⭐️Andrew Gold⭐️ PSYCHOPATHS, HG Tudor, MEGHAN?

[@andrewgoldheretics]

god, there's little better than sitting down for a chat with shauna!

[@thevintageread]

Why thank you kind sir 😂😊

[@jm162]

Loved it you two!! I'm sitting here in freezing and wet Newcastle NSW crocheting granny squares...had to stop the vid a few times and unpick a row or two I as was engrossed...looking forward to the next chat you have! 😍

[@mezzamuddle]

I love watching you two together. I could listen to you chat for hours.

[@vaschristou4027]

For sure,👍Shauna is one of the best - coming from Oz myself😂😂😂😂😂

[@rosie2801.1]

​Also in Newcastle NSW crocheting in front of the fire while watching 2 of my favourite people chatting ​@@jm162

[@voices_vary]

I disagree with the criticism of HG Tudor. He is extremely knowledgeable of Narcissism and appears to have created a great resource for people feeling pain from toxic relationships. I admire him for his honesty about his motivation and his own narcissism. He also is very highly creative, has a fantastic command of the English language, and is a riot!!

[@andrewgoldheretics]

i agree with all of that!

[@HelenBurns-y8c]

I agree with yu. His podcast is a great resource. He is honest about himsef.

[@anitasmith203]

I think HG should have called his blog The Knowing Narcisist, thats how l refer to his blog, lol.

[@Babette-cr2zu]

He's very knowledgeable and does a great service. I, personally, have learned a lot. But I do believe there are those in his fan base that really don't get that he wouldn't lift a finger to help you if it didn't benefit him in some way.

[@annefarrugia2906]

I don’t always agree with HD Tudor. Sometimes he’s not accurate

[@piperhurtado4945]

HG Tudor has got me to see that my ex-husband and his beloved mother aren’t just weirdos, but narcissist weirdos. I didn’t realize how complex the disorder was till I discovered his channel. The man is a lifesaver, and we Tudorites absolutely agree with this. As for HG the man, I’d rather not know what he looks like; in my head, he’s Stephen Frye and I don’t want to spoil the fun.

[@Geeronimo99]

Yes. Agreed

[@xo2quilt]

Yes, imagination is much better...but I have no clue who Stephen Frye is, so in my head he is someone else!

[@damee8363]

I really enjoy your chats with Andrew. You both listen to each other and have a civilized discussion. So refreshing.

[@_SummerBumble]

They are refreshing to listen to. Neither interrupts the other nor talk over each other. I could listen to their stories for hours.

[@dianatenney7821]

I agree it was a nice discussion about psychopaths many have heard so much on psychopaths!

[@karenniblock8990]

Absolutely.

[@dianatenney7821]

@@karenniblock8990 I remembered the neuroscientist James Fallon finding out he was one very interesting story.

[@karenneville-b8q]

@@dianatenney7821ooooh I must look into that. Thankyou.

[@jacquelinemould7157]

Really refreshing to hear two intelligent people have a conversation, without interruptions, shouting etc 👍

[@theheartoftexas]

I read an article that said that we as human beings aren’t emotionally wired to receive as much news and information as we are getting today. It said that throughout time, we only received news about our little village or region, and that increased with newspapers to be our nation, and somewhat, the world. Only recently have we been inundated with news and information from all over the globe about many horrific events. We as humans cannot psychologically withstand so much horror, violence, and suffering. We cannot process it. And this leads to feeling hopeless, weak, fearful, helpless, vulnerable, and angry. The article recommended that we limit how much news outside of our community we consume.

[@nursesophie5254]

That sounds really sensible and a good explanation for why it's hard to feel real empathy for foreign disasters

[@paulainsc8212]

SO TRUE! Thank you for sharing this.

[@Cooksongrl]

Exactly! I always use the example of those who lived through 2 world wars and the Great Depression. Yes they were a tough generation and they had radio but they still weren't totally inundated quite the same way. Like they said it makes us feel out of control so maybe we should learn to do what previous generations did & concentrate on staying focused on the everyday things we can control .

