Ancient Megalithic Stone Boxes - The Serapeum, Part II

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@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder
@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder 2 жыл бұрын
A simple experiment where 45 tons of granite is moved and lifted will demonstrate how easy this was. I look forward to that video!
@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder
@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I missed seeing in the video. Memetic people only had copper tools and sleds. The wheel being obtained from another group of people means they would not have had the pulley or rail system mentioned. Also where did they get the variety of trees mentioned in the desert. One more thing. My car weighs about 1 ton. Their boats could hold the equivalent of 45 Mercedes and float? I wasn’t aware of that. Can we demonstrate that as well
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
The largest stone sarcophagi were built and installed in the 5th century BC and later. By that time the winch and pulley system was known in the area as were things like the wheel, iron tools, etc. The winch winches were described as being made of sycamore which was a common tree in ancient Egypt. For people who had the means to build huge sarcophagi I don't think that having a couple dozen logs to use as rollers would have been an insurmountable expense.
@normdeeploom5945
@normdeeploom5945 2 жыл бұрын
@@amnqetu_Cipher-da-Builder EDIT: oops sorry I was wrong. To carry a cubic metre of granite (approx 2.7 to 3 tonnes) you'd need to displace 3 cubic metre of water. To carry 45 tonnes you'd only need to displace 45 cubic metres of water. It's a well and long understood principle. Displacement. No need for it to be demonstrated since it is the backbone of shipping. Eureka- Archimedes. to float 45 tonnes the boat needs to displace approx 120 cubic metres of water. The boats depicted by Egyptians themselves would have a gross tonnage well over that. Larger ancient boats/barges such as Roman- Phoenician well over a 1000 tonnes carrying capacity. Carrying 45 tonnes is small potatoes for a boat, especially on the smooth Nile where you could just as easily tie together some small barges. No need to demonstrate it as it's being demonstrated right now. Traditional dhows and wooden ocean going fishing boats
@normdeeploom5945
@normdeeploom5945 2 жыл бұрын
Wally Wallington all on his own moves and lifts 20 tonnes even without pulleys. Pictures from the olden days shown here has 60 tonne plus blocks. No need to experiment. Like the wheel it's well understood and has been put into practice for a very long time.
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 2 жыл бұрын
@@rockysexton8720 Please provide a specimen of these timbers, rather than a 100 year old "description" from a complete non-expert in botany. The desert preserves wood quite well and there should be numerous examples.
@agenticdevices
@agenticdevices 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate your final comments on being non-hostile/combative towards those who are on either side of whatever respective camp your on. It was your attitude and respectful disagreement and true attempt to educate Ben during the interview you did that actually made me turn around a lot of the speculative opinions I held on this subject. Anything otherwise is just feeding polarization, imo.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Heck ya, thats awesome, thank you for saying so. We love Ben and mean no disrespect to his work, we just disagree with many things he presents. We still wanna be friends with him though. We actually want to have discussions with people on all sides of this debate because, in the end, there is still a lot of mysteries about many of these sites. Thanks for tuning in and supporting us!
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence You do very sloppy work. Until you can replicate these objects with the tools you claim they used, you have nothing of value to contribute. No one cares where the stones came from, or the semantics of which "-ite" is most appropriate. Find the same type of stone and cut it, or STFU. It's Science: 101
@agenticdevices
@agenticdevices 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence I think that's really admirable! Having people with disparate opinions working out ideas together is the true way to progress. Unfortunately with Ben I think there is a large element of audience capture and in-group ideological reinforcement. This isn't to demonize him or say he is a bad person and if I were in the totality of his situation I may resort to the same behavior. I see Randall Carlson at least trending more carefully with his words lately (and really love his work) but it's so hard to break out of a narrative when everyone around you is reinforcing it. Perhaps slightly off topic but i'd recommend the work of social philosopher and catastrophic risk analyst Daniel Schmachtenberger. He talks about these issues in depth and with a holistic clarity that I haven't seen in a while.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Well said 👌 Cool, we'll check out Daniel's work. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. We're all learning about ourselves in the process of studying the truth about human history, and we're all in this together. Onward and upward we go! 😃
@agenticdevices
@agenticdevices 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence Indeed. I'd recommend this interview kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqC9gXqeppiJp7M
@sandradavenport713
@sandradavenport713 Жыл бұрын
I'm thoroughly enjoying this series. I got my BA in Anthropology more than 40 years ago, and have never lost my interest in the ancient world and human evolution. Egypt was always my strongest interest. Looking forward to part 3 and other videos, as well as some of the links featured in this video. I also appreciated your plea for calmness and respect when faced with opposing theories and ideas. It's almost a lost art nowadays.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Awesome, glad you’re on board with what we’re doing here. Indeed the call for decency is important and people get so combative and divisive on the internet. Thank for tuning in and supporting our work! Cheers 😃
@paulroberts7429
@paulroberts7429 Жыл бұрын
Auguste Mariette rediscovered the Serapeum, and excavated it he discovered intact tomb and body of Prince Khaemweset builder of Serapeum of Saqqara son of Rameses the greats he also found thousands of commemorative stela and Apis papyrus with dates relating to the life and death of the Apis and the construction of their burial vaults, Excerpt from a stela of a master builder under Ptolemy II I constructed the aforementioned burial chamber and the ... in the year 33 (of Ptolemy II), Paopi day 4. I completed the construction in 6 months and 5 days. I ordered the sarcophagus of the Apis and its lid to be moved into the burial chamber [which took 1 month and 5 days]. On 7 days no work was being done, the remainder is 28 (working) days.[43] the cost for a 62 ton granite sarcophagus completed with lid was 5.200lb's of silver.
@-757-
@-757- 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Great material. Keep up the much needed work
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support! 😃
@redwoodcoast
@redwoodcoast Жыл бұрын
Question for Mariette: How is it possible for rollers to leave traces in a stone floor? Rollers only roll, they do not slide or drag across a surface causing wear like a sled would. Also, the box that rested on a niche full of sand, was it open or closed? If closed, did he open it, and if so what was found inside? Nothing? And did he find wide planks on the sand beneath it for the rollers to roll on? Were rollers underneath the box at all? If not, then how could it have been forced across the surface of the sand or some wide planks? It isn't conceivable that it could have been pulled, nor is it conceivable that it could have been pushed by mere muscle power. You can't employ a long, strong lever bar in sand. I guess the winches could have been used by anchoring them into the walls but still, something had to be used to allow the box to slide. So, was anything found beneath the box? If not, or no mention was made either way, we are still in the dark. What has gone totally unaddressed is the logic for the sub-surface design of the niches. Why are they not at floor level as would be expected? Could the Egyptians really have feared that that would leave open a real possibility of the boxes being rolled out of the Serapeum and stolen? And that question raises the question of how it could be possible to lift them onto rollers considering their massive weight. It's probably true that they had long and strong steel leverage bars for use in moving stone blocks, but lifting blocks of such weight would not have been a routine process that would have made levers of such size and strength necessary. No doubt none have ever been discovered.
@FortunePT
@FortunePT Жыл бұрын
lifting 20 ton or pulling 20 ton with wood and ropes is just not possible , me who worked with wxcavators and used to lift heavy weight with the bucket even metal bends with 10 tons imagine pulling 30 toons with wooden levers and winches , not even iron at that time , iron would have very weak composition and break , also cooper , it's a mystery and will remain a mistery for the rest of our lifes :)
@kayleighllyn8253
@kayleighllyn8253 Жыл бұрын
​​@@FortunePT bs dude!! It is possible and done even to this day!! I worked with a team of transport specialists on heavier weights up to 300tons with nothing more than ropes, pullys and rollers. Euhh, I mean 120 tons not 300
@FortunePT
@FortunePT Жыл бұрын
@@kayleighllyn8253 you are talking about pushing , i'm talking about lifting , Also this is ropes and pulleys made in the 21 Century , i'm not saying alliens did it , there is no Markings of dragging or anything else they just there, plus i'm sure you BS
@helcurtbulatao1625
@helcurtbulatao1625 Жыл бұрын
there is a machine since common era,but we know simple machine makes work easier like inclined plain
@zemog1025
@zemog1025 7 ай бұрын
@@FortunePT Come on dude, you need to do some intellectually honest research, there are photos and videos of it being done in past and present times.
