Twitch streamers are rich and everyone's FURIOUS.

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The month of October 2021 was marked by one of the largest hacks in entertainment, with Twitch being the target of a series of leaks by 4Chan. Payout information from all of the top Twitch streamers made its way into the public eye and Twitter went crazy. Do Twitch streamers earn too much? Is the backlash against creators like Hasanabi (aka Hasan Piker), CriticalRole, xQC, Pokimane, TFUE, Amouranth and the rest, justified? Or is this simply an irrational response? Let's take a closer look!
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SOURCES:
Twitch Hack (Fortune):
bit.ly/3pPQZNy
Original 4Chan post:
bit.ly/3GxqEtA
Twitter breakdown of CriticalRole situation:
bit.ly/31hLI7h
Devin nash video “Do streamers make too much money?”
bit.ly/3EwUk8e
Mitigating Malicious Envy (Harvard study):
hbs.me/3bpwqiB
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Outro song: Joakim Karud - "Loudness & Clarity"
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“Glasgow Noon” by Trabant 33
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#Twitch #CriticalRole #hasanabi

[@Googledeservestodie]

The earnings wasn't a big deal for me, a big deal for me was revealing that Twitch has indeed played favorites when it comes to bans and moderation. The leak revealed that several early accounts were basically on a "don't touch" list due to popularity and the amount of revenue they make for the site, there were also several moderators. The leak is old information with old numbers and it suggests the list no longer exists, but it reveals what a lot of people have already been saying: that Twitch can and will play favorites meaning popular creators can break as many rules as they want, and it is not out of the realm of possibility for the website to go back to this and simply create a new Don't Touch list, if they haven't already

[@zacharyperlee4179]

yeah, the favorites list would definitely be a bigger concern to me, even if its old data, that shows that people suspected of being a favorite of twitch (Like alinity) might actually have proof behind it, and the possibility of more twitch leaks might mean we could get to see a more current "do not ban" list of twitch,

[@tesco8303]

Unrelated but, hehe misha collins

[@astralguardian5930]

Then you have wierd exceptions like Dr. Disrespect, who was a huge creator on Twitch yet still got booted out. So yeah...situations like that alongside the "small scale" bans just ruins the scrutiny on Twitch quite a bit.

[@PhoenixAce]

@@astralguardian5930 honestly that may have been proof of sexism that disrespect can sue them for Tho it may have been something else either nothing is clear cut

[@KingPinguofDingu]

Any idea that twitch didn't/doesn't play favorites are from people who tend to be in denial over other very obvious things. That's been very clear since early on, as some of these top creators have gotten away with a lot of things that other, smaller content creators have gotten suspended or banned for.

[@ComicalRealm]

The more impressive thing about this is the amount of money Amazon is making out of all of this

[@NukeRadius]

Get a load of these bots

[@isolvechess1941]

@@NukeRadius do you think youtube is doing something to correct it?

[@basedyui._.3775]

@@isolvechess1941 absolutely fuckin not 😭

[@meatloaf_gaming1016]

And more amazing on how people are not pointing out how much Jeff bezos makes

[@sirius_b_13]

I don't think twitch is actually that profitable for Amazon. I'm pretty sure most Amazon's revenue and profits are from AWS and small online retail markets they have monopolized. Obviously, in general Amazon and Jeff Bezos are making a ton of money but the main cause of that is the fact they are able to avoid so many taxes. For Jeff thanks to loopholes and for Amazon mainly through government incentives supposedly to reward creating jobs.

[@nekokoishi]

Becoming a lord in Scotland is perfectly balanced with no exploits.

[@youtubenotifications2150]

Just like Skyrim, it's all rather spiffing

[@rubbatiti1527]

scrumpeh

[@kittenloveer1625]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3zHhmt4gc6brZY

[@Theguineachannel]

Ill raise a cup of yorkshire yea to that

[@kamillevel8827]

umm...

[@bojan8978]

I guess you could say this was a Series Of Un- *FourChan* -ate Events. _I'll see myself out._

[@hp640.]

no, don't, this is genius.

[@thelasagnaman3765]

don't come back

[@-Acitone]

That was genius

[@cshoorr511]

You better see yourself out

[@Sournale]

The joke is ruined when you say it’s bad and you’ll see yourself out

[@joao2479]

Viewer: *gives the streamer money* Streamer: *gets the money* Viewer: *You weren't supposed to do that!*

[@wheaversclone]

Let me fix that Viewer: *gives the streamer money* Steamer: *gets the money* Twitter: *is he doing what loves and earns money??? UNACCEPTABLE*

[@biggamer4280]

@@wheaversclone it's even worse if it's a straight white guy! I mean, he was supposed to choose to become a different race and choose to like the same gender!

[@sixtowock]

@@biggamer4280 what

[@hampter3819]

These people stole the people's money in their credit cards!

[@idontknowanymore2515]

@@biggamer4280 you ok

[@JellyJessYT]

“A very poggers leak”, ah yes this shall be an interesting video

[@by9692]

Pog

[@NukeRadius]

@@by9692 oh my baby birdie what are you doing here?

[@embee753]

@E L E N A • stop

[@boogiehasfun]

@E L E N A • i will make love with that report button on your comments

[@philippelavoie799]

@@boogiehasfun Good one

[@arielgalles2107]

Honestly, I'm mostly just happy that the most successful twitchers are a DnD group.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

I'm confused about the critical role part. They ARE a company. They formally created the company when they parted with Geek & Sundry; they've never tried to hide this; in fact they celebrated these things with their fans.

[@ZahraWoodard]

I found it really interesting how Ranboo’s chat responded to the leak. After the leak, the chat basically went “you’re not top ten? Let’s get you there.”

[@maryamkhaledmohammed3877]

Ranboo's chat is often very wholesome to him

[@cpyrex7629]

@@maryamkhaledmohammed3877 thats not wholesome, thats just fucking weird

[@br3759]

“He is rich,let us make him more rich”

[@maryamkhaledmohammed3877]

@@cpyrex7629 how

[@cpyrex7629]

@@maryamkhaledmohammed3877 cuz they the same people going on twitter and making a thread about hasan 💀

[@notoriusbookworm48]

Honestly, I think that Critical Role deserves the money they make. These people are real voice actors and are bringing real skills to the table, much like animators and actors on KZbin. I'm not sure about the other streamers you mentioned but that's my 2 cents lol

[@tacoflash71]

Ture Animation is a Grind and to go Viral would mean the World to them so they can make Better animation in the Coming Years like Alan Becker and Many others

[@notoriusbookworm48]

@@tacoflash71 yea exactly.

