Andrew Wilson Debates a Christian Commie TikToker, The Star Trek Paradigm Comes Up

[@stevendouglas3781]

So funny how he wasn’t ready for Andrew to know this much about Star Trek. Made him run away.

[@nsh1980]

You could drop him into a bunch of different fictional worlds and Andrew can probably handle himself

[@wickedfrigginryan4645]

Haha, he got outnerded

[@hemdazon1]

I can't believe I just watched andrew debate the prime directive 😅

[@scots2129]

Dude claims that he doesn't believe in personal property, yet he challenges Greg to a fight saying "don't tell me to calm down on MY stream." So you can't own a house or a car, but you can own a stream. These people don't practice anything they preach

[@stevendouglas3781]

Because it’s impossible, communism is a lie.

[@The_Cyber_Police]

"Catch me in the streets!!!" Guarantee this dork has never been in a fight in his life.

[@PrObLeM-07]

This dude has never even flicked a person let alone been in a fight.

[@exothermic8525]

He definitely has that “I just see red” energy.

[@The_Cyber_Police]

@@nicolagraham1678 nah, he doesn't use either.

[@reallyshel]

That shit made me holler 😂😂

[@bigol9223]

​@@nicolagraham1678 he sure wants to appear like he uses fists when he says "catch me in da skreetz"

[@Praenuntium]

These people always amuse me. They think they're gonna create a Star Trek utopia, but in reality, it always turns out to be Orwell's 1984.

[@MicrocosmicExperience]

It usually comes from a very sheltered childhood tbh. They think that the only reason people commit crimes or general immoralities is because of poverty. They fail to consider that it is just caked into the DNA of people. There's always going to be people that are going to steal and kill no matter what.

[@Praenuntium]

@@MicrocosmicExperience Yeah, they think humans are a blank slate at birth.

[@rebel107]

​@@MicrocosmicExperiencetragedy of the commons. I'll never forget that day in school.

[@stevendouglas3781]

No it doesn’t. It always turns out to be starvation and mass graves.

[@johnnybrave7443]

Christian commie is an oxymoron

[@leonardwitucke1]

"Catch me in the streets Greg."

[@jsharp9735]

It really is, its the polar opposite. There is also an inverse relationship with knowledge in Christian theology vs being a marxist socialist. Which means this guy doesn't understand the Bible.

[@vranigavrani]

As much as Christian capie is.

[@TheOneHandedClap]

so is christian statist. the concept of a state is collectivist aka communist aka marxist by design and default.

[@JTNugget]

Marx was a Satanist so yes, I agree.

[@PanopticonMind]

Screw these wimps who run away at the first sign of legit rational opposition.

[@bjtucker5]

What... Like a leftist? 😏

[@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248]

😂 when u invoke Star Trek and your opponent knows more

[@kasperhornstrup]

He was a coward

[@NoThankYouToo]

Star Trek had one thing no government can ever have, and that’s a writing team that gets them out of any trouble or contradictions. The reason the government works in Star Trek is because they have a benevolent and all knowing god who solves all their problems and his name is Gene.

[@welshhibby]

The old “communism has never been done properly” 😂

[@chrtravels]

The fact that it hasn’t been means that it won’t be because it’s against human nature.

[@treadstoned9915]

"They were no true Scottsman!"

[@rofflesvanwagon]

Dude literally ran away 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️ 🏃‍♂️

[@ChuckChrome]

realizes he is getting it pushed in......quickly asks for a closing statement.

[@dracula3811]

This guy hasn't seen star trek at all. Lol

[@Randoverse]

Maybe only the new one. It's vastly different.

[@georgesnow797]

"I'm a Marxist, Lennonist, Christian". HOW SWAY?

[@bluearchangel0015]

4:53 "After the revolution" haha, like he'd make it though a revolution. 😂

[@bigol9223]

Uhhh as you heard him say to Greg, he is most definitely a man of the streets.

[@gabnash5998]

When you build you’re utopia on a bad interpretation of “Star Trek” and huffing you’re own farts

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

"the state becomes a vehicle of the working class" Me: can you leave me tf alone please?

[@stevendouglas3781]

Understandable, but the people who want to be left alone always fall victim to the ones who refuse to let them. Gotta be proactive.

[@dgulag3733]

I don't trust anyone with "Venti eyes"

[@PFCAhammed]

Omg Andrew with the "catch me outside, how bout dat?" 🤣

[@TheLogicalvoice-wj5yp]

He has no clue what he is talking about. The federation very much is the governing body and enforces laws and other criminal activity.

[@gkdaniels1]

This guy couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag.

