Analyzing iCarly Ships: Creddie & Seddie

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@riymeep6708
@riymeep6708 11 ай бұрын
I think I would prefer Seddie if it wasn't so abusive. If Sam had just been teasing Freddie so they started out with a mutual dislike, with both of them slowly becoming nicer to each other, I would have really liked it. But considering that Sam was so physically violent towards him and it never really got addressed, I can't really support it.
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
That's why creddie is better and I'm so damn happy they finally got together in the reboot
@Du-yw1pz
@Du-yw1pz 11 ай бұрын
@@tonymartinez5567 Uh Creddie is no better to be honest, considering the fact that Carly has took advantage of Freddie's crush on her in the original series by sometimes using it as a weapon for him to do her bidding and by her blackmailing him to as well. And I hate that they got together in the revival to, as I just think they are just better as friends tbh.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@Du-yw1pz the way some of you talk like you didn't watch the whole series. Carly never did any of those without Freddie himself being very aware of it, called her out on it and still went ahead to do it on his own accord out of his own obsessive crush on her! She owed him no reciprocation either! And all that was like in season 1 when they were just 12? Which they still have addressed now that they're adults on the revival. On the original, they grew to be teens by Season 2-6 and their friendship got closer and matured past all that on that was in.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Canonically they were NOT. Period. And we're dealing with what actually happened on the show here, not "what should have or could have happened". It's the same way anyone would argue that Creddie could have had better writing and been even more superior🤷🏽‍♀️
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Even without the abuse factor, seddie was never compatible for a romantic relationship, they were barely even decent friends so why force something that is not there all to satisfy supposed opposite attract claims¿
@rosestar1324
@rosestar1324 11 ай бұрын
So cute seeing Freddie going from the shortest of the trio to being the tallest.
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
Him and carly are the same height
@marlonclark-pp9wg
@marlonclark-pp9wg 10 ай бұрын
he really grew up
@FireBall1881
@FireBall1881 6 ай бұрын
if you look at early episodes from season 1, they literally had to have Freddie wear PLATFORM SHOES to make him taller lol
@GamerGirl997
@GamerGirl997 5 ай бұрын
@@FireBall1881my sister and I called them franken-shoes😂
@Kristianalexis1
@Kristianalexis1 5 ай бұрын
@@FireBall1881I literally just came to reference this 😂
@OGseoulite
@OGseoulite 11 ай бұрын
Am I the only one that grew up hating the idea of BOTH ships?? Both Creddie & Seddie felt forced and honestly the show would’ve been so much better if they chose to do one option as a love arc but not both. It honestly would’ve been so much better for all of them to remain friends who don’t have romantic feels for the other cause that’s how teen relationships irl works. Just because you have a guy friend doesn’t mean he’s the next candidate to date because you didn’t get your way. Some friends are better off as just that- FRIENDS
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
I agree I think they would’ve been better off letting the ships go altogether
@Luka-st4uf
@Luka-st4uf 11 ай бұрын
Well I think that's what they esentially did. They killed off both ships by making the audience see how terrible both relationships would be. And pretty sure the writers only did it because of fan pressures and ship culture.
@1tim3_JB
@1tim3_JB 10 ай бұрын
Yes, as a kid I was a seddie fan but I didn’t care if either got together. It didn’t seem like a show where romance mattered.
@Jenny-it9iz
@Jenny-it9iz 10 ай бұрын
I felt the same when I watched as a kid, might’ve also been because I had a crush on Freddie though 🤔. I felt like there wasn’t a strong connection with either of the ships, I was just excited to see characters kissing in a show like “woah, kissing must be soo cool, I can’t wait until I’m 13.”
@md-vq8sp
@md-vq8sp 9 ай бұрын
only one I'd ship would be Sarly
@spoiledoatmilk
@spoiledoatmilk 7 ай бұрын
i cant look at sam and freddie’s first kiss the same knowing how uncomfortable jeanette was when they filmed it
@GamerGirl997
@GamerGirl997 5 ай бұрын
What did she say about it?
@TheDinkcool
@TheDinkcool 5 ай бұрын
@@GamerGirl997 It was her actual first kiss and she was understandably very uncomfortable with the though of having her first kiss be on TV with someone she didn't love.
@starlite04
@starlite04 5 ай бұрын
You can see her discomfort in her face.
@JaxNovoa509
@JaxNovoa509 4 ай бұрын
@@TheDinkcool Actually, her first kissing was in "iTwins", where she played Melanie.
@SandraAranchez
@SandraAranchez 4 ай бұрын
@@JaxNovoa509ikiss was made before itwins
@GlowstoneWolf
@GlowstoneWolf 11 ай бұрын
I was always a “seddie” fan as a kid even though it wasnt something i cared about too much. creddie has the weird undertones of it not being natural while seddie did.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
It's literally the very opposite.
@L.L.L6
@L.L.L6 11 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but what can be natural about a relationship where a guy RANDOMLY puts his eye on a girl that has insulted and damaged him in many ways?
@madeliefynana
@madeliefynana 11 ай бұрын
She has hit him and insulted him many many times... sometimes even sabotaged parts of his life Thats not a normal heathy relationship...
@miagrass
@miagrass 11 ай бұрын
​@@madeliefynanaif you look who rises her that why but at the end of day when she date him you can tell by the look in her eyes she actually understood that she finally has something good in her life like she so soft with him we saw another part of herself her real self there is saying when a girl grow up with a father she tends to look for that fatherly love or figure in relationship I guess that why only Fred she was soft and that scary little girl with him that a big deal Sam is a broken character her mother ain't shit and father ran off and the actress who play Sam did a great job by show us the Sam she show her friends vs the Sam she only show Fred their relationship was special.
@madeliefynana
@madeliefynana 11 ай бұрын
@@miagrass This is one ass long sentence with no comma's nor periods, which makes me confused what you're trying to say. It doesn't matter how you were raised, abusing is a NO. "I only mentally physically abuse you because of my upbringing" There is NO excuse for abusive behavior. Sam needs to fix herself, before she can enter any relationship
@justsomeone4397
@justsomeone4397 11 ай бұрын
I liked Sam and Freddie because it did feel more genuine. All the times Carly and Freddie dated at the start was semi forced. Carly wanted someone to dance with and Freddie was willing to give her one. Freddie saved Carly so she felt guilty and wanted to thank him the only way she knew how. For Sam, she tried to avoid it but had to face that she did. But both ships honestly don't work because of how the show worked. The jokes are always centered around violence and weird is funny. I haven't watched it in a while so I'm not sure if I'm right. That's just how I see it, it can never be healthy because the goal and humor of the show doesn't match the characters having a healthy relationship.
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
I agree every time Carly and Freddie got together it literally came out of nowhere with no development whatsoever, Sam and Freddie did feel more like a natural progression
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672how tho?? they hated each other for most of the series and Freddie randomly developing feelings for Sam when he had feelings for Carly the entire show didn’t make absolutely any sense lol
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
@@mercuriology45 Sam and Freddie felt less random because there were always hints that Sam was mean to him because she liked him, like when she walked in on Carly and him dancing and she looked sad about it, there were always hints that she liked him every time Carly reciprocated his feelings it came out of nowhere she would always just all of a sudden like him
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672 Carly grew to like him with time and didn't even look at him how she used to when he had the obsessive crush on her in the first season. They became actual best friends on equal footing as he matured and had more self-confidence including when he asked her to slow-dance. It was very feasible how Carly could fall for him. Quite unlike Sam who hated and beat him for nothing and suddenly we were forced to believe she likes him? And even after that dance scene she kept demeaning Freddie and had other boys she dated whom she never hit. All that was a forced agenda just to please the famous aggressive 'seddie fans'
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672 thats not a “hint” thats a scene. Not to mention that as i said. Freddie only liked carly for most of the show, and to the point that it was one of his traits. Him liking Sam came out of nowhere, not to mention that by your logic, Carly and freddie also made sense since they had moments like that.
@jessicawilliams3849
@jessicawilliams3849 11 ай бұрын
This show is an example of one of those times where neither relationship should have happened.
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
looking back as an adult, I completely agree.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Creddie was always better off. The problem was that they were underexplored and dragged out the one-sidedness too long just to accommodate playing the two sides for views from the "saddie" fandom as well. In the end, the likeable pairing with much more probability of working out was always Freddie and Carly.
@Simbala-bq5vy
@Simbala-bq5vy 2 ай бұрын
I agree with the original show but not with the revival.
@lilil9752
@lilil9752 11 ай бұрын
Creedie in the original show: Please no, anything but that Creddie in the revival: actually kind of cute
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Creddie was always the only right answer. Seddie themselves admitted they were WRONG.
@lilil9752
@lilil9752 11 ай бұрын
yeah but i personally never liked creddie in the original show, the revival relationship is way better and makes more sense than "main girl out of nowhere develops feelings for her simp" @@moiii_01
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@lilil9752 besides Freddie's feelings for her, they were best friends on the original and they worked great together and loved and looked out for each other so.
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
agree lol
@restingsadface
@restingsadface 11 ай бұрын
as a kid I always hated sam x freddie because sam literally always treated freddie terribly and didn’t even bother to change after they got together. the fact they chose to stay together after failing to improve doesn’t mean they’re meant to be, it just means that freddie is a meek person who’s in an abusive relationship. like i get that people don’t like carly x freddie because freddie is cringey and a big simp in the early seasons but he was like 12. and i feel like if you’re only option is originally cringey and abusive, originally cringey is the better option
@truthseeker9249
@truthseeker9249 11 ай бұрын
Say it louder for the Seddie shippers in the back!