[@TheSwarm666]

70k per year just from twitch, and they nake tons more from other sources. I think they’re paid well

[@ceosgamer016_5]

@@tacoflash71 yup

[@mooandma5635]

Agreed

[@nopejustnope3900]

I don’t understand how people can be upset. YES, the content creator makes money THAT YOU GAVE TO THEM! Sounds like a bunch of angry kids with buyers remorse.

[@APillowGuy]

Idk about other people but man hasan biker under payed his editor kinda not nice for a streamer with millions

[@Captainfinnster]

everyone: ok ima donate 3 thousand dollars to this guy streamer: "gets there salary leaked" everyone:HOW DID THEY GET THAT MUCH THIS IS OUTRAGES I CANT BELIVE THIS!

[@RoarTheRapper]

People thought the same thing of KZbin a few years ago. Everyone got mad when they figured big youtubers made a lot of money.

[@NukeRadius]

Yeah like wtf bro. It's a job of course they're gonna make alot of money. They're not volunteering lmao

[@ejjsdhgxjdhhdhsh2339]

@@NukeRadius you clearly never worked a day in your life

[@ChadPANDA...]

@@ejjsdhgxjdhhdhsh2339 you don't understand that there can be diffrent types of jobs too . Influencers and celebs earn a lot

[@mayaw.4013]

@@ejjsdhgxjdhhdhsh2339 Nah, you just don’t understand the simple concepts of “supply vs. demand & being valuable”. They’re supplying the audience with content that is being demanded. Their value either goes up or down depending on that demand. If many people like them, of course they’re going to get more money. Just admit you hate any person who makes more money than you.

[@RoarTheRapper]

@@NukeRadius Well unless you're joking, not every KZbinr makes a killing. I have almost 10K and I'm not making more than a fraction of what my 9-5 pays. Takes a lot of time and work to get big on YT and too many casuals don't understand how much work it took to get there.

[@moodle6500]

I'm of the opinion that content creators can make as much money as they want, their actions should be judged, not their income, no one's bothered by mr beast's seemingly infinite amount of cash

[@thorsday121]

1. Mr. Beast often spends or hands out significant amounts of cash as part of videos, as well as pays an entire crew. 2. Mr. Beast doesn't argue against the "system" and then engage in some of its worst excesses An analogy: Say I am a vegan advocate and you are not. People will be upset with me eating a giant prime rib but won't care if you do the same.

[@maketemmiegreatagain5246]

@@thorsday121 yes but a vegan advocate is different, people are mad at you for breaking a goal that you are trying to keep but content creator are people that well.. create content and get money for it, its not a suprise that big content creator make a bunch of green, someone with half a braincell or one third of it would have the capability to understand, but this is the internet, everything is you do or say and any information is like 2x

[@user-lh3ic7ym8h]

@@thorsday121 That's a flawed argument. Your debating two different topics. Your vegan analogy isn't comparable to Mr. Beast. People are pissed at the vegan because (if they're being asses like ThatVeganTeacher) because they're being hypocrites about "saving the environment" because they're doing the same thing that they condemn meat eaters for. It's like saying, "You cant eat ice cream, you'll get fat" then turning around and downing a gallon of Ben and Jerry's. In contrast, Mr. Beast isn't spouting hypocritical nonsense. Regardless whether or not you believe Mr. Beast doesn't deserve his money or is a bad person, he's not enforcing the idea of one thing and performing the exact opposite. He's never stated "I don't like it when people spend massive amounts of money, it makes those people look conceited" or anything of that behavior.

[@thorsday121]

@@maketemmiegreatagain5246 Hasan is willingly an employee of a large megacorporation, lives in a MANSION (a term he himself used when discussing the house btw), lives in a ludicrously expensive part of the country when he can live literally anywhere with a good internet connection, makes part of his money by doing reaction content (even LEAVING THE ROOM while the video plays sometimes), had to be told to pay his editor several years ago, and to top it all off pretty much never spends any money advocating for the working man or even basic charity work whatsoever despite having plenty of opportunity to do so. Even Jeff Bezos funds advocacy groups for a $15 dollar minimum wage, meaning Jeff fucking Bezos has done more to help the working man than Hasan. Hasan is not some poor sod just scraping by. He's someone who has the means and supposedly motive to NOT live an ostentatious and luxurious lifestyle and yet chooses to anyway. He's absolutely worthy of criticism.

[@thorsday121]

@@user-lh3ic7ym8h I'm critiquing Hasan not Mr. Beast lol

[@mrelleownar]

Defending Hasan with the argument: ”It’s a market economy” is the most outrageously funny thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

[@karlaalexa211]

Hasan is an entertainer I don't get why you think its not defensible.

[@hbalint1000]

@@karlaalexa211 An entertainer that constantly advocates for the exact opposite of the very market economy that allowed him to become successful.

[@karlaalexa211]

@@hbalint1000 Yeah because it only benefits the 1% not the people.

[@mrelleownar]

@@karlaalexa211 Haha, I'm definetly not saying that it is not defendable. I truly agree. But it is incredibly funny.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@hbalint1000 "socialism is when no market" yet you buy everything you own from China. Interesting. I wonder if maybe you've ever looked up the definition of socialism?

[@rantranger1527]

About Hasan although he should be able to buy any house he wants(and i pretty much agree on everything else) I suppose in a way he is sort of hypocritical and in a way betraying his viewers as he has previously criticized others for buying certain things one of which being a 2m dollar house(even though he proceeded to buy a house worth 3 million)

[@springtimung5567]

I disagree. Hassan thing is not that millionaires and billionaires can't buy luxury items or mansion but that those millionaires and billionaires get those money to buy those things by paying as low as possible wages to their workers and not paying taxes. Hassan had clearly stated that he have problem having his tax raised moreover he live in the state where they tax shit ton out of u. Moreover he had donated to several charities throughout the years. And last point most of u people seem to think *socialism=living in poverty* which is false

[@jefsoete9793]

@@springtimung5567 he is selling anticapitalism on the capitalist market and turning a profit from it. if he was a real leftist he wouldn't donate to charity but to direct action and mutual aid campaigns, as leftists have a lot of criticism on charity. he has no part in the movement exept exploiting the shit out of it. he should be critiqued by everyone considered a leftist.

