Ancient Cosmologies & The Book of Enoch

Welcome to another Episode of Ring Them Bells!
In this video we explore how the story of Genesis 6 can be traced back to ancient near eastern neighbors of the Hebrew people. We discover that Scripture always has and always will be in conversation with the culture of its day. The supernatural framework of the Bible has been suppressed. Sacred ancient texts like the book of Enoch give a wealth of context that early authors and their audience were informed by and even reference in scripture. Books like Enoch have only recently come out of the shadows and Dr. Michael S. Heiser spearheaded an academic movement to give these texts more scriptural weight without needing to make them canonical.
What is a Cosmology?
Is the Bible informed by other cultures?
How do we understand truth?
The Topic of Scripture being in conversation with culture is at the forefront of my mind lately. Especially after our recent popular interview with author Nijay Gupta about his new book "Strange Religion."
Link to Full Interview- • Strange Religion - Ear...
The Scriptures and early followers of Jesus were in constant dialogue with the Greco Roman world. Both with what they did and what they didn’t do ealy believers defied the lesser ruling gods of the Roman world. With worship, religious practices, and even daily life these early followers of Jesus stood out specifically opposed to the Roman religion. Understanding this gives us an enormous amount of context to the New Testament and even mission of scripture.
There has been a consistent movement in the western church to hold back this information from the church. Not here at Ring Them Bells, We will continue to speak truth to power and truth to lies.
Links to source videos -
1)Heiser reversing Hermon Lecture - • Michael Heiser Rever...
2)Bible Project Podcast - Paradigm series - bibleproject.com/podcast/seri...
3)Bible Project Podcast - Cosmology series -bibleproject.com/podcast/seri...
4) Heiser- Did Biblical authors know and read Enoch?- • Did the BIBLICAL Write...
5)Heiser - Genesis is not the only creation account- • Genesis Is Not the ONL...
6) Enoch and azazel - the legends of History - • Azazel: The Angel Who ...
7) NtWright - Gospel - • What Is The Gospel? | ...
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[@ringthembells143]

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[@mephi654]

1) Jude said Enoch prophesied; he did not say that he wrote a book. 2) We cannot know if the book we have is what he may have written. 3) The book directly contradicts scripture when it says thing like “And through that oath” containing a ‘secret name’ the world was created (see chapter 69); as opposed to by the second person of the Godhead. 4) It teaches animism; as seen here: “69.22 And likewise the spirits of the water, of the winds, and of all the breezes, and their paths, according to all the groups of the spirits.“ FLEE FROM DEMONICALLY INSPIRED WORKS

[@TheAngeloMichael]

Listen to what Michael says, Enoch wrote the Book of Yeu/Yah.(Bruce Codex)He was a Priest /King he was anointed by Arch Angel Michael after the battle of the Chaos. Its in the Enmiduranki Scroll from Nineveh, the Shamash tablet and "The Pistis Sophia". Scripture is great but so few have the context and background they can't understand it, especially those who really don't study it and want to tell everyone else don't read. Listen to what Michael Heiser is telling you about the Annunaki, they have never been able to reconcile their deceptions and they are behind the Ancient Alien Agenda. The Enuma Elish is a fictional account of their barbarism. "The Pistis Sophia"( askew codex) is the "post resurrection "Mysteries of Light" discourse of the Savior, scribed and witnessed by Philip, Matthew and Thomas. It's the manual for the elect, righteous and sinners of our generation emanated from the 1st Ineffable space. It's full of scripture, the Key of David, it's likely the "Q" gospel. It's he antithesis of the Enuma Elish, the same event but opposite creation story from the resurrected Jesus himself. It's in Revelations, we are on a cycle. The Savior tells you all about Enoch, the 24 elders, the fall of the 3rd triple light power self will God that refused purification and wanted to rule over all matter worlds. The demiurge who emanated the Annunaki into the chaos to destroy us, we call him Lucifer, they are the guards at the gate born in ignorance. It's the story of our Cosmogenesis, the greater Universes of Light , the Ineffable spaces and much more. Sure he knew about Hades, he knows everything about the cosmos. He is the 1st Mystery, King of Kings, Light of Lights. The circuit is closing, our solar system is in the Chaos. We are from the mixture at the bottom of the zodical sphere, the refuse pile! chapter 100 read it let Jesus explain it you will know it is him! You are everything that ever was and ever will be, everything from the light power of the 5th helper from the Ineffable space mixed with the matters of Chaos and destruction at the bottom of the bottom, headed for the main purification event where the light must be purified from the matters to resume the expansion. Grace period is about done! Yeu/Yah/YWHW and Melchizedek will come through the galactic plate and destroy the asteroid belt , Hekate, and 4 other Arch demon hoards will be taken out and repelled into Jupiter. The Tempest will come across the Earth most likely North America. There is going a lot of wailing, they are going to destroy the wicked. Download the PS pdf, If you want the guide I can send you a link you can comprehend the physics better..

