turbine built into the grill

[@Yubuzka3774]

I don't this company is publicly traded. Can anyone confirm?

[@fxo1024]

It is not publicly traded.

[@MichaelEdwardWright1]

Watt-hours per kg, not Watts per kg, mate

[@gammelskrot]

Game over!?

[@nio6297]

Hopefully 400 mile LFP EV batteries wlll revolutionize electric cars.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

CHEAP batteries and no-frills cars will revolutionize the industry.

[@rickybosephus2036]

Game over! ...again

[@williamscoggin1509]

So once again the clickbait title. Nothing about this product verified.

[@jrb_sland]

Using one battery to charge another battery is nothing new, but has the obvious disadvantage that energy will inevitably be lost during the transfer from one to the other, which can only reduce range. Who are they kidding? I'll await independent testing, & predict there will be sub-optimal results. Prove me wrong...

[@pathfollower]

As soon as they can could be a very long time.

[@iangannon8543]

Tbh 350 range is enough to account for degredation over8 years

[@zemo2332]

Let me guess mate-game changer! Again 😂