ANALYSIS of Sam Shankland's PREMOVE in Chess Olympiad 2022

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[@Osigot]

2:44 "look at Robert, he just completely in shock" Meanwhile Robert: *laughing*

[@suryanshdwivedi9043]

You can still laugh when you are shocked. Like when you finish 2nd in your school ( from the bottom ).

[@alangrund5031]

Had over 2 minutes on clock. Acted as if it was a bullit game. What a blunder.

[@Rakshank_Savadatti]

Peter S using a cricket reference for an event being played in India. So apt. Well-done Peter.

[@saig2007]

But Sam didn’t score ‘ugly runs’ here. He dropped a sitter ( easy catch) to let his team down

[@Rakshank_Savadatti]

@@saig2007 eventually yes .. But he was talking before that 'brainfade' moment happened, if you know what I mean.

[@VivekSingh-gz8lu]

Sam was trying to flag him but unfortunately he trapped in it 🤣

[@tickeshwarbabu2741]

Time stamp

[@sayan64]

Sam and his strange stories. He has resigned after achieving a well known fortress, he has bluffed in world cup(1st time blundering a piece, after opponent misses it he left it hanging and played something else in hope that he won't see it), now he did this. I am sure there is more

[@logirex]

I watched it and was thinking sure this can happen if you got a few seconds left on the clock but he had minutes. He even had more time left than Robert 🤢

[@ig2d]

@logirex moving instantly was his way of saying to his opponent - ive got this all figured out... What was really weird was how peter svidler had descibed earlier how Topalov had premoved once against him - taking his own queen with his knight

[@VivekSingh-gz8lu]

Sam was trying to flag him but unfortunately he trapped in it 🤣

[@d0wnpour]

Who did he play in that World Cup game?

[@ig2d]

@@d0wnpour Anish Giri at Tata steel 2019. What made this particularly galling was that in the 2019 Batumi Olympisd Giri had publically stated that Shankland was clearly the weakest link in the USA team

[@LeviATallaksen]

Can't believe Leko actually predicted what had happened!

[@berniecat8756]

Unlike Sam

[@mmmmmatt]

half a point away from being World Champion

[@VivekSingh-gz8lu]

Sam was trying to flag him but unfortunately he trapped in it 🤣

[@alexkarthick]

Peter talked about 'scoring the ugly runs'- apt commentary. Sam seemed more nervous than his opponent with roughly 5 times the time he had than his opponent. tough luck!

[@edpratomo]

Sam always looks nervous, even when relaxing on the beach

[@tommyunlimited1300]

I feel sad for Sam, He went through so much positional torture to save that horrible position, When game was almost drawn, This happened..

[@Mrpallekuling]

Sam looked very tense and nervous before the blunder, in spite of having more time on the clock in a drawn position. But in this tournament, he has nevertheless played better than Caruana, who now has his lowest rating since 2013.

[@allgood8368]

Adrenal rush . So much had already gone emotionally throughout the game . He even survived from loss . That same thing happened with hikaru also in world cup last game . I am also a victim of this situation when demon plays the role

[@kunalsingh4418]

Tbh Sam is playing on board 4 and being a 2700 player, he should have dominated more considering he is getting the weakest opponents out of everyone.

[@TheMarc477]

@@kunalsingh4418 yea not a great performance

[@hubomba]

He drew a 2175 FM. Sam did not play better than Caruana.

[@petyai1348]

It’s interesting that everybody says that Armenia got lucky but nobody mentions that Armenia’s strongest player now plays for the US. Think of this error as the price USA paid for the Armenian player.

[@hungle1136]

This game changed all team play tomorrow .

[@violetasuklevska9074]

I know no one cares, but there was another trick in the position (instead of Qg2): Qb7 Qc4+ Kg3 Qxa4 (blunder) Qg2 Kc1 Qb2+ Kd1 Bc3 Qd7 Qb1+ Ke2 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd2+ and we win the queen

[@magjistariukaj6306]

Sorry im just too lazy to follow up and visualize a 10 move sequence of notation

[@sdaiwepm]

Very nice camera work!

[@TheMaestromMephisto]

the commentaotrs didnt even notice sam touched his king, so he has to move in, sam is a gentleman he wont pretend he didnt touch it

[@frankel7333]

As a medium level player this is pretty astonishing with a 30s increment

[@kzmOP]

Unfortunate, some good defense was abt to come. No worries Sam. Nice fighting.

[@keithmatthews1673]

In the UK we would say that Sam should have gone to Specsavers! (they are opticians)

[@turealm478]

Thats not only a UK thing m8

[@julianhodgson1202]

BTW for those wondering Qc4+ instead of ‘Kc2’ would have led to a draw by force something I’m 100% sure Sam would have played if he’d realised Qg2 had been played instead of the expected Qh1

[@synchronium24]

Analysis of both commentators not paying attention to the board.

[@gmnotyet]

This is the biggest choke since this guy missed 4 straight free throws at the end of Game 1 of the 1995 NBA Finals.