[@lynnekirkup984]

Appealing , not weird to us who " get it" though lol😊😊❤😂❤

[@katielouise3924]

Thanks so much for your videos! After Jesus returns and rules over God’s new heaven and new earth, I’d love to attend a God University, lol. I’ll read the Book of Enoch but I would love a 1st hand retelling of God’s creation of earth, the Divine Council, etc. It would be so cool to see a God’s movie on what happened.

[@raysantiago3750]

Dr. Michael Heizer has been a great blessing in my Christian walk. He was an incredible man of God. We will see him again in paradise. 🏜☝️😎❤️✝️🛐

[@rogercoleman8515]

4 pillars. Think axis. Gyroscopic dimension. Radius. This thinking both satisfies and revolves any of the flat or spherical issues for me. Somehow I never considered that genesis 6 or deuteronomy 32 was referring to sons of Israel. I don't recall what version I version I was reading those many years ago but it said sons of God and I immediately assumed that referred to angels. Many years later I read Enoch and it was no surprise to hear his account. Additionally the Hebrew thinking is not Linear as ours is in the west. I realized this very early on, which helped immensely in my search for understanding the scriptures. In truth I credit all this to Holy Spirit and His sovereign leading in my life very early on and since.

[@saladdays180s9]

Im with you 9n that one. Perhaps The torus and the laws of which are Torah and they conform to Mosaic Law. Everything cycling through gyroscopically. There seems to be counter rotation as well.

[@SDsc0rch]

sir! well done you are very articulate much appreciated here always a thumbs up from me : )

[@ringthembells143]

Praise God! Thanks for your encouragement!

[@immortalinchrist]

So last year, when I was researching the Dead Sea Scrolls, I was listening to Enoch, and there’s a whole visual description of the Lord in the heavens. I saw the heavens in my own way, and could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit. The next day I thought about how it was crazy that the women hooked up with the angels and then created all this sorcery in probably really upset God. And I don’t think it was their fault really in someways because I think the Angels just took them. That’s what the Bible says so they were probably raped or something and then you know the angel wife forced became the witches. So anyway, I had this whole God moment where I was crying to God about all women and how we’ve had a hard time here cause I’ve had a hard time until I came into Christ. And I could feel the presence of God and I was thinking about my dad who is a Southern Baptist and he’s like you know the KJV is the divinely inspired, which I believe to a certain extent, but I want to share this story because it’s important to this video. So I thought in my spirit, I need to look up the description of God in the Bible, and I kind of forgot about it in the next morning in my scripture study’s glory be to God randomly was the description of God and Daniel 7! And it is a very similar description to the book of Enoch. I feel like it was God sharing his presence, and maybe telling me that Enoch had some validity. There’s a lot of power in the Dead Sea Scrolls it’s very controversial and this is beautiful praise the Lord Christ

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

I was told by my priest Enoch is still in the King James and you could read it. One book of the Apcratha. Just was not to be used from the pulpit. It expalined a lot of the spritaul stuff for me and the pagan gods etc.

[@annairwin8147]

Read the book of Jude believed to have been Jesus’s half brother….He is coming sooner than we can imagine 🙏🤣

[@andrewwallen888]

Wonderful video my brother! The proper context & worldview teaching at its finest!!

[@ringthembells143]

Thank you sir!

[@JonahGhost]

Book of Jubilees is very informative as well

[@erichoehn8262]

Sometimes we loose the incarnational nature of Scripture

[@larrytalent6406]

Thank God for this beautiful glob we live in.🎉

[@wendyhoffman9472]

I always feel wicked smat after I listen to you guys. Thanks for that. Even so, come Lord Jesus!!

[@MomToEight]

I'm sharing this to my Bible study friends. It may shake their foundations, but in a good way.

[@ringthembells143]

Love your heart and willingness to share. My foundations have sure been shaken and now I’m grateful for the way God is rebuilding✌️❤️🔔

[@carpejkdiem]

foundations immovable simple. JESUS ❤= THE ROCK ONCE WAS LOST BUT NOW I'm found ations on Him. No spinning wobbling BA'AL chaos ball frm EMERALD TABLETS BOOK of THOTH 4 SO MANY

[@jasonleveck8546]

Augustine did a great disservice to the faithful and overall understanding of Heaven/Earth's history.