[@irenebarlow8865]

That is so interesting 😊

[@graceb3934]

I have heard this advice from multiple trauma experts, and it make total sense - you have explained it very well 🙏

[@petitabaird1065]

Congratulations Andrew, much happiness. x💕

[@mflow6485]

Watching a Netflix documentary to determine if someone is a murderer is like watching The Crown to learn about the royal family

[@patriciavines1526]

The Crown is Far Far Away from an actual correct depiction of the Royal family...

[@thenextpersonontheright]

I find it interesting that people often don't stop to think that documentaries have as much bias as fiction. I feel that "factual" programmes are a reflection of the views of the person who made it and you should not take verbatim the content.

[@kathleenrogers10]

@@patriciavines1526 My thought exactly.

[@NikkiWright-r8e]

@@patriciavines1526 That’s precisely what mflow6485 is saying.

[@susanday6989]

Andrew is a catch. She is a lucky gal !

[@judywright4241]

Congratulations, Andrew!🥳🎊🎉

[@Eris1701]

Congrats on your wedding, Andrew! I’ve been married 28 years and I love my wedding set, but I get bored, so I have lots of rings that I’ve bought over the years that I wear as wedding sets, or sometimes I just wear a gemstone ring. My husband, who has worn his wedding ring since I put it on his finger, just laughs and says “wear what you want. I know you’re married!” And I love him for that!

[@amethystfeathers7324]

Well having been married to a narcissist for 25 years and having a first born daughter that I'm loathe to call a narcissist.....HG has helped me understand a lot and it's helped me to trust myself again. No-one knows what it's like to be married to a narc unless they've been there. It's horrific and that's why I feel for Harry.

[@janetshemaryahu5529]

Likewise. Thank you.

[@jacquelineholmes5570]

me too married to a psychopath 20 years probably both children narcissites i am extremely sensitive and affectionate. my life is finished

[@suemcgregor9248]

​@@jacquelineholmes5570 no My Dear, your life isn't finished. You now have the knowledge that you need to be free so go now and live your best life. Do all the things that you wanted to do but weren't allowed to. The books you've never read and the movies you never saw, think about it. You have a lot of catching up to do so go for it!

[@heathergriffin537]

My late husband wouldn't wear one because he was a electrician. It was dangerous if a finger is caught etc.

[@happytoday333]

I am a woman and don't wear one. Because of work and Because I don't want to or need to.

[@cheribee968]

Ex husband was a machinist Didn’t wear one to work for safety reasons

[@patsygodfrey9565]

That's understandable, but, if your profession doesn't preclude, why not wear it. A lot of men don't wear one because they don't always want the opposite to know he's married.!!!!

[@loissheldon139]

Yes my husband is a electrician also. I felt uncomfortable that he would not wear a wedding band I had bought him a very nice one and he couldn't wear it .

[@loissheldon139]

We are all human beings we should not look at color but unfortunately this is the world today. If you were a blind person communicating with others I'm sure your attitudes would be so different.

[@It-Is-What-It-Is.]

I might have been under the rocks. Didn't' know Andrew Gold before this. Must say he's one of your best guests, Shauna. Pleasant, sensible, receptive, and accepting. 🙋‍♀

[@SeeWoelfin]

He is erudite, for sure. But there is something about him that makes me uneasy. I don't know what it is... but in the meantime I watch everything he does. The "heretics" channel is very interesting, even if the anti-woke campaign almost amounts to anti-tolerance. I am torn 😅

[@ld3418]

He is great and has 2 channels. His new Heretics is also excellent. Been following im for a long time now through COVID isolation.

[@end_of_the_world-v8g]

Andrew Gold is an absolute gem.

[@pollyparrot9447]

@@SeeWoelfin It's not fair to characterise his channel as an 'anti-woke campaign'. He interviews people who fall firmly into the 'woke' spectrum (eg Eni Aluko, Katy Jon Went, Sascha Bailey) and is nothing but respectful towards them. He is obviously interested in why people think what they think, not in telling people what to think.

