Boss ME90 vs Valeton GP200 - Which Will You Prefer?

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

I was all about the high end boards like Helix, Axe Effect III, etc. and they're fabulous, no doubt. But then my cousin who is a gigging musician upgraded his board and I got his old board for almost nothing. That board was the Boss ME-80. At first I scoffed at it with all it's knobs and simple controls...then I had an epiphany. I was spending more time tweaking the infinite variables on my Helix than playing. With the ME-80, you turn a few knobs, stomp on a few switches and you're DONE. This is not a knock on the Helix or any other modeler. It's a knock on human tendencies. The ME-80 sounds great, so simple to use and you spend your time playing. Same as the Epiphone Valve Jr. amp. An on/off switch and one volume knob. Nothing else. Brilliant.

[@TheDilligan]

I think people get distracted. I've learned that on the Helix I can leave almost any effect or amp on it's default settings. I'll grab a effect and maybe turn one knob slightly and leave it. My fingers and the speaker I'm using for monitoring have a much bigger effect on the tone.

[@richardervins]

It‘s not just brilliant - you‘re just lazy. 😁

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@richardervins Oh no! I have been insulted on KZbin! And I was promised that there were no trolls! Someone lied to me...

[@Tiago_007]

I agree. I have a Spark, a Headrush, Black Spirit 200, Pod Go, but still can’t part with my Me-80.

[@richardervins]

@@valuedhumanoid6574 probably. 😆 But I‘m not a troll. Just someone that‘s kind of tired of having to read - and sometimes even give advice to - complaining musicians that are too lazy or too dumb to rtfm or even just work a little with their equipment. 😎✌️

[@Yoni168]

The robot announcing “Digital John” is one of my favorite things ever

[@donaldmilne5352]

You can certainly chnage pedal order on the Valeton, both physically and via the app, you just hold down the param knob until it enters "manage signal chain" mode then you can select blocks and move them about. I'll also note, boost pedals appear under both Pre and Dist so if you want say a compressor and a boost, you can (though you can't then have distortion).

[@MikaelKonradsson]

If this is true Im definetly getting one! I have been asking around a ton regarding this question since its important to me, and no Other ”cheaper” multi fx does not have this function

[@Sam-lq8ix]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@MikaelKonradsson Yeah this is true I have the jr and once you connect it to its software you can move around the order however you like

[@CarloLibertini]

I bought a Valeton GP-200 over a year ago now after watching Andertons first video featuring it... After one year of testing, gigging, and rehearsal's I can honestly say that does hit way above its price class. In fact it is now the heart of my current floor-board setup. I pair it with a Marshall Origin 50 watt head and a custom built 2 x 12 cabinet with Eminence Private Jack guitar speakers when playing live. The GP-200 is highly intuitive, easy to use, and simply sounds great. Cheers!..

[@rmcf3972]

How about the delay when switching? I read comments on that. I am thinking of getting the valeton gp200.

[@CarloLibertini]

Great question. I have had no issues when changing presets during the two gigs I tested it through. Even after a year I still find its price to performance ratio hard to believe… Not a huge investment, and perhaps worth trying. That’s what I did… cheers!

[@SergioGarcia-hp3nw]

vamos es la pedalera del año ya te lo digo yo, no hay nada en ese precio con esa calidad tanto de sonido como de facil manejo

[@photoniccannon2117]

I was gonna go for a Line6 Pod Go, but all of the people raving about this GP-200 thing has me seriously considering it.

[@cartsp]

The new 1.4 firmware update allows 8 control switches to be used with the gp200 instead of the 4 previously

[@Simbosan]

Thing I like about the Boss is pretty much any effect, set all the dials to `12 and it will sound great. They've done such a good job at making stuff instant

[@smacker360]

I have the Valeton GP 200 and absolutely love it. It took very little time to become completely comfortable with it and I can get absolutely any sound I want/need. I run a Boss DD200 with my Valeton to stack distortion etc. and it compliments it well. There are many times I sit down just to play with the settings and different sounds and 100% of the time I find a sound immediately and play an hour or so never getting to the others. I think it's a flaw we all have, lol, if it sounds good just play.

[@steveeckert8396]

Buy a ToneX and put it in the FX loop and you will love the GP 200 even more...I know I do

[@ivanfoofoo]

I think the main problem with the Valentin is the absence of a harmonizer

[@smacker360]

@@ivanfoofoo I never use one

[@cartsp]

@@ivanfoofoo it has a new effect called Hammy for pitch shifting with the expression pedal with harmony as an option in the new 1.4 patch, but I haven't tried it yet

[@ivanfoofoo]

@@cartsp Please let me know, as that is the only thing that makes me not wanna buy it!