@saggininja2686
@saggininja2686 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! I’m tired of the enemies to lovers troupe in general. There’s nothing endearing about abusing someone and treating them like crap and then dating them. If Creddie is doomed on arrival for many so should Seddie.
@tierraellerbe1802
@tierraellerbe1802 11 ай бұрын
Imma be honest I like the nostalgia of seddie but I love the growth of creddie especially in reboot and it makes sense😩🤷🏽😊
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
ur absolutely right and the people saying it felt “genuine” are straight up lying. one of Freddie’s personality traits for the series, was his crush on Carly, him randomly being like “i love sam” from one day to another was so stupid. they shouldve slowly built him getting over carly and growing closer to Sam. Seddie is one of the worst ships ever created and i hated it growing up and even as an adult watching it, it’s stupid. The problem with Creddie, is how much Freddie lets Carly play with him and Carly was never too serious on him, but i think their unhealthy relationship as teenagers was very fun for me to watch.
@Ines-zf2ku
@Ines-zf2ku 11 ай бұрын
As a person who was the biggest Seddie fan back in time, I see your point. But it still falls in the water because Carly never loved Freddie, was just using him most of the time and only dated him cuz her feelings got mixed up. If Jennette came back for the reboot Creddie wouldn't even be in picture. Now I'm aware Seddie is toxic and I don't like them half as I did as a kid, but I still hate Creddie as much as I did back then, in my opinion it's one of the worst ships ever. I agree Freddie shouldn't date Sam, but he shouldn't date Carly either.
@4to5MouseHive
@4to5MouseHive 11 ай бұрын
in my head, the weird nickelodeon logic of violence doesn't hold up, so I just kind of ignore that part when I prefer Sam and Freddie. They both clearly liked each other more and had way more chemistry. it felt like the writers just wrote them to fail just because they didn't want anyone in a relationship. in sam and cat, Sam calls Freddie the only man she's ever loved, and to me that solidifies that it was their relationship that was stronger and made more sense. in the reboot, the only reason they made Creddie endgame was because Jenette McCurdy didn't want to return (for good reason), but I would bet that if she were able to return, Seddie would make a comeback because of what Sam said in Sam and Cat. also in my opinion the kiss between Carly and Freddie made zero sense in the season finale. I did enjoy watching Carly and Freddie's relationship blossom in the revival but if Sam was able to be there, I'd prefer Seddie
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
They could’ve worked if the writers wanted them to
@4to5MouseHive
@4to5MouseHive 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672 exactly! that's what I'm saying. I agree with what you said in the video about how the show didn't really seem to want it to go either way and would poke fun at the fans
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam had no romantic chemistry. You're just forcing what isn't there because you want it to be.
@4to5MouseHive
@4to5MouseHive 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 ok? this is about creddie vs. seddie. you can say that about both
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@4to5MouseHive nope. One thing Creddie always had is compatibility, connection and chemistry as well but most people refused to see & acknowledge that because they must have been immature and too busy trying to squeeze any delusive assumption of chemistry from seddie just because of the cliche "opposites attract" thing since the characters argued and hated each other but it didn't apply to Freddie and Sam because they were a bullied and a bully literally.
@otakunovi21
@otakunovi21 11 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that Freddie dated both of them and everyone is okay with that?
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
no it’s crossed my mind too 😭
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
The plot was meant to be him and Carly even Sam said so. The writers just patronized extra service for the saddie fanbase
@beebeexn
@beebeexn 11 ай бұрын
Literally. It’s so weird to me how no one mentions that.
@abbyrose6660
@abbyrose6660 10 ай бұрын
especially given how Freddie’s relationship with both of them were integral to the show but their relationship isn’t even mentioned the following episode after both couples broke up.
@LorieLynn
@LorieLynn 6 ай бұрын
Why is that weird? It is not really uncommon for multiple friends in a group to date each other over the course of time. Sam and Freddie’s relationship didn’t really go long enough or deep enough to completely blow up what friendship they had.
@Mimiscellaneous
@Mimiscellaneous 11 ай бұрын
I’m a fan of complex relationships. But I definitely prefer a boring ship to a toxic ship. I was 100% team Creddie. Their dynamic was realistic and sweet. I just couldn’t fathom falling for someone who has repeatedly enacted physical violence against you for fun.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Well put 👏🏼 emphasis on the "realistic and sweet" unlike the case of the other pairing.
@Narra0002
@Narra0002 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. I’m disgusted that Sam and Freddie were even hinted at
@bellachewyhanselharvey
@bellachewyhanselharvey 10 ай бұрын
same here!
@Jetsparx373
@Jetsparx373 10 ай бұрын
And the weirdos who do love toxic relationships are honestly the most pitiful and pathetic people on earth. And the sadomasochists deserve to go to hell where they belong with their father.
@chicagaming4399
@chicagaming4399 9 ай бұрын
Creddie is no better tbh Carly uses him 90% of their relationships including in the reboot
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
people like the idea of Seddie more than they like Seddie itself. It came out of nowhere, not to mention you can see many times, Sam GENUINELY detested freddy at times and found him annoying. i honestly wish, they became closer and then slowly started falling for each other, wouldve been a much better development than to have Sam one random day she was in love with Freddie. Even as a couple, they were always fighting and it was terrible. I think the only realitistic thing about their relationship in the show is how incompatible they were as a couple. Also they had to take Carly as their therapist on their dates, because they needed someone to help them solve their issues. i think Creddie worked better in the new show than it did in the old show. People talk about Carly never loving Freddie, but truth to is, Freddie also used to have some school boy crush on her and followed Carly around like a puppy, which wasn’t exactly Carly’s fault, she wasn’t entitled to have feelings back for him. i like how the new show addressed that they had problems in the original show. i prefer older creddie over old creddie and seddie, frankly they were teenagers with issues.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
OMG, PREACH!!!
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 11 ай бұрын
Some of that may be true, but I think some people just should just Admit that at least back in the day sam and Freddie had more natural chemistry together than Carly and Freddie did and that’s why they were more appealing to a lot of fans 🤷
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
@@LILM-zn7uy i think chemistry or whatever you guys think is chemistry, can be more subjective than objective. i carly was one of those shows, i watched many times growing up, and as far as i knew, freddie and sam DETESTED each other. Sam being in love from one to another, with freddie, was so silly to me, and as an adult it still is.
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 11 ай бұрын
@@mercuriology45 if you watched iCarly and only got that sam only hated Freddie then you clearly didn’t fully watch it like that because it was always clear sam liked Freddie deep down it’s way they first and second kiss for that matter was much more deeper and intense than Creddies
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
@@LILM-zn7uy they disliked eo for most of the show, specially for sams part, hell even there is an episode of sam sabotaging Freddie’s entrance to a camp he wanted, and she humiliated him, when he didnt kiss anyone. i dont think “hate is the right” word to use, but they never had a proper conversation, never had interactions of actual friendship, besides like two before they started dating. Atleast carly and freddie were very good friends for most of the show, with things in common, and this is coming from someone who doesn’t even like Creddie, but prefers it over seddie
@ibechuu9695
@ibechuu9695 10 ай бұрын
Seddie was by far the most toxic relationship I've ever seen back then on live TV as a kid. Even back then it was obvious that they weren't compatible. Relationships like that in the real world often ends up in messy divorces, arguments, and assault.
@radioactive_baby
@radioactive_baby 4 ай бұрын
More toxic than Beck and Jade?
@musicaltymes
@musicaltymes 3 ай бұрын
@@radioactive_babyyes
@truthseeker9249
@truthseeker9249 2 ай бұрын
@@radioactive_baby Evenly matched. Beck and Jade were emotionally abusive as hell while Sam and Freddie's whole relationship before, during and after dating was mainly physically abusive but still emotionally abusive as well. Beck and Jade's fights would honestly remind me of some fierce and soul crushing arguments I've seen between grown married couples in real life. Like kids having to watch their parents fight. Sam just degraded Freddie every 5 minutes and then was always physically harming him. Both couples made me equally disgusted so I say they're roughly evenly matched.
@shawnbay2211
@shawnbay2211 11 ай бұрын
It’s so weird that even after a decade, the writers were still like “let’s make these ships toxic.” I think it’s kinda 💩y that the spinoff & the reboot just didn’t make it so the characters developed past these unhealthy mindsets & behaviours. Carly, Sam, & Freddy need therapy, not a relationship :/
@ruthvause3429
@ruthvause3429 11 ай бұрын
I actually feel like they developed Freddie & Carly’s relationship in a healthy way in the reboot
@ΈτσιΓουστάρω-σ6τ
@ΈτσιΓουστάρω-σ6τ 11 ай бұрын
I think Carly and Freddy's relationship is much healthier in the reboot. This time, Carly is actually attracted to Freddy and Freddy is not moping, begging for Carly's attention. They are good companions to each other, have a grounded form of attraction and give each other space. Also, I do think they've both evolved a lot as individuals in the reboot actually. Carly is not that mess of anxiety she used to be, she's more independent and resilient now. Freddy is more confident and with better communication skills than he used to be.
