An 11.1L SFF Tribute - Lian Li | Dan A4-H2O

[@UncleTabaByte]

Your channel made me look at ITX builds again. I''m planning an ITX build for travelling as a backup pc/media server and you've been a great resource :) Thanks!

[@MachinesMore]

Awesome!

[@Vilmir]

Great to see you having a review unit! Your hard, qualitative work is recognized.

[@belema22]

Great video as always! I generally watch Optimumtech first (im Australian) and then yours right after. I find you really get into the nitty gritty and things that many others don't consider.

[@MachinesMore]

Thank you for the compliment!

[@ghost_of_m403]

That paper test might have saved me some blood. YIKES! Thanks for the review.

[@needsomewater]

Stumbling across your channel has been an absolute joy my good sir. Great video like always, keep it up!

[@MoshiCola]

Blooper at the end was great. Top notch content on this channel

[@joeyboy8200]

Stellar review. To the point, informative and covered everything including those sharp edges!

[@kaizerespada]

This case is mighty impressive IMO, only 11L but with modern GPU support & still having great thermals. I hope you will be doing an in-depth series for this case like you did for the NR200. I thoroughly enjoyed that series and they were immensely helpful when I was building my own NR200. I'm now looking to do a 2nd SFF build and looks like this is it! Just pulled the trigger on this case.

[@cat-.-]

I decided to build my first custom PC in my life and this is the one that I did :) I watched more than 4 hours of tutorial to make sure I do everything correctly in one go, and I watched the verge PC build supercut too for good measure

[@gengstapo]

This case is really good. I just bought & setup my rig few days back

[@DanmTheSystem]

This case looks sharp....too sharp. That paper rip was shocking. Great review!

[@suhaimiss7322]

what a great simple reviews & recommendation for this case. Looking forward for this 11 liters in depth build guides. Thank you...!

[@TeamTDU]

16:55 wow that sharpness is bonkers

[@needcoffeepls]

Awesome review. Comparable GPU support at 3L less than it's cousins is really impressive. Looks to have a nice bit of height clearance as well for GPU blocks. Would love to see a custom loop in this guy.

[@MachinesMore]

Cheers. Might have to go without a res in this one but the flat EK res can potentially overlap a narrow enough gpu block.

[@minibotpc]

I have May batch and i can confirm the edges are not sharp! It's kinda rounded slightly and its nice to the touch. I did a full Custom loop in mine with a external MoRa360 radiator so gave me abit more room in the case for cable management and tube running. Really nice and quiet case with excellent thermals!

[@ryanputnam9462]

Great review as always. I'm going to keep this case in mind... It's very tempting

[@spektrumB]

Just order one. Should be fun building it this weekend.

[@rockyyz89]

Love that Outtake :D

[@GonzoGaming22]

Nice ending lollll did you scratch the front panel ? lol, Love your reviews and tutorials ,You're the best out there!!!

[@BelliSenior]

i am in love with this case, hoping it will come to Indonesia because it ticks all my boxes, kinda relieved I haven't made my new PC yet but wonder how this will compare to the nr200 and the new H1v2

[@bobbib4627]

I don't think it will beat NR200, since NR200 got much better airflow in it. But pretty sure it can beat H1V2, the AIO in H1V2 in smaller and the airlow is not so good just like A4H2O, but the difference might not be so significant. and it's ready stock on Enterkomputer, you should get one asap if you haven't!

[@rong.2457]

I’m doing a build with this case this weekend…in an AM5 build with the Ryzen 7 7800x3d and a Radeon RX6800 on a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra board…same AIO as used in your build…I’m going to change out the fans. Wish me luck. Thanks for the in depth video….I have subscribed.

[@mesut7825]

Thanks man. Great review

[@Andreas01]

This case is really nice, might be getting it for my next build.

[@_dracz_]

Another quality review, thank you!

[@jovialvibes5962]

Great review! The timing on this case is perfect. I am curious if this case would be a candidate for a GPU deshroud mod. Maybe even for slim 120s if there isn't enough room for a 25mm fan.

