Andrew Tate Cancellation Debate w/ Sneako And Fresh N Fit ft. MJGetRight

[@destiny]

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[@Casper-Ghost]

Destiny, thanks for calling out the importance of adversity for developing strength as a person. I teach people to regain independence and learn to travel around without help after they lose their vision, (its called Orientation and Mobility) and I always tell students that stress and adversity are neurologically necessary to learning a skill particularly when its one that you plan to trust your life with. The brain can't undergo plasticity (physical change and development of the brain) without undergoing stress so adversity is an opportunity to grow and develop and the harder and more stressful it is the more change that is possible; the trick is to make sure you get strength from it instead of weakness. I always tell people that if I send them on a route and they don't experience difficulty they need to overcome and think through then I failed as a teacher in choosing the assignment or route

[@The_Daliban]

New Videos don’t show up in my notifications

[@ThJakester897]

Fresh says words really fast, but he pauses so much when he talks that it averages out to a normal rate of speech.

[@Botatochicken]

I hate the way he talks it’s so obnoxious. And it’s not his accent or anything it’s just the way he communicates it’s so annoying.

[@ILoveBluePeople]

@@Botatochicken yes, and I'd assume it'd be hard to debate him just on that fact...

[@jasonborne5359]

Lol i really hate listening to him

[@ShinigamiXL_]

@@Botatochicken mans doing his best and even hired a speech therapist

[@mambamentality5875]

@@Botatochicken he has a speech impediment and he's working on it.

[@Mrbigdaddymanamale]

Sneako is speed running becoming Alex Jones.

[@christophewells3918]

Literally, lol.

[@mclazerz8931]

Honestly, it's impressive

[@kaizen1723]

Only hope is he grows up before he falls off the edge

[@badassproductions4734]

😂😂😂

[@spikedmo]

He’s not nearly funny enough to be Alex Jones

[@d8scorelab869]

Sneako really has mush for brains. It would really be enjoyable to see Myron and Destiny chatting together without all the sloppy goons chiming in.

[@krombopulos_michael]

The shit he says is so massively dumb that nobody even seems to be paying attention to him. He's going deeper and deeper on made up conspiracies and nobody is really even acknowledging his weird comments about billionaires summoning Satan.

[@lemonheadkw2493]

@Chris Clark Chris Clark but so much… less. I think back to these two quotes. Sneako: a real man does whatever he wants, whenever he wants. He gets what he wants. Andrew tate: how I feel in the morning doesn’t change what I do that day. I do what I need to do.

[@LivingAdhd]

Somebody hates parties

[@bumblebeme]

Every single thing these guys shit talk about someone else can be thrown back at them and it would be true.

[@cole7181]

this sounds super bad bro🤣🤣

[@crazedking]

I am amazed at Destiny's ability to avoid brain rot by listening to these takes

[@LA-xc4tc]

I get physical headaches listening to them after 5 minutes.

[@mjuklo5]

Honestly! I find it so frustrating when he doesn’t give an counter argument. Of course I understand he cannot do it throughout the podcast but still..

[@billymurray1687]

Truth stings a little huh?

[@stoplyingabout]

@@billymurray1687 What truth? "dA mAtRiX cOmiNg tO gEt yOuuuu!!!"

[@theredgoblin562]

​@@LA-xc4tcyou dgg kids actually live in bubbles of 0 awareness

[@B_B-420]

Character attacks are completely valid against Tate, who presents himself as a certain character. He claims to be a "traditional alpha male", as mentioned by Paul. Except his entire life is the opposite of a "traditional alpha male". He's not married, no kids, he is the exact opposite of everything he claims to be. When he is claiming to have a certain type of character, and does not live up to that expectation... Calling him out on that is completely reasonable, even if it's a "character attack", because the entire reason he became popular is by lying about his character.

[@rheeferr]

How you know he has no kids?

[@Evan-qb6vr]

@@rheeferr tate has said he doesn’t have kids. I guess he could be lying but that’s what he’s said

[@B_B-420]

@@rheeferr He has kids? What are their names, and the name of their mother?

[@kingjaydex7464]

He believes in traditional gender roles.. he doesn’t market himself as a traditional male

[@tonyoso1391]

Does not warrant a ban. Keep moving the goal post.

[@ClashOfGamesV1]

I really respect destiny for never putting himself in an echo chamber I don’t agree with all his views but I really respect him as a person

[@EmeraldaKasim]

Same. It's very admirable. a dude like this who articulates himself as well as he does, a diamond in the rough

[@nothingmuch4718]

But not a diamond in league...

[@hui975]

did you watch it? I don't see any eco chamber

[@josephpa05]

Same. It's rare to find truthful people these days

[@unconventionalguitarist9129]

I’m diamond 2

[@matsab7930]

50:40 - sneako, a 23 year old skinny man who's done nothing remotely challenging with his life proceeds to question why other people are so mentally weak. Like dude, you make your money talking on the internet, how can you possibly comment on what real people are doing with their lives? None of these men are even particularly masculine, none of them do traditionally masculine work; they're nothing but entertainers, and the fact that they seem oblivious to just how little their behaviours align with their ideology is just insane to me.

[@juancsmix]

so true. they produce norhing, they preach nonsense, yet they think they know the secret

[@mathnico1]

You clearly haven’t done any research on sneako. Sad. You are the problem with the world

[@amandamarie69]

Definitely agree, aside from the fact that it does take a lot of mental fortitude to put yourself out there on the internet imo

[@tkposts0_]

they are all millionaires, plus have you seen sneakos physique now?

[@MenchieExtrakt]

The show host says “Tate makes free content, you dont have to buy hustler’s university”. We all know people like Tate will say “if you’re not willing to put in $50 to invest in yourself, do you even want to be rich?”

[@jackdaw6359]

it's a typical pyramid scheme. That's the worst part of it all.

[@kinart243]

Do you know why rich people club have expensive entry fees ? Or why open source software are always neglected even if those maybe as good as paid one ?

[@Kitsibalogh]

You know that he only would say that to advertise HU. Not seriously.

[@ryanli5803]

@@kinart243 Yeah, people value things they paid for more than things that are free.

[@kinart243]

@@ryanli5803 at least you my friend understand, free content are great but it will never be the same as paid one

[@tuisc00dk19]

they seem to forget that Logan and KSI actually changed when they where called out for their bullshit. Tate has been very clear in his conversations/debates that he doesn't care about evidence and will not chance the way he behaves.

[@JayLEwing]

No, Andrew Tate isn’t saying he’s made mistakes, he still represents all of his current statements. KSI & Logan we’re both much younger, and have dramatically changed, so yes I believe their redemption arc, if or when Andrew Tate changes his rhetoric, opinions of him should also change. It’s ironic how they say he shouldn’t be judged on his speech, then proceed to judge others on theirs.

[@lauriewhittaker]

Fr logan even said that he would give Andrew a second chance if he was willing to change. Their whole argument of logan being a hypocrite is flawed.

[@at5203]

​@Mrwompwomp Iam Yes, if someone says "I still think I'm right and I'm going to keep doing the shit that got me in trouble", of course they don't get a second chance bro, wtf are you even saying.

[@at5203]

@Mrwompwomp Iam If you are against cancelling just say that dude, you are here complaining about why aren't people instantly forgiving a guy that has doubled down on the shit that got him in trouble.

[@Theliblubshow]

@Mrwompwomp Iam Tate is also way older and not in his 20s while doing all this.

[@niclastname]

I'm not at all a fan of the Paul brothers so I'm not defending them, but they're being pretty inconsistent and a bit hypocritical throughout this discussion this time. -Logan is bad for flipping his opinion of Tate so easy... meanwhile they're completely flipping on Logan solely over his opinion of Tate -He's gonna see that the left will attack on him over nothing.... while they're washing their hands of him over one thing he said about one topic -"I was a fan of Logan until this Tate thing".... but "Logan just makes shit content where all they do is joke and talk about nothing" -"it's bad that they sell porn".... but "It's totally legit Top G alpha-grindset when Tate and Adam22 do it" -"It's bad that the one guy is with a pornstar".... "but again, it's totally cool and legit that Tate ran a porn business, literally creating the thing we say is bad for society in the first place" "...also it's totes okay that Adam22 is with a pornstar (and _is,_ himself, a porstar)... because we like him" Sneako also conveniently ignoring that Adam's dad was literally pardoned for voter fraud by Bill goddamn Clinton his hilarious lmao. A few times it seemed like they realized that they were being inconsistent. They'd randomly catch themselves attempt to hand wave it away the hypocrisy out of nowhere, as if to preempt someone pointing it out. They didn't actually distinguishing between the two.

[@dingdong124578123456]

Great take. Destiny’s the real Top G 😂 I think if Destiny continues to be a part of this, he will win the community over with his amazingly objective views. But overall, I do enjoy being on this side of the commentary.

[@DoubleO88]

This is actually a decent take rather than all the other "Tate doesn't want to change tho" comments.