@peterwikvist2433
@peterwikvist2433 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make this presentation. Thank you for clarifying that the boxes are nearly all made of Granodiorite from Aswan.
@TheGreatest1974
@TheGreatest1974 Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant video. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Well done. Your work on translating the mariette from the French is commendable. This video is an education. 👍
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta 11 ай бұрын
Yay, I made it through all three parts! Thanks a lots for this well-thought of series and especially for the huge list of your sources! (copied from pt. III for the algorithm.)
@ReclaimerX
@ReclaimerX 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work! People love to believe that ancient civilizations we're just savages with clubs.
@BSIII
@BSIII Жыл бұрын
It's really sad how disrespectful they are to these ancient peoples. Ben basically calls them incompetent, incapable thieves.
@XtoferTepper
@XtoferTepper 10 ай бұрын
Just like us now, ancient Egyptians would have complained about going to work the next day.
@kyledamron
@kyledamron 10 ай бұрын
Great video. This really debunks a lot
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open 2 жыл бұрын
This was great. I recommend your channel often.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, we appreciate your support 😃
@MrSixxshooter
@MrSixxshooter 6 ай бұрын
I think that some of boxes that have the pitted shallow holes on them that seem so out of place may in fact represent a spotted Apis bull buried in this single funerary coffin . It may have been painted white a pitted marks represent the black spots .
@fishdude666ify
@fishdude666ify Жыл бұрын
Paused it at 3:18 to write this. My impression of how the boxes got there when I was there was they dug trenches, lowered the boxes into them, then covered the trenches without actually burying them. Ok back to watching. I like it! The sand thing is genius. My only questions: with the precision the boxes are made, why are the hieroglyphs on the one so shoddy? There are granite sarcophagus in the Cairo museums that have hieroglyphs that look laser etched with intricate details; the one in the Serapeum looks like it got carved by a 10 year old with a pocketknife. Could the bulls be considered less important than the Pharaoh's, so less time given to the details? But if that were the case, why so much attention to the boxes themselves? I mean you can almost cut yourself on the edges, and the inside corners are very well defined, I thought. It would've been a lot of work to achieve that, why cut corners (pun only sort of intended) on the inscription? Also, wasn't only one of the boxes found to actually have a bull in it? Even though they all were sealed? I just found this video so I haven't seen part one yet, apologies if these are things that already have been covered. In fact, I'll table any other questions I have until I see part one and get those PDF's. Thank you sirs for your work on this, and your closing line is much appreciated. I have a theory that anytime there is a one or the other argument about anything, the best answer is some kind of combination of the two arguments. Which is a long way of saying that I still don't think the Great Pyramid was built as a tomb for Khufu in 20 years, or that the status of Ramses at Luxor were done by hand, but if anyone is going to convince me otherwise it will be this channel. Anyhoo, thanks again for the new info and good attitude!
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Right on fish dude, thanks for the long and contemplative comments. We address the historical context of the crappy hieroglyphs on the one box with writings all over it in part 3. It was basically the moment that Egypt was about to fall to the Romans and Cleopatra was about to commit suicide. Things were crazy right then. It makes perfect sense that they rushed to make the largest of all inscriptions in the Serapeum at the last minute, as an offering to their god, knowing very well that soon the long withstanding cult of Apis would soon come to an end. Keep in mind that the priests who would’ve carved those inscriptions would not have been the same skilled workers who made the sarcophagi. It’s entirely different work. There are also countless examples around Egypt of outstanding hieroglyphic inscriptions that were undoubtedly done in dynastic times. I highly recommend to watch part 3 of this series, as we break down the entire 1,300+ year history of the site, bull by bull, pharaoh by pharaoh, and go through the records left behind by the Egyptians on stone stelae that document the entire history of the site. Once you review all of the evidence, there’s no mystery any more. We know that the boxes are not as precise as Christopher Dunn led everyone to believe they are, we know how the boxes were moved and we know exactly when and under the reign of which pharaoh all of the work was done. Thanks for tuning in and taking this topic seriously. Cheers!
@BALES5000
@BALES5000 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Aliens and the current LAHT generation have done an excellent job convincing people with science fiction, Unfortunately, most will just stick fingers in their ears and hold their breath when it comes to evidence and real world replication because fantasy is more entertaining. I appreciate how more channels are digging up and posting factual documentation.
@stevefaure415
@stevefaure415 2 жыл бұрын
I know your excellent Egypt videos! I know your drum videos too because I subscribed but as much as I like drums I hope you take a trip somewhere interesting again soon.
@BALES5000
@BALES5000 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevefaure415 Peru and South America are on the list, but I'm on a mission to pay of a house first.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Right on BALES! We've enjoyed watching your videos on Egypt! Thanks for tuning in. The Serapeum is so fascinating and is held in the highest regard by folks who see it as the smoking gun of a lost high technology and advanced, pre-dynastic civilization. But upon closer inspection, what we've found is that is entirely unfounded. There is a clear historical record of every single bull, chamber and sarcophagus in the Serapeum and there is no need, whatsoever, to invoke any lost technology, and the boxes are not even as precise as Christopher Dunn led everyone to believe they are. The whole things falls apart when you just dig into the real research done on the site. Hopefully this deep dive 3 part series will help some LAHT folks realize they're wrong.
@mcroman-superfeat
@mcroman-superfeat 2 жыл бұрын
BIG éloge you share this info, and the HARD work you put in ,,, THX a lot ...
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a technology developed that prevents people from commenting on a video until they have watched the entire thing.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously 🤙
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
But then that would just mean an uptick in comments claiming that the site is 10k years old but was appropriated by Egyptians. They then not only faked over 1000 years worth of written records but also left fake artifacts that indicate the Egyptians did it.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@redwoodcoast
@redwoodcoast Жыл бұрын
At 13:00 we learn from Brugsch (?) that rails were present (along the floors of the corridors) on which the rollers would have moved the boxes, but that logic fails. Rails were not needed for rollers at all since they roll regardless. Rails would only be used as guides for wheels... probably made of hard metal or strong man-made cast & fired stone. They would be far less clumsy to move from the back to the front while rolling considering the tight confinement of the corridors. One man alone would have been able to carry such a wheel... or simply roll it on the ground. Wooden rollers like those depicted in the childish drawing would be impossible to use. You failed to mention the fatal flaw in that lame drawing, which is that all of the rollers are touching the others. In the real world the side of a roller facing inward would be turning in a downward direction in relation to the roller further in, while it in turn would be turning in an upward direction. Opposite directions! Because of that they would instantly stop the second that they made contact. What would prevent them from making contact?? Nothing. 15 logs under a block 12 feet long would have to have a diameter much smaller than depicted. If they were a foot thick each then they would span 15 feet while touching. If they were 8 inches thick then the space between them would be less than 1.75 inches. Not enough to prevent contact. Why so? Because.... in order to assure perfect spacing during movement every roller would have to have the exact same diameter as well as be perfectly round, -with no exceptions. Plus... the floor would have to be PERFECTLY flat with no dips or rises perpendicular to the corridor because logs would either stop rolling in a dip or would bear all of the weight of too many surrounding logs over a rise or convex stretch of the floor. That added weight would crush its top and bottom surfaces, changing their shape from perfect roundness to somewhat flattened on two opposite sides. Such a roller would not then be able to roller perfectly with the others. Also, no one has ever addressed the problem of how to raise such a weight in order to place anything under it. Is there somewhere a depiction of a massive A-frame with a huge winch at its apex which could raise one end via ropes run beneath it? No one has indicated any reason to believe that they had such technology although the Romans did.
