AMTROL INDIRECT WATER HEATER NOT WORKING

[@tonym6920]

It’s a good day when Steve is “workin’ again mama” with his sidekick Miss Molly. Thanks for the vid Steve, 👍👍

[@davejames2015]

Guys like this are priceless, has mostly everything he needs in that van and won't take all day running around for parts, love the guys setup. I'd gladly use thing guy if he was in the area

[@davidg7938]

Hearing those dogs barking outside, I'll bet Miss Molly is driving the boys crazy 😂

[@1968madmike]

"No extra charge for the cat piss guy??? uhhhhno. love it Steve!!!

[@craigharding475]

"Is this something that he just hooked-up and it`s been workin` OK?" (The guy did not seem to answer that direct question so directly...just wandered off into disconnect land)" Steve just kept doing his thing to find the answer on his own, and not tripped-up or missing a beat at all. Amazing, his focus!

[@traviswaynedoyle]

Thank you for this. This is 100% the problem we were having. Replaced the control unit with a newer model and we're back in business. Hot water for everyone!

[@billiamc1969]

Greetings from Baltimore...Love Miss Molly...this is by far the BEST plumber...wish he came down here?

[@thomasszilagyi7445]

LED headlamps have gotten tiny and lightweight. Some models have rechargeable batteries and will run all day. Charge them overnight. Look them up at hiking websites. They are not expensive. I love mine for hiking and for the campsite/tent at night. I also use one when I am working on the cars in the garage. They are awesome when working in engine bays.

[@MrShkfins]

We’ve hade our boiler mate for 18-19 years . Happy till last week, getting sporadic hot water. Same issue with clicking on smart control . Only about 10 hours before a nor’easter hit and having to report for plowing during a snow storm , I was able to find and pick up part but ran out of time on install . With no time to work on it we Boiled water to fill tub for a week . Tonight I’m happy to be sitting here after having a nice long hot shower . Thanks again for sharing knowledge Brother !

[@williamalkins1060]

have the exact same thing (wh7p ) installed it 20 years ago . the 130 is the setpt and the green light shows when the circulator is on . when mine gets a brain fart I open the flo-check valve till it comes to it's senses . Nice video steve

[@JohnnyCab]

Probably a .30 cent part went back on that board or maybe some cold solder joints. Steve to the rescue again you all !

[@J-Colt]

Nice job Steven. Those parts guys have a million numbers and letters running through their heads. I know when buying from 2 different places I use they sometimes have different numbers for the same part. Especially in plumbing. Thanks for posting!

[@petersmart1999]

Big parts house here,there is,on guy that knows the skew number for every God Dann thing in the place,it's actually amazing!

[@SmittySmithsonite]

I have the same unit (Installed it in 2005) with a little newer design controller on it than the one that failed here. Anyway, my controller flaked out too after 8 years of use - the display was flickering and displaying gibberish. Was just about to drop $210 (at the time - 2013) on a new one when I noticed a comment right on their site from an electrical engineer - he described step by step how to repair this particular failure. Long story short, I copied and printed his comment, removed the smart board, and went to work. Had to de-solder 6 pins from a relay on the board, and solder in 2 jumpers in the 4 specific openings. Fixed!! This relay changed the controller from 24v, 220v, or 120v power inputs, and it would fail on 220v (explained the flickering), if I'm remembering that right. The jumpers bypassed the relay, keeping the input set to 120v. Still working right now (knocks on wood, lol)!

[@jamesortolano3983]

I think they are the best indirect's. Never had any problems with the ones I put in. Nice to see someone else changing the module. Could not see how they tied 3 zones into relay board, on one terminal. My guess is single zone relays feeding end switch on TACO board,with 1 pump divided by 3?? Any how ,appreciate your video Steve.!!! In the middle now Heat nd air. Not to busy,gonna try nd get a cut in on this old place that had no air. Wish I had those Burnham base board radiators!! New I've got to pay almost 40.00 a linear foot. Don't understand why people take them out??? See you tomorrow. Thankyou so much for all you do!!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

i do not like them and believe the junk ....just my opinion

[@hhprogressiveconstruction1140]

You can tell the second supply house guy knows his stuff knew right away what Steve needed . First guy must be new counter guy .

