An Engineering Analysis of the Tesla Cybertruck

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@mathew00
@mathew00 9 ай бұрын
Almost 400k subscribers Sandy! Remember when Munro (Cory) started this channel and you didn't think you could change anything? Look at you now! All your work paid off! Respectfully, Mathew
@KAbel415
@KAbel415 9 ай бұрын
What makes this old guy makeing boring videos so special?
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 9 ай бұрын
When Cory suggested you-tube ….
@billcichoke2534
@billcichoke2534 9 ай бұрын
He did chsnge ONE thing...when he toasted the old Ford Fiesta for being a junker with cast suspension subframes, he was right. When he changed his tune after getting paid off by Tesla, he lost all that credibility.
@chatjibpt
@chatjibpt 9 ай бұрын
@@billcichoke2534lol
@loftsatsympaticodotc
@loftsatsympaticodotc 9 ай бұрын
@@billcichoke2534 I disagree. Sandy is so into good engineering, he is infatuated with Tesla. I feel sure that the castings made by Tesla are a whole other level above what troubled those old Fiestas you're referencing.
@ThePhilosophyOfNature
@ThePhilosophyOfNature 9 ай бұрын
Thank You Mr. Munro. I hope I will have one of those in the future.
@Expedition18
@Expedition18 9 ай бұрын
Wow awesome video and feels like you just scratched the surface of the bottomless pit of advanced engineering going on with this company. The bullet proof for me is a great gimic and awesome for famous people or security companies, but stainless steel where I live in northern Canada with endless amount of salty roads eating cars like candy sounds pretty darn good. Also the powering of home is why i watched your compatriots do strip down reviews of ford lightning so having another option for when ice tears down power lines sounds good also. Now I hear Elon has shared 48 volt architecture with Ford. 👍
@jamessorensen1769
@jamessorensen1769 9 ай бұрын
People are missing the real revolution in how the Cybertruck is wired. 48 volts reduces the size of the wire, but multiplexing reduces the number of wires by a huge amount. However more importantly it changes the wiring architecture radically and makes it easy to change the behavior of the car through software and therefore over the air updates. Instead of switches and sensors (inputs) that are wired directly to a light or motor (outputs), the inputs and outputs are now completely separated and don't even have to know about each other. This means that you can turn on a headlight or turn signal or control a seat through the computer, not through switches and relays. It is the computer program that associates a switch with the correct light or motor. This is how Tesla cars can put on a light show with the headlights, turn signals, interior lights, etc all synchronized to music. This is also why you can easily turn on a light or the heater with your phone. Everything is done with software. Imagine you want to add a light bar to your Cybertruck - you don't have to mount a new switch on the dash and run a wire up to the light bar. Instead you mount the light bar and simply connect it to the nearby bus. The light bar has an address similar to an IP address on your computer. To turn the light bar on or off the computer sends a signal out on the bus with the IP address of the light bar. It's easy to add new devices (inputs and outputs) anywhere on the bus. This is a huge change and it eliminates the need for different wiring harnesses for each model or variation of a car. The model 2 can use the same wiring components as a Cybertruck. The old way of wiring would be like running a wire from your computer to every other computer in the world that you want to communicate with. Now that would be a mess! The new way of wiring is similar to ethernet where you have one connection to the world and all communications are done with packets that have a destination address embedded in them. The bus in a Cybertruck can transmit 1Gbit of information per second. This is similar to the WiFi in your house. Wifi has the bandwidth for you to stream a movie, while your kids play internet games, and your spouse listens to music, and your security cameras transmit pictures. This is all done with one signal. Therefore all the cameras in the car, and the 12 speakers and everything else can get all their communications/information through one bus. (I'm guessing the cameras use the bus to transmit their signal, this may be a bit too much. However Tesla has stated the speakers do) The liftgate on my Toyota 4Runner has 15 wires going into it. After 23 years of opening and closing the liftgate the insulation on the wires wore off and I was getting shorts. Sitting at a stoplight one day smoke started coming out from under the dash. I downloaded the 35 page wiring diagram from the web. Most of the wires in my liftgate came from the environmental control unit under the dash and a relay in it had melted. This unit has 13 connectors with 5-12 wires in each connector. This unit has fuses, relays, and a little circuit board. I never did figure out the wiring diagram to much detail. All this is eliminated in a Tesla. Assuming the communications bus in a Tesla is 4 very small wires for communications plus power and ground, you can accomplish the same functionality my Toyota has with 6 wires. And if you want to add more devices to the liftgate you don't have to run more wires. Simply tap into the bus, assign the new device an address, and you can now control it through the computer. And if you need a switch to control the device you simply change the software to add a button to the display or to your phone app - or both.
@loftsatsympaticodotc
@loftsatsympaticodotc 9 ай бұрын
James.. That was very well explained. Thank you.
@AWildBard
@AWildBard 9 ай бұрын
wow, excellent explanation super interesting
@yokaibyte2133
@yokaibyte2133 9 ай бұрын
I’m surprised Tesla didn’t use this 48v system on their Semi.
@AWildBard
@AWildBard 9 ай бұрын
@@yokaibyte2133 That is a really good point. It seems like it would be the best platform for 48 volt. I guess they were not quite ready to make it work at that time though. I suppose that it will happen over time, especially if other manufacturers start using 48 volt batteries.
@jamessorensen1769
@jamessorensen1769 9 ай бұрын
@@yokaibyte2133 Tesla has been using multiplexing in their cars for some time. The semi uses the same approach. The cybertruck just increases the speed of the bus and the voltage. They've paused full production of the semi and Tesla isn't afraid of changing things. I will bet when it goes into full production they will be using the new architecture.
@runswithdogs6892
@runswithdogs6892 9 ай бұрын
Appreciate these cybertruck videos. Straight info simply explained. Please look at the camera instead of all around it.
@biastv1234
@biastv1234 9 ай бұрын
CAN ( controlled Area Network) has been around for decades. There is still some way to go in reducing copper mass in vehicles.
@geoffreycollings4678
@geoffreycollings4678 9 ай бұрын
Be great if this pounds/feet and inches could be translated into metric and put up as graphics on screen so the rest of the world can relate to it
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 9 ай бұрын
It's not that difficult . 1kg = 2.205lb 25.4mm = 1 inch 305mm = 1 foot 1m= 39.5 inches . Quite easy to round up and guesstimate without tables. (Good for the brain!)
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 9 ай бұрын
and scientists too♾
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
use Google convert.
@nutbastard
@nutbastard 9 ай бұрын
I find it ironic that America is globally ridiculed for using imperial systems of measurement and yet Americans seem to be the best at thinking in both imperial and metric. It’s probably because we get a regular dose of mixed measurements. Lots of products are displayed in milliliters, millimeters, grams, but also inches, gallons, pounds etc. As someone else pointed out it doesn’t take a lot of effort, just memorize a half dozen basic conversion rates. 454 grams to a pound, 100kph is 62mph etc. The USA isnt abandoning imperial any time soon. You might want to invest in solving that on your end.
@FrancoisLabelle-yf8tj
@FrancoisLabelle-yf8tj 9 ай бұрын
48 v versus 12v, Monro should have explained more on why 48 is better... it's all about amps! As an example, you are getting the same amount of 'power' either way (120V x 60A = 240V x 30A) in your home, so from an electrical "power" standpoint it is a wash--either one will support the same amount of equipment...but 220 will need half the wire size, heat less, and overall more functional! That's why Europe is all running on 220v!! The high voltage's capability to carry more amps efficiently is what matters!
@Commontater2
@Commontater2 9 ай бұрын
The design is also going to be so much easier for kindergarteners to draw, that’s a perfectly horrific triangle on wheels Johnny. Good job.
@MrAlexandre3213
@MrAlexandre3213 9 ай бұрын
Mr Munro deserves millions of followers ...
