NEW Arrows AND Glue | BUT, which WAY do I FLETCH?! | Left vs Right Helical

[@bobblackhawk3519]

Jack, I like your presentations and the time you take to give extra ideas and thoughts concerning the subject. You name names, comparisons, rate good, better, best, give us insights as to how you arrived at your level of expertise. Yes, You could do it more quickly but I think you're doing just right! Appreciate your work. BL

[@ottobruuniv4269]

Your videos are both very informative and very enjoyable. Thanks for the work you do to help us all out!

[@edbohi2389]

I've used Loctite Ultra Gel for the longest time, but now I have to try the Sirius stuff. Keep up the great content.

[@patrickhaney7540]

I use Gold Tip 100 grain brass inserts in Gold Tip arrows. The transition between the insert and arrow is absolutely flush. Left bevel broadheads actually tighten as they enter an animal or target. The Innovative Outdoorsman (Stay Sharp) has a video about it.

[@Jimbowiejr]

Ran a test yesterday, ventum 33 turns left so I fleched 6 arrows 3 degrees left. It would make a full turn at 9', the same arrow with 3 degree right did not turn at all until 10', then it was only a quarter turn, a full turn didn't happen until 20'. They both shoot field points the same but broad head the left is better. I watch someone do this but never tried it, thought it was bull c, I was wrong. Matthew's 31.5 shoots right helical. I'm going to put ABB on the Hoyt after I get to Colo in a few weeks, so both will be R helical. Nice video

[@chrismatthews228]

I experimented with left and right helical with various fletch sizes (2 - 4 in). Found stable flights at longer distances using LH and, this sounds crazy, with 4 in fletching. Archery is a blast!!

[@stick__shooter]

Great. Another thing to tinker with. Already ordered a left helical set of arms for my EZ Fletch. My favorite fletching glue is G5 Blue Glue.

[@averagejackarchery]

I actually had a shpeal about BluGu in the footage that didn't make the final cut. We use it in the shop but my complaint is the discoloration of lighter colored vane vases like white, yellow, and pink. Other than that it's also great stuff.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Glad to see another AJA video pop up. Dad life and teacher life happens. I have been giving a Serious thought about trying to build a half dozen Sirius arrows like the ones that you have there and a half dozen Victory's not sure which in the lineup yet. Might go 3 or 4 fletch with a slight helical on some longer low profile vanes. You don't seem to have a problem with the Blazers and steering a Magnus or other fixed blade though

[@timbow50]

Good show! I have used 91% alcohol for years for cleaning. I wipe the vane base no matter which vane company and the shaft. Using the Gorilla brand instant adhesive I very seldom loose a vane. Even when they get hit and pierced by another arrow. I don't use the gel type adhesive. I also get these little squeeze bottles with a very small tip. Their is so small it will actually lay in the groove on the vane base. You can really control glue flow with these.

[@mitchellgenz1373]

Great video, a ton of information.

[@erxkeel]

Of course I ordered Right Helical Zinger fletching this morning before watching this video. Greaat.

[@averagejackarchery]

Hahaha! You're alright, brother!!! Don't sweat it one iota.

[@joshjspice]

I've heard so many people say it doesnt matter if you go R or L helical/offset in relation to which way your string [serving] rotates an arrow (like you said, 90% of strings are CW twist, which rotate arrows CCW). To me, this makes zero sense and seems really ignorantly dismissive. I filmed my own trad arrows in flight. CW string made R offset knuckleball for 10yds and get one rotation in by 14. Straight fletch rotated CCW slowly, starting at about 6ft out from the riser. L helicals had an entire rotation COMPLETE by 6ft out. There is so much energy & speed wasted in an opposite fletch or vane essentially snowplowing the air, fighting to spin the arrow opposite from what the serving imparts. There's no way it doesnt matter. Accuracy might be similar, but less precise, but the real loss is speed and energy, something every archer fights so hard to maximize, whatever doctrine of arrow build they believe in. Thanks for touching on this, but i do think it needs more spotlight cuz almost everyone has a contradicting, energy wasting setup.

[@zhickman338]

I have never been able to get Blazers to stick right, so I'm definitely gonna try this glue.

[@houghtonic1975]

AAE max bond has always worked excellent for me

[@caniswolf3394]

Old (very old) school rule of thumb.....Right hand draw= Left vane (feather) fletching, Left hand draw= Right vane (feather) fletching.

[@averagejackarchery]

Thank goodness for compounds and high speed cameras that show otherwise!

[@CCOWAN14]

Great Video! 👊

[@brandonmcdonald6121]

I notice a difference in fletch direction at 80+ yards. Need to do more legit testing on it but it’s a little boring!

[@averagejackarchery]

I can't find my arrows if I start shooting at 80....

[@Dan77845]

I’m interested.

