Amy and Josh - You should stop being mad at me

[@amanchabra8947]

"They're not his votes." Such a great closing line to this scene and a great perspective to remember!

[@tomshea8382]

I think that's a terrible punch line. The are his votes. He's the incumbent.

[@amanchabra8947]

@tomshea8382 He still needs to earn the votes of the people though. That's the point. Joe Biden was the incumbent too, but his fellow Dems didn't think he was capable of earning the votes needed to win the presidency, so they forced him to step out of the race.

[@hcpsdaviesrp]

Excellent writing delivered by excellent actors

[@ameroux]

"People who are so howl-at-the-moon, lazy-ass stupid . . . " What a great phrase.

[@PeterAden]

There's a lot of those people around now.

[@MatthewGagnon1980]

"I fought you. I lost. I had a drink... I took a shower. Cause that's how it is in the NBA."

[@startingoverat5722]

Loved this series, it’s what we wish the Executive Branch was really like

[@stevechance150]

Have you watched the HBO series The Newsroom? Good writing by Sorkin, in fact, the first eight minutes of Episode one are phenomenal writing.

[@ursaltydog]

History repeats itself... in a twisted sorta way..

[@McRocket]

She got ya there, Josh. ☮

[@tomshea8382]

Nope.

[@HenryBrewerCalvert]

The point of this one is that the votes don't belong to the politicians, they belong to the people voting!

[@elijahcanning3020]

The Electoral College is laughing at this notion.

[@felipepineda1585]

​@@elijahcanning3020- as is the people expecting SCOTUS to be neutral, yet laughing at the idea that they be made by 9 independent Justices

[@1991Historybuff]

'there not his votes' true and they all forget that...

[@jayhardin3259]

Historybuff they’re......

[@derrickstorm6976]

Reality begs to differ, a third candidate always splits the votes of an already established candidate and on whichever side of the spectrum they're on decides which candidate loses them

[@gideonlogan6648]

I don't really like Amy. But that last point she made about taking votes was dead on. That selfish "team player" mentality is exactly what pisses me off about the two dominant party system in elections

[@rambhaskar6728]

That's the reality. In a first past the post system, the election is always between 2 parties. All a 3rd candidate does is siphon off votes from the candidate they are most aligned with.

[@jon8004]

The two party system demands compromise among the electorate.

[@danishpastry2885]

MLP is so beautiful.

[@srooney26]

"I fought you, I lost, I had a drink, I took a shower. Cuz that's how it is in the NBA. You wanna know what I do when I win. 2 drinks."

[@bobgreen1236]

Do I hear a bell? 'Cause someone just got schooled.....

[@DavidBlain4377]

I love how her voice cracks at 1:03.

[@artiecruz9296]

Stackhouse seems like a Bernie Sanders type (old, leftist senator), and Josh is exactly what dem establishment thinks of the Bernie Sanders type

[@faolan1686]

Except Sanders didn't run as an independent because he knew all it would do is split the dem vote and hand the republicans a big win. The problem is your first past the post system.

[@INLegalBeagle]

Definitely not. Bernie ran in the primary, and when he lost, he fully backed his team. This situation is closer to Ralph Nader/Jill Stein. It might apply to Bernie's supporters, though, even if not Bernie himself.

[@nufcedkidyup8627]

This is absolutely the argument against frump.

[@MaSeshield]

I genuinely liked amy

[@ThatIanShane]

Me too, you know why? She's just like Josh.

[@EricMcConnaughey]

Big chunk of the problem is the Electoral College and the two party system. The winner take all aspect of the EC, instead of a proportional vote. And if third parties want some kind of relevance, then they should pull their heads out of their asses and work at building a national party, not just a meaningless candidate every four years. Start at the bottom, local elections, then state, THEN federal House and Senate. ONLY after you build an actual nationwide party apparatus then you can field a truly relevant presidential candidate. Until then, you're nothing but a joke.

