Anadromous Dialogue #9: Meeting Jonathan Pageau (Ukraine, Puppets, Texture, Nature Symbolism, Cute)

[@TheAnadromist]

i talked quite a bit about the issues related to the Ukrainian war at the beginning. If you wish to skip to where more of the dialogue between Jonathan and I really gets going start at 35:15 I was assuming that I was being interviewed. But in this context I did go on a while. Alas.

[@NisseNlkolaos]

Not alas, it was great. Coming from an e-mail sent a year ago, to an impromptu talk within a couple of days-you have to get to know each other and decide on what to talk about-and given your context, who and where you are, it was unavoidable but necessary. Going to listen to it again without the eagerness of the first watch.

[@setiem13]

I was always wondering when you guys would have a talk, but I'm glad it finally happened.

[@matthiasbergmann8172]

Wow, this is going to be huge. Looking forward to watching this tomorrow.

[@tomaom4863]

Style tutu unjustly x

[@JasonShermanYouTube]

Awesome!!!

[@stumblingstonemusic6519]

Great to see you and Jonathan finally get together. I've often thought you two should dialogue.

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks. It was a good talk. And I think we'll do it again sometime.

[@mrdos7712]

Wow! After mulling on this, I realised "The Mandalorian" has rejuvenated Star Wars mainly due to its increased adoption of puppets (the adorable/strange "baby yoda", droids/automatons, a main character that never takes of his helmet, puppet like clones etc).

[@TheAnadromist]

Having a good story helps. (At least the first season.) But perhaps there is something to the imagery. Check out my lectures on puppets. Or even my channel dedicated more to the subject: Gravity From Above. Thanks for the comment.

[@Brad-RB]

Great conversation.

[@macksonamission1784]

Byrne, if you have the footage, I'd love to see a intro to types of puppetry video from you (like your recent music video) where you introduce types of puppetry and then insert a clip.

[@TheAnadromist]

Already done. Begin here. (This playlist also adds videos from my other channel.) Start with this one. Go from there. You should get more than enough to proceed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZeUZqptq8dsppY

[@macksonamission1784]

@@TheAnadromist Ask and you shall receive! How did I overlook this? Thank you kindly.

[@gregoryross1693]

Thanks for the video conversation Byrne! I've listened to Michael Millerman about philosophy and he's translated a number of Dugan books - relates Dugan to one of the offshoots of Heidegger - like Leo Strauss can be seen - and had interesting thoughts that were expressed (through Millerman video/podcasts) regarding Dugans philosophy. Then I hear his name getting brought up regarding Putin and things I've never heard of (and I've listened to a bunch of Millerman, therefore a bunch of Dugan) being attributed to him - that term "modern Rasputin" has been freely used by so many recently - I'm just confused. You go check on what Millerman has to say about it on twitter and he seems to imply that these critiques have very little to do with Dugans stated philosophy. Just wondering if this might be just some mislabeling/propaganda or if I'm being led astray by Millerman. I'll keep reading and listening I guess.

[@TheAnadromist]

I listened to Millerman, and even referenced him in a recent video. But I have since backtracked. Did you see this video that I recommended in my War Propaganda video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZXOl3iBhLuUfMU Give it a listen and get back to me. If these quotes are added into the mix, they really can't be ignored. And it's amazing how strongly these ideas graft directly onto Putin's current moves. Not that Putin is only influenced or explained by Dugin. And what is most important about this is that there is evidence that Duginism came subtly into conservative circles through the back door a while ago. And it seems to be an infiltration. And it is odd to me how many conservative folks have fallen in line with Dugin's thinking as soon as the war started, when they showed no signs of it prior to that. Quite curious. Watch the video by Freedom Alternative. The video is from 2016, deeply researched, and scarily prophetic.

[@mostlydead3261]

I would be very careful with Millerman bc he is often being dishonest and is presenting a very sugarcoated version of Dugan's philosophy to his Western audience..