[@frankthetank9741]

I’m gonna pick up of half dozen of those super novas to try out!

[@averagejackarchery]

I'm loving them so far!

[@hikingwithaviking8529]

Them SN 2.0!!! I am loving them

[@averagejackarchery]

LEGIT. Saw your video on them as well. Pumped to skewer a whitetail with one!

[@hikingwithaviking8529]

@@averagejackarchery same!! I am building a hunting set right now!!! Cant wait to see your success

[@DrToe]

Omg I bought that glue. And omg it’s insanely good.

[@dougmeade9412]

I’ve not tried them but, it seems like the spinning insert that ethics makes would be perfect with single bevels.

[@twitch.merritt8483]

I shoot a right hand elite Kure ( in the olive green, nice to see others with good taste). I had the victory vap ss clock to the right. Food for thought on my anecdotal results.

[@averagejackarchery]

Thanks for sharing!

[@40beretta1]

AJA . Don't apologize for your V'blog...They are informative as well as entertaining. I hope you have, on your to-do list. Installing a new sight and Sighting in... Trying to teach our 13y/o daughter; the concept of making sure she has a good stable stance and not having a death grip on her bow, before she messes with her sight pins. By chance; do you have a 'Can of Worms" on the list as well...

[@madman432000]

Out of the 4 bows I am actively shooting only one of them clocks the arrows left. Mathews, PSE, 2 Elite. One of the Elites clocks left. Bows are 60 and 70 lb draw. I've heard what you said about that from others, doesn't seem to pan out for me. The points seem to unscrew a little shooting the left helical ones. Maybe some light threadlocker to keep them in place. Maybe those broadheads are unthreading a bit in flight and not imparting much influence to the arrow when fletched left. ie a tight broadhead is forced to spin with the arrow that spins to the right. Wonder what would happen if the broadhead could spin freely independent of the insert/arrow? An insert with a bearing or broadheads with same.

[@georgemyers6518]

I think that the left helical fletching is worth doing. Forgiveness = more accurate more often.

[@chadpinder6864]

I think I will try the left out.

[@MegaBastt]

Fantastic

[@rubenfranco9046]

Been using super glue since high school, I'm an old fart now.....only ever let me down once during broadhead tuning the head pulled out of a hard foam target. This was because I got careless and didn't properly prep, I pulled the stacks of foam apart and retrieved my head. Properly prepped and re glued, no problem after that.

[@real_LordAlmighty]

What do you think makes blazers so preferable? I’ve been doing some research but haven’t found any good or at least consistent answers! I’m thinking of giving them a try :)

[@averagejackarchery]

I've shot a lot of vanes but keep coming back to Blazers because a) they're cheaper b) come in a bunch of colors and c) most importantly they stick to just about anything with little to no prep. Some complain they're loud. Your bow is louder. Some complain they're overused. Whatever. They're cheap, durable, and a pleasure to work with.

[@ML-ks2lj]

Got links for fletching tools and arrow building supplies and tools?

[@CMBDIA]

you may not be paige pierce, but i'm here watching your videos so... this is the better channel :)

[@johnheitkamp4792]

I shoot rogue strings and they clock right, great video man

[@averagejackarchery]

Thanks, John!

[@billmcstay194]

Rogue strings clocking right X 2.

[@timgreer7440]

So if I want to shoot single bevel and right fletch, should get my bow strung with a left twist? I'm right handed by the way.

[@averagejackarchery]

Nope! You need to match the bevel to the Fletch. That is it.

[@robertdeis132]

How long will Fletch Tite last for tailing before it goes bade in the tube?

[@nathanzaruba1156]

From one Nate to another...Love your videos and all the info you provide. Ive learned much. Quick question...Prime Black 3, 68lbs, 28 in draw, 450 grain VAP TKOs, 35 grain in/outsert, 125 tip, with heat vains...340 or 300 spine? I’m running 300 spine now but just not sure. Bow has been to the pro shop and paper tuned and is set up. Thanks again for all you work on these vids! God bless!

[@averagejackarchery]

You have nothing to lose shooting a 300 spine in this situation, but can open a can of worms going to 340 if it's underspined. Overspined can be handled. Underspined can't be undone.

[@DuoBart0n]

There’s a couple calculators that you can use that will tell you appropriate spine. What length do you have your arrows cut to? That is important as well. The shorter they are the “stiffer” they are going to be.