[@jave7318]

Never seen a live action of Premove before lmao

[@ovidio3800]

93.Ke2.. still resists a few moves , as 93. ...QxQ+, doesn't work for 95.KxQ; with the idea Kc4 and Kb5 picking the pawn

[@joebloggs396]

It wasn't a premove in computer chess terms.

[@nobroo5264]

To all who wonder why he would even touch the king he expected Qh1+ but unfortunately Hovhannisyan played Qg2

[@diskarte221]

what I like about sam shankland here is he is honest, some people will cover it up and make excuses

[@iancootz]

I get that the position was a losing one, but weren’t they both close to time trouble? Why not play it out instead of resigning anyway

[@tatsuyasigh1906]

There's 30s increment, all white has to do is shield his king from check. A few quick moves will gain him enough time to calculate that. But I think Sam resigned bc he was just so disgusted with himself

[@mriganksinghal91]

Sam was scoring ugly runs for his team, but then he left a straight one and got out.

[@chazzabh]

Out - hit wicket🤪🤪

[@TheMarc477]

worst thing is he had enough time

[@BattleslashX]

World First OTB Premove

[@truecuckoo]

Ouch

[@mellem4653]

Do the rules require you to move the piece that you touched when it was not your move? If so, since your opponent knows your next move, they can play an unrelated move that results in heavy material loss or mate threat that you cannot now address because you are forced to play the pre-designated move.

[@privatevendetta]

No. It does require to play the piece you touch during your move. Which Sam did. You can adjust your own pieces by saying j'adoube. Which you can do during your opponents turn but usually you wait until your turn.

[@houseofleaves126]

He moved his piece after his opponent moved but before his opponent pressed the clock. Perhaps this is somewhat a grey area in the rules. At the end of the day, it’s up to the arbiter to make the decision.

[@houseofleaves126]

Also, it was his move and he touched the king to put it back in its original square, so this surely counts as touching it on his move.

[@eljanrimsa5843]

@@houseofleaves126 That's not a grey area in the rules. If you touch your piece with the intention to move it, you have to move it. But, also your observation is not correct. Have a look at 2:15. Hovhannisyan is about to press the clock. Shankland has not yet touched his piece.

[@MarkAnthony0325]

Real chess fan will feel the same 😔😔

[@JellyMonster1]

Commentators very slow to react to Sam's last move.

[@J0sho495]

Would be good to show why it's a blunder. Good job.

[@anto1756]

Because since he touched the king he has to go Kc1 and then black plays Qb2 Qxb3 and is up a clean bishop

[@evanbelcher]

I guess my question is: even if his opponent DID play Queen check, wouldn't Sam have had to write down his opponent's move before playing his own?

[@joshuarovinelli8597]

don't have to write down moves below 5 min

[@OccamsTazer]

@@joshuarovinelli8597 Actually he would have, with 30 seconds increment you have to note the moves down regardless of the time on your clock

[@stefan4159]

No. FIDE Laws of Chess, Article 8.1 says otherwise: "A player may reply to his opponent’s move before recording it, if he so wishes. He must record his previous move before making another." So you don't have to write it _immediately_ after the opponent moves is the point. For example, say I am playing Black in a classical game, and White opens 1. e4. I am then allowed to blitz out 1... e5 without recording "1. e4". However, once the opponent responds with 2. Nf3, I am not allowed to play 2... Nc6 without recording "1. e4 e5". In practice, I and other players typically do this when I am low on time and there is an obvious move, such as a recapture or an only move, so as to get a bonus of 29-30 seconds instead of 25 seconds. It can absolutely make all the difference.

[@bobing1752]

No you can play your move before writing down your opponent's move. The rule is that your previous move must be written down before you play your move. Also, the rule which states that players don't have to write down their moves is usually for little to no increment time controles like Norway Chess. But official FIDE times controles are with 30s increment which is enough to write a move and play one, therefore there is almost never such a rule which allows you to stop writing down your move.

[@charles2521]

The only American player on the American team is their worst player

[@tribonian3875]

He is a very good player, stay fair.

[@alangrund5031]

Really great commentary. Try watching the board. Might help.

[@coleclark6866]

first of all how dare you

[@JohnSmithEx]

​@@coleclark6866 how dare to do what? Share an opinion in a KZbin video? Don't worry, if you don't hurt the feelings of a protected group of people there is nothing to be afraid of.

[@coleclark6866]

@@simonlowrie5731 yes😂

[@Joreselin]

@@JohnSmithEx what an unusual tangent to go on in the latter half of your comment.

[@dongardzzlacnayz4357]

This is a result of on line pre moving. I mean he is a Super GM and got plenty of Time this is OTB not Online ....

[@evanling7570]

What if he had insisted on playing the illegal move? Wouldn't that still not lose immediately

[@LinkAranGalacticHero]

I think he would have lost some time on the clock as a penalty, but on top of that, as far as I know, the game would have resumed but he would have been forced to play a legal move with the piece he touched. So at any rate he would have ended up moving the king and losing, because any legal king move loses in this position

[@XxMVPxDawg]

How can you play an illegal move? You are simply resigning at that point.

[@31redorange08]

I don't understand your question. How can you insist on playing an illegal move?