[@jxemc]

Thanks for the video! Please do one on air cooling with this case

[@JkmgChannel]

Awesome! planning to build one soon. Thank you for sharing 😍

[@AxleLotl]

I wonder if this build is one of those SFF cases that would greatly benefit from custom length cabling to help avoid clutter and give the chassis more breathing room to shuffle air about Nice video! Can't wait to pick up this case

[@mikeymaiku]

it is, depending on the gpu you might see the 12 pin connector eyesore and custom cables lets you have the card sit without stressing the cable connections. ( stopped paying attention to the nvidia 12 pin issues so things maybe different connector wise)

[@gammacyn]

cant wait to see a custom loop :D

[@oGoggles]

Would love a comparison between this and the new H1 v2, if you're looking to review that case any time soon. Great video as always.

[@nudexdragon7987]

hell yeah my man gets a sponsor and a review sample lfg

[@ikhyunkim6433]

Mate, you got sponsered! Great work!

[@brandensorensen9411]

Planning on doing a Ryzen 9 5900x and rtx 3080 build in this case. Would the thermals be good enough for gaming and light photo/video work?

[@mdinelle]

Allright now... I will be selling my NR200P ! Great review!

[@johnnyr-518]

Nice review, Wong.

[@disco.volante]

Great review! Unfortunately it won‘t fit the MSI Gaming X Trio cards, at least according to the official specs as these cards are 1mm too long.

[@moevor]

Phenomenal review 👍🏿 thanks

[@zurdo_1981]

Great review!!!!! Looking forward to the video with air cooling (IS-60 evo without the 120 mm fan?) If it is much worse than with an AIO for medium spec CPUs

[@skele84]

Hi. Would it be possible to route those tubes below the psu? Awesome review once again, good job mate!

[@hemlock3577]

Just received mine in the mail today. Edges don’t feel that sharp (so far). Maybe they took your advice into consideration? Also want to say thanks for the excellent overview. Your coverage was a big part of my decision making process to size down to the A4-H2O from my current NZXT H210.

[@RemedyTalon]

I don't know what it is with ITX builds and the desire to always want to go smaller. I started with a NZXT H210 which can hardly be classified as SFF. I now have a Meshilicious which is an outstanding case but I may end up moving to this A4, it seems to be as small as one would practically want to go.

[@theguy8804]

In the same boat, Did you ever swap to the A4?

[@joconnell]

I see you swapped out your ram for some vengeance lpx in the final build? I've just ordered a h20 and I'm up in the air about my AIO. How is the noise from the coolermaster's pump? I was used to using the asetek 645lt in a dan a4 with their gen 6 pump and the whine was a little annoying. The bequiet 240 seems decent with longer pump cables plus the EK basic seems good for noise with the shorter cables like your coolermaster here - whatcha think?

[@binuweerarathne1216]

Absolutely brilliant, you go into so much detail. I know this question has been asked but is there room for a deshroud? My Zotac 3080 fans sound like a hoover and I can't stand them even with an undervolt.

[@CristopherYusuke]

just waiting for white version of this case, will be so sick

[@namnathanielmai]

if possible, please consider looking into the Aklla A4 Pro / Pro Max and Aklla A5 itx case, those are very interesting.

[@erikmckenna3583]

I'm planning to switch from a meshify C to this case and I've been scouring the internet to find data on thermals with the 3080 XC3. This video was exactly what I needed! Honestly, the thermals are not as bad as I was expecting. Is the 3080 undervolted in this video?

[@korezako3930]

Lian Li needs to make vertical stand for this case. Looks beautiful when side by side with the Meshlicious

[@RemedyTalon]

how? either the stand would have to be very tall to clear all the cables from the IO, defeating the purpose, or all the cables from the IO would have to come out the top.