[@mostlydead3261]

@@TheAnadromist Dugan is hardly compatible with the mainstream of American conservatism/classical liberalism.. consider this quote from a lecture delivered to Eastern European audience: "Obama is absolutely white. He is white supremacist. He is white as Нitler. He has nothing African about him. He has nothing black. He is purely W.A.S.P. because there is nothing that would be outside from his American Anglo-Saxon mentality. It is semi-black puppet of white man. And all globalization is the same. It is transmission of the same very narrow result of the modern and post-modern western culture over humanity. It is not dialogue, it is not multiplicity, it is not pluralism, it is not tolerance. It’s pure colinizatory raсism based on the most savage prejudices and that is what we are dealing with. "

[@mostlydead3261]

@@TheAnadromist can u see the quote I posted from Dugin's lecture in response to u here? for some reason YT keeps hiding anything related to it.. most curious, other comments mentioning his name and ideas and using this language stay visible..

[@gregoryross1693]

@@TheAnadromist I will give this a listen. I have a decent sense of the "conservative" pulse and I can only think of a couple folks who are infatuated with Dugan - besides those few folks, most of the very small subset I see mention him largely do in a vein of Heidegger/Straussian liberal order critiques. All that to say that I don't find "Duganism" much. Then again I don't poke around the Spencerian racial right at all. Look forward to giving that video a listen and I'll def reply again in this thread

[@brianbaldelli8055]

Georgia is a great country

[@muadek2]

Hi Anadromist! My subscribers seem to really like your channel, so let me stay here for a bit.

[@TheAnadromist]

Welcome aboard! You should find something worth your time.

[@ronwood788]

Bitter pills but it’s very good. I hate hearing that I’m living in the end days but as a Christian I know and should have known this more. This put to words so many intuitions and feelings.

[@lindadunn8787]

Thank you.

[@gman2010puck]

Coming from Pageau's channel, where I've been getting bored because of his perpetual explain-to-beginners mode. This is the first discussion that really wowed me in quite a while; the puppets and cuteness stuff I'd never considered before. I've been thinking about texture too; always thought the plain drywall look you find in most homes serves as a kind of void, while the objects within and decorating the walls are atoms, deworlded and only referring to themselves. Pretty cathartic to hear someone else address it.

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks. I tend to make videos to make folks jump up a bit to understand what I'm trying to do. (Even the name of the channel is like that!) And about texture? Yes. You are absolutely right. The white wall objectifies. And this got started in art galleries and Bauhaus architecture. Check out my "Byrne Power: L'Abri Lecture - Texture & Meaning". And there is plenty more to dive into as well. Happy swimming.

[@johnshee07]

Thank you. Very thought provoking.

[@jeffpickens4467]

I never thought my mind would be so blown regarding puppets. Brilliant!

[@TheAnadromist]

Glad to hear it! Well then continue being mind-blown with my full length lecture on the subject here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZeUZqptq8dsppY

[@jeffpickens4467]

@@TheAnadromist Thanks!

[@nicolesax9903]

Great conversation! Byrne, I was hoping you would tell Jonathan about when you went to see the Mona Lisa at the Louvre and nobody was looking at the painting because they were so busy taking cell phone photos of it. That image of all the cell phones up in the air has stuck with me. That’s a perfect example of how we’ve lost physicality. Also, when you were talking about tourism, I seem to recall one of your videos (or it could have been a L’Abri lecture) where you talked about how for most of history there was no such thing as tourism at a particular place in Switzerland, or something along those lines. I think Jonathan would enjoy the Rookmaker lectures. You and Jonathan make great interlocutors.

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks Nicole. There was a kind of tourism before the Swiss moment. Roman elites would go to Egypt. But to see something like mountains. Never. A certainly not our strange kind of tourism.

[@vangoghsear8657]

Internet is going to break for this one.

[@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026]

Fascinating conversation! So cool to see Jonathan’s interest! I would love to see more conversations with Jonathan and other people connected to L’Abri.

