Is .30 Super Carry a Dead Caliber?

[@ESMaddock]

There are like 4 guns chambered in this round on the market. S&W Shield Plus (which I own), S&W Shield EZ, Nighthawk 1911 (out of most people's price range), and the Highpoint carbine. The reason it is not catching on is because there are too few guns available in the chambering. I've found recoil similar to a 115 grain 9 mm. In all the gel testing I've seen it has much better penetration out of a short barrel than 115 grain 9 mm.

[@AmmoMart]

That has definitely been a large hurdle, and significantly, no models that would make people stand up and say "Oh Mama". I hope this will change, but only time will tell. Thanks for viewing and taking the time to comment. I really appreciate the different viewpoints.

[@AxbuIVIe]

There's also the performance center shield plus, hoping they drop it in the equalizer, want to get that extra long mag for .30 super carry too. I wish high point had taken it seriously and uped the round count, and other companies would take interest...

[@alejandrovargas7592]

So, .. practically speaking there are only TWO guns that the vast majority of possible buyers are actually going to be interested in. In all five gun stores in my area, there's almost zero interest in 30 Super Carry, and no pistols or ammunition lately at all. Smith & Wesson didn't market this nearly well enough. Also the ammunition shouldn't have been so high priced. These days more than ever, people are more dollar conscious because of so high an inflation. Many buyers these days are ladies, seniors, or other first time buyers. Most probably aren't aware of this new caliber. But everyone has heard of 9mm, and even 380 which has made a comeback. 38 Special revolvers are very popular too. It's unfortunate, but I believe that 30 Super Carry is quickly going the way of 45 G.A.P., .. 327 magnum, and 357 SIG.

[@nickdonalds0546]

You mean nighthawk?

[@ESMaddock]

@@nickdonalds0546 Yes. Thanks. I edited the post. Also, Avidity Arms is releasing their PD10 in 30 SC, adding another handgun option in the chambering.

[@michigunsanta8680]

I love it! GrabAGun has the Sheild plus in 30SC for $299 you can’t beat it! Optics ready, night sights, 16rd extended mag so 17 rds of a very effective cartridge and extremely easy and concealable package, what else do you need!?! 🤷‍♂️👍🏻😏

[@3rdpig]

I've got a Shield Plus in 9mm and one in 30 SC. In my little impromptu and unscientific tests I place the two calibers on par with each other. Yes, the 9mm does more disruption in gel, but the 30 SC penetrates better, has nearly as good expansion, holds more rounds and has less recoil, thus faster follow up shots. Also, much like 10mm I believe the 30 SC is underloaded in factory rounds.

[@ShawnShipstad]

And it cost you more money.-The "Super Carry".

[@libertyprime9307]

Do you notice the trigger pull weight being slightly heavier on the .30 SC version? I've heard it's at least a pound heavier than the 9mm Shield Plus.

[@kkilesso12]

Wait till Sig comes out with p365 chambered in 30 SC and 16 round capacity. Then everybody gonna be buying it by the truckload, raving about how amazing this round is 🤷‍♂️😁

[@Chaosmos_1349]

The way Sig has been going lately, they are gonna cram 20 rounds in that sht somehow lol

[@MJ-rr4hd]

X macro will have 20 rounds for sure. I really wish they do a 5.7 x 28 ....... on the X macro version. it'll have 25 rounds of 5.7 in that magazine.

[@Serenityindailylife]

Won't happen, federal and Sig are not friends.... hate each other from what I was told at SHOT last year.

[@HalfCrazy520]

What's wrong with a 365 in 9mm? It's already as popular as pockets on pants... so why would SIG bother?

[@codyprice4592]

This gun actually made me open my eyes to even start a youtube channel on it and ballistic testing. I think its a hidden gem. Nothing like grabbing a compact to head outside and it holds 16+1 in the shield plus.

[@327Federal]

States with 10 Round magazine restrictions have created the greatest obstacle to 30 Super Carry. Rational people love the concept of having significantly larger magazine capacity. People in Restricted States such as New York and California cannot benefit from the ammunition capacity advantages that 30 Super Carry offers.

[@michaelr130]

I guess it’s a good thing that Supreme Court is saying that mag restrictions are unconstitutional and forcing those states to recant those laws, or blatantly say they refuse to adhere to Supreme Court guidance.

[@paulross9287]

EXACTLY!

[@OllamhDrab]

(Well, on the brighter side of it, it seems to have inspired a lot of nice-sized stuff about the right size for about ten rounds. Ten rounds single stack that size is fairly appealing as something non-chunky to wear around, even with a spare mag or two. Especially for skinny folks. :)

[@Precocktrigger]

Connecticut also🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@dhamilton201]

Unless they want an even smaller gun to deep conceal and still have 10 capacity.