[@niclastname]

@@DoubleO88 That is a fair argument as well though, but that's definitely oversimplified. There's more to it than that, so I didn't want to write a bunch out to explain, but they _are_ also ignoring a lot of extra details and factors to try to equivocate "Logan did a bad thing in the past" to then shoehorn that into "therefore it's the same as Tate". They're not really comparable situations, even though I agree that Logan's was bad. Just the fact that Logan's was a controversial event, whereas Tate's is/was an ongoing and continuous and consistent "issue" is a significant factor if you're going to compare the two. Just to clarify, I'm not for banning either of them. I'm just sharing some thoughts about inconsistencies popping up that were bothering me while listening through this discussion.

[@Fabian_zerpa]

U missed the point. Mile maljak was attacking the fact that he had a webcam business but the defending argument was that he’s a hypocrite for saying that about tate when he promotes porn as well

[@niclastname]

​@@Fabian_zerpa His criticism of Tate wasn't that porn and camgirls are bad though. It was that it's hypocritical for Tate to do because it goes against what he espouses (he was listing several things Tate is built on that go against his "traditionalist message"). So if they were attacking him for hypocrisy, that doesn't really follow since he wasn't attacking the camgirl thing as wrong in itself.

[@christianfox7431]

When that guy in the first clip they played said "Andrew tate doesn't have a family." He was just talking about how he(tate) preaches that men should start families. So he clearly meant that he doesn't have a wife, not that "he doesn't have a mom". It's so enlightening when people are so disingenuous that it shows you who they really are. What's sneako's top tier evidence that tate is a "good guy"? He has lots of money and gets mad bitches?

[@hyphed4196]

But how does logan know that? barely anyone fucking knew his brother had a kid, and he's a clone of andrew.

[@robbiedaw3415]

Exactly, this podcast is so dumb

[@Weioweioweio]

We didn´t know his brother "Tristan" had a daughter until two weeks ago. So we never know. And Andrew himself said, I won´t make my family public.

[@nothde9865]

How do you prove if you are a good guy lmao? Donating to charities? Greeting and treating people well?

[@bearimo2867]

@@nothde9865 you don't advocate for violence against women. That's a good starting point.

[@severedbeliefs]

Man, I feel like Destiny lets them run with so much garbage. I had to tap out half way through, hopefully he pushed back more during the second half, but this is just garbage to listen to.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

The old destiny is gone.

[@at5203]

He is just pandering now, desperatly trying to look cool to this right wing audience. One thing is to pick your battles, another thing entirely is whatever this was.

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@at5203 If he was trying to look cool he wouldn’t have mentioned his open relationship. Maybe they just agreed on most of the topics.

[@at5203]

@@carlemthe3rd401 His open relationship is public knowledge, so not sure how he not hiding it proves anything.

[@Muhluri]

Not much fighting back here

[@venegas713]

This is Destiny going through the adoption process.

[@reiggier9211]

Destiny and melina are currently legally disputing the parental rights fresh and fit have over sneako. I've watched latest hearings and I'm glad to say it looks like destiny is gaining some ground!

[@sathariel3231]

@@reiggier9211 LMAO

[@HomoErectus311]

Is it just me or does Destiny rarely pushback these days ?

[@FunNHonesty]

@@HomoErectus311 experience changes people

[@klip8726]

@@HomoErectus311 destiny hasn't pushed back much in any of these fresh and fit debates he just adds on to their points nowadays

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

As a 2 tour Iraqi Vet. Joined 03. IDC if ppl boo, if ppl burn flags. Some solider get in in their feelings about it but it's one of the rights we joined to protect. I will enjoy my free meals, and my VA benefits and live the best citizen life I can.

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

@@coreyander286 it's all in compassing, and it was mainly for the manoshere bros he is talking too. Vets want healthcare. We give 2 shits about a hand shake, free grand slam and a "thank you for your service". Take care of the damaged brothers and sisters. Stop making more.

[@HomoErectus311]

@@coreyander286 It’s about legit free speech though. Not private company censorship.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

when soldiers come back does the US help them get jobs that they like? for example if you left and did some communications/radio (etc) or something related position in the army, would they help you get civilian job like that when you come back?

[@static_kitten]

@@thatsreallyamoon Met a bunch of vets working at amazon who all did stuff like IT in the military, something you would imagine being highly marketable... they still ended up at amazon lmfao

[@Siegeclan34]

@@static_kitten The only jobs that a Vet's occupation while in the military would translate over to the Civilian world would be government jobs.

[@kina8625]

took me 20 minutes to realise RP was redpill and not roleplay

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

LMAOOO with that pfp I’m not surprised

[@deep_and_profound_topics]

@@coreyander286 wow

[@lunkee6972]

@@coreyander286 so true.

[@cultreader9751]

Pfp checks out

[@gavingibson8965]

thought someone would make fun of it, i made the same mistake.

[@schwifty148]

I lose brain cells almost every time Sneako opens his mouth.

[@biggiesmalls3096]

I still dont know if the guys grifting or not, his old videos were really self aware how can you mature backwards?

[@rafaelgarcia5797]

@@biggiesmalls3096 the power of mass reassurance

[@davidcarty7584]

Relax why you fools keep hating on my boy sneako you don't need to agree with him but put some respect on his name

[@wreckfish3198]

@@davidcarty7584 this is the most bot comment I’ve ever read LOL

[@davidcarty7584]

@@wreckfish3198 amazing how a bot calling me a bot 🤯

[@0Nafod0]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:29 🧠 *Adversity's impact: Too much or too little adversity can harm individuals. Misconceptions about adversity being inherently bad can be destructive.* 01:10 🎙️ *Debate on Andrew Tate's character: Dispute over Andrew Tate's lifestyle contradictions compared to his advocated traditionalist beliefs in masculinity.* 02:40 🤔 *Challenging character attacks: Advocating for addressing ideas rather than launching personal character attacks during debates.* 03:22 📽️ *Logan Paul's past controversies: Discussion on Logan Paul's previous controversies, like the suicide forest incident and his subsequent redemption arc.* 04:05 🔄 *Hypocrisy in cancel culture: Critique of KSI'spast cancellation and subsequent lack of accountability regarding others facing similar situations.* 05:02 🗣️ *Focusing on substance over character attacks: Advocacy for engaging with ideas rather than dismissing speech based on an individual's imperfections.* 06:16 🌍 *Reflection on second chances: Debating the concept of second chances for individuals after significant controversies.* 07:15 ⚖️ *Cancel culture's basis: Criticism of cancel culture's judgmental approach based on limited evidence and out-of-context clips.* 09:04 📰 *Misrepresentation causing cancellation: Analysis of how misrepresented clips led to Andrew Tate's cancellation from certain platforms.* 10:56 🎯 *Lack of content for self-improvement: Critique of content creators focusing on entertainment rather than empowering men with valuable life lessons.* 13:19 💡 *Teaching self-improvement: Highlighting the importance of self-improvement for men instead of promoting mindless entertainment.* 14:58 📣 *Bandwagon effect in cancel culture: Discussing how individuals jump on bandwagons to criticize controversial figures for attention and validation.* 16:22 🌊 *Caution against opposing the tide: Warning about potential backlash for taking a stand against prevailing cancel culture trends.* 16:50 🎯 *Cancel culture often distorts statements, aiming to paint individuals in a negative light by taking comments out of context.* 17:46 🛡️ *There's a prevalent tendency to associate people with disliked communities to target and discredit them, irrespective of the actual content they produce.* 18:27 💼 *Being conservative or having certain views can lead to a target on social media platforms, impacting visibility and standing.* 19:42 🎭 *Public figures often shift sides based on what benefits them, creating a pattern of inconsistency.* 20:07 📣 *Men's platforms focusing on self-improvement face opposition despite their positive impact on men's lives.* 21:13 🚩 *The "red pill" content challenges the status quo and threatens the norm, awakening men to self-worth and empowerment.* 21:56 🗯️ *Discrepancies exist between what women say they want in men and what they're genuinely attracted to, creating a paradox.* 23:07 🗳️ *Censorship issues stem from selective policies that target specific political or controversial topics, limiting speech.* 25:47 🔄 *Cancel culture often disregards context and truth for more sensationalized and entertaining narratives.* 28:11 💡 *Misinterpretation and sensationalism can influence public opinion, regardless of evidence that disproves allegations.* 30:08 🧮 *Perception of issues is amplified through social media, magnifying incidents that might have been commonplace in the past.* 31:46 🧐 *Blaming entertainment or media often deflects responsibility from larger societal issues or parental roles.* 33:29 🎮 *Entertainment or media aren't the root causes of societal problems; emphasis should be on responsible parenting and societal accountability.* 34:09 🧒 *Influence on kids: There's concern about adult content reaching kids due to online exposure, making it vital for parents to guide their kids through digital content.* 35:38 📱 *Parental challenges: Controlling what kids view online is harder today due to the prevalence of smartphones and peer pressure.* 36:23 🤝 *Parental guidance: Parents should address the content their kids consume, providing context and realities, similar to how they handle other aspects like wrestling.* 37:04 🔍 *Content manipulation: Clips taken out of context can distort the message, especially in longer-form content, affecting controversial or conservative viewpoints.* 38:53 🎥 *Social media impact: Editing and framing content can significantly alter perceptions, influencing how individuals are portrayed online.* 40:21 👥 *Hypocrisy in influencers: Some influencers change opinions quickly based on public perception, revealing inconsistencies in their stances.* 42:30 🔄 *Changing attitudes: Public figures sometimes shift stances abruptly, reflecting a lack of consistency and authenticity.* 43:27 🚫 *False allegations: False accusations and cancel culture can unjustly harm individuals, emphasizing the need for a fair evaluation before judgment.* 44:11 🗣️ *Defending fairness: Despite personal views, defending against false allegations remains crucial for justice and integrity.* 46:11 💡 *Individual experiences: Personal experiences and background play a significant role in understanding concepts like the red pill.* 48:25 📰 *Media influence: Media mirrors societal preferences, with people often seeking biased content that aligns with their beliefs.* 50:37 💪 *Fear of discomfort: The preference for agreement over challenge reflects a societal desire for comfort over critical engagement.* 51:04 🧠 *Men's emotional suppression can lead to severe consequences like suicide and health issues due to societal expectations of strength.* 52:03 🌱 *Balancing adversity and comfort is crucial for growth; excess of either can be detrimental to developing coping skills.* 53:15 💡 *Teaching resilience is vital; eliminating adversity doesn't prepare individuals for life's challenges.* 54:40 🌐 *Social, political, and technological factors contribute to societal 'softness,' affecting critical thinking and decision-making.* 56:19 🤝 *Acknowledging differing ideologies is key; assuming malice in opposingviews hinders understanding.* 59:30 🤷‍♂️ *Views on morality vary widely, often influenced by cultural, religious, or societal beliefs.* 01:00:02 🌍 *Many individuals believe they are acting in the best interest of society, even if their actions are debated as morally questionable.* 01:02:15 🔍 *Criminals often rationalize their actions, believing they serve a greater good, albeit objectively wrong.* 01:06:09 🧭 *The perception of doing good versus harm is subjective and often shapes individuals' actions and justifications.* 01:08:20 🌍 *Debating cancel culture, they discuss how speaking truth attracts backlash from those who can't handle it, highlighting the hypocrisy of supposed tolerance.* 01:08:51 🇺🇸 *Public opinion influences US foreign policy significantly, like Vietnam War protests shaping policy decisions.* 01:09:45 🤔 *Misconceptions fuel conflicts; understanding various perspectives globally is crucial to grasp diverse viewpoints.* 01:10:57 🗽 *First Amendment grants freedom, allowing controversial acts like flag burning, showcasing the essence of the US.* 01:11:27 🏙️ *Empathy requires experiencing diverse contexts; understanding issues like homelessness demands firsthand exposure.* 01:13:08 🧠 *Changing minds differs based on ignorance or genuine malice; addressing misinformation requires distinct approaches.* 01:14:51 🔍 *Criticism vs. defamation: Addressing the difference between valid critique and baseless attacks in public discourse.* 01:19:25 📈 *Collaboration to combat Big Tech: Advocating unity among truth-seekers to create a powerful platform against dominant tech entities.* Made with HARPA AI

