Ancient Christian Beliefs About Sex Were WILD

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[@piface3016]

What painting is the thumbnail from? I can't find it online

[@piface3016]

Ok found it it's "The Fall of Man" by Hendrick Goltzius

[@raya.p.l5919]

❤Jesus power ❤ energy field. Starting now.

[@favorites8651]

This has got to be one of your craziest videos yet and I'm here for it. A long stare into the camera followed by "my [manhood] fell off" I guess what I'm trying to say is keep up the great work!

[@mayaasan7201]

Go ahead y'all ,feel proud to fantasize and get excited about worshipping other people's disgusting sh!t filled body organs. What's wrong with this generation. If you are a perv then go be one, don't force your philosophy on others. Sex was only legal for procreation or else it's just molesting someone and getting excited about sadistically using and abusing someone who's obviously going to give consent because of some reason or the other. Just because someone "consented" to something doesn't make it legal. Consensual torture isn't legal. Watching pornography and objectifying another human body is worse than any animals. No animals do that although we don't usually take moral lessons form animals . We don't know what situation made that pornstar do such a thing, maybe they're were forced coerced or threatened by pimps. I cannot believe the raging jealousy of disbelievers. Just because religion teaches you to be a little humans and respect yourself doesn't make it a horrific crime. What's horrific is the amount of rape that's happening around the world. What's horrific is women being trafficked into sex rings, what's horrific is mothers of children forced out of poverty and turn to selling their bodies and acting like pigs fornication to please her viewers, horrific is all the women and young boys who get sexually assaulted and their abuser makes them watch sexually deviating videos and movies while abusing them. Horrific is Hollywood actresses who step father abused them and now constantly watches their sex scene which they were forced to shoot out of hunger and homelessness. Everything related with sex is selfish disgusting demeaning and horrific . And the audacity of people to praise sexual activities after witnessing all the abuse sex got people into!?

[@Sam-xt5gb]

Damn dude, as an ex-mormon, I love your videos. In Mormon culture there are a lot of things that are different than typical Christian sects, but the things you break down and dissect apply so well to Mormon doctrine and teachings. It really helps me deconstruct what I was raised as. Thanks for the hard work man

[@cineblazer]

I'm in the same boat. Mormonism's sex-negativity and shame culture really messed me up when I was a teenager, and even though I have been out now for two years, I'm *still* working on having a healthy relationship with my sexuality as a result of being so repressed growing up.

[@Sam-xt5gb]

@@cineblazer it’s a terrible organization. I’m glad you made it out! Hope you’re thriving now!

[@Aerythraea]

@@cineblazer Traumatized ex-Mormon gang unite!

[@mr_ekshun]

Exmormon here as well! It's reassuring to see other people working through the same recovery process I am. Y'all, we got this 💜

[@lachlanstatter]

You suffered from not having sex outside of marriage? @@cineblazer

[@rodriguezelfeliz4623]

19:08 When I was growing up catholic I was so ashamed of anything related to sex, that I actually prayed gor god to take my sexual organs away so that I would never be tempted to sin again. I remember reading that verse and wanting to castrate myself, but not not being "brave enough" to do it (which made me feel more guilty). I lived in constant fear of going to hell, and I hated myself. Now that I don't believe I can still see the consequences of growing up like this

[@josephbelisle5792]

This is religious trauma. I suffered the same. All theists have it to some degree. You can't introduce these bits of insanity to little children without causing them trauma. I would suggest you domsome research on trauma. Parents who feel it fine to harm children in this way often do it in other ways. Giving us Complex Post Traumtic Stress Disorder. A complicated form of PTSD that results from traumatizing a mind that has no defense against it and coming from the people who are supposed to keep them safe. Please look it up.

[@jb71488]

Same..raised Catholic and had Catholic guilt and shame about sex growing up... How do Christians expect us to have healthy sex lives when sex is shamed our entire childhood but magically when we put on a ring and say some words in front of a priest it's now okay to have it??

[@tompatterson1548]

@@josephbelisle5792I doubt practitioners of some religions feel that. Probably mostly just Monotheists

[@jadedpotato1574]

@@jb71488 FORREAL

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

There are some, debated, sources that suggest there may have been Christian groups who actually did castrate themselves. Some would say that was the depth of their devotion, but I think it's just fanaticism and, well, crazy. This is why I hate sex being seen as something "sinful". Sex is just a thing that exists. You can either do it or not depending on how you feel. I was raised Catholic but I was just a child when I thought to myself, "None of this God stuff makes sense. I'll go to church because my mom will make me, but when I turn 18 I'm walking away from this. It feels like a bunch of made-up bullshit and making people afraid for no good reason." Ugh, I even went through the whole Confirmation thing, which made me feel slimy as a non-believer. Having to stand there and pretend like I believed this was such a big deal, knowing it was only 2 years before I would turn around and walk away without ever looking back or second guessing for one moment. Good thing I don't believe in divine punishment because I'm pretty sure falsely proclaiming faith is something God would punish me severely for. All this to say, for any believers struggling with this, is that your body and its functions are just the way they are; nothing about it is sinful, problematic, or disgusting. Sex is an activity you can CONSENSUALLY take part in with any adult you want, within or without marriage. As long as everyone is willing and the rules are laid out in advance, and you use safer sex methods, go have fun. Life is made for living.

[@97Multiphantom]

Paul really said “You can be gay, just don’t be a bottom, dude.”😂😂

[@JackgarPrime]

Pretty in line with Roman culture of the time, tbh

[@dangerousdays2052]

Remember, it ain't gay if the one on bottom cries. That's what they taught me in prison anyway.

[@hydrogenbomb7277]

​@@dangerousdays2052WTF

[@anotherhairlessapewithanop7455]

@@dangerousdays2052lmao thats messed up

[@just_some_greek_dude]

In short don't get fucked,Paul was wise

[@coloneljo]

Thomas really said “trans your gender, or else” 😂

[@rarol1103]

3:20 I love that they were basically going “Hey man gay sex is fine but if you’re not domming it’s a sin”

[@flaminglesbian]

Fuck, but SOMEONE'S gotta bottom... are you supposed to have sex with a sinner??????? 😱

[@catsaresocute650]

They wearen't at all. That interpretation is wild. It's just don't do sexually immoral acts, such as homsexual sex. For woman I honestly read that as woman being permiscious (insted of highly selective, not private about sex). But ok

[@rarol1103]

@@catsaresocute650 I mean she literally said “a man ought not to submit to engaging in sexual intercourse with another man (a man shouldn’t have gay sex) if he is the recipient” (recipient of the dick), she even says that her interpretation of it was “don’t be penetrated if you’re a man”, idk where you got “women shouldn’t be promiscuous” from

[@rarol1103]

@@catsaresocute650 I mean she literally said “a man ought not to submit to engaging in sexual intercourse with another man (a man shouldn’t have gay sex) if he is the recipient” (recipient male genitalia), she even says that her interpretation of it was “don’t be penetrated if you’re a man”, idk where you got “women shouldn’t be promiscuous” from

[@zJuua_]

​@@catsaresocute650 its a joke, genius. damn, lighten up. these jokes are just being made because that's how Paul sounds like. saying women are MEANT to be penetrated, so being a man and submitting to another man like a woman would was "unnatural".

[@sramspoker]

I can’t help but think part of the chastity beliefs came from the fact they literally thought the kingdom of god was soon at hand. Why bother having babies when the apocalypse is right around the corner?

[@enricochestri]

Exactly

[@RyanVering]

Nah the Jews were celibate even when they didn't think the coming of the kingdom of God was at hand in a few years, before Christianity. It didn't have anything to do with seeing no point in having babies. In fact, traditionally, Jewish marriage was all about being a step to starting a new family, which entails having sex and children. Having sex and producing children was a mitzvah too.

[@museofsalzburg2373]

"Sex doomed humanity" LITERALLY the opposite is true :P

[@pohkeee]

😂🤣ahhh…figuratively versus literally 😉🥴🤣

[@UsenameTakenWasTaken]

Welcome to Christians. The most humble centers of the universe, blaming everyone else for their own doing because they're incapable of interacting with "sins" in a healthy matter.

[@TheMadGameArchitect]

@@UsenameTakenWasTaken Yeah no, its mostly atheists and weak believers who are promiscious

[@FernandoTorrera]

Well if you believe Eden actually existed Then yes sex doomed humanity to death pain and suffering.

[@TheMadGameArchitect]

Not sex, disobidience@@FernandoTorrera

[@Leith_Crowther]

“Bad theology leads to orgies.” God, I WISH. Can you imagine how much chiller today’s Christians would be if that were true?

[@starscreamthecruel8026]

and how diseased? SDT's were rife back the as is.