[@bustabass9025]

Nothing wrong with the 30 SC cartridge. Some people just piss N moan about nothing. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. If you do like it, as I happen to, it's good to have it as another option. I own the S&W EZ and rotate it in my EDC usage. No complaints, nor do I give a shit if someone else doesn't like it, or for no reason other than their opinion say it's dead. It's very much an active part of my collection.

[@Sparks68]

If it floats your boat, great. Good luck in finding parts for your pistol and ammo for it in a couple years. It's a caliber that's going nowhere - created by manufacturers to generate marketing hype and sell new stuff in a saturated .380 ACP and 9mm Parabellum marketplace.

[@bustabass9025]

@@Sparks68 Not sure about boat floating but I'm not prone to hand wringing over hypothetical parts or ammo availability scenarios in the near or distant future. Being a thirty year handloader and never having had a functional problem with any of my rifles or handguns over the past sixty-plus years, makes both of your arguments non-starter issues as far as I'm concerned. Still, a good cartridge and pistol combination in my experience.

[@Sparks68]

@@bustabass9025 I've reloaded my own ammunition at times. Brass can only be reloaded so many times before it must be pitched into a recycle bucket and sold for recycling. Good luck when you try to find new brass for your reloads as your existing brass eventually can no longer be reloaded. Your pistol springs will eventually need to be replaced but I suspect the lack of brass in the caliber will hit first. It doesn't matter how "good" the cartridge is, or isn't. It's going out the same way of Sony's Betamax video died during the home videotape Holy Wars, even though it was a better technology than VHS which overwhelmed the marketplace with the sheer number of VHS manufacturers, marketing and lower prices. Enjoy it while you can.

[@bustabass9025]

@@Sparks68 I don't share your pessimism.

[@richardmead9225]

Well Federal has kept the .32 H&R Magnum alive since the 80s.

[@PassivePortfolios]

Same energy as the standard 38 Special but with 20% higher capacity in a J-frame revolver. It is undergoing a revival of sorts. Plus it is interchangeable with the 32 Long and Short for those who want less recoil and blast.

[@snakeplissken44]

Interesting point

[@chuckdavis1323]

Getting a 32 mag soon

[@gonzob9609]

If you reload, it's a no brainer. 327 Mag, and 30 SC. I have, and carry both. Uses the same bullets, and are interchangeable. I think you're missing the point of the round. Sectional density. It penetrates, and does a lot of damage in the process. Can we get a measurement of the diameter of those expanded, spinning Gensu knives that penetrated 21.5"? Sounds like a probable crit hit to the spine. Overpenetration IMO is overrated, and much better than a miss any day of the week. It's funny they keep coming back to this caliber that Colt saved their business with, the 1849 32. Sold hundreds of thousands of them. Other highly successful 32's, 32-20, 32-40, and 30 Tokarev. If you don't reload, and are reliant on the local store for ammo, stick with the 9mm, it cost me around $.20 cents either way.

[@CyborgZeta]

Ammunition diversity is good. When everyone was hunting down cartridges like 9mm during COVID, there were other cartridges that were easier to get; something to think about. For me, if I was going to carry an autoloader, I would absolutely opt for a Shield in .30 Super Carry. The ammo isn't prohibitively expensive, and the round can get the job done with higher capacity. Same principle with .327 Federal Magnum in a revolver (well, except for the cost bit). I'm fine with going for a less popular cartridge while everyone fights over 9mm. Just my two cents.

[@Lord-Of-Light]

I’m in the process of buying a shield for a new carry gun. And I planned to get the super carry instead of the 9 mm version until I looked at the price of ammunition. At double the cost per shot I couldn’t justify an extra three rounds in the mag. to me being able to afford to go to the range regularly to maintain my skill and be competent with the gun is more important than having a couple extra rounds and with ammunition prices what they are it makes it hard to justify the expenditure. That’s my only problem with the super carry round. It contains less material than the 9 mm so should be cheaper and yet it’s double the price still almost 2 years after it’s been released

[@TTime685]

It's still a very new cartridge though..and "trendy". They had to create all new machining and designs behind it, so they're probably trying to make up for the cost 😌

[@MR.IceCreamMan93]

30 super ammo went down in my area

[@Lord-Of-Light]

@@MR.IceCreamMan93 in southern Indiana it costs about $0.55 a round. and I can pick up 9mm range ammo for $0.19 a round.

[@TimAnthony-j9z]

Check out the Avidity Arms 30 Super Carry handgun.

[@MacXcode]

Excellence video analogy of .30 Super Carry and its comparison! Two Thumbs Way Up! Thank You for this!

