Analizing 17th century period drama costumes.... (help)

[@seanmcgcostumes]

I'm so glad this video was just recommended to me! This is *such* an under-appreciated century of fashion but has such interesting styles! I gotta watch The Miniaturist and Tulip Fever asap.

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

That's how it is! just as you say. Thank you!

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Oh my gosh, just stumbled across you by accident - WHY doesn't YT recommend all the relevant creators when it knows we watch a whole bunch of costube content?? 🤦🏻‍♀️ Looking forward to this... And the category "they knew but they didn't care" is so accurate for so many film & TV producers/directors, sigh!! 😂

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Girl youre comment make me so happy! Thank you so much! 😊

[@suburbanbeatnik]

Thanks for posting this! There's not a lot of love for the 17th century, and it's great to see a video dedicated to this era. I'm so happy to see that you love The Three Musketeers and The VVitch as much as I do. And the costumes for Tulip Fever are just... mind-blowingly good. I watched the movie in the cinema, and my jaw was on the ground at how good the costumes were. The script was very mid, but the production values and costume design were on another level. If you haven't seen Restoration, I highly recommend it. It's a great film, about the rise and fall (and rise) of a young doctor during Charles II's reign. Starring Robert Downey Jr! The costumes are really fantastic. One thing that really truly bugs me about a lot of costuming for this era is the men's doublet collars. In a lot of shows, the men's doublet collars are too low, and the lace collars as a result lie flat against the collarbone like god-awful Little Lord Fauntleroy suits. No, no, no! That's not what they're supposed to look like! They're supposed to elegantly cover the neck, not expose it. Only a vanishingly few number of productions get that right (The Three Musketeers, Tulip Fever) and even some of the better productions get it wrong (like the Miniaturist-- too much exposed neck, guys). I have so many other comments about movies set during this period, but I don't want my comment to be a novel, so I'll end it here. Thanks for the fun video-- I've subscribed!

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

I love youre comment! Thank you so much, for enjoying the video and for the lovely comment my darling!😊

[@ThildasBeinhaus]

great video! I'm so glad the 17th century finally gets the fashion attention it deserves. I wonder what your thoughts are on the girl with the pearl earring, stage beauty and The Devils by Ken Russel - which was the movie that made me fell in love with 1630s fashion.

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

thank you very much for the kind words! And thanks for naming me those movies that I will surely see soon. Greetings and luck!

[@serahloeffelroberts9901]

As a costume designer myself i really enjoyed your accurate assessments of the different movies. Watching an otherwise enjoyable film with wrong costuming is like listening to a piano concerto on an out of tune piano.

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Tottally agree! even if the movie/show is actually good but their costumes not it completly pulls me off.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

The Witch, The Miniaturist, & Tulip Fever are pure Chef's Kiss! I liked Versailles, but I was also kind of just watching it for Alex Vlahos & George Blagden, originally! I stopped watching Jamestown after Season 1: The moments of perfect/ near-perfect recreation of period items, feel like a waste of time; they just serve to highlight how rubbish the rest of it is... That feels like most costume dramas in a nutshell - like, what's the point of making- I don't know- say, three *perfect* costume recreations- if the characters in your film/ mini-series are too modern, & the hair & makeup are gar-bar-ge...?

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Exactly!! Omg i love youre response hahaha. thank you!!❤

[@Niobesnuppa]

I hadn't even heard of half of these movies before, but the costumes in some of these are so insanely good-looking and accurate, I think I'll have to check them out just for the eye candy alone. Also, how do you only have 80 subscribers?

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Thank you very much for your kind words, I really recommend the movies and shows in the first rank!

[@AW-uv3cb]

I loved the look of the Tulip Fever, more's the shame that the story was not that great, at least to me (doesn't seem like I was the only one). With the Discovery of Witches - I think at least with the female clothing they made a really good effort at conveying the general look and silhouette while keeping to the constraints of time and budgeting (it's a tv series and ultimately the time travel is just an element of it, not the main focus). For what the series is - a light, romantic fantasy show with a bit of time travel thrown in - it could've been so, so much worse! The VVitch - yes, I live for Robert Egger's movies, I always feel like I'm transported to a different time and a different way of looking at the world! Have you seen Peter Greeneway's The Draughtsman's Contract? I think you might love the costumes! (I also think these tier reviews should have 2 separate categories for "it was a designer choice" or similar sentiment: sometimes it really is "they knew and didn't care because they were lazy", but sometimes it's "they knew perfectly well and they made a conscious decision to play with it for aesthetic and story-telling reasons", like they did with the fabrics in The Favourite. The two groups are definitely not the same haha)

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Thanks for your views! I haven't seen The Draftsman's Contract but since you mention it I probably will! And I love that you think how the ranking categories could have been with youre respective opinions, so thank you anyway!😊