[@jeffolsen25]

Im torn.. so like you I enjoy the tinker process as I search for the most proficient and potent arrow set up from the build to the table. (Its a hobby)..I too have fletched both right and left out of 2 diff bows which as you correctly stated 90% or more strings spin arrows left. Like you, I did not find any noteable difference in accuracy with either. I did not go into great detail with broadheads because both field points and broadheads really lossened with left fletch so I tried Ethics spinning inserts.. results were negotiable at best.. So really the majority of us are “stuck” with having to fletch our arrows right due to 95% of broadheads are right bevel yet 95% or bow string manufactures build strings to clock left. Hmmm seems like someone in this process didnt get a memo. Regardless.. in your opinion and while not perfect from a physics standpoint are we dropping that much arrow efficiency shooting our right beveled broadheads from a left clocking string or is this just something I need to let go of? The pursuit of perfection for quick humane kills never ends but.. I am not a competition 3d’er.. I shoot in the back yard to 60ish and swing from a saddle 20 feet up in the cold Wisconsin climate shooting maybe 35yds max with my bareshafted..nock tuned.. inset tuned.. 200 gr fixed blade single bevels honed to shave a peach into a necturine with 450-500 taw, 3 blade TAC vanes hand fletched arrows.. goal is freezer filled and many jars canned.. I should be ok correct? Please tell me I am good.. my marraige depends on this!

[@averagejackarchery]

I would shoot a 450-500 grain arrow for any whitetail on this continent without a moment's hesitation.

[@joeknight7527]

Looking to get into shooting 3D and am kinda leaning toward trying the supernova arrows. Think they would be a good choice?

[@averagejackarchery]

Most definitely. Excellent qualities for a great all around arrow choice.

[@danielbrannon2251]

Hello. I have my bow tuned good. I recent bateshafted some new arrows and I got them to shoot bullet holes. I had one arrow fletched with right helical and it was a bullet hole too. The bate shaft spins to left a little off the rest into target. What would you do. I'm stuck with left or right? Keep up the good work

[@averagejackarchery]

If you're all set to fletch to the right, I really wouldn't sweat it. Very, very solid fletching platform and I'd highly doubt us average folks could tell a difference.

[@geeves21312]

Great video! I'm wondering if there's a higher chance of broadhead loosening on animal-impact with a left helical... I can't imagine it's a very big chance, but in the interest of ethics it makes me nervous about left helical even though mine clock left.

[@averagejackarchery]

I've shot dozens of deer with a left helical. Never once had a loose broadhead.

[@geeves21312]

@@averagejackarchery ok good to know! Thank you

[@billyatwell8659]

What are your thoughts on Bohning Cool Melt?

[@averagejackarchery]

It's been around for literally decades for a reason. It's great stuff!

[@libbybenedict]

I never know if I'm team Left or Right... Twix 🤔🤔

[@averagejackarchery]

I'm always left twix.

[@oldpapawwithastrat9384]

Thank you for the information. I am new to this aspect of archery. I never gave much thought to right, left hand fletching or string twist. Do you have any experience with Barn Burner strings or the free spinning insert offered by Ethics Archery? My local shop promotes these strings and Ethics is something that i have crossed in several videos. God’s creation is great and I ordered a boat anchor that has not came in yet. Lol. Blessings

[@averagejackarchery]

I do not have experience with either, unfortunately.

[@timparrish1847]

Any trick to replacing one fletch on a four fletched arrow with the bitzen burger jig Have you tried Blaze bond , best glue I've tried for fletching

[@averagejackarchery]

I just strip and start all over. Just makes for less headache and mess.

[@zhickman338]

Or buy a Firenock jig with a laser😁

[@kadepoole313]

Do you have any issues with your broadhead or field point wanting to back out with the left helical fletching?

[@averagejackarchery]

Put a little hot melt on the threads of the point/broadhead. I do it that way for left or right fletch. Don't like them vibrating loose either way.

[@vwjti18t]

Great video. But why such a distaste for maythews?

[@averagejackarchery]

I'm not fond of a bow style that require a full axle pull to just change a string and cable. Thats just ridiculous. Plus the modules to change draw length instead of a rotating cam, still using shims (albeit top hats are better than standard shims) to tune, weight distribution is not what it should be for a 1k$ bow. Still they shoot well and have a huge following. So none of that is bound to change anytime soon.

[@xdivineHART]

What's the advantage of buying arrows made by a bow shop vs arrows made by like easton? I'm using premade arrows from easton right now, but I recently went to a pro shop and they have a lot of random arrows

[@averagejackarchery]

There are premade arrows from every manufacturer on the planet. All a matter of preference and price points.

[@mikecarr9490]

How do these super novas compare to the vulcans

[@averagejackarchery]

Lighter, more standard weight arrow. Much better if you want to try and push an FOC build. Very comparable to a GT XT Hunter in my shooting and testing so far.

[@justjabki2079]

Hey Nate, I was wondering if I am under spined shooting a 300 spine. I am shooting 70 pounds, 29 inch draw, 225 grains upfront

[@averagejackarchery]

Definitely pushing it, but you're probably okay.

[@Alex-iv4ee]

What product are you using to tip the fletchings with?

[@averagejackarchery]

Sirius to glue to shaft, Bohning Fletch Tite Platinum to tip and tail the.