@DesignVisStudios
@DesignVisStudios 8 ай бұрын
Those water flow type casing patterns are probably made with simulations and a process called evolutionary design.
@MgMreast
@MgMreast 9 ай бұрын
The EXTENDED range should be as a trolley not to take space in the back. this trolley could be flexible since you can charge it separately and prepare to tow whenever needed. and when not needed the cybertruck is lighter which takes less energy. this trolley could serve as a home battery etc.
@grantmcinnes1176
@grantmcinnes1176 9 ай бұрын
If Austinite work hardens, and work hardens through pressing, what happens when it's on the road getting bounced around for years?
@heyitstim3618
@heyitstim3618 9 ай бұрын
i hear NOTHING that actually benefits customers. 48v is not a selling point.
@hankkingsley9183
@hankkingsley9183 4 ай бұрын
Watch again. Many benefits, primarily less weight = better range. And you can't have steer by wire without 48v system... directly benefits driver due to it being easier to steer
@raymondwilson293
@raymondwilson293 9 ай бұрын
great video! thanku Sandy!
@tedbaxter5234
@tedbaxter5234 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the talk!
@pianobender
@pianobender 9 ай бұрын
You mentioned 78% reduction in weight, but that's just the wiring weight right? What percent of the car's total weight are the wires? Is it negligible?
@Jessev741
@Jessev741 9 ай бұрын
No, copper is expensive.
@fredderf6491
@fredderf6491 9 ай бұрын
So is hand crafted specially designed patent pending stainless steel (allegedly)
@Jessev741
@Jessev741 9 ай бұрын
@@fredderf6491 so? It's structural and reduces the amount of aluminum and steel needed elsewhere.
@frankjones5283
@frankjones5283 9 ай бұрын
I remember machining a variety of stainless from a Stainless steel manufacturer. The variety and machinability differences was news to me. From soft like cold rolled steel to stuff that would wear down carbide tooling in a few small passes. What a difference between grades. You better know the difference before quoting a job ...lol.
@USGrant21st
@USGrant21st 9 ай бұрын
There are 57 common types of stainless steel, some magnetic, some not.
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 9 ай бұрын
man, when i watch these tesla videos, i'm just reminded of the boomers who for decades completely over-engineered everything I deal with at work for 40 hours a week hahaha
@Tazman55x
@Tazman55x 9 ай бұрын
I’m most excited for the industry to follow 48v.
@635574
@635574 9 ай бұрын
Aptera would if it was commoditizes already. As their ceo said in a tailosive ev video
@FriedChairs
@FriedChairs 9 ай бұрын
Why? Not why is 48v good but why do you care if other automakers do it?
@raymondsiu
@raymondsiu 9 ай бұрын
@@FriedChairs lighter and cheaper vehicle no matter is EV or ICEV.
@JorgTheElder
@JorgTheElder 9 ай бұрын
@@FriedChairsuntil other automakers move to 48v, commodity parts will not move to 48v. Until that happens, all the 48v parts will be more expensive.
@tangoESPECIAL
@tangoESPECIAL 9 ай бұрын
48V is all nice but that doesn’t negate the fact that the Cybertruck spare tire will take up more than 1/3 of the bed and the range extender another 1/3. Meanwhile Rivian figured out how to pack in 149 kWh of battery under the truck and the spare tire under the bed …
@bofty
@bofty 9 ай бұрын
All that weight saving in the wiring really helped it getting up a dusty hill when it weighs nearly 4 tonnes lol
@CosmicSeeker69
@CosmicSeeker69 9 ай бұрын
yeah,, good ol' percentages against lbs/ounces ;)
@patrickhenigin4805
@patrickhenigin4805 6 ай бұрын
About the same as my 2010 f250 4x4. The tesla has a lot more towing capacity and power.
@randomsonmymind6919
@randomsonmymind6919 9 ай бұрын
Thank you sandy and your editing staff for all of the Cybertruck videos! Also please interview Jason from Hagerty who was extremely impressed with the Cybertruck engineering.
@lemongavine
@lemongavine 9 ай бұрын
Jason has an engineering degree. He and Sandy would be great together.
@alanmay7929
@alanmay7929 9 ай бұрын
Lol....... Impressed by the 0-60 totally useless in picking up truck sector because even a 90hp super old Toyota Hilux is more capable than that crap.
@grmunson7503
@grmunson7503 9 ай бұрын
Sandy is back in his element-explaining engineering concepts to the “layman.” Thanks for another class at Munro U.
@jonathanwright7991
@jonathanwright7991 9 ай бұрын
​@@alanmay7929Care to elaborate?
@ericluebbers4415
@ericluebbers4415 9 ай бұрын
@@lemongavineI’m not sure he earned a degree, heard him say 3 1/2 years into mechanical engineering degree, but close enough
@jerrychenwu
@jerrychenwu 9 ай бұрын
70% weight reduction of wire harnesses, not 70% weight reduction overall, I think the statement should be more precise.
@kennyg1358
@kennyg1358 9 ай бұрын
For simpletons?
@richardallen6785
@richardallen6785 9 ай бұрын
Using a weight reduction for such a vehicle is a contradiction in terms. Just focus on the other benefits of the 48V system. As for the tech its nothing new. @@kennyg1358
@n2l2l
@n2l2l 9 ай бұрын
Another great piece of your knowledge spreading. Because teachers like you, I am where I am now in my life. Thank you for your passion and knowledge Sandy. Greetings from Poland.
@pierrembadenhorstt
@pierrembadenhorstt 9 ай бұрын
great comment ❤
@USGrant21st
@USGrant21st 9 ай бұрын
He is the most entertaining Tesla fanboy for sure.
@MooseOnEarth
@MooseOnEarth 9 ай бұрын
A true engineering analysis would need an actual Cybertruck to take apart and really to analyze. At this point in time, you are only making claims based on marketing material from Tesla. What is really to consider: What parts (ECUs, sensors, actors, power electronics) are actually really running on 48VDC? What is still on 12VDC? How many additional DCDC converters are in the ECUs, sensors, actors to get the voltage down? What parts (ECUs) are communicating over Ethernet? What types of Ethernet, what types of transfer media (twisted pair copper, fiber?) What other standards, such as LIN-bus are used and where? Which *parts* of the network have an 70% weight reduction? What is the price you have to pay in the sensors, ECUs, actors? What is the effect on availability of parts and supply base? What is the contribution (in weight and cost) of the decision to go from 400V to 800V in the high-voltage wiring? What is the effect of this decision in the motors, heat pump compressor, AC charger and charging network? Now, Tesla has to upgrade large parts of its up to 450V based supercharger network to up to 1000 VDC. This talk is not engineering analysis, this is reading tea leaves. BTW: There is no "Ethernet ring". Ethernet is the name for many substandards in IEEE 802.3, followed by lowercase letters. Please name, which substandard and what transfer media Tesla really uses. There are bus topologies (early Ethernet, long gone) and star topologies (more recent ones), depending on the actual Ethernet substandard. There is never a ring such as with Token Ring 802.5 (a failed ring topology from decades ago) or MOST bus with a ring topology (automotive industry standard a while ago, often with optical links, was used for some subsystems, but inferior to Ethernet over twisted pair wires). In case, Ethernet components are wired in a ring fashion with point to point links, then a Spanning Tree Protocol (IEEE 802.1d, 802.1w, 802.1s, 802.1q) must run periodically to create a spanning tree. The wire that you show demonstrates two different AWG ratings. But the thicker wire is not "12V" and the thinner one is not "48V". Both of these voltages can run over both of these wires (given enough insulation for 48V). They are only equivalent if the *power* requirement is the same and if the wire material is the same. You may be a Tesla shareholder and you may be some sort of an influencer and an emotional person. But this video lacked almost every aspect of engineering, such as naming the standards that are used. It may distract people from the inferior level in energy density of the battery pack and the need for the "range extender" pack to get something close to the range Tesla promised before but that adds even more weight and uses a large portion of the bed. And distract from the high price tag. If everything on the truck was so cheap and light, why is it so expensive and heavy?