[@OldDolio312]

Aaagghhh I just love my Meshilicious but can’t fight the itch to go even smaller. Wish all manufactures used mesh panels tbh. But you’re telling me it’s showing the same if not better thermals than the Mesh? 👀

[@tegkgiof]

Thank you for the video. Can I test with air cooling?

[@rachelcheung2247]

Waiting for your review on NZXT H1 V2 and the H1 vs Meshy video!

[@jhellier]

Don't like the angular lines of the side IO. I'm looking for something smaller and sleeker than a nr200 (18ltr) but bigger than a4 h20 (11ltr) that can air cool high end cpus with noctua c14s and fit gpu up to 325mm length. Seems like this case doesn't exist yet :(

[@abdulmotin196]

the side panel clips for Dan A4-H2O and NCase M1 are the compatible. I could not find any to buy. Please help.

[@Deathwing2]

This case in black looks fantastic! I'm looking at my NR200 right now wishing it was as slim as this case 😂

[@frankhu8692]

I think that nr200 can be air cooled, less pricy, also comes with lower temp and noise overall, plus potential to cool some of the hottest cpu out there, it has more headroom. So I think that it truly depends on if you use your pc just for gaming or you want to use it for stress productivity and future proof

[@Deathwing2]

@@frankhu8692 Yea I wouldn't change from my NR200 any time soon. I have 7 fans (including the CPU cooler) in my NR200 and it runs so cool & quiet, and there's plenty of room to upgrade. The only downside right now is that it's not much smaller width & depth wise from a mid-tower, just a whole lot shorter. A sandwich layout is pretty appealing from a space-saving perspective, and I like the sharp, clean lines on the DAN H2O

[@frankhu8692]

@@Deathwing2 yeah its clean, i own original a4, those panels can shred potatos lol, yeah nr200 is big, i want to upgrade from the 7.5 L a4, since ncase m1 is gone, meshlicious and verticale is not my style, and other case like lian li q58 or ghost s1 are too hot for 240 aio steup, pluse the price and availability, i think i am still gonna go with nr200p. I especially like its polished round edges

[@cory2300]

I think you may have left the little plastic film on the EVGA card on the logo.

[@bkvm96]

Please do a video on the new fractal design torrent nano. Can you also compare sizes with the nr200. Thank you!

[@kurok1tenshi]

Always loved the meshllicious and always said that its 2/3 liters too big...here is the answer.

[@vlmxs]

Can you pls test it with low profile air cooler and water cooled GPU? I would really like to do a build, but got myself NR200P last year :D

[@GearsScrewlose]

I wonder how much custom water cooled stuff you can stuff in it.

[@memzel]

5950x + 3080 FE? Would you recommend in this case

[@grckvn]

What is the name of the case on the left at 1:43?

[@MachinesMore]

Sliger SM550

[@3rutu5]

you should test the 5800x with these small cases, i'd be interested in the thermals on that with limited airflow and a lot of blockages

[@swizzler8053]

I have an 5900X in an NR200P. Temps are great. The 5800X is an little hot head though.

[@3rutu5]

@@swizzler8053 I have the 5800x is the nr200 and it is quite toasty. Just curious what it would.be like in half the size. I was thinking the other day if it would be worth.moving to the 5900x

[@sentryion3106]

@@3rutu5 I mean this is an aio so most of the cpu heat is already getting dispersed outside from the radiator so limited space isn’t really a bad thing. My meshlicious with a 5800x and 240aio was hitting high 70s gamin load and 90 in Cinnabench so I can’t see how it’s much different here

[@3rutu5]

@@sentryion3106 cool, sounds like your experience with the 5800x and mine are the same, except i got the cinebench down by using a negative PBO curve, so it was 79deg under load. The 5900x might be a worthy upgrade for me though if i can get it cheap enough

[@sanjarkhan1128]

Hello machine sir, if you still have the dan a4 may i ask what the size of the standoff screw for the gpu riser please. Thank you

[@Equatis]

I just did a Dan A4 H2O build with 5800X3D and a 7900XTX. I'm finding that in games like Warzone the cooler can't keep up. Is this because the AIO was cheap ($55) or because it's just too much heat? Or both?