[@YouTubeComments]

"conversation"

[@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026]

Yep, conversation. There is a real quality to this video. It isn’t packaged. That is what makes it so interesting. We are so habituated to not listening. At L’Abri, I remember a 3 hour conversation between Francis Schaeffer and a man from Pakistan. It was slow and holy. We often talked about the art of conversation. At meals, we would often listen to one person the entire hour. It put everyone into Goethe’s eternal moment. Jonathan was fascinated with Byrne’s articulations of several concepts and said so. His words of attention at the end were so true, as he indicated. It as a classic circling into the centre.

[@YouTubeComments]

@@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 not sure how you can see it that way. This was a monologue of someone who loves to hear themselves speak. He isn't a sage who was telling riveting stories of truth. He was rambling on about his (questionable) opinions and not opening up space for his guest to interject. I'm sure he is an interesting guy and maybe even a good conversationalist but this wasn't an edifying conversation at all imo. His style got in the way of any substance there could have been.

[@mostlydead3261]

@@KZbinComments what about Byrne's opinions are u finding questionable? most were under the impression that he and Jonathon generally agreed.. if u have genuine critique to offer that would be incomparably more fruitful than what ur doing right now..

[@mostlydead3261]

@@KZbinComments u were asked something and asked nicely.. if u arent willing to answer simple question then consider not posting at all..

[@julianw6604]

Fascinating stuff Byrne, please have another conversation. Did you say you did an interview with Solzenitzen or that you have interviews of him?

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks Julian. I suspect another will be coming up. Speaking of which, are you interested in a second go round? There is a very long video of interviews with Solzhenitsyn by famous Russian director Andrei Sakurov. Alas the DVD of it is extremely expensive these days. But you can find the whole thing here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWnaeayjnNSqsNk

[@julianw6604]

@@TheAnadromist Thanks! Yes, that sounds good. It would be nice to have another conversation. I'll send you an email and we can think of some topics.

[@daejin9245]

Still watching the video and Mr Byrne (where the 'cute' is), I really hope you and Mr Pagaeu speaks again...

[@TheAnadromist]

Nearer the last third. I will take this as a reminder.

[@NisseNlkolaos]

From the whole concept of puppets (really, why do we breathe life into images of ourselves like this in the first place, no other art seems to do that to this extent) to texture and physicality and self, I think there's room for a number of talks there. Echoing others: hope you get to do this again at some point. (Self-gratifying anecdote: I discovered Jonathan only recently, 'googling' for orthodox iconography, and then looked up whether he had ever discussed Tarkovsky and that's when your channel came up. You two have been 'mentally associated' to me from the start so I was happy to see this happpen!) Thank you both.

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks Nils I'm glad you got the puppetry point. (A few didn't.) Well I hope to have deeper discussions with Jonathan in the future!

[@Dunderwood62]

No where near enough time to really go into the symbolism with puppets. You really need to do this a few more times so that it is more cogent.

[@andrewstallard6927]

A discussion between Byrne Power and Jonathan Pageau. I haven't even watched it but I'm already giddy.

[@Liisa3139]

More of a monologue than a conversation.

[@spiveeforever7093]

Oh my gosh, cuteness and childishness is everywhere, I never would have thought of that. Anime, furries, hippies, Marvel cosplay, it's all trying to reenchant the world with the only enchanted thing we still value, children. Amazing.

[@TheAnadromist]

I would argue that the Little Pony has already left the barn of childhood enchantment, and it was sold and traded for large eyes for a round headed avatar.

[@RoyalProtectorate]

@@TheAnadromist yeah, going up in today's world I never realized how much watching that anime stuff was effecting me in that way.

[@unclebenny9028]

44:00 ...every family vacation, ever!

[@mosesgarcia9443]

Wonderful. Heavyweights. Titans

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks. Well let's hope a round two comes up in the not too distant future.