[@thesubparty1]

Congratulations, Andrew! Glad to have the two of you back together.

[@sandraleschettini1152]

Great interview. Andrew Gold is so smart, honest and humble. It's hard not to like him

[@jolinefields3460]

Ahhhh Congrats on your marriage Andrew!🍾🎉❤!

[@tinaari88]

HG helped me see I wasn’t responsible for the breakdown of my marriage my husband was a psychotic narcissist who ruined relationships with my family and friends through fear ! I’m so grateful for his explorations 👍🏼💪🏼

[@Kj-sf8cj]

I love your chats with Andrew, so nice to have different topics talked about and insights. Hope the two of you continue to work together.

[@thevintageread]

I hope so too!

[@sallywillis1448]

Shauna Kay comes over as a really lovely person!

[@morrythepug]

Ahhh, so refreshing to listen to two intelligent people that know how to converse. Not one psychotic stare no speculation, no gossip, no interupting...a fine class in how a discussion should be. 'Onya Shona'

[@kerrylennox7359]

This is the Shauna, I love to watch..you are so connected and respectful to your guests. The conversations flow naturally and your guests are presented in such a positive light. These interviews are enjoyable and a pleasure to watch, thankyou Shauna😊

[@thevintageread]

Thank you x

[@voices_vary]

Andrew, today we have so much horrific news coming at us allllll the time from everywhere in the world--that we cannot feel empathetic towards all of it. It's the Emergency Room syndrome. ER doctors seem very "cold" often when witnessing terrible illness and news, but they must be that way to avoid an overload of sadness and depression.

[@HelenBurns-y8c]

I personally block out news and filter what reaches me. It keeps me from despair! I am 81 and most of my life the world was so very much nicer and easier. I am not afraid to experience what comes next to me after this lufe. It has to be better. I am sick about the United States.

[@voices_vary]

@@HelenBurns-y8c I'm older than you and--yes--it was better when the world was smaller.

[@pennylando3145]

I was about to say exactly the same thing. With the internet at our fingertips and the 24/7 news cycle, if we didn't screen out most of the suffering that we are exposed to day-in, day-out, we'd be plunged into deep depression and struggle to get out of bed in the morning.

[@jeannemara1600]

@pennylando3145 That absolutely happened to me after 9/11. I watched it on TV in real time, and I get the chills, even just writing this, when I think of that day. I finally had to stop thinking, talking or watching news, about it. I was sobbing all the time, lost weight I could not afford to lose, and became suicidal. Lesson learned. But I can get that way when watching programs about the concentration camps in WWII, or children harmed,other animals harmed etc. It breaks my heart. The older I get, the more I am likely to react in an empathetic manner.

[@heidimueller1039]

Is that really true? I have lived in peace and quiet here for 50years. No paranoia. No worries.

[@sue8344]

Shauna, you need to do a show with HG, perhaps talking about narcissists and psychopaths in literature . He has in the past spoken about the character in American Psycho as well as Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights. HG also talks about empathy that people have in different degrees .

[@allegro1234]

Yes! Interview HG!

[@sue8344]

@@maryk3458 HG has always been upfront about protecting his identity and I don’t think he’s ready to reveal himself now

[@jaym6870]

HG has just done an interview with Sue Smith. Next one up is with the Sidley Twins. He has started a new series of interviews with KZbinrs.

[@sue8344]

@@jaym6870 That’s one of the reasons I mentioned her talking to him

[@annaworth286]

@@maryk3458 A few months ago, I discovered HG’s identity by accident. I was watching a programme about English Castles on U.K. tv, and got a huge shock at hearing the narrator’s voice, it was HG’s distinctive posh delivery, with a hint of a Yorkshire accent. His name was in the credits, so I looked him up, and he’s all over the Internet, as an award winning voice actor. I listened to loads of his showreels to make sure that it was him, he must be so well known in his industry, so it’s a credit to him, and everyone who knows him, that no one has divulged his name.

[@lily_m3538]

Empathy is an emotion that comes naturally to normal people. There is not enough empathy in the world right now.