[@terralexj9468]

@@starscreamthecruel8026 No, because diseases fall to modern medicine. There would be no widespread problem with that today. If the first thing that comes to mind on promiscuity is disease, then you are obviously eschewing the numerous methods of prevention and treatment we have today. Yes, there are people who are too lazy to do either. (don't) Screw them. Considering disease as an intractable part of promiscuity... belies your influence from propaganda attempting to paint sex as bad when done casually. Don't you realise that everything EVERYBODY sees is sensationalised? Even the presentation of statistics? The situations behind the data points matter. That's why entire research papers are published to explain what the graphs mean, instead of just the infographics within them, because those do not show you enough about people's lives to make sense of their issues. (On the other hand, the crowd against scientific institutions loves to show solely infographics, many people have started campaigns on misinterpretations, and everybody who shares them is not active or even qualified in the field of study they pertain to.)

[@SpydrXIII]

and stickier.

[@SpydrXIII]

@@starscreamthecruel8026 we call them "STI's" now, they are infections not diseases, technically i guess.

[@ninjvisible]

​​@@SpydrXIII"Dis-ease" still has valid concern and related definition. It seems the term has come to be more understood as a long term version that may stem from an infection, but may not always be the case.

[@MuttleyVonErich00]

So Paul was the original: You're only gay if you take it?

[@druidriley3163]

He was Roman.

[@Amanda-j3y]

Prison Rules Paul

[@wannab8320]

Grew up a christian and followed the faith deeply, it was when I delved DEEP into the faith and the word and different translations/versions. I saw so much that I couldn't articulate and no one could answer my questions when I asked, a Rabbi, a preist, a pastor, a monk, or a even a Hend/Mullah. You have helped my brain articulate and answer my questions along with a few of your other fellow KZbinrs that explain these kinds of subjects. Thank you for everything you do, and all the work you do on these videos. You have helped me so much and I feel like I'm no longer mentally suffering with all the questions. I have my answers. Thanks to you.

[@Chris_Sheridan]

@wannab .. but you never were a Christian - because obviously you knew nothing.

[@hj925]

So sadly typical of many people brought up in a sterile religious culture. I am so sorry for you and others like you as you've clearly been failed. However, your self assessment of the "depth" of your faith is clearly a delusion and nothing you say suggests more than superficial. The signs are all there in what you do and don't say

[@Caughtintheinterweb]

What sort of questions if you don't mind my asking

[@DM-zq8qy]

How can any “father” create a system that would promises torture for his “children?”

[@gp5313]

They talk about sex as something so wrong that even the mother of Jesus had to be a virgin 💀

[@spider-man9118]

It was a sacred thing, my fellow Zoomer We must stay focused, brothers. We must stay focused. Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. Ayo, I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. *IF* anyone is interested, read on *NOTE:* I can’t prove God to you. It all comes down to your choice to put your trust in Jesus Christ. That’s all faith is-TRUST. Unfortunately in these recent years, science and “religion” (as we know them today) have bastardized each other and themselves. Point is, faith is trusting in Jesus. It’s not a blind jump into what non-believers call nothingness. Billy Graham said something reminiscent of that. I have no power over you. I can only tell you, but I can’t force you. (I mean, we’re conversing online lol. I’m not at your location… yet) james 4:8 “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.” hebrews 11:6 “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.” Check out “HolyLandSite, Cold-Case Christianity, Delafé Testimonies.” There may be more, but those are the ones I know of. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." I don’t want you to suffer like I did/do. *YOU WILL LOSE ALMOST EVERYTHING IMPORTANT TO YOU! PLEASE, FOR YOUR SAKES, REPENT AND TURN TO JESUS! SAVE YOURSELVES FROM YOURSELVES! It’s a pit you *CAN NOT* get out of. *AGAIN, I DON’T WANT YOU TO SUFFER LIKE I DID/DO! I LOVE AND CARE FOR YOU TO TELL YOU THIS!* He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also *WAY* better than lust. love is greater than lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. AGAIN, I DON’T WANT YOU TO SUFFER LIKE I DID/DO! hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff (HolyLandSite). more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. This one doesn’t pertain to cosmology, but it refers to divine revelation nonetheless. Isaiah 11:15 “The Lord will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams so that anyone can cross over in sandals.” Revelation 16:12 “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.” How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. Check out “Delafé Testimonies.” They got some good stuff as well *YOU CANNOT DENY THE WORK GOD DOES IN PEOPLE’S LIVES* also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general

[@CarnerioTostado]

I think a virgin woman being one of the core aspects of a religion is one of the funniest things ever. Like, lets REALLY think about it. With no sperm, there only is half of the cromossomes and it's impossible for a human being to exist like that. So if we were ever able to do a DNA test in Jesus, we'd find the DNA of God. More importantly, we'd find what God's sperm is made of in terms of genetic material.

[@DaniBaker2023]

Sex is wrong to a lot of people. And even if you didn't give it willingly they still blame you for it.

[@nHans]

In fact, they went a generation further. They required that not only Mary-Jesus' mother-had to be a virgin and conceive Jesus without "sin" (i.e. sex), Mary herself had to have been conceived immaculately as well. That is to say, Mary's mother-Jesus' grandmother-too had to be a virgin and conceive Mary without "sin." There's no word if the virgin birth requirement went up any further.

[@karebushmarebu233]

@@nHans Also the word for virgin in the original Hebrew prophecy actually just means young single woman that’s of age, it can mean virgin but within the old Hebrew Scriptures any other time the word virgin is used they use a different word that only means virgin. This prophecy (which wasn’t even really a prophecy to do with the messiah in the first place) was read and interpreted by the writers of the virgin birth story to mean virgin, but the thing is the writer couldn’t actually speak Hebrew properly so it was probably just a mistranslation in an attempt to make a theological point/prove the legitimacy of Jesus by saying he fulfilled this prophecy (that wasn’t even a prophecy)

[@MR-zq5gt]

I left the faith a few years ago. I have finally come to terms that there is no inherent moral value to sex- it’s neither good nor bad in of itself. It can be used in bad ways but that doesn’t make the act in if itself inherently bad. Realizing this has been life changing and has finally removed those deep seated feelings of guilt and shame that Christianity had imposed upon me …

[@lachlanstatter]

Sex is inherently good, aka of God. But sex and God should not be taken advantage of.

[@samcooley-it9xc]

@@lachlanstatterthe rules are different when you don’t believe in God, this is how the human brain works. Notice how in time and with reason they were able to over come the feeling of guilt

[@AnonOmous-lj1qn]

If Gods real you cant make the rules

[@ロクアンドロールしかないでも好きだ]

Part of the reason for our existence is procreation. We are a sexually procreating species, this is morally right when used to create and raise a family together with your wife, there is an overwhelming abundance of evidence that this is the best outcome for raising healthy mentally balanced children that benefit society, sex outside of this structure is destructive and the West is crumbling under the weight of decadence and the insanity of multiple genders if you can’t see that then you haven’t cone to terms with anything.

[@patrikvajgel240]

​@@AnonOmous-lj1qn thankfully he's not, so we can make the rules

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

Man-eating seals? Truly terrifying monsters for those who can't break into a brisk walk.

[@JackgarPrime]

Thankfully they're vulnerable to lightning damage

[@spider-man9118]

We must stay focused, brothers. We must stay focused. Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. Ayo, I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. *IF* anyone is interested, read on *NOTE:* I can’t prove God to you. It all comes down to your choice to put your trust in Jesus Christ. That’s all faith is-TRUST. Unfortunately in these recent years, science and “religion” (as we know them today) have bastardized each other and themselves. Point is, faith is trusting in Jesus. It’s not a blind jump into what non-believers call nothingness. Billy Graham said something reminiscent of that. I have no power over you. I can only tell you, but I can’t force you. (I mean, we’re conversing online lol. I’m not at your location… yet) james 4:8 “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.” hebrews 11:6 “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.” Check out “HolyLandSite, Cold-Case Christianity, Delafé Testimonies.” There may be more, but those are the ones I know of. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." I don’t want you to suffer like I did/do. *YOU WILL LOSE ALMOST EVERYTHING IMPORTANT TO YOU! PLEASE, FOR YOUR SAKES, REPENT AND TURN TO JESUS! SAVE YOURSELVES FROM YOURSELVES! It’s a pit you *CAN NOT* get out of. *AGAIN, I DON’T WANT YOU TO SUFFER LIKE I DID/DO! I LOVE AND CARE FOR YOU TO TELL YOU THIS!* He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also *WAY* better than lust. love is greater than lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. AGAIN, I DON’T WANT YOU TO SUFFER LIKE I DID/DO! hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff (HolyLandSite). more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. This one doesn’t pertain to cosmology, but it refers to divine revelation nonetheless. Isaiah 11:15 “The Lord will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams so that anyone can cross over in sandals.” Revelation 16:12 “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.” How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. Check out “Delafé Testimonies.” They got some good stuff as well *YOU CANNOT DENY THE WORK GOD DOES IN PEOPLE’S LIVES* also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general

[@sarahk5921]

Seals are predators.