[@vixendixon6943]

I for one am really glad this was not a conversation about Orthodoxy or religion in the main. You did have some great points made with some innocent looking words such as cute and point about us getting bribed with what we think gives us freedom and autonomy being such a false assumption is an eye opener.

[@TheAnadromist]

Indeed the bribery idea came to me a couple months back. And cute is something I have already tackled in depth in my writing on The Anadromous Life.

[@TheAnadromist]

Here's the link for my cute series. (Two essays.) theanadromist.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/sacred-cows-8/

[@jjasmin1000]

A crossover the gods would be jealous of. Thank both of you for doing this

[@TheAnadromist]

Glad to know it. Thanks.

[@trappaskunk]

Digital avatars in video games and virtual reality are essentially puppets on strings of code. The directional controls are even analogous to a puppets control bar. I'm curious whether you use video games and if so how your knowledge as a puppeteer shapes how you experience the manipulation of digital avatars.

[@TheAnadromist]

It has been said by some pretty wise puppeteers that in digital games we are the puppets and the games control us.

[@itechnwrite]

@@TheAnadromist - A reinterpretation of “as above, so below”…a Trojan horse that inverts everything, hiding in plain sight.

[@grey.knight]

Good question with a dismissive, pat answer.

[@jiqian]

@@TheAnadromist In the same way a script controls actors in theater, yes.

[@veilofreality]

I tried to watch this, but by the 15th time the host interrupted, and willfully talked over Jonathan, on those very rare occasions, in which he tried to interject a thought, I had had enough. There's a differnce between a dialogue, a conversation and a monologue with a designated victim.

[@TheAnadromist]

I understand your complaint. I did mention the issue at the beginning of the video and pinned the moment when we actually started our conversation. The main point is that I was not actually the host, Jonathan was. He allowed me to use this video. Also I had some assumptions about how he found me which weren't accurate. But I do wish I had allowed him to talk more in the beginning. But then again looking back I sensed a reluctance by him to discuss the subject. (Which is why it's on my channel.) If you go to the timestamp in the pinned comment you'll notice that once we (I) get off the topic of the war it's a much more equal dialogue.

[@veilofreality]

​@@TheAnadromistThanks for taking the time to answer in detail. I was not aware of what had been going on before the conversation. Sorry if my comment came off as harsh, I had seen the clip on the cute/kawaii topic, was curious about the whole discussion, but was kind of putt off when I tried. I'll watch the second part.

[@TheAnadromist]

@@veilofreality Thanks for the patience. Check out my video called 21st century Cargo Cults. For more on the cute thing.

[@AvB2106]

Boy am I exited to watch this one tonight!

[@RodrigoMera]

The dychotomy between the organic patterns and inorganic patterns is medular to some oriental philosophies like Zen, for example.

[@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026]

So glad you mentioned Hans Rookmaaker’s lecture, What is Reality?

[@mustangman776]

Thank you both for such a delightful conversation, and for Jonathan Pageu for bringing me here. Puppets showing the relationships to powers above us is really something cool...there's really something there, especially about authority and apprenticeship contrasted with trying to define oneself. The section on self definition spoke to deeply to me; for I have been badly seduced by it and there’s a deep shame there. **Edit** Thinking further, there's a choice: Do you try to define yourself in controlled isolation or submit to higher authority, to the loving Christian God? I chose wrong, at least refusing to choose for so long… Self definition is a covert contract of some kind where love and sacrifice (among multitudinous patterns folded into Genesis) is traded off for power and control; that goes back to the Garden, a half truth or implicit lie. “You can become like God.” But what do you give up? What do you sacrifice to “define yourself?” I feel, looking back, like it was a terrible sacrifice inimical to life, and my health showed that. Jeez texture as the glory of the particular. Self-definition perverts or grabs ahold of becoming particular insofar is it says this must occur on my terms above Gods? I’m reminded if Paul’s epistle to the Romans speaking about people giving into their desires. Texture is also touch! An embodied sensation, truly not of the mind or central nervous system. Tangentially, people diagnosed with autism are highly sensitive to texture in a brittle way.