[@ringthembells143]

Agreed ✔️

[@ontheway5446]

Dude . Love the 🗝️🗝️🗝️🕊️🦚🕊️

[@anthonypassarelli5534]

Key key key, dove peacock dove?

[@davidzimmerman1354]

When I saw Heiser, Wright and Mackie I raised my eyebrows 🙌🏼

[@BobbyU808]

A very human-centric perspective on the relationship between scripture and extra-scriptural writings. Shalom

[@jaggedstarrPI]

Anthropocentric... cousin to one of my favorite words: anthropomorphize (Fun to just say, right? It's ascribing or projecting human qualities on to animals or inanimate objects. You probably knew that already; but just in case...).

[@DirkB4]

the word comes from the spirit..

[@SusanScifres-yq8bi]

What are the names of the 2 guys explaining this video?

[@user-gr3oo5ux9x]

The dreamstate is where all the action is

[@erichoehn8262]

I think Mike may have one detail about Augustine wrong. He became a Manichean in A.D. 373 and practiced it for about a decade. His conversion occurred in the late 380’s.

[@ThembaMaselane]

Couldn't his attempt to cut ties with that movement caused him to go to extremes theologically as reflected in some of his doctrinal positions that have sadly become institutional in western Christianity?

[@SDsc0rch]

fascinating

[@ringthembells143]

Right 🤯

[@davehenn6459]

Did you know that the word 'fascinating' actually means 'bewitched". Since I learned that (try a Webster's 1828 dictionary) I have stopped using that word. (This is not Dave btw, I'm on the hubby's yt.)

[@ontheway5446]

13 min in hieser brings up borrowing …. would you say borrowing can also mean begot or beget .

[@ThembaMaselane]

By obscuring the supernatural from Genesis 6vv1-4 verses 5-8 can be interpreted through the Augustinian grid of determinism in the teachings like original sin,total depravity, reprobation,election, etc..

[@deborahbabcock5309]

Thank you for your podcasts I've always been interested in prophecy. I always listen especially to Dr. Michael Heissner. We lost a great biblical scholar.

[@ringthembells143]

You are most welcome. we love Heiser as well❤️🔔✔️

[@glennfrick7975]

✡️Jesus ✝️Christ✡️ In the grand narrative of existence, the birthplace of a soul as radiant as Jesus Christ-be it Nazareth or Bethlehem-fades into the backdrop, for it’s not the geography that defines divinity but the journey. Picture this: a newborn’s first breath taken not amidst opulence but in the embrace of a humble stable, cradled in a manger. This singular act of beginning life amongst the beasts and beneath the stars whispers to us of a profound solidarity with the unseen and unheard masses. Indeed, was this not a declaration, from the very outset, of a mission intertwined with the plight of the proletariat? If the world had been a stage, then Jesus was its most paradoxical protagonist: born of a virgin, his entrance was wrapped in the mystery of the immaculate, yet he was as human as you and me, perhaps even more so, for in his humanity lay his divinity. The chronicles that attempt to capture his essence are muddied with contradictions, painted over by those seeking to bend his narrative to their will. Yet, beyond these attempts to obscure, the figure of Jesus Christ stands, unshrouded by myth, as tangible and influential as any pillar of history. His life was a testament to the power of revolutionary love, enduring through millennia, challenging every iteration of power with a simple yet radical proposition: to love one another. From the alleys of Jerusalem to the corridors of history, his voice rang clear, not to the opulent or the ordained, but to those with dirt beneath their nails and burdens upon their backs. His was not a gospel of riches but of shared bread, a call to dismantle the pedestals of property and privilege, envisioning a world where wealth was not hoarded but held in common, where love was the currency of exchange. This celestial insurgent, in just three years of public ministry, ignited a flame that the winds of opposition could not extinguish. His teachings, simple yet subversive, posed such a threat to the established order that it conspired to silence him. Yet, in attempting to bury him, they only planted the seeds of a movement that would grow, flourish, and forever alter the course of human history. The narrative attempts to render him a relic of the past, a martyr whose voice has been muted by the march of time. Yet, the spirit of Jesus Christ defies such containment. In the cries for justice that echo across ages, in the relentless pursuit of equity and empathy, his presence is palpable, guiding humanity towards a promised land where freedom is not a privilege but a birthright. His story, from the humble manger to the harrowing cross, charts a path of profound sacrifice and unwavering commitment to the disenfranchised. In his embrace, the outcast found dignity, and in his words, the weary found hope. Jesus Christ, the carpenter’s son, became the cornerstone of a new world, a beacon for the oppressed, heralding an age where love and solidarity dismantle the bastions of greed and despair. As the sun sets on the empire of self, and we navigate the twilight of indifference, the legacy of Jesus beckons us towards a dawn of compassion and communal triumph. In every heart that chooses love over fear, in every act that uplifts the downtrodden, his revolution lives on, a testament to the enduring power of a love that knows no bounds, a love that transcends time, a love that whispers, even in the darkest of nights, of the promise of a new day. Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty which Was. ✝️ Is. ✝️ And is to come. ✝️

