AMS 2 version 1.6 has left me CONFUSED!!

[@guitartube5822]

I know exactly what you’re talking about but also have some thoughts. I have been primarily in iRacing for the last 8 months. That’s definitely influenced my initial impressions trying this update. I did a few things that have significantly helped. Firstly I turned the cheesy sliding tires sound way down/ off. Secondly I completely rebuilt a couple profiles for my wheelbase, forgetting what worked for iRacing and just focused on what AMS2 was telling me. Because in many ways I think iRacing over simplifies the FFB to make it more drivable for the masses. I have a decent amount of time (not a professional amount but enough to know a few things) in race cars with big slicks and some of the “weird” behavior in AMS2 compared to iRacing is closer than iRacing to those behaviors in real life. Not saying all the way there but closer. When I let go of what I think it should feel like based on my iRacing experience I find the driving to actually be more intuitive albeit more taxing on me because I have to be on top of it. But my responses to feels are more natural and less “learned.” With much more “tuned” FFB profiles, I am having moments of really feeling the tires a lot. I agree there’s still some “slidey” behavior. I also feel like that’s influenced by the audio a lot. The sliding should go kind of numb in terms of feedback cause you’ve lost rolling friction, but you can still get bumps and skipping and grabbing (think of sliding across an uneven surface with hot rubber) and that’s where I think it goes into that overly “slidey” feeling in game. The FFB just goes straight numb and muted. One other detail that I know is throwing people off even if they don’t pick up on it is the horizon line. Other sims keep the car level through corners and such. We all know that in real life the car leans to the outside through lateral forces. IRacing just rotates with no roll to the visuals. This makes it very simple but unnatural. AMS2 has modeled that roll into the visuals. Just like audio the visual thing creates enough illusion for your brain to fill in gaps. So compared to other sims, this behavior is “weird” albeit more correct. It makes you feel like the steering is one way and the car is another. This is more prominent in VR I can attest to. I never get sick in VR and it took me a day of in and out of the game to get over the initial nausea. The AI for sure needs work still. I found iRacing much easier after a day or so in this version of AMS2. But it also was lacking for me after being in AMS2 in terms of the information through the wheel. I think this is actually a big step forward and good on them for doing it and pushing the boundary. Still room for improvement but I also think this may open the door for more realistic FFB going forward. They’re definitely getting more out of the wheelbase than before. Hopefully they can push further down this path and smooth the issues out because I think this is a positive move.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@guitartube5822 hey man - really appreciate you taking the time to offer such detailed feedback and reflections!

[@linzkirk]

I feel exactly the same, I've been on iRacing for 11 months and I drop into AMS2 & AC from time to time. I found the same in VR too with Nausea, and turned off all camera movement, but the car seems to move weirdly in AMS2. I did a good session on AMS 2 last night. Then did 2 races in iRacing today & didn't want to load up AMS 2 after. It has definitely improved with 1.6. But for car feel I think AC is still better than iRacing, and iRacing is better than AMS2. I know it is subjective though.

[@fan2hd277]

@@linzkirkyou can’t state that like that. I have all the sims and none of them is realistic. All have flaws and very good aspects. The least realistic imo is iRacing. The only 2 things they do right is braking and raining. Tyre physics is awefull and this is not really racing. Just just drive on rails to avoid a 360 even on dry track. Best physics for me have always been raceroom and FFB is AC. AMS2 sits in between all of that. I agree the slydiness is a bit too much depending on the car but for the rest its dawn close and racing is really engaging and not boring.

[@linzkirk]

@@fan2hd277 Like I said, I know it's subjective. I agree there is not one that is perfect, All have flaws and very good aspects. I think the tyre physics in AC are better than in iRacing. But I really feel AMS 2 a bit slidey and a kind of disconnect from the road, but I play it a lot and do enjoy it. I also think what wheel and FFB settings you use make a huge difference, also I only play in VR. I don't have much experience of race room, think I will give it a go after what you said. Ive done a few real track days at Brands Hatch and Lohaec, and a friend of mine races GT3, we both agree no sim feels real mainly due to lack of real movement and G forces. But my friend found AC to feel the most realistic, then iRacing, then AMS2 and GT7 and I tend to agree with him.

[@RV6Pilot]

I have subscribed (paid) iRacing for many years, but this year I let it go. AMS2 is more to my taste now. Thats $120 that I can spend on DCS airplanes and choppers.