[@mihaelatudor2417]

I hear so much about empathy these years....everything is about empathy....Except actions speak better than words.

[@audreyderby7638]

Congratulations, Andrew! You look happy….thats nice. This July 7th, my husband and I will be married 62 years!! Imagine! I "lucked out" when I found him…five children, 15 grandchildren, and two great granddaughters later. I am so blessed! You probably won’t see this, as I’m watching on tape. I love both shows!

[@peggycarlyle6409]

What a great interview! He was so interesting! I bet his book is great! As to HG Tudor, I recognize that he receives positive fuel from me. He provides excellent insight and Meghan bashing, so he deserves it. 😃

[@terrianneconnor7029]

On a damp cold Sydney Sunday afternoon what could be more entertaining than a Shauna interview with one of my favourites Andrew Gold. The world needs more people like you two gems. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@thevintageread]

Awww thanks!

[@BarbaraZook-fv2bo]

Shauna I agree with you. Sometimes I won’t watch some news or read about a sad story because I don’t want to feel those emotions.

[@theheartoftexas]

I recommend a book to all females, although I think it’s just as important for males. It’s called “The Gift of Fear”. It’s written by a former FBI profiler and discusses people and situations we need to notice, and deal with if necessary, and some tactics in how to avoid danger. I’ve seen the author interviewed several times, and he is impressive!

[@JaneMacdonald-z2w]

I list my husband 6 years ago, since then I haven’t listened to the daily news, I just could take on any more sadness. I think that can happen, sometimes at times in your life the pain, suffering and horrid things that happen in the world are too much and some of us need to shut off. I love people and the beauty of the world and of course I’m aware of what’s going on ( in this day and age) who isn’t I just choose not to fill my days with it all, it’s how I got through personal grief. Shauna, love your show x

[@Polopony]

Having been through a similar experience 11 years ago this week, I empathise. I found that I 'came out the other side' of it after 7 years, and the entire experience has definitely changed my sensitivity to pain and suffering. You are wise to limit your exposure to such things; it is better by far to focus on joy and positivity whenever you can - and it isn't burying your head in the sand. It's simply making a more positive choice. By raising your focus, you bring receptive people up with you, rather than joining others empathetically in their suffering, which does neither them or you much good. Good luck💕

[@welliegirl8736]

You’re bloody brilliant Shauna! You and Andrew together are fantastic, I could watch you interview people all day. Thank you ❤ for talking about Andrew’s book. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading it, I hope he writes more.

[@thevintageread]

Thank you for your lovely supportive comment x

[@dianegilchrist677]

Congratulations to Andrew & his wife.🎉🎈🎊🍾

[@carolsummers-burke507]

Wishing you joy Andrew!

[@aroyalaustralian]

Having worked in State & Federal government as a press secretary, I encountered many psychopaths. The seduction with psychopaths is real, as their personalities are engaging. I soon learned how to navigate these relationships/ encounters, but the trick is to use psychopathic traits to remain ahead of them. In which case, you learn quickly what you yourself are capable of.

[@sarahsimpson8770]

Excellent conversation Shauna and Andrew. I throughly enjoyed it.

[@thevintageread]

So glad!

[@noraschwerdt1337]

You look lovely in red Shauna! Congratulations Andrew on your wedding!

[@thevintageread]

Thank you so much!

[@RosieES8288]

Sorry i missed this - loved the take down of Daniella Elser. Love Andrews show as well. Fantastic interview guys - super fan.

[@thevintageread]

Thanks for listening xxx

[@LadyLynne]

Love listening to Shauna and her guest whoever it may be. This is a brilliant chat with Andrew. Both polite and very interesting. Thank you both 💕

[@LC_from_MO]

This was so interesting, what a great collaboration ❤❤ 15:56 Shauna, you are absolutely correct ✅ people so scroll past stories because we know it will be distressing and feel powerless to help. Most of us are dealing with enough stress that we can help.