[@tomedwards81]

Worth mentioning that the Boss has a bunch of extra effects and amps accessible via the Tone Studio software. You can also assign these ‘hidden’ amps/effects to be accessible at the turn of a knob on the unit itself. I like the Deluxe Reverb, which is one of these hidden amps so I’ve set it to replace the Recti Stack on the unit as I’m not a high gain player. Pretty handy.

[@brakemcgaughey5724]

How do you assign them? I was having trouble figuring this out earlier.

[@elantric]

Read the BTS for ME-90 PDF manual

[@davideckford1282]

Still using an ME70 and a telecaster straight into the PA most weekends.......works for me

[@Edwardobartolo]

As a Boss-ME80 owner, it’s wild to see everything that the Valeton includes for the price. That looks like one hell of a unit.

[@Davo2233]

Dont let the pretty colors fool you. That is a small rip off of helix or axefx.

[@Edwardobartolo]

@@Davo2233 I’m guessing in a good way?

[@Davo2233]

@@Edwardobartolo I mean within reason. I don’t know if id gig with it but its great for practice or for newer guitarists to play with fx and see what they actually like and not just the latest pretty friggin pedal

[@fuzzb0x436]

​@@Davo2233it's more than just the " latest pretty pedal " the valeton is a lot of gear for your money with a lot of customisation options and 3-4 firmware updates a year adding new features. For £300 thats a pretty good deal but the added plus is this unit sounds really good and there's plenty of patches you can download for it.

[@wileym]

@@Davo2233Also an ME80 owner. I've gigged with the ME80 and I've played around with a Pod Go enough that I would gig with that. Do they do everything the Helix does? Of course not but they do plenty. The Valeton looks like a match for the Pod Go at the very least and the ME90 looks way better than the ME80. Pretty sure I could gig with either of them too. The Helix does way more than I need, want or want to pay for.

[@OfJaggedRisings]

Bought the Valeton because of you guys and love it! Great affordable way to dip your toes into amp sims, irs, etc.

[@trentreimer130]

One thing that Boss consistently does better than everyone else is keep signal processing time to a minimum -- less than a millisecond for the ME-90. That's basically analog immediacy. No doubt you can do more signal processing if you take more time, and other products have that covered. I just appreciate Boss offering something for players who enjoy immediate feedback.

[@daniloberserk]

It's nice... But let's be realistic here. If you move just a inch away from the amp, this "advantage" goes away anyway. As long as it is at least 8ms (and you don't daisy chain multiple digital modellers), I think it's fine.

[@artysanmobile]

Boss, and Roland as well, make very high end digital products that make use of engineering a small company could never afford. Dedicated DSP brings delays WAY down below anything without it can manage. To me, latency is a make-or-break feature. The Valeton’s is 4 times as long as the industry leader Boss. There are worse but I consider 3ms to be the line and Valeton’s is close to 5ms. That’s a no-go for me. Whether recording or performing, ANY ambiguity in meter is the ultimate groove killer.

[@artysanmobile]

@@daniloberserk Not sure where you get your math from. Sound travels a very handy 1 foot per ms (actually 1.1ms). Moving an inch yields a delay 0f 90 microseconds. Boss is the industry leader in latency with an amazing 1.1ms. The Valeton is close to 5ms. The Valeton’s latency would equate to more than 40 inches of distance change over the Boss, nothing near “an inch.” Most recording engineers consider 3ms to be a break point. We use DAWs that can use external DSP for signal processing and routing to hold latency to sub 3ms with hundreds of processes and multiple subgroups because that’s just the way music production works.

[@WutipongWongsakuldej]

I used to have ME-70 back in the day. The strength of this kind of unit is the on-the-fly adjustments. You can play in a bed room with headphones with all the settings, and bring it to the studio and adjust it to work with real amp within seconds. Most multi-effects in the market can't do this. Also you have a few different kind of effects available to choose. It's like a middle ground between multi-effect units and pedalboard. Personally I don't find myself using preset mode all that often. More often on the manual mode. I moved on to GT-100 and later Helix LT, but still miss the simplicity of it. I don't go to rehearsal studio as much anymore. I probably get one (or build a small pedal board, or probably Tech21 flyrig unit) if I have go to the studio more often I think.

[@QuoVadis88]

The fact that you don't have to explain the Boss ME-90 makes it the clear winner.