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks for the comments. Glad to have you visit. I have made many videos on these subjects. Look around. And yes indeed the choice comes down to recognize that you are made in the image of God or or make yourself in the image of your own inadequate God, yourself.

[@channel_vostok1486]

Julius Evola - Fall of Spirituality; Revolt Against the Modern World; Ride the Tiger; Metaphysics of Power; The Hermetic Tradition; Recognitions; The Bow and the Club.

[@TheAnadromist]

Odd how Julius Evola shows up prominently in Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke's 2001 book Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity.

[@channel_vostok1486]

@@TheAnadromist Evola is catastrophically misread. Himself despised hitlerhunds, was subject of sd investigation due to his views, criticised Mussolini to certain extent and Catholic Church for becoming a sponge. Should the esoteric backbone of these modern international superstructures and conglomerates would have been formed on Evolian orientation rather than those of Himmler and Rosenberg, Marx and Lenin or Locke and Smith, we would not have these valkyries and leviathans to fight. Great talk BTW, I'm glad to discover your channel!

[@pawpawforhealth]

I talk about roughness instead of texture

[@TheAnadromist]

I understand why. Ray Bradbury used the word features. Jonathan uses particularity. But texture is the thing no one talks about. It has a very precise meaning. And the fact that it has become difficult to define is part of my issue. Richard I am assuming you've already watched my texture lecture.

[@giuliosiciliano]

1:09:40 Something like nostalgia for childhood, a sort of instinct for the paradise lost. Also it harkens to Paul Vander Klay's recent thoughts about the South Park 'member berries.

[@sokkoart]

want to know the name of those anarchic czetch puppetiers!

[@TheAnadromist]

Buchty a loutky. Czech out my most recent video on my Georgian Crossroads channel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2e7nJ-Dpr-Hns0

[@sokkoart]

@@TheAnadromist thanks, will be listenging all your contect while I make art (love your concept of make something that is tangible and with texture).

[@benlafever1562]

Giam Domenico Tiepolo the great giambattista Tiepolo s son made his art almost exclusively about the carnival. Jonathan Pageau u should really check out his art as it was illuminating symbolic truths before the time of the French revolution. You should hate it as it is rococo enlightenment high art.... Just your style lol. They are some of my favorite artists of all time.

[@grey.knight]

Pageau almost got a word in but you showed him who was boss. 💪

[@regpharvey]

I love Pageau and Byrne but I do have to admit you are right here. This comment made me laugh out loud for a few minutes.

[@wasumyon6147]

One of the most successful puppetry based media lately is Thunderbolt Fantasy done in the traditional Chinese puppetry.

[@KillerKabel]

The texture insight is really profound. Reality is deeply textured and so much of my everyday life doesn't have any texture at all. I see the world differently after hearing about that, so thank you! Interesting how the young people now are telling the 'online idiots' to 'go touch grass'. A more precise wording could be 'go get some texture into your life'. :)

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks for the thoughts. Yes touch grass does have a sort of hippie back to the land vibe to it. I think you would find my lecture on texture worth your time to wrestle through. kzbin.info/www/bejne/roaxfJaLlJl_hpo

[@mostlydead3261]

probably the most fruitful way to engage with Dugin is via his Noomakhia lectures.. at the very least the first introductory one bc it paints his picture of the world, the West, Christianity and so on.. neither were the lectures meant for the Western audiences nor is he planing to have the books they are based on translated to English so this is probably closer to what he is really about..

[@TheAnadromist]

Visit Vlad Vexler's channels for a sober assessment of Dugin.