[@studlydudly]

Totally agree with you. There is still a little too much slip in the tyres and the feeling of weight being transferred to the loaded tyre is still vague. Everything seems too stiffly setup, this accentuates the feeling of sliding. The AI still seems to struggle at slipstreaming each other, they either pull out too early and gain little momentum or they remain glued to the car ahead.

[@AlistairMcKinley]

02:47 I feel the exact opposite. I really love the feel of the tyres. As they are deforming corresponding to force they have to absorb. But I do understand your opinion. And I totally agree with you about the Oreca 07. It's a great race car. Thanks for your insight on thr new update.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@AlistairMcKinley I can totally relate actually Alistair re the tyre deformation, and in the Oreca and also previously cars like the formula USA 23 and the GTE I felt the same way. It just doesn’t always feel that way in other cars to my hands at least. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and engage with the video buddy!

[@MegaIronica]

AMS2 shines in VR. I even saw some people say that VR improves the handling because of a better perception. It also performs wonderfully in VR. If you have a headset, have a try at it.

[@darrenduerden]

AMS 2 graphics and iRacing physics would be an amazing VR experience

[@Lakedistrictrider]

I've really enjoyed it. Though I've never played IRacing. I think your comment about our perceptions being framed by previous experiences on other Sims is so pertinent.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@Lakedistrictrider enjoyment is the most important thing fella - glad you’re having a good time with it!

[@mrtom2450]

I’m liking this update. I’ve only driven the Oreca, a few GT3’s and a few LMDH cars so far in 1.6. Agree that the Oreca feels fantastic, the LMDH cars feel good as well. For the GT3 cars (notably the Porsche 992), I agree the slidy feeling is still there somewhat (thought the new GT3 cars felt better though). I do find changing setup helps a lot on improving car feel though and extent of GT3 slidy-ness is track/setup dependent (eg I really liked the Audi and Corvette handling around Sebring, and the Porsche felt good there, but the Porsche at Imola I struggled with). Graphics update is good. For the AI, I think it’s improved a lot. I’ve done multiple multiclass races now and seen faster cars being able to get through lapped traffic. Along with seeing AI challenge each other, defend going into corners (player and AI) and give you a battle. To me the AI is more engaging and fun to drive against compared to the other two sims I drive (RR and LMU). Quite often finish a race in AMS2 thinking there were some good battles on track. Way I’ve come to see it is no sim has it all. Each has its positives and negatives. I use RR for online racing (and hotlapping as love the handling) but AMS2 for me offers the all-round best package for offline driving. I can setup a race easily, customise cars, recreate races etc etc. and have races that are fun to drive. So 1.6 is a positive for me!

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Cracking summary of your experience that buddy 🙌

[@fluxahelmi]

AMS2 still my favorit with , for me , best AI. (and all other things) ...this depends very much on your personal feeling and driving experience. With the selection of different Sims, everyone will find their Sim and have fun with it,.... I have found it in AMS2.😅

[@dennisfriesen9105]

Hi Ben,really enjoy your content.Great driving,honesty and enthusiasm!! Re your comments on AMS2 back slippery cars,yes, it sure felt that way to me too. I had a friend over last evening to race with me and we raced the Merc evo,we could not come to grips with how slidy it was almost to the point of frustration. We switched to the McLaren 720, had the same issues.Probably5 restarts later (factory settings) it was the same until I slid out on the grass at Le Mans,in spinning the tires I noticed only 1 tire was burning off.Went into settings changed bumps Front and Rear to softer,changed clutch packs to 2 and brought down the rear ride height 2 mm. INSTANTLY was far better, hope this helps!!

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Oh brilliant thanks buddy - I'll explore that. And thanks for the support re. my videos!

[@RadioAkuAku]

as a devs i perfectly understand how is difficult to simulate real cars behaviour, AI, settings, make everybody happy etc... On my side it's a underrated sim game, the true suite of PCcars2.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@RadioAkuAku oh mate 100% - I can’t imagine how difficult it is. I see a new patch has dropped which may help with some of the issues I had so will be checking that out!