[@skate_oasis]

As a longtime Boss user (had an ME-50 for years as a teenager and I've been playing an ME-70 for a decade) I'm really stoked to see the ME line continuing to improve and evolve with the times. I love having all of my settings available visually, I'm not a huge fan of menu diving (especially when compared to having physical knobs to twist). I know this doesn't have as many amp/cabinet models as other sims, but I tend to use the same 2-3 amp models again and again, so I don't see this as a huge drawback. Definitely added this to my wishlist!

[@dannyharvey7398]

Boss are Boss for good reason. They make the best pedals, you just need to select the right one and tweak away - compact, silent switching, durable, what’s not to like. I’ve traveled down the rabbits hole of boutique pedals and almost always arrive back at a Boss pedal, including the way underrated ME-80.

[@filipaerts8997]

What do you think of MXR?

[@dannyharvey7398]

@@filipaerts8997 It doesn’t really matter what I think about MXR, I have and use an MXR EQ pedal and love it. I also have an MXR Phase 90 that has the noisiest switch ever, and it’s fairly new. The point I was trying to make is that Boss make great pedals at affordable prices generally speaking, and you’re not really benefited greatly by spending 100’s or 1000’s of dollars on boutique stuff, I’m not against other brands, but it’s often a rabbit’s hole, and Boss has usually got it covered fairly well anyway with perhaps a few exceptions.

[@DestructorALU]

avg boss fanboy

[@MusicWizard85]

I still have a 10 year old Fender Mustang IV v2 2x12 modeling amp that sounds good to my ears! It was around $500-$600 USD when I got it new.

[@Spymoni]

Hands down the ME90. No delay at all when switching between presets, which makes it perfect for live applications. The "drop out" from the Valeton when switching between the presets, made me sell it right away.

[@playwusnow4579]

Really? I also looking for, So, which one better for "real user" Experience?

[@Mark-OutWest]

Hmm interesting. I don't see why you can't just have everything you need to get through a song in your one preset. Change presets between songs.

[@kernelspy]

Even POD GO has a bit of delay with switching presets but I use it as a stomp mode so it acts like a regular pedalboard

[@Piitaa_Pain]

At our old rehersal space there was a small shipping container that worked as a put and take. I once found an original Boss ME-6 that "only" needed a bit of solder on the board and the jack input .. still working flawless even though the o.d. and distortion isn't worth writing home about

[@XANZ09]

You can change the signal path in the valeton btw in case anyone was wondering

[@stoneysdead689]

Jesus Christ- it's literally depressing sometimes how good these damn kids are now. I have guitars older than Digital John, and he can out play me. I hear you bud- more power to you, you're going to be a monster by the time you reach my age, if you stay on this path. I'm sure having access to the shop and your dad knowing all these amazing players for you to learn from helped but- I think you're also just naturally inclined to it. You're one of those ppl who has "it"- no idea what the hell "it" is- but you got it. Take advantage of that fact man- you'll have an amazing life.

[@redryderaus]

I'm a little bit older than perhaps many here. My memory is getting a bit slow/faulty but us oldies still like to play guitar. Trying to remember what the different LED combo's mean on the BOSS would be frustrating for me. The screen on the Valeton is way better for someone like me. It seems I can SEE what I'm doing. The ME-90 relies too much on a young persons memory for my liking.

[@arghyabakshi85]

In case of durability I think Boss will be better

[@Tone-Quest]

You can change the order of the pedals in Valeton GP-200, I do it all the time.

[@TheDilligan]

The ME-90 is great. I loved the ME-80 when I had it, but since growing and trying a bunch of different things and coming back to the ME-90, there are some key issues I have with it. 1. You cannot run two drives at once. FX-1 has a clean boost on it, but you sacrifice you Comp, auto-wah, etc. FX2 has a boost as well, but you sacrifice your EQ or whatever else. And those are just boosts, not drives. 2. Only switches 3 and 4, for the Mod and Delay blocks offer tap tempo. And Tempo is not global. So this means that if I am using a delay on the FX2 block, I cannot use tap tempo. Why would you use the delay on the FX2 block? Well the looper is on the Delay block. So if you want to use the looper AND delay, the only way you can do it is run your delay on the FX2 block. 3. Reverb is just one knob. What I would really love is a dedicated reverb block with the entire Boss RC-6 built into this thing. Especially since all of the reverbs feel like they don't offer enough at their maximum settings. 4. For some reason the Overdrives are crazy loud. I need to turn the level on them almost all the way down to not clip my speakers. The amps clip often too. You can see how andertons had to set the overall output level knob of the unit lower. I prefer the HX stomp where I can just leave it at maximum because its a passive volume knob. You can solve all these things by sticking the ME-90 on a pedalboard and using the FX loop to add in external effects. It fits perfectly on a pedal train metro24 with some space on the sides. If you own enough stompboxes for a full rig, then this feels weird. Like I have a full pedalboard. I just wanted the ME-90 as a fly rig. I prefer the HX stomp for that usage. However if you only own two pedals, then it can be great to get the ME-90 and just throw your two other pedals in there.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