[@StasBalabay]

Hey, thanks for the video. It seemed to me that you somewhat misrepresented Dugin's views or I may've misunderstood you. Dugin doesn't even believe in reality of race. He claims to follow Francis Boas in antropology, at least when it come to race, and he claimed it's just a social construct. Nor is he a nationalist. Maybe an imperialist in a sense but not in the classical sense because traditionally an Empirical view implies an opposition between Peace and Order (Empire) vs War and Chaos (Barbaric lands); Truth (true religion of the Empire, thus need to evangelise the barbarians) vs Lie (heathens). But the key concept for Dugin is the Multipolarity which totally contraditcs traditional emperial categories. It posits there's different, incompatible but "legitimate" kinds of Order: subjects of history aren't individuals (liberalism), classes (marxism/socialism) or nations (nationalism/fascism) but civilizations (yes, here he just follows the civilisational school of philosophers of history). Next, he claims there's absolute sovereignty of each civilisation in its internal affairs and in the face of the rest of civilisations. Knowing the history of Russia, one can see why Russia as a separate civilisation according to Dugin (not only him) would have a unique claim to Ukraine and wouldn't want it as a part of the the Atlantic world order (as in opposition to Eurasion order). There's a lot more to uncover, especially his esoteric stuff where he may even be seen as gnostic and postmodernist. I haven't actually read books by him but watched many of his lectures, episodes of his shows and read some articles by him and about him. So, his religious and mystical views seem unnerving, weird and heretical to an Orthodox Christian but his (geo)political beliefs seem more tolerable to me. I would recommend everyone interested to check out Michael Millerman. As far as I've seen, he mostly covers his geopolitical beliefs (4PT).

[@TheAnadromist]

Thanks for the long explanation. What exactly the truth is is difficult to understand. But I do believe a form of Gnosticism lies at the heart of his view.

[@clintbrill2317]

I don't know if I am "waiting" for anything.

[@Liisa3139]

Waiting for Godot?

[@genesiskeglar6372]

You’re right, no need to dwell on the era of irony, even though I miss it already ha ha… But time its self ensures change, good or bad. And I think I remember you saying something in one of your older “time“ videos about the absurdity of applying weights and measures to time itself.

[@TheAnadromist]

Indeed. This was a serious problem with modern science. They took our measurements of time to be time itself. Whereas time as we experience it never matches our measurements. (But this is giving me an idea for a video.)

[@jarlnicholl1478]

KZbin is close to making these comment sections useless. What's point in writing a longer comment if there is 50% chance it'll be gone in the space of few seconds.

[@TheAnadromist]

Well it's still here. Thanks.

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

It made me self-censor to the point where I can still say what I want but avoid the removal. I feel mixed feelings as I both appreciate it and resent it. I think it prepares me to go full ketman if such a need arises one day.

[@chrisc7265]

I really hate this, especially when you make a long well thought out post and go out of your way to make sure it doesn't use any trigger words, but they still pull it try substack, lots of good content to discuss and censorship is mostly (if not entirely) handled by the content creator

[@TheRationalCarpenter]

Metaphysics of Ed the Sock

[@balderbrok6438]

I have as of yet not seen eurasianism being connected to "race" or the like by actual eurasianists, so if it acutally is the case that certain eurasianists bring race or even genetics more generally into their worldview then I would like to know who. Dugin himself is not only an explicit non-racialist who is too much of a perennialist too talk about genetics at all, he also sees nationalism and the concept of "nation" (as opposed to "kingdom" or "empire") as belonging to europe's modernity, calling it a "western capitalist construct". I have myself made an analogy to genetics once when arguing that a diversity of civilizations would be a good thing (in line with eurasianism), but then because I had to link my argument to a biological term. As for there being "lesser slavs" or the like, the only thing that I have heard of Dugin related to that is an idea of ukrainians being "purer russians than those who emigrated east". While there are elements to duginism which makes me a bit worried, it's hard to trust any critique of him when even his most innteligent critics often seem to have a distorted view of what he thinks, or at best keep to a few fairly reasonable but not really that condemning arguments (jonathan pageau) relatively speaking.

[@jimmieoakland3843]

I assumed that WW III would start because of some damn thing in the Balkans.