@mikebarnes-co9jg
@mikebarnes-co9jg 17 сағат бұрын
Wheels would be impossible because when turning as the front wheel follows the track the back wheels follow a different path causing more friction, and the axels what material would be strong enough to make axels that could support the weight
@robinsonsuarez6334
@robinsonsuarez6334 Жыл бұрын
The best documentary I’ve seen on the serapium all 3 videos, on KZbin at least. Don’t agree with everything but good stuff
@redwoodcoast
@redwoodcoast Жыл бұрын
Here's some calculations to consider: the cutting rate for a slab saw is stated to be 2 cubic inches per hour... 2 inches deep and 2 inches across, right? So to cut a hypothetical surface of 10' x 10' would involve 120 1-inch square faces across and 120 1-inch square surfaces down, totaling 14,400 1-inch square surfaces. Cutting at the rate of four squares per hour it would take 3,600 hours. Divide that number by 8 hours per day and you get 450 days to cut a slab surface 10' x 10'. That is 75 weeks or about 1 1/2 years. So to saw the 7 sides of a box & lid would take about 10.5 years when you add vacation and weekend days off. With one man on each end of a slab saw it would require 21 man-years for a single face of a massive stone column (Osirion) or Serapeum box. There isn't a single sane person on Earth who thinks that any set of sane human beings in history would have ever engaged in such an effort. Just because it's 'possible' doesn't mean it would be practical or conceivable.
@joseerazevedo
@joseerazevedo Ай бұрын
Great revealing video! Thank you so much! Just subscribed :) Those who live from "mysteries" will never solve them, hahaha! Thanks, see you on the next
@ThePolicenaut
@ThePolicenaut Жыл бұрын
I accept that people manualy moved these stones with some kind of sled/pully system but 45 ton is still an unbelievable amount of weight,its heavier than a fully loaded concrete truck,can you imagine taking the wheels off and pulling that around on a sled? And would the rope even hold that weight? Its mind boggling stuff
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
Check out a video "How The Ancients Could Move & Place MEGALITHS".
@landenkauer1736
@landenkauer1736 Жыл бұрын
I really want to recreate this stuff. You guys make a great perspective of how it is possible to do it with sheer persistence. As a construction worker who uses hydraulics and power tools to do all the real work, I finally myself asking "yeah they could probably do it with copper. But wouldn't it be easier to just make power tools first?" And yeah it's a ridiculous thought, but that's how these beautiful geometrical stones make me feel (yes I am a rock hound)
@trumphater3441
@trumphater3441 Жыл бұрын
Bronze and copper both register at 3.0 on the Mohs scale. Granite is 6-7. Andesite is 7. Hardened steel is 7-8. You do see how that would literally be impossible. Oh, they can do it with gypsum or talc. Granite and andesite, that you see with your own eyes, can NOT be cut with copper or bronze. Do they explain that? No. They don't. In fact, I can easily debunk every one of these modern reconstruction 'examples'. Hell, I just did without even trying. Logic dictates that this guy is either full of sh*t or just found a way to make an easy dollar off people who are unaware of the reality of physics. Do I know how it was done. No sir, I don't. BUT what I can prove beyond any doubt is they don't either. I look for these types of posts to obliterate with simple facts. Like I just did.
@sledzep01
@sledzep01 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Awesome research
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@AncientArchitects
@AncientArchitects 2 жыл бұрын
Great video lads. Really good research and explanation. Part 1 & 2 were brilliant.
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 2 жыл бұрын
I love you channel, but this is sloppy work. They proved NOTHING. No more "might have", "could have", "it was so EASY", etc....Until one of these fine "researchers" actually replicates these works with the "primitive" methods proposed, they have nothing to say. I would encourage you to watch this again with a deeply skeptical eye and see what they actually PROVE. No conjecture. PROOF.
@rockinbobokkin7831
@rockinbobokkin7831 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great too! I'm new here but I've been watching you for awhile. Thanks for the honest content.
@adamwilkinson6721
@adamwilkinson6721 2 жыл бұрын
On several part series please can you include the link to the other video's in the description. Many thanks.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@adamwilkinson6721
@adamwilkinson6721 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence thanks for noting dude, much appreciated. Going to watch both parts tomorrow, fascinated by the Serapeum, thanks for your work. Ancient Architects sent me over. All the best for the future 👍☮️
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude 🙏 Enjoy! 😃
@ChristopherIves
@ChristopherIves 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all do such a great job. I'm stoked every time I get a notification. I've always been turned off by all the hype about egypt, but you really cut through that to the science and rational thinking - I appreaciate it!
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
We used to be all up in that hype as well, but our work on this channel has guided us deep into researching ancient civilizations much more thoroughly. What we've found dispels a lot of the old ignorance we were harboring about lost tech and advanced civilizations. What a blessing! 😃
@DianaAtena
@DianaAtena 2 жыл бұрын
I wish to congratulate you for the well documented episode and for putting so much effort into finding proper evidence in old manuscripts and translating it into English, then compiling it into a list. This is such important work. Ancient Egyptians were unique and had absolutely brilliant, simple ways to carve, dig up and transport heavy blocks. They were far from primitive (and that does not imply they had modern technology that used electricity). My favourite civilisation - both past and present, by far.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love! We're happy to receive this kind of positive feedback, it encourages us to keep pouring lots of time and energy into this research 🙏 Thanks for sharing the journey with us!
@usic_imaging
@usic_imaging Жыл бұрын
With the widspread use of wooden rollers and winches there should be plenty to see in the museum. Are there any?I'd say the antiquities dept would be keen to point these out?
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
Who knows what happened the winches. They might be in vaults of the old museum. There are countless items down there lacking proper itemization. And wooden logs are hardly museum worthy artifacts. These items were also found over 200 years ago when there was no such thing as online grifters trying to convince people that some mystery advanced technology was used to move things. So their significance at that time is not the same as it is for certain groups now.
@usic_imaging
@usic_imaging Жыл бұрын
With the main issues being construction about anything to do with monuments in Egypt if there was any evidence it would be 1000% on show to the public. Your logic is flawed 1100%.
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open Жыл бұрын
​@@usic_imagingThere is no issue except in the minds of some people. It is so obvious to the rest of us. Museums have more important tasks than pandering to the whims of fantasists.
@usic_imaging
@usic_imaging Жыл бұрын
@@Eyes_Open There is an issue >its called no evidence of manual labour or machinery any/ 0 /zero/ none/. That is obviuos lol museums don't have any evidence to put on show and tbf the main contention is the method so if there were any it would be there. There is 100% eveidence of another method.
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open Жыл бұрын
​@@usic_imagingThere is no issue. Your personal belief does not change reality.
@timvw01
@timvw01 2 жыл бұрын
Wauw, finally some adults on the topic 👍
@79sevo
@79sevo Жыл бұрын
And how much time dey need to smooth the stones
@ClassicalComputing
@ClassicalComputing Жыл бұрын
This is the type of video you wanna share when debating alternative researchers and archeologists, Great job!
@joevinski1
@joevinski1 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this ,came here from world of antiquity , definitely earned a sub looking forward to more great content
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought but on the other way unfinished boxes. When the emperor Honorious closed the cults and locked up the various Serapeum there was a rush to get things inside and complete. Those in niches 4 and 5 are very roughly finished. It would have been a few days work to grind off and polish those unfinished parts. The niches themselves look rough my finished also. Those holes in the walls look to have been removed in other niches. With only traces remaining. Just some thoughts but I imagine the closure of those cults came fast and harsh.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed the closure of the Serapeum came fast and harsh, although chambers 4 and 5 were made some 500 years before that happened. They were kinda janky and sloppy, because that was a turbulent and unstable time period in Egypt and they were made hastily. The southern facing new tunnel in chamber 4 was intended to be a new gallery of chambers, although that plan was abandoned and the westward direction was continued instead, eventually resulting in the best made boxes and chambers of the Ptolemaic Dynasty era (boxes 10-22). The site basically runs chronologically from east to west, progressively becoming more and more advanced, with nicer quality boxes and chambers, all the way until the end of the Ptolemaic Dynasty that coincided with Cleopatra's death. The empty chamber 10 was almost certainly where the final box that was abandoned in the hallway was intended to end up in. But Egypt fell and that was a wrap.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
It’s as closed to settled as possible, based on the papers we’ve read about this. The empty chamber 10 (Isida Project’s map) is off kilter and smaller than the other chambers of the Ptolemaic section, as it appears it was a hasty and not well organized attempt to bury the final Apis Bull as quickly as possible before Egypt fell to the Romans.