[@teamhalfrack4506]

first off welcome bak nate great vid...... nick n i have to get u n red n grey sweatshirt brother hint hint lol go buckeyes! lol sorry had to do it lol

[@averagejackarchery]

LOL

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

Have you played with the 3,4,6 vanes ie your 3 vane with a 4+° helical vs a 4 or 6 at 1- 2°, normal blazer vs more smaller low profile etc. I have 2 dozen to Fletch up and test those differences at 60-100 yds. Catching up on a bunch of your content, keep up the great work 👍

[@averagejackarchery]

I haven't. Waste of good fletchings if you ask me. 100 pack of Blazers with my helical use stabilize everything and I can get 33 arrows fletched up. Or just 25 with 4 Fletch. Just seems like an unnecessary addition.

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

@@averagejackarchery haha well, I guess I just can't leave well enough alone.

[@leenevins8719]

Im looking for a good 100 grain insert or outsert for the ce mayhems. I have some for the beman ics hunters but they are too big. What do you recommend?

[@averagejackarchery]

So do you have the Mayhem SDS that has the .204 diameter?

[@leenevins8719]

They are the maxima reds not sure what size. I know they are a little smaller than the pile driver. I have the ethics inserts for those and they are a little too big

[@averagejackarchery]

@@leenevins8719 If they are the .204 size then Easton Axis brass inserts will fit.

[@josephgilliand4]

Your "feeling" that left helical works better sounds alot like confirmation bias. :)

[@billwall2969]

update 9-17-21 must see Does Fletching Your Arrows Left or Right Make a Difference? - KZbin

[@thegraytoutdoors.8747]

So, noticing you dont use a wrap on your arrows, is there any reason you dont? Pros or cons? Just curious, thanks

[@averagejackarchery]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX-zeKefeNWFopI Give this a look! Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't.

[@thegraytoutdoors.8747]

@@averagejackarchery wow, that's an oldie. Thanks, like I said I was just curious, I definitely want to try the Sirius/tuffhead glue, I will be ordering soon!! Thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them.

[@erikkirby6598]

This guy knows how shit and speaks from true knowledge

[@marcusmenneer5109]

So do you not spine index?

[@averagejackarchery]

I suggest you watch my "normal" full tuning videos. I usually bareshaft, nock tune, then Fletch.

[@johnclephas8725]

Hey Nate. Wow you have come a long way since "How To: Wrap Arrows/Fletch Blazer Vanes!" I just ordered my Bitzenburger and was trying to find as much content I could. I have been seeing a lot of content that says to go with longer veins for broadheads, what do you think, are 2" Blazers just fine?

[@averagejackarchery]

The push for longer vanes has come hand in hand with the push for heavier arrows: longer, more surface area fletching makes the non-bell-curve style arrow more forgiving. We're right back to the old aluminum arrow days with their 4" Plasti-Vanes. Blazers can handle any arrow you pretty much throw at them, but they behave better with a working-man's arrow build best of all.

[@fifthof1398]

I was hoping the video would have a few more adds.

[@averagejackarchery]

What's fun now is even though one can choose ad placements or even if their channel is monetized, KZbin still can put ads on your channel. It's great. 🙃🙄

[@timgreer7440]

I get no adds. I use Firefox and AdBlocker Ultimate (free version).

[@christsideurbanstreetminis2183]

Just to clarify @14:45ish you said based on another study/testing of zingers "left helical 4fin 6degree seem to do the best, but you dont like to run 4fletch" I'm curious as they seem to almost be contradicting statement

[@averagejackarchery]

The Zingers are an incredibly low profile and small surface area vane. Running the Z4 model is a near necessity I found for fixed blades. But say a 4 Fletch Blazer is WAY too much steerage with how much vane surface their is.

[@christsideurbanstreetminis2183]

@@averagejackarchery Ok now I understand your statement

[@zhickman338]

@@averagejackarchery I'm still going to try this. Mostly cause I want to be like Kyle Douglas.

[@davidbuurma9309]

If u only had an Ohio State sweatshirt...

[@averagejackarchery]

They make EXCELLENT kindling in a pinch. ;)

[@MrWhiltetail]

Sorry Average Jack. I'm getting sick of youtubes push for content, content, content. The longer the better. I miss the days when it was easy to find condensed to the point information. Almost like a summary. 15 years ago I was "the man" here around town for bow tuning & component recommendations but things have changed a lot and I haven't done much with archery in many years. I would like to get caught up to speed but I don't want to spend hours & hours doing so. That just seems excessive. So I'm going to have to skip this nearly half hour video on new arrows, glue & fletching direction as I have already spent hours watching video's & got very little out of it for the time spent. I wish you had a condensed nuts & bolts summary style tuning & arrow building basics video(s). Way too much chit chat & hee hawing around in todays videos.