@CleanPowerAuto
@CleanPowerAuto 9 ай бұрын
If people were confused by 48v vs 12v then seeing those 2 pieces of wire for 3 seconds definitely cleared everything up 😂😂😂
@tomasdvorak7307
@tomasdvorak7307 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was a nice piece of BS. Add to that the wonderful weight saving on the cables, that's quite something in the 3+ ton truck. 😅
@ryandoeslife7227
@ryandoeslife7227 9 ай бұрын
lol yeah especially with the 600 or so pounds of useless stainless thickness @@tomasdvorak7307
@arthurmoore9488
@arthurmoore9488 8 ай бұрын
@@tomasdvorak7307 Uhh, have you watched any of his other videos? Sandy's entire philosophy is that grams add up, and that the more pieces there are the more expensive everything is.
@chrisbrachot2637
@chrisbrachot2637 9 ай бұрын
Going from 12v to 48v and from CAN-Bus to ethernet probably explains why the car is so light and inexpensive. I should also say; knowing my martinsitic stainless steel clad car will stop the majority of bullets that are fired at me on my weekday commute will give me much overdue respite. I greatly look forward to saving the planet with this absolute marvel of technology. It's amazing.... you just get in and drive from where you are to somewhere else e.g. home to work and of course visa versa.... what an age of wonder we live in. Wow.... no really WWwwoooowww. I didn't think it was possible for life to get any better but here we are.
@darnellk79
@darnellk79 9 ай бұрын
I wonder how many people won't catch the sarcasm in your comment. Nicely done 👍
@pauld3327
@pauld3327 9 ай бұрын
😂
@drury2d8
@drury2d8 9 ай бұрын
😆
@gogec1
@gogec1 9 ай бұрын
Woow , I just admire on the insight you have provided although I like my 1980 Lincoln which I use to drive from Point A to B, it is hot and cold sometimes and it's not so comfartable but it does the trick. Advancements in tehnology are so boring and irrelevant and that steer by wire Like we need it for something really.. Like all the New tehnology is worhless..
@MrZXY15
@MrZXY15 9 ай бұрын
Is that you Grok?
@Charles-in5xg
@Charles-in5xg 9 ай бұрын
why the hell wasn't this type of discussion done during the Elon meet part deux? this would have been right up his alley and a more enjoyable discussion.
@dmacpher
@dmacpher 9 ай бұрын
Never thought I’d see the return of ring networks - but here we are 😂
@chriswright9096
@chriswright9096 9 ай бұрын
Still common in automation
@wojtekpawlowski4951
@wojtekpawlowski4951 9 ай бұрын
Incredible! Tesla achieved weight reduction down to only 3 tonnes! And left all other guys in dust. Now they will have to figure it out, too. How could they reduce weight from their...what?...2 tonnes?
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
FIRST get rid of Outdated ladder frame , Body on Frame and GO Gigacast UNIBODY.
@tesla_tap
@tesla_tap 9 ай бұрын
Compaire with the much slower and more expensive Hummmer EV at 4.5 tons, it is quite an accomplishment! I guess you could make a paper-mache exterior truck and loose another 500-1000 lbs, but I likely not much of a market for it. Perfect for parades!
@gileneusz
@gileneusz 9 ай бұрын
1:47 guys, please start using common and understandable for everyone metric system!
@vinumcopia9850
@vinumcopia9850 9 ай бұрын
I've heard a lot of talk on various channels praising the 48v architecture, but no one mentioned anything about the secondary 48v battery. My question is whether Tesla has done away with the secondary battery by running an inverter off of the primary battery? Or did they actually make a 48v secondary battery?
@andrewashmore8000
@andrewashmore8000 9 ай бұрын
Was wondering the same myself.
@eruma
@eruma 9 ай бұрын
There is quite a bit unknown about their 48V system.
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew 9 ай бұрын
Safety suggests that the high voltage battery needs to be able to be completely isolated to render it inert when the vehicle is not in operation. That is usually done with contactor relay(s) inside the battery case. An external source of auxiliary power is needed to close the contactor(s). The auxiliary source could be an ultra capacitor or a battery. We’ll have to wait and see…
@davidrink1291
@davidrink1291 9 ай бұрын
You can buy a 48 volt lithium ion battery off the shelf for $400 and it only weighs 38 pounds.
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado 9 ай бұрын
@@eruma It's now known to all the other major manufacturers as well as Tesla ... because Tesla sent them a full copy of their 48v specification in a fat document! I presume that Tesla recognises that for 48v to succeed it would benefit enormously from other manufacturers joining the party.
@FloStudios
@FloStudios 9 ай бұрын
So this martensitic steel is stronger? Is the lack of magnetism just a byproduct of the process that can help you identify it? Are there any other benefits to it being martensitic?
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
Corrosion & RUST resistant .
@badATchaos
@badATchaos 9 ай бұрын
Another exciting thing about steer-by-wire that I haven't really heard anyone talk about yet is the possible befits it could have with handicapped and limited mobility drivers/customers. You could change the sensitivity so the user doesn't have to move their arm/limb as much to maneuver the vehicle. You could also theoretically tap into the electronics with an aftermarket steering device that could enable steering from a different source other than the steering wheel. This would be particularly beneficial for armless individuals.
@IanKaleta
@IanKaleta 9 ай бұрын
Totally great idea.
@tribalypredisposed
@tribalypredisposed 9 ай бұрын
Musk owns Neurolink, so I assume when that comes out it would allow a quadriplegic to drive a Cybertruck. But when Tesla reaches autonomous driving level five it will also mean that a person doesn’t have to drive the car at all. That will allow blind people, quadriplegics, people with motor control challenges and so on to get or summon a Tesla and go anywhere they want.
@grahammonk8013
@grahammonk8013 9 ай бұрын
@@tribalypredisposed That would be what I call "Jonny Cab" level of FSD.
@surferdude4487
@surferdude4487 9 ай бұрын
@@grahammonk8013 Except that we wouldn't need an obnoxious manikin taking up room in the driver's seat. Being blind, I'm looking forward to level 5 FSD.
@Quickicecarreviews123
@Quickicecarreviews123 9 ай бұрын
Wow great idea!
@longboardfella5306
@longboardfella5306 9 ай бұрын
Excellent - a couple of mysteries for me. How does the 48V architecture help with the bidirectional charging and also the high speed 800V charging - aren't those things completely separate electrical systems? Also it's fair to mention that 48V means you need an aftermarket of accessories and add-ons (including jump starters) all designed for that. I'm sure it's the future - but just saying...it's currently a tiny field of parts suppliers designed for that isn't it?
@coreyverisario6570
@coreyverisario6570 9 ай бұрын
Glad to hear Sandy not coughing and all that from the start of all these videos. Not that I would stop watching but I'm sure it wasn't fun for him to deal with. As always, your videos and comments are priceless. Nice job Sandy and Munro team!
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 9 ай бұрын
I take an occasional teaspoon of Thyme to help with a nagging cough
@davesvoboda2785
@davesvoboda2785 9 ай бұрын
​@@dewiz9596Thyme will tell.
@Bradimus1
@Bradimus1 9 ай бұрын
I don't know the deal, but some medications cause that.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Sandy spent most of his life around Detroit. DTE Energy's carbon-burning power station scheduled close in 2035: its egregious, lung-destroying output spreads west toxifying air for humans and animals in Ontario - another 12 years of this toxic ****
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 9 ай бұрын
@@Bradimus1 So does 74 years of breathing polluted air.