[@Carte-Blanche-NZ]

I loved the calmness in people after they make that public declaration of love and commitment. Congratulations Andrew.❤🎉

[@Freespeech141]

Excellent interview - thank you both. I’ve been told off by HG in a live chat when I asked him when he’d actually be doing a certain video he was planning. He told me “WAIT to open your presents on the day!” In that booming voice!! 😱 But….occasionally I have seen respectful and empathic signs either him, in my view. Such as the video he did just after Queen Elizabeth died, it was beautiful and quite emotional.

[@carolm7547]

Andrew, I love the way you express yourself about what you understand and know because it makes me hear you and I have learned so much. I am trained in a people field and you have a frank, no nonsense quality about you I appreciate. You are able to express your knowledge without your ego being involved so you have got a fan in me. I will search out your other blog site and read your book. I love it when someone brings new learning to my life about people.

[@justine9650]

Two of my favorite people. Congratulations Andrew

[@AnnaKallenberg-v4t]

I can definitely see/hear why people think HG and Andrew Gold may be one and the same. You mentioned Andrew Gold is a linguist, his knowledge of psychopathy, he's a published author, lovely speaking voice, and good looks!

[@PinkPosies-dk7qp]

They sound nothing alike. I think only a non-English person would say this.

[@AnnaKallenberg-v4t]

@@PinkPosies-dk7qp HG puts on a posh accent.

[@janloftness]

Shauna, I just took the HARE test on behalf of Markle, and she scored 42 of 44! I think you must have been very generous when you did it.

[@mattier.9095]

You CANNOT take the test on behalf of someone 😂. You don’t know the operation of her mind. One can only guess or assume another person’s thoughts or views - your results are not valid.

[@Beruthiel45]

​@@mattier.9095 I guess it's not always possible to understand that someone might be saying something "tongue in cheek?" 😊

[@thevintageread]

😂💕

[@end_of_the_world-v8g]

We all know that Meghan Markle would have the lowest possible score if she was taking the test herself. Her narcissism will never allow her to answer truthfully to any question...we have plenty evidence of that.

[@RMBlake007]

@@mattier.9095 I don't think our host intimated that her test result on behalf of another person were "valid". In fact, as I recall, Shauna said they were playing a sort of "parlor game"; for fun...(not for scientific study). I do find it fascinating to take this test based on anothers' "action results evidence". Many ppl cannot take this kind of test because they are deluded about how their brain works. So doing a test based on the persons ACTUAL decisions & consequences, vs what they trick their brain into thinking they would do in a certain situation, is an interesting concept.

[@lizziesimmi5646]

One of the best interviews I have seen on KZbin. You asked really good questions and gave Andrew time to answer and you developed an amazing rapport between the two of you. Thank you

[@2pekes568]

Great episode Shauna! I love when you interview people. You ask thoughtful questions in a polite way. Thank you for raising the bar on high quality KZbin episodes.❤

[@kathyevans2968]

What I like about both of your channels, is that you are thought provoking & articulate. In your own way, you clarify & challenge the narrative of running thoughts & conversations in popular, or not, social media & news circles. Thanks for another Interesting discussion.

[@Wildflowers516]

Nice to catch you both …. Winding down this Saturday evening In New York . My husband wears his band , doesn’t wear any other jewelry of any kind …. Congratulations Andrew ❤

[@heatherhensley9183]

Congrats Andrew! 🎉

[@Debbie-p4z]

HG Tudor is a must watch for all

[@marij3219]

Congratulations Andrew! Today's show was so interesting. As was previously noted you and Sauna both are listeners and you seem to have a mutual appreciation of one another. I've long thought she's a bright, fun and interesting woman and you are such a brilliant man with the most fascinating mind. You nicely compliment one another.

[@thevintageread]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@AnnaGreen-vl2do]

Lovely interview, I love all your shows.

[@terris7842]

I’d like to see Andrew interview Russell Brand. Not that I like RB, but I think Andrew is great at interviewing controversial people. Jk Rowling would be great too and Ricky Gervais. Andrew is such a great interviewer.

[@thevintageread]

He is!