[@stevenlavimoniere]

actually he been around for a long time .maybe he was just stuck on stupid today... i will give him a break usually he is a good go to guy in a jam top notch A+

[@WeatherNut27]

@@stevenlavimoniere Was cool to hear the call. Best Reality show on KZbin!

[@WeatherNut27]

@@throttlebottle5906 Yup. Happened to me the other day. Plumbing supply house Torrco couldnt find an oil cartridge container to fit an F4 filter which I have a lot of. I believe they changed it to a F80 now. Was frustrating to find. Guy at counter gave me wrong one then said he doesn't have any. Found it online.

[@craigharding475]

@@WeatherNut27 Yeah, man. I run into that too. Half the time when I look in my latest phone book to call a business the phone numbers aren`t even correct! I suspect that there is a wide spread problem with workers being complacent and even "smoke damaged" (if you know what i mean).

[@craigharding475]

@@joep4143 Yes, Joe. I get 2 per year in my mailbox. They sell ADS through them. $$$ You know...anything to make a buck.

[@williegillie5712]

I can see why you have quite a few customers. You treat them right and only charge them for what they need instead of pressuring the customer to buy a new one. That’s how ya keep customers. A lot of people and businesses are struggling with this Corona rona bullshit going around. Nice job 👍 Steve.

[@tjhanlonjr]

Molly is looking very stylish today. Steve is working again momma.

[@Your32Maker]

Nitecore HC65, I used it while working on my brakes, highly recommend... also milwaukee lights are good as well, they have strong magnets...

[@MrShkfins]

Thank you so much Steven

[@hmoorman5882]

Usually the capacitor intern the controller is bad. It provides the low voltage for the controller and the relays. That why the controller reset its self every time it tries to start the boiler. the relays pulls to much power for the bad cap. Greetings from Holland

[@williegillie5712]

Interesting makes sense. With a bad cap it’s not able to start.

[@theoldbigmoose]

Spot on. The main failure mode in white goods is the 5 volt rail filter capacitor and inadequate protection for near lightning strikes. Both are relatively easily solved. For long life (20 years plus) you need to grossly over rate the filter caps. As electrolytics get hot they loose electrolyte, then loose capacitance and internal ESR goes up, that drives them hotter. It's a viscous cycle to control the ripple on the voltage rail. The key gains are to grossly overrate the voltage of the cap. For example use a 50V rated cap on a 5V rail, and to go for the higher Temp rating, for example choose 135 degC rated caps over 85 degC, and then choose lower ESR. Lightning strikes are covered with board level MOVs on the line and snubbing diodes. I also recommend whole house transient suppression modules.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

My controller is a little newer design, and the failure with mine is the relay that switches between different power inputs - 24v, 120v, and 220v if I remember right. When it fails, it defaults to 220v, which makes it wig out with only 120v coming in. I was able to desolder the relay and install 2 jumpers following instructions from an electrical engineer's comment online - been working great since 2013! I owe that guy a half barrel of beer, whoever he is.

[@domingocustodian]

This guy is amazing.the best

[@tdgreenbay]

Another happy customer.... steve has it going on

[@scottk0623]

Steve , do you remember when Amtrol Boiler mates first came out and the sensor went up into a wet well? They can be wired about 6 different ways. They are an expensive control, junk the tank.

[@PRO4XKEV]

Another job well done by Steve and Molly.

[@johnwalker890]

Good job Steve.

[@llzaqwsx]

Hi Steve, Always looking forwards to your uploads! Cheers

[@stevenlavimoniere]

Awesome, thank you!

[@KG-yn9qi]

Like how smart enough to use old back plate, so not to un hook & hook up cables grommets etc.👏👍

[@peteverrelli5797]

Good call Steve. You da man!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

I TRY MAMA

[@Lipstick_zr1]

Steve I work on controls and tight spaces in our plant. I got the plant to buy everyone the EZRED anywear neck lights. Worth the $ NK15 model

[@stevehullings704]

Those amtrols are pieces of shit ,what engineer designed that tank with probe up under like that , never worked in field . First time I had to locate the probe I was mumbling profanities, with a but sniffer watching over me. Good video as usual, keep living the dream!

