Andrew Tate Cancellation Debate w/ Sneako And Fresh N Fit ft. MJGetRight

Sneako and Destiny joins the Fresh And Fit podcast with MJGetRight to debate the Andrew Tate vs Logan Paul and cancel culture in the tech world...
@Logan Paul & @IMPAULSIVE Virtue Signal Frauds? Discussion w/@SNEAKO, @Destiny & @MJ GetRight ► • Video (ORIGINAL VIDEO)
Date: 2 Sep, 2022
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[@Casper-Ghost]

Destiny, thanks for calling out the importance of adversity for developing strength as a person. I teach people to regain independence and learn to travel around without help after they lose their vision, (its called Orientation and Mobility) and I always tell students that stress and adversity are neurologically necessary to learning a skill particularly when its one that you plan to trust your life with. The brain can't undergo plasticity (physical change and development of the brain) without undergoing stress so adversity is an opportunity to grow and develop and the harder and more stressful it is the more change that is possible; the trick is to make sure you get strength from it instead of weakness. I always tell people that if I send them on a route and they don't experience difficulty they need to overcome and think through then I failed as a teacher in choosing the assignment or route

[@The_Daliban]

New Videos don’t show up in my notifications

[@ThJakester897]

Fresh says words really fast, but he pauses so much when he talks that it averages out to a normal rate of speech.

[@Botatochicken]

I hate the way he talks it’s so obnoxious. And it’s not his accent or anything it’s just the way he communicates it’s so annoying.

[@ILoveBluePeople]

@@Botatochicken yes, and I'd assume it'd be hard to debate him just on that fact...

[@jasonborne5359]

Lol i really hate listening to him

[@ShinigamiXL_]

@@Botatochicken mans doing his best and even hired a speech therapist

[@mambamentality5875]

@@Botatochicken he has a speech impediment and he's working on it.

[@Mrbigdaddymanamale]

Sneako is speed running becoming Alex Jones.

[@christophewells3918]

Literally, lol.

[@mclazerz8931]

Honestly, it's impressive

[@kaizen1723]

Only hope is he grows up before he falls off the edge

[@badassproductions4734]

😂😂😂

[@spikedmo]

He’s not nearly funny enough to be Alex Jones

[@d8scorelab869]

Sneako really has mush for brains. It would really be enjoyable to see Myron and Destiny chatting together without all the sloppy goons chiming in.

[@krombopulos_michael]

The shit he says is so massively dumb that nobody even seems to be paying attention to him. He's going deeper and deeper on made up conspiracies and nobody is really even acknowledging his weird comments about billionaires summoning Satan.

[@lemonheadkw2493]

@Chris Clark Chris Clark but so much… less. I think back to these two quotes. Sneako: a real man does whatever he wants, whenever he wants. He gets what he wants. Andrew tate: how I feel in the morning doesn’t change what I do that day. I do what I need to do.

[@LivingAdhd]

Somebody hates parties

[@bumblebeme]

Every single thing these guys shit talk about someone else can be thrown back at them and it would be true.

[@cole7181]

this sounds super bad bro🤣🤣

[@B_B-420]

Character attacks are completely valid against Tate, who presents himself as a certain character. He claims to be a "traditional alpha male", as mentioned by Paul. Except his entire life is the opposite of a "traditional alpha male". He's not married, no kids, he is the exact opposite of everything he claims to be. When he is claiming to have a certain type of character, and does not live up to that expectation... Calling him out on that is completely reasonable, even if it's a "character attack", because the entire reason he became popular is by lying about his character.

[@rheeferr]

How you know he has no kids?

[@Evan-qb6vr]

@@rheeferr tate has said he doesn’t have kids. I guess he could be lying but that’s what he’s said

[@B_B-420]

@@rheeferr He has kids? What are their names, and the name of their mother?

[@kingjaydex7464]

He believes in traditional gender roles.. he doesn’t market himself as a traditional male

[@tonyoso1391]

Does not warrant a ban. Keep moving the goal post.

[@crazedking]

I am amazed at Destiny's ability to avoid brain rot by listening to these takes

[@LA-xc4tc]

I get physical headaches listening to them after 5 minutes.

[@mjuklo5]

Honestly! I find it so frustrating when he doesn’t give an counter argument. Of course I understand he cannot do it throughout the podcast but still..

[@billymurray1687]

Truth stings a little huh?

[@stoplyingabout]

@@billymurray1687 What truth? "dA mAtRiX cOmiNg tO gEt yOuuuu!!!"

[@Majorfuckinghero]

It's kind of ironic how it's going over the entire panels' heads when Destiny brings up confirmation bias. It directly applies to their own bias in finding these "problematic" women for their show, with messed up ideals.

[@shu3684]

i dont think its 'finding' they just take common women

[@charlesmiv3842]

@Mrwompwomp Iam you sound so dumb lol. I can tell just by the way you describe women on a numerical scale that you’ve had no experiences with them

[@charlesmiv3842]

@@shu3684 yeah, the women that appear on fresh and fit all seem pretty ratchet

[@blacksuitedsonic]

@@shu3684 They are not common women though. Anyone who is even willing to go on a podcast like that is already out of the norm.

[@Majorfuckinghero]

@@shu3684 Don't know where you hang out, but if that's the norm for you then I don't know what to tell you. Legit never in my life have I hung out with any girl of that "caliber" on purpose. And I'm not even picky.

[@MenchieExtrakt]

The show host says “Tate makes free content, you dont have to buy hustler’s university”. We all know people like Tate will say “if you’re not willing to put in $50 to invest in yourself, do you even want to be rich?”

[@jackdaw6359]

it's a typical pyramid scheme. That's the worst part of it all.

[@kinart243]

Do you know why rich people club have expensive entry fees ? Or why open source software are always neglected even if those maybe as good as paid one ?

[@adambalogh7239]

You know that he only would say that to advertise HU. Not seriously.

[@ryanli5803]

@@kinart243 Yeah, people value things they paid for more than things that are free.

[@kinart243]

@@ryanli5803 at least you my friend understand, free content are great but it will never be the same as paid one

[@tuisc00dk19]

they seem to forget that Logan and KSI actually changed when they where called out for their bullshit. Tate has been very clear in his conversations/debates that he doesn't care about evidence and will not chance the way he behaves.

[@JayLEwing]

No, Andrew Tate isn’t saying he’s made mistakes, he still represents all of his current statements. KSI & Logan we’re both much younger, and have dramatically changed, so yes I believe their redemption arc, if or when Andrew Tate changes his rhetoric, opinions of him should also change. It’s ironic how they say he shouldn’t be judged on his speech, then proceed to judge others on theirs.

[@lauriewhittaker]

Fr logan even said that he would give Andrew a second chance if he was willing to change. Their whole argument of logan being a hypocrite is flawed.

[@at5203]

​@Mrwompwomp Iam Yes, if someone says "I still think I'm right and I'm going to keep doing the shit that got me in trouble", of course they don't get a second chance bro, wtf are you even saying.

[@at5203]

@Mrwompwomp Iam If you are against cancelling just say that dude, you are here complaining about why aren't people instantly forgiving a guy that has doubled down on the shit that got him in trouble.

[@Theliblubshow]

@Mrwompwomp Iam Tate is also way older and not in his 20s while doing all this.

[@venegas713]

This is Destiny going through the adoption process.

[@reiggier9211]

Destiny and melina are currently legally disputing the parental rights fresh and fit have over sneako. I've watched latest hearings and I'm glad to say it looks like destiny is gaining some ground!

[@sathariel3231]

@@reiggier9211 LMAO

[@HomoErectus311]

Is it just me or does Destiny rarely pushback these days ?

[@FunNHonesty]

@@HomoErectus311 experience changes people

[@klip8726]

@@HomoErectus311 destiny hasn't pushed back much in any of these fresh and fit debates he just adds on to their points nowadays

[@niclastname]

I'm not at all a fan of the Paul brothers so I'm not defending them, but they're being pretty inconsistent and a bit hypocritical throughout this discussion this time. -Logan is bad for flipping his opinion of Tate so easy... meanwhile they're completely flipping on Logan solely over his opinion of Tate -He's gonna see that the left will attack on him over nothing.... while they're washing their hands of him over one thing he said about one topic -"I was a fan of Logan until this Tate thing".... but "Logan just makes shit content where all they do is joke and talk about nothing" -"it's bad that they sell porn".... but "It's totally legit Top G alpha-grindset when Tate and Adam22 do it" -"It's bad that the one guy is with a pornstar".... "but again, it's totally cool and legit that Tate ran a porn business, literally creating the thing we say is bad for society in the first place" "...also it's totes okay that Adam22 is with a pornstar (and _is,_ himself, a porstar)... because we like him" Sneako also conveniently ignoring that Adam's dad was literally pardoned for voter fraud by Bill goddamn Clinton his hilarious lmao. A few times it seemed like they realized that they were being inconsistent. They'd randomly catch themselves attempt to hand wave it away the hypocrisy out of nowhere, as if to preempt someone pointing it out. They didn't actually distinguishing between the two.