@bobtheball5384
@bobtheball5384 11 ай бұрын
Ngl, even tho as a kid I perferred Freddie and Sam, I think the reboot did a really good job making Carly and Freddie's relationship a lot more healthier than in the og show. Which makes sense since they're adults- which I will take over og creddie
@WAZAaAaaA_123
@WAZAaAaaA_123 11 ай бұрын
being realist in my opinion everyone needed therapy
@Solidekans84
@Solidekans84 6 ай бұрын
It's a TV show, calm down
@misshuntress821
@misshuntress821 11 ай бұрын
Creddie has such a balanced, supportive relationship now, they have moved past the previous toxicity in their childhood relationship and grown together. It transitioned quite naturally for me into a romantic one. They have similar love languages, wants & desires in a relationship, their personalities compliment each other; Freddie is that grounding force to Carly’s more flighty tendencies e.g It just works for me now that they are adults. Also even if Sam was in the revival, I don’t think Seddie would have worked mainly because their fulfilment comes from very different sources. Sam values her freedom & independence, and Freddie’s dream is to have that white picket fence life. I could see them not being able to make each other happy in the long run.
@terrance1310
@terrance1310 11 ай бұрын
I remember liking both ships as a kid when I first initially watched iCarly. And I do think Sam might've been Freddie's first wife a few years after the Sam & Cat episode and before he married Gwen, and before he took an interest in Carly again, but Sam and Freddie may have divorced after a month or two because they both drove each other crazy.
@ashtynbritt7889
@ashtynbritt7889 11 ай бұрын
This is my headcanon too.
@anishparajuli5218
@anishparajuli5218 11 ай бұрын
Personally I agree that the original writers only used the ships for Ratings boost. Both of the ships were weird and had a lot of problems. The difference feels in how the revival handles the relationship considering they actually developed Creddie way better in much less time even acknowledging how their childhood dynamic wasn't healthy.
@mummytrolls
@mummytrolls 11 ай бұрын
I never liked Seddie as a kid because of how violent Sam acted towards Freddie
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
she almost killed him multiple times!
@Paulo51297
@Paulo51297 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672 following Seddier's logic, Ted Bundy was just a misunderstood womanizer.
@truthseeker9249
@truthseeker9249 2 ай бұрын
@@Paulo51297 Oh damn, you've got a point there. See I wish Seddie shippers would get this through their thick skulls.
@shilpaambadipudi8129
@shilpaambadipudi8129 11 ай бұрын
I don't think Creddie came out of nowhere, and I don't think it's weird that it's endgame. As a Creddie shipper from the start, maybe I'm a little biased, but people grow and evolve their whole lives. Even though both kept the personality traits that made them the amazing people they are, they also changed in some ways. Carly didn't like Freddie in the original series because he wasn't the kind of guy teenage Carly went for. However, now they are both adults, and dating now is a lot different. Now, they are not dating because of their crazy teenage hormones. When adults date, most of them think about whether or not they can build a good life and future with the person they are with. Freddie has always supported Carly, regardless of how they felt about one another and Carly has tried to do the same. Adult Freddie became the kind of guy adult Carly wants, and their friendship and history actually made it easier for them to be sure.
@mercuriology45
@mercuriology45 11 ай бұрын
i think even when they were young Carly was never sure?? if she liked Freddie. She had mixed feelings for him, and that’s ok she was a teenager. But people demonize Carly, for her mistakes as a child, while trying to excuse Sam, physically and emotionally bullying Freddie…
@shilpaambadipudi8129
@shilpaambadipudi8129 11 ай бұрын
@mercuriology45 I mean, Carly and her friends were 12/13 when the original show started. They were just too young to really understand or even handle those feelings. I think that's where Sam's behavior comes from too; she couldn't understand or express her feelings properly, so she used violence. I'm not condoning it at all, just identifying where it may have come from. Sam was a bully and I personally never wanted them together. For 12/13, I think Carly and Freddie were both pretty mature. Carly was a good friend to Freddie and never actively tried to string him along. In fact, she was pretty direct about how she felt. And Freddie made it clear he was into Carly, but was never overbearing or toxic about it. He even knew her feelings after saving her life may not be genuine and let her go. Both of them were good friends with the potential to be something more, and the fact that they waited until they were mature enough it what will help them go the distance.
@itsmikki44
@itsmikki44 11 ай бұрын
literally this. freddie started off with an obsessive crush on her, literally waiting and watching through his peephole for her to get home. who would return the feelings of someone like that? it's weird and off-putting. but as the series progressed, freddie calmed down a bit and you could actually see their bond growing. carly always cared for freddie and vice versa. i recently a video that was just clips of freddie and carly's entire progression, from season 1 to season 3 of the reboot. it's such a natural slow burn best friends to lovers story that makes complete sense when you watch it all unfold like that
@1tim3_JB
@1tim3_JB 10 ай бұрын
Creddie in the remake makes sense, no one is hating on that. But in the OG it just doesn’t. I don’t like one sided relationships where one person doesn’t like someone as much as the other. There’s so many tropes and I hate the idea of someone pinning over someone who can’t see their worth.
@mailpaper7754
@mailpaper7754 3 ай бұрын
Heck there was actually buildup to them dating. After they danced at the Groovy Smoothie Carly definitely started having feelings for him, and then they fully came out in iSaved your Life but after Freddie ended it thinking they weren't real she was too nervous to do it again and lose their friendship.
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
I agree, the show definitely played into the ships while simultaneously mocking the shippers. Extremely odd move to blatantly disrespect the people watching the show when they are the reason for why some episodes hit record numbers. Idk, weird.
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
also I never expected to be dissecting Seddie and Creddie in 2023 😭
@Mmaannnnyyy
@Mmaannnnyyy 11 ай бұрын
Big brain energy: Sarly
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
Or you can say cam
@tanasiascott
@tanasiascott 11 ай бұрын
very real
@amezier_7913
@amezier_7913 11 ай бұрын
I was just about to say
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
So Sam was jealous of Freddie over Carly?... interesting
@elleanahiiii
@elleanahiiii 7 ай бұрын
fribby
@broadwaybutterfly310
@broadwaybutterfly310 11 ай бұрын
I've always hated Seddie. As a kid I never liked the "if a boy is mean to you, that means he likes you" thing the adults tried to push on me, so I never liked the idea that Sam, who was so mean to Freddie, secretly liked him. Their relationship was so toxic, too. They were together for three episodes and the three episodes were "Sam and Freddie literally cannot be alone together for 2 seconds without fighting" "Sam ruined Freddie's opportunities because Freddie didn't know the time, also she's so violent that she sends Gibby to the hospital because she can't abuse Freddie anymore" and "Sam gets Freddie kicked out of his club and tries to smuggle ham in his pants" And people looked at that and thought "omg how romantic"??? And don't get me started and Carly basically telling Freddie he can't be mad about how Sam treats him cause that's just how she is. In the end, Creddie didn't happen because Carly didn't like Freddie. Easily fixable. Seddie didn't happen cause everything about their dynamic is toxic and them kissing doesn't hide that. There was no way to make their relationship healthy without changing everything about how they interact.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Freddie didn't want Carly hurt much so that he literally saves her from being hit in an accident and got hit instead. That legit would shake anyone up including me that someone loves me that much and would tilt me to question if I would reciprocate his/her feelings. Carly wasn't 'guilty' she was moved by what he did and decided to actually give a relationship with him a shot and had second thoughts on her feelings which is still subjective, only she herself can tell of her true feelings, if she truly liked him or not then, not Sam, not Freddie! But Freddie did right to call it off and sacrifice to wait till the time was right for them, that's how much he's in love with her and not willing to take advantage of her. What was the actual forced thing in iCarly's history? SEDDIE, was and always will be. Sam hated on Freddie for years, she dated other guys on that show and never was mean to them in fact even changed herself to be girlier for them and suddenly all her abuse and unwarranted meanness to Freddie was supposed to be 'ignored' because she woke up one day and says she likes him? Freddie himself too, had to dumbed so down and his feelings made irrelevant to reciprocate his bully/abuser Sam's feelings just because?? The writers forced in that wannabe enemies to lovers narrative as fanservice so hard it was glaring. The actors' acting during that arc of episodes was so telling of how unnatural it was and had all the characters acting so OOC just to sell it. Seddie never made sense in canon, it just sounded good in theory or on paper. The problem is y'all seem to want to be 'understanding only to your idea of Sam as a character' without considering the other characters involved in this, most especially Freddie much less, Carly.
@ch1bii169
@ch1bii169 11 ай бұрын
you get it
@user-z810
@user-z810 11 ай бұрын
damn youre passionate about this lol but i completely agree
@Rjshadow11
@Rjshadow11 11 ай бұрын
I think he was better with Carly in the end. He wants stability, a family, and all the traditional things. Carly was more likely to provide that - not in the original Icarly (where she was a bit shallow and flaky) but definitely in the reboot when she grew up. Sam, on the other hand, is a traveller, very independent, and basically a walking-talking adrenaline rush. It's unlikely that that'll ever change. She would need someone who is more on her level.
@delusionalmilkshake
@delusionalmilkshake 11 ай бұрын
as someone who watched tv show while it was airing i would like to point out that there was poll on creddie vs seddie ship on icarly web site. most of the time results were pretty close with seddie always being in lead, and they did end up winning. i remember seddie always being bit more popular but that could be me cause i prefered that ship so i came across it more often.