I bought the ME90 because it is so powerful but also intuitive. I haven't had it very long but i am enjoying it so far. I don't have any pedals and i got it because its cheaper than gambling on some individual pedals. My dad has also used his ME for many years and it's been a solid tool. I am just someone who plays for fun and while i know you can get better tones out of more expensive kit, for my purposes it more than provides what i am looking for.

[@arghyabakshi85]

What do you mean by the powerful? Depth of the tones? Can you please explain?

[@nineteenninetyfive]

@@arghyabakshi85 a large range of sound options

[@costa_martins]

Why would you mic an FRFR cab (and do it like you'll mic a regular guitar cab!) instead of recording the direct signal?!

[@claudioacevedoc]

Thank you both for the review. I have the Valeton and just wanted to confirm that is possible to change the order of any effect in the loop. It can be done in the desktop app by just dragging them and in the device from the loop view by selecting with the main know the effect to move and then press this know for around one second. I love this unit, in particular the amps and cabs. As a tip to tame the harshness of the digital amp emulations, I recommend using the S-Comp which by default mix half of the pure sound of the signal with a mild compressed signal, which in the default positions keeps most of dynamics of the guitar and reduces the metallic digital sound and brings up some frequencies making the sound fuller. I also reduce in the general eq around 2 db the bass below 80 hz and highh above 4 Khz. I have downloaded many top IRs gaining in some cases in sound but still the default ones aren't far in quality and the defaults sometimes work better with some amps.

[@rogercrombie4764]

What a fantastic player Digital John is and very modest and down to earth guy superb!

[@elantric]

There remain many important ME-90 functions that are only accessible via the Boss Tone Studio editor. Dont forget the separate ME-90 CAB IR Loader app

[@ThomasG77]

learned to play using a Boss ME-30. Man these things have come a long way.

[@Davo2233]

Might be time to upgrade! I’m still using the digitech RP1000.

[@Luxdg]

I’ve just added the Tonemission Petrucci IR’s to my Boss ME90 and now it sounds 10 time better especially on Hi Gain sounds

[@photoniccannon2117]

I wasn’t especially impressed with the built in EQ on the ME-90 and just got a separate EQ pedal for it (which helped a lot). I plan on diving into IRs eventually, do you have any suggestions on where to get good ones?

[@filtermat]

I like both! I’m a huge Boss fan but I also tried Valeton in a store and I was immediately confident with the workflow

[@rmcf3972]

Did you buy the valeton gp200?

[@filtermat]

Not yet but I have it on the wishlist :) I would be very excited to try also the new Ampero Stage (yes, another budget)

[@MatTurner-e5r]

Gotta lean toward the ME-90, just because I will never understand why you'd put a fancy screen on something you're meant to shitstomp every day. This object is literally meant for you to (maybe drunkenly) kick the shit out of it to operate it. Great place for a fancy screen! The valeton is still really cool tho, especially in a studio setting.

[@fuzzfizz]

I just got the mooer ge300 lite. What I like is, flexible routing, flexible footswitch, Tone capture, user IR and xlr out. I ran 1/4 inch to the fx return of my amp, while xlr to FOH with cab sim and 3rd party IR. I capture the tone of my jcm900 for drive sounds, and my fender combo for clean sounds. It got seperate global eq for the 1/4 inch output and Xlr so I can balance and fine tune the tone if using different amp so both output is great sounding. For QC money you can buy 3 or 4 ge300 lite and have a backup unit, as my friend use his hard earn money to buy QC and it broke less then a year.

[@thesunilrock20]

What's a QC?

[@Mark-OutWest]

@@thesunilrock20Quad Cortex I'm guessing. $1,600 piece of gear there.

[@jonathasvargas2393]

I was missing digital Jon with the digital content hahahaha two absolute amazing piece of gears! The only thing is that you can change the order of effects in Valeton while it comes as an automatic update on the effects chain in the Boss unit - some effects trigger a change on the effects chain which is not customizable. Thanks for the amazing content!