[@simracingnerddad4547]

I started sim racing with Project Cars 2 and i loved it a lot with my cheap Logitech wheel i had back then. That's why i did not hesitate to order it when AMS 2 was announced. Different driving feel does not matter to me I can learn and accommodate myself per sim. What ruined AMS 2 for me is inconsistency of the driving feel. Sim racing is all about consistency (muscle memory). I appreciate their effort and commitment to improve the physics but trying to relearn everything with each update every other month was a big task for me. Inconsistency was not limited to different versions of the updates but between cars within the same update. Same happened to ACC for me as well with the last few updates. They not only changed the driving feel drastically, turned whole setup logic upside down with each update. No one has time to spend hours for fine tuning dozens of cars for dozens of tracks every 6 months once again.

[@papolo2001]

To be honest I think regarding what is “realistic” for a race car behavior and tire model, here almost everybody, including myself, just use our usual sim, usually iRacing like in my case, as the “this is how it should be” criteria for any other sim. I like iRacing but remember it had not very good comments regarding its tire model and behavior from several real drivers when a bunch of them raced on it while COVID. As said I like iRacing and it is my main sim for its competitive system, but in fact I like more AMS2 behavior, for me feels more “natural”, more “analogical”, I would love iRacing with AMS2 behavior and graphics tbh. My only near competition experience was 2 laps in a Porsche GT3 with a local pilot at the wheel in Nordschleife, and I can tell you my previous experience with my normal car had not gave my a fuck** clue on how this car behaved driven near the limit, after that experience I realized I really had no idea at all on how a race car would behave or feel. I am afraid many of us are in the same boat as me and as said we just compare with our main sim as the reference, usually iRacing, to state if other sim is “real” or not, we had not the slightest idea how the tires of a F1 or a LMP2 would really behave.

[@RaccRacing]

I've noticed with AI that if you have less and turn up their difficulty but not aggression, they can race pretty decent

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Very interesting! That sounds like it’s worth experimenting with!

[@DustySticks]

I think the AI for the IMSA content ranges anywhere from okay to completely broken depending on the track you go to. I really hope future development gets focused on really dialing the AI in because as it stands they cannot provide an immersive experience. The people I see praising the AI typically run anywhere from 5 lap races go 30 min races and depending on cars racing they can do a decent job for races that short, but if you're heavily invested in a immersive offline experience with real race distances or even half distances the cracks become glaring quite quickly.

[@charliebeckey6269]

Hey Ben, nice video. Always like watching your content. Like most, agree with you that cars feel somewhat slidey/move around more in ams2 compared to other sims. Positive thing about that is you are able to dance around and above the limit of the tires much easier conpared to iracing for example (whether that's realistic or not is another question). The skill in ams2 is to maximize the grip you are getting throughout the corner and recognize when that happens. I'm enjoying that challenge.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Ah thanks Charlie, and great to hear you’re enjoying the update. Hopefully see you on an online grid if you end up giving LFM a go!

[@LucasJodokast]

i recalibrated my wheel & pedals as i noticed my FFB had been changed, felt different after that but now i feel like i need to dial the FFB back in

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Interesting - I may give a custom profile or two a try as well.

[@numbersevenhull2540]

Spot on Ben, and well expressed. The combination of the physics still feeling off despite welcome improvements and the racing being more quirky than compelling leads me into exactly the same cul-de-sac, often fun but rarely truly rewarding. Slower cars on shorter tracks (Mini's/Oulton) can shine, but it's been 4 years now, Reiza have a licence for IMSA, to add that endurance content would be well over £50, and for that to conclude in an experience for the end user with 4 LMP2 cars stuck nose to trail behind a GT3 on the staggeringly long straights of Daytona, lap after lap, is quite frankly not good enough.

[@A-man-yf6pr]

I agree. I never have felt the car movement has been normal in this game

[@nddLOG01]

Assuming you drive LMP2 and GT3's in real life right?

[@A-man-yf6pr]

@ Understood.

[@A-man-yf6pr]

@Man-Of-Sorrows-2056 That is very interesting. I will look that up. Maybe after driving cars and trucks for 40yrs I have it all wrong

[@stefanschuchardt5734]

​@@A-man-yf6pr you are a truck simulator expert then?

[@A-man-yf6pr]

@@stefanschuchardt5734 I never have played the truck sims. They look cool though for sure.

[@andreic5822]

Do the qualifying session so the AI can ge themselves sorted according to theirs speed and you will have a better experience in the first lap. Also adjusting your brake duct setup -they are stone cold in your Sebring race - will help.