[@pauldaystar]

What Part of "LEARNING FROM Y'SHUA THE MESSIAH, as He Says: MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND FOLLOW ME", Please Consinder

[@jaggedstarrPI]

People today still refer to the four corners of the Earth and the heavens above, yet no one (almost) means these things literally. They are a manner of speaking. Why would the authors have introduced mountains of unnecessary confusion by suddenly using scientifically accurate descriptions, even if they (via the Holy Spirit) somehow had them in mind?

[@ringthembells143]

Well said

[@sandystrickland9803]

In the Hebrew it actually says “quarters” not corners. A circle has quarters just like the Bible describes it.

[@user-mt6dw7vu4q]

Oh yeah, the Father described the earth and it’s just as He says, it was written literally.

[@jaggedstarrPI]

@@user-mt6dw7vu4q I appreciate your feedback; but help me out? I can't tell if you're meaning, "Oh yeah!?!?" - or, "Oh yeah,..." Is the accent on "Oh" or "Yeah"? That would help me be sure I'm hearing your intention. :-)

[@user-gr3oo5ux9x]

Witness here is that the infinite is always incarnating in the dreamstate

[@JP-kx2qv]

Personally not a fan of Wright... but Heiser, is my goto teacher

[@BobbyU808]

There is no reasoning around the fact that “all scripture is _given by inspiration of God,_ and is profitable for…” though some men too clever by a half try and try and try. Maranatha

[@AA-iy4gm]

Interesting topic, towards the second half when hosts are chatting, one keeps saying Christian and Jewish views as if they were or are as one and the same or just about, when that's not true, they are quite different in some key aspects and the myth of their unity has mainly served politicians when lobbying for sending tax payer money abroad...

[@angelamc2923]

Um, Nijay, Jesus didn't speak Greek, at least not when teaching his Jewish disciples! He would have said "Sheol" and it was an apostle who was "comfortable using the word Hades." We will never understand all we need to of Jesus until we get back to His Jewish context, not just reading His words in Greek thru a Greek worldview.

[@ringthembells143]

Ummmmmm.... The Bible Says Hades on the verse he references.

[@renrichardson6517]

It is we as moderns who think "Sheol" and "Hades" must have been different concepts due to culture. They were not different concepts at all, not to Hebrews or Greeks. It is only a foreign concept to us because we don't actually believe in Biblical cosmology. Ironic that this video uses Heiser and Mackie as its authorities for understanding Bibical cosmology because neither of them accepted Bibical cosmology as actually true. They both espoused "accommodation theory" and using one's imagination to put yourself as the reader into the context of the ancient worldview to understand their cosmology. But neither accepted as true what the Bible says about the cosmos. It was nothing more than human perspective to which God "accommodated" His language. That methodology of interpreting Scripture is 100% secular and can be used to undermine the authority of Scripture anywhere else one chooses to apply it. They just arbitrarily refrain from applying it to other parts of Scripture because otherwise they would be just two more secular Bible scholars.

[@ringthembells143]

@@renrichardson6517 thanks for commenting and watching the video. However literally what you just said is nonsense

[@renrichardson6517]

​@@ringthembells143Listen to your own video from 43:30 to 47:50 if you think what I said is nonsense. Or, perhaps you don't yet understand your own method for interpreting what the Bible says about the cosmos -- if you are using Heiser and Mackie's approach.

[@user-hn4ix8ho8c]

Clouds think the earth is flat. ! Smarter than a lot of scientists!!!

[@user-mn2ib5wb7b]

I believe you are closer to the truth than not. It is said that Isaiah was strange as if he were in a trance when he was writing . I can visualize that , for the simple reason, that being inspired by GOD as the prophets were , that he (GOD) might make them trance like to communicate the message he wanted them to write . I feel like that could have been the case with each of them. Perhaps Isaiah was just noticeably different . The LORD is too big to be contained in a small box. He is too big to be contained at all. Praise GOD , IN JESUS NAME ! AMEN

[@truepeace3]

God doesn’t stoop to the fallible perspective of man. The Bible clearly describes a flat circular earth under a dome. The Bible was written by men under the inspiration of God. He doesn’t play games with facts. 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

[@wordoftruthwjdnijah3467]

The cosmos are like the bible says geniuses!!