[@chelseashipp1883]

Some of these behaviors aren't completely forgotten, I went to church in the last two decades with a man who had cut of his hand to prevent himself from sinning. Hopefully rare, but these verses still inspire people to do horrible things to themselves.

[@lachlanstatter]

It's figurative language 😭

[@lachlanstatter]

It's figurative language 😭

[@stacyrosa6672]

Not as uncommon as one would hope. I was employed at a residential mental health facility in Michigan for two years. During my employment, one of the residents had cut off his own arm with a chainsaw, because he believed it would stop him from masturbating. Another resident amputated his own penis with the blade from a safety razor, because he felt that his penis was causing him to sin. I was a social worker for 30 years, serving people with severe and recurring mental illness. "Religiousity" is an extremely common factor in this level of mental illness.

[@jigsaw_in_place]

@@stacyrosa6672 I wonder at time how many of these super religious people act that way out of mental disorder not just like "pure faith"; when researching OCD as I'm pretty sure I have it, I noticed that symptoms of religious OCD mostly just look like someone super devoted to their faith and thus are so much more likely to not realize it is an issue. Same with people who say they are literally spoken to by God, that just sounds like auditory hallucinations unless they say it happened it a dream.

[@fawnieee]

​@@stacyrosa6672 seggsual repression has caused so much harm to so many people.

[@dylantd9189]

So women are imperfect men... So does that mean men are supposed to be attracted to "imperfect men" and not "perfect" men? 😂

[@damianlopez7630]

Those people were insane!!! Women are emotional and illogical...but by no means imperfect.

[@Peregrina]

So...everyone are gay? 😉

[@formerlyLadyMacbeth]

The ancient greeks in question did, indeed, see love between men as superior to a man's love for a woman. Plato wrote about it specifically, actually, and that belief carried through through greco roman cultures. Because women are subhuman, it is a love that degrades you instead of elevates your soul to be closer to the divine. (Perhaps implied to be a chaste love depending on the author.)

[@naturbursche5540]

It would be seen as honorable of the strong to care for the weak. This dogma came from a heteronormative culture and your statement would have fnorded them.

[@naturbursche5540]

@@formerlyLadyMacbeth Few people know that Stoics were quasi-Abrahamic influenced by the Septuagynt.

[@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak]

“Babe wake up, new Genetically Modified Skeptic video.”

[@byron739]

LOL fuck yeah, that's the spirit guys!

[@ErikPelyukhno]

I am simple. I see a GMS notification, I watch

[@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer]

Rude. Let babe sleep.

[@erikarsov4365]

Wake up WAKE UP!!!

[@nemesisurvivorleon]

brand new here, but it's that good?

[@shadowdragon3521]

"for him the spirit and the flesh were opposites one wants the opposite of the other" This is such an anti-human anti-life philosophy. You either needlessly suffer in life by denying yourself your basic needs or you suffer in the afterlife for failing to do so in life.

[@mayaasan7201]

😢😢😢😢Go ahead y'all ,feel proud to fantasize and get excited about worshipping other people's disgusting sh!t filled body organs. What's wrong with this generation. If you are a perv then go be one, don't force your philosophy on others. Sex was only legal for procreation or else it's just molesting someone and getting excited about sadistically using and abusing someone who's obviously going to give consent because of some reason or the other. Just because someone "consented" to something doesn't make it legal. Consensual torture isn't legal. Watching pornography and objectifying another human body is worse than any animals. We don't know what situation made that pornstar do such a thing, maybe they're were forced coerced or threatened by pimps. I cannot believe the raging jealousy of disbelievers. Just because religion teaches you to be a little humans and respect yourself doesn't make it a horrific crime. What's horrific is the amount of rape that's happening around the world. What's horrific is women being trafficked into sex rings, what's horrific is mothers of children forced out of poverty and turn to selling their bodies and acting like pigs fornication to please her viewers, horrific is all the women and young boys who get sexually assaulted and their abuser makes them watch sexually deviating videos and movies while abusing them. Horrific is Hollywood actresses who step father abused them and now constantly watches their sex scene which they were forced to shoot out of hunger and homelessness. Everything related with sex is selfish disgusting demeaning and horrific . And the audacity of people to praise sexual activities after witnessing all the abuse sex got people into!?

[@GalladeTheWarrior]

It's almost like the whole concept is a self propagating idea meant to lock people into a specific mindset..... (It's a meme)

[@jeremy5602]

Right, cause not having sex is sooooo horrible, the worst torture ever, how could anybody survive without it?

[@youthinkyouknow343]

Paul starts the paragraph with: You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. Seems what he was against was indulgence. The way I see it is that we all make decisions between what we desire and what is good and there are often in conflict. He doesn't specifically ask to ignore basic needs but to stay away from things like sexual immorality, debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, and orgies. On the other side, you're right: you would have to deny yourself on occasion to do the right thing. He didn't talk about hell in itself by but God’s wrath and condemnation because of sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, greed, anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy and filthy language. I don't know what exactly calls impurity but I don't see who can make it on that one and filthy language can be a lot of words.

[@hypergraphic]

That is is the true anti-life equation that Darkseid was looking for.

[@AHAHAHHAHA]

“Paul” seems painfully sex repulsed.Was he ace,or just a misogynistic virgin? Because I totally get the negative perception of sex,I myself find it gross from hearing about it,yet I wouldn’t call it immoral

[@SailingSoWhat]

He either was a militant asexual or the original incel 😅

[@thesterrave]

he doesnt call sex immoral though if you bothered to read it in context

[@enricochestri]

What's an ace?

[@AHAHAHHAHA]

@@enricochestri an asexual/aromantic person

[@enricochestri]

thanks! @@AHAHAHHAHA

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

Jesus was like “Transition transmen, and be based!”

[@sahar1213]

Based jesus?

[@Jvenoia]

TIRM JESUS

[@naturbursche5540]

"mutilate yourself before you become a predator"

[@NoQuestionsAskedd]

It's hilarious how most people forget that we were the original Asexuals in human history

[@TomatoRadio]

Paul really gives off the vibe of an asexual who doesn't know what that is and doesn't understand why people want sex so much, so he hates it as a result.

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

I knew I was ace from a very young age and took comfort in Paul's verses when I still believed. Could totally see him as a sex repulsed ace

[@spaghetto9836]

That's what I've been saying 😂😂. "If only you guys could be like me..." He's literally the obnoxious ace stereotype. And he had a nephew, so he was the Cool Childfree Uncle/Aunt™ too.

[@austin.luther]

The Ben Shapiro of ancient Rome.

[@rainbowkrampus]

I don't think there's good reason to believe Paul was totally honest about his views, personally. Lots of cult leaders preach sexual control for their followers while themselves having voracious sexual appetites. Given that he seems to be in constant conflict over the same sorts of things modern cult leaders tend to be in conflict over, I tend to lean towards him being... like your stereotypical cult leader. He's just been sanitized by the black box of history and the veneration of christians over the centuries.

[@spaghetto9836]

@@rainbowkrampus Idk, he was implied to be vegetarian/vegan too, and that just adds to the trope 💀. Seriously though, with his positive views on divorce & the way he liberally said "I don't feel attracted to people, but y'all don't *have* to live like me. I think it'd be better, sure, but do what you want to." really makes it feel like he wasn't a cult leader. Heck, when folks started arguing about who's the leader between him and Peter, he said he wasn't a leader at all & no one should say "I follow Paul", but that they all follow Christ. He wasn't trying to control every Church he sent a letter to; rather he saw them more as longtime friends to email every once in a while while giving advice. But that's my interpretation. I know not all his opinions were based, but at least he was honest in that they were his opinions.

[@Juanixtec]

There's a correction tho. Celibacy was not always demanded for priesthood. it was introduced during the First Lateran Council in the XII century.

[@nightshade7240]

Also that the meaning of celibacy often doesn't mean what modern English defines it as.

[@FodrMichalych]

Human history is not a fkin line. In early 1st century there were several Christian sects with relative rules about sexual behavior.

[@martyheresniak5203]

@@nightshade7240 Nor the loopholes that the modern RC church allows.

[@futatorius]

@@nightshade7240 It's implied. Celibacy means not marrying. But the only Church-approved way to have sex is within marriage. So no marriage, no sex. And even within marriage, there are lots of limits and other rules regarding sex.

[@whilrybird67]

@@martyheresniak5203oh god

[@mathnerd97]

Is it possible Paul was ace and found the idea of sex gross? And then attributed his lack of desire to elevated spirituality, rather than just normal human variation?