[@EdertheJust]

They should of had someone who agrees with tate being banned off of social media. 🙄 just a bunch of tate yes men.

[@lawrencelord9777]

the type of person you are describing that would advocate for banning, doesn't comprehend speech. let alone know how to compose themselves for debate.

[@yourboyyakub6263]

What I wished was mentioned when discussing Tate's influences on kids is that fact that he actively promotes the clip what I say and post it on social media which was talked about in the podcast. He is the one promoting it which is why he is getting so popular, its unfair for FnF to say its fucked to clip a 20 second portion of a video and upload it when he promotes it, why does he get to not deal with the repercussions of what he told his audience to do.

[@SamNL]

Absolutely true. He complains about short clips out of context of him while it is exactly his fans who do it (for referral links mostly). Tate boasts about conquering the internet, but the biggest contributor has by far been the “easy to eat” short clips like TikToks, YT reels and Instagram shorts. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these short clips that people complain about hold his actual beliefs …

[@MenAskMia]

Exactly

[@thenativeson5071]

Yeah, thats his mistake....assuming people are actually more sensible to act in good fate than people are capable of this days.

[@domerame5913]

The 20 sec clip is not point, it's the fact that people will clip something out of context to make it seem like something it's not

[@bojack509]

It’s the shorter clips of the short clips that’s edited to portray him as a woman hater! Come on now, use some intellect!

[@schwifty148]

I really don't know why Destiny doesn't push back on certain points, like right in the beginning where Sneako talks about how Logan did bad things too, idk why Destiny doesn't talk about how Tate isn't actually trying to change whereas Logan did, Sneakos comparison is obviously terrible yet Destiny doesn't push back :/ Edit: 1. I think it would effective if Destiny pushed back against really bad logic, that wouldn't make him a screechy sjw. 2. Logan doing worse doesn't matter, the idea is that he is trying to change whereas Tate isn't meaning he isn't even trying for a second chance, perhaps this wasn't clear in my comment. 3. What Tate did bad was his pyramid scheme along with him saying that women can't drive, his racial agitation and now recently his basic conservative trans talking points about "oh the children, they will get infected!!!" It's mostly just level 1 conservative talking points; it's bad but idk if I would have banned him but I certainly would understand if Logan Paul wouldn't want to platform him though. My main point is that Sneako's logic is trash and that Destiny should push back more. 4. Did Destiny know that he was gonna talk about Tate before coming onto the podcast? How can he not know anything about Andrew Tate and debate about him, he's actually pulling a Vaush. 5. Some of the replies are so dumb that I'm just not even gonna.

[@HomoErectus311]

This is the new Destiny

[@dwarfu9361]

Cause you can only see what s in front of you .. What destiny is doing and in my opinion is pretty successful at is appealing to the rp community by showing them the other side without being a screeching sjw that fights them on every single point. Instead he choses when to argue and moves more people away from the rp stuff.

[@MrMetaVal]

Thing is what Logan did was way worse and was caught red handed whileTate didn't really do anything "wrong" per say since most of it are opinions and allegations,. If he tried to push back on this point he would be easily debunked by the others. So he was pretty smart to add that everyone do bad things to appeal to them

[@totorosdad7965]

Omg :(( I’m crying and shitting profusely

[@Let_me_cook31]

Yes, people deserves second chance only when they know they did wrong and are ready to change where as tate whole personality is unapologetic, he is never wrong according to him, so yes if he will not change his type of believes and content he doesn't deserve a second chance to be in platform again

[@LowercaseKev]

This made me realize something: I'm done explaining certain things online to people. Like I could explain the KSI TATE thing quite easily but no matter how I say it, I'm going to have to deal with some idiot or someone who hasn't researched. Honestly idk why KSI was brought up here.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

absolutely. I've started being on the position that: I care to understand where the "other side" comes from. I watch their stuff to root the causes of them feeling so strongly this or that way. I reverse the argument and argue for THEIR position in my head, to more deeply understand why they live like that. But the "other side"? They don't give a shit. They would never spend that time and mental energy understanding my position like I do theirs. It's always full offensive from everyone. So I'm done wasting my time being considerate. I'm gonna go play piano lol.

[@hargre77]

I know you don't want to explain it but could you very concisely explain the KSI tate thing as it seems your backing KSI? I just want to know why it could be that KSI is justified as I am a massive KSI fan but I don't like it.

[@mrkillman555]

@@hargre77 The difference to me is KSI said these things years ago when he was a lot younger and when society was in a different place. Tate has been saying them and continues to do so, and although some may claim he's just joking its causing a very real problem amongst todays youth.

[@hargre77]

@@mrkillman555 Yeah KSI was doing that shit when he was a just a kid though so I think he deserves a pass on that it was funny back then. However I don't agree with censorship whatever the reason best way to combat a bad opinion is to provide a better one imo

[@LowercaseKev]

@@hargre77 agreed. Now the funniest part of the KSI thing is it reminded me of how even if someone makes a joke and someone took it seriously, there is no way to ever convince said person it really was a joke. I felt like Sneako was utterly bad faith there. Hell he's made jokes himself that didn't go over well and he had to clarify it was a joke after. But I'm not going to hold it against Sneako cuz he is still young. But he of all people should know how something can be taken one way and it's not the intention.

[@wasd3108]

Andrew Tate as a 80 y old saying something dumb af Sneako: yo, don't be hypocritical, people can grow and learn

[@giacintaah]

Lol right he's like "what happened to learning & growing"?? Like bro he needs to actually LEARN & GROW to learn & grow. He hasn't changed his views at all lol

[@carlemthe3rd401]

Shouldn’t have gotten banned tho.

