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[@andreanecchi5930]

As you said, the American companies expect Europe to accept their policies ahahaha, haven't they learned from Wallmart's failure in Germany?

[@charpost62]

or McDonalds trouple in Denmark

[@Luziemagick]

Yeah, but i don't know why but there are some expats who say what country xyz can learn from the US..still waiting what that is(i lived there and yes i learned europe is a better place to be)

[@stiglarsson8405]

Or ToysRus problem in Sweden? Im a proud union member that was involved in, kick them out! They left and sold to a German company how know better!

[@Luziemagick]

@@stiglarsson8405 well done germany says

[@magdalenabozyk1798]

@@stiglarsson8405 I supported that fight! I still never set my foot in Toys'R'us.

[@charpost62]

Not only do you need good reason to fire people in Europe, you also need to give at least 3 month notice period. You can terminate from day to day but you still have to pay salery in the entire notice period

[@magdalenabozyk1798]

In Sweden it depends on what you are terminated for. If it is because you punched your boss in the face for no reason, you can go on the day (even be escorted by the security out the door - I've sen security escort done once, but not for physical violence - it was for "illoyalty"). And you don't get any salary. You can also be terminated this way if you refuse an obvious order, do a criminal act, or have been warned several times in the past for doing things that go against your contract. If you get terminated due to work-shortage and bad times, then you get several months notice, depending on your (and your union's) contract. These tend to be different lengths depending on how long you've worked there. One month being the shortest. Both of these forms of termination are called different things in Sweden. The first one is called avsked, and the other one is uppsägning.

[@karstenbursak8083]

Reminds me of walmart pulling out of Germany in 2005 After a Court ordernd their „ethics and conduct Code“ unconstitutional

[@x_Dutchess_x]

It's also why we hardly have to deal with Karens. We are protected so they can scream like a banshee to the manager all they want 😂we won’t get fired.

[@BlaauwKlavertje]

I work in retail in the Netherlands. We do have lots of Karens to deal with. Only our managers are on our side and not on the side of Karens. That makes it bearable.

[@femkefeenstra7754]

@@BlaauwKlavertje Ja, al zijn die Karens in Nederland peanuts vergeleken met wat je in de States tegenkomt. 😅

[@stiglarsson8405]

If you then go north, to scandinavia one dont get sued by employees, but there union.. on there behalf! You have alredy stumble on that in "How Denmark took down MC Donalds"!

[@brunobastos5533]

i saw that about Mac&D´s

[@houghi3826]

In Belgium you can do either. Or go through your Union or go to court yourself. And if you are not with a union at the moment of dismissal, you can join one right on the day. That is if they do not take your case without you being a member. And you can pick between several unions. And the company does not care if you are union or not. I know in my company who the representatives are, but other than that I have no idea who is union and who is not.

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

All the best from team Netherlands "-)

[@pipco121234]

Same here in Oz , if it’s a frivolous reason you can sue the company and probably will win

[@johannesmarkstrom3241]

Well, she is right in her analysis. You have shown a lot of clips about working rules in Europe and this is just an example. She mentions the 8% of the salary that we (at least Swedes and Dutch people) get for vacation. The companies has to pay the worker extra money for the vacation. Isn`t social welfare great!

[@intellectualnerd4544]

Yes but some Americans will call it it socialism which it is not.😂😂😂Social democracy and socialism are two different things.

[@snorpenbass4196]

It's a shame we're gonna lose a lot of it now that we have a government that thinks the US is the model to emulate instead.

[@brunobastos5533]

Americans called it Communism because they didn´t get it

[@Tim_Shu]

Also in Australia, healthcare worker we get 17% extra for our holiday leave

[@51bikerboy]

@@Tim_Shu 17% of the annual salary? That's 2 months salary extra!

[@kennethluddi8929]

Would the Company also, have the cam on in the toilet….. Coming from Denmark, I am shocked 😱

[@Luziemagick]

Well, they are obviesly Don't mind a shit show...lol..who knows how far they go..horrible.

[@magdalenabozyk1798]

Before the webcams and cameras hanging around your offices, the companies loved key-press loggers. So that they could see what you have been typing at work. I'm fairly sure these are illegal in Europe too. Including unreasonable cameras at work (that are there just to supervise you).

[@ericdpeerik3928]

Yeah, that's illegal in Europe. Also, I would type random words to keep them busy all day 😂

[@magdalenabozyk1798]

@@ericdpeerik3928 lol!! I heard of the a guy who at the beginning of the century used to sign all his e-mails with words like bomb, and similar trigger words, in the smallest font, so that they couldn't be read by a person. Just to break the system that was searching for all those words.