[@TheAnadromist]

There are many of other locations: Taiwan, Pakistan India border, and of course the Middle East.

[@zenden6564]

This discussion was largely a missed opportunity on the current Ukraine war topic as the host completely misrepresented Dugin's position with a caricature and IMO bad faith or perhaps lazy dismissal of Dugin. A far more real, astute and nuanced understanding of what's going on with Dugin is available from copious YT's by Dugin translator scholar Michael Millerman.

[@TheAnadromist]

I'd trust Vlad Vexler more.

[@zenden6564]

@@TheAnadromist - heat versus light. If we're talking credence Prof. Millerman is a fastidious scholar with deep intellectual understanding. Of course even good scholars are perhaps no match to the visceral forces of the rushed blood raised in a hot war. But for understanding I'll stick with Millerman unless you can cite something specific failing?

[@Charles3x7]

Tattoos and other identity expressions are not just a bribe; it’s a cope.

[@TheAnadromist]

And sadly an admission of the thinness of both our identities and of our reality.

[@Charles3x7]

Definitely. I also consider tattoos and piercings specifically to often be expressions of inner trauma. Instead of “healing “the traumas, they re-inflict them as outward expressions of identity.

[@Liisa3139]

Tattoos are a way of concealing your nakedness, your true skin, your real you.

[@Bakarost]

Man whats the point of having Jonathan there i was expecting a convo instead got a history lesson on puppets wtf Edit to add i got to half way and had to close it. No disrespect if this is your thing with puppets but not for me!!

[@TheAnadromist]

I guess you don't get my point about puppets. First time here? What you wanted was probably in the second half. The puppets are important, not children's playthings. What were you expecting by the way?

[@olgakarpushina492]

The Ukraine/Russia thing was a disappointment 😞. People who think of themselves as spiritual do not recognize the spiritual battle going on right in front of them.

[@TheAnadromist]

Of course we do. Who do you think is directing the traffic of this world? We don't have to say it all the time to recognize it. Thanks for reminding us Olga.

[@olgakarpushina492]

@@TheAnadromist if you do, why would you not say it out loud? You can't seriously see this conflict as happening between two Orthodox brother nations. It's between Christianity and the Whore of Babylon.

[@TheAnadromist]

Alas I cannot feel your hatred myself. Christ would not approve.

[@olgakarpushina492]

@@TheAnadromist my hatred? Who do you think I hate? Other than the Whore, of course? Christ was very specific about His mission: bringing not peace but sword. Go tell Him He needs not to approve.

[@TheAnadromist]

@@olgakarpushina492 And to love you enemies? Did He not say that too? And is the Whore people or a system?

[@Wingedmagician]

puppetry is not going to be the art from of this time to rival music and movies lmao. Animation and comics maybe

[@TheAnadromist]

As I said puppetry is an antidote to the digital insanity of our age. Music has been a commercial tool since the 90s. It is simply now background music for most people. Movies, woke manipulations and addictive nonsense far too often. Animation and comics, I'm assuming you mean digital comics since paper comics started dying 20 years ago. Nah this stuff is already boring. Unless you've got some proof otherwise. By the way I've kept my eyes on animation and comic books seriously since the 80s. And your experience with puppetry is what? Ever been to a serious puppet show? Are you thinking Muppets? Or kids' stuff? Time to disabuse you of such notions. Here is a short video I made called the Dark Face of the Puppet. Tell me if THIS is what you are thinking when you say puppets? Tell me if you can laugh your ass off at these? Smugness irks me. It's time to wipe off the smirk. The actual puppetry here is only 6 minutes long. Good luck. kzbin.info/www/bejne/haa1Y52BpZVpmqM

[@YouTubeComments]

Geeze man, let Jonathan get a word in.

[@TheAnadromist]

Yeah I did go on too much at the beginning.

[@YouTubeComments]

Lol this is not a conversation. This man won't stop talking. I'm 45 minutes in and am going to rip my hair out.