[@wasd3108]

@@carlemthe3rd401 how is that related to my comment you're sub-commenting to? gtfo

[@donaldthompson6808]

Biggest strawman if I see one.

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

@@user-ym6pu4vn4t you don’t stop growing in your 30s though

[@whiteperson1742]

Every time I hear these guy I feel like I’m in high school again smh

[@jonboner1731]

So how are people supposed to speak?

[@MultiLex101]

Not enough sophistry for you huh

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@MultiLex101 Too much of an echo chamber.

[@fabiobalassia]

My favorite part was when Destiny threw the mic at Fresh while shouting "It's Destin' time"

[@twocheezitz9182]

Time stamp? I cant find it

[@myym79]

@@twocheezitz9182 1:21:32 gotcha, bro

[@twocheezitz9182]

@@myym79 thx bro, was looking for good fap material

[@Cycstorm]

I appreciate what Destiny was trying to do here but what he was saying was going way over these guy's heads.

[@GeoSmuckers]

Myron is a little older and smarter than everyone else he def caught on

[@krombopulos_michael]

Yeah, this was a shitty performance by Destiny. He was way too passive for most of it, and then when he was making points he did it in a way that seemed almost crafted not to cause any real conflict or to make the hosts have to think about themselves and their own shortcomings.

[@_Dumb_Answers]

Destiny: everyone wants to be the good guy in their own narratives other guy: yeah those rich billionaires think they are doing good in the world while doing evil. just.... amazing.

[@hui975]

to me it seemed like they were all on the same page. I think everything destiny was discussing with them went over your head

[@micah459]

While I don't agree with Tate getting banned, it is weird that these guys are literally doing what they get mad at haters doing. Taking a clip and running with it without watching the full video.

[@kegy466]

7:49 that donation completely threw me off 😂😂

[@BTCA-]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@johnos2765]

Epic troll 😂

[@pjhaze]

What Mike said was Tate is all about the traditional male; yet he isn’t one. He made all his $ off the backs of women he manipulated (& admitted to). He’s not married. He’s not home with his nuclear family he preaches about. This is an hour and twenty minutes of coping tbh

[@rebeccarightnow]

It's fine for Logan Paul to call out Andrew Tate. It's not cancellation. And we can talk about learning and growing and second chances when Andrew Tate has actually learned and grown. The time to talk about changing your views on someone isn't when they're still mired in shit LOL. And how is it an ad hominem attack to point out Tate's hypocrisy? They aren't just attacking him personally, they're comparing his rhetoric with the way he lives his life. This makes total sense. Annoying to see Steven just sit through this agreeing. and lmao to Myron calling Logan Paul's show "mindless content" and contrasting it with Tate's content. It's all mindless content, including Fresh & Fit.

[@aacc3585]

I love how whenever someone says something stupid Fresh jumps in and says “thats a good point”

[@dddestruction527]

or he’ll just repeat exactly what someone says and tops it off with “so you were right”

[@Pwnage4]

take a deep look in a mirror right into ur own eyes and ask "am i the stupid one"?

[@AcrossTheSea12]

You can save some time and fast forward every time that dude talks. Actual NPC

[@TR13400]

He reminds me of FeelsDankMan

[@mylodelrey6520]

"they dont teach guys female nature" bruh i cant listen to this shit without my braincells dying in real time.

[@PuddingXXL]

100%. The arch destiny is on, I agree with but being exposed to listen to these guys utter their mindless shit for hours on end is draining. In Destiny's place I would have ran long ago but relationship shit is boring to me regardless. Man the ideas of women these guys have make my brain explode.

[@carlemthe3rd401]

You would probably agree with the existence of “toxic masculinity” and isn’t that part of male nature? And if there is male nature there is definitely female nature.

[@christopherg.8591]

@@carlemthe3rd401 The point he is making is that their ideas of female nature are brain dead. Some of their points are true but the conclusions they reach are fucking horrible. I used to be a PUA reader and I get evolutionary psychology, but their takes are so bad now that I've grown and actually been around girls and having relationships as well

[@mylodelrey6520]

@@carlemthe3rd401 yeah i wouldn't deny that there is a female nature, just the statement that people have to learn about those from other lost men on youtube is a bit wild to me. you learn these things by, drumroll, socializing with others in real life. not by consuming their trash unironically, i'm sorry. it really is just a grift.

[@revivedsoul1099]

Loose braincells by what exactly? What was the things they said which you disagree with, examples? On your point saying "yeah i wouldn't deny that there is a female nature, just the statement that people have to learn about those from other lost men on youtube is a bit wild to me." . So what is wrong about trying to learn and self improve on youtube, milions of people do that regardless if its regular life skill or achademic. Did somone foce you to watch this video? Also how are this men lost? This men are sucessfull people probably more succesfull than most people, including you. They seem to be have their life sorted aswell as happy. So what is this "lost men". Spesificaly Fresh and Fit who have socialised with women than you ever will in your life span by by 1000+. So whats trash of their ideas? Is telling a man to be rich, fit, selective, logica, confident wrong? What is a valuable info since you know whats trash or not lol. Honestly everything you said is just mindless rubish with no value, painfull how arogant and its ironic comming from a person who upload video of playing Elden Ring (a game). So that dosent drop your braincells. It feels like they are refering to people like you. Ignorant , sheeple and stupid.

[@ebritton7821]

I don't like Logan Paul but he's not a hypocrite for calling out tates hate, when the suicide thing happened he apologized owned up to doing something wrong and asked for forgiveness. Andrew tate still is standing by what he's saying unapologetically

[@funkthug]

Comparing Andrew Tate to Logan Paul and KSI makes no sense. Those fools were doing dumb shit when they were kids. Andrew Tate is a grown ass man.

[@mambamentality5875]

Logan was like 24. Is that a kid?

[@mambamentality5875]

@Anon X You guys are pathetic with pre-frontal cortex stuff lmao. I bet you want age of consent and drinking age to be 25 as well. B.S. unaccountability

[@Jonesyyy12]

@@user-ym6pu4vn4t 22 ain’t a kid such a stupid talking point….. I don’t care if he was doing pranks and dumb shit doesn’t justify anything like wtf. This women is property bs is stupid talking point also.

[@tonymatur4694]

@Anon X bs I knew already by the age of 15 that’s I shouldn’t be mocking things that very sensitive . people always will find a excuse to to hate on one person

[@tonymatur4694]

@@user-ym6pu4vn4t haha excuses

[@here_for_the_lolz]

Its crazy to hear Fresh&Fit say all this about canceling and attacking people when Fresh&Fit are very well known for striking videos of other creators who critique them 😂😂 to get their channel strikes and taken down... AKA "canceled" bunch of clowns 🤡

[@DrEgonCholakian]

FnF's tried to defend themselves on Tim Pool's podcast. Tim Pool of all people had to explain fair use to them. Aba did a video on it. 🤣

[@hadesgodoftheunderworld0181]

Ohh so everybody else can make mistakes and grow, except for the redpill community, gotchya 😂

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@hadesgodoftheunderworld0181 They destroyed other people in that path to knowledge, is that fair?

[@BabyPluto82]

@@SporkyMcFly Can’t make an omelette without…?

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@BabyPluto82 ... the murder of babies.

[@XenPsy]

A 'second chance' requires that you first admit you were wrong about a particular moral issue. Logan Paul did this regardless of whether the audience believes it was sincere or not. Andrew Tate, as far as I can tell, remains unapologetic about being a douchebag. Therefore Paul is not a hypocrite in this situation. All that aside, free speech ought to be paramount in spirit and not just the precise letter of the law.

[@ogolthorp]

But part of that free speech and freedom of expression is private companies being able to decide who they do and don’t want on their platforms.

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Andrew technically did nothing wrong to begin with. When people take only certain snippets out of context, from hour long videos and podcasts ofcourse its gonna look a bit mad. Then combine with the fact all the claims made against him were disapproved, and all of his exes said he was gentlemen and no ounce of abuse occurred. Being an ass online isn't illegal and shouldnt be

[@lilfr4nkie]

@@ogolthorp you’re correct, I guess my counter would be what if all big tech and media are colluding but I guess you could say make your own private business to platform. Him on

[@domerame5913]

You are not one to be granting people second chances my guy

[@XenPsy]

@@ogolthorp Corporations are not 'people.' Corporate personhood is nonsense legalese engineered to bypass the constitution.

[@ry_vs_thewrld9861]

4:15 sneako just proved how impressionable kids are 💀

[@kristianbasile7141]

Also what Logan did whilst being insensitive and dumb was no way near the damage done by Andrew Tate's rhetoric. So the comparison doesn't even work.

[@PoliMaster64]

Also logan stopped doing that. Andrew still hangs on to what he said.