@azoteapost8734
@azoteapost8734 2 жыл бұрын
And the precision ? How they made this boxes with such precision ?
@normdeeploom5945
@normdeeploom5945 2 жыл бұрын
It's simple, they are not made with precision. The measurements taken prove it is not precision, ironically even those who claim precision and took measurements show it not to be the case.
@jellyrollthunder3625
@jellyrollthunder3625 2 жыл бұрын
watch the videos, Parts 1, 2, and 3
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
I'm actually going to be visiting the Serapeum in 3 weeks time. Can't wait! Will re-watch this series again the night before. ☺
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Niiiiiice!!! 😃 Make sure you bring a flashlight, we made the mistake and forgot about that as rookie filmmakers 😆 I hope you have an amazing time there!
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
​@@AncientPresence Great tip. Thanks man.🙂
@Davidbirdman101
@Davidbirdman101 2 жыл бұрын
i have always known the Egyptians made and moved these objects, the question i have is what means did they use? i was in construction for 50 yrs, and we oftentimes had to find a simple solution to make things work. however we had the immense advantage of having power tools. what interests me is just how they accomplished these tasks. we have become so dependent on electricity, we have lost valuable knowledge. my father used a handsaw to build a house, i used a skilsaw. my father drove nails with a hammer, i used a nail gun after a few yrs working. etc. etc. so, its fascinating to me how they actually did it. i wish i had the time and money to go to these places and see for myself. well, maybe in the next life
@cbrend22
@cbrend22 2 жыл бұрын
who knew you were there? Wow, great to know.
@cyklop1977
@cyklop1977 2 жыл бұрын
really ? check what the medieval castles look like. In the Middle Ages they did not know electricity (electric tools)and if you compare the Middle Ages with ancient Egypt, it looks too bad (even though they used steel in the Middle Ages !!!)
@russellmillar7132
@russellmillar7132 Жыл бұрын
Try type: "Man moves 20 ton blocks by hand" into you tube search field. Many things are possible if we don't assume we need modern technology. Peace.
@chrisbelvedere6653
@chrisbelvedere6653 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Architects sent me, just subbed. Reminds me of the story of the Persian king I believe who wanted to get into the Great Pyramid for all the treasures they were told what was in there they didn't find any treasure but they found one very high tech device that they used to build the Pyramid, little wood balls that they use to roll on the stones when they set them to make sure that they were set right.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Right on 🤙 Go Ancient Architects! 🙌 Thanks for tuning in and subbing!
@Anth369
@Anth369 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation! Practical and insightful. Have found many old books about egypt are helpful as they outline how people in the 1800-1900s figured a lot of this out.
@davidray5552
@davidray5552 Жыл бұрын
Well done
@79sevo
@79sevo Жыл бұрын
And how. Did dey remove the last send Ander the stone?
@chadb1675
@chadb1675 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work guys. @ancientarchitects led me here 👍🏼
@robinaart72
@robinaart72 2 жыл бұрын
brilliant work - well done. re. the combats of other youtubers etc...I'll be honest - I've witnessed and been victim myself of very slippery underhand behavior by some laht channels - and shadow-banning/hidden comments - multiple times - and I can see how that can lead to immense frustrations, and ultimately anger, as these people really really don't play fair. Trust me. But - well done for keeping the peace - it's what's needed now - I think at this stage this approach will make the truth easier to digest for some too.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support 🙏 It's unfortunate that people shadow ban and block comments etc. We've heard a pretty large number of people express that same thing in our comments sections about other youtube channels. We're not into that stuff. We want to investigate all angles and admit when we've been wrong, not just block people from challenging our views. Engaging in intellectual debate in a friendly and respectful manner is a healthy way to move forward to truly understanding the subjects we're researching and get to the bottom of it. Gotta stay humble and kind 😉 🤙
@robinaart72
@robinaart72 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence "Gotta stay humble and kind" - agree when it comes to the 'regular' people who genuinely believe this stuff...but re. those that deliberately con...hmm...I think I'm with sgd on this one:) But you know what...I wonder if some of the researchers are a bit brainwashed themselves. I got a sense of this when I watched a very old Dunn lecture - he talked about how he was welcomed into the community - even mentioned some of them tripping - it really came across as someone who had been love-bombed (massive cult tactic) and left their old life for this new community - he very much has the air of someone who doesn't quite know what's going on - someone who could be manipulated for his engineering knowledge - and steered into what he says and write . Talking cults...there's a couple of pdfs online (pts1 and 3 I think) - google 'he walked among us first draft' - can't vouch for the authenticity of course - but it details the cult at Stelle that DHC was a big part of - he of course main man behind ancient aliens...have a dig - things will start to make sense. Also - research cult tactics - some great lectures online - one of the main ones is repetitions of phrase...'lost ancient high technology' - how many times does BF say this in every vid? A close associate of DHC of course...cult tactic knowledge. The other agenda is the fmsn one...we all know Randall is open about his 33 status...but I also think Hancock could be. The oil painting that is online of him - checkout the artist - he is pretty much 100% fmsn only artist - he's on the msnc site. When you look into writings of manley hall etc - it's all about atlantis and lemuria (btw - cult at stelle related to lemurian fellowship) - then you start to put 2 and 2 together - esp when you add theosophy and blavatsky. Look at R Schoch - influenced by his theosophical granny, and many other alt history legends...research the researchers - that's what I did.
@jerm4336
@jerm4336 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. As a critic, I approve.
@redwoodcoast
@redwoodcoast Жыл бұрын
PS One point that shouldn't be overlooked is that the depiction of using pulleys to haul the giant boxes down the corridor has one end of the rope attached to an anchor embedded in the pulley side of the box. No such anchor hole has ever been pointed out in all of the videos of the Serapeum that I've watched. It would have been better to show the rope slung around the opposite end of the box. Fantastic job of gathering information... perhaps the best ever... at least on video. Now, on to Chapter 3 and more enlightenment.
@Its_Shaun_the_Sheep
@Its_Shaun_the_Sheep Жыл бұрын
I thought saw the hole on the side of the big one in this video
@tpxchallenger
@tpxchallenger 2 жыл бұрын
Nice videos, Fellas! SGD linked me here. I'm going to link to these two videos when debating the Serapeum with LAHT believers. Subscribed!! Can't wait to watch more of your catalog.
@BSIII
@BSIII 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly cleared a lot of things up for me. This is fantastic.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
It sure it nice to clear things up, isn't it? 😉
@JuanitaGrande
@JuanitaGrande 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, THANKS MUCH for making and sharing the translation of that work! I’m happy to have been algorithmed to your channel. 🙌🏼
@JuanitaGrande
@JuanitaGrande 2 жыл бұрын
ALSO: THANKS even more for confirming the sand process.
@tdaly4389
@tdaly4389 Жыл бұрын
Great work on this series. It is so refreshing to see actual research and logic. Thank you for making this and im sad to know it won't get nearly as much traction as the conspiracy theory fluff...😒 big fan and i hope to try to support your patreon soon
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love! Indeed it’s unfortunate that the sensational stuff is more popular than proper history, but slowly slowly videos like this are making the rounds and impacting people.
@MrAchile13
@MrAchile13 2 жыл бұрын
Good job guys, keep up the good work! One of the shadiest practices made by the popular alternative channels (you know who they are) is shadow banning ANY sort of criticism and pointing out ANY inaccuracy. Have you thought about investigating this? It seems to be something a businessman would do to protect his profits/audience, not something a honest "researcher" would do.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! We are honestly not really wanting to make our channel all about exposing people and debunking…. It gets pretty dramatic here on youtube with people being really hostile and we wanna just focus on what makes us happy about doing this channel - exploring the ancient world. We are going to explore new ways of sharing content in the coming videos.