[@cynthiaponder8905]

👏👏🙌🙌🙏🙏😇

[@Steelblaidd]

Example of Jesus' comfort with using culture. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus appears to be based on an older Egyptian story.

[@ringthembells143]

That’s interesting. I’ll have to look into that. Thanks for sharing

[@wardrobegirl67]

That story was not a parable.

[@ringthembells143]

@@wardrobegirl67 Yes it is. You have been lied to. Just because he used names doesn't mean its NOT a parable. Hell fire and brimstone preachers have twisted this story into something it is NOT!!!

[@wardrobegirl67]

@@ringthembells143 j Yahusha often says, I tell you a parable… before the account of Lazarus and the rich man Yahusha does not say it’s a parable. No parable gives someone’s name. The Bible clearly teaches Sheol is a real place. Why do you think it is a parable?

[@Steelblaidd]

@@wardrobegirl67 quoting from the study helps in my Bible "The word parable is Greek in origin and means a setting side by side, a comparison. In parables divine truth is presented by comparison with material things" A parable uses the common occasions of real life to teach about deeper truths. This doesn't mean it can't also record real events. In Luke 19:12 the parable of the pounds starts with "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return." This would have called to mind that Harod had gone to Rome to get upgraded to King (under the empire) instead of just holding the title Ethnarc (ruler of a people). I have heard and shared many parables drawn from my own and others experiences. The name designates the form and purpose not the factuality of its narrative.

[@bethpike3833]

Well, we were once told that israel spoke Aramaic , but david hocking, and Bivenen and Blizzard (the Difficult Dayings of Jesus) both found it wasnt true, at least not as the first language of Israel in Jesus' day. It was based on speculation by one academic man, and seminaries grabbed it up as a truth. Hebrew apparently was the main spoken language of Israel after all.

Book of Enoch is a decoder, not THE decoder. Keep searching.

[@benjaminisaac9052]

Just assuming biblical authors thought we lived on a disk? I'm sorry, but there is no language in the bible that implies that. There is evidence ancient astronomers of the time and location had detailed knowledge of the solar system. Idk why you are adding that commentary to a Dr. Heiser talk that does not speak to that.

[@christiantompkins6423]

Look at an ancient Mesopotamian cosmological model and then read genesis 1 and tell me that is not what is being described.

[@jakobjiannuzzi6871]

GLORY2JESUS blessings beautiful souls Alas Jesus come 4 3 2 1 be4theFire 🙌 angels vs daemons serpents vs sheep gen1 vs gen2 up vs down light vs dark good vs evil truth vs lies jesus bs satan double or nothing wins this game truely. GLORY2JESUS

[@wardrobegirl67]

If the Bible was inspired by Yahuah, then it is true and accurate it every way, including scientifically. Inerrant as given by Yahuah. To say the creation account is not true means either Yahuah did not inspire the Bible or Yahuah did inspire it but He lied to Moses and gave him information moses could understand that was in line with other cultures. Both premises are full of problems and render the Bible obsolete.

[@TheNikolinho]

Yahuah? Bruhhhh, these online wanna-be Jews....

[@kitmckeraghan8735]

Earth has been viewed and photographed by modern day astronauts and it is round - a beautiful blue globe with clouds and continents. What is this tripe about it being flat?!

[@rockieroad6097]

I have read the book of Enoch several times. My problem is the way it talks of a FLAT EARTH as true. I can not accept it as being a serious writting.

[@ringthembells143]

🤷🏻‍♂️Then you cannot take the Bible as a serious writing. guessing you haven’t watched the video yet Because the Bible also says that the Earth is flat. That does not mean the Bible is not true. God has to speak through the culture and wisdom of the space and time that he look in. There are things that we understand to be true now that in 2000 years will seem like Science Fiction to others. In order for God to speak in space and time he has to use the language and culture of the people who speaks through. Truth And literal fact are not always the same thing within the Bible.

[@ThembaMaselane]

It's written through a cosmological grid that was for about 4000yrs, compiled 300yrs before Chist.Interestingly the writing, compiling, editing and eventually composing of the writings that would be the Tanak or the OldTestament came out the same cosmological and cultural background , the writers of scripture beginning with Moses right through to Malachi read the same books or used same sources in telling the God story as the postexilic second Temple Jewish scholars who later shaped and influenced the Apostles in their writings.

[@rockieroad6097]

@@ThembaMaselane As for me, I am seeking salvation. I find that in Jesus name. All these other writings are just confusing. I don't need that. Besides I will learn all of that when I get on the other side.