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job and video like always Steven

[@theoldbigmoose]

Steve how do you handle the situation in your business if it was not the smart control after purchasing it and installing it? Probably does not happen too often to you, but wondering what your business approach is.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

i check good before determining what the issue is if i screw of i eat the shit sandwich so i check good before rushing to conclusions usually i am spot on but not always .. welcome to the shit show

[@theoldbigmoose]

@@stevenlavimoniere Knowing how you are (from your videos) I figured you would do that! Great ethics. Your skill and experience makes for 99+% diagnosis. Thanks for the reply.

[@nmccw3245]

More stock for the truck. 😋

[@rodneyskinner7741]

Afternoon Steve and “Miss Molly “.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

hello

[@hvacmonty758]

Hey Steve I called you today on the the phone thanks again for the videos

[@stevenlavimoniere]

i do not answer out of state calls . to many blowbags wanting free info

[@hvacmonty758]

we had a nice chat I’m the guy from upstate ny

[@mikef8769]

Hey Steve I got a quick question. I have an amtrol WH-7P in direct heater. It's about a 1990. I want to change the thermostat / aqua stat. Do I have to drain the tank down to do so? Or is there an aqua stat tube that runs up inside a heat exchanger? Any help you could give would be much appreciated!

[@gregkeeyako]

Undo the nut and remove the old wire from the bottom of the unit. Push the new one up as far as it will go and then hand tighten the nut at that location. All dry. Attach tge wire to control and good to go. From removing the contol plate to putting it back on is a 15 minute job.

[@dannykeane6565]

steve you shop at jc penny too?

[@nmccw3245]

Wow. Zone 1 is all three heating valves and zone 2 is the domestic HW controller. Just a little bit overly complicated for my liking. If it were mine I’d have replaced that crap HW controller with a simple dry contact aquastat wired to the zone 2 TT and picked up the HW circulator on the unused zone 2 pump contacts in the Taco zone controller. That would get it back up and running with a future project to replace the 2 zone controller with a 4 zone. I love it when Steve has to figure out someone’s Rube Goldberg and get it working again. 🤣

[@Ruben901]

I know this might be an odd request, but any pointers for someone who is starting up their small business? Even if its not plumbing?

[@craigharding475]

I am a retired business owner. A man gave me good advice: he said: "Your customers will become your new boss". So true! Be prepared to work long hours and even weekends. Be careful who you hire! Also don`t expand your customer base faster than you can serve them. You could become a victim of your own success. Monitor carefully what people say about you online. Word of mouth is the best advertisement. Proceed with caution and make mid-course corrections, as you go. You cannot please everybody, be prepared for that. Good luck!

[@Ruben901]

@@craigharding475 Thanks man

[@smitty1715]

Another job well done by the best in the business. Shit happens mama

[@johnwalker890]

Black and blue to the black coming in, it's like a ceiling fan. White to white, ground to ground or green.

[@ClickinChicken]

Hey Steve, my water turned on out of the blue ! It's the hot line to kitchen sink. Mn Deep freeze. Can you come and fix it for me? LOL good times!

[@mph5896]

Did you get 2 so you'll have one in da truck.

[@mickeypace]

I have the exact same unit. It's the touch pad on the amtrol.

[@edswider9309]

That control is not hooked right not hooked up to priority

[@picklerix6162]

Those smart controls are about $100 cheaper online.

[@scottgarloff1390]

I have replaced at least 40 of the amtrol smart controls they all fail just like that. sometimes causing the burner to short cycle.

[@shanebrobst7978]

My amtrol WH7P doing same thing right now and short cycle my boiler.

[@lS-kz2qx]

there's Sreve again, layin down on the job..lol

[@worlddemize]

Amtrol should stick to making expansion tanks that's IT . Ive had to warranty a ton of those tanks . If they're not leaking the control is fritzin out on ya ..