[@leroyjenkins4811]

Considering there isn’t much of a difference in performance between 9mm and 30 SC, I’ll stick with 9mm. I don’t want to buy and stock up on a new caliber. 9mm works just fine. However, if you carry a 30 SC, you won’t be under gunned. Carry whatever you like and whatever works for you. They’re both good rounds. They both work. I just personally don’t want to invest in a new caliber.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Aye. I will say though, The biggest advantage with with this cartridge is in full size handguns and pistol carbines, where the extra capacity will actually make a difference. You gain about one round for every five over 9mm. (6 rounds of .30 instead of 5 rounds of 9) It may not be much of an advantage over a 10-12 shot compact 9mm, but in a 15-17 round 9mm sized gun, you'd get 19-20 in .30 SC, more with extended baseplate. Carbines are where the advantage really shines. 32 round 9mm mags would suddenly jump to 38-40 rounds of .30 super carry. Not an insignificant increase. The biggest benefit for subcompact pistols would be lesser recoil, so that's for the end user to decide.

[@leroyjenkins4811]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I don’t think 30 super carry will replace 9mm any time soon. And not many manufacturers decided to invest in making guns for the cartridge either. With the exception of added capacity, what are you getting,performance wise, other than a few more rounds? If you switch from 9mm to 30 SC, you’d have to invest in a whole new gun and and a whole new type of ammo. People aren’t bothering with all of that. Another thing to consider is the fact that 30SC has similar performance to 9mm when compared to flesh and blood targets but 30 SC doesn’t perform well against barriers therefore, it wouldn’t be a viable law enforcement or military round. As we all know, if a cartridge isn’t adopted by the military and law enforcement, it’s practically a dead cartridge already anyway. Considering 30 SC doesn’t do anything 9mm doesn’t already do and 9mm has better barrier penetration, why even bother with 30 SC?

[@LTVoyager]

@@leroyjenkins4811One could make the same argument that 9 mm doesn’t do anything the .45 ACP didn’t do.

[@gamerbg294]

​​​​@@Beuwen_The_DragonAlthough the .30 SC it's a decent cartridge, I believe that it did not bring any significant highlights and also did not know how to explore a market that could have potential, which is the PCC's market, as in my opinion the new pistol cartridges to be successful, they have to be smaller, more aerodynamic and lighter bullets, with larger cases, since it's possible to achieve "power levels" of low spectrum intermediate cartridges with some pistol cartridges (.357 magnum and 10mm auto are examples of cartridges that with a 16-inch barrel, can reach an energy level very close to a 5.56 NATO with the same barrel length). The only pistol cartridge that I currently know of that would fit the description above would be the 7.5 FK, however, I think it's too powerful, as this way the pistol becomes bulkier and is more difficult to design it to be compact and light, therefore, a possible alternative would be to neck-up the 5.7x28mm (since this cartridge does not perform well as a pistol cartridge) to reach up to 7.25 mm (and maintaining the aerodynamic shape of the bullet, in addition to having an even better magazine capacity than .30 SC)

[@gsitzkowitz]

My meager 2¢, I went to a 380 over my 9 for everyday carry. I did so after running timed defensive drills that showed that in a small gun the 9 was just too snappy to run those drills satisfactorily. For me the 380, 365 in my case, was faster, flatter, and more accurate at these defensive drills than anything other than a full size 9 or a 22lr. With the correct ammunition, Underwood Extreme defender or Inceptor ARX, you have a very viable, very shootable defensive weapon. I believe the 30 super carry will flounder as not enough manufacturers are making guns or ammo and the pricing attached to it. As for the 327 Federal, it’s really a shame. For those that want an effective, shootable snub nose revolver it appears to have no equal. Hopefully people will wake up and realize this.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

They make pistol caliber rounds tailor made for short barrels with lighter recoil though a bit more expensive.

[@AmmoMart]

Thank you for your comments! They are on point and I appreciate you taking the time to do it. 327 is a monster for sure and too often overlooked.

[@normvw4053]

I'm working on obtaining a GP-100 chambered for the 327 Fed Mag, I'm intrigued with the possibilities of this cartridge, and there are some interesting possibilities. I have found myself looking into the 32 caliber handguns, from the low intensity, 32 S&W and 32 ACP to the high intensity 30 Super Carry and 327 Federal Magnum, and those in between.

[@SQUID_Road_Glide]

You are asking the right questions. Great review. Subscribed ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret.

[@nickdonalds0546]

Can we get a Walther PPK in 30? Or even a berreta cheetah 🐆

[@Gieszkanne]

No. Its pressure is higher than 9mm +p+!

[@dbeelee8564]

Have you tried 30SC ? Can't like/dislike if you haven't tried it. This ain't stock market tips, folks. Just sayin ... have some fun.

[@dmw3086]

It’s less about disliking and more does it serve a purpose in one’s rotation. And I think for most it serves no purpose if you already have an abundance of 9mm. The extra round or two you gain with super carry also doesn’t offset the lower ballistics of the round. When it was announced it was touted as being as powerful as 9mm and that turned out not to be true and 9mm is to some degree a little underpowered

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@dmw3086 100% agree with you. 9mm is the absolute minimum defensive caliber I will accept... and only because there's 16-18 of 'em in the gun. To me, the .30 Super Carry is the answer to a question no one was asking.