[@byron739]

He might have been a closeted homo, that's it. Well, a good chunk of these so called 'holy men' exhibits a deep hatred/despise for women, that's very telling, just saying...

[@Uryvichk]

It's possible, or it's possible he was just a really committed Platonist who thought all materiality was icky, and sex would be the ickiest of all. You can see shades of this in Justin Martyr. I don't think Justin was asexual as such, but he was DEEPLY offended at the idea that God would have had sex with Mary in order to conceive Jesus and insisted repeatedly that this WASN'T what happened and it was NOTHING like the stories of Zeus doing the same thing. Justin was a huge Platonist and considered himself a philosopher, so it might not actually have anything to do with their own sexual preferences.

[@cobrasys]

A very insightful and intriguing idea! I think there's a very high likelihood of that being the case. Or, at the very least, something in the same ballpark of it.

[@nightshade7240]

I mean you don't need to attribute ace characteristics to zealots. The shit they believe and accept is fucking wild. I don't think Paul would have been ace. I think he was just extremely (read: zealously impractically) devoted to the idea that everyone should devote themselves to following Jesus. If the writings we have are in fact representative of his beliefs. Also don't forget that the zealots were convinced that Jesus would return in their lifetime. The extant texts were never intended to apply to modern times because, in their belief, there should be no modern times. Jesus should already have returned and that should have been the end of any need for a book that teaches about god, since god should be here in the flesh to teach humanity himself. Also the homogenisation of Masoretic texts and extant new testament documentation was so far after their time that they probably could never have conceived of such a blending.

[@bananewane1402]

Definitely possible. As a prepubescent child I was functionally asexual, I thought sex was disgusting, and I didn’t understand why anyone would want to have sex if they weren’t having children. That led me to label any non-reproductive sex as deviant and the people who engaged in them were perverted. If I had remained asexual into adulthood, been in an insular religious community and not educated about human sexuality I may have held on to those beliefs.

[@einahsirro1488]

I've thought for a long time now that the Adam & Eve story was a colloquial parable telling of the first sex act. The snake wasn't a snake; it was Adam's penis. He was asleep, she cuddled up to him and he got a stiffy, and she got an idea about what she could do with it. That first sexual act was "the forbidden fruit." It explains everything, including why they were now aware that they were naked, why God suddenly felt like a third wheel, why he kicked them out of his garden, and why he warned them about the hardships they were going to face. He wasn't cursing them, he was telling them what sex leads to: pregnancy, childbirth, hard work to support these children, etc.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Such a dick move on God's part to kick His teenage daughter out of the house as soon as she became pregnant.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

''why god suddenly felt like a third wheel'' I love the way you phrased it.

[@enricochestri]

A very interesting theory I must say...

[@tree2800]

Yet another biblical fanfiction Can you explain the part where the serpent will bruise the woman's heel?

[@einahsirro1488]

Added on later by people who didn't realize it was allegorical.@@tree2800

[@gillifish]

Drew, I just want to pop in and say I feel so SAFE here in this community you’ve created. I have loads of severe religious trauma and I feel like this is the only space I can truly speak my mind and don’t feel alone: as we all have many similar experiences and thoughts. I usually avoid situations like this (due to religious trauma and not wanting to be in an echo chamber) but it speaks to that old, still programmed, part of me that feels safe within the group. Thank you. This doesn’t feel toxic, or hateful, or like I’ve done anything wrong. I love you all for that.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I’m so glad you feel safe and heard here! Best wishes to you as you heal ❤️

[@nevbaker7642]

I suspect you speak for more people than you realise.

[@colinmacdonald5732]

How lovely to be where your cherished beliefs aren't challenged. I see a bright glorious future where the correct view is imposed with force and all arguments are banned.

[@nevbaker7642]

@colinmacdonald5732 the second part of what you said was concerning. It's exactly what Christian Nationalists stand for.

[@colinmacdonald5732]

@@nevbaker7642 I'm a Christian, not sure what the Nationalists are, but right now it's the secularists wanting to lock you up for being on the wrong side of the sexual wars.

[@LettaLeeJoy]

That last note really hits the nail on the head. The thing is though, half the appeal of religion and especially Christianity is that it gives people the sense that they're special little chosen ones with holy knowledge. So suggesting to them that they aren't some divinely inspired sage and that their opinions are no more special than anyone else's, that feels like an attack to them. I speak from personal experience.

[@m3ntyb]

based copium, in the true sense of phrase.

[@graysonogle7630]

It's true, but you can say the same thing about Jews and Muslims. They all think they're God's chosen people. That they're special.

[@beans3977]

Essentially it exist to give people hope. But that hope can often times go to their head

[@mayaasan7201]

Go ahead y'all ,feel proud to fantasize and get excited about worshipping other people's disgusting sh!t filled body organs. What's wrong with this generation. If you are a perv then go be one, don't force your philosophy on others. Sex was only legal for procreation or else it's just molesting someone and getting excited about sadistically using and abusing someone who's obviously going to give consent because of some reason or the other. Just because someone "consented" to something doesn't make it legal. Consensual torture isn't legal. Watching pornography and objectifying another human body is worse than any animals. We don't know what situation made that pornstar do such a thing, maybe they're were forced coerced or threatened by pimps. I cannot believe the raging jealousy of disbelievers. Just because religion teaches you to be a little humans and respect yourself doesn't make it a horrific crime. What's horrific is the amount of rape that's happening around the world. What's horrific is women being trafficked into sex rings, what's horrific is mothers of children forced out of poverty and turn to selling their bodies and acting like pigs fornication to please her viewers, horrific is all the women and young boys who get sexually assaulted and their abuser makes them watch sexually deviating videos and movies while abusing them. Horrific is Hollywood actresses who step father abused them and now constantly watches their sex scene which they were forced to shoot out of hunger and homelessness. Everything related with sex is selfish disgusting demeaning and horrific . And the audacity of people to praise sexual activities after witnessing all the abuse sex got people into!?😢😢😢😢

[@AzaleaJane]

Everybody wants to be Daddy's Big Special Boy

[@mehrcat1]

Interestingly the word 'celibate' just means 'not married' in French and Latin. There is no connotation about sexual abstinence.

[@GameFuMaster]

the word heresy also means choice in greek

[@stylis666]

In a time where marriage was considered an STD-prevention, it makes sense that celibacy is considered not having sex. Not that that ever made sense in actual reality, but you know, people, they're not always the most realistic, but many do love their pretenses and status.

[@theCosmicQueen]

it means a person who doesn't have sex. THAT is what it means in English.

[@stylis666]

@@theCosmicQueen And English was the language the bible was written in? And it was also the language that Roman and French historians from a thousand years ago spoke?

[@remilenoir1271]

Use your brain, please. Sex isn't allowed outside of marriage in Christianity. In that context, celibacy absolutely does have a connotation with sexual abstinence, and, even more than a a simple connotation, is actually a synonym for abstinence. Celibacy = no marriage No marriage = no sex Celibacy = no sex.

[@hypergraphic]

What a nice summary of the wild and crazy history of Christians and sex! What's so ironic is that for many Jews throughout history, getting married and raising a family was such an integral part of spiritual life, but because of the personal quirks of a few guys, generations have fought against their natural urges. It's a perfect example of the idea that it's insane to try to be normal in a culture that is insane or sick.

[@AllDogsAreGoodDogs]

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

[@johnferguson4089]

As an ex-Baptist, I've heard all of this rubbish from a couple of Baptist ministers. It robbed me of 50 years of my life and even though I've been out of the Baptist cult for around 30 years now, I find that I'm still shaking off many of the stupid ideas. If religion actually helps some people, that's fine, just don't expect me to go along with all their stupid ideas.

[@Cloneeskikj]

As lavender coffee said sex is like breathing its not a bad thing

[@torglesnarfprime]

GMS, thanks for being a logical but empathetic voice, man. If not for you, I'd either be a mean christian or a mean atheist. Hail yourself!