@phoarey
@phoarey 9 ай бұрын
I really like the engineering and science. I dislike any and all of these oversized Yank tank trucks that are imported appearing up all over Australia. Small dik cars some people call them.
@jonathanruiz8723
@jonathanruiz8723 9 ай бұрын
Interested to know more about the new wiring harness. I’m skeptical about the “weight savings” not actually just being “manufacturing cost savings”. Especially seeing as how weight is clearly not very important with those thick steel panels glued on to the body
@UmbraWeiss
@UmbraWeiss 9 ай бұрын
48v is good, they can do more like this, and simplify a lot of things, the problem is , they will engineer everything in a way, if something goes out, you will need to change the entire controller.... and make it impossible to do it easy, and will cost as much as a car. This is the problem with 48v... they can integrate everything in one controller, and localize communication for everything , if they do it the right way so it can be repaired , and things that go out can be changed without changing the entire controller, it will be a good thing, but everyone knows what will they do, you will need to change entire controllers for simple things, so the only thing this will resolve is like you said manufacturing cost savings, and after everything else will be at sky high prices to repair because you will need to change entire controllers and pay a ton of money for them to program it on your car, because the only ones who can do it is the dealers because you can only do it online and with their permission... so it will be a nightmare probably:) There is a reason i will stop repairing cars after some years in the future, because i don't see a future where i want to waste my time on these new cars.
@jonathanruiz8723
@jonathanruiz8723 9 ай бұрын
@@UmbraWeiss This is my hunch . I’ve never worked in automotive but I do know that this “ether loop” stuff is nothing new . If manufacturers are opting to NOT go with the cheaper implementation. Must be good reason for it. Just from a physics perspective it seems like a nightmare . Very curious to see how these harnesses hold up (my guess is not very good).
@arthurmoore9488
@arthurmoore9488 8 ай бұрын
@@jonathanruiz8723 Anyone who's dealt with large companies knows that half the reason is corporate inertia. I mean half the reason the vehicle "chip shortage" lasted as long as it did was because companies refused to pay to have chips made using processes newer than a decade certified. No one is creating new machines or spinning up new lines for obsolete technology!
@jonathanruiz8723
@jonathanruiz8723 8 ай бұрын
@@arthurmoore9488 I avoid dealing with suits as much as i can so I’m not sure what you are trying to say . Forgive me if I’m wrong but to me this reads like corpo speak for “yes ,the choice was made to save on manufacturing costs, likely at the detriment of the product”.
@robertheffernan6796
@robertheffernan6796 9 ай бұрын
Sandy A typical 300 series austenitic stainless steel is typically 18% Cr & 8% Ni with some slight chemistry changes for different properties. I’ve never heard of a martensitic austenitic stainless?
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 9 ай бұрын
The patent application is illuminating.
@zachlafond2652
@zachlafond2652 9 ай бұрын
Elon is importing it from his base on mars. The klingons that mine it are up in arms trying to form a union and tesla might move production to saturn.
@MarcoNierop
@MarcoNierop 9 ай бұрын
I noted that too these curved ridges on the castings, I first thought it were wire looms for the camera's or whatever.. Tesla must have done thousands of computer simulations to get that just right! Its another jump ahead of everybody else! Structural efficiency is also a thing legacy Auto does not pay much attention to. You lost me about the material properties like austenitic and martensitic, I have really no idea what this all means... I must have learned about it when I was a bachelor student in aeronautics, but that is 40 years ago LOL! But I think I understand it right Tesla takes a standard stainless steel that is easy formable, and by deforming it it becomes hard and rigid. I think the wire demonstration was not that clear, but I think you have a better opportunity to show the difference during the teardown (set the F150 lightning wires beside the Cybertruck wires.. That would be fun tyo see!) I Can't wait for the tear down! This all is so fascinating! thanks for sharing!
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
TESLA used SpaceX Engineers to Design Cybertruck.
@mefobills279
@mefobills279 9 ай бұрын
Stainless steel sheet arrives on a big roll. It is uncoiled slightly and leading edge of the sheet is fed into some rollers. Opposing rollers press down on the sheet simultaneously thinning it and feeding said sheet to next step. Similar process to drawing down aluminum foil. 304 has a low stable microstructure so when undergoing roll forming martensites are created (strain induced). Pretty smart and relatively economical process.
@jeffpatrick787
@jeffpatrick787 9 ай бұрын
They use CAD generative design software. It uses AI to generate multi generational variants of a design given a set of constraints. It basically mimics the way nature evolves.
@oBCHANo
@oBCHANo 9 ай бұрын
Tesla used industry standard software to try and reinvent the wheel, that is all they did and they ended up with a worse product, just like their self driving, their fake solar roof tiles, the fake hyperloop, etc.
@michalfranczyk1241
@michalfranczyk1241 9 ай бұрын
4 :30 speed of electricity goes up...? New physics. By the way it surely is awesome to go to 48V, but if we are talking weight saving of 70+ % to what weight it really translate? Thats the major question.
@voborny
@voborny 9 ай бұрын
This was a really good video. Before watching this video I had no clue what austenitic vs. martensitic steel was. Now I understand that a bit more. Thank you for your analysis!
@starseeddeluxe
@starseeddeluxe 9 ай бұрын
I have to say, people don't seem to realize just how much better stainless steel is compared to regular steel. Stainless steel has chromium in it, and nickel. Stainless steel is constantly using the chromium to block oxygen from reaching the iron, so it cannot rust, and thus lasts forever. Normal rain and road salt conditions aren't nearly strong enough to have any effect whatsoever on stainless, provided that the vehicle is kept clean. Contrast that with regular steel. If you expose a steel car body to the humidity in the air, it begins to rust within 24 hours, and in a few weeks will have a very visible rust coating. Bare steel rusts so fast, it literally begins to rust overnight while you're sleeping. Now imagine having a stainless steel car that lasts 500 years, instead of 20 years... This is a HUGE deal, because it's the first time in our lives where they have allowed the public to have something that lasts forever and doesn't have "planned obsolescence." Only the Ford Model T and the Dolorean and some aluminum bodied vehicles, have been immune to corrosion. All other vehicles sold in the last 100 years have been engineered to rust and turn to dust as you drive them--quite literally. You can look at any 1980's Toyota or Datsun, and they aren't even safe to drive, because the steel frame and body is so rusted. The trucks from the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's aren't on the roads anymore--because they too have turned to dust. For a big company to make a vehicle that can never corrode and never dissolve over time, is one of the biggest things in automotive history. It's unprecedented. It's like being given a light bulb that literally lasts for your entire life. This is the first time a company has been willing to offer something that can last forever.
@danielsquillace5291
@danielsquillace5291 9 ай бұрын
​@starseeddeluxe Stainless steel will rust. Just not as quickly as other steel.
@laughingjackaso8163
@laughingjackaso8163 9 ай бұрын
really depends on the grade of s/s. some s/s products coming from a certain manufacturing giant in asia will quite happily rust if exposed to oxidising iron particles @@starseeddeluxe
@ronaldmasterbud1551
@ronaldmasterbud1551 9 ай бұрын
​​@@starseeddeluxe One Other Detail, Aluminum Oxidizes. ( Rust, Only Happens to Iron. ) 100 % Pure Aluminum is The The Slowest to Oxidize, """ BUT """ Has The Hardness & Strength of Peanut Butter That's Why It's Alloyed with other Metals Copper Being the Most Common, But There's About 10'ish Common one's used in Different %. " But " When Alloyed It corrodes much worse. that's why aluminum always has to be coated, or painted to prevent corrosion. Aluminum Oxidizdation is That White Chalky Powdery Substance. " AkA " The White Death. The Same Thing With Magnesium. P.S. But Besides That I Agree With You.