[@Arzman6011]

There is an older cartridge that bridges the gap between .380 and 9mm. It is the 9mm Makarov used by comblock nations in Eastern Europe. It is a round longer than a .380 but shorter than the 9mm Luger, and supposedly more powerful than the .380.

[@ocd7036]

Great channel very informative love it

[@gregblau8082]

I like the idea of 30sc, but would be hesitant. There aren't a whole lot of gun manufacturers adopting it and I haven't noticed the ammo being sold at any local shops (to be fair I've never looked for it)

[@nunyobuisniz713]

I really like the 30 super carry as someone who feels that the power level range between .380 and 9mm is the perfect zone for pocket carry. It's why I like the .32 h&r magnum and .38 special so much. I haven't bought any 30 super carry because the platforms are so limited. I would ideally like a ruger .380 security chambered in 30 super carry and a revolver that took advantage of the shorter size of the cartridge to have a nice short 7 shot cylinder, cut it for moon clips and you have an excellent revolver smaller in OAL than a j frame, with more power and capacity than a 38special, but less kick than .357. Suffice it to say I feel that this caliber is being done a disservice by manufacturers.

[@footballdesk4417]

Higher penetration and designed for short barrel. Most 9mm stats aren’t derived from testing out of a barrel that short. 100% worth using in an ultra small edc.

[@Prepare2Survive]

30 SC has a max pressure of 50,000 psi, 9mm is 35,000 psi That's 43% higher pressure. I wonder if that equates to it being a much louder caliber than 9mm? Similar to the difference in sound between 9mm and 357 magnum maybe?

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

No difference in sound between 9mm & 30SC.

[@Prepare2Survive]

@@PerceptionVsReality333 So you've checked it with a sound meter or you're just guessing based on how it sounds while wearing ear muffs? I find it hard to believe the muzzle pressure and noise would be the same when 30 SC is 43% higher pressure.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

@@Prepare2Survive Outside without earmuffs & there was no difference.

[@Prepare2Survive]

@@PerceptionVsReality333 Thanks, but I don't trust the opinion of anyone who shoots guns without ear protection unless they are using a silencer or it's a 22lr rifle. Let me know when you verify your assumption with an actual sound meter or smartphone app.

[@AmmoMart]

I would tell you that it is not excessively loud, and does run in line noise wise with 9mm. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@TTime685]

30 penetrated more because it's a smaller diameter round.. Less mass, less surface area, less friction.

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

I really like my 30 super in my m@p shield plus

[@modulo3664]

I think forgottenweapons said it best; it would be a great round for PDWs but alas NFA

[@copper178]

The 30sc HST round has 21 ft/lbs more energy than the 9mm 147gr HST, and that is listed right on the ammo boxes. Many cops still carry 9mm 147gr HST rounds in their duty guns, so how is having more energy in a 30sc worse off for anybody carrying a 30sc Shield Plus, especially when the 30sc has +3 capacity over the exact same size 9mm Shield Plus?? I have yet to see YT videos where 30sc HST doesn't expand and penetrate sufficiently in gel tests. It passes the FBI standards and in most of the videos penetrates deeper than the 9mm. The latest video I watched had HST gel tests with 30sc, 9mm +p, 40, 45, and 357sig. The 30sc had the deepest penetration among those calibers and all the HST rounds expanded perfectly, which is what HST rounds are known for. Finding 30sc self defense ammo online has been easy and it's actually priced cheaper in 30sc HST than the HST's in 380, 40, 45, 357sig, and 10mm. I've seen it priced the same as or slightly more than 9mm HST. In a FB 30sc group, there was testing done with a lightweight solid copper 30sc hollowpoint, and the results were extremely impressive for this light 56gr bullet. It's similar to the very light and fast 9mm bullets like from Liberty Defense. The 30sc rounds were putting out over 420 ft/lbs of energy in a yet unrevealed 30sc handgun, over 700 ft/lbs from the Highpoint 30sc Carbine, 414 ft/lbs from the Shield EZ, and 396 ft/lbs from the Shield Plus. I'm interested to see what new 30sc handgun is about to be released?

[@minedustry]

Is there any room for +p or is it already maxed out?

[@ProspectingMonkey]

I been thinking about super carry but, the ammo is 50cents a round vs 9mil 25 cents a round. So its going to a no go till ammo comes down.

[@nickdonalds0546]

Diversification is never a bad thing

[@AdrenalineTheory]

If more guns were manufactured in the caliber it would do fine and be widely accepted. Thats just a fact. If they can get these things to work safely in lcp max size firearms its game over for .380 and itll take a chunk out of 9mm. People are dead set on 9mm as the standard and maybe it just isnt.