[@springtimung5567]

@@jefsoete9793 yeah because the majority of the world participate in capitalism and he lives in a capitalist country. He have to participate in it moreover all social media are capitalist. And what's wrong with him making money....? He is not using slave labour or exploiting people.

[@jefsoete9793]

@@springtimung5567 he's not wrong in living a comfortable life, he's wrong in living an unnecessarily luxury life. His wealth could Mean so much to the socialist movement but instead he spends it on a fucking mansion in LA

[@dragonheart1236]

@@jefsoete9793 and again, living a lavish life isn't inherently wrong. But then he turns around and criticizes those who life very similar lifestyles to his own. That hypocrisy is what I feel many are upset with him for.

[@Googledeservestodie]

"it's time to stop looking at them as a friend group and start looking at them as a company" is a mantra I keep anytime I open up KZbin. Too many fans have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with creators and think they're friends, but the truth is they're selling a product and you are a consumer. Don't get attached

[@angelerror4086]

well just to correct you, you're thinking of "as your friend" not "as a friend group", but to be serious it's not like company is inherently bad, even individual creator may sometimes exploit viewers even more than companies do, something similar to this is with the channel spill, if you're curious you can search it up

[@meryd199]

I like ur dp ❤️

[@Googledeservestodie]

@@meryd199 lmao "display picture" isn't the image of DP I had in my head 🥴

[@meryd199]

@@Googledeservestodie Huh? Wdym by that I'm confused 🤔

[@Extremezotako]

Yes

[@ajtalkitive4884]

This whole dilemma feels like a bunch of kids whining about other kids having more toys than them.

[@falxblade1352]

When the first kids *BOUGHT* the second kids the toys!

[@TouringWolf42]

@@falxblade1352 The first kid bought the toys, yes, but as the second kid played with them fairly, the first kid got mad and went on an outburst. Simply put it, it takes another level to be at the top of places like Twitch, people are simply jealous of the success of these streamers. In a free market you requiere a especific set of aptitudes to become successful, those that succeed, do so greately.

[@datbird7797]

Fax no printer

[@ajtalkitive4884]

@@datbird7797 your comment confuses me

[@ajtalkitive4884]

@Kaleb Kurian How does streaming relate to a person climbing Mt. Everest? Climbing mountains isn't really a job. Btw check out Andrei's older vid which is about this exact topic.

[@blxck_yugi]

Andrei Terbea is VERY talented. The combination of content and news updates is unique.

[@nohands1782]

People making money off doing something they love shouldn’t be frowned at

[@darthhasifius9770]

Critical Role deserves their success. They're overflowing with passion and talent. As a nerd who gets picked on for not being into sport, I'm happy that there are other nerds that made it big doing what they love

[@joshnippleton3449]

Nerd up my brother! Focus on the mental, physical and spiritual and you'll be unstoppable! I wish you all the best!

[@bodaciouschad]

Agreed- *Critical Roll* is a class act. They aren't some "streamer" in an RGB chair playing Fortnite and pawning their merch off to their audience. It's essentially a live stage performance. Just a shame that Twitch doesn't support other theater acts and troupes. There is clearly the potential for it.

[@aob3366]

Agreed

[@noahbanks3965]

@@bodaciouschad I would love to have a twitch sub group devoted to live theater performances run by the theaters. or just some of the practices or set building. for the most part i think the argument is more company earnings vs individual earnings

[@Johnny-tw5pr]

BatChest I LOVE ROLE PLAYING

[@ShortHax]

First Facebook, then Twitch. It’s only a matter of time before the Twitter leak happens

[@user-mg7wh8zq6v]

I wonder what would that be about

[@aob3366]

Thats gonna be real fire

[@dailydoseoftwitchclips9566]

mis Malkova twitch clips hot tub kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6vEZnWNls6Bm6c

[@cattjohnson1114]

twitter and reddit are already one big leak you just have to wade through sewage to find what you want

[@bejamigas1725]

God no my dad uses it i am from a a country where it isant shet

[@oddisire]

I agree with just about everything you said. I'm a small streamer myself, I've spent hours on end setting so many stuff up. Side note, I oftenly try to think ideas to get more followers. Maybe recognition from a bigger streamer? Partnerships? Either way, it's hard. And you've got to stay dedicated to be one of those 5.

[@129das]

the important thing is to just keep at it.

[@InsanityVirus]

People: Gives money to streamers to support them Streamer: Gets rich from everyone giving them money to support them _(and many not even hiding nor bragging about it)_ People: Surprised Pikachu face

[@lorenzojimenezgutierrez4086]

Ikr and also nice pfp 👌

[@Withywindle]

I think the reason people accused Hasan of hypocrisy wasn’t because he advocates for the working class, but because he advocates against the upper class. He has made videos mocking rich people for having huge homes, but he just bought a 3 million dollar mansion more expensive than many that he made fun of.

[@patrikbruinsma8107]

Champagne socialism is a joke. Put your money where your mouth is what I think.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

He literally has said he would be fine with being taxed more.

[@Withywindle]

@@just_a_turtle_chad And? If he thinks the way he makes his money is exploitation it is his responsibility to donate to charity, not just be like "I'm ok with high taxes"

[@OM-wl7qe]

Hasan has little to no principles, he never calls out his streamer friends, some of whom are scammers

[@nathanjohnpalaogaming4872]

@                                                 ø fun fact: you can burn them with your pure anger, 100km long fires, and pure ocean/cloud(terrain with flood) mounovuring thing.

[@VarsVerum]

It's a difficult thing to judge because it depends on a lot of circumstances, not to mention the potential debate of "greed vs ambition". On one hand, streamers and content creators don't decide how much they get paid. If our videos do well, we get paid for them. If we want to expand on that by taking in sponsors, selling merch or establishing a personal brand for ourselves, that can't be considered a bad thing either (unless we're taking sponsors for like I dunno killing babies) because money is out there and creators take it under the mindset of if we don't, someone else will. I suppose it might be seen as a dick move to start a gofund me for something when you can easily fund that ambition out of your own pocket, but once again it's not necessarily exploitation. I don't think criticalrole is necessarily wrong to go crowdfunding because their viewers want to support the channel. So even if there are streamers making millions and millions of dollars a year that's just the fruits of their labor and unlike multibillion dollar companies who literally abuse their workers, they're not doing anything to extort or harm their audience. So it's difficult to really draw a line on "oh you make TOO much money you're a bad person!" because money is a byproduct of content creation.