@hrtnsoul
@hrtnsoul 11 ай бұрын
I remember this too!!!! Memory unlocked I didn’t know I had omg 😭 I would check it all the time because it was always so close but Seddie did manage to maintain the lead!
@CelestineUkoje
@CelestineUkoje 11 ай бұрын
​@@hrtnsoulThat's why the writers forced in the awful seddie saga as fanservice for the trolling fans desperate for an enemies to lovers thing but they showed the said fans of saddie that no matter how much they tried to force that fantasy plot, Freddie and Sam are just not compatible
@reyneonparade
@reyneonparade 11 ай бұрын
These ships were just poorly written and executed. Looking back, Seddie really had no development at all and never evolved past their toxic/abusive dynamic that honestly perpetuated the bully/bullied trope more than enemies-to-lovers, which is pretty problematic for a show targeted to kids. The idea of Seddie seems more interesting, in theory, just like opposites attract, love-hate, enemies-to-lovers. But honestly, Seddie was a refreshing take on why such tropes don't always lead to successful relationships. Their entering into a relationship all a sudden doesn't automatically change the fact that they’re just worlds apart from each other, resulting in them clashing and breaking up. As for Creddie, they weren’t even that bad, just underexplored hence I never cared for them as a kid but they were definitely a more compatible pairing than Seddie. I find that the revival handled relationships better. Creddie actually have a more genuine and balanced connection this time that developed naturally into a romantic one. There is a sense of trust, depth, and maturity that makes them work now, even acknowledging their unhealthy dynamic in the past. Adult Creddie have pretty much outgrown every ship in the OG (theirs included) hence using the OG as criticism for why they won’t work isn’t valid anymore. People grow up, feelings change, dynamics change…that’s just life. It’s really not that wild to me that Creddie was endgame because they actually have shared values, interests, and desires that create a good foundation for a healthy relationship. Regardless of ship preference, revival Creddie is just an objectively better relationship than both those ships in the original show.
@clarityvee
@clarityvee 11 ай бұрын
I never liked Seddie as a kid. Sam was always trying to hurt Freddie for the sake of it, and I mean HURT him, not tease him or pull small pranks. I know it may be a way of her to show affection due to her hard background, but it’s always shown as comedy and not “deep.” I think Sam may have had feelings for Freddie but I could never see him have feelings for her. I was never crazy about Creddie, either, but I liked it a lot more. I never cared about the ships much in this show anyway, though. This show was about comedy and that’s why I watched it.
@queenkitten7092
@queenkitten7092 11 ай бұрын
Can we talk about when Freddy dated Sam’s “twin sister” ?
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
felt like such a fever dream
@queenkitten7092
@queenkitten7092 11 ай бұрын
@@Tronn9672 No it really did feel so weird, especially since that character felt like a one off.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@queenkitten7092 he did not date Melanie nor did he have any feelings for her. It was Melanie who crushed on him and stole a kiss from him. He was playing along before that because he thought he would outsmart Sam thinking she was fooling him about having a twin sister.
@jackthestar1292
@jackthestar1292 11 ай бұрын
Honestly growing up, both ships kinda suck, but creddie sucks less because it’s less toxic. They’re both abusive, Seddie physical and Creddie emotional
@CelestineUkoje
@CelestineUkoje 11 ай бұрын
Creddie was always best of the 2
@kristymichel792
@kristymichel792 4 ай бұрын
I see that Creddie was a little bit off too I agree but they are the couple of the kids I Carly show and the grown up I Carly show and so much better now I’ve always loved Carly and Freddie from day one and I still do but Sam and Freddie no way and no thank you because seddie was totally out of line and makes zero sense
@benprice9917
@benprice9917 11 ай бұрын
I think I really like the idea of Seddie more than Creddie. One thing because it subverts expectations as you expect the leading female to get with the leading male, and also it would be a great enemies to friends to lovers story and I like the romantic idea that Freddie's feelings for Carly where just a boyish crush and he found something more in the girl that was always next to her and thought they detested each other but in fact realise they liked each other. Though it didn't happen in the show it would have been nice, I'd have liked if they kept the making fun of each other but got rid of the violence part, though I don't think the writers really wanted anyone in a relationship which is fair it's their show but I think they passed up an opportunity for a really good storyline.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Because it just wasn't meant to be. The characters were not compatible to have worked despite having a chance to. There's no need to force it further.
@ohifonlyx33
@ohifonlyx33 11 ай бұрын
We didn't have cable as a kid, so I only knew a little bit about iCarly. But whenever I watched it, I thought Creddie was kinda cute by default (I don't begrudge a ship for being a little vanilla), but I was disappointed Carly didn't like Freddie as much as he liked her so I didn't think it would happen. And when I heard they kissed, despite not knowing much about the show, I still was happy for them. Seeing them in the revival was really REALLY heartwarming because Carly finally explored her genuine feelings and gave Freddie an honest chance... and we've never seen her more in love. They became childhood friends-to-lovers and it's actually so sweet because Freddie loved her since he was like 10 and they've always supported each other and now the timing is finally right. With Seddie, my default reaction is to hate the idea for the usual (toxic) reasons. I even remember being confused when I saw that Sam and Freddie kissed because I thought they hated each other. Now as an adult, when I try to understand the appeal, I can see why people may have wanted them to work in an enemies-to-lovers, Good Guy Fixes Broken Girl, opposites-attract kind of way. But I don't think that's how they were written. They have a good rapport when they bicker on screen, but ultimately they're just not built for that kind of relationship to become romantic. For one thing, Freddie doesn't actually enjoy conflict and he wants to be supported not berated. For another thing, Sam never respected Freddie or let herself grow into a person who could be good for more than 10 minutes (because of the writers tho).
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Truth!!! People refuse to see this because they're still hell-bent on squeezing and forcing out the delusion of enemies to lovers thingy between these 2 characters and it's pathetic. Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, it's just pure assumption theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@julialovato1254
@julialovato1254 11 ай бұрын
When i watched the show as a kid i hated both ships, i was little and i didn't like couples, i wanted all of them to be friends. But then i watched more and more, and somehow i started to ship Creddie. I liked them a lot and didn't like Seddie, for me they was toxic. I'm so happy that they finally made Carly and Freddie together in the reunion ❤
@Candela115
@Candela115 11 ай бұрын
As a kid I was way more into Seddie because I was a sucker for a enemies to lovers trope, but now looking back I don't think either of them were good. Carly didn't have real feelings for him in the original show, she just had a close friendship with him and Sam might have had real feelings for him, but she didn't respect him
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, you're just assuming this whole theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@abbyrose6660
@abbyrose6660 10 ай бұрын
seddie will always have a special place in my heart because it was the first ship I really remember shipping but growing up I do realise how toxic it was that Sam was so abusive to him. but you’ll never catch me shipping creddie because it’s just so… meh to me. I did hate how the later seasons became focused on the love triangle that was left unresolved and felt so forced. but this is a dan schneider show we’re talking about and they don’t really have many relationships that feel organic. it is a bit ironic though that both Carly and Sam were why their relationships with Freddie ended in the original series, with Sam saying Carly only loved Freddie because he saved her life while Carly indirectly made them realise they were forcing their relationship. And shippers on both sides need to acknowledge that both pairings only originally got together out of fan service. Neither had any build up and were barely acknowledged again after they ended despite their significance to the series which has always annoyed me.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. It's just assuming this whole theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@kayziofficial
@kayziofficial 11 ай бұрын
Completely off topic, but Sam’s outfit when she kisses Freddy at the school is so cute
@Kristianalexis1
@Kristianalexis1 10 ай бұрын
Right? I always thought so
@boobabyboo2
@boobabyboo2 11 ай бұрын
I liked Sam and Freddie when they were teenagers and I like Carly and Freddie now that they are adults
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Maturing is realizing that Freddie and Carly were the actual true & right ship istg.
@saffyesperas2278
@saffyesperas2278 9 ай бұрын
Creddie is better in the reboot because it matured over the years and that they been through a lot together and it would be the start of a deeper and healthier relationship with each other. I can see the point of this relationship. I can ship it in the reboot than the original series. Seddie was better in Sam and Cat because Sam is less abusive towards Freddie and this is a start for them to be in a healthy relationship as well as deepen their connection. I can see the point of this relationship too. I support this ship in this series as well. Seddie was not cannon in the reboot because Jennette McCurdy did not want to come back to the show and how she was forced into acting by her mom which was traumatic for her and she is healing and working on herself. That is why the reboot show gave us Creddie. They made a nice nod to Sam in Season 1 of the reboot though.
@Ash-ou3cu
@Ash-ou3cu 8 ай бұрын
Forget Creddie. The real closure I needed was what happened to Spencer and Carly's mom. Yes, it was explained in the reboot that their mom divorced their dad and abandoned them as children, but why? Why did she divorce their dad? I wanted to hear her side of the story! We don't even know what she looks like. Honesty I am so pissed.