[@extremeencounter7458]

Exactly correct, I was driving the GT3 Audi and noticed it just keeps losing traction, and once it does, you’re not getting it back. Seems like when the tires were cold I could actually hold a shallow, stable drift with throttle modulation. It’s like as the tires get warmer, the cars drive exponentially worse

[@TheCameltotem]

try custom ffb, rack force file. Also set wheel deadzone(ffb deadzone) to 10-15%. I really didnt like AMS 2 before but now its really good. You can really be on the limit and try to overdrive but be punised quickly.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Ooo this is the kind of advice I’m keen to get and try out. Thanks buddy!

[@michaelsims77]

I too didn’t love ams2 prior to using a custom ffb file. Doing so transformed the experience for me and went from not great to very close to equaling iRacing while having all the graphical and ai improvements that ams2 brings. I’ve been using and refining a custom file for a few years now. As they change the sim model it’s been important to refine the custom ffb in tandem.

[@hdvrNG]

@@Ben_LaBroca try V6000 extreme 2 by danielkart on the AMS2 forum. Changes and improvements V6000 Extreme2: 1. The brake balance and feel have been adjusted 2. When braking hard, there are no jerky movements of the steering axle and no strong swinging of the wheel 3. The brake jitter during hard braking has been increased and is now better felt in the wheel 4. The back pressure during braking has been reduced, which was too great, especially in GT3/GT4/GT5 and FWD cars 5. Tyre slip has been adjusted 6. Extreme new grip level to be felt, this creates a great stability until the final grip loss of the cars (no floating cars to be felt) 7. The different curbs and the road feedback have been adjusted. Curbs can now be felt that were not felt by me in previous versions. A very immersive experience on the curbs 8. Static force regulation (for dd bases) is now better integrated into the V6000 extreme2 without any other anomalies. This means that the high forces at slow speeds and in slow corners could be reduced without losing punch or too much other feedback. Struggling less with the wheel means you feel more fine details. dd bases that do not have a static force reduction will now also benefit from this 9. The sliding of the cars has been reduced by the fantastic tire grip 10. The "Flatspot" has been adjusted in both files 11. No wild swaying of the wheel, could be slightly reduced again (in my opinion, it doesn't belong in any simulation) 12. The self-alignment of the steering axle to the zero position when accelerating has been increased on FWD cars and all rally cars ( Dirt Cars / KART CROSS Cars / RX Cars) 13. Adjusted in-game settings and adjusted base settings in both files (dd bases and strap bases) 14. New strap bases added in the 2nd file. So-called hybrid bases, a combination of belt drive and gear drive 15. The in-game value (LFB) has been tried to be integrated into the strap file. There is now no longer a need for (LFB) even for weak belt bases, because this value more disadvantages than advantages. This does not have to apply to pure gear bases like Logitech, here it can still be advantageous to use (LFB) 16. (For V6000 Extreme2) The difference between the front axle and the rear axle can now be felt in even more detail 17. (For V6000 Extreme2) Even less slipping of the cars 18. (For V6000 Extreme2) The high grip level and the stability of the cars could be increased again 19. (for V6000 Extreme2) Adjusted in-game settings and adjusted base settings

[@fastforward7670]

Using the exact same combo with my CSDD+ and for me it’s a better experience than the Default+ profile.

[@justinmuntean7689]

Any advice for a Simucube base ?

[@RST9413]

I was ac and rfactor fan. Played ams few hourse long time ago and i give it another go now,after uodate. This update change the whole experience. You can feel the weight distribution working with the track,feedback,psyhics. I was sceptical and i treat ams like an arcade. But now is totally different.

[@ReverendSimRacing]

Mate what a brilliant balanced way of putting your thoughts across (not that I expected less). The Oreca is indeed superb to drive. Enjoyed the video and your thoughts mate 👍

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@ReverendSimRacing ah cheers Rev, that’s very good of you to say. I really want the game to succeed so hoping as LFM goes official it become an extra place I go online racing alongside iracing!

[@ReverendSimRacing]

@@Ben_LaBroca Hopefully see you there mate!

[@samuelcraigrangi]

Really enjoy your videos! I’m an AMS2 offline guy (with a little RRRE) and used to be on iRacing when I had more time (and better ping) for it - I’m loving 1.6 but very valid comments especially coming from iRacing - pretty different styles and AMS2 would certainly teach habits that would make you slower in iRacing. I need to spend more time with the 1.6 AI, but despite some clear deficiencies I’ve found them overall good and fun, with a large caveat - I’m used to racing AI and being aware of their quirks - coming from clean, quality splits, I can see how those flaws would be more glaring, but so are most human drivers :)

[@HamzaSaleem-ez6dl]

as a frequent ams2 player i agree with everything you said. gt3s still feel like boat and AI is still lacking alot so i pretty much race on LFM.