@n2fastcars635
@n2fastcars635 9 ай бұрын
Great it will last forever!! That should be the talking point correct? Same as the DeLorean right! Why is it so important that it be bullet proof? Or even need to be hardened? Seems like BS to me. Plus your already 20,000 over in cost from what you had stated the cost was going to be. Seems like added cost with really no added benefit to the normal user.
@colmbrowne2788
@colmbrowne2788 9 ай бұрын
My 2009 Renault Laguna GT 205 has steer by wire on the rear axle. Sensational to drive. The rear wheels steer opposite to the fronts up to 60kph and the same as the front over 60kph. The latter makes emergency lane changes at high spped safer as it reduces the rotational forces of sudden steering that occurs in 2 wheel steer cars, so the car is less likely to spin. And the former is super in roundabouts and multistorey car parks. Interesting the abs & stability control computer communicates with the rear wheel steer ECU. One time i hit ice on one side of the car going down a hill, so the car started to rotate into a slide. As a confident driver my brain said no problem lets steer into the skid, but before my grey matter sent the signal to my arms, the rear wheel steering was sent a signal by the stability control system (ESC) system to counter steer and the car straightened up by itself, and i could feel that the correction happened at the rear. It was very impressive. Well done Teslas on the 48v, 4 WS & Martensitic stainless steel.
@grahammonk8013
@grahammonk8013 9 ай бұрын
The CT behaves the same.
@andrewashmore8000
@andrewashmore8000 9 ай бұрын
Cool info.
@klauszinser
@klauszinser 9 ай бұрын
'My 2009 Renault Laguna GT 205 has steer by wire on the rear axle.' Thanks for the information. As it is still working and seems not to have had problems, these are good news.
@colmbrowne2788
@colmbrowne2788 9 ай бұрын
Here is the 4WS Laguna GT beating a 3.2 litre Porch Boxster S in the Elk/Moose test kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5K3n5dppN-Wl6csi=I8_budhpUS04Jp4w
@agn855
@agn855 9 ай бұрын
So it’s ancient technology instead of a brand new rocket science invention? Hear, hear.
@calholli
@calholli 9 ай бұрын
You shouldn't have used the word "rifle" -- because any rifle round will still shoot right through the Cyber truck.. It's only stopping 9mm or slightly more powerful rounds.
@eirik500
@eirik500 9 ай бұрын
What does a 12V wire harness weigh? 20 kg without contacts? So a 15 kg weight reduction on a 3000 kg car? All weigth reduction is good, so why not go 800V for the HV system?
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 9 ай бұрын
THANKS TO THE MUNRO TEAM,🤗 ABSOLUTELY 💯 WORTH WAITING FOR…AND SANDY’s CLEAR EXPLANATION IS 👍 TOP NOTCH 🤗💚💚💚
@tomasbeblar5639
@tomasbeblar5639 9 ай бұрын
Uh.. you talked about how it's non-magnetic but never explained WHY that's good....
@BranislavB-hx9zy
@BranislavB-hx9zy 9 ай бұрын
According to a German TUV safety certification expert, the Cybertruck will require “strong modifications to the basic structure” before it can be sold in the EU!
@larsjrgensen5975
@larsjrgensen5975 9 ай бұрын
Yes, mostly about pedestrian safety and regulations about sharp edges.
@TheWisestOne1
@TheWisestOne1 9 ай бұрын
Nanny state. Same in all of EU, unfortunately. Why do we let one group of adults tell another group of adults what to do, I find it sickening.
@larsjrgensen5975
@larsjrgensen5975 9 ай бұрын
@@TheWisestOne1 The rules are there to safe lives, because the people living there are either to stupid or to selfish to think about other peoples lives by choosing safe cars on their own. Where do you live if you do not like other people telling you what to do?
@amimartian
@amimartian 9 ай бұрын
48v and 800v in cars - not new; Steer-by-wire in cars - not new; SS outer panels in cars - now new; What did I forget?
@runningman5871
@runningman5871 9 ай бұрын
Tesla simulation software seems light years ahead of commercial codes. They have an in house 50bn software company just for simulation.
@dinofx35
@dinofx35 9 ай бұрын
Let’s watch a dinosaur talk about something he didn’t design. “The speed of the electricity has gone up”. Well said 😂
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 9 ай бұрын
Rear motors are claimed to be induction. Might explain the lower power peak vs Plaid. Indusction motors are supposed to freewheel more efficiently, so you get more range with the front PM motor on low power demand.
@concinnus
@concinnus 9 ай бұрын
The truck also has a relatively low max speed, suggesting it's geared lower (towing etc.).
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
YES, this is to Simulate the Physical cutch System the TESLA semi has. CT has Virtual Clutch using FWD pm motor , REAR ID motors.
@iandavies4853
@iandavies4853 9 ай бұрын
@@markplott4820leaves me wondering what the advantage for Semi of having permanent magnet motors & physical clutch. Extra motors on Semi are more for braking than power. It’s complexity & potential failure point.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
@@iandavies4853 - NOPE, its Specifically for Accelerating while hauling 82k Gross , taking onramps and UPHILL Grades like Donner Pass and GRAPEVINE . as per usual FWD motor is only for Marinating Highway speeds. NOPE , Tesla semi has ZERO Jake Brake , and Does not even use Friction Brakes Downhill. only uses REGEN. at end of Downhill run the TESLA Friction brakes were COLD. Friction Brakes were never applied to STOP 82k Gross .
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
@@iandavies4853 - its why TESLA semi is LOWEST Energy consumption in PRODUCTION Class 8 Truck. 1.7kwh/mile. with ability to go to 1.5kwh/mile just in Software.
@stevem3439
@stevem3439 9 ай бұрын
Excellent job, Sandy. No throat clearing once if I'm not mistaken. Exciting tech, thanks for highlighting 🎉
@dj_m
@dj_m 9 ай бұрын
11:29 ?
@paulzeski6251
@paulzeski6251 9 ай бұрын
This A-hole of a vehicle is ground zero to why auto insurance is unaffordable. It will kill you.
@Greenspaceservices
@Greenspaceservices 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Sandy! I live in BC , Canada. You give great analysis of the EV Revolution. It’s an exciting time.
@johnanthonycolley3803
@johnanthonycolley3803 9 ай бұрын
No matter how much technology you cram into this vehicle, it's still to look like an upturned Male urinal 😮
@robertobruselas3952
@robertobruselas3952 9 ай бұрын
Love the way you are putting things in perspective. Thank you for sharing the latest engineering EV wonders. The Cybertruck is making the difference. Greetings from Europe BE Sandy!
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew 9 ай бұрын
304 stainless is an austenitic steel 18.5% chromium, 8.2% nickel with excellent ductility and suitable for deep draw. Think of the steel used to make a kitchen sink. 304DDQ ups the nickel to 9% and has improved formability at a slight decrease in tensile strength from 650 to 630 MPa. Galling needs to be mitigated when drawing stainless and is accomplished with a high viscosity oil lube or applying PVC film during pressing. The nickel is what is responsible for making the stainless weakly magnetic. Sandy hinted at something interesting, suggesting that the stainless is being work hardened by drawing. It would be interesting to know more about what is going on, but that is probably the secret sauce which gives the material the desired hardness but retains sufficient ductility to be formed as required.
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 9 ай бұрын
It's formed with a gigantic multi-hundred ton press that's face is protected by injecting high pressure air between the tool and the sheet metal. The material arrives hardened and is formed in that state. Not sure why? Could just form annealed metal and heat it up. Maybe in a microwave for kicks.
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew 9 ай бұрын
@@TheJustinJ Thank you for supplying the correct information, much appreciated. It is interesting to see high pressure air being used as the protective fluid.