@Simbala-bq5vy
@Simbala-bq5vy 2 ай бұрын
True. I can imagine that Carlys mom would be played by Courtney Cox
@sjmhadsock4586
@sjmhadsock4586 11 ай бұрын
Yep fun fact istart a fan war was made to address this exact thing
@zan3zan344
@zan3zan344 11 ай бұрын
if sam didn't change freddie's answers, his life would be wayyyy different probably
@cranberryrosebud
@cranberryrosebud 11 ай бұрын
I’ve never watched iCarly myself (didn’t grow up watching Nick), but the whole apparent failure on the writers’ part to explore either ship in a satisfying way really reminds me of Lucaya and Rucas from Girl Meets World. Fans got really intense about both of those ships, too, and the writers of GMW definitely knew how popular they were, but they seriously ruined both arcs by dragging on the triangle too long (and ruining Maya’s character through it, which was just BS). Neither ship really got a satisfying run, to the point where it seems like even the actors playing the 3 respective characters were over it by the end - and when Rucas got together, their relationship wasn’t even really taken seriously by the writers, so there’s not much incentive to care by the time they officially become boyfriend and girlfriend. Just wasted opportunities all round.
@nickgadson266
@nickgadson266 11 ай бұрын
While it is fine to ship Sam and Freddie out of context, people need to grasp the fact that they DO NOT WORK AS A COUPLE. They have absolutely zero compatibility and they fought over every little thing when they dated. Yet people continue saying that they should have become endgame as if their minds were completely turned off fangirling over their romantic affection.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!!
@carolinagavilan3620
@carolinagavilan3620 10 ай бұрын
I used to ship them when I was 13, but when they got together I hated it😢
@BatgirlStan
@BatgirlStan 7 ай бұрын
Or maybe people just have different opinions??
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 10 ай бұрын
Its clear from the Revival that Carly and Freddie really do fit well together after that one episode of them being together in the OG show. Sam and him together just couldn't work because of how abusive she was to him and also never showed a hint to liking him until the confession episode. Maybe if they had her have a secret crush on him from the beginning and thats why she picked on him (while also toning down her abusive nature), I could've bought them being together.
@Anna-B
@Anna-B 11 ай бұрын
I never understood seddy shippers. Sam literally bullied Freddy
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
Carly never wanted Freddie! She loved what he did not him!
@Anna-B
@Anna-B 11 ай бұрын
@@RomaroBrandon ok? Whether or not Creddy would work has nothing to do with whether or not Seddy would work. She was a bully to Freddy, and it would have been bad long term
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
@@Anna-B that literally makes no sense regarding what I just said. But, you're probably wrong because Jade and Beck have been together on and off for about 4 years and the main reason they had trouble in their relationship was because of Jade's insecurities around women other people find attractive, including Beck. Sam and Freddie's mistake was relying on Carly to point out the obvious problem in whatever they were fighting about instead of trying to communicate without shouting at each other.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@RomaroBrandon SO WHY DIDN'T THEY HANDLE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS IF THEY'RE SO 'MEANT TO BE'?? LEAVE CARLY OUT OF IT! She did nothing but try to help that disaster of a seddie pairing which was already a trainwreck in waiting!
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 calm the fuck down! I never said they were meant to be, in fact Freddie should have ended up with Melody since she's the only person who actually liked him as more than a friend. Unlike Carly who only dated him because he saved her life! She never loved Freddie!!! Get that through your fucking head and remember she used to ask him to do things for her in order to impress another guy, like the time she asked him to help Jake with his singing so he sounds good when preforming a song for his grandmother in hopes that she can date him. Sam's and Freddie's relationship was at least real. After all, Sam was the one who fell in love first and she kissed Freddie!
@astrolothot182
@astrolothot182 11 ай бұрын
i shipped seddie as a kid because it was the more interesting ship, but as an adult i have gained the opinion that both ships were gross
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
lol gross? why’d you think they were gross?
@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123
@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123 5 ай бұрын
one is abusive (seddie) and the other is the guy wearing the girl down (creddie) so i think i agree with youuu
@lilstich8402
@lilstich8402 29 күн бұрын
@@Tronn9672 im not agreeing with OP but I could see why. All three were best friends & sometimes best friends who end up together is kinda weird.
@kaylesalad
@kaylesalad 11 ай бұрын
as a kid i always felt like creddie felt forced, and it still felt that way to me for the reboot show
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Forced HOW?? Two close good friends catching feelings for each other especially with a background history that one of them had romantic feelings for the other and there had been instances suggestive that the other could return those feelings? Compared to two characters who barely could stand each other, one of them reasonably so because the other would make them miserable and bully them mentally and physically for no reason and suddenly with no build up to actual friendship, it was shoehorned in that they are suddenly 'in love' and awkwardly cringey and kissy with each other for 3 episodes, argued pettily almost 24/7 with only measure of reconciliation as 'kissing' which thereafter their ultimate break up, they went back to default of hating each other??? I need you to be straightforward not confusing the possible fantasies of what you felt should have happened and what actually happened in canon of the show..which of these 2 scenarios is the forced one?
@user-z810
@user-z810 11 ай бұрын
if anything, seddie was forced and kinda random lol
@ladansemakabre
@ladansemakabre 10 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 damn how old are you? you're defending creddie in every comment like your life depends on it lmaoooo it's fiction calm down
@kokoro7996
@kokoro7996 11 ай бұрын
Even though I was an overall Creddie shipper as a kid, the Seddie arc was my favorite.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
Huh?😂
@kokoro7996
@kokoro7996 11 ай бұрын
What I mean is, even though Creddie was my favorite ship, my favorite arc of the show was the ‘Seddie arc.’ Guess I was a sucker for enemies to lovers even back then.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@kokoro7996 the seddie arc was literally horrible. It could never justify the hyped enemies to lovers claim even. Just watch it again and you'd see what I mean.
@kokoro7996
@kokoro7996 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 I think to me, it’s one of those cases where I like it in fiction, but would never be for it in real life.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@kokoro7996 even in fiction, Freddie and Sam themselves acknowledged it was a mistake...
@jadefeydit1572
@jadefeydit1572 11 ай бұрын
Firstly, I do have to say Creddie was the most popular amongst casual viewers and Seddie was the most popular amongst the iCarly fandom, winning polls and being very vocal about everything. As someone who was in the iCarly fandom since season 2 and literally has seen everything from the original series, I can guarantee you iSaved Your Life was only popular because they teased not only Creddie, for the casual viewers, but Seddie with the "How will Sam react?". I remember me and my gc at the time were very hyped about the episode and we were Seddie shippers lmao. (I watched your Victorious video as well and there is the same regarding Bori and Bade even tho i have to actually meet someone who shipped Bori lmao) That being said, I do have a feeling the writers intended for Seddie since the beginning and I could do a list of things that proves it, like color theory in media, but they did not know how to handle the characters with enough care to make it canon in a satisfying way and, at the time, they probably regreted teasing both ships and just destroyed any possiblity for any of them not really growing the characters in any sort of way. Nowadays, I honestly think Sam is fruity in some way and Freddie was her scapegoat for everything she felt in high school like anger, frustration and love. Freddie IS the only man Sam have ever loved and probably the only one she ever will. They did not know how to handle Sam so they made her be 24/7 just food and violence and, everytime there was a hint of an actual development, it was swept under the carpet. And Seddie went with it. I honestly think is very ooc of season 4's Sam to do that to Freddie's application even before they started dating and tbh, even as a Seddie shipper, everything about their relationship in that 5 episodes arc was ooc for them. Like you said: they wanted it to go bad. For Creddie, tbh, I've always hated it. It's so boring. And I definitely was one of the people that iStart a Fan War described lol. But they could be a good couple given actual development in the og series and I'd be okay with that. And i do think that in the new series, even if Sam was in the picture, Carly and Freddie make the most sense as they actually have the development they should've had in the original one and, thinking about everything Sam was and probably still is, she would never fit the lifestyle Freddie wants being a divorced parent as Carly does and I'm glad both Freddie and Carly got the development they deserved in the new series. Alas, it's still very clear for me the original series was intended to have Seddie endgame and the reboot one to have Creddie. Dan Schneider always liked the enemies to lovers trope and played with that a lot in his other shows and he did it well in every single one of them except iCarly and Victorious. I wish he wasn't such a shitty person, it probably would't reflect so much in these shows
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 10 ай бұрын
Everything you said is exactly correct that was very clear since season one seddie was the likely endgame and only people who refuse to accept that are casual viewers who did not truly understand the characters or the type of show iCarly was and i 100% agreed Creddie is so much better in the revival makes so much more sense in the revival because it has much better writing
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, it's just pure assumption of this whole theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 10 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 nobody is going to read that entire paragraph lol some people just prefer Sam and Freddie together, because they like the chemistry and dynamic, better and you should just accept it instead of trying to force people to like Carly and Freddie together
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
@@LILM-zn7uy was I talking to you? LMAOOO, I'm not actually surprised how you can't get that tho. The voices in the heads of y'all are alike and pretty loud 💀
@jadefeydit1572
@jadefeydit1572 10 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 please, read again what I said. This time actually understand it
@Sah-cr5uu
@Sah-cr5uu 10 ай бұрын
Sam never grew up in a healthy home, nor did Freddie. They were always opposites, but complemented each other. Sam grew up with distant parents who never took care of her, Freddie grew up with an overprotective mother who never let him do what he wanted. They even liked similar things like MMA and technology. Sam was violent with Freddie because she liked him, does that mean she was right? No, but she didn't know how else to do it. Even so, she has improved a lot in latest seasons, including defending nerds from bullies and they (Sam and Freddie) stopped hurting each other. If the writers had done something besides the violent jokes, and I blame Dan Schn**** a lot for that, they would be one of Nick's best couples. In the latest season of the show they were so cute and a lot more healthy, but yk... it was the latest season. Carly and Freddie were always better as friends, Carly always only paid attention to Freddie (and this also happened in the Revival) when he already had someone. Freddie was always Carly's last option. Yes, Seddie is a problematic ship in many different ways, but Creddie was never healthy either. Carly manipulated Freddie to get what she wanted, "please, for me." Freddie spied on Carly through the door like a stalker and purposely scared many of Carly's love interests. Carly said they were just friends, but then she kissed him and gave him hope. None of these ships really work, due to the writers' fault, but at least one of them is interesting and not boring. No character or ship on iCarly is healthy because the show was not written to be healthy. And I think it's very bad of the cast to have agreed to do the series when the actress of the most famous character didn't accept because of trauma. Without Sam, it's not iCarly.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, you're just assuming this whole theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@BatgirlStan
@BatgirlStan 7 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01Crazy to be this upset over someone liking a ship from a kids show
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 7 ай бұрын
@@BatgirlStan it's an analysis in response to op's, how did that fly over your head exactly?