[@dewaynethomas7729]

​@@rockieroad6097growing in Christ will lead you deeper truths as you seek truth.

[@dewaynethomas7729]

Consider this, he was taken into a different dimension. He saw things from a Heavenly view. He saw how the stars were set in order, he saw how the sun and moon traveled their appointed course. In other words Enoch was taken places and saw thing other humans are rarely ever privy to. Simply trust in the LORD with all of your heart and lean not to your own understanding.

[@Joseph221b]

So is video pointing out these guys' heresies or supporting it?

[@ringthembells143]

The 3 scholars featured here Dr. Michael Heiser, Dr. Tim Mackie, Rev N.T. Wright are some of the most well respected biblical scholars in the world. Why not be a bit more specific. Modern western evangelicals love to throw out the word heresy or heretical. I’ve been saying this for years, “you’re not following Jesus faithfully unless there’s some evangelicals calling you a heretic.” So why don’t you put a little substance to your judgment and let us know what is heretical?

[@TheNikolinho]

What?!? None of them are heretics! They are all world renown theologians.

[@pauldaystar]

The Reasoning of YAHWAH AND Y'SHUA THE MESSIAH IS NOT OURS,... Book of YESHAYAHU ISAIAH 55:

[@TheNikolinho]

Stop butchering Hebrew and acting like a Judaizer. You can spell those words in regular English.

[@timothythomas1626]

The Holy Spirit Inspirited the scriptures. It matters not to me. God's methods.

[@jasonleveck8546]

Enoch is Genesis on steroids! Just imagine what we'll actually get to learn of true history, when we can ask of it right from the source himself?!

[@TrevorLarezma-tk2iu]

Somebody fill me in. I'm trying to figure out their angle. Are they flat earth Christians or what?

[@ringthembells143]

Definitely not✔️

[@myinternetname5911]

You need milk before eating solid food such as this.

[@ringthembells143]

@@myinternetname5911 stay tuned. We literally have a video releasing on this very subject soon. 🌏 ✔️🔔

[@myinternetname5911]

@@ringthembells143I’m looking forward to it!

[@mtsanders8038]

No. We just need to understand the worldview of the people of the Ancient Near East - the part of the world from which the human authors of our Bible came…

[@user-gr3oo5ux9x]

U have been dreaming a long time

[@jason5298]

Let's all agree the Bible nowhere teaches the earth is a globe. If we agree on that then we can decide whether it is literal or figurative.

[@ringthembells143]

The main purpose of this video is to show that the Bible’s goal is not to teach you science. It does not try to convey truth through literal scientific facts. Treating it any other way is making the Bible say something that it wasn’t intended to do. Logic, reason and simple evaluation of data Is conclusive that the world is round and a globe just like all the other planets. You’re trying to take an ancient cosmology and force it into literal truth. That’s not the purpose of the Bible. 🌏 🎯😘

[@jason5298]

Thankyou for your reply. God bless you and your ministry. I would suggest to you that you put your reason and evaluation to the test and see yourself if what you have been taught to believe cooresponds to reality and more importantly to the text of scripture. I'm not trying to be offensive in any way towards you or those who believe in the globe. God bless.

[@ringthembells143]

@@jason5298 absolutely love your approach. this is the way of following Jesus. Regardless of if either of us have anything figured out or everything wrong it’s our love for each other in Christ that matters

[@brianm5211]

RTB, thank you for the work you are doing. I must admit the argument seems absurd from either side of the debate. The truth is, the large majority of people have only ever truly considered one side. Most people are either unaware that Christians who believe in biblical cosmology still exist, or they believe they are some kind of science denying religious zealots. Of those I am aware of who believe that we live on a level, enclosed, stationary plane, almost all initially arrive there by examining the testable, repeatable, observable, and falsifiable evidence themselves, or by seeing the evil deceptions exposed clearly before their eyes. Honest question…..have you truly considered this a possibility with humility and an open, yet critical mind? If not, that is certainly understandable, but I would encourage you to follow our Savior’s humble walk as I saw displayed in Jason above, and by you in your last response. In the end, while it may be greatly significant in this present life, I think it likely holds almost no eternal significance. All praise to the Father! Jesus is King!

[@dennisburdick682]

The Bible DOES teach the earth is round.

[@valerieplaster229]

The book of Enoch was part of the Bible but man decided to take it out Ethiopian Bible never took the Bibles books out like the nicea council, And Yeshua says beware of the traditions of men

[@TheNikolinho]

Repent of your conspiracy and ignorance. Enoch was NEVER part of the official canon - neither Hebrew nor Christian.