@MrAchile13
@MrAchile13 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence Fair enough. I subscribed looking forward to part III of your Serapeum series. By translating Mariette's report and by compiling your sources, you actually provided real value to the community. I'd like to see more podcasts with "alternative researchers" although I have a feeling they will avoid you, as they like to stay in their bubble.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yeah we are working on part 3 to the series now and will hopefully be releasing it in a few weeks. We would love to do more podcasts with whoever is willing to do them with us…. We hope there are some genuine and honest alternative researchers out there willing to discuss this stuff with us.
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
The genuine and honest alternative researchers are hiding out in the same cave as the unicorns and elvis. Trying to directly engage with them will just drag you down into a toxic rabbit hole. Producing content like your series on the serapeum and letting viewers judge for themselves is contribution enough.
@bwaynesilva
@bwaynesilva 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys. Randall should be proud of your researching skills and tenacity. Great job!
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Bruce! 😃 Thanks for the love. We hope Randall watches our videos. We hope you're doing well 🙏
@bwaynesilva
@bwaynesilva 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence Doing well and I'll be in Egypt in November with Ben and Yousef, Grimerica, Brothers of the Serpent and others. The Serapeum is on the agenda. If you come out to the CA or AZ deserts let me know, I could meet you somewhere. And I found another location of petroglyphs and pictographs in The Mojave.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
We're happy you're going to Egypt and hope you have a fun trip. As much as we love all those guys you're going on the trip with, we've come full circle on the lost ancient technology and advanced civilization stuff and don't agree with so much of the speculation made by Ben, Yousef and others. It's great though that we can be friends with people we disagree with. Our thorough research on sites like the Serapeum has led us into a new understanding about how and by whom these stoneworks were made and transported. Upon close investigation, the lost technology theory doesn't hold water in our opinion and we recommend discernment when going on a tour like what you're soon embarking on. Did you watch our part 1 video on the Serapeum? Your Mojave explorations sound awesome!
@bwaynesilva
@bwaynesilva 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence I did watch the Part 1 episode. Perhaps this video will turn some heads. But there still seems to be great and surprising differences in Egyptian technology over time and location. I also wish that the Egyptologists would allow for more open exploration and research, which I believe would both allow for a better understanding of Egyptian ancient technology, mostly regarding some of the what and why that are still unanswered. You're tight that researchers from the 1800s tended to get it right, perhaps because nothing was being hidden or covered up. Randall has always noted this with the history of catastrophism.
@noodlesmetal
@noodlesmetal 2 жыл бұрын
@@bwaynesilva that would be a fun tour. Brothers of the Serpent are great, love their podcast. I follow Ben and enjoy his content. Graham was the the original that got me interested in the ancient sites and possible lost human history. I enjoy seeing other opinions like in this video as they can help pull you out of the rabbit hole that becomes easier to fall further into. WOA vids he made against Ben's ideas made me realise I had stopped being sceptical enough after years of thinking the lost civilisation theory has to be the answer. I watched that thinking it was going to be laughable but ended up finding a lot of his arguments convincing but I'm still not sold. He does a good job at trying to make alternative ideas seem stupid and trys to make it all sound so simple. The great pyramid is an amazing structure which just screams out that we don't understand the true purpose. I still think there was a lot more going on with so many pyramids and sites around the earth. The pyramid of the sun (not Bosnian but I'm interested to see what happens in the future with that) was totally covered in earth and vegetation which turned out to be an amazing structure. There is more to this story we need to discover
@joaodeoliveira336
@joaodeoliveira336 Жыл бұрын
Good video, but..... How did they fit the pulleys into the boxes? Do you have any evidence of that? What kind of rope can withstand so much pressure/traction? How much sand was needed to be able to position the boxes? Has anyone tried to do this, or is it just "imaginations" of the researchers? Is there any evidence of the boats they used to transport the stones? How did they load and unload the stones from the boats? Good videos, but many questions remain unanswered! Thanks anyway! Great job!
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open Жыл бұрын
Egyptians drew pictures of barges moving heavy loads of stone.
@InfiniteSky4444
@InfiniteSky4444 Жыл бұрын
Im curious how the egyptains boats could withstand all the weight moving them from the quarry, Is there a video on that? Love the insight in this video btw
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
They built very large barges for the task. There is a fascinating depiction from Hatshepsut's valley temple at Deir el-Bahri showing a huge obelisk being transported. Google 'moving obelisks in the old kingdom' to find the image.
@alwaysstrapped814
@alwaysstrapped814 Жыл бұрын
While I think you're spot on with how they moved the boxes down there, there's still many things that aren't explained. How did they cut so deep into bedrock? How did they lift multiple ton blocks 400ft up in the air and how did they get the geometry of the pyramids and other buildings an statues so precise? Or in Peru, none of these methods make any sense there. How would they of moved HUGE multiple ton blocks up a steep almost 8,000 ft mountain? Or how do we explain the same symbols at ancient sites around the world? Like the statue of a man which appears to be holding some kind of hand bag. This is found in Egypt, Peru, Mexico,angor wat and more. There's still MANY mysteries that just aren't explained by any of these methods.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
We discuss a lot of that in our podcast with SGD, I recommend to give that a listen. All can be explained easily and with common sense practical techniques that were used for thousands of years until modern times. What do you mean 8,000 foot mountain? Your wording makes it sound impossible. Are you talking about Machu Picchu? The valley is only a few hundred meters below it, it’s not like people transported stones up 8,000 feet in elevation. And Machu Picchu was largely created with the stones that sit right there on the top of the mountain. It’s literally a quarry site. I remember a video from Ancient Architects where he talked all about that. The “handbag” idea has also been covered thoroughly by channels like World Of Antiquity: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5OWd3WCisyrnLs It’s easy to see things as grand mysteries because of the ways we’ve been taught about them from alternative researchers, but when you dive deeper there are always solid and tangible explanations.
@alacrityaudiooffice7716
@alacrityaudiooffice7716 2 жыл бұрын
You should be congratulated for the clear hard work you've done researching and translating books re the work done by the serapeum's 1800's explorers. I wish to congratulate you for the well documented episode and for putting so much effort into finding proper evidence in old manuscripts and translating it into English, then compiling it into a list. This is such important work. Signed; Christoper Dunn.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Christopher Dunn 😃
@newanas5271
@newanas5271 2 ай бұрын
I would like to see someone demonstrate both making and moving this kind of boxes using same tools as Egyptians did? Surely this must be easier and cheaper than a pyramid.
@vikingskuld
@vikingskuld 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I just saw this video and I am so impressed. Great job. This is the very first video of your channel I have ever seen so you definitely got a subscriber who is thrilled to see what you did. I can't say enough how awesome a job you did. Moving the blocks to me have been not that big of a deal and I figured they used fairly simple methods to do it. Cutting the stones is the only real mystery I think is left to figure out. This was honestly a wonderful video. I have been so bored the last year or so I have gotten away from watching videos on moving large stones and ancient Egypt. I almost didn't watch you video. I only did because I was laying down to take a nap and figured it would put me to sleep. Well no it didn't put me to sleep as I was so excited when I got listening to what you were saying I was blown away. I really can't say how impressed I am. Thank you very much
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thank you for your sweet comment 🙏 we’re happy our video inspired you, amongst all the other videos out there on the subject that tend to repeat the same old stuff. We’re seeking truth, not hype, and our research has uncovered some pretty epic information on the history of the Serapeum that we feel people should know about. Regarding cutting the stones, check out our part I video 👍 we discuss the “precision” stonework on the sarcophagi and show many experiments demonstrating how primitive techniques could definitely accomplish that degree of work. Welcome to our channel 😃
@vikingskuld
@vikingskuld 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence hey that's awesome.. exactly what I have been looking for. I seen a student spin drill copper pipe in granite. He claimed an inch an hour. He only showed a few seconds of him doing it. He was trying to debunk electric tooling so wasn't sure if it was agenda or real. I have done machining and thats fairly complicated. Honestly you have to have a lot of back ground support to do any kind of modern machining. I also did a report years ago about lathe work and that technology ancient Egyptians used to make things. They were pretty ingenious about it and with old tech someone pulling a rope back and forth or a bow or perhaps a bent tree for a spring and a peddle. They had their own tech. I make knives and play around with black smiting for fun. So the chemical structure of metal and old tooling is fascinating to me. So I have lots of questions. Most people don't know enough to answer and others can't even figure out why I asked some of the questions to begin with. Like u I'm just looking for the truth so I don't care what the answer is. Well actually I'm interested in old hand tools and techniques. So I want to learn what they did and how they did it. It's just fascinating to me. So I been chasing good answers for years. Hell had I heard about the book you translated from French I would have done the same thing just to see what he had to say. Thats so awesome you did that. I been so bored with KZbin for months now I'm glad I found your channel. I was at a point I wad just going to stop watching it altogether. Thank you again. I had a heart attack 2 months ago and am just getting recovered from that. So it will give me some interesting vids to watch.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 🙏 Sorry you had a heart attack, I hope you'll be healthy and strong from here on out 💪 Eat lots of healthy foods! Have you seen this video from Scientists Against Myths, where the sculptor Olga recreates an ancient Egyptian stone vessel using only primitive tools? I bet you would love this 😁 It's great to ask questions and seek to understand how things were accomplished in the ancient world 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6KVfHqHls-Zd9E
@JaneAlwaysWellSaid
@JaneAlwaysWellSaid Жыл бұрын
were they built around the boxes?