[@joshua33112]

I'm interested in how well an aio liquid cooled GPU will fit this case should you choose to air cool the CPU and leave the 240 rad space for your graphics card

[@Te_LaSoul]

What size 6-32 screws would I need? 3mm?

[@terrificstrand83]

do you know if they fixed the sharp edges yet?

[@RojasTKD7]

Personally I want cases with 280 AIO support, even if it has to be a little bigger. Still this looks like a nice option for a compact yet relatively powerful build.

[@sboy2739]

LIAN LI Q58 is good for you

[@RojasTKD7]

@@sboy2739 Eh, not into that case. I'll stick with the Meshlicious for a 280 AIO or the NR200 for a big air cooler. I have both and really like them.

[@ssjsongoku29ps4gaming8]

Does the ASUS B660I look like it will fit with an AIO oriented with ouputs on the left? I want to build a SFF but the ITX options for the new intel cards doesn't seem great. Aorus has bios issues, And ASUS is super expensive for their Z board, and cooler compatibility is poor. The ASUS B series board looks like it has more space but IDK how good it is. I saw your last video but I want to run a 12700. I have a K version but I don't care about overclocking much.

[@Neikon]

Hello, do you know if an ASUS 6900XT TUF OC fits in the case? plus a Phanteks Glacier 240?

[@kmkzEE]

So keen to swap out my NR200 with this!

[@swizzler8053]

Noooooooo. Why bro?

[@richardgomez8010]

I was thinking the same thing about putting storage mounts in the front! Also to be clear is there not enough space for fan grills?

[@MachinesMore]

If your rad is on the thinner side then maybe. A typical 240 at 27, plus 25-26mm for fans, you have about 2mm there not to mention protruding screws from the center section of the fans, there really isn’t much space for them. Which is why it would be nice if a simple grid were integrated into the rad section.

[@la009895]

If you had to personally choose between this and the meshlicious, which would you pick?

[@MachinesMore]

A4-H2O, but really because I like the GPU IO to be freely accessible, just a personal preference. The SSUPD is better to look at though.

[@Dogzilla07]

Air cooling the CPU with Thermalright AXP90-x36 + Noctua/Thermalright 92x25mm fan + Noctua NA-FD1 fan duct would be really interesting. Or even Phanteks T30-120 xD

[@Titor1021]

looks like an M1 and Sliger SM580 having a love child

[@Camo0o0n]

How would the temps be affected by having the AIO be intake instead of exhaust for better cpu temperatures as in a lot of builds with this case the cpu either throttles or gets very close to throttling.

[@coyotex850]

any idea what the maximum height clearance for the ram is?

[@sovac9107]

Great video would you say this or the q58 is easier to build with?

[@MachinesMore]

Both are what I’d consider moderate in terms of difficulty. The one thing that makes this a bit more difficult than the Q58 is the tubing run and how that impacts the cable management. In the Q58 things are more forgiving with cable management and tubing orientation, and for a beginner or novice, that can make all the difference.

[@sovac9107]

@@MachinesMore okay thanks also did your phanteks t30s not fit?

[@hoppyt3ch]

Would love to see a build w an SFX-L PSU

[@MachinesMore]

It’s tight for sure. In that scenario strapping down the cables would be pretty key.

[@veryas1an118]

How do the nvidia 30 series founders coolers fare in this case, is this going to be like the meshlicious with the standoffs again for optimal performance?

[@MachinesMore]

Correct. I’ve tested it already. Stock it’s actually not terrible, but it’s really good with the extended standoffs.

[@EricMonasevitch]

Any chance of mounting additional *thin* fans on bottom for intake?

[@ReTrOxyHD]

15mm Fans won’t fit. Under the mobo the riser cable and mobo mounting plate is in the way. Under the psu the power cables are in the way. Maybe possible to fit the fan but you won’t gain any airflow. But I didn’t try to fit the fan.