[@-kepha8828]

Jesus disnt speak aramaic 🤦‍♂️ Even according to archeological record, less than 5% of writing found in the 1st century was aramaic, in Israel.

[@lastScuba]

Defending the globe, counters Yah's words, twists them in your favor, and adopts many false doctrines remaining theoretical such as gravity. Yet this little "g" god is a globers answer to much of the evidence believedbto be sound. Do not be too proud to explore both sides of the evidence. You will find Yah's words sound, whereas the globe gas all been manufactured, disconnecting people. Enoch was taken to the center of Earth bc its true.

[@pede8889]

Wow.....straight out the gate its a zeigeist of modernist apology. Sure never mind what the most High said, instead say a human didnt know any better. What a cop out. No thanks.

[@antoniois28]

The book of Enoch is fake. It goes against the teachings of God. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;" - 1 Tim. 4:1-2 GNT

[@ringthembells143]

It’s literally quoted inside our New Testament. So of all the arguments you can make you definitely cannot say that it’s fake. The person who quotes it is Jesus’ brother. Even if you don’t view it as inspired or canonical. Which that’s the view I hold. it is still super important to the writings of scripture for context and understanding of the culture that the Bible was written in.

[@TheNikolinho]

Not part of the Canon, but is it all fake? Well, Peter and Jude quote from it! 😊

[@allensharp6876]

Does God speak Aramaic? What a vacuous question. You are not nearly as profound than you think you are.

[@ringthembells143]

But at least we’re not as rude as you are 🙄

[@maxsage3362]

Heresy...The "Book of Enoch, was NOT Holy Scripture Are we to Believe, that GOD made a Mistake, in not allowing, a 67th Book, to be included, in HIS HOLY WORD ?? You are all Lost, which is why you ,cling to. Myths and Fables

[@steverutherfordlaughlinhs3196]

So your comment lets us all know that you jump to conclusions without listening to what is being said.

[@ringthembells143]

@@steverutherfordlaughlinhs3196 Facts 🎯❤️✌️

[@dw3403]

Popes decided which books were put in. They are not God.

[@dw3403]

And God created Eve from Adams rib. Men have less ribs. Count em. Not really, its a metaphore. The Jews also thought there were 2 powers in heaven. One good one evil. That's why Jesus said a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. And if you who are evil know how to give good gifts. How much more your father in heaven?

[@dennisburdick682]

Agreed.

[@insomnolant6043]

We Christians aren't forbidden from reading other books. What a dumb, baseless assertion.

[@user-gr3oo5ux9x]

U are the infinite dreaming u are doing stuff

[@pauldaystar]

Michael is Not Holy Baptized if Fire Spirit Tongues, He Rejects Paleo Hebrew Dead Sea Scrills,. and was Always Leaning on Own Understanding instead of Actually Listening to The Voice of Y'SHUA THE MESSIAH FRESH

[@Marek-lu6bd]

God is like Santa. But for older kids

[@quetzelmichaels1637]

God is spirit. Yahweh judged the Gods and the heavens themselves. Adam, the Christ, who had a forest of trees to learn from, judges the world. Gods though they be, like mortals they will die. Yahweh goes about in a tent of cloth. Adam was clothed from the nakedness of wielding the fiery sword on the day of vengeance as judgment. Corruption of the spirit is a part of the fabric of the universe. Yahweh became the snake, the Shining One or, the Ancient Serpent of Old, who takes a seat upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly as the Ancient One of Days, where it is forever peaceful. Adam, having become a worm, ascends beyond the heavens, from whence he came, where it is forever peaceful. Adam is the root and only begotten offspring of the Father you spring from. No one comes to the Father except through me. Adam tilled the soil and created a kingdom at the foundation of the world, the Garden of Eden, a heavenly home, a promised land. In the beginning, the world was a wasteland and he shielded them as the apple of his eye. Darkness covered the Abyss, the kingdom of Yahweh. The people were empty, and void of understanding, having become corrupted by Yahweh's judgment of the Gods and the heavens. Is Yahweh's arm too short to save or his ear too dull to hear? Earth is Yahweh's Everlasting Lake of Fire, his furnace of roaring flames where, in his furious wrath, he will gather you up, put you in, and smelt you. If your name is not in the book of life, he will refine you, remove your dross, and purify you until the Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast are cleansed from you. I've decided to put an end to all mortals on earth. The birds of the air and all the great beast will have a great feast. The oceans will be drained and the waters placed above the dome of the sky. No longer will the sun beat down and scorch you. No longer will there be hurricanes and tornados. The waters will refract the rays of light and there will no longer be night. Looking forward, we will all speak the same language. What to you see? A flood story? The Tower of Babel? By all accounts, you should all be nothing more than pillars of salt. Ok. Let's get started. Take out your text books on the crucifixion as imagery and prophecy. Let me know when you are ready. The way of the Lord in the desert needs to be put into context with the previous passage: Sacrifice - Indeed, she has received from the hand of the LORD double for all her sins. Resurrection - Make straight in the wasteland a highway for our God! (Isa 40:2-3 NABO) Just as it is appointed that human beings die - be judged - appear a second time, so also Christ …will return Heb 9:27-28 …as the (Red) Dragon (Demon Sin) stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. (Rev 12:4 NABO) In this version of the story, Jacob is seated at the table and Esau, the first-born, serves him. For who is greater: the one seated at table or the one who serves? Is it not the one seated at table? I am among you as the one who serves. (Luk 22:27 NABO) Esau, the firstborn, lives by the sword (sacrifice) and serves his brother, Jacob, who was born gripping (striking at) his heel. Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (beyond the heavens) You will not always have me (Mat 26:11 NABO) (Homeward bound) I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) (Began as the first Adam) My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) (Third party mediator) Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) (Left Behind) Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO) Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO) the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO) (in a galaxy far away?) never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) (Wait, what?) Though there was enmity between the two, to 'strike at' means to protect, watch over, or guard. Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau! (Gen 32:12 NABO) Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, and flinging himself on his neck, kissed him as he wept. (Gen 33:4 NABO)