[@Lainers2000]

Had heard of but wasn’t familiar with Andrew Gold. I enjoyed the interview. Thank you, Shauna.

[@jodyhoward8575]

Congratulations Andrew! Well done you two.

[@Fiona86555]

I do the same as you Shauna, I scroll past upsetting stuff because there’s so much of it everywhere, I feel like I have to protect my mind.

[@Leeny017]

I'm the same, especially when it comes to animals. I get so upset and it sticks in my brain; you can't unsee some stuff, you know? I wish I could help them all...I do feel guilty about it because I feel like I should, at the very least, bear witness.

[@rmanning2750]

I am a wife and I don’t like wearing rings so very seldom wear it.

[@judywright4241]

Same here, I was messing it up with gardening, and after twenty years🤷‍♀️I’ve never worn it again.

[@freyjathorsdottir5126]

Same

[@RussiaIsARiddle778]

Why?

[@sandidueckman1491]

Same and people always give me grief for it.

[@madeyed2702]

@@sandidueckman1491 People should mind their own business!

[@flowermeerkat6827]

I agree with Andrew slogans shut down debate and discussion

[@colleenwhitman9040]

I’ve been following HG for a few years and he’s an EXCELLENT source of information. As for using caution with his channel- this is true of EVERYONE LOL! It doesn’t matter if it’s a YT channel, msm, X, FB, your family member, a neighbor, friends or a coworker- people should always be cautious and do their own research!

[@thevintageread]

Great point!

[@mattier.9095]

I don’t wear my wedding ring unless I’m getting dressed up. Happily married for 27 years, my husband doesn’t wear his often either. A ring doesn’t make you faithful - your heart, mind and vows do.

[@susanread2637]

Me either...married 53 years only wear my ring when going out. I love it but my skin is very sensitive and reacts even to 18 k gold...same reason I can't have pierced ears😢 I can't afford 24 k jewelery which I understand I would not react to.

[@kerryloughnan6923]

Fabulous as ever ❤ thanks Shauna 🦘🇦🇺 love love your work. Our Aussie girl 👋😊

[@thevintageread]

Thanks so much! 😊

[@traceywilson3780]

So enjoyed this conversation. Two of my fav KZbin people great to have 2 people having a discussion without talking over each other, it makes you listen more to what been said👍

[@thevintageread]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sandidueckman1491]

Great chat with Andrew...again. Too funny, I always used to think HG Tudor sounded like Hugh Grant a little. Tonight, I was listening to him interview Sue Smith and in a conversational tone, I thought, omg, he sounds more like Andrew! lol

[@racheeerach]

I am convinced he's an overweight older man with white hair that I saw on a interview talking about Meghan and Andrew once. I wish I could remember the man's name or the interview he was on because it bugs me so much. He said he was a journalist, I believe, who was in the military around the same time Andrew served. It was just one interview I saw him on, and I haven't seen him again, but I was just so certain it was him.

[@sabsmcdabs7139]

Their accents are from different parts of the UK. They don't sound similar to my ear

[@babs66]

@@sabsmcdabs7139 HG puts on RP he's actually northern.

[@margaretmorris672]

Shauna l loved the interview with Andrew, you were so respectful of each other and it made for such an interesting conversation . Thank you 💕

[@thevintageread]

Thank you so much!

[@pattipride9731]

Im a trusting person. My kids are on their own, Im divorced & live on my own, happily. I picked up a gal walking on the side of the road (I had seen her in the restaurant where I worked part time) later I found out she had been in prison for murder. Im a retired teacher, traveled around the world...Im learning not to be so trusting. Its hard to do! But necessary if you want to stay alive! Having family & friends around is very important. In this day & age...my wisdom to the world is Stay in your own neighborhood, travel is fine & educational but there are people in the world who are BAD. Protect your family & friends. Reading is the KEY😃

[@HelenBurns-y8c]

I so agree with you!

[@heathergriffin537]

Congratulations Andrew.

[@IsabelDaniel-cu4zj]

Thank you so much for such an interesting conversation!l 34:15 istening to someone that knows what is speaking about is refreshing. Thank you both.