[@rsl82568]

Underwood , Lehigh, G9. Has Brought 380 and short barrel handguns to life with the xtreme defense ammo.

[@carolkmc2855]

Does anyone think that some manufacturer will produce drop-in barrels for the M&P, G3c, etc. Then those of us with a cabinet full of other calibers can just do a conversion by switching barrels. Otherwise this new round does not excite me enough to spend another $600 for another pistol. By the way this is a very good video AmmoMart!

[@hoosiercoinreview6428]

Picked up a shield on sale and grabbed 1,000 rounds of carry ammo in case they go the way of the dodo. I still have several hundred 32 silver tip for my Seecamp. 😂

[@samhicks7568]

Great video, thanks. I like the idea of .30 super carry, but if more States start limiting capacity to 10 rounds, I think people may go to higher calibers like 40 and 45 and maybe 40 super. Just a thought.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

If more states start limiting capacity, more people need to become 'outlaws"... Become unenforceable.

[@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor]

It's the same with the 6.8 western, a good cartridge with good performance and pros but the companies just didn't commit so no one picked it up. 🤷🏻‍♂️😔

[@dart336]

it's decent enough of a caliber to trust my life on, it's just a shame it hasn't caught on yet. 9mm/380 is over done, it's like baskin robbins: 31 flavors. they just keep doing weird flavors with 9mm/380. some of these models being released are perfect platforms for 30SC, like the 43x or P365. psa would make a decent buck selling conversion kits for the their 43x clone as well as hi point when they get around to making a pistol.

[@ericgroves300]

“Interesting” is just “meh” with more syllables.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

I find 'meh" to mean 'uninteresting"

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@FindersKeepers88]

Good, thx. True on the built in expectations.

[@MLN-yz4ph]

I have to say Ammogeddon made me start working on getting as many weapons in deferent ammo as possible, I will add this to the list as a range toy. Still I am an old guy that first shot my dads 38 special revolver and Mothers 22 revolver for hand guns. This sounds like a round that wont be around long just because no one is asking for it.

[@michaelwillis5040]

When I saw the 30- Super Carry on sale for under $300 with free shipping I was able to resist but when S&W sweetened the deal with a $50 rebate resistance crumbled. Yes, the extra magazine capacity would be a plus if it weren't for tyrannical politicians passing magazine limits and bans. Brass is impossible to purchase but the ammunition price isn't all that high so stocks can be built up from new. Overall I like the 30 Super Carry and will continue to work with it. Another note is that I doubt there will be trigger upgrades coming from the secondary market simply due the gun's design. Hopefully the gritty trigger will smooth itself out over time.

[@rsl82568]

At the time of Covid 19 Shut down, Ammo was hard to get for some Calibers 9mm, 380acp, and 45acp. But 40cal was still well available. Maybe 30 Super Carry can be another Caliber to get when Crap hits the Fan. Police moving away from 40cal and 30 Super Carry not used by the Fed or State Governments, nor Shipped to war zones.

[@JorgeWashingtonLombaLove]

Excellent presentation 👏👏👏

[@AmmoMart]

Thanks for watching and I appreciate you taking the time to view and comment.

[@scottpearce7466]

S&W isn't helping. They offer the cartridge in two guns Shield Ez & Plus. Both guns are offered in .380 & 9mm with great performance center options. Yet none of those options are available in 30 super carry!

[@Gieszkanne]

How is the blast/noise? From the much higher pressure as 9mm it should be louder than 9mm +p. The strange thing is that most say it has the same recoil than 9mm but some like you say it has less.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

"The bigger the hole, the better off you are..." ::45acp enters the chat::

[@quinnmclaughlin7537]

I got into EDC/CC about the time 30SC debuted, I haven't tried it yet but this video kinda makes me want to try I can tell you now though the selection of guns, is the real kicker, basically No gun manufacturer (other than 3) has seen it as worth while, so few in the shops people can't get a real feel for them.

[@Suplexcityme316]

I’m surprised Glock hasn’t made one yet, they still run out the 357 Sig.

[@dennislloyd494]

Interesting, the second 30 and second 9mm flashed in the gel block, what's going on there?

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

It in my opinion is a higher pressure 7.65 French Long designed for the same purpose, more power than the .32 or .380 and less than the 9mm LUGER.

[@ESMaddock]

It's comparable in power to 115 grain 9 mm, but with better penetration because of the increased sectional density. So it is comparable to a lower power 9 mm self-defense loading. It is considerably more powerful than a 380 (or 38 SPL for that matter) and much, much more powerful than 32 auto. By power, I mean in ft*lbs of energy.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

'Higher pressure 7.65 French long" That's like saying that the .357 magnum is just a 'higher pressure .38 smith and wesson long.." .30 Super carry is *significantly* higher pressure than the 7.65 French long.