[@bretttrommler756]

I'm in the market for a multi effects pedal. I like the idea of being able to rearrange the order and parallel different effects, etc. Call be weird but I am not, oddly enough, really interested in the IR's or amp modelling. So, my question then, is this... Is there a good multi effects processor out there that has a ton of great features at a decent price (like the Valeton GP-200) that focuses more on the effects and less on the IR's and amp modelling?

[@AndreRodger]

In my point of view, a big advantage of the Valeton over the Boss is having an independent XLR output. This way you can use one channel to connect directly to the PA (with simcab) and another you can send to a return amp or to a cabinet on stage (without simcab). Another thing is being able to change the pedal chain... I think the best way to use the valeton is in stomp mode... I hope I helped, congratulations from Brazil

[@TheBloggingMusician]

Been a.BOSS ME user since the ME50 through to the ME80. The Valeton clearly sounds better, is less expensive and more flexible. Thanks for the vid 😀

[@chriscook7479]

I have both and still go to the ME 90

[@TheBloggingMusician]

@@chriscook7479 easier to tweak?

[@deltawhiskey1398]

Ive owned both...and no it doesn't sound better.

[@photoniccannon2117]

The ME-90’s biggest weakness is that it has a relatively poor EQ on it. I got a separate EQ pedal for mine, which was a game changer in terms of what I could do with it.

[@thomasmartinscott]

I have a Boss ME70 that I've gigged with since 2011. I still LOVE it. I've been playing since the '60s and I've had many, many pedals, etc. I've found that I'm going to find "my" tone and pretty much stick with it. I added an Eventide H90, and it's a lot of fun, but IT still gets added to "my" basic sounds/tones. Either one of these units will give you what you're looking for. I appreciate your unbiased look at both. Very enjoyable video. You actually have me thinking about upgrading to the ME90. I like the ability to turn on and off the individual effects without changing the whole patch. Thanks for your time and effort to make this.

[@BuleriaChk]

I have both and like them both, but for me my Valeton GP200LT is quite extraordinary - and the user interface is like the GT-1 where you can press buttons to turn effects off and on, with a wide choice of tone effects.

[@PhazerTech]

Still rocking my Zoom G5n I purchased in 2017 for only $300. It gets my vote for best multi-FX under 500.

[@d0sk3y]

You should hear the Line6 Pod Go.

[@Eddyvnhln5150]

I believe you can move pedals on the GP in global setting I’ve seen videos of it being done moving volume pedal to stage gain placing volume after amp 😮😮😮 the video is in my list for sure 👍 Valeton GP 200 might be one about scenes or patches

[@TheMusicalEvents]

I have Boss me 80 and thought I need something more modern. Tried me 90 and valeton gp 200. sent both back for different reasons: the valeton for the convoluted adjustment and the Me 90 because it it wasn’t so significantly better than my me80, which I kept, because I love the ease of real-time adjustments. It is so much more close to how I would use effects in my playing. With Caleton I‘d need to preprogram the effect chains, with me 80 I just go with what the moment requires.

[@keithrobinson3023]

Very informative , Recently Andy Timmons was a guest on The Pedal Show with his on the road Pedal Board , he was showing how he blends his pedal to create a sound for his song , here lies the heart. the Pedals he used were very expensive , and i was wondering if you could show something similar using a budget pedal possibly before the Christmas shopping period.

[@alexwoolridge94aw]

Crazy how good digital amps sound nowadays. I want to hate it as I'm a tube amp fanatic but definitely cool

[@M4theusIcaro]

Here in Brazil, a Boss ME90 costs twice as much a Valeton GP200

[@victorparadise5878]

The ME-90 will run on AA batteries. So does a Blackstar Fly3 Stereo Pack. You can use both the instrument out to instrument in setup OR the line out to line in setup with the right stereo cable 😉. It’s the most ridiculous fun! Lee…Make a video showing what I’m talking about!!! Pretty please!!

[@Metallex]

I'm just starting the video and it's hilarious how it goes from the smooth sounds of the Valeton to sounding like utter shit on the ME-90.

[@markerf16]

I owned the boss me 80 for years and loved it. The quality of sounds are a little outdated, but still a solid and fun piece of gear. I don't know about upgrading to the ME90 unless they have upgraded the sounds and overdives in it. The blues driver in the me80 was lacking some, and the reverb just okay. Delay took time to dial in right. Anyway, I don't know if I even want to try the ME90.