[@scrittle]

You can't exactly say creators don't get promised a payout, because neither do small businesses, it isn't something unique to them. KZbinrs and Twitch streamers jump onto trends all the time to secure themselves a profit, and small businesses usually do something of a similar nature too, so it goes without saying that money is NOT a byproduct of content creation, because money IS the product.

[@VarsVerum]

@@scrittle Again it depends on circumstance. We pursue whatever gives us the most amount of views which gives us the most amount of money. But again is there something wrong with wanting to pursue money? We're still promising viewers entertainment no? and for free mind you (unless you count like patreon or onlyfans).

[@scrittle]

I guess you're right. Money makes the world go round. I only wanted to comment on your last sentence. You made some solid points.

[@kittyphinex7115]

Also keep in mind the crowdfunding was a couple of years ago when they were still relatively small. And it’s not wrong for them wanting to organise where the money goes so they wanted to make sure everything from the crowdfunding went where it was intended

[@rayesafan9628]

Yes. Definitely. I think people need to remember the difference between greed, dishonesty, and just having money because what you do is popular, and you’re good at it.

[@Andeuidous_]

I found it funny that people were getting angry over how much money creators make because Ranboo's fanbase had the opposite reaction. They got mad that he was *only* number 16 and kept gifting subs for like a week after the leak.

[@Gabrielbarsch]

3:24 DOTA

[@user-pj9lw2bh5b]

DOTA?

[@helloifuseethis]

DOTA

[@boattheanimationboi331]

Dota

[@RiosidYT]

I dont really think that people should be upset about twitch streams earning so much money. But I do agree that Creators should not be able to avoid taxes of luxury items saying it is business expenses.

[@RightLadd]

The games the game and everyone’s gotta play it

[@hayes1035]

That's a deeper problem of society than just streamers. Most wealthy people do similar tax evasion strategies. A lot of it is legal and a lot of the time it is much worse. I recommend reading about the Pandora Papers and the Pro publica leaks if you want too see how wide scale it really is.

[@dailydoseoftwitchclips9566]

mis Malkova twitch clips hot tub kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6vEZnWNls6Bm6c

[@jasminemoriah6909]

Good luck getting Congress to legislate for a new tax code. Between the re-election ads, both sides pearl clutching, and the overall dysfunction, they can barely move through their existing agenda.

[@RiosidYT]

@@jasminemoriah6909 I dont really understand what you are referring to since Im not from America. But if its for a change in how taxes work, good I guess.

[@Mousethebidoof]

biggest reason is that people tend to form parasocial relationships with their favorite content creators and when its revealed that the streamers are not like the viewers, they (the viewers) feel betrayed by their creator

[@percabethlumity]

I honestly don't get those people. I get the parasocial relationships, hell I indulge in those all the time because they're fun (ofc I make sure not to be weird or break boundaries but pretending a streamer is your friend/relating to content on a personal level is just more enjoyable for me). But ppl gotta have some common sense. These streamers don't know us and never will, and what they put online will always only be a fraction of their full person. It's like separating fiction from reality when reading books/watching movies. You enjoy the fiction and "believe" in it for fun but you don't actually think it's true and get mad when someone says Narnia isn't real.

[@Mousethebidoof]

@@percabethlumity this is exactly the thing that should be more known because people end up doing this (i am guilty of it too) without knowing

[@percabethlumity]

@@Mousethebidoof Yes exactly! I wish people would talk about parasocial relationships in a more in depth way than just PARASOCIAL BAD. Like yes, it can be bad and unhealthy when taken to the extreme or if one is not aware that's what's happening, but if you take a step to think about it and make sure you're always remembering the reality, it's fine to act a bit parasocial sometimes for your own entertainment.

[@nevillegear830]

@@percabethlumity ppl are complicated when it's comes to relationships with content creators, now you could chop it down to envy witch is possible but there may be people that could go deeper than that maybe by experience like creators using people for Morey and not show appreciation knowing the ppl made your life better knowing you making contact for tham but in life everything is not fair so make the best of it with others, or that's ppl not living great lives or maybe not much friends or none or something like that and they feel like they can relate or entertain from creators or whatever reason they watching them, but for sure it's from a place of they lives I guess you could say.

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@percabethlumityIkr you don’t know them the only time para social relationships make sense is if the streamer or KZbinr has a tiny audience as in the 1 to 10 subscribers

[@sticks1931]

I'm proud of critical role and the cast, they deserve the world and have helped enormous amounts of people in so many ways including myslef

[@Outlawcakes]

I had gotten into an argument with a friend when this leak came out. She was on the side of being pissed that those streamers made so much. I told her that the majority of the creators had done a lot of work in the background to get where they are now. She insisted that it couldn't possibly nearly as much work as she's doing now, working fulltime and going to school. I told her that if it's that easy then she should start streaming and build a following. She complained about how she would never have time to do it and had to focus on other things. That was my point. The majority of streamers either have to find some sort of balance with their work/school life and streaming while some just take a leap of faith, quitting work/school and doing streaming fulltime in hopes they can make a living off it. Eventually the truth came out that my friend was envious of them to be able to work from home and do something they're super passionate in. I can relate to that, but I'm not going to be angry or hate those creators for doing something I wish I had the confidence of doing.

[@imstupid880]

Maybe one of these days, people will figure out that a core part of 4chan humor is mockery and irony.

[@cold_mercury4224]

Of course, use their own cringy annoying slang against them

[@hitpointn1]

It's confusing for me that so many people lost their minds about earnings. You can visit any 20k+ viewers count streamer every second there is a donation or subscription, and the price of the subscription is as well publicly available. Isn't the math obvious?

[@Lightning-jc6re]

Mathematics is too advanced for Twitter users

[@pranavanand9818]

@@Lightning-jc6re generally functioning is too much for twitter users

[@subwaysandwich7054]

@@pranavanand9818 True dat

[@c001pers0n]

The only people upset don't watch Twitch and/or live on Twitter all day.