[@bwm9637]

Gt3 when you have warmed up the tires the back off the car in a corner slides in 😩( you almost think that the back wheels are steering in to the corner)

[@mad-b264]

A Quest 3 or a Pimax, Or if you can grab a Big Screen Beyond VR headset, VR have woken up AMS 2 in my opinion, But yeah I am on the fence with the LMP cars, I enjoy the P1's my self... But yeah AMS 2 got to be the best Sim title with VR, Reminds me of Dirt Rally 2 coz that is also done fantastic for VR, Some sim titles ain't even got VR, lol... I am actually waiting to see a VR company design and create a VR headset purely optimized just for Sim Racing, lol, A limited edition VR headset.....

[@ricwilki6254]

Coming from ACC, I’m struggling to get a wheel and brake set up that feels right. Also the complete lack of flags is poor. You get full course yellows for seemingly no reason, but then you pass a car stuck on track and no warning! Finally, how can you have races where there’s no chequered flag at the end of them?🤷‍♂️

[@SimCurves]

Nail. Head. 200% agree with everything you said there. For slidey GT3s, I always use the example of the BMW M4 GT3 on Imola in default conditions. It just feels so weird. The Oreca is the car I enjoy the most as well at the moment, as it has the least amount of weird sliding going on. Thanks for your opinion, Ben.

[@Bambeakz]

I am glad you did not choose the road “AMS 2 is not a sim” (YT comments 😂) and made it clear it is for the most part just personal preferences. I am simracing for at least 30 years and I would not even play Iracing if they paid me for it. (just don’t like how it drives and feels) I do trackdays in real life a few times a year with a proper car and I freakin enjoy AMS 2, Raceroom and AC (AC only trackdays and cruising) I still see simracing as gaming. Does it bring me fun? Does it feel good? It never gives me the same feelings as in a real car so I don’t really care if something is not 100% realistic as long as it not becomes simcade. Even that I can enjoy but I don’t want that in sims 😅

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@Bambeakz enjoyment is the most important thing chief! The discovery of the Oreca 07 has definitely boosted my faith that I’ll find a groove with AMS 2. Looking forward to LFM calming down and starting with some official series’!

[@fluxahelmi]

👍👍👍👍👍👍I ended up stranded at AMS2. Its my favorit now and have a lot of fun...😄

[@meljer4838]

My first impression was that the ffb still feels almost the same. but the driving and pushing of the car feels better. the back end feels a lot better, and the tires will live longer. still the best thing about ams2 is playing with friends on your own server.

[@captainaustria95]

i absolutely loved the AI racin on road atlanta and sebring, with the imsa preset, medium aggression and 107 difficulty. Did one hour races each and found the AI being very feisty in defending the inside line etc. Had multiple battles against the caddy towards the chicane on atlanta and the fucko always kept me on the outside 😂

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@captainaustria95 haha that sounds mega - will give that combo a try!

[@dave_camz]

Absolutely spot on assessment, I had high hopes for 1.6. Especially GT3 & GTE to feel better but still feel you have 32 bags of cement on the back seat. What baffles me that many other cars are fairly decent. But GT are very wrong still.

[@RST9413]

No,nothing wrong. Most of gt3 cars are rear weight bias and this game with this update make weight distribution working really well now. And i have 800h in AC and 500 in rfactor2

[@BOBOTHEBANDIT]

Great video mate am glad you have gave it a proper go. I still haven't tried it due to a health problem but I hope t soon

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Hey buddy! Hope you’re doing ok now and on the mend. I’m sure you’ll have a blast with the update after time away from the rig!