@dpr5105
@dpr5105 9 ай бұрын
You mention that the "rear castings are made on a 9000 lb. press". I though castings werer "cast" while pressings were the product of presses. Not wanting to make this symantic issue, but am I missing something in a new fabrication technology?
@unitrader403
@unitrader403 9 ай бұрын
probably because the process has elements of both processes. It is essentially a casting (a fluid is filled into a mold to get the desited form), but this happens with very high pressure and speed, which would force the halves of the mold apart if the clamping force of 9000 Tonnes didnt hold/press it together (a bit less than ~20000000 lb if google isnt lying to me). The force might seem gigantic, but the force the plunger applies to the molten aluminium per surface area is applied over the entire surface of the mold outward (again, same force per surface area), so the bigger your casting the higher the clamping force you need to keep it together..
@ou812grn
@ou812grn 9 ай бұрын
Looks like they may be using generative design in their castings now, mimicking nature. Next level!
@4literv6
@4literv6 9 ай бұрын
Biomemetic is where it's at. Zinger, merc and others already use it for 3d printed automotive parts.
@shawnbrander1459
@shawnbrander1459 9 ай бұрын
It's funny this is cutting edge for the auto industry. They were dinosaurs I guess. These concepts of ethernet rings, getting rid of buttons and knobs for touch screens, higher voltages, etc. We've been doing at industrial manufacturing plants for the last 20 years. The only thing that's really cutting edge is the battery tech and taking these things mobile.
@geirmyrvagnes8718
@geirmyrvagnes8718 9 ай бұрын
Elon called most of this something like "doing the obvious thing and bringing car tech into this century". A conservative industry based on subcontracting is hard to turn around to actually new ideas.
@norduferhandel4512
@norduferhandel4512 9 ай бұрын
I saw this in the late 90's with a new assembly line. Every fixture had a electrical connection and a pneumatic connection then the "blue" cable ran from every fixture to the main PLC panel that controlled the entire assembly line. Eliminated thousands of feet of wiring and conduit. At the end we started into wireless troubleshooting.
@MarkXHolland
@MarkXHolland 9 ай бұрын
OEMs had a vested interest in keeping things static for 100 years. Follow the money.
@BrianBourgeois-
@BrianBourgeois- 9 ай бұрын
I like buttons they already had can bus which loop system.
@SW-qr8qe
@SW-qr8qe 9 ай бұрын
Also it weighs over 3 metric tonnes but its wiring loom is nice and light. FFS
@armandbarbe1812
@armandbarbe1812 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I learn something every time.
@nedwulin4646
@nedwulin4646 9 ай бұрын
Best Sandy Munroe video EVER! Sandy is an excellant teacher - I hope there are more videos like this that go a step beyond, addressing science/technology rarely discussed in EV and Cybertruck discussions and forums. Watched it twice, off to the Munroe Live Store...
@ZURAD
@ZURAD 9 ай бұрын
It makes sense you'd need less clamping tonnage if your mold flow was optimized to be low drag. Why add right angles when you do not have to and do not benefit from them
@TheBeingReal
@TheBeingReal 9 ай бұрын
Right / acute angles are tough to form in sheet metals. Which is why you normally see a decent radius at the bend. Die wear can be really visible too. It can be done, just expensive.
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 9 ай бұрын
Ethernet is NOT a ring. It is a Star Architecture. Token Ring was a ring. . .
@OsoMagna
@OsoMagna 9 ай бұрын
We know, and electricity doesn't travel faster at 48V, like he claimed. But he gets a pass, because otherwise he'd yell at us and tell us we're also "barking up the wrong tree." Sure, he's accomplished, but he sometimes sounds like that annoying Scotty Kilmer when he throws out such misstatements.
@Budspud-l2k
@Budspud-l2k 9 ай бұрын
Yep
@Bob.Jenkins
@Bob.Jenkins 2 ай бұрын
I was looking for a review of the Tesla Truck and was recommended this. *This isn't a 'review' - it's an endorsement.* Sadly, having owned two, I can tell you that the actual build quality, reliability and functionality of the Tesla 'Truck' (I place this term in quotes because it does NOTHING that a regular truck can do) are below average... far, far below average, in fact; Doors that won't close, Battery problems, Towing problems, Drive problems, Seat problems, Braking problems, Display problems - the list goes on and on. Both of my 'trucks' have spent 4x more time being repaired then I've driven them. Next time I do a review search - I'll look for someone who actually drives and uses this vehicle as a 'Truck' and not a piece of delicate art.
@larsjrgensen5975
@larsjrgensen5975 9 ай бұрын
The 48V has been used a couple of years now, mostly for hybrid systems and other high power users. It is new to convert everything to 48V, but something like 30 DC-DC converters are needed for things like cameras, dashboard, lighting, sensors and computers, those DC-DC converters are going to eat up some of the 48V benefit. Talking about weight benefits of 48V sounds weird when the panels of the truck is made from very inefficient thick and heavy steel, compared to any other car or truck. Just 0.5mm extra thickness of the body panels adds up to something like 70kg / 150 pounds, for countries where "bullet proofing" is not needed, that is a lot of dead weight to carry around.
@pedtrog6443
@pedtrog6443 9 ай бұрын
I guess they've got to keep the steel thick enough to suppress the drumming of the flat panels
@larsjrgensen5975
@larsjrgensen5975 9 ай бұрын
@@pedtrog6443 Did not think of that, but very much possible. They could have done it more elegantly but yes.
@MsAjax409
@MsAjax409 9 ай бұрын
A 48 to 12DC buck converter is simple and cheap. They will be only be used where Tesla uses a device is designed for 12V power. For example, POE cameras are powered at 48V. Tesla manufactures their own actuators using 48V or gets them from suppliers when high volumes justify their manufacture. Moving weight from wiring harnesses to body panels has the benefit of increasing dent and corrosion resistance while allowing for higher power transmission.
@larsjrgensen5975
@larsjrgensen5975 9 ай бұрын
@@MsAjax409 Why not keep the body panels industry standard and install 100kg extra battery instead? Panel thickness does not matter when talking surface corrosion resistance, only if you let the panel rust and look like crap for multiple years, does thickness make a difference. Also the non stainless parts like suspension arms (Tesla weakspot already) are going to rust away long before the body panels, so the car may end up being the shiniest car on the scrapyard.
@MsAjax409
@MsAjax409 9 ай бұрын
@@larsjrgensen5975 The SS panels have been reduced to 1.8 mm for the doors and 1.4 mm for other panels. They were made martensitic (harder) to retain dent resistance. Given that there's roughly 100 sqft of SS on Cybertruck with an average thickness of about 1.6 mm, reducing to 0.9 mm (@ 1.5 lbs/sf) would save about 116 lbs. That's the equivalent of a battery pack of less than 20 kWh. At 0.4 kWh/mile that's an extended range of 50 miles. I'd rather have the stronger panels since 318 miles of range covers all my needs. Those who tow a trailer can either add the range extender or buy an ICE truck.
@TimBorg
@TimBorg 9 ай бұрын
you don't actually know anything about what makes a good reliable car
@funnyautomation763
@funnyautomation763 9 ай бұрын
Important to highlight: using a network ring topology you also get redundancy in each individual node and therefore in all functions. In the old star configuration, the fail of virtually any cable creates an issue on that function
@StalePhish
@StalePhish 9 ай бұрын
Another great benefit of steer-by-wire is that its very minimal deaign difference betwee LHD and RHD markets. You could even have a driver's ed car with both retrogitted easily. Or just no steering wheel at all
@the_lost_navigator7266
@the_lost_navigator7266 9 ай бұрын
Yes, but it won't come to UK, and not planned for Australia, so it's unlikely we will see a rhd version.
@vipahman
@vipahman 9 ай бұрын
5:38 F-Whatever sounds like Musk at a X ad revenue meeting!