[@mayaasan7201]

Go ahead y'all ,feel proud to fantasize and get excited about worshipping other people's disgusting sh!t filled body organs. What's wrong with this generation. If you are a perv then go be one, don't force your philosophy on others. Sex was only legal for procreation or else it's just molesting someone and getting excited about sadistically using and abusing someone who's obviously going to give consent because of some reason or the other. Just because someone "consented" to something doesn't make it legal. Consensual torture isn't legal. Watching pornography and objectifying another human body is worse than any animals. We don't know what situation made that pornstar do such a thing, maybe they're were forced coerced or threatened by pimps. I cannot believe the raging jealousy of disbelievers. Just because religion teaches you to be a little humans and respect yourself doesn't make it a horrific crime. What's horrific is the amount of rape that's happening around the world. What's horrific is women being trafficked into sex rings, what's horrific is mothers of children forced out of poverty and turn to selling their bodies and acting like pigs fornication to please her viewers, horrific is all the women and young boys who get sexually assaulted and their abuser makes them watch sexually deviating videos and movies while abusing them. Horrific is Hollywood actresses who step father abused them and now constantly watches their sex scene which they were forced to shoot out of hunger and homelessness. Everything related with sex is selfish disgusting demeaning and horrific . And the audacity of people to praise sexual activities after witnessing all the abuse sex got people into!?😭😥😥😥

[@Lumberjack_king]

It’s good to kind

[@awkwardukulele6077]

I always pop back onto GM’s and Antibot’s channels when I’m feeling overly angry or lacking in patience. They’re such good examples of compassionately disagreeing with even the worst kinds of nonsense. It makes dealing with the same things personally much easier.

[@izzybelisle3550]

What I got from this is that there's definitely potential for a non-binary Christian movement

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

It already is androgynous since its essentially a post-dionysian, the thing catholics & prots neglect to mention (ironically Islam makes this clearer) is that god is technically genderless and thus was manifested on earth as an androgynous male.

[@alexdavidson7498]

Or trans man.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

You could easily make the case that Jesus was a trans man, and that he was gay or asexual. So you could just say you're following his example.

[@rainbowkrampus]

I mean, yeah? The whole point of starting with Mark Driscoll is that you can read into the text whatever you want and find some justification for it. The problem is that if you decide that doing so is a valid thing to do, you then have no grounds from which to criticize people like Driscoll. You'd both be using the same method to arrive at different conclusions. Neither capable of gainsaying the other because you'd both be stuck arguing meaning and intent from people who have been dead nearly two thousand years. We see this play out every day and across time. This whole video is a small slice of the long history of this intragroup conflict over meaning playing out.

[@beans3977]

Or you could just be trans/non binary without being christian

[@joshuabittar]

Teacher: Paul, this is the 5th time this week that you present your distate for sex to the class.

[@Skip6235]

The idea that Jesus was a TIRM, “Trans-Inclusionary Radical Misogynist” is hilarious

[@darrenk284]

The thing with castration is that it doesn't really work. Whether it's because the adrenal glands produce enough testosterone to keep it going or some other reason, people who've been castrated or even emasculated after the start of puberty can definitely maintain a sex drive.

[@j.d.buchanan4897]

Yeah, but they can't do anything about it

[@okima1911]

​​@@j.d.buchanan4897well sexual desire can appear in different ways. Like if it's can't be released traditional way, it can be through rather extreme ways like sadomasochystic tendencies and other types of debauchery

[@elihinze3161]

Another amazing video! I love Thecla; it's cool to imagine how different Christianity might've looked today had she not been so minimized.

[@chagatainouveau]

Do remember, folks, our societies are still riddled with remnants of such repressive perspectives regarding sexuality. A lot of things taken for granted as mores in our society, what's considered shameful or indecent, have their bases in this sort of nonsense.

[@ameennasar2583]

Have you noticed this? The celibacy view contradicts with the homophobia in Abrahamic religions. After all, it is all about the concept of conception, right? Atleast in Islam, marriage is compulsory, thereby removing this paradox (apologetics focus on the paradoxes of other religions and forget theirs own 😅). But there are many sects, making this more confusing. Can you give a reason for why a celibate society be concerned about homosexuality?

[@chagatainouveau]

@@ameennasar2583 It's probably more about shunning unusual sexual preferences than conception specifically, considering how paranoid about sex the religion's mores generally are. Islam is more internally consistent about this angle indeed, but it too reflects a shallow understanding of the utility and range of sexual activity, how being too restrictive impacts well-being, and compulsory marriage is oppressive in its own right. Islam also has very repressive mores about modesty and the status of women in marriage.

[@monus782]

Also the concept of virginity (used to kill women who lose it too early and shame men who keep it for too long) is one of those leftovers and for the most part it's mostly a social construct (like gender) since there's little biological basis for it even though some still insist that the hymen is proof of it for women, in Catholicism many women were canonized as "holy virgins" and martyrs and some women still do the vow of consecrated virgin which is something between being a laywoman and a nun. I'm really starting to think the Catholic faith I was part of for most of my life is mostly leftovers from late antiquity and the early Middle Ages and I can see why this lifestyle may have been attractive to people back then, my problem is when many of these concepts are applied to the modern age and insist people today still follow it (a more messed up example is Maria Goretti who was canonized in the 1950's for basically dying before allowing herself to be violated by a guy who later repented, she was 11 when she was killed).

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@monus782yeah this is why i don’t like organized religion believing and god and the afterlife is great everything else seems to just be there to hurt and manipulate people

[@stylis666]

@@Lumberjack_king Are you okay with "holy" books then? Because it seems to me that a lot of them can easily be interpreted to be homophobic, and a neighbour who isn't in organized religion could easily believe that his god will hate and torture him forever if he expresses his love to another man in an enthusiastically consensual and phsyical way. And there is no way to show that his interpretation is wrong. If on the other hand you're in a toxic society that ridicules homosexuality, you can at least show that to be baseless and dysfunctional, and homosexuality to be perfectly healthy, and thus the norm to ridicule homosexuality to be backwards, and that the toxicity should be ridiculed instead. You can't do that with an unfalsifiable god who supposedly knows things we do not. Although I can show why for many reasons all god beliefs should be ridiculed and discouraged in that and other ways. For instance religious faith requires and encourages "justifying" beliefs with only fallacies and thinking errors because there is no rational justification for believing in (a) god(s) that is correct and healthy. That's abusive and extremely unhealthy to encourage and practice. It's just that if you accept or endorse any kind of god belief, you throw away all basis on which you can say that any interpretation is correct or false.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey Drew! Great timing as I am currently reading a book on this very topic. Excited to see what you all have to say. Thanks for the great work!

[@ladyethyme]

What book??

[@andrewlitfin1977]

I would *love* to read such a book! What’s the title?

[@KarmasAB123]

Title, please

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

I hope it’s Unprotected Texts by Dr. Jennifer Knust. That book inspired this video

[@KarmasAB123]

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic You should put that in the description

[@noodlesofrubber]

7:00 Jesus invented trans men

[@LeChapeauMusic]

As a Greek who's read the original text, I can confirm that the NIV has got it right.

[@hackman669]

You could read ancient Greek, Hebrew and Latin? Bible scrolls 📜 are written in these languages. 😆

[@LeChapeauMusic]

@@hackman669 I understand Ancient Greek very well, and a little bit of Latin with assistance. I do not know any Hebrew. The original text of the New Testament was written in Ancient Greek, and all the English translations are actually based on that. Now here's another reason why the text of the Gospels is not that reliable: Jesus spoke Aramaic, but these are all written in Greek. There might be mistakes even in the original text.

[@hackman669]

Cool 😎🆒️😎

[@outermarker5801]

I'll return to this later as it's fascinating, but always struck at 'the man was not deceived' So...bro is supposedly the 'perfect' human, but when the supposedly 'imperfect' female was 'deceived' he didn't correct her? Didn't bro get the same instruction not to eat the apple? Didn't he _choose_ to disobey that instruction? Why does he get a pass? It's almost like this stuff was made up by a bronze age misogynist 🤣

[@PixieoftheWood]

Another thing...Eve wasn't deceived. God says 'if you eat the fruit of the tree, you'll die the day you eat it'. The snake says 'you won't die, you'll gain knowledge of good and evil'. She eats the tree, gains knowledge of good and evil and doesn't die until many years later. Eve's 'sin' was calling out God's lie and not obeying authority when said authority is dishonest.

[@juanausensi499]

@@marvinmallette6795 Interesting, but i can't find any meaningful relation between 'tree of knowledge of good and evil' and 'sex'.

[@mayaasan7201]

Go ahead y'all ,feel proud to fantasize and get excited about worshipping other people's disgusting sh!t filled body organs. What's wrong with this generation. If you are a perv then go be one, don't force your philosophy on others. Sex was only legal for procreation or else it's just molesting someone and getting excited about sadistically using and abusing someone who's obviously going to give consent because of some reason or the other. Just because someone "consented" to something doesn't make it legal. Consensual torture isn't legal. Watching pornography and objectifying another human body is worse than any animals. We don't know what situation made that pornstar do such a thing, maybe they're were forced coerced or threatened by pimps. I cannot believe the raging jealousy of disbelievers. Just because religion teaches you to be a little humans and respect yourself doesn't make it a horrific crime. What's horrific is the amount of rape that's happening around the world. What's horrific is women being trafficked into sex rings, what's horrific is mothers of children forced out of poverty and turn to selling their bodies and acting like pigs fornication to please her viewers, horrific is all the women and young boys who get sexually assaulted and their abuser makes them watch sexually deviating videos and movies while abusing them. Horrific is Hollywood actresses who step father abused them and now constantly watches their sex scene which they were forced to shoot out of hunger and homelessness. Everything related with sex is selfish disgusting demeaning and horrific . And the audacity of people to praise sexual activities after witnessing all the abuse sex got people into!?😢😢😢😢

[@eliseintheattic9697]

That's something I point out a lot. Eve was persuaded to eat the forbidden fuit by the "subtlest creature in the garden", but Adam was just talked into it by Eve. 😊

[@ジュレジュ]

@@marvinmallette6795 When you put it like that this would make really good fanfic

[@AJSai3007]

I don't know that the writers of the Gospels were smoking and/or drinking when they wrote these things, but I don't want anything to do with them.