[@dingdong124578123456]

Great take. Destiny’s the real Top G 😂 I think if Destiny continues to be a part of this, he will win the community over with his amazingly objective views. But overall, I do enjoy being on this side of the commentary.

[@DoubleO88]

This is actually a decent take rather than all the other "Tate doesn't want to change tho" comments.

[@niclastname]

@@DoubleO88 That is a fair argument as well though, but that's definitely oversimplified. There's more to it than that, so I didn't want to write a bunch out to explain, but they _are_ also ignoring a lot of extra details and factors to try to equivocate "Logan did a bad thing in the past" to then shoehorn that into "therefore it's the same as Tate". They're not really comparable situations, even though I agree that Logan's was bad. Just the fact that Logan's was a controversial event, whereas Tate's is/was an ongoing and continuous and consistent "issue" is a significant factor if you're going to compare the two. Just to clarify, I'm not for banning either of them. I'm just sharing some thoughts about inconsistencies popping up that were bothering me while listening through this discussion.

[@BUllETpR00f782]

U missed the point. Mile maljak was attacking the fact that he had a webcam business but the defending argument was that he’s a hypocrite for saying that about tate when he promotes porn as well

[@niclastname]

​@@BUllETpR00f782 His criticism of Tate wasn't that porn and camgirls are bad though. It was that it's hypocritical for Tate to do because it goes against what he espouses (he was listing several things Tate is built on that go against his "traditionalist message"). So if they were attacking him for hypocrisy, that doesn't really follow since he wasn't attacking the camgirl thing as wrong in itself.

[@severedbeliefs]

Man, I feel like Destiny lets them run with so much garbage. I had to tap out half way through, hopefully he pushed back more during the second half, but this is just garbage to listen to.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

The old destiny is gone.

[@at5203]

He is just pandering now, desperatly trying to look cool to this right wing audience. One thing is to pick your battles, another thing entirely is whatever this was.

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@at5203 If he was trying to look cool he wouldn’t have mentioned his open relationship. Maybe they just agreed on most of the topics.

[@at5203]

@@carlemthe3rd401 His open relationship is public knowledge, so not sure how he not hiding it proves anything.

[@Muhluri]

Not much fighting back here

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

As a 2 tour Iraqi Vet. Joined 03. IDC if ppl boo, if ppl burn flags. Some solider get in in their feelings about it but it's one of the rights we joined to protect. I will enjoy my free meals, and my VA benefits and live the best citizen life I can.

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

@@coreyander286 it's all in compassing, and it was mainly for the manoshere bros he is talking too. Vets want healthcare. We give 2 shits about a hand shake, free grand slam and a "thank you for your service". Take care of the damaged brothers and sisters. Stop making more.

[@HomoErectus311]

@@coreyander286 It’s about legit free speech though. Not private company censorship.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

when soldiers come back does the US help them get jobs that they like? for example if you left and did some communications/radio (etc) or something related position in the army, would they help you get civilian job like that when you come back?

[@static_kitten]

@@thatsreallyamoon Met a bunch of vets working at amazon who all did stuff like IT in the military, something you would imagine being highly marketable... they still ended up at amazon lmfao

[@Siegeclan34]

@@static_kitten The only jobs that a Vet's occupation while in the military would translate over to the Civilian world would be government jobs.

[@kina8625]

took me 20 minutes to realise RP was redpill and not roleplay

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

LMAOOO with that pfp I’m not surprised

[@deep_and_profound_topics]

@@coreyander286 wow

[@lunkee6972]

@@coreyander286 so true.

[@cultreader9751]

Pfp checks out

[@gavingibson8965]

thought someone would make fun of it, i made the same mistake.

[@christianfox7431]

When that guy in the first clip they played said "Andrew tate doesn't have a family." He was just talking about how he(tate) preaches that men should start families. So he clearly meant that he doesn't have a wife, not that "he doesn't have a mom". It's so enlightening when people are so disingenuous that it shows you who they really are. What's sneako's top tier evidence that tate is a "good guy"? He has lots of money and gets mad bitches?

[@hyphed4196]

But how does logan know that? barely anyone fucking knew his brother had a kid, and he's a clone of andrew.

[@robbiedaw3415]

Exactly, this podcast is so dumb

[@Weioweioweio]

We didn´t know his brother "Tristan" had a daughter until two weeks ago. So we never know. And Andrew himself said, I won´t make my family public.

[@nothde9865]

How do you prove if you are a good guy lmao? Donating to charities? Greeting and treating people well?

[@bearimo2867]

@@nothde9865 you don't advocate for violence against women. That's a good starting point.

[@ClashOfGamesV1]

I really respect destiny for never putting himself in an echo chamber I don’t agree with all his views but I really respect him as a person

[@EmeraldaKasim]

Same. It's very admirable. a dude like this who articulates himself as well as he does, a diamond in the rough

[@nothingmuch4718]

But not a diamond in league...

[@hui975]

did you watch it? I don't see any eco chamber

[@josephpa05]

Same. It's rare to find truthful people these days

[@unconventionalguitarist9129]

I’m diamond 2

[@here_for_the_lolz7247]

Its crazy to hear Fresh&Fit say all this about canceling and attacking people when Fresh&Fit are very well known for striking videos of other creators who critique them 😂😂 to get their channel strikes and taken down... AKA "canceled" bunch of clowns 🤡

[@theprinceofpie]

FnF's tried to defend themselves on Tim Pool's podcast. Tim Pool of all people had to explain fair use to them. Aba did a video on it. 🤣

[@hadesgodoftheunderworld0181]

Ohh so everybody else can make mistakes and grow, except for the redpill community, gotchya 😂

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@hadesgodoftheunderworld0181 They destroyed other people in that path to knowledge, is that fair?

[@BabyPluto82]

@@SporkyMcFly Can’t make an omelette without…?

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@BabyPluto82 ... the murder of babies.

[@wasd3108]

Andrew Tate as a 80 y old saying something dumb af Sneako: yo, don't be hypocritical, people can grow and learn

[@giacintaah]

Lol right he's like "what happened to learning & growing"?? Like bro he needs to actually LEARN & GROW to learn & grow. He hasn't changed his views at all lol

[@carlemthe3rd401]

Shouldn’t have gotten banned tho.

[@wasd3108]

@@carlemthe3rd401 how is that related to my comment you're sub-commenting to? gtfo

[@nostalgicrockvideos]

That wasn't even the point, genius

[@donaldthompson6808]

Biggest strawman if I see one.

[@schwifty148]

I lose brain cells almost every time Sneako opens his mouth.

[@biggiesmalls3096]

I still dont know if the guys grifting or not, his old videos were really self aware how can you mature backwards?

[@rafaelgarcia5797]

@@biggiesmalls3096 the power of mass reassurance

[@davidcarty7584]

Relax why you fools keep hating on my boy sneako you don't need to agree with him but put some respect on his name

[@wreckfish3198]

@@davidcarty7584 this is the most bot comment I’ve ever read LOL

[@davidcarty7584]

@@wreckfish3198 amazing how a bot calling me a bot 🤯

[@aacc3585]

I love how whenever someone says something stupid Fresh jumps in and says “thats a good point”

[@dddestruction527]

or he’ll just repeat exactly what someone says and tops it off with “so you were right”

[@Pwnage4]

take a deep look in a mirror right into ur own eyes and ask "am i the stupid one"?

[@AcrossTheSea12]

You can save some time and fast forward every time that dude talks. Actual NPC

[@TR13400]

He reminds me of FeelsDankMan

[@EdertheJust]

They should of had someone who agrees with tate being banned off of social media. 🙄 just a bunch of tate yes men.

[@lawrencelord9777]

the type of person you are describing that would advocate for banning, doesn't comprehend speech. let alone know how to compose themselves for debate.

[@matsab7930]

50:40 - sneako, a 23 year old skinny man who's done nothing remotely challenging with his life proceeds to question why other people are so mentally weak. Like dude, you make your money talking on the internet, how can you possibly comment on what real people are doing with their lives? None of these men are even particularly masculine, none of them do traditionally masculine work; they're nothing but entertainers, and the fact that they seem oblivious to just how little their behaviours align with their ideology is just insane to me.

[@juancsmix]

so true. they produce norhing, they preach nonsense, yet they think they know the secret

[@mathnico1]

You clearly haven’t done any research on sneako. Sad. You are the problem with the world

[@amandamarie69]

Definitely agree, aside from the fact that it does take a lot of mental fortitude to put yourself out there on the internet imo

[@tkposts0_]

they are all millionaires, plus have you seen sneakos physique now?