@wombatillo
@wombatillo 9 ай бұрын
What steel is cybertruck's skin made out of exactly? How hard would it be for someone to get an XRF scanner and do an actual quantitative analysis on the alloy?
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 9 ай бұрын
Big secret so Elon can claim it's the cheapest bestest and they developed it all by themselves. May well be off the shelf from their supplier who will play ball as long as Tesla keep a rare promise to them, for volume purchases.
@AuralioCabal
@AuralioCabal 9 ай бұрын
Ask the Space X ( Elons other company) engineers, they are responsible for the Starships 30X hardened SSteel skin.
@MarkXHolland
@MarkXHolland 9 ай бұрын
​@@CloxxkiSpaceX employ some of the world's best metallurgists. Thhhp! 😝
@ralanham76
@ralanham76 9 ай бұрын
​@@Cloxxkiit's posted in other videos, so it's not a secret
@drury2d8
@drury2d8 9 ай бұрын
This is some cold worked austenitic steel to give it strain-hardened properties. There are thousands of SS alloys. I dont think they are making their own alloy.
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale 9 ай бұрын
I've not often heard Sandy talking "Appeal to authority" or "Argument from authority". What gives? Somehow seems _different_ . Is work-hardening the same as mar-tempering? ..and what is "sublimation" temperature? Any metallurgists lurking here in the comments-section? BTW - isn't an Alu-SS combination a recipe for electrochemical corrosion? Elon Musk famously said "don't solve a problem that ought not to exist". What problem is solved? Ought it exist?
@michaelplotkin7383
@michaelplotkin7383 9 ай бұрын
Another great job. Thanks.
@agn855
@agn855 9 ай бұрын
Driver: _"Would you mind to get me out of this car. I'm injured, and it really hurts."_ Fireman: _"Dont worry. We're getting a plasma cutter soon. Meanwhile you can celebrate your shiny bullet-proof martensidic stainless steel chassis! Oh, BTw, it looks that your seat starts burning…"_ John _"So, you’re having a therapy?" Bob: _"Well, I’m still completely paranoid but now I own a Cybertruck. It’s bulletproof."_ Elon: _"OK, let’s shoot the Cybertruck into the Mars orbit!!"_ Engineer: _"Erm, we have no rocket engines that can carry this heavy load."_
@brianluessen6498
@brianluessen6498 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the videos and your insight.
@markstephens7236
@markstephens7236 9 ай бұрын
"BEST MATERIAL SCIENTISTS ON THE PLANET!" Americans are so cute, aren't they? And they have finally realized that higher voltages are superior while still using 120V house systems.
@kfk256
@kfk256 9 ай бұрын
You have to say it, Sandy! "Holy Mackerel!". 🤣🤣 Great meeting you in Austin.
@tlthomas77
@tlthomas77 9 ай бұрын
Teslas have 12v and 48v batteries. Not just 48v. Also, ethernet is not a ring technology. It’s CSMA/CD. Perhaps you’re thinking of token ring which is logically a ring. Tesla used to use CAN bus before switching to ethernet.
@cmosarch5285
@cmosarch5285 9 ай бұрын
Where's the engineering analysis? This sounds like a promotional video paid for by Tesla?
@grahammewburn
@grahammewburn 6 ай бұрын
Sandy Munro is an engineer.
@cmosarch5285
@cmosarch5285 6 ай бұрын
@@grahammewburn Indeed. But this video is a puff PR piece.
@grahammewburn
@grahammewburn 6 ай бұрын
@cmosarch5285 In the early days of Elon and Dusty Munro, Dusty criticised design flaws in Tesla cars. Tesla listened and made improvements. Yes, Dusty is a Tesla and Elon fan. So am I. Fault-finders find faults. Keep up your excellent put downs. Cheers Gray Australia
@cmosarch5285
@cmosarch5285 6 ай бұрын
@@grahammewburn Being a fan is one thing. Posting a video with the title “engineering analysis” that’s a paid ad from Tesla with no engineering analysis is another thing altogether. If you’re an investor - my condolences.
@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc
@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc 4 ай бұрын
Yep. Munro became a fan boy couple years ago.
@jasonpocaro2730
@jasonpocaro2730 9 ай бұрын
Twisted Pair CAN network is dangerous and not safe. Once you have ANY component(s) starting to fail, it causes major electrical problems. This makes the vehicle erratic and unreliable. Individual wiring is STILL the best way to go.
@mitchskinner174
@mitchskinner174 9 ай бұрын
I would have thought FEA rather than CFD if we're talking about the dynamics of the finished part. Though maybe CFD comes into play for the casting process itself.
@eruma
@eruma 9 ай бұрын
FEA is for structural analysis, simplified said to simulate the flow of force - CFD is fluid-design, as the name intends, on mould-flow-analysis you try to figue out the best paths to ensure a homogenious temperature distribution to avoid any big temp-differences in the mould, which might cause warping, stopping of the flow or other negative effects.
@Rainier_Azucena
@Rainier_Azucena 9 ай бұрын
Using a standard of 48V for all the electronics is an overkill. Control electronics (digital or analog), in particular, have no need to go above 12V. Making the control electronics 48V is like providing a 48V power line from the ATX power supply, when the PC just don't need it.
@maxivy
@maxivy 9 ай бұрын
Elon did a great job interviewing you (please let him speak more next time)
@petermclennan6781
@petermclennan6781 9 ай бұрын
Speaking as someone with decades of through the viewfinder experience, IMO Sandy should leave the on-camera performance duties to his far more capable junior engineers. Conflating non-stick frying pans with non-stick magnetism just cost Mr. Munro the remainder of what limited credibility he had before this video. Self-hardening Martensitic steel has been used in bulldozer blades forever. Like Twitter/X, the Cybertruck will be a colossal fail. They might be able to repurpose the chassis into something more acceptable to other than hunters and fourteen year old boys. Rear wheel steering will undoubtedly improve the frequently-seen parking lot indiscretions caused by incompetent long wheelbase pickup truck drivers.
@philippecasteleyn9327
@philippecasteleyn9327 9 ай бұрын
I exceptionally give you a like because I like the two wires comparison.
@4literv6
@4literv6 9 ай бұрын
Made me think of twizzlers candy. 😀👍🏻
@philippecasteleyn9327
@philippecasteleyn9327 9 ай бұрын
Which we called "nunnebillen". @@4literv6
@MrSanbonsakura
@MrSanbonsakura 9 ай бұрын
2019 Price 39900 ! 2023 Sorry add 30000$+. 2019 Range 500+ miles, 2023 Sorry only 340 miles. You want more ? add another 20 000$. And so on .... Overpromised and underdelivered.
@KINGH4L0
@KINGH4L0 9 ай бұрын
Love how an extremely knowledgeable person can share his expertise on his own platform, so to speak.
@conrad42
@conrad42 9 ай бұрын
As this video is an analysis, maybe looking on the downsides would be also interesting to talk about: Switching to 48V will also have problems, like that the standard for normal cars is 12V so you have to manufacture the components yourself or wait until the supply chain adapts. It would be nice if standards would be thing again (sustainability)... The weight reduction compared to the 3000kg is not dramatic, but I agree, less resources is better. Also this car will not be street legal in Europe/Germany, because it contradicts the safety regulations (sharp edges, rigid body). To make a car out of thick steel to make it bullet proof, thus increasing the weight and reducing the range (efficiency) is something I can't get my head around. I get that there are industries who could benefit from this, but its not a benefit for normal cars. I also understand that this is mostly done for marketing reasons. Can someone explain why the stainless steel needs to be non-magnetic? He never mentions the benefit of it.
@toddreinke5267
@toddreinke5267 9 ай бұрын
Sandy, these videos you are doing about the Cybertruck are really good, mate!