[@AB-mw8oz]

I've never really liked AMS2s handling, even after the previous update. Cars just always seemed to float on the track, and did not feel like they were actually attached

[@focussimulation7186]

slip and no control past inadequate degree, Blocks of wood suspension, Ai slightly better, so its a yeah but Nah for me......... wait (again) for another update hopefully closer to AMS1 physics!!! Thanks for the vid

[@RTPJu]

I only got a single offline racing with the new GT Classic convertible Corvette with 110% max-agro standard errors AI and the feeling were good, as a gentleman's gathering when I lost the race literally on the last corner by running out of fuel (and past half of the 20 minutes racing managing it). Was a good experience. The physics... I just drifted the car all along. Personally I don't care about AMS2 getting more realistic... I really miss a good career mode (that I doubt Reiza will deliver anything better than the generic PCARS2 career like). I still can't save during races (so, half of AMS2 content is useless as it's focused on enduro), still all the multimodel classes still incomplete (all but Hot Cars and Stockcar Brasil), still can't use the replay time-bar. So, IMHO, AMS2 still have that demo feeling that I can't wave off. PS: All sims are unrealistic in different ways, so I just can't care less about it

[@SlightlyMisunderstood]

AMS2 feels and drives very enjoyably, however if you are not a fan of the way it feels, then the updates are not likely to change your mind. It is not iracing or raceroom. It does not try to be. As an overall package it is an excellent sim racing title, with all the bells and whistles! I have been having a blast on the LFM servers, as well as the single player custom championship modes. 😊

[@RST9413]

Its better than rr. In rr weight of cars is inexistent. Just try a moose test in both. RR is glued to the ground. In ams you can play with the weight of car.

[@andreilengyel]

Laguna Seca AI is messed up at the moment, especially in the first lap. Cars will slow down before that Mothers ad, before taking the uphill left hander, no matter what cara you choose. This hasnt happened before, hopefully gets fixed soon.

[@jamesleegte]

Race LMP2 on LFM! I dropped tyre sound down to 10 and I know it seems silly but it’s actually reduced my perception of the car sliding. It does still have a bit of slideyness and heavy braking dropping into first gear has some weird behaviour, but other than that I’m really enjoying it now. This is the first update where it’s been in my hands for nearly one week and I’m still playing it, usually a couple of hours after an update I’d stop playing it and forget it. Formula car AI is terrible, but tin top ai I’ve been enjoying the main thing that bugs me is the scripted clusters and convoys they keep forming. If you do the same race back to back it’s like Groundhog Day of sim racing.

[@Salod7806]

Im still going to try out this again most likely, im not a fan of the physics but perhaps custom setups may help me there. but im still surprised at how underrated ams1 is. with High aggression and a low powered car such as the f3 at a 70s circuit is so much fun, i spent 20 minutes fighting for p1 with 17 other cars! i hope ams2 can reach that level one day even if that day may be far out

[@darrylcote3971]

It would be nice if the AI would block the inside line occasionally. Every corner pretry much is a simple pass up the inside. Like the game, but still a way to go on a few issues.

[@randydelacruz426]

Spot on for the Oreca LMP2! The other cars like GT3 feel not connected

[@extremeencounter7458]

Damn so it WASN’T just me, one of the race variant sedans was a blast but the GT3 cars kept struggling for traction over timw

[@lugs118]

I agree with you. However, despite its faults, I’m enjoying driving it at the moment.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@lugs118 that is by far the most important thing!

[@RandyMagruder]

You don't specify for the AI what your aggressiveness setting was?

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@RandyMagruder hey Randy - so I’ve tried it on medium all the way up to the most aggressive. I didn’t notice a big change so far. I do remember seeing additional sliders were coming for ai behaviour so maybe they will help in the future.

[@cr3puscul]

I am impressed with the update !

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Good stuff buddy - glad you’re having fun with it 💪

[@Raptor-N-L]

Did you try different ai argressive settings? I feel the opposite for driving with them. But I dont know the ai of iracing. I only played ac,acc, rrre and ams2. Ams2 is my favourite by far. The visuals, the weather, the ffb and the selection of cars. MP could and should be better but we should not pretend other games have not their problems. I know I am not a race driver but when I watch gt3 irl I also see them slide.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@Raptor-N-L hey buddy - I did re different aggression levels without noticing too much difference on ai battles. Totally agree with you on the various things that AMS 2 does really well. 👍

[@tacticalnuclearpingutv290]

Astute observations there Ben. As someone who is very much an AMS2 enjoyer I think you’re onto something regarding a preference to under drive the car if that’s your style. I find with the updates that cars of need to be driven and pushed harder than before to respond at their best. The LMP2 is an absolute gem of a car and very much inspires confidence to push and this responds well. I kind of think it’s to do with the Hysteresis additions to the tyres - Nils Naujoks had a really good video explaining it - the upshot being more push = more load = better response. I find the DTM Mercedes 190E Evo 2 to be a great example of this. It’s a tricky car to drive in any sim, and same in AMS2, but performs its best when you push and hustle it through the corner. As you say, everyone has different preferences and we’re lucky to have different sims able to cater for all tastes nowadays.