[@fabiobalassia]

My favorite part was when Destiny threw the mic at Fresh while shouting "It's Destin' time"

[@twocheezitz9182]

Time stamp? I cant find it

[@myym79]

@@twocheezitz9182 1:21:32 gotcha, bro

[@twocheezitz9182]

@@myym79 thx bro, was looking for good fap material

[@yourboyyakub6263]

What I wished was mentioned when discussing Tate's influences on kids is that fact that he actively promotes the clip what I say and post it on social media which was talked about in the podcast. He is the one promoting it which is why he is getting so popular, its unfair for FnF to say its fucked to clip a 20 second portion of a video and upload it when he promotes it, why does he get to not deal with the repercussions of what he told his audience to do.

[@SamNL]

Absolutely true. He complains about short clips out of context of him while it is exactly his fans who do it (for referral links mostly). Tate boasts about conquering the internet, but the biggest contributor has by far been the “easy to eat” short clips like TikToks, YT reels and Instagram shorts. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these short clips that people complain about hold his actual beliefs …

[@MenAskMia]

Exactly

[@thenativeson5071]

Yeah, thats his mistake....assuming people are actually more sensible to act in good fate than people are capable of this days.

[@domerame5913]

The 20 sec clip is not point, it's the fact that people will clip something out of context to make it seem like something it's not

[@bojack509]

It’s the shorter clips of the short clips that’s edited to portray him as a woman hater! Come on now, use some intellect!

[@mylodelrey6520]

"they dont teach guys female nature" bruh i cant listen to this shit without my braincells dying in real time.

[@PuddingXXL]

100%. The arch destiny is on, I agree with but being exposed to listen to these guys utter their mindless shit for hours on end is draining. In Destiny's place I would have ran long ago but relationship shit is boring to me regardless. Man the ideas of women these guys have make my brain explode.

[@carlemthe3rd401]

You would probably agree with the existence of “toxic masculinity” and isn’t that part of male nature? And if there is male nature there is definitely female nature.

[@christopherg.8591]

@@carlemthe3rd401 The point he is making is that their ideas of female nature are brain dead. Some of their points are true but the conclusions they reach are fucking horrible. I used to be a PUA reader and I get evolutionary psychology, but their takes are so bad now that I've grown and actually been around girls and having relationships as well

[@mylodelrey6520]

@@carlemthe3rd401 yeah i wouldn't deny that there is a female nature, just the statement that people have to learn about those from other lost men on youtube is a bit wild to me. you learn these things by, drumroll, socializing with others in real life. not by consuming their trash unironically, i'm sorry. it really is just a grift.

[@revivedsoul1099]

Loose braincells by what exactly? What was the things they said which you disagree with, examples? On your point saying "yeah i wouldn't deny that there is a female nature, just the statement that people have to learn about those from other lost men on youtube is a bit wild to me." . So what is wrong about trying to learn and self improve on youtube, milions of people do that regardless if its regular life skill or achademic. Did somone foce you to watch this video? Also how are this men lost? This men are sucessfull people probably more succesfull than most people, including you. They seem to be have their life sorted aswell as happy. So what is this "lost men". Spesificaly Fresh and Fit who have socialised with women than you ever will in your life span by by 1000+. So whats trash of their ideas? Is telling a man to be rich, fit, selective, logica, confident wrong? What is a valuable info since you know whats trash or not lol. Honestly everything you said is just mindless rubish with no value, painfull how arogant and its ironic comming from a person who upload video of playing Elden Ring (a game). So that dosent drop your braincells. It feels like they are refering to people like you. Ignorant , sheeple and stupid.

[@whiteperson1742]

Every time I hear these guy I feel like I’m in high school again smh

[@jonboner1731]

So how are people supposed to speak?

[@nostalgicrockvideos]

Go watch impulsive

[@MultiLex101]

Not enough sophistry for you huh

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@MultiLex101 Too much of an echo chamber.

[@schwifty148]

I really don't know why Destiny doesn't push back on certain points, like right in the beginning where Sneako talks about how Logan did bad things too, idk why Destiny doesn't talk about how Tate isn't actually trying to change whereas Logan did, Sneakos comparison is obviously terrible yet Destiny doesn't push back :/ Edit: 1. I think it would effective if Destiny pushed back against really bad logic, that wouldn't make him a screechy sjw. 2. Logan doing worse doesn't matter, the idea is that he is trying to change whereas Tate isn't meaning he isn't even trying for a second chance, perhaps this wasn't clear in my comment. 3. What Tate did bad was his pyramid scheme along with him saying that women can't drive, his racial agitation and now recently his basic conservative trans talking points about "oh the children, they will get infected!!!" It's mostly just level 1 conservative talking points; it's bad but idk if I would have banned him but I certainly would understand if Logan Paul wouldn't want to platform him though. My main point is that Sneako's logic is trash and that Destiny should push back more. 4. Did Destiny know that he was gonna talk about Tate before coming onto the podcast? How can he not know anything about Andrew Tate and debate about him, he's actually pulling a Vaush. 5. Some of the replies are so dumb that I'm just not even gonna.

[@HomoErectus311]

This is the new Destiny

[@dwarfu9361]

Cause you can only see what s in front of you .. What destiny is doing and in my opinion is pretty successful at is appealing to the rp community by showing them the other side without being a screeching sjw that fights them on every single point. Instead he choses when to argue and moves more people away from the rp stuff.

[@MrMetaVal]

Thing is what Logan did was way worse and was caught red handed whileTate didn't really do anything "wrong" per say since most of it are opinions and allegations,. If he tried to push back on this point he would be easily debunked by the others. So he was pretty smart to add that everyone do bad things to appeal to them

[@totorosdad7965]

Omg :(( I’m crying and shitting profusely

[@rocky3850]

Yes, people deserves second chance only when they know they did wrong and are ready to change where as tate whole personality is unapologetic, he is never wrong according to him, so yes if he will not change his type of believes and content he doesn't deserve a second chance to be in platform again

[@funkthug]

Comparing Andrew Tate to Logan Paul and KSI makes no sense. Those fools were doing dumb shit when they were kids. Andrew Tate is a grown ass man.

[@mambamentality5875]

Logan was like 24. Is that a kid?

[@mambamentality5875]

@Anon X You guys are pathetic with pre-frontal cortex stuff lmao. I bet you want age of consent and drinking age to be 25 as well. B.S. unaccountability

[@Tumorcoach]

@@user-ym6pu4vn4t 22 ain’t a kid such a stupid talking point….. I don’t care if he was doing pranks and dumb shit doesn’t justify anything like wtf. This women is property bs is stupid talking point also.

[@tonymatur4694]

@Anon X bs I knew already by the age of 15 that’s I shouldn’t be mocking things that very sensitive . people always will find a excuse to to hate on one person

[@tonymatur4694]

@@user-ym6pu4vn4t haha excuses

[@LowercaseKev]

This made me realize something: I'm done explaining certain things online to people. Like I could explain the KSI TATE thing quite easily but no matter how I say it, I'm going to have to deal with some idiot or someone who hasn't researched. Honestly idk why KSI was brought up here.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

absolutely. I've started being on the position that: I care to understand where the "other side" comes from. I watch their stuff to root the causes of them feeling so strongly this or that way. I reverse the argument and argue for THEIR position in my head, to more deeply understand why they live like that. But the "other side"? They don't give a shit. They would never spend that time and mental energy understanding my position like I do theirs. It's always full offensive from everyone. So I'm done wasting my time being considerate. I'm gonna go play piano lol.

[@hargre77]

I know you don't want to explain it but could you very concisely explain the KSI tate thing as it seems your backing KSI? I just want to know why it could be that KSI is justified as I am a massive KSI fan but I don't like it.

[@mrkillman555]

@@hargre77 The difference to me is KSI said these things years ago when he was a lot younger and when society was in a different place. Tate has been saying them and continues to do so, and although some may claim he's just joking its causing a very real problem amongst todays youth.

[@hargre77]

@@mrkillman555 Yeah KSI was doing that shit when he was a just a kid though so I think he deserves a pass on that it was funny back then. However I don't agree with censorship whatever the reason best way to combat a bad opinion is to provide a better one imo

[@LowercaseKev]

@@hargre77 agreed. Now the funniest part of the KSI thing is it reminded me of how even if someone makes a joke and someone took it seriously, there is no way to ever convince said person it really was a joke. I felt like Sneako was utterly bad faith there. Hell he's made jokes himself that didn't go over well and he had to clarify it was a joke after. But I'm not going to hold it against Sneako cuz he is still young. But he of all people should know how something can be taken one way and it's not the intention.

[@Cycstorm]

I appreciate what Destiny was trying to do here but what he was saying was going way over these guy's heads.

[@GeoSmuckers]

Myron is a little older and smarter than everyone else he def caught on

[@krombopulos_michael]

Yeah, this was a shitty performance by Destiny. He was way too passive for most of it, and then when he was making points he did it in a way that seemed almost crafted not to cause any real conflict or to make the hosts have to think about themselves and their own shortcomings.

[@_Dumb_Answers]

Destiny: everyone wants to be the good guy in their own narratives other guy: yeah those rich billionaires think they are doing good in the world while doing evil. just.... amazing.