@thomasmrkeby6488
@thomasmrkeby6488 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know it is a sarcophagus? Has it been found remains within? Certain of how they where made, can an experiment be done to show this and actually make one? Has the stone been analysed with a electron microscope or similar to investigate the composition? How can you assume age of a stone from a story?
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
We know these are sarcophagi because more than 1,000 stone stelae were discovered in the Serapeum by Auguste Mariette, that detail the entire historical timeline of the site, one Apis Bull burial at a time. They discuss digging the tunnels, burying the bulls, how many weeks and months and days it took them to make the boxes, carve the chambers and transport them into the chambers. They discuss how many workers were doing the work, how many days of holiday they had between working days, and so much more. It is very clear that the Dynastic Egyptians made the Serapeum. Bull remains were not found inside of the stone sarcophagi, because they were looted in ancient times. But Mariette found many mummies of bulls in wooden sarcophagi in the older "Lesser Galleries" that connect to the larger tunnels. There were a total of 64 Apis Bulls buried in the Serapeum in total. Please watch our first video on the Serapeum, where we discuss the stone cutting experiments that people have done in order to prove that primitive tools are definitely capable of achieving this degree of stone work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6rWiodoa5WXp7c
@stevefaure415
@stevefaure415 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence So--I guess what you're saying is we have absolutely no idea of what they were used for and they are probably at least 100,000 years old and carved by aliens using lost high technology, right? Snarkiness aside, I appreciate these very few sober and thoughtful historical accounts that use actual scholastic findings rather than the hysterical alt-history timelines and arguments so often proposed on KZbin. It's very easy to get caught up in that and is a tremendous disservice to all the people who have spent lifetimes in study piecing together the past. Not to mention that it ignores the truth, which even if more prosaic than lost high technology is nonetheless the truth. Thanks!
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevefaure415 Well said 🙏
@joearchuleta7538
@joearchuleta7538 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence sarcophagi = Flesh Eater in Ancient Greek
@egyptinmysteerit9731
@egyptinmysteerit9731 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. Japanese team tried to build a pyramid (height 10 meters) in Giza in the 70's with hand tools, they failed, in the end they had to use machines. Same thing with Mark Lehner's pyramid construction experiment (in the 90's if I remember correctly). In a new pyramid documentary it was shown how to transport large stones (1-2 tons) in the Nile with ancient methods and when they were loading the stone to the boat they used a crane. Theory and reality..
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 жыл бұрын
The Sciences in Ancient Greece & Rome: How Far Did They Get? on YT In the Q&A at the end he talks about that. The people doing it weren't masons or tradespeople, an old stone mason walked by and saw how badly they were working and helped them out. This is a common theme in these made for TV documentaries, totally inexperienced people trying to do work that they have no experience in doing. The reverse would be a master carpenter trying to do the books for a large business. Of course he will fail, therefore it's impossible to do taxes and payroll? The experiments that mystery lost tech keep showing and talking about are done by scholars for documentaries rather than by people who do low tech as a living. Mark Lerner presented an experiment to replicate the sphinxes nose, for a documentary with a 2 week time frame. It was a cringe fest as the so called "ancient tool experts" used annealed copper chisels, they use a stone hammer and swing it high above their heads? The modern tools were brought in to get it in done in the time frame demanded by the film crew. That is in the documentary "HD Documentary Egyptian Sphinx - RIDDLES OF THE SPHINX" can be found on YT. The boat you mention, again the people doing it are not skilled in moving. But ancient cranes reconstructions can easily do it, old timers in quarries and logging sites moved and lifted those types of weights with ease using lo tech. Ask an Amish person how they do things without modern tech rather than a city slicker trying it for the first time. You are painting things in a way that encourages mystery theory but not in the reality of known ancient methods, which were standard procedure for many people even up to WW2, and in some parts of the world still being used today.
@egyptinmysteerit9731
@egyptinmysteerit9731 2 жыл бұрын
@@SacredGeometryDecoded This is easy peasy, again you just need to look at the concave granite stone in Abu Roash and explain all the details.
@egyptinmysteerit9731
@egyptinmysteerit9731 2 жыл бұрын
@@SacredGeometryDecoded If someone thinks that peace of stone was carved with hand tools, then there must be something seriously wrong with his/her thinking.
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
The Japanese team wasn't building on a solid section of land and had to pour massive amounts of concrete for a base. Local quarries started price gouging for materials and labor. As mentioned lack of experience in building pyramids by the team. The project over budget fan bear from day one and was doomed from the start. But it gets trotted out by the grasping at straws component of the LAHT crowd.
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 жыл бұрын
@@egyptinmysteerit9731 the tombs of Holy Roman Emperors make those boxes look like , well, boxes. But everything everywhere is advanced machines I guess.
@stephenbailey0278
@stephenbailey0278 2 жыл бұрын
My personal opinion is that this video is very short-sighted as to how amazing the craftsman of these boxes were. We don't even truly understand what they used them for. I would love to see a vid from you that explains away the stone jars of Saqqara, and how they hollowed them out? You should expand your thinking before you start to *respectfully* demean other people's theories/work IMHO.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of being short sided, it’s evident that you didn’t watch our part 1 video on the Serapeum, which is dedicated entirely to the subject of how these sarcophagi were cut, shaped and polished. And we do know what they were used for: as sarcophagi for the Apis Bulls. We’re almost done with our part 3 video, in which we break down the chronological timeline of the entire history of the Serapeum, one Apis burial at a time, chamber by chamber, sarcophagus by sarcophagus. This is one you won’t want to miss. The Egyptians left thousands and thousands of inscribed artifacts that told many many details of the 1,300+ year history of this site. They even told us how long it took them to excavate chambers and move the sarcophagi into them. There’s no question as to who made this site. Once you look at all the evidence, including the hieroglyphic records and artifacts that were found in the 60+ chambers, it’s obvious.