[@DjFIL007]

Maybe it's because I mostly come to AMS2 to race the lower powered series (I don't care much for GT/LMP racing in any sim, and admittedly am not consistent enough in faster open wheel cars), but with my favourite combos (Formula Inter, Formula Junior, Copa Classic, Old Stock, SprintRace, etc) I always seem to have great races with the AI which is why I keep coming back as my single player sim heavily using the custom championship mode. I do agree with others that maybe should try custom FFB settings that are shared out there (nice to have that flexibility and ability to really deep dive these settings), though I've never felt the need to use them with my Simucube OSW wheel and my settings (Simucube software and in-game settings).

[@Millencohlin]

I've only tried Formula USA 23 and GT4 since the update and I think it's spectacular 👌

[@SamToulouse]

As a big fan of old and classic cars, I absolutely loved the Copa Classic B cars in 1.5 but 1.6 was a huge disappointment regarding these cars, the only ones that have been done dirtier are the RallyCross... My feeling is that it feels like they just tuned down the FFB to hide the floatiness which feels like an improvement in some cars but absolutely destroyed any sensation in other cars. I also feel there is a major lack of information when one of your tires is just a bit off the track or when you go over a kerb, this led to big spins as soon as I touched the brakes because I did not know my tires were a bit off track but also allows to cut over kerbs at full speed without losing much grip. Focusing on the endurance series is understandable, they are quite popular right now, but there is LMU for that. What I used to love about AMS2 were the Uno and the Puma GTE and I just don't enjoy them anymore after that update.

[@chriswright5016]

It's a big improvement in many ways, but I tend to agree that there's an overriding impression of changing the physics model to feel a certain way, rather than it being the last word in realism. With that said, however, I do like that one can attack the lap in a more sensitive and informed manner. I'll likely get the new dlc after the trial ends. It is nicely done and the developers are clearly dedicated to making AMS2 the best it can be. Full marks for that. The AI I'm less impressed with, however. Still light years behind ACC and iRacing, which are the gold standards.

[@ReverendSimRacing]

Oh yes looking forward to this mate 🍿🍿🍿 😊

[@AllocDK]

I love the LMP2 cars - And imo the gt3 cars should feel like this does, just slower

[@marcosicolo4542]

Assetto corsa is my favorite sim but I think AMS2 is now very enjoyable. I tried a few cars and only the GT3s feel like they still slide a little too much on corner exit under throttle. Overall I’m enjoying it a lot. The sim I absolutely cannot enjoy is Iracing, the FFB, sound and tire model make it very disappointing for me. Maybe give AMS2 a little more time and try some different FFB settings like others have said

[@s3nTer]

Yeah, no, I don't agree with you. Game feels better than ever. In fact is the most feeling alive sim in the market. Just yesterday had lfm race, spun and in iracing or acc that would be game over but in ams2 I stayed hoping for a safety car to show up and it did! You can put less fuel in hopes for a safety car, you can flat spot your tyres, realistic weather, seasons for tracks and much more. In iracing you always have to underdrive the car, in ams2 you can push it.

[@SURG3NT]

Until they change the engine it will always look, feel and drive like Project Cars, I wish the used the Rfactor 2 engine! Then this sim would have been massive!

[@RST9413]

Not really. Now is closer to rfactor

[@SURG3NT]

@ I drive rfactor all the time, and this feels nothing like it

[@kevinhadj82]

Outside of GT3s, which the devs are aware of, I get similar feeling than from other sim now. I do agree though that the Oreca 07 feels a notch above the rest in term of overall quality.

[@SimCurves]

The devs are aware? They (CE) slagged me off in the beta forum for noting the weird feel to the GT3s.

[@Zakalwe-01]

It’s not you. It took me 30 seconds to see that the core issue remains in place. That’s with 1000 in-game before I dumped it.

[@tbainbridge]

Whilst it is a great game, Yep still an unrealistic slidey game, - good on you for having the courage to tell the truth.

[@gab.meister5867]

Is it possible to make a 2025 iRacing Buyer's Guide? I wonder if that changed with the new cars and tracks that have been added.