[@whybother987]

In the Netherlands you can have cameras in hallways, but not around actual workplaces

[@Gert-DK]

That's why US are thousands of kilometers from Europe. 😆

[@charismahornum-fries691]

It’s the same in Denmark. Except it’s not legal to use bodycams on employees. At most there’s a gps tracker in company cars so that they are easier to find if they get stolen.

[@Luziemagick]

Yepp here in germany, too. I like it for various reasons..e g. for the case the employer has an accident(god beware) help is on the way in no time.

[@therealdutchidiot]

Yup. And the GPS can only be read when there's actual cause. Ofcourse, when dealing with delivery companies there's cause at basically all times for delivery vehicles, but with leased cars and stuff you simply can't do that.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

And if you're allowed to use it for personal reasons, it needs to have a privacy switch.

[@gulogulo7636]

They wanted to be able to se the employee's faces, so that they could monitor the response to the wokefikation course!

[@ericdpeerik3928]

I think you'll find the Netherlands pretty darn woke to start with. We've had tolerated marihuana from before I was born, and we were the first country in the world to allow gay marriage. We don't only have legal abortions, but also euthanasia. Enough wokeness to make an American cry 🤪

[@AlphaSigmA1]

It seems like a terror what usa companies do to the people.

[@ericdpeerik3928]

LOL! There are actually good American companies. It's just that the bad ones are REALLY bad 😂

[@randar1969]

@@ericdpeerik3928 Till they fire you an you lose insurance benefits.. Dutch companies don't pay health insurance for their employees. Everyone is required to have one themselves mandatory by law. If your income is up to 20% above minimum or somewhere around government will give money so you can afford this is a grand/gift. The amount is based on your income, so you can always afford one. And they cover everything except for 360 euros ($390) own risk/year. (guess what happens if you can't afford that either you probably guessed right) It's really true, it's impossible to go broke on medical bills.

[@mrd4785]

Most big multinational American companies do the right thing in foreign jurisdictions and I don't know for sure, but I think they also respect and value their workers and their morale a little bit better than the average company in the states. I know Chevron in Australia used to give all their office staff an extra day off each fortnight and its probably still the case. I got good vibes whenever I had to go to that place to do consulting work. I think employees love that mutual respect and it goes a long way.

[@mrt6768]

An extra day off really is nothing compared to other companies in the Netherlands. A whole month off every year is very common there. (100% payed)

[@CorporateG0th]

Well they traditionally hire local legal counsel and/or local HR management because laws are a hugely national level issue. They would be conscious of these local regulations and prevent decisions like these being made. Perhaps they skimped, or they didn't care, or the manager involved didn't bother to run their decision by legal and thought they had the prerogative.

[@roadrage9191]

Used to work for a big American company in the Netherlands, they never did something stupid like this, at least that I know off.

[@peterkeijsers489]

And guess what? I bet that particular manager who fired this employee got fired right away!

[@jpfoto64]

The biggest problem in us law is that it mostly is created for large compagnies. It is for a large reason, due becouse of the politacal systhem were so called donations are prevelent. Donators are not donating but buying political influance so legislation is mostly in there favor. That is why workes have very fewer rights than in europe. The average disposeble income in the usa is lower than in europe dispice lower taxes, but healthninsurance is much, much more expencive. No vakation days by law, etc. Minimum wages are below poverty lines. If you rent a place to live, you can get trown out verry easy In the netherlands renters have more rights and to get rid of a renter, the owner has to get trough court to be able to expell the renter. In general, people are better protected than compagnies wich results in fewer homeless people, less stress and happyer people. But also, when people are happyer and not have to fear for there job every second, they feel more commited to the compagnie and have a more healty work etic that also bennifits the compagnie. It is an investment in people and it pays its devident to healthy compagny's and a better balance in welfare and income.

[@larissahorne9991]

In Australia it's quite common to make fun of our politicians. But there's one former Prime Minister who's name will really upset us "John Howard" too bad there's an Aussie Actor by the same name. During his one term in office he basically tried to and succeeded in stripping our workforce of some of our rights. It was called "Work Choices" and it allowed Employers to get away with behaving as badly as they do in America. Also like Donald Trump, he couldn't believe it when the people voted him out of office during the next election. We just plain wanted him gone. The next Prime Minister got rid of Work Choices. People came to view Johnny Howard as a Rich Entitled Brat, who hadn't a clue about real life or people.

[@Luziemagick]

Oh man Big Brother is..Controlling much huh..smh..

[@guyvandurme7228]

You will become a real european continuing that qay...😀

[@almalipovaca6654]

So, what is your point?

[@daphneschuring5810]

move to Europe

[@janolsen9856]

NAAAAA alll wrong. she can be bought like jewelery