[@laithsamamreh8581]

Yeah with Logan it was an action or behavior with Tate it was/ is a consistent dogma and message

[@isaiahj21]

can you articulate what damage was done by Tate's rhetoric? and if you could, could you also explain the difference between that damage and the damage caused by, say, the women on tiktok that recruit young girls to onlyfans (because they get a cut of their earnings if they actually sign up)

[@LaloWick]

@@isaiahj21 thank you bro

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

Can be specific as to what Tates rhetoric is.

[@note4note804]

It's so embarrassing for all of these guys to spend the first 5 minutes judging Logan Paul because "How dare he assumes what Andrew Tate is off camera. You don't know him!" and then 19:05, oh look, we're all mind readers, but obviously when we do it it's because we DO know him.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@Threelegs94 Well they were perfectly fine judging Paul calling him an sjw feminist….

[@AadetTube]

@@NothingElseMattersJM They didn’t mean he was a sjw. They mocked him for trying to act like he cares about social justice when he himself literally profited over someone who commited suicide.

[@toastiestmoth927]

did you not hear the part he says he talks with tate everyday?

[@note4note804]

Wow, you guys have really activated all of your brain cells to put that response together. No one cares if they know Tate or not. The point is if they call Paul out for pretending to know who Tate is despite not knowing him personally, who are they to assume they know who Paul is and what he thinks and believes off camera?

[@joon3035]

i keep forgetting that rp means red pill and whenever they say it im like "andrew tate does roleplay???"

[@shubhampawar7921]

Sneako : sidemen and Logan Paul sell porn by promoting OF girls Meaning Andrew Tate did the same by running the girl-cam business Sneako: Andrew Tate is so great, I love him. The hypocrisy of this man is outstanding 👏🏽

[@Fam0081]

When Tate does it “he is a part of the game” but when influencer’s promote it they are “bad individual that promote porn” These mfs don’t make sense 😂🤦🏽

[@shubhampawar7921]

@@greasy8394 so on sidemen tinders the girls are wearing clothes and all.

[@CTRLgirlworld]

@@shubhampawar7921 you seem to be ignoring the part where tate promoted his stuff to adult men while sidemen audience is kids lol nice try though

[@truthfulpurpose]

Audience of kids vs an adult site catered to adult men. Poor argument tbh.

[@CTRLgirlworld]

@@truthfulpurpose exactly, dude fr thought he made a solid argument

[@Padthai_Shrimp]

They not hatting the guy because of his ideology. They hatting on him because of his sphere of influence is challenging theirs.

[@sugarsore]

That is such bs.

[@Vlacis]

How are people taking tate out of context if he "walks it like he talks it"

[@cpt.kagoul]

Sneako is genuinely so inept of anything profound and truly rational.

[@DirtyRedMuzik]

I very much love watching people with completely different beliefs, discuss and debate topics. Thank you, Destiny!

[@HomoErectus311]

This was an echo chamber lol.

[@VileHusk]

@@HomoErectus311 sometimes people just agree on the same topic, and there were some moments of disagreement, for example; sneako and destiny disagreed on the joe Biden topic.

[@DirtyRedMuzik]

@@HomoErectus311 Were you paying attention, my friend?

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

"good times create weak men", "Weak men create hard times"... It's not 100% accurate but close enough in many areas. There is strength in opening up. It's ok to have a weakness, as long as you don't sit in it like a pig in slop. Trying to improve is key factor in building mental/ physical strength to overcome.

[@tftsheepcup]

Love how they start by saying Logan Paul shouldn’t attack tate cuz he hasn’t met him and out of context clips and then they proceed to attack Logan Pauls character without meeting him and with out of context clips. Fucking comical how people who say “I hate cancel culture” usually want to cancel everything else but get so mad about cancel culture when what they like is getting cancelled.

[@lovelynicole7100]

Yup. Contradicting. I’m surprised this destiny guy sat through it. He seems smart… why is he even there ? Lol

[@at5203]

Also, crying about "second chances" and growing as a person, while none of them even believe Tate did nothing wrong. Three braincells in total in that whole panel.

[@tftsheepcup]

@@lovelynicole7100 my best guess is he isn’t super immerse in the topic and hasn’t done as much research as he would for other debates, so he can’t push back as hard or at all.

[@FriendlyHomie]

Facts. I'm seeing Tate fans saying "cancel H3H3!" I'm like, Eithan is a pos, so is Andrew, neither should be banned but you try to ban eachother.

[@vanessadisco6643]

This is ridiculous.. every criticism they have of "the other side", directly applies to them. There are better arguments against banning people. Making yourself out to be something you're not... not the best approach. Really thought Destiny would have more thoughtful input over pandering to these guys.

[@user-ht3sc3sz7h]

@Innocent.a1 Idk, maybe the guy accusing Logan Paul of judging somebody on clips taken out of context and ad homs saying "that's pussy behaviour" and judging his arguments from tik tok clips taken out of context?

[@Aliyaaaa]

Kindaaaa agree. I wish destiny would try to actually go a bit more into Debate-mode. He did throw in counter points here and there, but Fresh n fit definetly criticized some things that 100% applies to them too. Then again they all kept it very respectful and wanted to work rather on common ground then going against their beliefs. So calling it ridiculous seems a bit over the top

[@3self]

Tribalism

[@user-ht3sc3sz7h]

@@Aliyaaaa That's because destiny isn't trying to make his case, but rather cultivate an audience within these groups. I increasingly think his commitment to progressive ideals is almost non existent and he's only interested in the rethorical exercise and status.

[@Goulash45]

@@user-ht3sc3sz7h Progressive ideals are trash and destiny probably knows that. Lol

[@ModernSanyam]

Destiny really needs to push back more. I agree, attack the arguments. But he isn't doing that. He doesn't have the same fire IRL no matter what he claims

[@ayukone]

He did, he just doesn't have the the same fire at all anymore.

[@RSVikingJohn]

So far I've only watched the first 13 minutes and I feel the same. Ofcourse there is a balance between passive and aggressive, but I feel like a bit more push back would be better (and even exciting for everyone).

[@snoopyco07]

Have you not seen any of his other irl debates? He has plenty of fire irl.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@RSVikingJohn Steak yourself in because it’s like that for the vast majority of the video. Some pushback towards the end

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@RSVikingJohn Watch the second debate if you want to see destiny push back more. Destiny pushes back hardcore for almost that entire debate. It’s why fresh and fit titled this video “discussion” and the second video that night “HEATED DEBATE”. Destiny just agreed with more of the points in this video and disagreed with way more of the points in the second video.

[@vmd06e]

I agree with Destiny that each person has their own subjective reality, and everyone believes they have good intent based on their life and socio-cultural environment. However, the impact is separate from intent, and the impact, is also subjective relative to who is receiving it. The lack of compassion, curiosity, intersubjectivity and individualism, makes it hard to shift from blaming the person to being aware of what systemic factors produced those persons thoughts or actions. Thich Nhat Hanh does a great just of reflecting on this in his writings on interbeing in “peace is every step” and poem “call me by my real name.”

[@unclebobboomergames]

41:20 Hard cope. Tate made his money pretending to be a woman in chat and making dudes nuut. Rationalize it as much you.

[@deadams8905]

It's so funny thatl he believes he's a hard working traditional man but he made the majority of his money leeching off of women.

[@unclebobboomergames]

@@deadams8905 of course. Its just the specific way he did it...it was sus. Well call it that at very least

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@deadams8905 How was he leeching? Had at one point more than 75 women working for him because he was probably offering a good service to them.

[@deadams8905]

@@unclebobboomergames very sus.

[@deadams8905]

@@carlemthe3rd401 he took eighty percent of his multiple girlfriend's earnings because they are "his."

[@sharinettegonzalez23]

This “debate” was really just an Andrew Tate circle jerk, and yes, that includes Destiny. I’ve notice that destiny pushes back way more when debating leftist creators. I’m fine with pushing back against the left but be consistent and push the same way towards the right.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Yep sad

[@yeyeye7804]

kinda agree, destiny is def playing the long game for the right tho

[@yeyeye7804]

and he doin good

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@yeyeye7804 he’s going the Tim Pool route

[@theAlex2577]

i hate how destiny just turns into a yes man when he goes on fresh and fit, i understand trying not to make the left look like raging bluehaired sjw's but a little pushback against blatant misinformation wouldnt hurt

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

Not true whatsoever, you clearly didn't watch the full podcast. Destiny pushed back hard on a lot

[@xxxbestplayer95xxx17]

You mean leftists in the USA?, In the rest of the world they are normal (maybe not that much tho)

[@MrMetaVal]

@@veritasabsoluta4285 That's what happen with people who don't watch the full podcast and just watch a bit like ignorant. The after hour destiny pushed back a lot.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@MrMetaVal There’s no after hour here….