[@mattier.9095]

Huge fan of Andrew’s both podcasts - On the Edge and Heretics. Love this channel too.

[@bruji2001]

Such an interesting interview; I was completely enthralled.Thank you so much both of you! ❤ This is a book i’ll be buying in hardcopy immediately😊xx

[@LynetteMcGrath]

Interesting the point about people being convicted because they 'look guilty'. A perfect example of that was Lindy Chamberlain. She was declared guilty because she didn't look upset enough (in public) at losing her baby and the evidence was made to fit that result.

[@thevintageread]

Yes!

[@jujubean54ify]

And she spent how many years in prison for losing her baby to a pack of dingoes?

[@LynetteMcGrath]

@@jujubean54ify I'm not sure how long she was in prison, but one of the worst parts was that she was pregnant when she was convicted and her new baby was taken away from her.

[@jujubean54ify]

@@LynetteMcGrath that’s absolutely horrendous.

[@angelas.9717]

A "woke nation" is the outcome of the competition for performative empathy and virtue signaling...

[@kyliekynaston1829]

My two favourites

[@JoTracy]

Great conversation I love Andrew

[@Janet694-f1x]

The problem with the test is that if someone is a pathological liar, they are likely to lie when answering the questions.

[@end_of_the_world-v8g]

Same with narcissists.

[@aherring10]

Enjoyed this discussion. About empathy for distant disasters: for me it is that we don’t need to know about every tragedy, we aren’t meant to have that much unhappiness heaped on us. In my 88 years one of the many changes has been the ability to know about them all, all day and all night. The channels have to fill the time with something to make money. With the knowledge of so many the mind can become innured to suffering, or corruption etc. or one can get depressed or one can join a useless protest that offers no solutions but just more problems.

[@Oshunsprite]

Fascinating and lively convo between you two. There is a difference between a sociopath and psychopath. Dr Robert Hare is renowned for his Psychopathy checklist test as brought up by Shauna. His book, "Without Conscience" is worth a read. Andrew is right to say that Psychopathy is a spectrum disorder as is Sociopathy. Sociopaths have a conscience, albeit a weak one, and will often justify something they know to be wrong. By contrast, psychopaths will believe that their actions are justified and feel no remorse for any harm done.

[@dulamedic7147]

Hey Shauna , I absolutely adore you and Andrew…what a great interview, so interesting. I also love HG…not because he is a psychopath, but because he is so bloody funny… the start of his videos where he plays the Harry and megsy Netflix music, has her squeezing bananas and him yelping as a ginger poodle…cracks me up every time, no matter how many times I’ve seen it. Plus he is just hilarious in how he recounts the behaviour of Haz and Megs…LOL

[@lindasmith2345]

I really enjoyed this episode with Andrew!!!

[@kjbcvintage]

Hey Shauna! This one was better than the last one. Andrew seems to have relaxed and you two had a really interesting conversation. I really enjoyed it! I look forward to the next ones. Awesome job Shauna you made your guest feel at ease and he shared a lot of interesting stories. I am enjoying these videos. 🙂👏🏻

[@thevintageread]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@kimclarke5018]

Great interview with Andrew. Congrats to him on his recent marriage. As clinician with many years training and experience, a cautionary note he’s an investigative journalist and not an expert on psychopathy, sociopathy etc. Nice guy no doubt, and actually will pick up his book out of interest.

[@DeepThought42]

Great interview Shauna, we can always rely on you for fantastic discussion videos. HG is doing an "In Conversation with" series where he's interviewing other KZbinrs. It's a very different to when he lets others interview him, as Andrew here described. He's asked for his viewers to suggest/request who he should interview in the future and I suggested you as I think it would be an incredible discussion (especially after hearing his first "in conversation"), and promote your channel so well at the same time. If you're reluctant, have a look at the first one he's done with Sue Smith to get a feel of what happens and I think you'll enjoy it and be more amiable to the suggestion of letting him interview you. I believe he's about to release his second one with the Sidley Twins tonight Australian time 1am Monday AEST so that one will be worth listening to as well. Basically I think you and HG in discussion would just so fantastic, and be an outstanding video. I'm writing this in the hope you see it as HG asked that we help facilitate discussion between him and our suggested person, I think as he knows some may have the wrong impression and be a bit scared to do it. Anyway, Shauna, see what you think. I'd be so keen to hear an conversation with HG and you. He seems to like us Aussies and having a conversation with an Australian would provide some contrast to the Brits and Americans that will probably dominate his "In conversation" series.