[@Dexiclon]

I don't care if creators make millions but I do care if they act like they don't. Before the leaks Hasan, Sykkuno, and some others would often act as if they are not high class or can understand the struggles of them. I think the streamers who don't beg for subs and donos and don't pretend to be for the people or pretend not to be rich are fine. Especially if they put effort into their content. I always knew they made millions and that's why I've never had a good view of people like Hasan. He just preaches about stuff he truly doesn't support or believe and that's his entire job and an easy job at that.

[@DakotaWolf666]

IDK if Hasan is really a good candidate for "if you pull back the curtain you seem more sympathetic". this is the guy who started his career on TYT a company his uncle founded and launched his Twitch off of that

[@BantanaAudio]

He certainly does not practice what he preaches and that's the best ingredient for an unlikable person.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@BantanaAudio He practices exactly what he preaches. Socialism is about workers owning the means of production. He went from a private company where his uncle would pay him 40k a year to making his own content with his own PC and channel, he doesn't employ anyone. That's precisely practicing what you preach.

[@vaasmontenegro3993]

@@joaomelo7018 lmao according to socialism he is not a worker, he's the bourgeoisie. hes the very oppressor which workers have to fight against.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@vaasmontenegro3993 According to Marx he is definitely not the bourgeoisie, he doesn't own all his means of production, Marx would've put him in the "Proletarian" category, his status (and other highly paid employees like Lawyers, Doctors, accountants) are where Weber and Marx disagree on social stratification, hence why Weber created the concept of the "upper/lower middle-class" as Marx didn't recognize it, you either exploit others labor and earn profit or you are exploited and earn wages.

[@joaomelo7018]

@@vaasmontenegro3993 Given that Weber is the basis for neoliberal sociology it doesn't surprise me that you would only be capable of understanding his framework since it's the status quo.

[@lagartopunkarra]

Critical Role does content. People: We love em! Critical Role makes money from said content. People: *HOW COULD YOU!* Seriously, people are stupid.

[@Ttegegg]

Don’t know why people are mad

[@Ockulogrove]

They are stupid and probably poor

[@phshgaming5281]

people aren't really bringing up the fact that this is all money people CHOOSE to give the creature for what would otherwise be free content. if someone gives me a free sandwich but it has mayo, which i don't like but could live with on my sandwich, then i go "here's a Nickle can i have one without mayo" i don't have the right to complain that i had to pay a Nickle

[@scrittle]

I would've just denied the sandwich and moved on

[@UltimateAHP]

Exactly. They just see a big number they don't have and calls it unfair lol

[@UmjaeMJ]

People should be proud that people are able to earn such amounts of money just from doing what they love

[@Starrywawsp]

1:16 wait why is there a goose ruling my country now? I mean I'm here for it but wasn't expecting it.

[@hon3ybunny695]

Tbh I feel like Critical Role has deserved everything they have worked for. They went from a little office to their own large production. Hell they where all professional voice actors or directors so regardless of twitch they where still pretty famous.

[@FifthRobin]

I actually had a Twitch ad before this! *Chuckles*

[@johnliu7811]

I feel like William Osman made a good statement here. “Relatability will bring success, and success will kill your relatability”

[@therealgamer2857]

Bun episod ,sper sa îți fie din ce în ce mai bine cu canalul

[@Fishisthegoat]

He started the sentence with "A extreamly poggers leak" Amazing

[@bradleycomics]

@god dam bot

[@cold_mercury4224]

Use their own annoying slag language against them haha

[@MAEwSherman]

Depending on what board he posted on he may have been called a slur for that

[@alexvalentine5091]

Folks on Twitter seem to hate when you make any kind of money and aren’t scrapin by. They’ve got that crab bucket mentality

[@alexvalentine5091]

@good one don’t want it

[@pfw4568]

I don't care about any of it besides that Hassan thing. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

[@bretonfabrice]

There's a huge flaw with saying "0.05% streamers make minimum wage": there aren't 11 millions of people who are taking it seriously. How many are kids or your average player streaming for fun? How many saved up, got a pro cam, quit their job, officially created a company and went all in? Probably not even 1% of that total.

[@InspirationalPancake]

They worked hard for their money, it doesn't matter how much they make, just how good they are. Edit: 7:00 EXACTLY!!

[@andrewyoung749]

someone tell hassan this, he struggles with the concept for everyone but himself. oh wait thats the point...

[@silashurd3597]

This is a pure example of people being extremely jealous/insecure of others having a lot of money Like why do people get so mad about other people having a lot of money?

[@evan_alex]

I personally feel it's less about them being rich but the fact that they contributed to them being richer that makes them mad.

[@queendiamond770]

Cause they waste time complaining about it instead of working and making their own money, imo

[@Reijvi]

imo it completely depends on how much money we're talking about, since there is a limit when u have "too" much money, especially if u hoard it when it could be used to to help lesser fortunate people, charities, funding other peoples dreams, help saving the enviroment and so on. For example, I doubt not a lot will disagree with me here, people like Jeff Bezos reached that limit long ago, imagine how many trees among other things he could plant to help our current enviroment, how many homeless people he could manage to get a home for, how many flawed cities infrastructure he could improve. Especially the poorer countries where schools is a thing only the lucky have access to. In reality at one point, ur so rich you won't ever have to worry about money, and you'll never be able to spend it all, I mean hell, to give you an idea of this, Jeff got enough money to give every single person in the world 23 dollars *each*, while there are people who have trouble even getting food and clean water, let alone a roof over their heads. TL:DR it's less about how much money a lot of these people have, and more how they choose to spend them, look at Mr Beast whose universally loved, but also has a lot of money. If u have the ability to help people and change their lives, when the cost of it would be comparable to pennies for you, there is no real excuse as why u shouldn't do it.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@Reijvi but it's their cash people decided to give it to them those people could give it to charities instead of streamers

[@silashurd3597]

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle I agree man

[@violetnorth906]

Me: you paid them when you subbed....and you're mad they actually got the money? And you bought the merch...you're mad they got that money too like wth

[@cheez_e]

Get a load of these bots

[@jeffxcool5106]

Why the "Me:"

[@raidknight]