[@a10sim]

Always wondered about 30 SC. Thanks for your informative video. I’m happy with 9mm for my EDC rotation.

[@denniswilson4889]

Manufacturers don't ask what's needed. They make what they think will sell. It's a great round. I hope it's here to stay.

[@geoffreybudge3027]

Hard to dump the mag with such a short grip on the S&W . I do like the single stack for hand loading

[@laksivrak2203]

30 Mauser 86gr 1400fps 400ft lbs of energy 30 super carry 100gr 1250fps 347ft lbs energy 🧐

[@Saintbow]

I had high hopes for the .30SC, but it felt like the whole deal with .327 Fed Mag caliber. The .327 Fed Mag went from "Can't find a gun to shoot it" to "Can't find ammo" now to "they made a .327 Fed Mag Caliber?" and "You want how much for ammo?!?!?!"... When Hi-point made the tongue and cheek comment about how they might have plans to make a pistol for the .30SC (just like how their 10mm came out of no where), I was excited. It would give us a chance to play with it, in a inexpensive weapon. But, sadly that never happened.

[@brodyscarlett5527]

I wish someone would come out with a 30sc with an integral comp. Higher velocity would make it a better candidate for porting/comp, like a mini open division gun.

[@ShadeSpacer]

You could make the argument "Not asked for it, don't need it" about many past & present cartridges. Federal is correct, though: it really is a modernized optimization, capability-wise, between 380ACP and 9mm, although in shorter barrels, it appears to be extremely close to 9mm, if not surpassing in this application. Totally agree with you & other comments here, though: the round needs more chambering in existing and/or new handguns, primarily in platforms already chambered in 9mm, to handle the pressures of this hotrod round. Ruger has several small carry handguns which would greatly benefit from 30SC.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

As I stated when it came out, it failed because the designers wanted it to be too much. Needing breechlock operation, it would have been used only in handguns that were designed for 9mm (there's no sense in designing a gun for .30 SC that can't also shoot 9mm). So a more expensive alternative (you can't beat the 9mm rounds by price, with the competition it has between manufacturers) with a smaller bullet in exchange of a couple rounds more in the magazine. Toning it down to be just a little hotter than the dimensionally nearly identical 8mm Roth Steyr (around 420 joules with a 115 grain bullet form a 4" barrel are still comfortably obtainable). It would have been more powerful than .380 ACP +P, with more rounds in the magazine, and still shootable from blowback operated handguns, and THAT would have been interesting.

[@sctm81]

Is that 30SC round noticably louder than 9mm?

[@curtshelp6170]

Federal says it's a bridge between 380 and 9mm but we only see 30 sc in micro 9s. I think 30 super carrys sweet spot would be more in double stack 380s. I would be very interested in a 30sc in a bodyguard 2.0.

[@Salieri47]

.30SC ammo was rarely on the shelves in my area, & at one time Academy had the Shield for $199.99. The timing wasn't very good either, ammo supplies were still up-and-down.

[@dart336]

academy charged me 500 plus tax last year

[@glennsammon4465]

the 30 super carry or the 31 super carry which is what it really is, is an elongated 7.65 french lounge ( which started as the 30 peterson device round but the french widened the bullet from 30 to 31). the 7.65 french lounge was a WW2 service round.

[@stevedaugherty7885]

Gun stores running up the price of the ammo is the only thing hurting this caliber

[@acatinatux9601]

I think the hate for .30SC comes from the fact they released it during an ammo shortage. there was nothing in stores and theyre releasing a new caliber? a lot of people were pissed at that

[@jack_batterson]

Don't the FBI tests involve several gel tests? Plain gel and Fabric covered gel? (And windshields and wood, etc....) Would be nice to see how 30 Super Carry does with those. 30 Super is essentially a straight-walled 30 Luger. The Luger was replaced by the 9mm Parabellum (for the most part). Does that influence the way you look at 30 Super? The 7.62 Tokarev seems to have better ballistics, and is well proven, although has a slight fatter case. Why aren't we seeing more Tokarev offerings?

[@hankwilliams-hx9ww]

I think the venerable 41 magnum is still more common than 30sc and arguably more successful. Even today 30sc is simply not on the shelves. Even Federal knows it's dead because they're quietly scaling back the ammo production.

[@dustinsmith2021]

It’s equal to the 9mm from the half dozen or so tests I’ve watched. What hurts this round is that so many people are invested heavily into 9mm already and 30sc is way more expensive right now and not as many ammo options. +2 rounds doesn’t justify swapping potentially thousands of dollars worth of stock.

[@hellogoodbye3129]

How about a 6inch barrel, a tractor pistol maybe?

[@MR.IceCreamMan93]

It’s more alive then ever , shields in 30 super are 250 at grab a gun and there’s a 50 dollar rebate so yea for 200$ people will hop on it , especially since it’s a great round

[@Mark-o2e]

Was it ever alive?