[@Ben_LaBroca]

One will definitely be coming chief!

[@osg_oldschoolgamerz]

So its not only me! Thanks for your honesty, every other KZbinr thinks this is great, the experience leaves me frustrated!

[@Ben_LaBroca]

My pleasure buddy - get yourself in the Oreca!! 😅😅

[@filiposay]

Just give time to the tyres to warm up, the slide/floting efect disapears. There is a video of an spanish old man, who was mechanic for racing cars and now retired do youtube videos (don't expect high level youtube skills). He is trying racing without TC or abs in different conditions forcing the tyres to the limit, and after a couple of laps of so the car is very similar to what his knoweledge of it (and has a lot) should be. My personally like it, is not LMU (oreca maybe) but damn close. Never liked iRacing ice skating style on the limits and on AC all cars are too easy to drive to consider it real or right (pretty sure if I drive a racing car I would crash on first corner and with AC I can drive with one hand)

[@jamesi2018]

i thought it was a magnificant game before the update now i think its terrible

[@Ben_LaBroca]

Haha well I haven’t heard too many people say that!

[@bhendrikabel]

Spot on

[@ythasht3]

I have tried it but didnt like it, i prefer iracing, rfactor, lmu and raceroom. The last one is so much better than it was. But iracing stays my favorite.

[@RandyMagruder]

I can't bring myself to go back to iRacing after driving LMU/AMS2/RaceRoom. The tire model is just awful.

[@Karto86]

Please check Le Mans :)

[@Ben_LaBroca]

@@Karto86 hmmmm if it’s in the steam sale I might just do that…

[@truantray]

It's a start, not a final solution. I'm not a fan of the graphics, it looks like a console game. AMS2 has a chronic problem with inconsistency across models and tracks. It always feels like patchwork from modders. The new AI are very variable across tracks, ignore blue flags in multiclass, they can take off on straights. The rain physics is not consistent. On some models and tracks, there is barely a rain grip effect in pouring rain. Mosport is ok, based on a pre 2020 version of the track, but it's impossible to exit the pits without crashing. AI brake too soon, but appear to have a turbo button on the long back straight. So, an AI race is constant passing in corners, then getting passed on straights. It plays like an arcade game. Honestly, there are mod tracks in AC that are better, and Pure mod graphics are better.

[@andreilengyel]

The hell are u talking about, console graphics? It's the best looking sim out there. Im genuinely curious what sim looks better to you.

[@richardsracingmad]

Yeah I must say the graphics in V1.6 are stunning, but not noticing any “ huge tyre upgrades” just yet.

[@richardsracingmad]

@@andreilengyelagree, but when I compared graphics last year PCars 2 looked better than AMS2 to me. I think AMS2 would now beat PCars with the new v1.6

[@cruuzr]

​@@andreilengyel there's probably a slightly more approachable way to ask this.

[@jrrs8692]

Console graphics? What are you on about? By that definition then it's one of the best in that department, seeing that GT7 a console game, is the best looking racing game on the market.

[@stiggywiggy5594]

This is because you use to the simple punishment that is iRacing and arcadie of ACC. AMS2 drifting or sliding is because of the speed you take corners in the other titles. Which more than likely In real life would cause understeer which is more realistic In AMS2.

[@richardsracingmad]

I haven’t noticed any improvement ( on a gamepad) in either ( 620 or Supersport) Caterham’s and Opala 86…apart from slightly slower lap times, may due to me initially being over cautious. I can still throw them around RallyX style. However, these are the only 2 cars I have driven since v1.6 Yah, Ben, wise decision to wait for LFM to get out of the Beta. looking forward to a race or two with you again someday.

[@kondor99999]

The handling at the edge of adhesion is still far too forgiving. You’d have to be a complete idiot to ever spin a car in AMS2. IRL it’s pretty easy to do, especially when trail-braking. Back to AC for me.

[@rboettger]

Ams2 is a simcade.

[@mesfigas]

slides are terrible

[@apocalypticweasel9078]

They rolled out a patch yesterday with some AI fixes on it not sure if that fixed anything as i never race the AI ever, as for handling have you tried using the custom ffb settings instead of default and default+, navigate to where you file is saved and open it ffb_custom_settings delete everything in there save a copy first though and paste this in there instead. NAME: Rack_Force (rack (/ arm_force M_max_force_at_rack)) (output rack) (output (* output gain)) (histogram output) -------