@LilyLewis771
@LilyLewis771 6 ай бұрын
I hated Creddie growing up (and still do tbh) because of just how creepy/clingy Freddie came off, especially in earlier seasons. He didn’t just have unrequited feelings, he constantly shoved it in Carly’s face, forcing her to go through the awkwardness of acknowledging his feelings and rejecting him over and over again, trying to wear her down/guilt trip her into a date. I went through similar stuff with guys I thought I was friends with in middle school and high school and it was so annoying and awful to be ‘girlfriend-zoned’ like that. Sam/Freddie on the other hand took me completely by surprise, I’d never seen an “enemies to lovers” type of relationship dynamic before and I found it super interesting but I think it’s just because I’d never seen a similar idea, not because I would have shipped it on my own without the show making it happen. The Sam/Freddie first kiss was a really genuine moment of vulnerability. Personally I don’t know if I see Sam/Freddie as being ‘abusive’- Sam’s violence is played as a joke in the show, and people do still consider her a friend and like her and Carly also reinforces the idea that Sam is actually a good person. Obviously if these were real people it would be a completely different situation, but in the show I don’t think we’re meant to see it as abusive. But Carly/Freddie obviously had to be the focus of the reboot since Jeanette wasn’t in the show. Overall I don’t think they should have gone for either ship. Neither relationship was really compelling and they could have just had the three of them developing a strong friendship rather than having jealousy and competition.
@starrsmith3810
@starrsmith3810 11 ай бұрын
I liked Seddie as a kid…..as an adult I think they had ZERO good reason for having Freddie date someone who treated him like shit on a regular basis and was essentially a bully to him.
@Paulo51297
@Paulo51297 11 ай бұрын
When I was a kid, I never could decide which ship I like (I never cared about their dating lives anyway). Now as an adult, I can tell that was because both ships suck. Creddie sucks because it's impossible to get yourself out of such a deep friend zone Freddie was in. Carly could never see kid Freddie as someone more than a good friend. Which never stopped her from using his crush on her in her interests. And Freddie was an annoying stalker. Yes, Freddie managed to make Carly his girlfriend in reboot, but it happened only after they became proper friends. And if Pearl didn't think Freddie and Carly were in love and took something like Freddie 101 from Carly instead, Creddie as an adult couple would never happen. Seddie sucks because it was completely unexpected. Sam and Freddie weren't even friends. They never happened to appreciate each other as a friend. The most common thing they've ever done was bickering and fighting. And let's be honest, it is normal to bully a boy you have a crush on when you're a kindergartener, but it's really weird when you are sixteen. And it's even more weird to reciprocate a feeling from a girl who has a crush on you, when the only thing you knew from her was bullying and humiliation. But Creddie as adults is still amazing. It's about trust, appreciation and complete harmony. She knows the real Freddie and loves him for him. And he knows the real Carly and loves her for her.
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Assuming most of the audience has actually matured, this shouldn't even be a debate any longer.. Creddie wasn't perfect but they were the right natural answer since the beginning that never played out forcd or done to pander some fanservice fantasy
@Moon-lg4qs
@Moon-lg4qs 11 ай бұрын
I used to love Sam and Freddie😭😭 makes sense considering I’m a sucker for enemies to lovers🥹 but yeah they were toxic
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
The enemies to lovers never say well with that pair. Freddie and Sam are an insult to that trope
@karmAnonymous
@karmAnonymous 10 ай бұрын
I never shipped either during the original run. I got used to Seddie because.... Well..... I had no choice 😂 I did, however, really enjoy the reboot! They did an amazing job (in my UN-professional opinion 😂) with the slow burn. It felt natural under the circumstances of the history of their relationship on the original show. I am happy with where they went with them & adore the blended family they have💖✨
@robertsixx775
@robertsixx775 Ай бұрын
I know this video is super old at this point, but I agree with Nathan Kress as in an interview by Anthony Padilla(yes really) Nathan got asked who he thought Freddie would be with/marry out of Sam and Carly, he said "I think Freddie would move on and find a normal nerdy girl" which I completely agree with.
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 11 ай бұрын
Im my opinion At least in the OG series despite the arguing sam and Freddie just had way more chemistry then Carly and Freddie and that’s why more fans shipped them together back then
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
That's not chemistry. It's simply fans obsessed with the faze to see any 2 characters that are opposites and hate each other end up kissing and forcefully fathom some kinda delusioned tension there that's non-existent. Freddie had chemistry and importantly compatibility with Carly since the beginning, most especially when they were teens.
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 Freddie chasing Carly around like a puppy is not chemistry or compatibility lol creddie didn’t have any real chemistry until the revival. Let’s just be honest about that
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@LILM-zn7uy if YOU were being honest, you'd see that once Freddie got less obsessive over his feelings for Carly, and the matured as teens, they has a strong bestfriendship & got along well, having each other's backs and had good chemistry and compatibility..it was also hinted at Carly possibly reciprocating his feelings severally. Much unlike the case of the pairing between Freddie and Sam which was quite fanserviced and forcedly unnatural.
@LILM-zn7uy
@LILM-zn7uy 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01 Carly and Freddie absolutely did have a great friendship. I admit that, but romantically they were not interesting, or compelling until the revival that’s when the writers figured out how to write them but in the OG series sam and Freddie were way more compelling and that’s why they were the more popular ship at the time
@Simbala-bq5vy
@Simbala-bq5vy 2 ай бұрын
​@@LILM-zn7uyTHIS! As an hardcore Creddie shipped I totally agree. Freddie chasing Carly like a puppy feels weird and Carly liking Freddie because he saved her life feels well not forced but to fast. But thankfully the revival fixed all of that
@Ummmmhello
@Ummmmhello 11 ай бұрын
I think the Web o con shipping episode wasn’t AS bad of a dig at the fans as it came across. Remember, those shippers were shipping REAL people, and we, as viewers, are shipping fictional characters.
@alexisb3829
@alexisb3829 7 ай бұрын
Creddie always felt so gross and unnatural for some reason
@nanakimwinchester
@nanakimwinchester 11 ай бұрын
I personally think that none of them were good to be with Freddie. Sam was mean to him all the time and Carly simply didn't like him in a romantic way. Both relationships seemed very forced.
@renatang2993
@renatang2993 10 ай бұрын
children shows normalising dating your best friend’s ex 🎉🎉
@qur1578
@qur1578 11 ай бұрын
Growing up i preferred Seddie just because i liked Sam more than Carly but rewatching as an adult neither ship is good. Sam was abusive and I was never convinced Carly actually had any romantic feelings for Freddie. Honestly Nickelodeon just sucka at building good relationships in general, Disney had them beat in that department and Disney wasn't even all that good at it either.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, you're just assuming this whole theory with the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@sugaoka
@sugaoka 6 ай бұрын
I was a HUGE fan of icarly and a die-hard seddie shipper so i used to rewatch the seddie episodes all the time. looking back the plot of these episodes are so ridiculously random LMAO i cant believe i noticed as a kiddo
@sugaoka
@sugaoka 6 ай бұрын
the writers: how should we insert an episode where carly finds out and confronts seddie abt their kiss? oh i know, spencer should teach art to inmates who creates gigantic pants to escape in then holds the three hostage
@rosestar1324
@rosestar1324 11 ай бұрын
Lmaoo Sam looks so creepy just staring into the void while kissing Freddie in the opening seconds of the video. It's kinda creepy to have your eyes open while making out with someone imo
@isaacogunmuko3947
@isaacogunmuko3947 6 ай бұрын
Creddie became the official ship during the iCarly Revival.
@shayduncan7328
@shayduncan7328 3 ай бұрын
When this show was on I shipped Creddie, but now looking at both of these ships from a different perspective, I think Freddie deserved better than Carly or Sam, because both of them are toxic but in different ways: Sam was extremely physically and emotionally abusive towards him. Carly knew Freddie liked her, took advantage of him, because of it.