[@hui975]

to me it seemed like they were all on the same page. I think everything destiny was discussing with them went over your head

[@kegy466]

7:49 that donation completely threw me off 😂😂

[@BTCA-]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@johnos2765]

Epic troll 😂

[@shubhampawar7921]

Sneako : sidemen and Logan Paul sell porn by promoting OF girls Meaning Andrew Tate did the same by running the girl-cam business Sneako: Andrew Tate is so great, I love him. The hypocrisy of this man is outstanding 👏🏽

[@Fam0081]

When Tate does it “he is a part of the game” but when influencer’s promote it they are “bad individual that promote porn” These mfs don’t make sense 😂🤦🏽

[@shubhampawar7921]

@@greasy8394 so on sidemen tinders the girls are wearing clothes and all.

[@hamad4121]

@@shubhampawar7921 you seem to be ignoring the part where tate promoted his stuff to adult men while sidemen audience is kids lol nice try though

[@truthfulpurpose]

Audience of kids vs an adult site catered to adult men. Poor argument tbh.

[@hamad4121]

@@truthfulpurpose exactly, dude fr thought he made a solid argument

[@XenPsy]

A 'second chance' requires that you first admit you were wrong about a particular moral issue. Logan Paul did this regardless of whether the audience believes it was sincere or not. Andrew Tate, as far as I can tell, remains unapologetic about being a douchebag. Therefore Paul is not a hypocrite in this situation. All that aside, free speech ought to be paramount in spirit and not just the precise letter of the law.

[@ogolthorp]

But part of that free speech and freedom of expression is private companies being able to decide who they do and don’t want on their platforms.

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Andrew technically did nothing wrong to begin with. When people take only certain snippets out of context, from hour long videos and podcasts ofcourse its gonna look a bit mad. Then combine with the fact all the claims made against him were disapproved, and all of his exes said he was gentlemen and no ounce of abuse occurred. Being an ass online isn't illegal and shouldnt be

[@lilfr4nkie]

@@ogolthorp you’re correct, I guess my counter would be what if all big tech and media are colluding but I guess you could say make your own private business to platform. Him on

[@domerame5913]

You are not one to be granting people second chances my guy

[@XenPsy]

@@ogolthorp Corporations are not 'people.' Corporate personhood is nonsense legalese engineered to bypass the constitution.

[@theowlsarefun]

It's fine for Logan Paul to call out Andrew Tate. It's not cancellation. And we can talk about learning and growing and second chances when Andrew Tate has actually learned and grown. The time to talk about changing your views on someone isn't when they're still mired in shit LOL. And how is it an ad hominem attack to point out Tate's hypocrisy? They aren't just attacking him personally, they're comparing his rhetoric with the way he lives his life. This makes total sense. Annoying to see Steven just sit through this agreeing. and lmao to Myron calling Logan Paul's show "mindless content" and contrasting it with Tate's content. It's all mindless content, including Fresh & Fit.

[@jamessderby]

imagine having any of these dorks as mentors

[@danielkeegan6002]

Bro saying this but commented on this video lol

[@GodEnderX]

@@Threelegs94 peoples heros these days.....

[@zek9870]

@@Threelegs94 yes he is

[@jw4491]

right, imagine having destiny as a mentor

[@dexter2392]

They're not dorks they're gigachads, they probably lift more than you (talking about fresh and fit, sneako is cringe)

[@pjhaze]

What Mike said was Tate is all about the traditional male; yet he isn’t one. He made all his $ off the backs of women he manipulated (& admitted to). He’s not married. He’s not home with his nuclear family he preaches about. This is an hour and twenty minutes of coping tbh

[@kristianbasile7141]

Also what Logan did whilst being insensitive and dumb was no way near the damage done by Andrew Tate's rhetoric. So the comparison doesn't even work.

[@PoliMaster64]

Also logan stopped doing that. Andrew still hangs on to what he said.

[@laithsamamreh8581]

Yeah with Logan it was an action or behavior with Tate it was/ is a consistent dogma and message

[@isaiahj21]

can you articulate what damage was done by Tate's rhetoric? and if you could, could you also explain the difference between that damage and the damage caused by, say, the women on tiktok that recruit young girls to onlyfans (because they get a cut of their earnings if they actually sign up)

[@LaloWick]

@@isaiahj21 thank you bro

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

Can be specific as to what Tates rhetoric is.

[@deadfish45films]

I think it’s irresponsible to be calling normal conversation like these debates. You are all having a normal discussion, that’s the important thing, arguments and counter points are part of normal conversations, these should be titled discussions.

[@animeking17]

Debate is more clickbatiey

[@unyieldingmonotony4453]

@@animeking17 I agree. But I think it creates toxic mindsets when conversations are framed as debates.

[@HomoErectus311]

Where were the counter points ? A bunch of guys riding Andrew Tate for an hour+. This was an echo chamber lol.

[@animeking17]

@@HomoErectus311 why was he banned?

[@HomoErectus311]

@@animeking17 Private companies thought he either broke their terms of service or would negatively impact their platform, so they exercised their 1st amendment rights and banned him.

[@taravanova]

So other than the generic throw away advice of "work on yourself," what has f&f or tate offered to make men better people? Crypto and MLM scams? Blaming women for your problems? Seems like they are making men worse, not better.

[@themalestoic5591]

You clearly haven't done your research before claim they only give throw away advice. This probably your first time watching and here you are making assumptions before looking into what you're claiming they do.

[@taravanova]

@@themalestoic5591 My fnf exposure consists of the content D has made on them. Considering the mind numbingly dumb things I've heard them say so far, I don't think they are worth a deeper dive. However, I have seen a deep dive on Tate's hustlers university scam, and considering how the red pill community is an echo chamber parroting nearly identical talking points, I doubt fnf are offering significantly different advice. But feel free to correct me by telling me what actionable pieces of advice fnf offer that isn't the standard self help information you can find anywhere else.

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

😂😂😂😂 “work on yourself” is now generic advice. Also when has Tate blamed women for anything?

[@isaiasmmmmm2784]

@@ONYIAANTHONY watch j Aubrey’s video on Tate. He shows clips and is very well researched. Don’t get how ppl like that tate guy

[@taravanova]

@@ONYIAANTHONY Yes, it is generic. Are you not clear on the definition of the word or something?

[@ry_vs_thewrld9861]

4:15 sneako just proved how impressionable kids are 💀

[@theAlex2577]

i hate how destiny just turns into a yes man when he goes on fresh and fit, i understand trying not to make the left look like raging bluehaired sjw's but a little pushback against blatant misinformation wouldnt hurt

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

Not true whatsoever, you clearly didn't watch the full podcast. Destiny pushed back hard on a lot

[@xxxbestplayer95xxx17]

You mean leftists in the USA?, In the rest of the world they are normal (maybe not that much tho)

[@MrMetaVal]

@@veritasabsoluta4285 That's what happen with people who don't watch the full podcast and just watch a bit like ignorant. The after hour destiny pushed back a lot.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@MrMetaVal There’s no after hour here….

[@HoxtenBoyz]

maybe Destiny likes andrew tate but he doesn't say it because the majority of his viewers are leftists who hate him? have you thougfht of that? he pushes back on other things just not Andrew Tate

[@tftsheepcup]

Love how they start by saying Logan Paul shouldn’t attack tate cuz he hasn’t met him and out of context clips and then they proceed to attack Logan Pauls character without meeting him and with out of context clips. Fucking comical how people who say “I hate cancel culture” usually want to cancel everything else but get so mad about cancel culture when what they like is getting cancelled.

[@lovelynicole7100]

Yup. Contradicting. I’m surprised this destiny guy sat through it. He seems smart… why is he even there ? Lol

[@at5203]

Also, crying about "second chances" and growing as a person, while none of them even believe Tate did nothing wrong. Three braincells in total in that whole panel.

[@tftsheepcup]

@@lovelynicole7100 my best guess is he isn’t super immerse in the topic and hasn’t done as much research as he would for other debates, so he can’t push back as hard or at all.

[@FriendlyHomie]

Facts. I'm seeing Tate fans saying "cancel H3H3!" I'm like, Eithan is a pos, so is Andrew, neither should be banned but you try to ban eachother.

[@vanessadisco6643]

This is ridiculous.. every criticism they have of "the other side", directly applies to them. There are better arguments against banning people. Making yourself out to be something you're not... not the best approach. Really thought Destiny would have more thoughtful input over pandering to these guys.

[@innocent.a1816]

pandering or being atleast open minded and seeing it from a different perspective something that the "other side" dosnt know how to do and name these critisims that also applies to them

[@user-ht3sc3sz7h]

@@innocent.a1816 Idk, maybe the guy accusing Logan Paul of judging somebody on clips taken out of context and ad homs saying "that's pussy behaviour" and judging his arguments from tik tok clips taken out of context?