[@francescoparazzini5291]

I think in classic you just lose

[@icampabadals]

@@XxMVPxDawg bro if it wasn't for lichess not allowing me to make the move I can't imagine how many illegal moves I'd play unintentionally. clearly I'm a noob though so 🤣

[@Epagael]

Mind over matter. Shankland calculated variations leading to check on the first rank which was possible move by his opponent. That variation didn't leave his mind and until the actual execution of touching the king. Shankland was a victim of that psychological impression.

[@deutscheblitzkrieg]

The touch move rule is idiotic.

[@R4J4N]

Sorry for Sam and the USA team. The moral of the story is then, 'don't live in your assumption.'

[@user-kl3ot6bg5h]

Why think long if your team is winning? Make it a draw.

[@mel124177]

Lmao what a fkup for a 2700-rated pro! 😅 But then, we all know how taxing and cruel chess can be...😢

[@AaronHillyer]

I don't understand why touch is used today. Who cares he touched it? How does that prove one person is better. Stupid rule..always has been. Go by what is PLAYED

[@MissMailer]

He build a very good defense only to blunder in the end. What a sad story. USA would have been on the top of standings already. The pressure put a toll on Shankland.

[@gmnotyet]

USA would have beaten Armenia and been in clear first if Shankland had drawn this game.

[@englishemporium4215]

too much of online chess dude! too much.

[@ligidobastian9245]

This is unfortunate

[@pingerfrints6716]

Sam Shankland's opponent looks like in the audition who sings,"Ahhhhhhhh" and then the judges laughs.

[@MrSulfurMustard]

That looks infuriating.

[@prasaddd]

Wut

[@WeCube1898]

I wished that Nakamura was with Team USA.

[@grungyful]

For those who think they are too clever and playing before writing opponent's move haha for you here is a big funny example for Sam Shankland who thinks he is clever and forces opponent's time to drop.Both unprofessional and stupid.Well deserved though.

[@eudesgeoffroy8416]

lol The two Peters making completely irrelevant commentaries and failing to, not explain, but even describe whats is happening.

[@Deep01101995]

aint it something like real life flagging? 😯

[@Rikuzki]

Flagging means that you win (or draw) a game on time. It does happen over the board chess as well (not just online). This has nothing to do with that..

[@bobing1752]

Bro "flagging" litterally comes from OTB chess, since old mecanical clocks used flags which would fall when you run out of time (hence the expression "to flag" for running out of time). So "real life flagging" is just flagging. Anyways, I don't see what this has to do with flagging

[@Rikuzki]

@@bobing1752 Bro wrote the same comment...

[@bobing1752]

@@Rikuzki well you said it happens on OTB chess, while I say it's borrowed from OTB chess. But yes, it's pretty much the same idea.

[@Deep01101995]

i was not having such a literal meaning. All i see here is the opponent didn't do the most ovious move which made sam predict wrong and since its OTB u need to play the piece that you touched.

[@lerrynshernandez5047]

What Sam did is from an amateur player. As simple as that. He had two minutes to play, he couldn't control his nerves, and he made a move as if he were playing on a computer.

[@magjistariukaj6306]

If you did understand just a little bit about human nature you would know it was his subconscious mind that was playing the last move ,thus his conscious mind was completely unaware of what it was doing

[@absidyabsidy2727]

2700+ rated amateur player?

[@grego8406]

Armchair GM here

[@adhityain]

Nice analysis, Magnus Carlsen

[@lerrynshernandez5047]

@@absidyabsidy2727 He is not an amateur player, his behavior at the time was. I think you urgently need a reading comprehension course.

[@yildiraykomurcu]

Maybe we need to relax this rule. The rule saying that you need to move the piece you touched. My argument is that, the rules force you to move the piece you touched but they also allow that if you made your move without tapping on the clock, you are free to change your move with the piece you touched. You cannot change the piece, but you can change the square it moved. That's also absurd to me. If you allow it, then you can also allow touching on pieces. In this case, the only definition of the move is to hit the clock. Before then, anythings goes. Hitting the clock is the no turning back point.

[@CapAnson12345]

The problem is you will get people shuffling pieces all over the place to "see" the variations more clearly which is at a minimum annoying and at worst will muck up the position.

[@Osigot]

This is the main rule of chess: think before play.

[@febatista2932]

He touched the king and therefore has to make a king-move. Every legal move with the king is absolutely losing though, that‘s why he resigned immediately.

[@yildiraykomurcu]

@@Osigot Yes but there is also the reality of time trouble which forces players to move quickly since they are given less and less time even in classical time format. How often do we see 120 minutes for 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and 30 moves + increment for the rest of the game time control? Only in candidates and wcc matches.

[@yildiraykomurcu]

@@CapAnson12345 Common sense should not be violated in any case giving freedom to players to touch every piece before they finally make their move. I am not talking about that. It would be quite disturbing. With the current rules, a player can indeed touch a piece and not move it if it is clear to both players and there is absolutely no ambiguity that it is done to correct the position of a piece in a square. That can be done. So I think touch rule can also be relaxed to minimize losses that is not the evaluation of the position.

[@mikhailgorbynov8779]

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