[@craigharding475]

I have had problems with them too. I think it might be a quality control issue.

[@picklerix6162]

I hear those Amtrol expansion tanks are a POS too.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

16 years on mine - no leaks yet, knock on wood. I did have to repair the Smart Controller in 2013, though. Desoldered a relay and soldered in 2 jumpers. Still working for now anyway. I like the way this unit stores almost endless hot water, but like everything in the 21st Century, it's built with low bidder garbage.

[@Fireship1]

The more electronics in an operating control, the greater chance of failure. Unfortunately everything has some electronics in it nowadays.

[@marks.4388]

Afternoon Steven ! Another job well done !

[@joeyf504327]

Id bet that the the temp sensor is no good and that a capacitor went bad inside allowing the dc voltafe drop out everytime the relay engages

[@stevenlavimoniere]

OK SUPER TECH FUCK OFF

[@dosgos]

Wouldn't save any money troubleshooting and trying to rebuild an ancient controller. Replace the whole controller and don't have to worry about controller failure in the near- or medium-term. Heat and hot water are just too critical.

[@joeyf504327]

@@dosgos oh I understand that. Just a shame that usually one little peice failing will cost hundreds of $$$ to replace

[@gregf438]

Nice job bro

[@ClickinChicken]

I'm using a 40 60 pressure switch with a 35 gallon tank. So what we all make our own mistakes.

[@WeatherNut27]

Nice work. Sucks to be a home owner in these situations. An unexpected $600-700 fix. All part of owning.

[@stevenlavimoniere]

JUNK IN MY OPINION

[@imxploring]

Overly complicated systems that are prone to failure and expensive repair!

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@imxploring Exactly like modern automobiles!

[@neilmurphy845]

@@SmittySmithsonite glad are heating system is old school and no wires and pumps everywhere just 1 green pump and a few pipe's and if you want hot water you turn on the boiler yourself

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@neilmurphy845 -That’s the way to do it! That setup worked for people for decades.👍

[@timothymarshall6709]

Good Golly Miss Molly just a barkin and playin da pieaner

[@damanwazhere]

Woo woo

[@joebananas1100]

I have the exact same Amtrol Hot Water Model and I have the Exact Same Issue with the Control unit not sending signal to domestic hot water circultor pump. These control units are hard to find because of the commonality of the issue with thousands of homeoners who have this hot water maker. Come on AMTROL We expected better from a local American Company. You need to come up with a better design control unit. Considering the price your products sell for. Very Expensive.

[@bertharuiz1225]

The teaching & showing how done- good; it’s the 4 or 5 Ad interruptions, distracting. H- owner should watch video on patching small drywall. Save some $ doing it himself. I bet done it. See-do- teach !

[@realestateservicessaleshea99]

When I doubt toss it out👍 Stay safe. Retired keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses.

[@bobbywenger5595]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@specgrade3275]

I guess the no need to drain tag wasn't put back on the temp sensor wire?

[@stevenlavimoniere]

that's only for morons that are clueless

[@johnwalker890]

That's a little #@%& weird. Sounds like the relay trying to kick in and keeps kicking back off.

[@turbo6745]

🛠️👍👍👍👍👍🥃🇸🇮

[@pootthatbak2578]

Why is miss molly got her tongue out and breathing mouth-open on a cool morning, and both of you are wearing a jacket? Just noticed that.

[@seniorcomputer3292]

One of the zones is not connected?

[@dariogiannetti7024]

Cat pizzzzz extra charge

[@billreigle746]

Nice work Steve! Is there a Core deposit on that fancy new $400 controller? Dam!

[@stevenlavimoniere]

YES SIR WELCOME TO JUNK EQUIPMENT

[@imxploring]

Way too much technology to make hot water! If a company designed and sold a simple unit without all the "technology" they'd do great..... of course they'd only ever sell one to each customer.

[@alwaysskeptical7221]

Amen

[@kennethnoga2667]

:)

[@edswider9309]

Steve it is tough will the customer breathing down your neck

[@martiniboy58]

After all that work- WRONG COLOR. Take it back

[@lcampm2]

F word is not like you Steve