[@Aliyaaaa]

Kindaaaa agree. I wish destiny would try to actually go a bit more into Debate-mode. He did throw in counter points here and there, but Fresh n fit definetly criticized some things that 100% applies to them too. Then again they all kept it very respectful and wanted to work rather on common ground then going against their beliefs. So calling it ridiculous seems a bit over the top

[@3self]

Tribalism

[@user-ht3sc3sz7h]

@@Aliyaaaa That's because destiny isn't trying to make his case, but rather cultivate an audience within these groups. I increasingly think his commitment to progressive ideals is almost non existent and he's only interested in the rethorical exercise and status.

[@ModernSanyam]

Destiny really needs to push back more. I agree, attack the arguments. But he isn't doing that. He doesn't have the same fire IRL no matter what he claims

[@ayukone]

He did, he just doesn't have the the same fire at all anymore.

[@RSVikingJohn]

So far I've only watched the first 13 minutes and I feel the same. Ofcourse there is a balance between passive and aggressive, but I feel like a bit more push back would be better (and even exciting for everyone).

[@snoopyco07]

Have you not seen any of his other irl debates? He has plenty of fire irl.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@RSVikingJohn Steak yourself in because it’s like that for the vast majority of the video. Some pushback towards the end

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@RSVikingJohn Watch the second debate if you want to see destiny push back more. Destiny pushes back hardcore for almost that entire debate. It’s why fresh and fit titled this video “discussion” and the second video that night “HEATED DEBATE”. Destiny just agreed with more of the points in this video and disagreed with way more of the points in the second video.

[@joon3035]

i keep forgetting that rp means red pill and whenever they say it im like "andrew tate does roleplay???"

[@michaelschupska2047]

Bro, Sneako is so far gone with the conspiracy shit, lol.

[@youngpolar]

He’s mostly right tho

[@kulevra]

@@youngpolar lol

[@HP-tw6tl]

@@youngpolar bruh

[@BDKoala]

Sneako knows FA about anything. Just repeats what he heard from Alex Jones.

[@Raidur7215]

Alex Jones speaks mostly fact. The conclusions he comes to are often the problem.

[@youknowelgin]

Mike is 37 Andrew is 35 it seems really weird for him to point out Andrews age.

[@Kingofkings07133]

Fr 😂😂

[@ignorantpost6051]

Yes but tbf Mike doesn't preach about being an old school man

[@HomoErectus311]

Mike doesn’t think women are property.

[@zuko7655]

@@HomoErectus311 He promoting porn

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@HomoErectus311 Andrew doesn’t think women are property, he just believes he’s responsible for them, and responsibility implies some degree of ownership.

[@kimsalinas1993]

Outstanding.... this conversation went from Andrew Tate, to satanic rituals, to anime and pokemon.

[@micah459]

While I don't agree with Tate getting banned, it is weird that these guys are literally doing what they get mad at haters doing. Taking a clip and running with it without watching the full video.

[@Yuzeyobe]

Love how they always say that Taint is being taken out of context, but they never explain the context. Such a scapegoat. And if you disagree with this comment, you're taking my opinion out of context, bro.

[@SupaDupaDanga]

Taint?

[@mariomario1462]

Give an example

[@Kingofkings07133]

Give an example

[@calcober]

Give an example

[@JohnSmith-cv1pf]

Give an example

[@Padthai_Shrimp]

They not hatting the guy because of his ideology. They hatting on him because of his sphere of influence is challenging theirs.

[@sugarsore]

That is such bs.

[@cpt.kagoul]

Sneako is genuinely so inept of anything profound and truly rational.

[@calebstephan2083]

This wasn't a debate lol. It was just destiny and fresh and fit agreeing on everything 😂. People like to take sides but they agree on everything. The only thing they don't agree on is open relationships. That's literally it.

[@v3ike]

Fax. Destiny’s chat is also terrible.

[@ayukone]

Wrong, they disagree on open relationships, red pillers views on sexuality, and how "value" is decided to just list off a few. Also you must forget that he heavily disagrees on how red pillers view females.

[@Taireyn]

Nah man have you watched the last debate with them? There is definitely more they disagree on

[@Kan-ova]

They probably disagree heavily on policy positions but it’s not that kind of podcast

[@iansmith1916]

If this was Nebraska Steve, he’d get in a screaming match within the first 20 minutes and never get invited back on. He’s playing a different game now. He disagrees with most of these guy’s policy positions and worldview, but he wants to be able to keep talking to them and intelligently push back. It’s a slower game, but he thinks it’ll be more effective at changing the audience’s ideas.

[@MsHojat]

I always thought that Paul filming the suicide person wasn't actually that big of a deal. It's more-so that his demeanor was disrespectful as well _just like all his other videos._ I never liked the guy, and even still don't, but I think showing what showed is just a taboo thing that shouldn't be so strongly disliked by people, and that even with his bad behavior the reaction of people was overblown. To me it was like "well, that's just another JP video" while everyone else is freaking out as if he killed someone.

[@carljohnson5292]

Youd react differently if you know the dead person.

[@serialBLEACHexpert98]

Suicide, in most societies is a taboo, I don't know what you are talking about, combine that with the fact that most societies also have an expectation of respect for the dead and their bodies. Now we have a guy who knowingly went into a forest that is known for suicide, went to film the bodies for CONTENT, not even a documentary, and proceeded to behave in the most disrepectful way possible. If you can't understand that then.

[@negitivebike3169]

He made fun of a suicide victim and filmed it.

[@Vlacis]

How are people taking tate out of context if he "walks it like he talks it"

[@pedro15305]

Does this become a debate at some point or is it just a circlejerk like the ones destiny says he hates? Edit: I still can't see how Sneako is smart. Also, he'll never switch sides. If destiny can make him stop saying mind numblingy stupid shit and at least see that the rp is bullshit, I will probably never go against his 'method' again, cause I see that as an impossible mission.

[@kaizen1723]

My thoughts exactly! 👍🏻

[@andersondang7253]

I'm so glad I'm gay. This podcast makes it sound like having sex with women is so exhausting.

[@kamifuujin]

🤣

[@sinkusbinkus4408]

I don't understand how destiny can say the girls they've had on this podcast are dumb but then defend Sneako's intelligence when he regularly says waaaaaay dumber shit

[@Drew-wf9bg]

we all have internal thoughts that we vet before we say things. what the women say is stupid but it’s the conclusion they reach after that vetting process. sneko on the other hand doesn’t process things internally it’s all out there for the world to hear. so yes a lot of it is way dumber but it’s not his final take like most of the women the whole point is for sneko to get criticism so he can improve

[@enopeeb]

@@Drew-wf9bg You just proved that everyone who follows Sneako is a bot. A lot of mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that he is a moron.

[@HT-jj5sx]

I don't have any idea what it's like to sit next to to someone who can talk about "Sacrifices of children and summoning of Satan" with a straight face. At first I was upset Steve didn't push back on it, but what's the point? The dude is lost man, holy cow.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

Sky wizard 🧙‍♂️ still running the lives of humans in 2022

[@bunnyteeth16]

So what were the elites doing on Epstein island ? The fact that you believe that conjuring up demon spirits for your own gain isn’t true shows how lost you are. The devils best trick is making people believe he isn’t real. Sacrificing to deities have been around since the Aztecs. Again, you are seriously lost if you think the people who control the money of every central bank in the world don’t get down with low frequency demonic energies. You’re a bot. And i truly pray for your soul regardless of your beliefs. “Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws” - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

[@iwannabethekid34xc]

@@NothingElseMattersJM This comment reads like some shit I'd say when I was literally twelve, bro.

[@HomoErectus311]

@@iwannabethekid34xc Bible= fiction.

[@fabiobalassia]

@@iwannabethekid34xc He's not your bro, pal.

[@Anonymous-fx3oc]

Destiny the “great debater” just sitting there looking pale. No pushback at all from him

[@sucaadshardi9650]

I guess he's redpilled

[@note4note804]

It's so embarrassing for all of these guys to spend the first 5 minutes judging Logan Paul because "How dare he assumes what Andrew Tate is off camera. You don't know him!" and then 19:05, oh look, we're all mind readers, but obviously when we do it it's because we DO know him.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@Threelegs94 Well they were perfectly fine judging Paul calling him an sjw feminist….

[@AadetTube]

@@NothingElseMattersJM They didn’t mean he was a sjw. They mocked him for trying to act like he cares about social justice when he himself literally profited over someone who commited suicide.

[@toastiestmoth927]

did you not hear the part he says he talks with tate everyday?

[@note4note804]

Wow, you guys have really activated all of your brain cells to put that response together. No one cares if they know Tate or not. The point is if they call Paul out for pretending to know who Tate is despite not knowing him personally, who are they to assume they know who Paul is and what he thinks and believes off camera?

[@lauriewhittaker]

The stuff they’re saying about logan Paul literally doesn’t make sense, if they watch the full podcast it clearly shows logan saying how he believes Andrew Tate should be given a second chance if he changes and grows up from his old fashioned misogynistic views. Just like how logan was forgiven by everyone when he showed he had changed

[@lifestyle807]

Exactly, its crazy because they argue about clips misrepresenting Tate and the proceed to do the same thing with Logan's podcast. The lack of self awareness is ridiculous.