[@HoxtenBoyz]

maybe Destiny likes andrew tate but he doesn't say it because the majority of his viewers are leftists who hate him? have you thougfht of that? he pushes back on other things just not Andrew Tate

[@brendangibson8200]

Best part is definitely when Sneako thought that 2018 was earlier than 2014

[@arthurporter131]

It’s great to see Destiny and August get like 4K subs within 2 days of going on F&F. Would love to see them break 500k before 2023

[@aSSGoblin1488]

Nowadays, we have a guy named Destiny which is a girl's name. MJ chad, named after a famous homosexual. And Sneako, named after Nike, the goddess of victory. the plight of men is real but we also have come a long way. during WW1 when PTSD was not a thing yet, the term shell-shocked came into the lexicon. They were initially denounced as weak and cowardly men, the veterans who suffered from this condition. Shown a simple military hat that reminded them of their service, they uncontrollably shook and shake terribly. During that time, warfare involved outdated concepts of "honor and character", and sent their young men into human wave attacks against a meat grinder. Barbed wire, machine guns, and artillery cared little for honor and character. If you were a male and stayed at the homeland, you were given a White Feather, a symbol of cowardice.

[@jonboner1731]

True, but it's interesting to notice that ptsd on that level of display and noticeability really started with ww1. The use of loud explosive weaponry, like machine guns and smgs, caused havoc in the minds of the soldiers. The speed and sounds of all of that would cause your body to vibrate. Memories are just records of the past, so it'll trigger muscle memory. This definitely became more understood as people fought with guns and could relate to a small extent. This is why some theorize that sword and knife battles are the best way for war to occur.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

@@jonboner1731 the moment the first humans started farming, the other tribes fell in suit or died out. the demographic pressure is too high. the moment an advantage occurs, people adopt it. whether its vaccination, paper money, or imperialism, the societal advantage steam rolls other civilzations. FUN FACT. the guy who killed millions of people also saved billions. the guy who invented nitrogen manufacturing, nitrogen used in gun powder and artillery shell

[@youknowelgin]

Mike is 37 Andrew is 35 it seems really weird for him to point out Andrews age.

[@Kingofkings07133]

Fr 😂😂

[@ignorantpost6051]

Yes but tbf Mike doesn't preach about being an old school man

[@HomoErectus311]

Mike doesn’t think women are property.

[@zuko7655]

@@HomoErectus311 He promoting porn

[@carlemthe3rd401]

@@HomoErectus311 Andrew doesn’t think women are property, he just believes he’s responsible for them, and responsibility implies some degree of ownership.

[@irshadazeez4764]

25:40 The people saying Tate is dangerous to kids should keep that same energy when female musicians and influencers promote hypersexuality to our daughters. 28:41 People dont raise a peep despite the warnings that tik tok is rotting the kid's brains. They do nothing about all the harmful things that already exist on the apps. Keep that same energy and get the children off social media period.

[@Zeiss120]

Well lizzo is oppressed bro

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

That’s not even an argument…..

[@vivek27789]

@@NothingElseMattersJM how it is not?🤔

[@kidnamedfinger2840]

@@NothingElseMattersJM why not?

[@kimsalinas1993]

Outstanding.... this conversation went from Andrew Tate, to satanic rituals, to anime and pokemon.

[@taravanova]

So other than the generic throw away advice of "work on yourself," what has f&f or tate offered to make men better people? Crypto and MLM scams? Blaming women for your problems? Seems like they are making men worse, not better.

[@themalestoic5591]

You clearly haven't done your research before claim they only give throw away advice. This probably your first time watching and here you are making assumptions before looking into what you're claiming they do.

[@taravanova]

@@themalestoic5591 My fnf exposure consists of the content D has made on them. Considering the mind numbingly dumb things I've heard them say so far, I don't think they are worth a deeper dive. However, I have seen a deep dive on Tate's hustlers university scam, and considering how the red pill community is an echo chamber parroting nearly identical talking points, I doubt fnf are offering significantly different advice. But feel free to correct me by telling me what actionable pieces of advice fnf offer that isn't the standard self help information you can find anywhere else.

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

😂😂😂😂 “work on yourself” is now generic advice. Also when has Tate blamed women for anything?

[@isaiasmmmmm2784]

@@ONYIAANTHONY watch j Aubrey’s video on Tate. He shows clips and is very well researched. Don’t get how ppl like that tate guy

[@taravanova]

@@ONYIAANTHONY Yes, it is generic. Are you not clear on the definition of the word or something?

[@sinkusbinkus4408]

I don't understand how destiny can say the girls they've had on this podcast are dumb but then defend Sneako's intelligence when he regularly says waaaaaay dumber shit

[@Drew-wf9bg]

we all have internal thoughts that we vet before we say things. what the women say is stupid but it’s the conclusion they reach after that vetting process. sneko on the other hand doesn’t process things internally it’s all out there for the world to hear. so yes a lot of it is way dumber but it’s not his final take like most of the women the whole point is for sneko to get criticism so he can improve

[@enopeeb]

@@Drew-wf9bg You just proved that everyone who follows Sneako is a bot. A lot of mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that he is a moron.

[@deadfish45films]

I think it’s irresponsible to be calling normal conversation like these debates. You are all having a normal discussion, that’s the important thing, arguments and counter points are part of normal conversations, these should be titled discussions.

[@animeking17]

Debate is more clickbatiey

[@unyieldingmonotony4453]

@@animeking17 I agree. But I think it creates toxic mindsets when conversations are framed as debates.

[@HomoErectus311]

Where were the counter points ? A bunch of guys riding Andrew Tate for an hour+. This was an echo chamber lol.

[@animeking17]

@@HomoErectus311 why was he banned?

[@HomoErectus311]

@@animeking17 Private companies thought he either broke their terms of service or would negatively impact their platform, so they exercised their 1st amendment rights and banned him.

[@tiraud105]

As a man in a traditional marriage with children. I honestly don't have difficulty controlling the content my children watch. Their accounts are connected to my devices all it requires is me to switch and I can see exactly what's going on and it gives me things to talk and engage with them on.

[@kristianbasile7141]

Lmao, every parent believes this and is dead wrong.

[@blackbox2849]

as a man in a traditional marriage with children i could care less what my kids watch. i was 9 with my friends watching 2 girls one cup, homeless people getting murdered with screw drivers and worse. i turned out better then average. i think holding your kids back just shortens there views. holds them back from feeling different emotions they would have never experienced then thinking about it and formulating in there head how that would feel. inherently making them more intelligent. controlling what your kids views will only hold him back, out of the loop with the cooler kids. less interesting things to bring up making friends. less to think about. L unless you have little girls lmao. idk about that cant relate. im neither a girl or have girls lol

[@kristianbasile7141]

@@blackbox2849 Yeah, you cannot control what your kids watch. All you can do is try to give them a set of good values to live by and teach them critical thinking so that they don't automatically believe whatever they hear. Good values + critical thinking will allow them to make less dumb mistakes and learn more quickly from the mistakes they do make.

[@girth_goblin]

Not everyone is as good a parent as you

[@Rayver112]

@@blackbox2849 Hope you also give them the freedom to learn the difference between there and their

[@AutumnS264]

Please keep coming back to Fresh n Fit and help these boys grow up.

[@Kamz37s]

It’s finally out kzbin.info-TNIRdM5BU8?feature=share

[@vger9186]

This was like a chess player sitting down at a checkers tournament.

[@pedro15305]

Does this become a debate at some point or is it just a circlejerk like the ones destiny says he hates? Edit: I still can't see how Sneako is smart. Also, he'll never switch sides. If destiny can make him stop saying mind numblingy stupid shit and at least see that the rp is bullshit, I will probably never go against his 'method' again, cause I see that as an impossible mission.

[@kaizen1723]

My thoughts exactly! 👍🏻

[@lauriewhittaker]

The stuff they’re saying about logan Paul literally doesn’t make sense, if they watch the full podcast it clearly shows logan saying how he believes Andrew Tate should be given a second chance if he changes and grows up from his old fashioned misogynistic views. Just like how logan was forgiven by everyone when he showed he had changed

[@lifestyle807]

Exactly, its crazy because they argue about clips misrepresenting Tate and the proceed to do the same thing with Logan's podcast. The lack of self awareness is ridiculous.

[@TyrianHaze]

So, basically, he will get uncancelled once he shuts up and starts talking like a leftist.

[@lauriewhittaker]

@@TyrianHaze this ain't a left right thing, he should be uncancelled when he stops saying things in the most provoking/extreme ways for clout which his young + impressionable audience take literally and follow to the extreme.

[@lauriewhittaker]

@@TyrianHaze for example "woman can't drive" Tate doesn't actually believe this he just thinks men are better than woman at driving (which is still dumb but whatever) - young white male fans take his original statement literally and go round being sexist and saying woman can't drive

[@TyrianHaze]

@@lauriewhittaker Is he telling people to do anything illegal? Is he doing anything illegal? Is he responsible for any dumb shit his viewers do?

[@googley98]

This one was pretty dull, they barley disagreed.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

That’s Destiny nowadays

[@jamessderby]

imagine having any of these dorks as mentors

[@danielkeegan6002]

Bro saying this but commented on this video lol

[@GodEnderX]

@@Threelegs94 peoples heros these days.....