[@G.O.Centric2.0]

Earth is flat and the Bible and Enoch describe it as such. DON'T COMPROMISE WITH SCIENTISM!

[@QuixEnd]

You've outsmarted every christian teacher of the last 15 centuries. If only people knew that Australia doesn't exist either.. no evidence it exists and yet they believe it🤦‍♂️

[@mdbrimberry]

No it is not flat.

[@ringthembells143]

What is the smallest seed in the world?

[@brendamartin3444]

Metaphor is not a scientific device to describe the shape of a thing Metaphor is a literary device used to add deeper meaning to the topic being discussed, such as… how much God cares about the earth and the great lengths he has gone to, and will go to in supporting it, Christ is the pillars supporting the earth, he has put angels at the four cardinal directions to protect it, etc… Those of you who are using ancient literary devices to “prove” the shape of the earth are in reality removing the creator from his creation, you are removing all love and care he has described using ancient metaphor language, just so that you can validate yourself, and feel good about yourself, after having set yourself up above others, as you glorify yourself, believing you have discovered secret knowledge And what does God say about people who do that…

[@G.O.Centric2.0]

@@brendamartin3444 you cannot defend the globe model with the Bible. The heliocentric model had never been thought of when any of the scriptures were written. The ancients had a perfect understanding of our cosmology to the point of being able to predict the eclipses and navigate great seas. The confusion arose with the birth of the false globe theory.

[@carpejkdiem]

We R not on BA'ALS SPINNING WOBBLING BALL FRM EMERALD TABLETS FORCED BYNO LOVE POLYGOV BOOK OF THOTH 4 U

[@G.O.Centric2.0]

Earth is flat and the Bible and Enoch describe it as such. DON'T COMPROMISE WITH SCIENTISM!

[@mdbrimberry]

No it’s not flat. For Christians to keep promoting this makes us look crazy. Very easy to prove it is not flat using a telescope.

[@G.O.Centric2.0]

@@mdbrimberry you can't prove the shape of the earth by looking at the sky. For Christians to continue to compromise with Heliocentrism (sun worship) is contrary to the Bible. Everything we see and test tells us the earth is flat. When you start looking into it, there's no actual evidence of a spinning ball. So the only thing making a Christian look stupid is his lack of faith, understanding and research. The Bible specifically says that the world will hate you, so why are you worried about what non believers think anyway?

[@Rabbinicphilosophyforthewin]

This is not biblical, nor does it agree with very simple observations you can do yourself.

[@G.O.Centric2.0]

@@Rabbinicphilosophyforthewin it is very biblical, there's around 200 verses that suggest a flat stationary earth. As far as everyday observation, we can see boats 10 and 15 miles away, we can see cities over 50 miles away, we can see crepuscular rays from the sun showing us it is local, we can see a full moon lit fully, from edge to edge, small close and giving off it's OWN LIGHT, just like the Bible tells us. Try reading your Bible before making unsubstantiated claims.

[@ringthembells143]

To all my friends who think the earth is flat because the Bible says so…. What is the smallest seed in the world?