@Dark-Wolf27
@Dark-Wolf27 Ай бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. They took him for granted. What always bugged me more is how Carly just allowed Sam to bully Freddy. Like I remember their being times that we just hear Freddy screaming in pain and Carly just stands there and just listens to the screams. Rarely steps in or even call Spence or Freddy’s mom to help just stands their then says something like “Sam don’t do that”
@shayduncan7328
@shayduncan7328 Ай бұрын
@@Dark-Wolf27 God bless you
@yohanedescends4683
@yohanedescends4683 11 ай бұрын
they're both terrible. creddie was one-sided in the original and no matter how much she tried, carly didnt like freddie romantically whereas sam was just toxic and abusive toward freddie and it didnt change much after they dated. i will say that as a kid i preferred seddie since it didnt feel one-sided
@niera-la-moon
@niera-la-moon 5 ай бұрын
Growing up, it was reassuring to me that even in spite of romantic feelings, you could still be friends. I always considered romantic feelings to be feelings that one was personally accountable of - no one owes you reciprocation just because you feel a way. So seeing Freddie and Carly as friends to me was heartwarming, because Freddie while vocal with his feelings still respected Carly and their friendship. Seeing that emotional openness and respect of boundaries was really important to me growing up. When they got shipped, I saw it coming, but it wasn’t a highlight of the show for me. I really liked how it was just a thing that happened and then they both moved on. Reboot is obvs different but they’re adults now and things happen/change!
@user-z810
@user-z810 11 ай бұрын
i actually really liked creddie in the reboot, but for the original i didnt really ship anyone tbh lol
@user-z810
@user-z810 11 ай бұрын
i feel like people just like enemies to lovers, but seddie was kinda unenjoyable imo
@CelestineUkoje
@CelestineUkoje 11 ай бұрын
​@@user-z810they only shipped seddie for that theory reason but it wasn't true in canon
@nicoletravis8702
@nicoletravis8702 9 ай бұрын
What she says: I'm fine. What she means: In the iCarly special 'isavedyourlife', Sam sabotaged Carly and Freddies relationship by getting into Freddies head and convincing him that Carly was confused and didn't really care for him. (Which was proven false by Carlys obvious upset during Sam and Freddies relationship and in the finale when Carly kissed Freddie goodbye.) Carly and Sam discussed her first kiss with Freddie right after it happened so Sam had to have known that Carly did really care for him. Sam betrayed Carly by tricking Freddie into breaking up with her and then dating him herself. (Which Carly allowed because she wanted her friends to be happy) so all in all; Sam was the worst friend and totally selfish, not to mention literally ABUSED Freddie before and during their relationship and Creddie was way healthier and should have been Endgame.
@tierraellerbe1802
@tierraellerbe1802 11 ай бұрын
Btw idk if u are looking for more series to cover but degrassi should be one of them if u heard or watched it before but love ur vids 😊😩
@joshz2491
@joshz2491 19 күн бұрын
I was always very impressed with how much effort the revival put into balancing out Carly's feelings. It wasn't just a little thing either, they make it pretty clear that she has thought about a romantic relationship with Freddie regularly in the years since the original show ended, but never acted on it for fear of losing the friendship. This is really clear in her confession where she looks terrified as she waits for Freddie to respond. Ultimately I think even the original show has enough breadcrumbs that Carly liked Freddie. He was pretty intense from the start and she kept him around. They are both dorks and I always thought that their chemistry was stronger. Seddie just felt like Dan was trying to force something that never needed to be a thing in the first place, but knowing his history I'm not surprised that he would romanticize a perpetually abusive relationship.
@mackenziegall9
@mackenziegall9 11 ай бұрын
I always shipped Seddie! They had more chemistry and opposites attract.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
That's a lie. And don't ruin that generic with this pair because it justifies nothing. There's such a thing as being TOO DIFFERENT and that's exactly what Freddie and Sam were + an abusive factor and that's why despite having a fair chance to date, they never worked out. Face it.
@realestsienna
@realestsienna 11 ай бұрын
@@moiii_01look i agree but you’re being way too passionate bout these fictional ships lmao. it’s not that serious to be under every comment saying your opinion.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
@@realestsienna I had some free time lol. And besides, these theories of "supposed baseless 'chemistry' people like forcing in following the cliche of opposites attract" used to excuse a toxic pairing of characters on a show in comparison to another obviously healthier one with actual romantic chemistry and compatibility is STALE and sickening.
@Bendy7195
@Bendy7195 4 ай бұрын
Seddie is always gonna be my favorite ship. They clearly liked each other. Even after they broke up, it's hinted that they still like each other.
@JaxNovoa509
@JaxNovoa509 4 ай бұрын
Even though they constantly bickered for stupid reasons.
@tevineleven11
@tevineleven11 7 ай бұрын
I never liked any of the ships TBH, but ESPECIALLY didn't care much for Sam and Freddie. It feels like an extreme version of "if she picks on you, that means she likes you"...really shows the toxicity of the sort of things
@JaxNovoa509
@JaxNovoa509 6 ай бұрын
Same. Seddie is so overrated.
@lexussykes
@lexussykes 11 ай бұрын
They both can be too jealous and kniving Sams jealousy flared when She told Freddie she only liked him because he saved her life I know it would piss me off if someone I was dating said that the way he did her jealousy translated to his doubt about his dream girl liking him back, ever since Freddie and Carly never stood a chance you like or love someone you want them to have what they wanted I mean she evesdropped to find out he never kissed anyone she didn't interrupt or anything which is alright I guess. As far as Seddie goes, I don't think the beginning Sam liked freddie at all. Then that date she said something that had me like wow she was seeing him halfway dead thinking he was kinda cute, sam was projecting. Worse than that she bought a taco from that truck, what was it a Thank You, so many places she could have gone and she chose to eat from and pay money toward the truck that dang nearly killed the guy she called herself liking or loving. Love is selfless but what sam done was exponentially worse! I guess by the Freddie shipments for freddies sake I say Creddie. Because it wasnt a consulation prize anything carly you choosing freddie last to date was a consolation prize, he liked being your friend too. He really did, to just kiss him for closure was false because it wasn't that one kiss. There were so many instances. Maybe kissing him you discovered you liked it, but come on you say its closure. Neville was an incel, but freddie he loved you and he would have done anything for you. He treated you like a princess the longest time, he didn't deserve that!
@iforgotmyrealname420
@iforgotmyrealname420 10 ай бұрын
I hated this show growing up... So why am i watching KZbin videos about the shipping 😂😂
@MarjorieShipopa
@MarjorieShipopa 4 ай бұрын
I love Creddie the most sam was too mean to Freddie.Creddie is stronger in icarly reboot
@MarjorieShipopa
@MarjorieShipopa 4 ай бұрын
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@meowcraft2403
@meowcraft2403 11 ай бұрын
Not about the ships but if paramount thought they completed what they set up creddie why leave on we were about to meet their mom? And as for the ships, i was a creddie shipt since I didn’t think Seddie was a healthy relationship how abusive Sam treated Freddie
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
It should have been Seddie because in the world of television and movies, the two people who hate each other the most always end up together. Also Carly was the main protagonist not Freddie so there's no reason for them to end up together, because if it was about Freddie you could argue that's the girl of his dreams and stuff like that but Carly should be someone other than her best guy friend. Raven didn't end up with Eddie, Miley didn't end up with Oliver, and sure Lizzie ended up with Gordo but they have been best friends since they were kids and they secretly liked each other anyways so it's different. Freddie has probably only been crushing on Carly since 6th grade and even if it was longer she never showed interest and the only time she did was when he saved her life.
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
But carly dated so many guys in both the original show and the revival show and she had very short relationships with all those guys she dated but what she didn't realize was that her soulmate was standing in front of her the entire time who is freddie of course
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
@@tonymartinez5567 most of those guys Carly dated lasted one episode. In fact the only one I know that didn't was Griffin, everyone else was a one off. If Dan Schneider focused on Carly and Freddie throughout the original series instead of one episode where it was made clear by Freddie (who at that point was more or less over Carly) that she only loved him because he saved her life, or if after getting her heart broken he confronted her like he did in that Sadie's Hawkins dance then maybe I'd think they were a perfect match and be happy they get together in the revival, even though that took awhile and they're 20 something. It works better when it's teenagers.
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
@@RomaroBrandon what do you mean carly and freddie shouldn't be together because carly is the main protagonist like that doesn't make any sense at all
@RomaroBrandon
@RomaroBrandon 11 ай бұрын
@@tonymartinez5567 how are you just now asking me that? Also I already explained it in the original post. Read the whole thing.
@tonymartinez5567
@tonymartinez5567 11 ай бұрын
@@RomaroBrandon I already did but just because she's the main protagonist that doesn't mean her and freddie can't be together because I watched so many movies and tv shows where the female main protagonist and her male best friend end up together
@lookingstunning
@lookingstunning 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the writers stuff with the kids' romances always felt so mean spirited. I would have preferred they never did it at all because they were so mean and condescending about these kids having feelings! It was uncomfortable. If I was gonna ship either I'd want it to be fun and they did NOT let it be fun for us
@mailpaper7754
@mailpaper7754 3 ай бұрын
Growing up I always preferred them not dating, but if there had to be that relationship Carly and Freddie is the only good option. Freddie started off desperate as hell and Carly wasn't into that, but over time they got closer and closer and she fell in love with the man that Freddie became, heck all the way back in season 2 they built up the relationship pretty well, after their dance at Groovy Smoothie I have a feeling that's when she started having feelings for him and it never blossomed till iSaved your Life, but then when he broke it off thinking her feelings weren't real she was too scared to go for it again, and Sam and Freddie was nothing but forced as hell. They've had close conversations before but for the entire show even after they dated Sam tortured this poor boy. You could make the argument that under all of that she had feelings for him, but 1 those feelings where never shown and built up, and there is no way in hell you can tell me Freddie had feelings for Sam.