[@electrobeats6449]

They are both good, but I think the title is a little misleading. Best in the under £300 range perhaps. Under £500 brings in the Pod Go, very close to the HX Stomp, and also the GX100 from Boss which I have. I compared he GX100 to the ME90, and whilst I loved a lot about the ME90, I felt that the sounds, flexibility and overall feel of the GX100 were better over all, and so I stuck with that. I don't think either of these offer the tones or flexibility of amps, FX, routing that the GX offers, and for £450 I think it's a bargain.

[@ivorharden]

Are Kemper still in business?

[@RyanWright]

I mean, both of the thought processes behind these work, and they both do the thing. Both sound great IMO. That being said, as a Helix user for years now, if I had choose one of these, I would probably do the Valeton just b/c the workflow and all is more similar to the Helix than the Boss is.

[@GuitarBailey]

Boss GX100 all the way very dynamic compared to others less digital sounding

[@aluncrees5141]

I have the ME90 and love it so far because I wanted knobs and no digital menus. I didn't look at the Velaton, which is a shame because it does look easy, but my only gripe with the boss is if I go back to a patch I made, and suddenly want to change anything on it, a small tweak, I'm stuck. That's where the software probably comes in, but I I didn't buy it specifically for that because I wanted a quick and easy board to use. I didn't consider what happens with editing a patch I go back to a week late with the knobs in different positions

[@zanegrace5991]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for. Thank you guys.

[@wilsonwang1981]

I been me50 me70 user, love the stompbox like layout, decent whammy, Harmonix effect, but really had enough of the short life span pot especially expression pedal pot. 2 units experienced same issue put me stop going for boss anymore, now enjoying gp200, only things is harmonix n whammy far from boss offer, but importantly now everything still works fine.

[@Taylort3b]

Gave up on my boss me-70 not because of the tone but rather bending over to change settings. Went to a NUX MG-300 and at first as a table top with QuickTone editor it was a back saving improvement. However, it has become somewhat like HAL in 2001 A Space Odyssey. While playing a preset it likes to add a little of it’s own effects. I have reached out to NUX regarding a fix but heard nothing. Which brings me to my point. As a senior at home guitarist is there a good modestly priced unit that provides some decent black face and tweed amps with a handful of decent effects? Pretend that Digital John is 75. Thanks.

[@tetramputecture]

Late, but have you looked into the Positive Grid Spark amps? They’re smaller modeling amps, sound great, and can be edited thru an app - no need to bend over to adjust anything

[@Nammsayin]

I was hell bent on getting the Boss for about a year or so. After seeing this I ordered the Valeton 30 mins ago.

[@Fallub]

Great options for a budget oriented beginner. Thanks for the video.

[@jimsimmons2674]

How does the new Fender FRFR Cab sound compared to Studio Monitors or other FRFR Powered Speakers like the Headrush FRFR for example?

[@HumbleHeartMinistry]

I’ve had two headrush pedals, a couple line 6 including the pod go, and a bunch more, and I have to admit, I am sick of menus after menus after menus! Just want it to be knobs and everything where I can just dial in my sound without endless menus! Don’t want to download and install ir’s, don’t want to spend hours reading manuals, and figuring out how to navigate through the thing! Just want easy turn a knob and play! So for me the one with the knobs on the outside wins!

[@-WolfMan-]

I was Right to choose the Boss ME-90!! All you need are 2 or 3 good "Amp" selections... ME-90 has 11 to choose from - then you pair that Bad Boy up with the Katana 212 and DUDE!! Now you've got Any and EVERY effect under the Sun that you could ever Hope for!! And Best of All ... They are Absolutely Compatible with each other!!!

[@-WolfMan-]

If you can't figure what sits better in the amp or in the ME-90.... just ask yourself What Stays Constant in ALL your sets. Those will be handled through your Amp. Everything you switch between is gonna work best on the ME-90 ... after all, it's a PEDAL BOARD.

[@-WolfMan-]

I.O.W. - Any IRs, Compression, EQ, Chorus, and Noise Suppression/ Gate is a Constant for my sound (The Boss Katana 212 handles that) But my Distortion, Delay, Wah FX, and anything else I toggle through that is likely gonna be Switched on and off more frequently.... (The Boss ME-90 is set for all this)

[@emvdhout]

Used to have a Me-80. The thing has 1 BIG issue. Same with my black spirit 200 floor. And the ME-90 did NOT fix that. And that is that when you saved a preset and stepped away to another one, the only way to ever find out what the settings were is by using the app. Which I do not do on stage.

[@zeluizsn869]

Hi guys. I'm looking forward to your review of the NUX MG-30!

[@mojo_plasma]

The GP-200 now has 8 control instead of 4 with the new firmware update!!!