[@zek9870]

@@Threelegs94 yes he is

[@jw4491]

right, imagine having destiny as a mentor

[@dexter2392]

They're not dorks they're gigachads, they probably lift more than you (talking about fresh and fit, sneako is cringe)

[@MsHojat]

I always thought that Paul filming the suicide person wasn't actually that big of a deal. It's more-so that his demeanor was disrespectful as well _just like all his other videos._ I never liked the guy, and even still don't, but I think showing what showed is just a taboo thing that shouldn't be so strongly disliked by people, and that even with his bad behavior the reaction of people was overblown. To me it was like "well, that's just another JP video" while everyone else is freaking out as if he killed someone.

[@carljohnson5292]

Youd react differently if you know the dead person.

[@serialBLEACHexpert98]

Suicide, in most societies is a taboo, I don't know what you are talking about, combine that with the fact that most societies also have an expectation of respect for the dead and their bodies. Now we have a guy who knowingly went into a forest that is known for suicide, went to film the bodies for CONTENT, not even a documentary, and proceeded to behave in the most disrepectful way possible. If you can't understand that then.

[@negitivebike3169]

He made fun of a suicide victim and filmed it.

[@darali568]

I don't get it why isn't destiny pushing back harder against these idiots? Wasn't he known for that being against bad idea's and AGGRESSIVELY pushing back against bad ideas. I mean it was that exact attitude that caused all the bridge burnings in the past few years. Aren't these guys much worse than lefties? Has destiny changed his mind on how to approach disaggrements being more mature about disagreements is ok but then he should atleast admit he was wrong in the past. That Hassan thing really broke his brain . It's my fault though he literally has a girls name what more could I have expected.

[@chim8939]

???

[@YeTism]

destiny is becoming redpilled

[@taylor_o]

L

[@taylor_o]

@@YeTism based

[@maxis2778]

Wait until after hours.

[@calebstephan2083]

This wasn't a debate lol. It was just destiny and fresh and fit agreeing on everything 😂. People like to take sides but they agree on everything. The only thing they don't agree on is open relationships. That's literally it.

[@v3ike]

Fax. Destiny’s chat is also terrible.

[@ayukone]

Wrong, they disagree on open relationships, red pillers views on sexuality, and how "value" is decided to just list off a few. Also you must forget that he heavily disagrees on how red pillers view females.

[@Taireyn]

Nah man have you watched the last debate with them? There is definitely more they disagree on

[@iansmith1916]

If this was Nebraska Steve, he’d get in a screaming match within the first 20 minutes and never get invited back on. He’s playing a different game now. He disagrees with most of these guy’s policy positions and worldview, but he wants to be able to keep talking to them and intelligently push back. It’s a slower game, but he thinks it’ll be more effective at changing the audience’s ideas.

[@jewberto1220]

You should check out the after hours of the podcast, that was quite a heated debate

[@TheSuperGuitarGuy]

I feel like Im haviny a stroke everytime Walter speaks

[@mavrostitan1968]

40:00 just for clarity if anyone reads this KSI was watching clips of Tate and at the beginning said he agreed but when Tates talking points got more extreme he disavowed them in the same video

[@OmegaPuddle]

And just to add further clarity... The video that KSI watched was a hate video of Tate with clips taken progressively more and more out of context to "sound" insane. A particular example was Tate retelling a story of when he was in France and there was some guy dancing in a nightclub.... KSI was like "whats wrong with dancing? *offended face" Because the clip had edited out that it was a man NAKED dancing in the middle of the club, which is definitely weird. So even KSI's reaction to Tate was based off manipulated content. And we saw this happen time and time again, influencers reacting to a haters reaction to Tates manipulated content instead of Tates actual videos and interviews in full. So yea... the barn doors swing all the way, doesnt mean you have to let the horses out. It takes the bare minimum due diligence to be a good person and assume positive context to a 20 second clip, instead of assuming the worst possible insinuations to jump on a hate bandwagon.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@OmegaPuddle The “clips taken out of context “ thing is pretty weird considering some of the clips going around are the ones Tate was promoting on his social media accounts.

[@Fam0081]

@@OmegaPuddle JJ said that he agrees with Andrew saying “self improvement is important for men” and other things but all the women things Andrew says are total bogus and Doesn’t make sense

[@matthewedwards8576]

@@OmegaPuddle And if you’d continued to watch the KSI clip, the bit he’s watching repeats and then KSI hears the fact that the guy was naked which he missed before and agrees that that was a bit weird

[@lifestyle807]

@@OmegaPuddle You failed to mention that KSI also realises that he didn't hear the naked part in the very next clip and then agrees with Tate in the end. You seem to be guilty of the very thing you're arguing against, which is manipulating content without giving the full context.

[@saulgood2836]

I like how everyone acts like they have no idea that Tate was the one who had people in HU clip up his videos and make them look cool and post them all over the internet and he loved it cuz they went viral. Andrew made that happen. He should of known what that was going to lead to.

[@synlion]

*should have or should’ve

[@TheJoshProject]

and Sneako's point about the pornstars can be said for Fresh n Fit too, most of the time the girls they bring on have onlyfans and they put their links in the bio, is that not the same thing or at list similar?

[@UziNewReleases]

They put their instagrams in the bio as an exchange of service for coming on the podcast but i don't think that compares to having literal pornstars do suggestive acts for a target audience of 16 year olds

[@c.karnstein3299]

Fresh n Fit are also always parroting that to be a man is to be surrounded by "hot girls" and yet women who make their own decisions about their sexuality are "gross" and "low value". They are also selective with what women they invite on, making sure they make no attempts to contest any point they make.

[@noahwinslow3252]

Fit - I talk to Tate every day. Unbiased af

[@Gchildwarrior]

It was actually Fit, but the message is still right. Around the 10:30 mark

[@noahwinslow3252]

@@Gchildwarrior appreciate the correction, edited

[@Gchildwarrior]

@@noahwinslow3252 no problem, my dude

[@HP-sq2fp]

These guys are soooo incredibly biased about everything but try to pretend like everyone else is instead

[@noahwinslow3252]

@@MasculineIdeal fair point. Maybe he shouldn't be so biased then

[@unknownunknown7984]

32:35 Myron: Complains about no accountability and using people as scapegoats. 33:00 Sneako: Calls out Myron for simpliyfing the issue. Myron: Stutters and blames women for simplifying the issue. Bro this shit is unreal ☠

[@killerofbats1705]

They are so hypocritical on a lot of thing they say its unbelievable.

[@kabirarya5381]

Destiny is honestly the only sane fucking person on the podcast, i find it funny that they barely bring about the topic of tates affect on young due alot of his misogynistic remarks like "women in a relationship with me are my property" or "women are bad drivers due to my personal limited experience (then I will generalize every single women like that)".They talk about how tate does self improvement content while ksi and Logan make mindless entertainment (which is true)but then ignore All the bad shit he has made.destiny made a point that he thinks that he thinks ksi and Logan are virtue signalling, which i think, at least for ksi can easily be disproved.ksi had made a sidemen reacts video in which at the start he says he agrees with tate and then after reacting to his misogynistic clips he changes his mind.This to me shows that he didn't know public opinion about tate at that time because he said he agreed to tates self improvement advice but then changed his mind through the video.this was also before he was banned.

[@kabirarya5381]

These guys say they provide self improvement to men which is the most delusional thing i have heard, destiny should pushback more against these people.i don't think destiny is like them eventhough the thing that happened with Noah samsen was really a bad look for him(mostly due to him just being in the same discord call with the man-child sneako). I had heard his debates before and thought that he was a rational person yet he doesn't offer any pushback when fresh says that they allow women to say KAM and when we say women should stay in homes it's bad.many people can already see something wrong with that statement. Many people in the left are very much against the kill all men sentiment and the few that agree are just delusional, and to add fresh uses a sentiment held by a minority of women to justify his misogynistic takes on women as a whole.that does not help in anyway. destiny should have said something about that, yet says nothing.i will say it again, destiny please pushback against these delusional men more.

[@kinart243]

So Tate making young boy misogynistic ?, What about the the view, Disney, schools, political figures and feminist teachers misandry? Why nobody talk about that ? Impartiality is rare those days I bet you have never watched full old Tate video or even the new one Why did you left the part about KSI doing the r face, or Logan disrespectful act in Japan? If the past and the future are the same in your eyes

[@kabirarya5381]

@@kinart243 wtf??i know many bad things influence kids these days, but when teachers are saying that kids are saying they love Andrew tate and then they repeat some of his same remarks, it's obvious due to who's influence they're saying that. you talk about feminists teaching misandry, i would like to correct your statement. I think you meant to say EXTREMIST feminists teaching misandry. You people take something a few extremist feminist did and then say that's what all women and feminists sentiments are.please tell me when i said past and future are the same. i know very well what ksi and Logan Paul have done in the past but at least from what i have seen they have matured more (even if they do act like kids for entertainment sometimes), ksi and Logan apologized and changed themselves,while tate doubles down on his actions no matter what.i also actively keep up with tates stream appearances whether it be on adins or anyone else's so i can hear his opinions more and my shorts feed is also filled with pro-tate shorts channels, so yes I do keep up with him.i also watched his tucker Carlson interview, which i assume you probably didn't?