[@gilgabro420]

It's funny that they thought that woman are inferior in light of the fact that woman are more resistant to genetic defacts because they have two 2 X chromosomes.

[@stetsonscott8209]

It's unlikely they thought of women as inferior in comparison to Roman social norms. It is more likely that they were scorned for placing women in leadership positions as Christ did.

[@xander2853]

Christians in the year 100,000 still waiting for Jesus to come back.

[@tom-kz9pb]

They will be soooooo disappointed by then, if they have not managed to elect crackpot leaders who get us into nuclear holocaust that obliterates us all. Christians: is there any upper time limit at all, where you would be forced to admit that the charade is over?

[@Catthepunk]

Real

[@halcyonzenith4411]

He was just going to the store for cigarettes....he'll be right back any minute

[@ChipsMcClive]

Man, I hope humanity lasts that long.

[@seanbaltazar4601]

Not seeing many people mention it but i gotta say, the eunich harry potter clip was HILARIOUS! Me and my wife had to pause for a minute just to get our laughs out

[@mercy2351]

The idea that the first person was originally androdynous has been frequently discussed in Jewish texts through to the present day. Perhaps Christian texts eventually left this part of the tradition out, but Jewish texts throughout the intervening years can be found to mention this.

[@Sapphonouveau]

Whilst I don't think it's as well known in contemporary Christian circles, from my *personal* experience, it's definitely something that has come up in sermons and teaching, and I'm from a fairly middle of the road Anglican (Episcopalian in the US) background :)

[@jeanne-marie8196]

If christians never elevated Paul, we would all be better off…..still screwed-up, but a smidge less

[@Badficwriter]

If some Christians hadn't edited Paul to put their own words in his mouth, we would also have been better off.

[@TheInfectous]

@@Badficwriter if we had the words of jesus instead of 2000 years of translations and revisions we would definitely be off in a different way! Maybe better, maybe worse, we have no clue what was actually said!

[@1332ccs]

I love the idea of androgyny being the ideal human form omg You may not like it, but this is what peak human performance looks like.

[@Lumberjack_king]

I mean it makes sense you accend beyond the need to reproduce

[@Warrior_Culture]

​@@Lumberjack_king"Accend" "beyond". I would call losing the need to reproduce devolving. It's part of humanity, and seeing androgynous people as somehow an improvement probably comes from the unhealthy place that culture puts gender-differences today. Giving up humanity and/or sacrificing things that make you human might be a transition but it certainly isn't an ascension.

[@12DAMDO]

as someone who for some reason looks naturally androgynous i can now finally say that i'm peak human performance lmao

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@Warrior_Culture I wasn't really serious about it though I do believe in the afterlife and the soul so I believe we leave our body when we die so yeah gender is all in the body not soul

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@12DAMDO lol

[@auggiet8380]

That whole long pause while looking at the camera and nodding was perfectly timed and made me laugh lol

[@AGodlessLife]

Just imagine how cursed and strictly prohibited it would be if it were not required for procreation. In my opinion, the reason sex is even allowed in some religions and denominations is due to the ripe potential of indoctrination through their already devout members having children, because that was the easiest way to spread their teachings.

[@BeachsideHank]

There is a reason why religion goes after the young and impressionable instead of the aged and the scholarly; *as the twig is bent, so grows the tree.*

[@reichstein011]

Hearing a biblical scholar refer to Adam as a "critter" at 14:11 cracked me up. Pure gold! :)

[@Angelmou]

Critter comes from creature aka created thing as orignal word root. As in religions humans are seen as created they are referred to creatures or critters correctly, especially when it sounds strange if you usually would use "critter" as slur to belittle lifeforms.

[@Doug-tq7ry]

At 5:17, right after he said, "This excerpt discusses femininity is pretty revealing" I got a manscaped commercial

[@Arthurian_Rabbit]

I've always found this subject fascinating from an anthropological standpoint, and depressing from an emotional/psychological standpoint. Unfortunately, many Christians aren't even educated on the views of sex and how they've changed over time in their own religion. So much so that videos that discuss the topic tend to piss them off. I did a video this year called: "Why the Fay", which discusses Morgana Le Fay's devolution from Goddess, to high priestess, to wanton femme fatale harlot in Arthurian literature via the spread of Romanized Christianity in the British isles, and boy it didn't go over well. Especially in modern times, the blinders of the damage that mentality has caused over the ages are quite thic.

[@MK-dr7dx]

Ooh, I'll have to check that out. It's a pity that being a Christian seems to necessarily involve a defensive stance toward their own beliefs to the point that they are insulted by the very idea that their beliefs are a culmination of countless ideas changing over the course of centuries, and that their beliefs might bear little resemblance to those of their predecessors. As a non-religious person with no personal investment in any set of religious beliefs, I think it's fascinating to see how ideas surrounding religion have changed over the years.

[@FuzzyFoot58]

Its incredible how anyone could ever believe that any of this nonsense was true.

[@alexrogers777]

Peer pressure is a powerful thing

[@FuzzyFoot58]

@@alexrogers777 And also indoctrination from a very young age. Im lucky that my mom, who believed in Jesus, chose to not raise me and my siblings in a religious home. She believed it was up to us to choose what we believed for ourselves when we got old enough.

[@alexvig2369]

Fascinating! I'm Christian but I love learning about ancient culture and how they perceived the world

[@raulvidal2343]

"The art/science of judging someone's character by their physical appearance". Sounds like a joke book written by a preschool cartoon villain.

[@cobrasys]

Or, you know, a modern-day far-right author.

[@chewxieyang4677]

There's actually a name for that. Phernology. Though it's more measuring skull shapes.

[@Th3BigBoy]

​@cobrasys It happens on both sides of the aisle. Saying anything less betrays an agenda.

[@cobrasys]

@@Th3BigBoy I don't see any left-leaning authors writing books about how you should judge people by how they look, but feel free to link me some, if you know of any.

[@Badficwriter]

@@cobrasys Its a common trope in stories. The movie Unbreakable pointed out the tendency for villains to be portrayed with 'something wrong' to their appearance, while heroes were usually perfect. Its unfortunate but people are often 'creeped out' by deformity and handicaps. The neurodivergent. People are even today told to pay attention to feeling creeped out, there might be something dangerous about that person. Of course, using pity to disarm is a known villainous tactic, and every Dungeons and Dragons player knows the cliche of a beautiful captive who is secretly a monster who plans to kill you. These were considered twists because they were playing with the appearance expectations.

[@MetaphorUB]

“Theo-bro” is now my new favorite word.

[@cobrasys]

The 16 seconds of silence followed by a Harry Potter meme, of all things, had me literally LOLing here.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

Why would God say "be fruitful and multiply" if Sex was a Sin?

[@nenmaster5218]

Why would you like your comment, which is useless seen as 'pretty weak'?

[@judhitenorio688]

Im loving the more humorist vibe of the videos, please continue to make them like this Its sooo good!!!

[@neuralnetwork17]

I'd like to point out that this Roman view of women as inferior versions of men was not universal, even then. One notable exception from the first century is the philosopher Musonius Rufus.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

Musonius Rufus was also exiled from Rome for impiety, so, not a particularly widely shared set of beliefs.

[@vedanshshandilya]

This paul dude just sounds like a high school guy who's crush rejected him and now he's tryna cope real hard

[@RialVestro]

What do you mean ANCIENT Christian Beliefs about sex WERE wild? That implies those beliefs aren't still a thing today. It might be less common now but there are still people who think this way.

[@Scotialives1]

Lust did doom humanity and families, have you ever seen the internet.

[@austin.luther]

Man-eating seals struck down by divine lightning? Are we sure ancient theologians weren't just writing down their ideas for a D&D campaign? And yea, the Lord spoke unto his people, saying, "Roll for initiative."

[@philip8498]

jesus appears to have rolled a nat 1 on initiative. thats why it takes him ages to do anything. billions of people get to do their turns first.