[@paulmoss7940]

It was born in a time of famine and lived a desolate life of obscurity. Never really fulfilling a purpose or a destiny.

[@UpcomingJedi]

Guns in this caliber will be made about in as many models as there are in .357 magum. When 30SC can stay priced at 13.99/50 and be on the shelf whrn 9mm is 68 per 50 IF you can find it, then that would make it popular.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

Coming out during the Pandemic....It never had a chance.😢

[@dbeelee8564]

A market for 30 Super Carry. Let me say my EZ 30 super carry is always in my range bag. It's the last gun I'll shoot, dessert of the range time. Just plain fun to shoot. Today, I spoke to the Federal sales rep at a store/indoor range during a rangeday promotion about my enjoyment with 30sc. They say word of mouth promotion is best. Well, I can think of another ... the range promoting the firearm and ammo ... which they were not. Typical rent the firearm (promo was for free) but, buy the ammo and can't bring your own ammo for the rental. Standing next to the Fed sales rep was one of the store managers/RSO. Three months ago, he first shot a 30 sc from an EZ, my EZ. Ran 10 rds, ending with a broad smile. Said it was a likeable change from 9mm and 380acp. He may consider adding one to his collection. Not hard to do, since he sold the EZ to me. I'm always asking RSO's to try my EZ 30sc when they have time with the same smiling result. Even when I'm shooting at Sig, which doesn't make a 30sc firearm, the RSO's whom have shot it, like it. A local (non range) gun store sells them ... rarely, because they see no need for it as they have told me. They use all the "internet experts negative opinions" explanations. Also, they haven't shot it, either. So, what is the market place for 30 Super Carry? Capable edc? Yup ! Fun to shoot ? Well, that's kinda an internet credibility question. Seems some expert ranking is necessary to give a qualified internet video. Ugh ! How about mentioning if you liked shooting the gun/round ! Here's the ballistics data and I liked/disliked the shooting experience. I say, treat firearms channels like food channels. Share the like !

[@mothman-jz8ug]

It was dead on arrival. The only buyers have been the ones who jump on anything new that some writer hyped - or because it's "tacticool". This round was one of those things dreamed up to sell to the "tacticool" set or whatever, and was the perfect answer to a question nobody ever asked.

[@charlesbuchanan9203]

I believe it's dead until other manufacturers start manufacturing guns in the same caliber

[@HalfCrazy520]

.30 Super Carry is answering a question no one was asking.

[@basilfawlty241]

So is this dumbass video.

[@alantoon5708]

It is a solution looking for a problem. Ammo companies need to produce what people want..

[@mcampbell1124]

I understand the comment. New calbers are often created so they can have the pressure and perfomance 100yr old calibers cant. 30sc can have a normal SAMI loading pressure of 50,000 because there aren't 100yr old pistols floating around to fire it. 9mm has to limit itself to SAMI pressure that any 9mm pistol can safely fire, hence the 35,000 limit. New calibers must be created and supported on occasion to advance performance.

[@dhamilton201]

Cumon...can you you come up with an original saying? Just because its slow in taking off, or may never even catch on, doesn't mean its not an awesome round thats been developed.

[@bustabass9025]

That's the problem with the Internet. It's produced a generation of non-thinkers who simply parrot comments rather than investigate and conclude based on their own experiences. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen that comment regarding guns, cartridges, and shooting, I'd have more than enough to lay in and keep an adequate supply of .30 SC ammo on hand. Unlike some folks, I did my own research, bought the pistol, and, after my assessment of my own wants and needs, found it is a very good addition to the many handguns in my collection.

[@forestgiest1380]

It still costs the same as 45, 10, & 357magnum. Until the guns are discontinued & the ammunition is 50¢ a round. Then it's still a viable caliber.

[@franzputsch254]

It is as good as a dead caliber because you can rarely find ammunition for it in a gun shop.

[@jwchenard1]

Clearly, if ballistics and recoil are the primary consideration, it's Superior to both 9 mm and 380. Basically the same power as a 9 with less recoil, and substantially more power than the 380, all while providing More Magazine capacity. Ignoring the cost and availability of ammunition the new round would be a no-brainer. But realistically, ammo being almost twice as much as 9 mm makes it a non-starter really. The extra practice of being able to fire twice as many shots at the range really should offset the advantage of the extra two rounds!

[@tonycolca2241]

Introducing a new cartridge is a huge gamble i dont see that much of a place for it. Thereis already a long list of desd calibers ibam sure there is room for one more

[@johng.6833]

Not popular in the United States but in some South American countries. Where are they ban military calibers .......