That established titles ad read didn’t age well

[@danathomas72]

i am so proud of Critical Role, they put out such incredible content all the time, not even including their main campaigns which are 4 hour long streams EVERY WEEK. which is basically them doing improv acting for 4 hours straight. i myself play D&D every week, for 3 ish hours and it can be A LOT to handle, i cant imagine doing it whilst also on camera in front of so many people. the last episode of their last campaign (campaign 2) was 7 hours long. they were doing improv acting for SEVEN HOURS. so good on them for doing what they love and making an entire ass company around it, as well as being super successful voice actors and having their own charity foundation (Critical Role Foundation) AND they also have Darrington Press which is how they're releasing their source books and Uk'otoa, their own board game. (also Talesin Jaffe is the best, i love him so much

[@Tots_]

Critical role 100% earned and deserve the top spot

[@aob3366]

Agreed

[@dailydoseoftwitchclips9566]

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[@lastthing8173]

I cannot say that they earned or deserved the money that they make. However I do indeed enjoy and partake of their content and am happy that they make enough to continue to produce more

[@realmadrid6183]

People being like: he earned 9million how dare he. Meanwhile Jeff bezos with 150 billion dollars and going to space for five minutes instead of helping people

[@lizardlegend42]

Why do you think those positions are mutually exclusive? And I don't think it's that he earned however much that people have a problem with, it's that he doesn't spend it on the issues he claims to support, doesn't put his money where his mouth is. Idk who he is or if those accusationz are accurate, but if seems to be what people are primarily critical of

[@krunkmonkey3792]

@@lizardlegend42 he does though he just doesn't publicize it because he doesn't want to seem like he's doing it for clout

[@krunkmonkey3792]

@@chud21 uhh I mean he does give money as I said just because you can't find it online doesn't mean he hasn't the internet doesn't have all the information ever and plus he says he want to donate again but afraid if he make it public people will say its because people bagged him too you guys aren't mad at him being hypocritical you just don't like that he is a socialist

[@chud21]

he doesn't have too

[@nikhilsilva5244]

well its like this.... jeff bezos at least creates jobs. Hasan doesnt

[@Ace-cc1em]

Regarding the whole HasanAbi house drama, turns out he went through many hoops to make the purchase as private as possible, but someone in the realtor leaked it to the media.

[@Johnny_BGood]

seems like he's well aware that that purchase goes against everything his platform stands for lol yet people still defend him like crazy

[@ProfAzimov]

​@@Johnny_BGood Do you want someone to know where you live

[@VagabondTE]

The minimum wage thing is a very bad example. We shouldn't be including streamers that aren't attempting to be full time. Just because you quit the streaming button once doesn't mean you were working.

[@mercurial7728]

I didn’t even know that there were twitch leaks, but this is interesting.

[@lancetheking7524]

It exploded so surprising

[@lancetheking7524]

@E L E N A • no

[@lancetheking7524]

SHUT UP BOTS

[@NukeRadius]

I watched one of Tyler1 clip reacting to this

[@enricohepner]

quick answer - famous people are actually rich

[@rollondiorkte3462]

The irony that the sponsor is in the same chapter as the facade

[@jetjet6560]

Really great video! The only critique I have is of the last message you posed: that streamees should post and talk about their failures. Out of the few streamers that actually make it, I can guarantee that most have not had a difficult journey getting to the point where they can just stream full time. So, when they find success fairly quickly and with almost no risk, how do you expect them to be "relatable" to regular folk?

[@MoDuZzz]

It also reveals that twitch's algorythm/system only really benefits the top 20 creators who are constatntly on the top of the search, and its pure luck to stumble into someone else you might like besides the top of the page (usually by other means outside twitch).

[@angusporter511]

Me, a d&d player when critical role is revealed as the nr1 earning platform: This.. does put a smile on my face.

[@y0u_bugg1n]

That sponsor aged like malk

[@DoctorBones1]

not malk...

[@BDSFormula1]

Streamer fans: OMG WHY ARE THEY SO RICH?! Meanwhile,1 day prior Streamer fans: do I want to give this e-girl $100? Do I ever!

[@Juju2927]

The main reason many got angry against streamers I think is because one of the most attractive aspect streamers build on to get popularity is "relatability". They make sure that their audience think "Hey, this guy's like me, I feel the need to support them.". Therefore, realizing that someone you consider equal ends up being WAY richer than they "let it appear", you feel betrayed and lied to. This situation is really a "case by case". If the ones earning money do use it to be productive (such as critical Role) or to donate it as much as possible, then they're fine for many since they use the money they earned for their job / others. However, if this money is used on themselves, or worst, if they kept on pretending they needed the money while they add plenty, they're doomed to get a backlash for hypocrisy or liability. In the end, everyone is free to do what they want with their earning, sure, but they have to handle the "expectations" of people. Funniest thing about this however is that the people who complain the loudest are the ones who didn't participate in the donations in any form.

[@Myname-xj8ws]

10:10 Just like people dont get mad a animators cause animating takes a loooooooooong time

[@Axelonius88]

I mean isn't a bit sad, that things like teachers, doctors, and so on, crucial to society are being underpaid, have to protest and worry about having enough food and paying rent, while these people just make videos for entertainment and make millions?

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[@thepillsburytoeboy6236]

"fundamentally I dont think its anyones business how creators spend their money" uh oh. andrei is buying an island.

[@scrittle]

Well if they brag about it they're bound to let loose some gears in the works

[@kissarococo2459]

I guess the pont is that if you claim to be a socialist and anti-capitalist then people have right to raise an eyebrow at the affluent spending the guy does.

[@WolfMimirMori]

I don't mind groups/companies making good money (like Critical Role), but I do find it silly that so many singular people get so much money from streaming. But the issue is not the streamers themselves, it's the people that are giving all the money, that is. What the streamers do with that money is up to them, I'd probably buy expensive things for the fun of it if people threw thousands upon thousands of dollars in my face as well.

[@OrlionBoi]

I don't think its silly that Singular people Earn that Much Money cuz they r themselves the Brand If u look at Big Creators Most of em Are Brands they have their own Managing Teams and All so that makes them the Company Also, if they don't have any managing teams or editors or anything like that and are a humongous creator they should still get the money since they stream 13 hrs a day edit the yt vids manage deals reply to emails learn new things or strategies to stay relevant while still being a good Stream/Content Creator and not losing their "Funness" which the viewers enjoy

[@mortarion9813]

I personally don't find it silly. If they've managed to make it big and got to that point, all power to 'em. To hate them would just be to deny jealousy, imo.

[@Mr60Gold]

First this now the Travis Scott concert resulting in 8 deaths+ potentially more. I am starting to worry if this will continue to escalate as we enter 2022. Speaking of which I am curious if you plan to cover the Travis Scott event as i am interested to see what you think of it all, who should fully take the blame for what transpired.