[@TyrianHaze]

So, basically, he will get uncancelled once he shuts up and starts talking like a leftist.

[@lauriewhittaker]

@@TyrianHaze this ain't a left right thing, he should be uncancelled when he stops saying things in the most provoking/extreme ways for clout which his young + impressionable audience take literally and follow to the extreme.

[@lauriewhittaker]

@@TyrianHaze for example "woman can't drive" Tate doesn't actually believe this he just thinks men are better than woman at driving (which is still dumb but whatever) - young white male fans take his original statement literally and go round being sexist and saying woman can't drive

[@TyrianHaze]

@@lauriewhittaker Is he telling people to do anything illegal? Is he doing anything illegal? Is he responsible for any dumb shit his viewers do?

[@kabirarya5381]

Destiny is honestly the only sane fucking person on the podcast, i find it funny that they barely bring about the topic of tates affect on young due alot of his misogynistic remarks like "women in a relationship with me are my property" or "women are bad drivers due to my personal limited experience (then I will generalize every single women like that)".They talk about how tate does self improvement content while ksi and Logan make mindless entertainment (which is true)but then ignore All the bad shit he has made.destiny made a point that he thinks that he thinks ksi and Logan are virtue signalling, which i think, at least for ksi can easily be disproved.ksi had made a sidemen reacts video in which at the start he says he agrees with tate and then after reacting to his misogynistic clips he changes his mind.This to me shows that he didn't know public opinion about tate at that time because he said he agreed to tates self improvement advice but then changed his mind through the video.this was also before he was banned.

[@kabirarya5381]

These guys say they provide self improvement to men which is the most delusional thing i have heard, destiny should pushback more against these people.i don't think destiny is like them eventhough the thing that happened with Noah samsen was really a bad look for him(mostly due to him just being in the same discord call with the man-child sneako). I had heard his debates before and thought that he was a rational person yet he doesn't offer any pushback when fresh says that they allow women to say KAM and when we say women should stay in homes it's bad.many people can already see something wrong with that statement. Many people in the left are very much against the kill all men sentiment and the few that agree are just delusional, and to add fresh uses a sentiment held by a minority of women to justify his misogynistic takes on women as a whole.that does not help in anyway. destiny should have said something about that, yet says nothing.i will say it again, destiny please pushback against these delusional men more.

[@kinart243]

So Tate making young boy misogynistic ?, What about the the view, Disney, schools, political figures and feminist teachers misandry? Why nobody talk about that ? Impartiality is rare those days I bet you have never watched full old Tate video or even the new one Why did you left the part about KSI doing the r face, or Logan disrespectful act in Japan? If the past and the future are the same in your eyes

[@kabirarya5381]

@@kinart243 wtf??i know many bad things influence kids these days, but when teachers are saying that kids are saying they love Andrew tate and then they repeat some of his same remarks, it's obvious due to who's influence they're saying that. you talk about feminists teaching misandry, i would like to correct your statement. I think you meant to say EXTREMIST feminists teaching misandry. You people take something a few extremist feminist did and then say that's what all women and feminists sentiments are.please tell me when i said past and future are the same. i know very well what ksi and Logan Paul have done in the past but at least from what i have seen they have matured more (even if they do act like kids for entertainment sometimes), ksi and Logan apologized and changed themselves,while tate doubles down on his actions no matter what.i also actively keep up with tates stream appearances whether it be on adins or anyone else's so i can hear his opinions more and my shorts feed is also filled with pro-tate shorts channels, so yes I do keep up with him.i also watched his tucker Carlson interview, which i assume you probably didn't?

[@kabirarya5381]

@@kinart243 many people talk about all the bad influences to kids these days, how do you get the sentiment that nobody talks about this?people all the time talk about how some political figures are bad influences and i personally can't say anything about schools because i know nothing about american education.Could you also please give me some evidence or something to the claim Disney is a bad influence, because i haven't heard anything bad about them considering their influence on kids.

[@danialK9]

Women are property is not a misogynistic comment especially when said in the context that Tate made them. To explain how would require a lot of typing so I would suggest seeing Lyah heilpern's vid on it. Making the claim woman are bad drivers is hardly influencing the youth. This idea already exists among many people since women could drive. If he said Asians can't drive, would you say he's responsible for making kids racist? That would be silly. Beside Tate's content regarding women is arguably less than 50% of what he talks about.

[@jimothyj2638]

Destiny, Sneako is a conservative. Sincerely, people with eyeballs

[@keodiozubu8670]

Sneaky? Conservative? Lol yeah no. He doesn’t think men should be tradtional

[@ryohio4706]

I don't think Sneako knows what he is, lol. He just kinda mashes together random points from whatever he likes.

[@giovalladares1022]

Red pill does not = conservative

[@fakechuck7659]

Not a conservative. Just a right-wing guy who has done very little reflection on real political ideas.

[@Lizard1582]

Hes selectively conservative, which is the worse I think.

[@user-mk4kj4ti2b]

In the 90’s this would have been a 3 minute SNL skit about 4 cavemen discovering ethics. Now it’s a 90 minute stream.

[@tiraud105]

As a man in a traditional marriage with children. I honestly don't have difficulty controlling the content my children watch. Their accounts are connected to my devices all it requires is me to switch and I can see exactly what's going on and it gives me things to talk and engage with them on.

[@kristianbasile7141]

Lmao, every parent believes this and is dead wrong.

[@blackbox2849]

as a man in a traditional marriage with children i could care less what my kids watch. i was 9 with my friends watching 2 girls one cup, homeless people getting murdered with screw drivers and worse. i turned out better then average. i think holding your kids back just shortens there views. holds them back from feeling different emotions they would have never experienced then thinking about it and formulating in there head how that would feel. inherently making them more intelligent. controlling what your kids views will only hold him back, out of the loop with the cooler kids. less interesting things to bring up making friends. less to think about. L unless you have little girls lmao. idk about that cant relate. im neither a girl or have girls lol

[@kristianbasile7141]

@@blackbox2849 Yeah, you cannot control what your kids watch. All you can do is try to give them a set of good values to live by and teach them critical thinking so that they don't automatically believe whatever they hear. Good values + critical thinking will allow them to make less dumb mistakes and learn more quickly from the mistakes they do make.

[@girth_goblin]

Not everyone is as good a parent as you

[@Rayver112]

@@blackbox2849 Hope you also give them the freedom to learn the difference between there and their

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

"good times create weak men", "Weak men create hard times"... It's not 100% accurate but close enough in many areas. There is strength in opening up. It's ok to have a weakness, as long as you don't sit in it like a pig in slop. Trying to improve is key factor in building mental/ physical strength to overcome.

[@darali568]

I don't get it why isn't destiny pushing back harder against these idiots? Wasn't he known for that being against bad idea's and AGGRESSIVELY pushing back against bad ideas. I mean it was that exact attitude that caused all the bridge burnings in the past few years. Aren't these guys much worse than lefties? Has destiny changed his mind on how to approach disaggrements being more mature about disagreements is ok but then he should atleast admit he was wrong in the past. That Hassan thing really broke his brain . It's my fault though he literally has a girls name what more could I have expected.

[@chim8939]

???

[@YeTism]

destiny is becoming redpilled

[@taylor_o]

L

[@taylor_o]

@@YeTism based

[@maxis2778]

Wait until after hours.

[@secondengineer9814]

It's funny hearing Myron brag about the diversity of opinion the show gets from women, then he says they have to screen to find girls who won't "freak out" when he says guys should be able to cheat.

[@mao5170]

By freak out, they meant the rachet types. The ones that would hit at you, throw drinks at you, throw tantrums, and would just mess around to hurt the quality of the show. Ironically it's always the darker ones that does this. Edit 1: Typo fix.

[@badassproductions4734]

You can't have a discussion with someone who freaks out over things they disagree with

[@noahwinslow3252]

Fit - I talk to Tate every day. Unbiased af

[@Gchildwarrior]

It was actually Fit, but the message is still right. Around the 10:30 mark

[@noahwinslow3252]

@@Gchildwarrior appreciate the correction, edited

[@Gchildwarrior]

@@noahwinslow3252 no problem, my dude

[@HP-sq2fp]

These guys are soooo incredibly biased about everything but try to pretend like everyone else is instead

[@noahwinslow3252]

@@MasculineIdeal fair point. Maybe he shouldn't be so biased then

[@DirtyRedMuzik]

I very much love watching people with completely different beliefs, discuss and debate topics. Thank you, Destiny!

[@HomoErectus311]

This was an echo chamber lol.

[@VileHusk]

@@HomoErectus311 sometimes people just agree on the same topic, and there were some moments of disagreement, for example; sneako and destiny disagreed on the joe Biden topic.

[@DirtyRedMuzik]

@@HomoErectus311 Were you paying attention, my friend?