@stephenbailey0278
@stephenbailey0278 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresenceYes you are correct, I have not seen part 1. I appreciate your reply, but you failed to acknowledge the stone vases I mentioned. The point is that we do not know how they perfectly hollowed out the interior of those jars found in the step pyramid. Please reply with an explaination if you have one. Also there are so many other examples of craftsmanship that our current civilization would either be hard-pressed to recreate today, or that are impossible with our current level of technology. In my humble opinion I think it is crazy to think that ancient builders would put all of the effort needed to create these, just to bury Apis bulls. When one of the sealed boxes was blown up with explosives was there a bull in the box? I think they may have found 1 *I could be wrong*, but if that were the case could that have been left by a different civilization, not the the initial craftsmen? Usurping of others work was commonplace in Ancient Egypt. Even if there are writings to back that up, do those writings also include info about the construction of these boxes? To me saying these boxes were for bull burials, is like saying the great pyramid is a tomb. ✌
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
Might help to actually document a consistent pattern of perfectly hollowed out vessels.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, please provide some real evidence that proves how perfectly carved these vessels are. Odds are that out of the 40,000 of them, most are probably just standard level of hand craftsmanship while some are of extra fine quality. And how about you try to recreate one by hand to see if it can be done? Scientists Against Myths did exactly that, several times and achieved great results. People just say things like “impossible with our current level of technology” without any stone cutting experience or awareness of the capabilities of ancient stone carvers who worked slowly and mastered their crafts. Throughout history, people have created masterpieces by hand time and time again. Yet only today, since we created rapid machine technology, do people speculate that the things we see in Egypt are impossible to recreate by hand. Keep in mind that Christopher Dunn only measured ONE SINGLE BOX in the Serapeum. And who has precisely measured the 40,000 vessels you’re referring to…? Probably nobody. We have an incomplete set of data to support that these items are so advanced, that they would be impossible to make by hand. Our part 1 video, we showed many stone cutting experiments that prove how it can be done. UnchartedX said achieving a 1.5 micron polish is impossible and Sacred Geometry Decoded achieved it no problem and filmed the whole process of polishing and measuring it with a surface roughness gauge. All this talk of “impossible” keeps getting proved wrong again and again, so be careful with that kind of thinking. Did you watch our part 1 video? In part 3, which we’re finishing up probably today, we’ll show you the full historical timeline of the Serapeum and discuss why the Egyptians went to such lengths to honor their sacred deity. With all their wealth and power and religious importance to reenact the rituals of life, death and resurrection… of course they would make these grand stone sarcophagi for their god and bury them underground in a sacred catacomb in the larger necropolis of Saqqara, the most sacred burial ground of them all. It all makes perfect sense, if you read the historical accounts. One must study the full scope of the topic to understand it properly. Cheers.
@davidhenneberg2661
@davidhenneberg2661 2 жыл бұрын
Take all the time and money that you need. Recreate one of those boxes and I might believe you that the Egyptians could have done it. Even use power tools and see how well you can do
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open 2 жыл бұрын
So you have not researched at all? You have not seen demonstrations of cutting and coring granite? Please donate the cash for materials, labor and training and a full size box can be created and delivered to your front door.
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt anyone has the desire to put the time, money, and effort into replicating a huge sarcophagus just to try to appease the ancient aliens or has to have been refugees from Atlantis crowds. In the meantime we will just have to settle for a nice body of proof of concept.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Making an entire sarcophagus would be unbelievably expensive, would require a group of people to dedicate months or years of their lives to to, is an extremely unreasonable request and is just not going to happen, plain and simple. We only need experiments that demonstrate the basic stone working principles required to make these boxes. Remember, that the boxes are not even as precise as people have been led to believe they are. And polishing stone surfaces down to 1.5 microns flatness, measured by a surface roughness gauge, is no mystery. The Serapeum boxes are not space age precision. There's no need to replicate an entire sarcophagus.
@rockysexton8720
@rockysexton8720 2 жыл бұрын
But the default argument is always gonna be to demand an exact replica. Even if you did it they would just move the goalpost and say it took to long or you didn't video tape every step, or you weren't dressed like Egyptians when you did it. If a video like this doesn't give people serious second thoughts about supporting LAHT then they should be discussing their issues with a therapist instead of posting nonsense here.
@davidhenneberg2661
@davidhenneberg2661 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence I have worked with marble even with power tools and it's very difficult. I can't imagine using such primitive tools I can understand how the primitive tools would work on the limestone but not on the Rose granite which has a hardness of 8 or 7 where the copper is only at a four
@edith2243
@edith2243 Жыл бұрын
How did they get the 25 ton lit back on top? In such a small room...
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
With clever and intelligent techniques
@GroberWeisenstein
@GroberWeisenstein 2 жыл бұрын
Guys. Great video. Your channel is maturing quickly largely due to your committed efforts. The french architect Jean-pierre Houdin was one of the last to bring these findings to light. His voice and participation faded as he butted political obstacles. It's fantastic to see you guys revive these issues even going so far to fully translate original sources of vital information. Keep laying down the solid facts to which no dissension will find a foothold.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support! It's certainly quite a journey we've been on and we've come full circle through so many alternative theories to find that so much of that speculation is unfounded and doesn't hold water. In Part II, we'll break down some pretty epic stuff and show the entire historical timeline of the site, chamber by chamber, bull by bull, dynasty by dynasty. Hopefully the LAHT folks will pay attention lol 😁
@richardlilley6274
@richardlilley6274 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and hard work' Sharing knowledge is how we eventually become
@mikebarnes-co9jg
@mikebarnes-co9jg 18 сағат бұрын
Why were the boxes for the bulls left empty
@mma_baby
@mma_baby Жыл бұрын
Very interesting guys, thanks. Can someone calculate how long it would take do dig out the underground network?
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Well they did it over a period of about 1,300 years, step by step, but it’s not such a big site really and the tunnels could’ve been carved out fairly swiftly. You could brainstorm perhaps just a handful of months or maybe a year or two if they did it in one pass.
@DANTHETUBEMAN
@DANTHETUBEMAN 2 жыл бұрын
Many people say they don't know what boxes of that size are doing in underground tunnels with dug outs for the boxes.
@vernonkuhns3561
@vernonkuhns3561 2 жыл бұрын
How many saw blades would have been required to cut one box...
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Who knows 🤷‍♂ Did you see our first video of our series on the Serapeum? We discuss primitive methods of sawing, drilling, hammering, polishing...
@vernonkuhns3561
@vernonkuhns3561 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence Why I asked. Using copper with sand and a little water means the blades will wear quickly especially if there is any speed creating more heat.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Check out this article which discusses this in depth. It's totally feasible to use copper and sand to saw through granite; you don't actually lose as much material. antropogenez.ru/sawing/
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 жыл бұрын
@@vernonkuhns3561 all the experiments I did has granite being cut at approx 8 to 1 wear in the copper. It wears rather slowly in relation to the granite. Measured by volume the granite does much worse versus the copper. The abrasive gets embedded in the saw blade much like diamond embedded in modern stone cutting tools. Creates a sort of protective layer to slow the wearing of the copper. You’d only need 1 blade though since the worn copper is trapped in the abrasive slurry and is panned out and recycled. By the end of it all virtually no copper would be lost. If the boss wasn’t keeping track then clever workers would be selling it
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence How many boxes have you actually cut yourself? Please, document your methods. You seem quite sure of yourself. The proof is in the pudding ;)
@Antonocon
@Antonocon 7 ай бұрын
Have these guys made a video on how the granite and diorite pots, that are accurate around their circumference to thousandths of an inch, were made?
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 7 ай бұрын
Scientists against myths actually just made a video where they made a diorite vase using primitive tools - go check it out on their channel!
@Antonocon
@Antonocon 7 ай бұрын
@@AncientPresence Interesting video alright. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q57Ll6mqn952ptU
@user-ud2ij7ro5c
@user-ud2ij7ro5c 2 жыл бұрын
Only ‘48’ tons…….
@cyklop1977
@cyklop1977 2 жыл бұрын
only :)
@stevett225
@stevett225 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video well researched, thank you 🙏
@SacredGeometryDecoded
@SacredGeometryDecoded 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Especially for making those texts more widely available.
@MaxKraft5
@MaxKraft5 2 жыл бұрын
Great work! Sad to see these toxic comments from people who dismiss all evidence and reasoning because of "alternative" dogma.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
People put up blinders when their reality is challenged or threatened 🤷‍♂️
@ryanwills-37
@ryanwills-37 2 жыл бұрын
Pounding stones still isnt the answer for the great craftsmanship of these hard materials
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Please go watch our first video in this series. We discuss how effective pounding stones actually are in excavating granite. It wouldn't take that long, relatively, to hollow out an entire sarcophagus using this method.
@SiriusB2023
@SiriusB2023 Жыл бұрын
Apis bulls ... Yeah ...rigth !! And what about that huge obelisk in Aswan? Was it pounded also ?