@gormaline1024
@gormaline1024 5 ай бұрын
It's weird seeing a compilation of all the kisses at the end. Makes me dislike how Freddie kind of dates, kind of not dates both of them. A guy being really hesitant and not super invested in either of them. Will date a girl and then catch feels for her best friend over and over. What's the timeline? He pines for Carly, dates Carly and they break up, kisses and dates sam, they break up, he kisses Carly at the end of iCarly, he tells Sam they might get back together in Sam and cat, thinks he's gonna get back together with Carly in Italy... doesn't, years later dates and married Carly? My head cannon is sam was pissed at the boomerang, half in half out, love triangle and stopped being friends with both of them.
@alvafairchild13
@alvafairchild13 10 ай бұрын
And then for some reason they started hinting towards creddie at the end of season two well duh kid grew an extra foot taller!
@bellachewyhanselharvey
@bellachewyhanselharvey 10 ай бұрын
I'm still mad they didnt made Creddie real or at least made the relastiop grow in the original series. MY CHILDHOOD NEEDED THAT.
@Simbala-bq5vy
@Simbala-bq5vy 2 ай бұрын
Atleast they are in the revival
@imle9279
@imle9279 6 ай бұрын
I like the Seddie ship more, because it happened without anything dramatic happened beforehand. Like how Carly didn't have a date, or when freddie saved her life. And maybe, just maybe, I like it more because I see myself in Sam, a person who doesn't know how to act in certain situations and chooses the easiest emotion to show, anger. idk, it just feels more genuine, and low key? I believe the reason why the Creddie episode is the most aired episode is because we only have ONE episode of them being romantic, while we have 5 of Seddie. So the fandom could rewatch all the five episodes in one go, multiple times, just like how the Creddie episode got many views, but instead they could watch multiple episodes, so they didn't have to rewatch the same exact video over and over. But the viewer count is more evenly spread out on the 5 seddie episodes. Just a guess, I don't know the numbers
@christyguichard8013
@christyguichard8013 7 ай бұрын
Imagine if it was two guy best friends and a girl that was passed around the both of them, that wouldn’t seem as cute but it’s basically why either ship happens because Freddie is just there so if the girls can’t get a hotter boy then they just get Freddie interested in them to make them feel better and then will be over him if a better option comes along I would believe the relationships more if they lasted and no other romantic interests were good enough and they’d just turn all other boys down because they’re in love with Freddie
@ShannonBaldwin-d5k
@ShannonBaldwin-d5k 11 ай бұрын
I was never a fan of seddie. It didn't make sense to me and I didn't like their dynamic. It was clear they were compatible. I loved creddie in the og and then even more so in the revival. They just fit.
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
*were not compatible. And yes, I agree 👏🏼
@aynsleyyost5168
@aynsleyyost5168 11 ай бұрын
OK so here’s the thing I think having a dead fish in your locker is gross no so bad but gross and being handcuffed to gibby honestly that dose not seem so bad Gibbys a nice kid I know it would be a little annoying but Sam overreacted so much she could have just pied him in the face or pored ice down his shirt or dumbed pudding over his head I think public humiliation is over kill and Sam was way to insane she is just as bad as jade from victorious they both belong in jail
@aidenveron7654
@aidenveron7654 11 ай бұрын
This guy has the best vid ideas
@Tronn9672
@Tronn9672 11 ай бұрын
Haha THANKS!
@erika30pinki
@erika30pinki 11 ай бұрын
As a teen, I was crazy about seddie, cause I loved Sam and had the biggest crush on her and Freddie. As an adult, I hate it! It's toxic af, rarely do you see something so freaking toxic, and in a kids show nonetheless! Like yeah, let's teach kids that that person that abuses you, hurts you, almost kills you, is good for you ❤. Hell no
@uplevel7480
@uplevel7480 11 ай бұрын
i both love and hate creddie and seddie in og show. creddie is like "i hve crush, i friend with my crush, i finally made my crush my gf" type of relationship, but it's obvious that it was one-sided and carly never love freddie. while seddie is "enemies to lovers" kind of relationship, but despite they're lovers, they still have very toxic-like arguments. also all 3 of them were teens so it's obvious that both never worked out. (plus its a teen show so Nick want that sweet2 high rating.) i do love revival take on creddie. its lowkey very mature and revival also acknowledge their unhealthy relationship during og show run. also is it me or the writers already made pattern hinting thst creddie is the endgame. both carly and freddie also kinda very parallel like they having problems finding new lovers in revival. like season 1: carly with her wes, season 2: freddie with pearl, then s3 being creddie.
@annelisemarier2588
@annelisemarier2588 6 ай бұрын
sam and freddie just struck a nerve in people because it was some of the only times that sam actually expressed her feelings and felt actual love towards someone. i know she was violent and that is obviously not a good relationship there, but of the two it felt like sam actually loved freddie in her own weird way. carly just seemed like the obvious choice which made some fans dislike it. it was too easy, a little too basic. if sam were to have been in the reboot and grown up quite a bit, it would have been way more natural and so much healthier.
@memedealermikey
@memedealermikey 7 ай бұрын
I was always Pro-Seddie. I think it was better written, for one. But, as a child, I identified with both Sam and Freddie. Sam was really damaged, I could very much relate to that. When you’re damaged, your reaction to unfamiliar emotions (good or bad) is very skewed compared to what’s healthy and right. Sam liking Freddy didn’t feel forced to me, because through all her aggression I was able to empathize with the soft side she can’t come to terms with. I think if they went Seddie, and simply wrote in Sam growing to be a respectable girlfriend but strong woman, it would’ve been my perfect conclusion.
@niera-la-moon
@niera-la-moon 5 ай бұрын
On another note - I think Schneider-verse notoriously mishandles romantic relationships. All relationships in the -verse are typically played for laughs or there’s elements of abuse… even when they are genuine, it doesn’t last quite long potentially indicative of Schneider’s inability to create healthy mutual sustainable relationships in his waking life where he often abuses others…
@oliveriplier
@oliveriplier 11 ай бұрын
Unrelated but the most unrealistic aspect of the original icarly show was that in canon none their fans shipped sam and carly 🤷
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
The povs and reasons backing them in this comment section really sound like people stuck in their childood fantasy theories ngl. Like it's as if y'all haven't still matured 💀
@fuchsia8853
@fuchsia8853 10 ай бұрын
Tbh I didn’t want either of these to work out unless Seddie grew out of the abusiveness I guess. For Creddie I always saw it as Freddie was only in love with the idea of Carly it’s an obsessive crush without properly getting to know her also Carly didn’t have feelings for him except for when he saved her life and they dated briefly only for Freddie to breakup with her wanting the superhero thing to go away which it did and everything went back to normal. The kiss in the finale felt out of nowhere to me. I like the idea that he liked the idea of her but now that they have formed a proper relationship with her and no longer worships her and he does love her but as a friend. For Seddie I get why people like.. I like it but it’s not healthy as literally shown through their relationship arc, Sam was physically abusive in and out of their romantic relationship. They constantly argued, there were to many problems in their relationship. They love each other but that doesn’t mean they should be together. I see that in Sam and Cat as well as Sam admits Freddie is the only man she ever loved which actually makes sense looking back on her romantic relationships and her and Freddie will always have a bond. At the end of the episode it seemed like they were still friends and going to continue being friends. Yes they have a lot of chemistry and they are fun to watch but yeah they weren’t healthy in a romantic relationship and I was fine with the idea of none of them ending up together and being best friends practically family
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 10 ай бұрын
Freddie and Sam complemented nothing about each other. Like they barely got along even, it's just the over saturated opposites attract claim and it shows. They were the actual definition of "better as just friends more or less, frenemies even". Sam dated and crushed on several other guys before and after her dating phase with Freddie yet hit nor demeaned none. All the more reason why saddie is and always was a forced narrative. No natural build up nor antecedent whatsoever, and magically Freddie is reciprocating his literal BULLY? Same one who persistently made his life miserable to her entertainment without any actual break in cycle?? Talkless of how all the characters acted so out of context during that saddie arc and behaved like it never happened thereafter? Besides all of this, when they actually had that shot to date, they canonically proved romantically incompatible to a fault and literally called themselves out that they were forcing the whole romance and broke it off long even before the original show was over. Trailing during the last season, even Sam noticed Freddie's feelings for Carly resurface, much like they never left. Carly was right. Yes, Freddie had feelings since preteenage years for her, but she owed Freddie no reciprocation, no one should, she valued their friendship between themselves more and made that clear to him, but when that moment he saved her came up, it was understandable it shook some emotions up and she considered being with him. The genuineness of her feelings at that time was hers to call not Freddie nor Sam but it still worked for the best because like Freddie proposed, they needed time to properly mature, value each other the more as the best friends they were and realize what they both wanted respectively and that's exactly what happened till now as they're adults. The revival show worked well with reminiscing and still respecting Sam's character. Jennette McCurdy always saw no sense in pairing Freddie with Sam. She even sees Sam as a closeted queer character instead and roots for Freddie with Carly.
@fresnuts3430
@fresnuts3430 11 ай бұрын
I was always a seddie shipper because I found Sam's character as one of my favorites
@moiii_01
@moiii_01 11 ай бұрын
No wonder...
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Typical self insertive mentality 🙃
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Typical self insertive mentality 🙃
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Typical self insertive mentality 🙃
@Q-H-uz6ll
@Q-H-uz6ll 11 ай бұрын
Typical self insertive mentality 🙃
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