[@sharinettegonzalez23]

This “debate” was really just an Andrew Tate circle jerk, and yes, that includes Destiny. I’ve notice that destiny pushes back way more when debating leftist creators. I’m fine with pushing back against the left but be consistent and push the same way towards the right.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Yep sad

[@yeyeye7804]

kinda agree, destiny is def playing the long game for the right tho

[@yeyeye7804]

and he doin good

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@yeyeye7804 he’s going the Tim Pool route

[@vmd06e]

I agree with Destiny that each person has their own subjective reality, and everyone believes they have good intent based on their life and socio-cultural environment. However, the impact is separate from intent, and the impact, is also subjective relative to who is receiving it. The lack of compassion, curiosity, intersubjectivity and individualism, makes it hard to shift from blaming the person to being aware of what systemic factors produced those persons thoughts or actions. Thich Nhat Hanh does a great just of reflecting on this in his writings on interbeing in “peace is every step” and poem “call me by my real name.”

[@lorien6205]

It's crazy how ignorant these guys are when it comes to understanding the other side. Destiny is trying to simply explain that everybody is doing what they think is best most people aren't evil, and they go "yeah people have good intent but don't know what is really for the best." Like dude, every _bot_ who disagrees with you is saying the exact same thing about your side. You're kind of still missing the point.

[@alexl8445]

This whole "side" thing is ridiculous. Its true what Destiny said and Fresh and Fit agreed with him. They agreed that "people think they're doing what's good but they don't know is actually bad". I don't know if everyone who disagrees with them is saying the red pill thinks it's doing good. It's not a common thing from what I've seen (edited). I've seen it from Destiny and Aba and Preach, but the majority probably (edited) do not think this. It's mostly just name calling (misogynist) and how evil they are.

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

This argument is really funny because your saying the other side have the exact same argument. But the other side isn’t getting banned for the “exact same thing” .When you cut off a man’s tongue you are not saying he is a liar, your saying that your afraid of what they are saying

[@TheJoshProject]

and Sneako's point about the pornstars can be said for Fresh n Fit too, most of the time the girls they bring on have onlyfans and they put their links in the bio, is that not the same thing or at list similar?

[@UziNewReleases]

They put their instagrams in the bio as an exchange of service for coming on the podcast but i don't think that compares to having literal pornstars do suggestive acts for a target audience of 16 year olds

[@c.karnstein3299]

Fresh n Fit are also always parroting that to be a man is to be surrounded by "hot girls" and yet women who make their own decisions about their sexuality are "gross" and "low value". They are also selective with what women they invite on, making sure they make no attempts to contest any point they make.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

Nowadays, we have a guy named Destiny which is a girl's name. MJ chad, named after a famous homosexual. And Sneako, named after Nike, the goddess of victory. the plight of men is real but we also have come a long way. during WW1 when PTSD was not a thing yet, the term shell-shocked came into the lexicon. They were initially denounced as weak and cowardly men, the veterans who suffered from this condition. Shown a simple military hat that reminded them of their service, they uncontrollably shook and shake terribly. During that time, warfare involved outdated concepts of "honor and character", and sent their young men into human wave attacks against a meat grinder. Barbed wire, machine guns, and artillery cared little for honor and character. If you were a male and stayed at the homeland, you were given a White Feather, a symbol of cowardice.

[@jonboner1731]

True, but it's interesting to notice that ptsd on that level of display and noticeability really started with ww1. The use of loud explosive weaponry, like machine guns and smgs, caused havoc in the minds of the soldiers. The speed and sounds of all of that would cause your body to vibrate. Memories are just records of the past, so it'll trigger muscle memory. This definitely became more understood as people fought with guns and could relate to a small extent. This is why some theorize that sword and knife battles are the best way for war to occur.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

@@jonboner1731 the moment the first humans started farming, the other tribes fell in suit or died out. the demographic pressure is too high. the moment an advantage occurs, people adopt it. whether its vaccination, paper money, or imperialism, the societal advantage steam rolls other civilzations. FUN FACT. the guy who killed millions of people also saved billions. the guy who invented nitrogen manufacturing, nitrogen used in gun powder and artillery shell

[@JamesCourse66]

I agree with Logan Paul. Andrew Tate is a problem that needed to be addressed. His most ridiculous statements can actually be adopted by impressionable idiots. No, women are not the property of their partners. These type of people are DIVIDING the sexes, not bringing people together by understanding and respect. And Destiny’s time on Fresh and Fit is frankly a bit disappointing. He is mucccch more strict on all the content creators he debates online but he is pretty passive on this podcast.

[@lewissawyer1077]

Not really , rp and Tate is a buildup of woman treating men like shit in society, it's so strong that Tate has close to a million on rumble

[@krishiebobbybill3209]

Andrew Tate is literally just saying traditional conservative shit that's literally in every single religion. Banning Tate isn't even going to make a dent into these ideas you have no idea what you're talking about bro 🤣 we need to equip people to combat these ideas. Deplatforming will not make a dent. That's like the equivalent of deplatforming some religious person because you think their ideas are dangerous... While 95% of the population are religious.

[@PuddingXXL]

@@krishiebobbybill3209 I think that's the point of the OG comment isn't it? He never said we should ban Tate. It was just expressed sympathy for why he believes Tate is actually having a problematic influence on people. His comment is not about banning Tate but about destiny failing at providing people with tools to combat these ideas. It's disappointment about Destiny's performance on this podcast which I quite frankly share.

[@simonwinn8757]

If you really think about it, what Tate actually says and promotes is the feminist version what a man is.

[@krishiebobbybill3209]

@@PuddingXXL fair enough

[@Yellloow]

Idk it’s weird to me. Sneako saying that Logan Paul and KSI were canceled and they were But they both apologized for the things they did and they’re not even close to the same people that they were years ago. Andrew still engages in the bad behavior that he preaches that’s the difference between them. And I’d argue that him bringing up the bad things that they apologized for years ago and reminding everyone of what they did he’s kind of engaging in cancel culture instead of just addressing what he said in the clips etc. he’s basically doing the same bot things that he’s accusing KSI and Logan of doing. Or maybe I just don’t understand. My stupid female brain doesn’t get it I guess.

[@tonyoso1391]

Women push kill all men and are not banned why ban Tate?

[@jeromego2672]

Andrew has definitely toned down the more comically brazen misogynistic rhetoric. After rebuilding an orphanage he started a foundation with ongoing (until death) receipts to support male and female charities. And he’s packaging his content more towards issues around free speech, decentralization tech, wealth/personal and organizational development with his flair of polarizing masculinity of course. But you can definitely tell he’s more measured around specific points but from the outside I suppose it appears like his normal self lol

[@jeromego2672]

He apparently has an unraveling 3 stage plan o__O. He was just banned so I guess we have to wait and see but from a utilitarian sense, net positive on some legibly defined metrics I guess lol

[@fatbomb2338]

People will try to make sense of the ban because they are not for Tate, and if you counter it with Paul or JJs past people are gonna make up shit to downplay what they did, the way I see it, no one deserves to be banned, let alone the way Tate was. He probably be makin' a bag of the socials through some sort of loop hole (gaming the system) and pissed off the wrong people, the things he say are pretty normal to me, I can see him being suspended due to complaints and stuff, but this type full scale ban is some whack shit. Btw Tate content is lit, so feel free to not take me seriously, because I'm clearly biased af.

[@Yellloow]

@@fatbomb2338 nah. I'm not for the ban. I still think he's a terrible person and actions have consequences. He should have treaded lightly. He's famous his words weigh heavier than regular degular people like us. He has a higher responsibility and I'm very sad that destiny never even brought this up. Andrew was the one going around telling people that he beats women and has them tattoo his name on their vaginas and shit. Or him saying that women are property. "He's the most famous person on the internet right now" so he should have addressed the stuff that he said he doesn't agree with much much sooner.

[@vger9186]

This was like a chess player sitting down at a checkers tournament.

[@TheAnimaAnimal]

The lack of pushback from Destiny, just letting them roll with it all and then comment with 'ah, but we need to think about this!'. It's quite unsettling. I get the strategy (hopefully it is) but it just seems so freaking sad to see these guys talk shit about women and Destiny just sitts there.

[@magi9146]

Are you going to cry about it?

[@TheAnimaAnimal]

@@magi9146 No? It's just sad that a guy who obviously and has spoken out against the things we hear on the podcast just shuts up and doesn't speak out

[@boogie8586]

Pick your battles man

[@magi9146]

@@TheAnimaAnimal in the past few days he has been answering people like you maybe you should check them out. If you don't like his ways then just shut up honestly.

[@shadowzeal]

@@magi9146 that’s a dumb take. Like if that’s your thought process why even comment it to this? Just stfu

[@sle28]

Myron: "Social media is making ppl stupider!!" Yes, Myron, and you, Fresh & Sneako are contributing to that as well. Congratulations, you played yourself.