[@Hogheadsforbreakfast]

Everyone waits in suspense for new stuff to be released and then when new stuff is released what do they do….. they nay-say and knock it every time they get a chance. I’m glad they put out something new, I’m not jumping on the bandwagon yet but if it sticks around I’d be willing to bet that as more manufacturers produce pistols and more companies produce ammo that it grows legs and becomes it’s own “thing”. Curious to see if Buffalo Bore and Underwood are gonna load some hotter ammo and open up the full potential.

[@straight_adventure712]

I also bought mine on Grab A Gun and i love it!

[@OllamhDrab]

So, didn't say much about how this caliber's doing, longevitywise, I guess. For comparisons I might be interested in, say, the overlap between the hottest generally-compatible .380 rounds out there and Super Carry and the mildest 9mm defensive out there. Sort of to see where the ranges overlap. I got curious cause I've been looking at one of the EZs anyway, as something I can be sure to be OK with on occasions of bad flareups of the arthritis and occasional weakness from such, assuming I like the things when I actually pick one up. (And I approve of the safeties I can touch, old-school that way and I don't much like these modern triggers in general. ) But I figure if it might be something I can still use when I get older, you'd hope the ammo for such a purpose would be around a long time, too. :)

[@jasonkeating9958]

I've been thinking about a 30 calibre round that could be easily made a would active be a much better option than the actual round the guns are made for 5.7x28mm, I'm thinking really simple do to the the 5.7x28mm what the 350 legends is to the 556/223, Use the case of the 5.7 and don't neck it down instead just put a 32 call bullet in there instead, Really simple and a conversion will just be a barrel and recoil spring and making the ammo will just use existing cases and bullets no new things required easy and cheap, No think of all the awesome new pistols coming out in 5.7 and the 1 thing most people say is the round is not ideal for defence, Now think about a 327x28mm with a 4 1/2" to 5 1/2" barrel and 23 plus 1 with the psa in a flush mag that would be a bid upgrade, And all the favourite bullet types made in 9,40,45 are made in 30/32, 327 automag no there's a name, With that powder capacity and barrel length 400fpe to 500fpe plus should be easily achievable and is double the 5.7 with much better bullet designs is general, Anyone else think that this is the 30/32 call round federal should have devoloped.

[@preedgary]

According to Paul Harrell"s testing, the 30 super carry vs 9mm, with his real meat ribs and several layers of cloth covering an interior of oranges, the 9mm did more damage. Broke more ribs tore up more oranges. 9 mm was more effective in the most life like damage tests. Oh larger wound cavities in gel. I live in California I can get 10 rounds of 9mm in a CCW pistol now, probably a more powerful gun. Plus cheaper ammo and avail everywhere. I have three 9mm pistols and a 9mm carbine dont want carry another ammo.

[@nunyabusiness1755]

I called this model the new 45 GAP when it released

[@ogbobbye]

can't believe youtube allows you to post a video of beating a dead horse

[@scottpearce7466]

I think "if" the cartridge survives it will become the cartridge of the females & elderly. My wife put away her J-frame .38 for a S&W EQUALIZER in 30SC & is happy with it. Although the J-frame is easier to conceal.

[@ramonesparza8707]

thank god for fast forward

[@jasonkeating9958]

Come on ammo mart don't be so tight get this man some new gel for his testing.

[@theshapeexists]

I kinda look at 30 super carry the way i look at 327 magnum. Its capable. I personally have no need for either. These new calibers coming out in droves are risky when it comes to seeing them available in 20 or 30 years. 9mm is an ancient round that isnt going anywhere. Ill stick with the old stuff. And to all those people saying "well, the government uses 9mm and its the first to disappear when theres shortages". My response is, i buy ammo 15 or 20 YEARS before I even shoot it. If you are buying ammo that you intend to use right away, then you arent ahead of the curve. I just went shooting 2 weekends ago. None of the ammo i shot was from this or last decades purchase. I have ammo from the 1960s i still havent shot. Build a stockpile of stuff you know is going to be around. And continue accumulating if you have the funds. And im insane, so i get that most people dont do what i do. But when there were shortages, i would just shoot less. If SHTF, I'll be glad i kept the ammo

[@ShawnShipstad]

Ya, right, The options are limited at best. They have been trying to promote this for years. I am not doing it.

[@detinator5]

The ammo is regularly on the shelf at my local sporting goods store. There's usually an M&P 2.0 chambered in it at the gun store section at that store. I dont think anyone's touched it since the common calibers have come back on the shelves. If H&K would make a P2000 or USP in .30SC I'd pounce, but that will never happen.

[@brucepierce4971]

A lot more expensive than 9mm and hard to find.

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

It’s a dead round. At academy they are closing ammo out in that round.

[@Wmikewtonytone]

Shit here in pa. Ppl love em

[@lanedexter6303]

Obviously, what sells (or doesn’t sell) a cartridge is more than terminal ballistics. (And Cooper’s Short Form still has relevancy.)🙄

[@markchambers2812]

I watched the penetration test , I like the possibilities. Better than 380 .