@r2db
@r2db 9 ай бұрын
It is extremely frustrating how people continue to push the hype. There is absolutely nothing magical or revolutionary about going from CAN to Ethernet. Yes, Ethernet can transmit data at higher speeds, but 4:34 "The speed of the electricity moving" does not change. 48 VDC travels as fast through wires as 12VDC. Yes, going from CAN to Ethernet can be more secure. However, it is highly likely that any added security is going to do only one thing: frustrate right to repair advocates. Tesla is already infamous for doing this, and we have absolutely zero evidence that they have changed their course. Work-hardened, "bulletproof" stainless steel is not what anyone with even a basic understanding of automotive engineering would want to use. For decades, vehicles have been designed to absorb impacts before transmitting those forces to the occupants. I spent the beginning of my career working on ambulances where many of the vehicles on the road were built without crumple zones. I can still, decades later, remember coming to a scene and pronouncing the vehicle occupants dead where the vehicle didn't appear to sustain very much damage. On one hand, I wish I could say that it is merely a case of "buyer beware" as it is far more likely in a severe impact to kill the vehicle occupants than a vehicle that has already intentionally self-destructed to absorb the impact force before it reached the passenger compartment. However, the design of the vehicle also very much poses a hazard to others such as pedestrians, bicyclists, and motorcyclists. Many legitimate safety experts have raised serious concerns that, unless Tesla can obtain waivers from numerous safety regulations, this monstrosity will not be able to be sold for many international markets. Getting back to repairability, there is no reasonable way in the field to weld to work-hardened metal without tempering it within portions of the repair. If the work-hardened state is being used as a key structural element, which would be highly likely with any modern automotive design, then such field repair could compromise the structural integrity of the vehicle even if the cosmetic appearance of the work seems flawless. Also, welding stainless steel properly is very different than using the more routine welding methods (SMAW/ GMAW) routinely used for structural automotive repairs. Yes, there are stainless electrodes for those processes. Yes, there are gas mixes that will work for GMAW. No, I have never encountered a mechanic or auto body shop who had both the proper consumables and reasonable experience welding stainless, and yes stainless steel vehicles have existed since the 1980s. This is, and will be for the reasonably-foreseeable future, a niche welding job farmed out to shops that specialize in the more unique alloys. Having used such specialty welding shops in the past, there is a premium associated with "specialty" welding work. Whether any post-factory welding repair is going to be, from the engineering standpoint, sufficiently comparable to an intact factory panel to be able to return the vehicle to the road is a much bigger question. If Tesla is even going to be willing to discuss this topic with a third-party repair shop, their track record would not make that seem to be a reasonable expectation. The whole advantage of having the old "tank" style frame and chassis vehicles was that they were repairable by a home garage mechanic with a buzz box and a hammer. This seems more of a case of all of the disadvantages of ancient automotive design compounded with all of the disadvantages of modern automotive design to make a $100k disposable vehicle.
@shinjincai
@shinjincai 9 ай бұрын
Great video Sandy! I will be mind-blowing to see Tesla AI optimized designs one day (if they haven't started this already). I wonder if the cars will look almost natural at perfect optimization.
@CorkyMcButterpants
@CorkyMcButterpants 9 ай бұрын
Tesla AI is dogshit. What are you talking about?
@ZrOuT85
@ZrOuT85 9 ай бұрын
why don't you say HOW much weight is saved by the 48V harness? that matters to me a lot more... I suspect it adds up to not a whole lot, the immediate complexity also goes through the roof, CAN bus is ancient tech now and well understood, mechanics won't have tools to troubleshoot these things, most don't even know what ethernet or protocols are, DIYers will be SOL, insurance repairs will be insane especially due to the stainless steel being involved etc... I get it, someone has to be a pioneer for the industry to progress, but let's be honest, the owners of the first few generations of these new systems will be paying for the industry to catch up. I don't want to be a beta tester for a company, they don't pay me for that and I feel like Tesla since day 1 treats their customers as such, sadly that is how modern tech works with phones or computer games but that is only because customers accept that, I refuse to accept incomplete products with self driving coming next year... or for the last 9 years...
@86OEd
@86OEd 9 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see my first one up close and personal...We love Tesla, just purchased our second one recently!
@Steven_Edwards
@Steven_Edwards 9 ай бұрын
What he doesn't tell you is that with a full 48v system, it will close out third party independent repair of anything electrical. Any replacement part will require computer reprogramming.
@sentry8535
@sentry8535 9 ай бұрын
So, what is wrong with Tesla having all of their customers totally dependent on them ?
@MsAjax409
@MsAjax409 9 ай бұрын
Reprogramming? Why do you say that?
@MB-kk8px
@MB-kk8px 9 ай бұрын
I would think another benefit to steer by wire is that the vehicle is easier to produce for different countries like England and the US. Makes it easier to reconfigure the vehicle for right or left hand drive as it’s just a wire that has to move to one side or other of the dash.
@geirmyrvagnes8718
@geirmyrvagnes8718 9 ай бұрын
This vehicle IS Australia. Wind/solar powered outback Australia.
@spankeyfish
@spankeyfish 9 ай бұрын
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Pity they don't have an option for a solar roof like the Fiskers.
@Martian74
@Martian74 9 ай бұрын
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 If you have ever been in the outback of Australia, you would know that the Cybertruck is not the vehicle you would take out there. It is too heavy and hasn't got the range you need, 550km (for the Beast) isn't enough to get you there and back with spare range for safety. That 550km is in optimal conditions and once you are driving on gravel roads with bull dust (bull dust is fine like talcum powder), your range drops significantly. Plus, the bull dust gets everywhere and is bad for electronics because it coats everything and causes heat build-up and loosens contacts. People in the outback always carry extra fuel as 1000km in a day is pretty common, I am doing 2 x 900km+ days next week, there are no superchargers and I don't have extra days to waste on getting there and back. Maybe Cybertruck 2035 will do, but not yet.
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail
@ThumpertTheFascistCottontail 9 ай бұрын
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 has cybertruck passed the crash tests etc. required to be legally sold in Australia?
@Budspud-l2k
@Budspud-l2k 9 ай бұрын
Should be a good fit for our Aussie brothers.
@AndreaBarbieri
@AndreaBarbieri 4 ай бұрын
This is not an engineering analysis of the Tesla Cybertruck. How the hell KZbin show this as first resolut?
@ghostindamachine
@ghostindamachine 9 ай бұрын
I love this technical analysis!
@DannerBanks
@DannerBanks 9 ай бұрын
Love Sandy, but there is so much bad info at the beginning of this video. Sandy seems to think there are only two models. There are 3. He also seems to think that the range extender is available. It's not. The two wheel drive starts at around 60k. The range extender is rumored to be $16k. The two wheel drive models range is only 250 miles. The two wheel drive models 0 to 60 is 6.5 seconds. Be better team Munro
@AuralioCabal
@AuralioCabal 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Sandy for schooling us on Stainless Steel. The stainless Steel Tesla uses for the CYBERTRK is a product from the same program that is SpaceXs StarShip.
@keith8443
@keith8443 9 ай бұрын
Is that the space ship that keeps exploding 😅
@vipahman
@vipahman 9 ай бұрын
@@keith8443 Discouragement and failure are two of the surest stepping stones to success. -Dale Carnegie
@iamzid
@iamzid 9 ай бұрын
​@@keith8443 i sometimes wonder what kind of life people have to be living who go into the comments of videos about things that they don't even like just so that they can throw shade at others without having to worry about repercussions. go do something more productive with your life.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 9 ай бұрын
also TESLA "fcuking" Stainless Steel is Patented and doped to be Corrosion & Rust Resistant.
@GrahamRead101
@GrahamRead101 9 ай бұрын
@@keith8443clearly you haven’t understood the whole concept of prototyping and fail fast.
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