[@kabirarya5381]

@@kinart243 many people talk about all the bad influences to kids these days, how do you get the sentiment that nobody talks about this?people all the time talk about how some political figures are bad influences and i personally can't say anything about schools because i know nothing about american education.Could you also please give me some evidence or something to the claim Disney is a bad influence, because i haven't heard anything bad about them considering their influence on kids.

[@AGADKNY]

Women are property is not a misogynistic comment especially when said in the context that Tate made them. To explain how would require a lot of typing so I would suggest seeing Lyah heilpern's vid on it. Making the claim woman are bad drivers is hardly influencing the youth. This idea already exists among many people since women could drive. If he said Asians can't drive, would you say he's responsible for making kids racist? That would be silly. Beside Tate's content regarding women is arguably less than 50% of what he talks about.

[@Yuzeyobe]

Love how they always say that Taint is being taken out of context, but they never explain the context. Such a scapegoat. And if you disagree with this comment, you're taking my opinion out of context, bro.

[@SupaDupaDanga]

Taint?

[@mariomario1462]

Give an example

[@Kingofkings07133]

Give an example

[@calcober]

Give an example

[@JohnSmith-cv1pf]

Give an example

[@tiromandal6399]

This 9:26 moment made perfect sense. He's is like the brother of a criminal who will always defend his brother irrelevant of how horrible the crime is.

[@Muhluri]

1:14:40 destiny speaking facts! These people will make a 3 hour video essay telling us why someone is bad and that we should avoid them. At the end of their videos they're like: "in conclusion: this guy is bad, now buy my merch and check out the shitty sponsor who paid me". There's never any good alternatives recommended I've watched tones of Manosphere debunking videos and not one of them provided any good alternatives for self improvement content

[@lorien6205]

It's crazy how ignorant these guys are when it comes to understanding the other side. Destiny is trying to simply explain that everybody is doing what they think is best most people aren't evil, and they go "yeah people have good intent but don't know what is really for the best." Like dude, every _bot_ who disagrees with you is saying the exact same thing about your side. You're kind of still missing the point.

[@alexl8445]

This whole "side" thing is ridiculous. Its true what Destiny said and Fresh and Fit agreed with him. They agreed that "people think they're doing what's good but they don't know is actually bad". I don't know if everyone who disagrees with them is saying the red pill thinks it's doing good. It's not a common thing from what I've seen (edited). I've seen it from Destiny and Aba and Preach, but the majority probably (edited) do not think this. It's mostly just name calling (misogynist) and how evil they are.

[@ONYIAANTHONY]

This argument is really funny because your saying the other side have the exact same argument. But the other side isn’t getting banned for the “exact same thing” .When you cut off a man’s tongue you are not saying he is a liar, your saying that your afraid of what they are saying

[@andersondang7253]

I'm so glad I'm gay. This podcast makes it sound like having sex with women is so exhausting.

[@kamifuujin]

🤣

[@secondengineer9814]

It's funny hearing Myron brag about the diversity of opinion the show gets from women, then he says they have to screen to find girls who won't "freak out" when he says guys should be able to cheat.

[@mao5170]

By freak out, they meant the rachet types. The ones that would hit at you, throw drinks at you, throw tantrums, and would just mess around to hurt the quality of the show. Ironically it's always the darker ones that does this. Edit 1: Typo fix.

[@badassproductions4734]

You can't have a discussion with someone who freaks out over things they disagree with

[@JamesCourse66]

I agree with Logan Paul. Andrew Tate is a problem that needed to be addressed. His most ridiculous statements can actually be adopted by impressionable idiots. No, women are not the property of their partners. These type of people are DIVIDING the sexes, not bringing people together by understanding and respect. And Destiny’s time on Fresh and Fit is frankly a bit disappointing. He is mucccch more strict on all the content creators he debates online but he is pretty passive on this podcast.

[@lewissawyer1077]

Not really , rp and Tate is a buildup of woman treating men like shit in society, it's so strong that Tate has close to a million on rumble

[@krishiebobbybill3209]

Andrew Tate is literally just saying traditional conservative shit that's literally in every single religion. Banning Tate isn't even going to make a dent into these ideas you have no idea what you're talking about bro 🤣 we need to equip people to combat these ideas. Deplatforming will not make a dent. That's like the equivalent of deplatforming some religious person because you think their ideas are dangerous... While 95% of the population are religious.

[@PuddingXXL]

@@krishiebobbybill3209 I think that's the point of the OG comment isn't it? He never said we should ban Tate. It was just expressed sympathy for why he believes Tate is actually having a problematic influence on people. His comment is not about banning Tate but about destiny failing at providing people with tools to combat these ideas. It's disappointment about Destiny's performance on this podcast which I quite frankly share.

[@simonwinn8757]

If you really think about it, what Tate actually says and promotes is the feminist version what a man is.

[@krishiebobbybill3209]

@@PuddingXXL fair enough

[@jimothyj2638]

Destiny, Sneako is a conservative. Sincerely, people with eyeballs

[@keodiozubu8670]

Sneaky? Conservative? Lol yeah no. He doesn’t think men should be tradtional

[@ryohio4706]

I don't think Sneako knows what he is, lol. He just kinda mashes together random points from whatever he likes.

[@giovalladares1022]

Red pill does not = conservative

[@fakechuck7659]

Not a conservative. Just a right-wing guy who has done very little reflection on real political ideas.

[@Lizard1582]

Hes selectively conservative, which is the worse I think.

[@ChipnDipz1]

*CAN THIS MAN STOP RELEASING BANGER AFTER BANGER OF LONG FORM CONTENT? I AM TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH MY TIIIIIIMMMMMEEEEEE! D:>*

[@anonymouswhiterabbit]

Lol, “Satanic rituals.” Good lord.

[@youngpolar]

logan paul vs andre tate in a boxing match would absolutely break the fucking internet

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@loan-shark Against no names

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@loan-shark True. #Facts

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@loan-shark Jake Paul is a better boxer than Logan Paul

[@youngpolar]

@@loan-shark why do you hate him? You don’t even know him… you’re a bigot

[@jayfe86]

That was the weakest defence of Tate espousing Traditional values but exploiting nontraditional means of income I've ever heard

[@weneedtofixourselves7250]

“Why are people mentally weak now?” It’s super simple, the conditions of our reality allow for it. Necessity is the mother of invention. Nothing is necessary in our society. You can literally be a bed blob and survive…and get quasi social interaction on the internet.

[@jesterscupcake]

The cancelation debate is remarkably boring. It's really not that complicated and I don't care if it happens, especially to a shitheel like Tate. He wanted to go around telling everyone how badass he was and didn't let the negative feels get to him, yet him and his community have done nothing but whine about how unfair it is when he got even a little adversity. It's almost like you can't just say whatever you want without consequences.

[@amp4105]

Donos read like GTA radio conversations

[@battt1718]

13:00 - Important nuance missed here. Maybe they would have Paul on "Impulsive," as a guest, after his suicide forest scandal. But Paul's scandal was a singular incident for which he publicly apologized, and even improved upon himself as a person afterwards. Tate however, in Paul's eyes, is spreading and confirming, ideas and attitudes that are damaging to their listeners. Most people would agree. A huge difference between making a regretful mistake, and actively harming society. Logan Paul has every right not to want to make his audience bigger than it already is. Really wish Destiny would stop doing their show if he's unable to overcome the social pull and just call out all of the bullshit they spew.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

This wasn't even a debate wth? No pushback from Destiny at all!

[@davidson6738]

@AK Milli “the truth” lmao bullshit

[@TheRealRhasta]

When was Ksi a fan of Andrew Tate? Lmao Ksi said he has some good points on self-improvement and then in the same sentence says he disagrees with all his other takes. Does that make someone a "fan" or am I missing something?

[@HomoErectus311]

They’re literally just making stuff up lol.

[@noahwinslow3252]

It's black and white to them, "you're either with me or against me"

[@HomoErectus311]

@@noahwinslow3252 Yup. If you aren’t red pill, you’re a screeching sjw feminist to them.

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

@@noahwinslow3252 that’s most people

[@noahwinslow3252]

@@OMAR-vk9pi yeah, nuance is hard, but it seems harder for people after they take the red pill 💊

[@vesuvius2444]

His MLM business is extremely shady and he was getting investigated for sex trafficking. I care about that stuff much more than the crazy things he says.

[@sandevastated1]

Imagine getting the ending of Attack on Titan spoiled to you on a FnF podcast lmaooooooooooooooooooooo