[@thesunilrock20]

what does that mean?

[@mojo_plasma]

before, if you were using the unit in pure stomp box mode (One button turning on/off one effect) you could only turn on/off four effects. Now you can use eight.@@thesunilrock20

[@mojo_plasma]

It means that before the update, if you were using the unit strictly as a stomp box ,as in one button turning on/off one effect... you could only have 4 switchable effects. With the new update you have 8.@@thesunilrock20

[@thesunilrock20]

@@mojo_plasma oh got it. what are the effects mainly? also does amp sim and cab count into the effects chain? if so, does the amp and cab take one effect block or multiple?

[@mojo_plasma]

The amp and Cab blocks are parts of the chain and would require their own switches if you were using as strict stomp. However, you can assign any combination of effects (Or ALL Effects) to a single switch if you want.. As in you can bypass amp and cab using 1 switch. You can bypass ALL the effects in the chain with 1 switch if you want. Hope that helps@@thesunilrock20

[@leokimvideo]

Many years ago the POD HD Multi Effects box of tricks was doing all this and lots more. I think with digital pedal boards considering the amount of tinkering they are almost better off sitting on top of your amp and employ a breakout pedal board.

[@Fektthis]

The Boss ME-5 is the OG of this series. It was out at the same time as the Digitech RP-1. Both were doing all this over 30 years ago. I suppose you had the Zoom and a few others as well if you wanted a more compact unit. Of course, we had all our rack effects as well back then. They weren't as advanced. No Bluetooth. No adjusting the signal chain. They were still awesome.

[@bobbyg1233]

What no one is showing enough of is the GP-200's interface on a PC! Keep it on the floor, and tinker on the PC!

[@davidbrent-h1d]

I think they missed a few things. The Computer app for the Valeton is awesome, and with the looper you can sit and dial your tones in. You just play for a few minutes, it loops and you can change any of the settings while the loop playing. I will never own a Boss again. I have dome 3 albums with the GP 100 and 200 .... Great products

[@geovannivm]

I was the one asking for Digital John on the earlier ME 90 video! That’s awesome

[@30_second_guitar]

Hotone Ampero. But beetwen this two i would go with Valeton just beacuse of UI. With little EQ in the end you can make almost anything sounds good this day

[@steveclark9934]

Made by the same company too.

[@SomeKindOfMadman]

Digital John aka Johnny Bandana; what a gem of a guy.

[@marcemusic88]

on the me90, disabling cabinet emulation simply doesn't work. if you just want to use the preamps it will sound horrible. can only be used without preamps or with preamps + cabinet. The "line/amp" switch does not work, I recommend always having it in "line". I think mooer or valeton are great, because you can have independent xlr and jack outputs (in fact mooer has independent volumes for each output), but what I don't like about mooer or valeton is the delay when changing effects. In that sense boss me90 is better, also, boss has better build quality. greetings!

[@photoniccannon2117]

It sounds MUCH better if you go into tone studio and change the output to “Katana 100 return)”. The default setting is katana 212 input, which sounds atrocious in my opinion.

[@arghyabakshi85]

Which one do you suggest in case of good tone & durability also?

[@pentatonicpaddy]

I literally was thinking i wish there was a shootout between these two .good shout lee and john

[@mypetvelociraptor]

I know it doesn’t make any sense but the ME 90 sounds a little more analog and The other is a little more Digital sounding and seems to sound clear.🤔

[@seancook2264]

I basically want a new of either of these to run into a Marshall Origin 20. So overdrive into the front end and then effects into the FX loop. Basically an affordable way of getting into first “pedal board”. Otherwise I have created an Andersons Pedal Board Wish list and the cost of the Strymon Sunset for stacked overdrive effectively exceeds the price of either of these units!

[@chris91221]

The only thing that I'm sad about the ME90 unit is you can't adjust the reverb decay. I don't know with Valeton GT200, would that be possible?

[@JazzzRockFuzion]

Not only can you adjust decay on the GP200’s reverbs, you can also adjust stuff like the pre-delay.

[@antonyedwardson9900]

The Digital John stinger still cracks me up! 😂 Oh and you absolutely can change the order of the signal chain in the Valeton.

[@christianboddum8783]

I think BOSS missed the opportunity to put an easy to read tuner between preset 4 and the volume pedal... FWIW

[@philrougier5533]

Just got my fantastic Boss ME-90 online from Anderton's and then a few weeks later went in the Guildford store to buy the outstanding Strymon Cloudburst just to up the effects level. Two great products from two great music companies, or should that be three great music companies if I include Anderton's in the mix 🙂

[@junkfoodeater]

That's exactly the setup i was thinking of replacing my Headrush MX5 with! I am looking for better sound quality than the mx5 gives and the accessibility of the boss, just hate menu diving or fiddling with the phone while playing so i really hope the sound is up there when i get to try one at my local.