[@janac407]

Funny that you mention HG Tudor, he is looking for interesting youTubers to interview and both your names have been suggested!

[@leesa3140]

Andrew has interviewed HG.

[@mezzamuddle]

Shauna said she's not comfortable talking with HG because she prefers to see the person she's interviewing.

[@thevintageread]

Yes we have made contact however I told him I want to watch from the audience this time! 😊

[@janac407]

@@leesa3140yes. That’s how I discovered Andrew. Very good interviews. It would be interesting to hear HG interviewing Andrew this time, about his new book and Heretics.

[@janac407]

⁠@@thevintagereadGood answer, Shauna 😊 Thank you for replying to my comment. I love your channel 💕

[@louisenurse1234]

In my opinion he is HG Tudor!

[@audreywright66]

Congrats Andrew on your marriage 🎉 Here's to many years of compromising 🥂

[@juliepettit225]

EXCELLENT INTERVIEW!! 🙌 Andrew - I started following you from here in Arizona, USA just before you launched Heretics and have been hooked on that channel from day one. I own a logistics company and am a US Customs Broker. International trade is my career and its human capital cost is my passion. I have the same view about trade as Robbie has about performing. To withhold trade, or performing, in Robbie's case, is to silence our inner humanity compass.

[@jm162]

Empathy is strongest when you see those that need it in yourself...

[@TecOneself]

Congratulations with your marriage. Argentinian food is one of the best and caring forms. Thank you for the show!

[@julietrask7497]

Great episode ! Andrew, so happy for you & your wife.

[@kristinzissis6556]

Wonderful interview, Shauna.

[@greyfriars6540]

I read, so not sure if true, that James Fallon's family line included seven alleged murderers, including Lizzie Borden. His reason for not being violent or a serial killer was that his childhood was stable, normal and happy. He was highly functional and intelligent, extremely competitive and a high achiever. Some of these people add value to society so, should we be weeding them out completely? Can we differentiate between a violent and non violent psychopath from a brain scan? RIP James Fallon. Great podcast.

[@crazydays7]

🇺🇸Great interview you two!!!

[@flowermeerkat6827]

I love hearing the both of you chat

[@katetackaberry8263]

Love HG Tudor's channel, and yes his accent slips occasionally, in how he pronounces book as buck and other instances of double 'o' sounds - still enjoy listening to him.

[@rebeccamontague9811]

100% I don't want to feel it if I can't fix it or help. Protecting my peace.

[@EvaM1307]

Great chat, thank you!

[@waleriab.f394]

Thanks, I really enjoyed your chit chat with Andrew

[@thevintageread]

So glad!

[@jm162]

HG Tudor is exactly what he claims to be...which is his "charm" and value. I got a little caught up in thinking he wasn't as bad as he says he is for a stretch - that is only dangerous to me as I then lose the importance in his discussions!

[@wendyvanhorn6386]

Fascinating interview! 🌟🌟🌟

[@Savoera]

15:44 I totally agree with this, Shauna. This is why I avoid everything about the war between Israel and Palestine. There is nothing I can do about it, so I don't want to be confronted with all the horrors humans can inflict upon one another. 😢

[@annaworth286]

They’ve been fighting each other for over 2,000 years, nothing that we say or do is going to change anything. None of the countries surrounding them want to be involved, so the best thing for us, is that we don’t get involved either, I might sound cynical, but self preservation is key.

[@Savoera]

@@annaworth286 💯 agreed.

[@shthomas7306]

Lack of capacity to bear any more tragedy...