[@chibilawl]

Which would you recommend to someone looking to build an SFF gaming PC, the A4-H2O or the Meshlicious, and why?

[@sentryion3106]

If you need more cooling on the cpu then meshilicious since it can house a 280mm aio. Otherwise h2o all the way since it’s smaller and most importantly you don’t need to deal with right angle video output card for the gpu

[@MachinesMore]

The A4-H2O is harder to build, but like Mike mentioned above the right angle display IO is a pain sometimes. Personally I’d recommend the Meshlicious if it’s your first SFF build.

[@glutenbob8137]

How much cooler would the SSUPD run with a 280mm AIO? all other parts being equal?

[@MachinesMore]

About the same. 240 with higher end fans like A12x25 or T30 can outperform most 280 AIOs.

[@glutenbob8137]

@@MachinesMore Thanks for the response! If I could ask another question, which case would you recommend between the A4 H20 and Meshliscious? Keeping noise levels low being a priority.

[@marchufnagel9068]

Wondering if a 12900k/rtx 2080ti FE would be wise or not? Gaming/web surfing.

[@MachinesMore]

Higher res gaming should be fine. It won’t be great for CPU thermals since the rad would be taking in a lot of exhaust, with 2080 Ti you’re probably looking at 75+ while gaming. Web surfing, yeah I don’t think you’ll have an issue there.

[@rashie]

👍👍

[@faiflowright01]

Is it possible to have 2x 120mm rads instead of a 240mm one?

[@MachinesMore]

For a hybrid card? Probably not. If the rad length is 150mm, 2X physically won’t fit, not to mention the tubing exit option is pretty much limited to one end. You might consider air cooled CPU in that scenario.

[@faiflowright01]

@@MachinesMore Thanks for the info! Yeah, I was wondering if the tubing exit is only one sided.

[@des22059]

In reality it's actually 12~ish liters. Lian Li doesn't include feet and sticking out parts on their website

[@香噴噴-p6f]

this case is indeed better than Q58 , at least it has normal side panel instead those weird half glass half vented

[@MachinesMore]

Yeah, the half and half was kind of pointless.

[@lilith1504]

Shit. I planned end game exactly the day you released this video. Whyyyyyyy!??

[@jameskocks4734]

will this be a limited run product?

[@MachinesMore]

Don’t think so, although like everything involving overseas logistics nowadays, if you want it you’re going to want to pre-order since inventory is likely to come in batches.

[@swizzler8053]

NR200P all day everyday. Keep up the great work bro and stay safe.

[@coolmemesbudd]

Custom loop capable?

[@MachinesMore]

Pump choice is going to be the crux here. Combo cpu pump block is going too tall so going res-less or a very strategic combo of gpu block and flat pump res may be the way to go.

[@malafob]

Good Case but I will keep my nr200p.

[@anggiepratiwi1178]

can you install it with air cooled build pls

[@MachinesMore]

Yup, that’s the plan. (despite the name 😎)

[@UnknownUser-fg3fs]

Size vs ssupd Mesh?

[@MachinesMore]

Smaller in pretty much every dimension.

[@可乐Gaming]

why these case just don't optimise a bit more space for a 3.5inch HDD.......M2 SSD is not expensive now but if you want a 8TB or bigger storage...HDD is still the better choice....

[@MachinesMore]

If you need that much storage with an HDD AND you want an SFF case my suggestion would be the NR200. Builds featuring 3.5” drives just aren’t that commonplace nowadays.

[@可乐Gaming]

haha indeed im using NR200P right now after watched your very early detailed videos about NR200P~~~

[@AM93000]

NO WHITE?????

[@RandomHandGum]

Smooth edged prototype looked so much better... sad😭

[@owlmostdead9492]

God I hate these flat cables, actual cancer for cable management within mini ITX cases.

[@JTCPingas]

I think the braided cables that come with the Corsair SF platinum PSUs are fantastic.