[@nathandahl9233]

"I didn't stage a nutty ..." No, Amy, you did that BEFORE you lost. Remember cutting the cord to his house phone and boiling his cell? Right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3a3o4Sdaq59hJY Seriously, y'all can talk about how cute or smart or whatever-you-find-endearing Amy was, but it's crap. She was insufferable, selfish, hypocritical even beyond the D.C. norm ... basically, going by today's standards, she may be the most "real" character on the show, and that's not a compliment.

[@teresasparks8348]

You mean when her boyfriend came home smug from a victory that sold out a key democratic constituency and she took decisive action to remedy the situation? Men who don't like Amy don't like to imagine a world where women won't play small and sweet and demure to make men feel big. Have fun eating the meal you expect your partner to cook for you, my dude.

[@sunnchilde]

Wow. I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with Amy. They ARE not 'his' votes.

[@samspade1620]

How can a person abuse every position and relationship in their life to chase often impossible goals and then be angry when other people win. She claims to be nonchalant about "losing the fight," but doesn't seem to understand that dropping someone's phone in a pot of soup, or trying to put words in the mouth of the first lady are unacceptable. She constantly plays a victim while treating others like shit.

[@javiersp8272]

I know right. She's the best character in this show.

[@archersmith869]

What song is that

[@BOLANAREDE321]

Amy is right that they are not "his votes," but she's still a terrible person.

[@grahamgraham126]

Her method of speech (talking) I find so annoying I need to fast forward any scene she is in.

[@tookiezzz2898]

same

[@bobert4him]

>slap!

[@brianellinger6622]

Do I have a reason to be mad at you?

[@dirdib69]

It's good to see the primary characters get the wind taken out of them from time to time. They definitely are arrogant, in a largely positive way, but I like it when someone else legitimately gets the better of them. It was what kept TWW from being entirely a liberal fantasy.

[@MaSeshield]

I only think Josh is arrogant. I genuinely dislike him so so much.

[@bobert4him]

Boo ya Daddy! Class is ended...

[@BradNewman-r9x]

Listen, I am not indifferent to the argument but their not his votes.

[@coena9377]

I couldn’t stand Amy, but she had a good point here.

[@BOLANAREDE321]

totally agree. I suppose we can file that under the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" idea.

[@joemirotta1242]

Has anyone notice josh and the president have not talked since the argument in season 3 we killed Yamato. I think josh should be mad at President not Amy

[@dirdib69]

And Amy is basically girl!Josh - they could both be rather annoying.

[@jamielumm9583]

This is what I told Clintonistas who blamed Bernie for her loss.

[@BradNewman-r9x]

Election of 2000. It was Nader's fault that Al Gore did not get enough votes to get 270 votes from the Electoral Collge. It was Al Gore's faul for not convincing enough of the voters that he would be a superior Presiden. My God. ==

[@volumeturneddown9401]

I wonder what Amy would have said if her strategy had resulted in the election of Donald Trump.

[@shihoblade]

Idealism vs realism. Sorry Amy but the reality is, they are his votes.

[@notdaveschannel9843]

+shihoblade She's using the fallacy of equivocation around the word "his". Not his votes by right but certainly his in the sense of "will get most of them if the 3rd candidate drops out".

[@lohsep]

ummmm, Amy is taking the realist stance, they're not the president's votes.

[@rgwak]

Those votes aren't Bartlet's votes. They're the people's votes.

[@nudist0885]

shihoblade, you have 1 Republican candidate, 1 democratic candidate, and 1 candidate from a 3rd party all running for a specific elective body that has only 1 seat to fill. One of those candidates gets 34% of the total vote, another one gets 33% of the total vote, and the 3rd one gets 32% of the total vote. Not knowing which person gets how many votes...........what do you say about the outcome?

[@markkond8565]

@@nudist0885 I say that's precisely why more countries should adopt preferential voting systems. Winner takes all is particularly bad at representing the vote.

[@LeLaidbackLauncher]

Not NFL? Sorkin, what you doing?