[@TheDevilChrno]

Critical Role deserves to be a top earner. They're talented, hard working and entertaining and yes, they make a ton of money but they also do a ton of charity work as well.

[@zombiehorsefranzferdinand9304]

Nothing wrong with making lots of money, unless you claim to hate the thing you relish in. You can still watch them, just know it’s an disingenuous facade.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Hassan is such a joke

[@jasonblack2760]

@@TheDigitalApple his fans and his ideas are a joke.

[@Mylifesuckslol]

Ignore the 3 bots above me

[@zombiehorsefranzferdinand9304]

Dammit why are there so many bots?

[@sl_50]

cant speak for most of the streamers on the list, but for some, I’m honestly happy to see that they’re making decent money from their streaming. I don’t feel jealous or spiteful, but instead glad that they are well off and able to continue streaming without a negative effect on their lifestyle.

[@A-Warthog-cc1wm]

I feel both spiteful and jealous

[@sl_50]

@@A-Warthog-cc1wm yeah but for me, I only really feel that way about a hole streamers, some of them are decent people

[@artemismoore4176]

I feel jealous sometimes, but I don't let it get to me Like, if you can, go and get that money, you deserve it if you work hard, I'm glad life worked out for you that way

[@APillowGuy]

@@sl_50 i dont feel jealous but hasan piker just makes me mad like he makes millions? But still under pay his editor? Hmm not kinda nice

[@sl_50]

@@APillowGuy agreed, seeing the exorbitant amounts of money some streamers make while underpaying staff is awful. when I wrote this comment in the 1st place, it was more for people like Kitboga or Vinesauce who I generally respect already

[@finntogher3396]

mate that scotland advert made us sound like we all live in farms and catch haggis

[@fattahrambe]

When is the part 2 released?

[@fatkrab7556]

USA- Oh no that streamer makes much money???? Time to grab the shotgun!!!! Portugal- one of our best youtubers bought a 3 story mansion in a surf area and lives there now, he doesnt post any more videos, but that's ok.

[@Svengali764]

A poor woman started daily vlogging in India as she wasn't allowed to work outside the house by her in laws, she bought a house of her own last year. I love this for her.

[@fatkrab7556]

Out of nowhere 4 f ing spam comments appeared. Why does this just happen to me?

[@Svengali764]

@@fatkrab7556 atleast it was on a recent comment. I sometimes get spammed on years ago comments. Yt is a gamble 😝

[@cold_mercury4224]

Chad USA

[@fatkrab7556]

@@cold_mercury4224 Nah its more like chad portugal. You fools get mad at streamers if they make 1$ more than you. We just dont care

[@somerandomidiot6190]

Like i saw a dayum tweet about benchtrio and it said “These teenagers.....are millionaires”

[@delqyrus2619]

I think many creators get more than they deserve. Don't get me wrong: I know there is a lot of hard work behind it and i worked a long time together with streamers to create a unique experience. But it is somehow like mobile games - a few of them are successfull because they are good, but most of them are successfull, because they use abusive techniques. And of course - this is somehow socially accepted, because everybody does this. If you look at Ads, these are 99% psychology, 1% product quality. If you look at small streamers, which put a lot of work into their setup, working hard on their road to partner - the quality of their content is most of the time much better than the stuff you see in the top 10. But they don't get viewers, because a) the system in twitch is abusive(you get more attention the bigger you are) and the streamers use abusive psychology to trick you to stay there. A friend of mine once said a true word: You will never become a millionaire quickly if you want to keep your moral integrity and/or act legally. So... I actually don't care that much. It is a little bit sad, but this is not exclusive to streamers. They do work hard and they deserve some equivalent amount. But do they work harder than - let's say a nurse? I don't think so. Nurses won't give you a link for a sketchy website only for fans. Nurses won't use psychology for you to come back soon or even stay. They earn their money by hard work - often 16 or more hours a day. There is no way a streamer should earn more. You can interpret this as "Nurses earn too little" or "Streamers earning too much". Either way i think this is unfair. Of course the topic is difficult with big teams like in the case of "Critical Role". But that is unusual. Even a big streamer usually has a tiny team up to 5 or 10 people. Of course you need a lot of money to support big shows, with a lot of people working there in TV production quality. But i don't think this should be on twitch. Seriously. Not because i hate it - i love them. But twitch should be a platform for all - not for people who raisefunded millions of bucks to get the equipment to produce such stuff. In my opinion this is more a youtube-thing.(While even this is questionable) It is not about envy. I actually don't care if somebody is richer than me - there are so many people who are richer than me i don't think my body can produce enough envy to serve them all. But i see people who are struggeling to support their livings and work harder than i do and especially harder than streamers which hire(and pay) me to do their stuff in the background. They don't have the convinience to be able to use abusive psychologic tricks to make their customers come back. They can't hire somebody to do a big part of their job. Of course you can say: This counts for many jobs! - and you might be right. There are a lot of people which earn less than they deserve. That's the point. There are only a few people which earn way more than they deserve and a lot of people which earn less than they deserve. So you can put the income of everybody who deserves more up, which will result in a higher income for the ones which doesn't deserve it and is at least questionable to be paid, or you can tax the "undeserved" income higher, so you can pay a higher income to hte ones which deserve it. Whatever. I think most of them earn too much.

[@55Cammander]

I don’t think that people earning money is nearly as bad as Twitter likes to make it out to be. People earning money isn’t anyone’s business. But appearing to act like you don’t make money to make more money is a bit of an ethical dilemma.

[@purpellent]

“Purchase a part of Scottish land” Me: *on my way to buy my neighbourhood*

[@dailydoseoftwitchclips9566]

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[@flourwasmostlikelyhere]

Lmao

[@palmabolp]

For those that do not know, in the leak was also revealed a "no ban" list Essentially, if a specific creator does something that would normally result in a ban, they get a second chance or a mild punishement before they get actually banned (which might explain why some streamers who do weird shit always get back so soon) I thought that this would be in the video, but im not complaining, its as good it as always is

[@theobserver4214]

Who was in it?