[@austin.luther]

@philip8498 Nothing more infuriating than the healer being knocked unconscious at the start of the fight and they never wake up because they keep failing the fort save.

[@paulchapman8023]

“Jesus saves; the rest take full damage.”

[@philip8498]

@@austin.luther is jesus a healer tho? or just the king of all tanks? tanking all the damage of hell so humans dont have to. this makes more sense the more i think about it.

[@amycox5733]

@@philip8498im leaning towards a healer. I mean, he was obviously a cleric who used revivify on that guy Lazarus

[@jaya1000]

Youd think at some point these people would look eachother in the eyes and say "maybe we dont know what we're talking about" 🤷‍♂️

[@wakeangel2001]

It's interesting how pretty much all the biblical attitudes and prescriptions on sex are noted today as toxic relationships that are harmful to people, especially young people. Like how the bible says you should get married if you're too horny to not have sex, and the leading cause of divorce and domestic violence is people getting married to someone they weren't compatible with because they wanted to have sex. Also I kind of wish they succeeded at this, because if they followed these ideas that you shouldn't have sex then Christians would have gone extinct from not having any children and we wouldn't have had to deal with them since 1 generation after the founding.

[@redwater3338]

Citation needed. Where is the data on this leading cause of divorce and abuse?

[@NA-vz9ko]

That’s the thing, the practices of celebrate Christianity mostly did go extinct. Naturally by process of social selection, Christianity which valued overbreeding proliferated over those forms of worship.

[@redwater3338]

Overbreeding? How would you not "overbreed"@@NA-vz9ko

[@wakeangel2001]

@@redwater3338 divorce statistics, I'm just some dude making a youtube comment so I'm no kind of authority, but this very channel has videos on the topic that DO have plenty of citations

[@fawnieee]

​@@redwater3338 here, I'll help you. Go onto google or any search engine, type in "leading causes of divorce" and then read those studies until you're satisfied.

[@tinman1955]

"Is sex dirty? Only when it's being done right." -Woody Allen

[@justaalien7086]

20:01 - 20:18. 17 seconds of awkward silence is the perfect response to what was just discussed.

[@kamishin7135]

"I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males" wait so ancient people had fantasies to transform women into men? Huh, neat

[@Dr_Wrong]

2:38 Shame is a social phenomenon. "Society" intentionally creates "propriety." As such, Society, unknowingly also *_requires_* privacy; some place where *_unavoidable_* "shameful deeds" _(such as pooping, bathing, dressing ..even {perhaps?} sex)_ may be effected without "offending proper sensibilities." Creating "propriety" without also creating privacy is the essence dystopia. Anything done privately cannot be "shameful." Attempting to "shame" someone like this is super judgey.

[@SrValeriolete]

😅

[@billpetersen298]

If people didn’t take this so damn seriously. To fit their own narrative. This would be, pure comedy. I’d love to see, some Neanderthal stone texts, on these topics.

[@carloguerrero6583]

You'd probably find crude joke after crude joke. I even bet the first thing you'll find is a bigass pillar they couldn't even lift carved with "this here's my gun"

[@theRiver_joan]

As a trans Christian, this was weirdly kind of healing. Seeing how wildly views on sex and gender have varied among Christian’s throughout history, really helps me counter my dads voice in my head saying that my Christianity isn’t “real” just because I don’t adhere to his social conservatism and believe god doesn’t hate gays and think women are lesser degrees of human. Christians have held some wild beliefs about sex and gender, I don’t understand how many Christian’s still can’t separate out these obvious human biases from Gods message of infinite love for all living beings. Thank you very much for making this video, it was weirdly inspiring!

[@UsenameTakenWasTaken]

Always fun to point out that most leftist atheists are far, far more Christ like in their behavior and attitudes towards others than any conservative Christian ever will be.

[@masstv9052]

I have issue with the last part of your post. 1) If you read the Old testament, God most definitely didn't have love for all people. And 2) In the new testament, Christ says he hasn't come to change a single thing regarding the Old testament laws (which includes stoning, and other punishments from the old testament. While modern Christians have altered their practices over the 2000 years, because of societal changes towards how things like war is done, how punishments are carried out (no cruel & unusual punishments, etc)......... These things have gotten better because we've become a more secular society, not because the bible commands it. Christians & Jews had to change their practices & message towards punishments, practices during war, etc. because we formed nations that exist under a rule of law. But you can see this paradigm also existing in islamic countries today. you can see a contrast between more secular islamic nations, and those existing under religious rule and following their religious teachings (stoning people over sexual practices, cutting off peoples hands for crimes, hanging or stoning people if they say something negative about Islamic religion.) Yet in more secular islamic countries, they range from following more modern secular punishments like jail, to doing lesser physical punishments (like public canning, or public execution that doesn't involve stoning, etc) They also get a trial in the legal system by a real judge in more secular nations, unlike religious ran states where they're just dragged into the street by family, neighbors, or village elders, to get stoned by the whole community. So I don't believe all the modern interpretations that "God is love", and other things that monotheists of Abrahamic religions tell me. Compared to other religions, from India, to Japan. The Abrahamic God is the most violent, most murdering, and wrathful God out of any other religions. The old testament has him commanding abortions, m@rdering babies by beating them against rocks, murdering whole town's killing all men, women, and children and only taking female child V!rgins as $ex slaves.

[@Xinime]

​@@masstv9052 Literally, every single one of your Bible interpretations of your last paragraph is factually incorrect, especially the one about virgin slaves. It's what happens when you apply modern innuendoes to ancient text without understanding context. 😆

[@theRiver_joan]

@@masstv9052 that’s fair, but I don’t believe in the Bible as the inerrant word of god, nor the teachings and practices of the church to be the will of god. (This sign can’t stop me because I can’t read) 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@aerialenthusiast7435]

@@theRiver_joanhow are you a Christian if you do not believe the Bible? The Bible is integral to the Christian faith. Genuinely curious

[@nilssturman5258]

You owe me a new keyboard... I was drinking as you mentioned the Black Metal comment. 🙂

[@graysonogle7630]

Thanks for making your videos. I'm currently deconstructing my beliefs and your story has been a comfort.

[@Uryvichk]

I think there's some debate as to whether Origen actually DID self-castrate, which always struck me as one of those things that ought to have been really easy to confirm if anybody had cared to.

[@hypergraphic]

I forget which city state it was in Anatolia, but there were some pagan celebrations, where each year men would publicly castrate themselves as an act of worship to a particular goddess. It's crazy what people can do based on a belief.

[@ManuelCampagna]

Origen mistakenly believed that desire was in his appendages. Having accomplished this, he found out that desire is in the head.

[@valerielusa8000]

Sex hormones like testosterone play a big role in libido, it's likely that cutting your balls off actually would decrease horniness significantly (source: am 🏳️‍⚧️ woman)

[@johnhavel7685]

That pause after the eunuchs got me lol

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

Androgynous is not sеxLESS, androgynous is OF BOTH sеxes.

[@Sshodan]

Honestly... I always felt this whole thing was bizarre - growing a life inside yourself, carting a soul seams to me the closest thing a human could do to touch the divine... If creating life is what god does than how can you view a direct instrument of bringing it in to the world - a woman body, as anything less than deserving of respect? And with christian martyrdom, the fact that it is so difficult, dangerous and painful should have been a "ticked straight to haven" kind of thin... But no, who cares about the logic of your won doctrine? Church wants power, so they are going to twist things in to knots as hard as it takes to make black and white switch places to get that power.

[@alexandermueller4115]

That is actually correct christian teaching, that is why the early and many modern Christian women wore head coverings, they are viewed as holy vessels. Interestingly enough, almost all teaching that show women as less than men comes from outside christian teaching.

[@thunderpooch]

religion = bullshit jobs

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

People at the time did not realize the woman's role in reproduction. There really was no way of knowing. Sperm is obvious, an ovum isn't. So it was thought that the new life comes entirely from the man, and the woman is merely like fertile ground which the man 'sows'.

[@ennuiblue4295]

Can you talk about St. Catherine of Siena? She changed doctrine from suffering to good works. If everyone starves to death they won't have any serfs eh?

[@monkmchorning]

The absence of sex would doom humanity, too. Too much hierarchical and binary thinking going on here. Maybe that's why we called this period the Dark Ages.

[@StealthTheUnknown]

The ideological fixation on sex and how it's talked about makes me wonder whether they're not just simultaneously obsessed with and ashamed of it. Also makes me wonder about what that has to say about the endless sexual and pedophilic scandals the church seems to be plagued with.