[@bogit4695]

I am in the market for an effects pedal - for home use. My worry is that I’m going to get lost in all the options that are available. Would you suggest starting with a valeton gp100 and using the software? Is the software also available for iPad / phone?

[@LIKEFUNK]

Your not allowed to have preferences, when you sell both but nobody knows which your buying from supplier at a cheaper rate because of larger quantity orders, you forfeit an honest review yet again because of such, your demo was somewhere around 85/15% for one of them obviously.

[@andyjoel4235]

Awesome Video! I’m personally a fan of Valetons pedals but can you do a video on Valeton GP-200LT vs Donner Arena 2000?

[@digitalninjatools5670]

love my me90 (tbf though it is improved by putting a 'real' OD pedal through it imo) but its great for the money

[@istvandejesus]

That’s exactly what I’m doing at the moment. I use an external OD (Blackbox 2) and use the OD section to boost it with a TS type pedal.

[@gregmize01]

My ME-50 is still going strong but THIS may be an excuse to upgrade!

[@NoirRobert]

So, my impression is that the Boss sounds better. But I’m listening on iPad speakers. I think if you’re playing a gig, the Boss interface is what you want. On a desk or somewhere you can easily reach it, the Valeton might be better. How similar are the Boss effects to their pedals? Would you replace your pedal board, gigging, with one of these?

[@redryderaus]

If you are listening on ipad speakers you aren't hearing anything close to the real sound. No speaker that small can reproduce the sound accurately no matter how much processing the device applies to the sound. Listen to it through a real guitar cab and you will hear the difference.

[@d0sk3y]

I'm listening to the video through Beyerdynamic DT1990 PROs, through a Universal Audio Apollo interface, and can say that you definitely can't have anything relevant to say while listening on a tablet, no matter the make or model.

[@gazfunk]

I really like the sound of the Boss ME's but I don't like the way they set out the effects on the board. I moved over to the Zoom for my cheapo multi. You can choose any effect in any order.

[@BobbyLunsford83]

Are you able to get modern metal tunes out of the 200?

[@shadowminister4090]

I'm not an active gigger, so at home, give me something with a Looper and Drum Machine, so for me, maybe the Valeton? My question is what are the equivalent options for accoustic guitars?

[@fuzzb0x436]

Valeton has acoustic and bass options

[@david71991]

Why are you mic'ing an FR cab?

[@stilettos9]

Thanks. You just sold me a valeton!

[@iainlove2343]

What guitar is that dude playing? It’s lovely

[@lilhoss1]

Around the 26'ish mark, it's very evident that the Boss sounds better. I'm also guessing that in about 5 years, the Boss will still be going strong whereas the Valeton, I'm not so sure. The one large parameter knob on the Valeton is the weak point. Everything relies on that one knob.

[@alexforget]

I have tear down my Valeton unit. The processor responsible for all the sound is a 4$ part. Not that it's wrong, it's similar for all units. People are getting scammed by all these units, they could be all made for 150$ with all the features, it's all markup and marketing. They make a "pro" unit bigger with more button and xlr outputs, but it's all the same and cost nothing to make.

[@modularhomehunters8837]

Please review the NUX TRIDENT NME-5

[@matrixstar2767]

Is still have my old Digitech RP200.....would like to see it used in these competitions.

[@SoloSi2024]

My only issue with multi effects pedals is having all effects in front of the amp, rather than associating your modulation via the effects loop and the drives in rhe front end.

What guitar is that? It's gorgeous!

[@arynpritchard4684]

19:35 I saw another video explaining how to do it in the Valeton, so there is a way. I don't remember what they said though

[@ignadrs]

boss multi FX's have like a fizz distorted thing in the high-mids that i absolutely dislike, no matter how much i try, they always sound plastic and fake, and honestly outdated. i use the GE200 with GeLABS amps (which is like the kemper amp profiles) and York Audio IR's and it has blown away a lot of friends that are more into analog rigs. Valeton and Mooer are definetly the best choice currently for a great sound for a low price.

[@JazzzRockFuzion]

Yep, 💯- Boss stuff (including the Katana amps) all have that bright, fizzy element to their distortions in higher frequencies. Takes painstaking effort from within the Tone Studio software to dial it out to a satisfactory degree.