[@palmabolp]

@@theobserver4214 if i remember correctly, there are few faze clan members and i think some of the most popular streamers

[@palmabolp]

There are way more of them, but these are the ones that stood out

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@palmabolp i bet there were some bath tub streamers in there

[@pfw4568]

Alinity has to be on that list

[@NotRealms]

It's not 5 out of 10,000 people that earn a minimum wage. Almost all of the creators on that list have diverse content across multiple platforms as well as brand deals and sponsorships that provide the large majority of their income that aren't even mentioned in that video you referenced, or in the data leak. Yes, the number of streamers who make a minimum wage is still astronomically low, but not as low as 5 in 10,000.

[@129das]

ya there is millions of 2 viewer streamers and that don't stream often.

[@ecru_5819]

Personally as a small art streamer, making my first few hundred dollars was fun, but it is HARD So seeing people making 1k, 3k, 10k, 100k or even 1mil is something because it was probably even harder for them. Sure some may have a natural charm, interesting points of view, or be unique/quirky in an appealing way, but I'm sure they started out at part time/internships doing 3 hour streams when they weren't tired. I would like to make $15k as soon as I turn on my stream, but to do that I actually have to grow a presence and be consistent in streaming (and I haven't streamed since like a year ago) People give these streamers their money and support when they can and when earnings are revealed they feel betrayed? I don't get it. They're able to make that much because they gunned for it. Devine Nash was right- you could stream for 12 hours and make $0 doing it. You just make a sore butt, tired eyes, and slight envy for people who are able to make money from watching YT. But these streamers stuck to their guns and it paid off for them. Not to sound like a "bootlicker" or whatever, but for a job that literally doesn't pay you anything and counts on people's generosity, sticking yo your guns is all you can do, really.

[@adequateoats9050]

never really bothered me that streamers earn money, because most of that money comes from donations and hard work. not sure why people are so shocked and appalled

[@textured1]

When andrei terbea uploads, you know its a good day.

[@Ttegegg]

Well o mean yea. Is quality content with nutrial argument

[@PucciWucc1]

I’d rather not have a duck as my medieval land lord. 1:13

[@bungercolumbus]

I like how twitter is crying about the fact that they pay streamers. This is some next level shit.

[@AkemiHoshi532]

Not going to lie. I did fall into the pitfall of such envy after I learned how some of these people (the majority of them I had no idea about except Critical Role and even then I've only HEARD of them but never engaged) seemed to be making bucko bucks for something that at the time I viewed as so simple that I could do it, so therefore why don't I have bucko bucks? Before I began my journey to seriously commit to this KZbin thing, and it more or less was a passing thought with half assed attempts a few years ago, I remember seeing a creator on the rise who I became envious over. It almost seemed like their 'success', however you wish to define it and for me at the time their sub count, felt undeserved. Years later, I've come to terms that this kind of thinking is very counterproductive to you as a creator and seeing the "grand total" of numbers without understanding the breakdown can really affect you. As I've stated before I glanced at the leaked numbers and won't deny I felt a bit bitter, but I also recognized that sort of thinking really held me back before so I needed to drop it, and move on. I had to tell myself that I don't have all the sides of the story, and if it bugs me so much then that in turn means I would need to dedicate time to really research the facts, crunch numbers, all that jazz in order to fundamentally understand what do these numbers all mean/entail. Or. Decide I would rather do something else that to me feels more productive than that. With that being said, thank you so much Andrei for breaking this down in a manner I can understand as well as giving those plaguing thoughts that tend to linger some closure. 😊

[@bartekszawula4308]

In my opinion it's not really a big deal, it just shows how much the industry has grown over time.

[@blacklight683]

People:nice work Andria Andria:(*makes 1$*) People:how dare you

[@FunWithColeen]

I think it is hard to accept in a way when a small channel or something along those lines gains more and more success essentially becoming what feels like a disingenuous company, especially lets say if you were there from the beginning, the connection between you and the creators feels fake, as if your just a number to them despite the years of support

[@hmmmidkvevo7253]

I mean they entertain us everyday no matter what and they got the fruit for their hardworking. What's wrong in that they are not scamming people (only some people)

[@scrittle]

I don't count people with Twitter as 'human' so technically the only person who has a problem with this would probably be Karl Marx

[@bitronic6706]

@@scrittle kekw

[@j0achim]

Me: *sees Andrei terbea notification but doesn't see the title* Also me: *INTENSE FAST CLICKING TO IT*

[@pieromorantearenaza4801]

Its not the fact that he is buying a 3 mil house, its the fact of him giving the image of a Communist hero and at the same time being as capitalist as Ronald Reagan

[@dofusquentin]

it's crazy because here in France we were actually happy for our favorite streamers and most also create a lot of costly events

[@EnderCraft-ko3wd]

For someone who argues against the current system, the system helped Hassan get to where he is now.

[@Miguel-xl8ui]

well yeah he lives in a capitalist society what other fucking way he would get money lol, he still defends his ideals and promoves his viewers to do things such as using ad block when watching his streams, also he isnt explioting anyone, the donations are donations people give him money if they want, he is doing his streams for free and donations are just to help him finacially

[@adwaitgharpure3836]

@@Miguel-xl8ui if anything, the way hasan makes his money is the most ethical way anyone could make money, people choose to sub out of their own free will, and you can consume his content for free if you want to

[@schneejacques3502]

​@@adwaitgharpure3836By that logic same with movie stars or big business. Only reason amaon is rich because peole choose to give amazon money.

[@Kittysuit]

i don't think people are envious. what is unfair is that a person earns so much money, accepts donations on top of that while they are already a millionaire, attacks "wealthy" people while they are these "wealthy" people, and give 0 back to the community. if only the top 0.1% of these creators make so much money, why do they not give back to smaller streamers who make no money? why dont they donate all their donations to a good cause? people are angry cause they were fed an illusion.

[@victorcates9330]

Introducing it as "envy" rigs the discussion. I think it's useful to consider variation. Some wealthy people are despised, while others are seems as likeable or humble. If it were just envy, you'd likely get a consistent hatred. There are different factors that seem to impact the level of animosity. Hated is likely to be more profound when the successful are seen as having won a rigged game or power becomes entrenched. By contrast, someone who does well can be highly loved and respected if they give back to their community or act graciously. If it were just envy, you'd probably hate people MORE who were wealthy and seemed like nice unaffected, respected people.

[@munrollez]

What’s the name of the new background music

[@priscillaparenti-qd9vn]

Do you have a podcast?!? We need one!