[@erictaylor5462]

Repression of sexual desires makes a person more aggressive and quicker to anger. This was even mentioned in Orwell's 1984. In the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, Emmanuel Goldstein explains that sexual desire must be suppressed by the State, else the people will form bonds to each other that will be more powerful than their loyalty to the State. In addition, suppression of these natural desires will increase the person's aggression. This aggression can then be used by the State against the enemies of the state. Nineteen Eighty-Four was written in 1949 and even then the link between sexual repression and human aggression were already known. In Western Culture society began to relax the prohibitions against sex in the 1960's and 70's. And with that people were become more chill. Then in the late 1970's and early 1980's a new, deadly disease started showing up. It was known very early on that the disease was not only associated with sex, it was associated with *GAY* sex. Of course the American Evangelicals jumped on that right away, and they started saying it was a punishment from God even before it was officially called Aides. And that was the end of the sexual revolution. Now we have people flipping out and shooting at each other for such trivial reasons as "he cut me off." There is really only one reason to suppress your sexual desires. Sexually repressed people are easier for the government to control. I say fuck the government, and fuck your friends and neighbors. The former metaphorically and the latter literally.

[@k-berry8771]

16 seconds of dead silence as the realization hits...

[@stuffynosepatrol]

7:00 Jesus said transrights

[@markthefan]

Yassss🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵

[@nightshade7240]

And also gay rights, considering Matthew 19 in cultural context and original language.

[@paulchapman8023]

Isn’t “eunuch” an old word for male-to-female trans people? I’m pretty sure he said that eunuchs were blessed too.

[@stuffynosepatrol]

@@paulchapman8023 I think it's just another word for a man who has been castrated but it could mean that too I suppose

[@nightshade7240]

@@paulchapman8023no, it has nothing to do with being trans. Eunuch in the three instances jesus outlines is essentially being useless to a woman for the purpose of procreation, whether by birth (gay), by human intervention (the modern understanding of castration making you a eunuch) and also by choice to put aside procreation to follow god. Now unless you are going to argue that jesus was saying people should castrate themselves to follow his path, especially as he himself was not castrated, then you can't use that meaning. Now there are stories like with Origen and how he castrated himself without anyone knowing but that's not how that works. Then you have the being useless from birth concept. You don't come out of the womb castrated and any medical understanding of the conditions one can be born with would be anachronistic knowledge for the time period. In fact where a woman failed to give birth or was considered barren, is most likely because of issues with the man and the woman wasn't barren at all. In those times though, fault always fell to a woman to justify a man's impotence. Nope, jesus is talking about being born gay and how gay men are useless for procreation because of the nature of their birth. As we know choice is such an important thing, so to are any aspects that make you useless for procreation. Now you can argue that gay men can still have sex and still procreate but that's a purely biological consideration and is contextually not what is being referred to.

[@RychaardRyder]

7:03 Jesus is pro trans men and honestly thats so yass of him

[@paulchapman8023]

“Blessed are the eunuchs” is about as pro-trans as you could be in the 1st century.

[@lovemelucifer]

Omg tehehehehheh I’m going to enter the kingdom of Heaven :333 Or maybe not, cuz I’m a Satanist-

[@Colddirector]

Broke Jesus: Gay sex bad 😡 🤓 Woke Jesus: ✨ Trans Men Superior To Cis women ✨

[@louiecampbell8227]

No sex. At all. That’s the best way to end Christianity. Although there is a downside to this.

[@naturbursche5540]

How do you get Muslims to believe this?

[@eagercadet4059]

My dad told me that in some versions lilith, adam's first wife was banished because she wanted to be equals

[@naraferalina2308]

Damn. She was right to leave him.

[@trikitrikitriki]

So what I'm hearing is that I've got my ticket to heaven secured.

[@cryptomancer2927]

When I've heard people saying that if you don't read the KJV of the bible your going to hell, I honestly believe they just regurgitate what their ignorant preacher fed them.

[@baronghede2365]

I am a pagan and member of the occult and come from a Christian Baptist background, I'm thankful I left it, Blessed Be.

[@Reed5016]

Same.

[@vls3771]

When i was a member of my then large 5000 plus size penticostal church (they often preached on lust). i had a renovation building company the pastor had me look at some work needed on his home we agreed on a starting time and we began working on a wall in the bedrooms wing 2 large wardrobes with lower draws needed to be moved and the wardrobes slid forward to gain access to the wall when we removed the lower draws the cavity between the draws and the floor had several adult toys for women dildoes /vibrators etc. We were able to repair the wall and replaced the wardrobes and drawers next day we realised the bedrooms belonged to his 2 daughters, one the youth leader, the other a bible college student and worship leader ....we agreed to keep the find to ourselves to save embaressing anyone that wasnt necessary but it gave us some laughs at our lunch breaks .....

[@i_am_ironman3380]

Man, I've been a viewer of your channel for the past few years. I'm trying to get more spiritual again, but reason and your channel stand in the way. Good content

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Maybe it would help to reframe spirituality for you. I assume you want to become more spiritual because you feel it helps you in some way. In that case, is it more about belief, or rather ritual or meditative practice? I know lots of naturalists/atheists who practice rituals and meditation because it helps their mental heath. They practice spirituality without belief in the supernatural, because spirituality doesn’t have to only be about belief. I don’t want to prevent you from doing something that could help you, and I don’t think reason has to get in the way of spiritual practices meant to help your mind.

[@connorgrynol9021]

So when Paul says “sexual immorality” he just means sex? That’s crazy. See, I’ve only ever heard one biblical objection to sexual relationships with minors and it was sexual immorality. I thought it was a rather vague and open argument so that you use it for anything you don’t agree with (ie heterosexual anal sex). But if it just means sex, then virtually every evangelical Christian is wrong.

[@nightshade7240]

There are no biblical objections to sexual relationships with minors. The verse that is so often touted as either about homosexuality or paedophilia is about neither. It's about incest. There are Jewish texts that talk about children inheriting their brother's wives, how old a girl needs to be before you can have sex with her (three years and a day), how old a girl can be before you can marry her (nine years old.) Paedophilia was alive and well in the Hebrew and the Xtian world. Jesus says of the gay centurion that he has faith unlike any Jesus had seen but he didn't admonish him for having a gay lover who was most likely still a child or at most a teen. Sexual immorality is a complex topic, often relation to immorality from a ritual perspective, not a general moral perspective. Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of general immorality nor were they destroyed due to sexual immorality. They were destroyed because they failed in their observances of ritual morality. They were destroyed because they did not look after their least vulnerable. There is language used about that situation where vagueness does a lot of heavy lifting, even though the reasons are spelled out. Sexual immorality can also be definitionally to do with rape. Context is key.

[@connorgrynol9021]

@@nightshade7240 I am aware that there are no proper biblical objections. I knew that sexual immorality didn't refer to relationships with minors, I just didn't know what precisely it referred to. I suspected homosexuality, but I was never sure of the context. I appreciate the info.

[@eprd313]

​​@@nightshade7240on what passages do you base your claims? None sounds like based on the bible, except that paedophilia wasn't condemned

[@j.d.buchanan4897]

@@eprd313 Indeed, I'm pretty sure there's no mention in the gospels of Jesus meeting a gay centurion

[@JustAnotherLoverOfMusic]

@@j.d.buchanan4897 Both Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10 tell how a centurion asked Jesus to heal the young man referred to in the original Greek as his “pais” (παῖς). The word was commonly used for the younger partner in a same-sex relationship. It is usually translated into Engligh as boy, servant or slave. In recent years progressive Bible scholars have concluded that the centurion was in a homosexual relationship with the “slave who was dear to him” in the gospel story.

[@ChelseyK1ng]

7:01 "For every woman who will make herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" Bible says trans rights confirmed.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

I've experienced counseling a 18 year old man that wanted to castrate himself because of this verse. Yes really.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Seriously?! I didn’t think this reading was still a thing today

[@seand.g423]

​@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic which basically explains the continued existence of this entire channel...

[@a9ball1]

I've been married 33 years and if you ask my wife she will tell you that she is the superior one. However, we all bow to our kitty cats😊

[@lekiscool]

I’m an asexual agender person… but I’m still going to hell. 😂

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Certain early Christians would think you’re the ideal person. Holy af if you ask me

[@DarkPrincess_13]

Is agender and nonbinary the same thing?

[@raya.p.l5919]

​@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic ❤Jesus power ❤ energy field. Starting now.

[@nightshade7240]

@@DarkPrincess_13The short answer is no. The complicated answer is that "agender" means "without gender" thus removed from any question or definition of gender. Non-binary is still gendered but does not fit with the binary understandings of what gender is or can be. Non-binary being more like a third gendered category (for the sake of simplicity.) Non-binary and intersex are also not the same thing.

[@darkstarr984]

@@DarkPrincess_13Agender is definitely not a man or woman, so it’s a kind of nonbinary, but most nonbinary people like me, aren’t actually agender