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Most likely yes. That would easily explain the many grooves that people call scoop marks, by a hundred or so laborers working shoulder to shoulder pounding away in their own little channels.
@throwdoffbones7738
@throwdoffbones7738 2 жыл бұрын
In a word, OUTSTANDING! Thank ya'll and keep up the good work.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love! 🙏
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sanity. Thank you for explaining understandably and compassionately.
@BonHomie87
@BonHomie87 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t get it twisted all you imaginative ancient alien theorists out there. Your colorful suppositions and engaging opinions on the colossally misunderstood and incomplete records of so many ancient mysteries although perhaps debatably inaccurate are nonetheless awe-inspiring and well constructed works of historical fiction that I will no doubt continue to gravitate towards when feeding my voracious appetite for the fantastic-no matter how many sober and logical arguments and concrete evidence is brought to bear upon this subject and those like it.
@apoco_lips9957
@apoco_lips9957 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, this makes so much sense. So glad you made this
@syindrome
@syindrome 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for actually going through the evidence :)
@garygallozzi2979
@garygallozzi2979 Жыл бұрын
Another outstanding presentation,quickly becoming one of my favourite channels,thank you very much
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence Жыл бұрын
Awesome, glad you enjoy our work! We’re happy to have you on board the journey with us. You’ll love part III also 😉
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 2 жыл бұрын
Ppl from 1800s still were used to animal and human labor. They saw every day how it was normal to sweat and take much longer to do a job and do it with skill. To move blocks slowly along a corridor was an expectation.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Totally
@johnocafrain1004
@johnocafrain1004 5 ай бұрын
I'll be reading Le Serapeum de Memphis in French. Meanwhile, I have a couple of questions. While would they use wooden winches in the iron age? How much weight can a wooden winch take? When turning the box 90 degrees you'll need more than 2.5 ton pull as you are coming off the rollers. That's it for the moment.
@Sharon-t4q5w
@Sharon-t4q5w Ай бұрын
Thanks for following the evidence.
@iang1
@iang1 2 жыл бұрын
You should be congratulated for the clear hard work you've done researching and translating books re the work done by the serapeum's 1800's explorers. For me a big part of the verification for this site being created by 'dynastic' Egyptians will be part 3 and the stelae detailing the construction, intriguing especially as they seemingly didn't leave such information that we know of regarding their greatest achievement, the three main pyramids, sphinx etc. So it will be fascinating if we have a 'genuine' 'construction manual' for the serapeum written in stone. I agree your video should start a discussion with other researchers. Unfortunately the default position is usually for all parties to retreat to their own. Well, in fairness to all followers of this subject, who sustain it, a discussion damn well should be had, not tit for tat, comment to comment, but a round table or zoom discussion
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome comment and for supporting our work! Indeed, part III will unveil the historical records in the stone stelae, which will blow some peoples' minds. The Egyptians recorded the extension of tunnels, the excavation of chambers, how many workers worked for how many days//weeks/months in order to carve a sarcophagus and transport it into its chamber and even how many holidays they took off from their work. It's all written in the stone. We would also love to do a round table discussion about the evidence found at sites like the Serapeum and we actually invited this before, but one party was not interested, unfortunately. Maybe some day. In the mean time, we're planning on doing more podcasts about this topic with interesting people, to keep the conversation developing in a healthy way and analyze the real history of places like the Serapeum.
@zacharymilos392
@zacharymilos392 2 жыл бұрын
Should have so many more than 21k subs. Great effort and work.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support 🙏 our channel is growing slowly but surely 🤘
@deefacebook9213
@deefacebook9213 Жыл бұрын
But no bulls were found in the grand gallery, just the lesser with wooden boxes. Hmmm. Still a mystery. Maybe they mooed on to the after life. Love your work will watch part 3. Thank You!
@MR-zj1oy
@MR-zj1oy Жыл бұрын
How would you remove the last sand under the box??? Not possible.
@Eyes_Open
@Eyes_Open Жыл бұрын
Hmm. Someone forgot to tell Mariette that it was not possible.
@thedoctor359
@thedoctor359 Жыл бұрын
Amazing work guys!
@bruceames9224
@bruceames9224 2 жыл бұрын
Your study has solid validity in regard to moving large stones. Agreed. This does prompt me to question, however, the amount of time invested in moving and manpower invested ~ it would be tremendous. It’s one thing to speculate moving moving the boxes into the pyramid. Then extrapolate these tried and true simple methods for moving every single block of the pyramids. We’re talking thousands of years just to build the pyramid. Yes, it’s possible. But it’s a matter of scale. Next, there’s still the glaring question of how the old kingdom bronze tools can shape stones of granite. Again, sure, it could be done, but the manpower and hours of time input would be tremendously large. It is an unanswered question. The mysteries are not solved and as we apply modern high precision analysis the disconnect of old kingdom capability from the physical evidence before us begs, no screams that we have not got it right with the dating.
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for being respectful in your questioning. These boxes would have been made in the New Kingdom and Ptolemaic periods of egypt - a time when bronze and iron were being used. There are still many mysteries, we dont have it all figured out - but we have found more and more evidence that has proved many of our beliefs about high technology wrong.
@WJansen
@WJansen Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your time! Lets say. Try to make one today.. 😛
@__tay__6074
@__tay__6074 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. One question though.. If it was the dynastic Egyptians who made and moved these blocks and there was evidence for them doing so, why didn't they finish the job?? Seems a mystery just leaving that box in the corridor?
@AncientPresence
@AncientPresence 2 жыл бұрын
We answered that question at the 24 minute mark in the video 😉
@__tay__6074
@__tay__6074 2 жыл бұрын
@@AncientPresence cant believe i missed that :)
@WJansen
@WJansen Жыл бұрын
There is also a France group. That try to proof back in the 90s that alot of egyptian lime stone is Geopolymer (sort of bio cement) and they made a couple of 1.5t blocks. There is a good video of them on yt. Maybe they did it also in granite who knows. I dont know what to think of that but if its true it explains 95% of all ancient sites..
@microoinc
@microoinc Жыл бұрын
Brilliant ! Great work demystifying the much talked about Serapeum. My interests are tube drills, just the process of making from scratch . If you ever cross this subject I would love to know, MICHAEL.
@Engineering_Science
@Engineering_Science Жыл бұрын
7:55 - This 50 ton granite was sitting on sand?... wtf
@N.Eismann
@N.Eismann Жыл бұрын
Neither the wood nor the 'unlowered' box with its 4 niches described by Mariette were ever found/analysed again? Aren't all boxes imbalanced due to them having their lid pushed off (except the blown up one)? If this is the case, he must have opened this one - which I hope he says. Seems to be a bit odd nevertheless. The method of lowering would also mean that you'd see all the boxes sit on top of some rectangular base filled with sand or have them inbalanced since you have to leave a residual amount of sand below them
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
So Mariette made up that story?
@RedDarkBull
@RedDarkBull Жыл бұрын
@@Leeside999 No, but the stories are contradicting Sand under the box means that the box is unfinished, however, there are still 1 more box in the passage, if Apis is really so great and so important, why manythings left unfinished, and incomplete, and even no burial mummy found ?
@Leeside999
@Leeside999 Жыл бұрын
@@RedDarkBull there are many reasons why something may be left unfinished. Could have been costs. Could have been that a particular pharaoh died before completion. Could have been the change in rulers at that time. There are many projects left unfinished in modern times. Bull mummies were found in the lesser galleries. There were over a thousand stele found documenting the history of the serapeum found on site. Nit-picking at the evidence ignores the bigger picture.
@faragraf9380
@faragraf9380 Ай бұрын
did you research that different marks on the boxes? quaders, strokes. Our Egyptologist didn’t know about.
@jaminbenlavandera5717
@jaminbenlavandera5717 2 жыл бұрын
Very good and thorough review. Keep up the great work.
@paulajah1
@paulajah1 Жыл бұрын
There is a video of a guy demonstrating how he erects large stone blocks with the concept of leverage. i agree that a lot of archeologist are romancing the idea of mystery seeking rather than plausible solutions. id look for countries that are still labor intensive in the construction industry and see how they would figure out the solution.
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