[@AW-uv3cb]

@@felixortizmadamequeen7731 The Draughtsman's Contract is a VERY strange movie, but I think it's possibly the only one I've ever seen with clothing from that particular decade (with the tall lacy headdresses and all, I forgot their name), it's a very unique look - I hope you like the costumes and enjoy the strange story! 🙂

[@MarAlbarracin]

GIRRRRRRRRL YOU'RE AWESOME

[@georgetteromero7260]

There´s also a version of Cyrano de Bergerac of 1990 and was SOOOOOO GOOD, I recomend you to search it, it´s in youtube but in spanish

[@coranova]

This was great! Thanks for your time!

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Thank you so much!!

[@BethDiane]

Have you seen Ariane Mnouchkine's Molière?

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

No i haven't, but from what i've seen it looks wonderful!

[@adriannespring8598]

Ooohhh have you seen the Julie Delpy film The Countess? On Elizabeth Bathory. And the film Dangerous Beauty based on the life of Veronica Franco? Llloooove those 2 films.

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

I haven't seen them, I'm going to look at them! Thank you

[@margaretlouise6200]

I'm not a seamstress, but many of the movie dresses look somehow "homemade," in other words not as sleek or fitted as well, maybe not pressed properly in construction. I know it's easier to paint a good fit rather than to create one on the human form, but I tend to think the paintings are more like the actual fitting would have been....form following, cinched up in all the right places, pressed well... very professionally done. If someone had an oil portrait done, they had the money to really fit the clothing. Presumably a movie would have a budget to do so, but something's missing even when the period is faithfully followed. What is it that gives the movie versions that homespun, not-fitting-so-well character??

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Yeah i think the same!

[@AW-uv3cb]

I think time and budgeting is one of the main reasons why the costumes often look so bad haha (especially in tv series as opposed to high-budget feature films). From what I hear from people who work for TV, they really don't get that much time to do historical costumes, and I'm sure most of them would love to be able do more accurate stuff - ultimately the decisions come from the top: if the producers and show-runners are not bothered about the right look, the designers and seamstresses (or seamstressers, as may be?) can't to do much about it. And sometimes it's the budgeting issue: like how much time and money would it take to get the proper fabrics and structure all the garments meticulously. Like with the Discovery of the Witches - trying to find the right type of lace would probably be a bit counter-productive just for a couple of episodes, and most of the target audience is probably not going to notice anyway, because it's not that kind of a show - so getting modern lace is a quicker substitute that still conveys the general vibe and look. I really think that's the best they could hope for in the circumstances, and at least they showed the whole sequence of the main character getting dressed in appropriate layers of clothing (and not moaning about how sh can't breathe in the corse... I mean, the stays ;-) ), which is more than can be said about many other productions haha 🙂

[@margaretlouise6200]

@@AW-uv3cb I guess the poor look is a combination of all you say, but there's something about the fit itself. Like it would often look better if it were 2 sizes smaller. I think this is particularly true of Tudor era necklines. In the portraits they're tight fitting in the corner areas where the neckline hits the bust but always looser in the costuming. The V of the bodice that descends far below the waist is another thing, it's always too loose. One thing may be that seamstresses today don't know the tailoring tricks of their Tudor colleagues to get it just right.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Interesting comment, as we seem to see the same issue in more recent 'vintage era' movies too - a lot of comment e.g. by YT costume content creators on things like fit in the most recent Marilyn Monroe so-called biopic. Unclear whether the problem is lack of historical fitting research by the costume teams? Interference by production teams? Budget limits on time to get it right? My own guess is that it's limits of availability of the actors prior to filming starting, so costumes often have to be made up then hurriedly retrofitted to them, rather than constructed to very exact dimensions & fitted right during construction? But would be great to get some input from people actually in the industry!

[@sherriyanakopulos1289]

Opinions- great, teaching us what it should be - fine. Filthy language absolutely turned me off, couldn’t finish watching. Totally unnecessary!!

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

Okey thanks for the opinion!

[@scienceonabudget]

I am sorry but I didn't see the language issues you pointed?

[@AW-uv3cb]

agreed, what filthy language? Does she mean the w**** in the actual movie title? :-D

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

I think the OP is probably referring in particular to the "meme references" vid clips that were slotted in occasionally, esp. in earlier part of the video? Those were definitely way more full of profanity than the actual commentary, & tbh I did find them rather disruptive and a wee bit cheesy myself too...? Just a personal preference though, still enjoyed the actual costume reviewing. 👍

[@felixortizmadamequeen7731]

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Thanks for the point of view! Tottaly taking in to consideration not adding them the next time! anyways have a good day!