[@GeoSmuckers]

you just think they’re misogynistic, Fresh and Sneako say crazy things but Myron is actually very smart if you actually tried to watch a stream instead of sound bites

[@sle28]

@@GeoSmuckers You can be misogynistic and still be smart. So whether or not they're misogynistic is irrelevant to what I said. Myron just parrots the same talking points, pseudoscience and classic frat boy arguments over and over. I watched F&F since they had 200k subs. I've seen them in interviews w/others. Myron is 30 yrs + and hasn't displayed an ounce of maturity or growth. If he was Sneako's age, I'd say yeah, this is a smart dude. At his age? He's intellectually stunted.

[@GeoSmuckers]

@@sle28 lol you saying that he has “classic frat boy arguments” just shows you don’t pay attention to what’s being told and the real message stop trying to look for something to disagree with and actually listen to the message

[@sTEALtooth]

The best part about Sneako pushing back on Logan Paul's clip saying Andrew Tate is not a good person...is that Sneako doesn't explain why AT IS a good person, he just points out all the ways LP sucks too. Well, I agree: both of them are garbage :D

[@moonknight4053]

Daz games did a vid on andrew tate lol

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

Logan Paul’s podcast isn’t an echo chamber like F&F lol.

[@rocky3850]

But the difference between Logan and Andrew is Logan acknowledges he did wrong said sorry, and tahts why he deserved second chance same with ksi, i was also different when i was 13-17, so i believe people should move on what they did in the past, But Andrew tate never said sorry for his mysogynistic views , sexist views, never acknowledges he said wrong and still saying the same thing on another platform, If someone say sorry forgive them they deserve a second chance but if someone doesn't even acknowledge they did something wrong they don't deserve second chance and deserved to be deplatformed

[@HP-sq2fp]

In sneako’s world, tate is a good person because he has a lot of money and bitches 😂

[@TyrianHaze]

What has Andrew Tate done that comes anywhere close to exploiting someone that committed suicide?

[@googley98]

This one was pretty dull, they barley disagreed.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

That’s Destiny nowadays

[@RecaJ333]

What happened to growing? That man is 37! Ain’t no more growing baby 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Not that I agree with him but there’s plenty of growing you thinking you stop growing just cause you’re almost 40? That’s dumb af

[@RecaJ333]

@@OMAR-vk9pi nope not at all. You can grow and evolve until you die, you just have to be willing to transform yourself. Most people aren't. My response was very much situational.

[@ebritton7821]

I don't like Logan Paul but he's not a hypocrite for calling out tates hate, when the suicide thing happened he apologized owned up to doing something wrong and asked for forgiveness. Andrew tate still is standing by what he's saying unapologetically

[@brendangibson8200]

Best part is definitely when Sneako thought that 2018 was earlier than 2014

[@andrewthetruth]

The entire framing in the first 20 minutes is an attempt to smuggle "red pill" as good and "liberal" as evil. So noble of Destiny to participate through agreement with sub-points under that context. 🙄

[@maxis2778]

U watch after hours?

[@Siegeclan34]

Modern liberals are evil. Classical liberals are not.

[@MrFurmos]

"What about growing?" Tate is 40 years old :D Where is he growing?

[@user-mr1ev9ty8t]

hair follicles

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Nigga thinks you stop growing at 40 😂😂

[@MrFurmos]

@@0doublezero0 I cant overexaggerate for comedic purposes?

[@harstar12345]

These guys are such victims making millions off the content they're not allowed to make.

[@cokethesodacan6132]

This.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

This wasn't even a debate wth? No pushback from Destiny at all!

[@davidson6738]

@AK Milli “the truth” lmao bullshit

[@sathrielsatanson666]

So Andrew Tate is complaining about beta male SIMPs but then he makes money by catering to them? Cool story 😆

[@killua3389]

people in HU Aaftyakly make money. it’s just a yt with a community for 50$. that’s nothing to many people so idk why you think we still don’t and to work 6 hrs daily in the university

[@Goulash45]

@@killua3389 Are you currently giving money to Andrew Tate? Lol

[@truthfulpurpose]

Taking advantage of simps is not catering lol. I’m sure he sat back and laughed at these dudes lol.

[@caesarspizza5764]

@@truthfulpurpose but isn’t that perpetuating the problem of creating weak men?

[@orionfell]

@@killua3389 a yt community where you all give andrew 50 dollars every month lol. im sure youll get rich of reposting his clips though bro

[@Chill_Tanuki]

Is it just me or is destiny actively not pushing back on the dumb shit they say

[@dirtyicontarot]

He’s not. You’re correct. Idk wtf is going on. Maybe he feels it’s because he’s on their platform and they’ll all verbally gang up on him. But i hated noticing that too

[@darali568]

They invited him because he has a girls name

[@mikemills326]

It’s because he wants to be invited back

[@GBGB000]

Yeah, he went full Dave Rubin. He's there for the clout.

[@Chill_Tanuki]

@@darali568 truueee

[@RoyGBiv-lc8tv]

Dang this was insufferable I was waiting for it to get better and it hasn’t yet… just a bunch of dog piling on others who they criticize for doing the exact same thing.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@kaytee7607 They kick women off (cancel) them for disagreeing with them.

[@weneedtofixourselves7250]

“Why are people mentally weak now?” It’s super simple, the conditions of our reality allow for it. Necessity is the mother of invention. Nothing is necessary in our society. You can literally be a bed blob and survive…and get quasi social interaction on the internet.

[@sandevastated1]

Imagine getting the ending of Attack on Titan spoiled to you on a FnF podcast lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

[@unknownunknown7984]

32:35 Myron: Complains about no accountability and using people as scapegoats. 33:00 Sneako: Calls out Myron for simpliyfing the issue. Myron: Stutters and blames women for simplifying the issue. Bro this shit is unreal ☠

[@killerofbats1705]

They are so hypocritical on a lot of thing they say its unbelievable.

[@unclebobboomergames]

41:20 Hard cope. Tate made his money pretending to be a woman in chat and making dudes nuut. Rationalize it as much you.

[@deadams8905]

It's so funny thatl he believes he's a hard working traditional man but he made the majority of his money leeching off of women.

[@unclebobboomergames]

@@deadams8905 of course. Its just the specific way he did it...it was sus. Well call it that at very least

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@deadams8905 How was he leeching? Had at one point more than 75 women working for him because he was probably offering a good service to them.

[@deadams8905]

@@unclebobboomergames very sus.

[@deadams8905]

@@carlemthe3rd401 he took eighty percent of his multiple girlfriend's earnings because they are "his."

[@genesisjordan2440]

Sneako: my asian side was angry at the suicide forest incident Also Sneako: *is besties with a white supremacist* Ooookay buddy

[@TyrianHaze]

White supremacist hate Asians less than black supremacists. It ain't white supremacists running around beating the shit out of elderly Asians.

[@Goulash45]

Are you being hyperbolic or is his bestie actually a WS?

[@PhillyPhilly1]

@@Goulash45 she's talking about Nick Fuentes. God forbid someone have multifaceted preferences of their own rather than follow everything the liberal left says like a NPC bot 🤖

[@genesisjordan2440]

@@PhillyPhilly1 I love how in your comment admitted that Nick is a white supremacist. I didnt specify who but you knew exactly who I was talking about because you know his views.

[@genesisjordan2440]

@@Goulash45 he is friends with a man who believes black people are less intelligent than white people based in their skin color. Thats just one of his many racist views. If you watch some of destiny’s videos he is very confident in his racism.

[@bebopsynthguy6629]

I miss the real political debates. I understand this is a good way for Destiny to reach more people but stuff like fresh and fit and Sneako is just KZbin trash. It’s like watching a high quality show you loved to watch turn into a reality TV cash grab. I understand it’s better money but I just find it cheap. I’d honestly take hanging with Fuentes over this stuff. I recognize this is my opinion. I just hope that Destiny eventually sees that these people are just as slimy and dishonest as the “leftist grifters” he debated a few years ago. He also shouldn’t be surprised that people in his community still give time to Vaush when despite being less honest and less detail oriented he still covers important political things and stays away from associating the man o sphere trash to this degree.

[@3self]

He can, and has done both. Relax

[@bebopsynthguy6629]

I know he can. That’s why I’ve watched him for a while. I am relaxed lol. Just saying this content is kinda trashy and a step down from what he was doing even a year ago. Hope it changes. If not ehh oh well no harm no foul. This shit is just boring to me. But clearly in an internet environment where Andrew Tate seems interesting I’m not the target audience. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Marcus-ge5lw]

Clown

[@bebopsynthguy6629]

Good point 👏

[@magicdragon9621]

The guy to Destiny's right is just as dumb as the girls they bring on the aftershow (excluding Melina and Erudite). He just gets mad and restates himself if he doesn't understand something lol

[@matthewscully795]

Melina isn't smart buddy lol.

[@lampad4549]

@@Threelegs94 what does sounded dumb mean?

[@lampad4549]

@@matthewscully795 when was she dumb?

[@magicdragon9621]

@@matthewscully795 You couldn't sense her trolling during it?

[@matthewscully795]

​@@magicdragon9621 She's not smart, trolling is no indication of intelligence. Zoomers are something else..