[@bigol9223]

You gotta catch him OUTSIDE the paper bag

[@TheBriarWolf]

Gotta love when an emotional Trekkie fails to make distinction between fiction and reality. They always forget the scarcity issue was solved and that’s what allowed them to live so peacefully. The Replicator will just give you whatever you want for free…

[@lizafrench8455]

The replicator is what humans, earth, brought to the federation unlike any other Each race brought different things and have their own uniqueness and their tech operates differently. Take teleporters for examples, or cloaking devices, the weapons they use, etc function differently even their engines. That's kind of the point. Genius show. I may be mistaken on things so....😅

[@cmdrfunk]

It's not for free. It converted energy into matter. E=mc^2

[@sheepherder911]

@@cmdrfunk but where do they get the energy from? I have watched maybe one full episode of ST so I’m genuinely asking. Is it like an engine that runs on something or some kind of Infinite cold fusion device? Hamster on a wheel?

[@clo1298]

I really liked your Star Trek reference. He didn't though.

[@pulyus1]

Dude has no clue about Star Trek Cannon. I am sure he is all wrapped up in the modern Star Trek reimagining of things.

[@chrisbartolini1508]

I envy the confidence of a communist

[@darkgardener9577]

"Catch me outside how bout that!!"...... 🤣absolutely dying.

[@HasidicKaiju]

Star Trek was not a stateless society. The federation had governing bodies, they elected presidents! They had star fleet, a naval organization! What the fuck is this guy talking about?

[@johnsmith-he3rf]

"Dont tell me to calm down on 'MY' stream. "If youre against private property your a leftist, and I am a leftist" This guys a walking contradiction.

[@evbbjones7]

LOL, excellent point sir.

[@NoThankYouToo]

They ALL are. Every last one of them.

[@Nick-ij5nt]

"In order to abolish the state we first have to construct a state."

[@chrismonroe8417]

People who say “catch me on the streets” whilst being on TikTok Lives are HILARIOUS keyboard warriors. That’s the LEAST intimidating thing you could do.

[@JiggyGnorrus]

More Star Trek debates please, that was great.

[@christophermclaughlin6793]

magic is a prerequisite of the post scarcity society of star trek

[@sRaczzimillion]

I've been a Star Trek fan for years mainly I stick to Roddenberry/Bermin ST, DS9 is the goat in my opinion. Most of ST surrounds the military/exploration arm of the federation, which has a hierarchical structure, but when we focus on other side of the Federation, individual freedoms are still observed, every Federation Citizen has certain rights in their constitution, there is still private property, there is still a representative system, in the form of an elected Federation President. They have eliminated material need by means of technology, and the culture has evolved to grow as a human by bettering yourself. They still can barter and trade, if you're not in Star Fleet you don't have to abide by the Prime Directive. I watch Star Trek almost every day of my life, I know a lot about it, it in know way is a communistic ideology.

[@rgregoryful]

Marx and Lenin believed that GOD must be destroyed. I am now going out to the streets....

[@catearth8864]

Lmao even in Star Trek they couldn’t quite achieve “true” communism 😂

[@triacer8424]

He did not just refer to the United Federation of Planets as a stateless society.....wtf!

[@Speleomimus]

"Catch me in the streets" All 140lbs of him lol

[@RealCoachMustafa]

This guy watched Star Trek and said "this is what our society should strive for"

[@Casnazer]

It might be the coffee talking, but I loved this way too much.

[@devinplayseverything3764]

Plus you also have to deal with the borg

[@JD-xz1mx]

The Federation literally has a president.

[@johnycache]

I couldn't help getting a kind of tim heidecker trial vibe from you both discussing star trek in a 'serious situation'.

[@villainboxing4653]

These people are using a TV show to base society off of? Do they not know its pretend? LOL

[@design7054]

The mental gymnastics, good lord.

[@JBlakeS23]

In my 35 years I’ve never met a single person until now that has admittedly watched all the star treks…..

[@danomiller4798]

Andrew is a B E A S T

[@shamanahaboolist]

I was enjoying that conversation. Shame he closed it so early! I want to see you two hash it out you both are agile enough to have a solid debate on this and I will be very interested.

[@leviathen151]

"One day...Star Trek" and then proceeds to misrepresent Star Trek....

[@Salaisj1]

I honestly never thought Andrew would debate star trek

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

It's not that our successes are punishing to us, rather it's that our successes are not successes at all.

[@GlenMcGlone]

I dropped 70 iq points listening to this kid.

[@jakecolvin3167]

Your ideal government is Star Trek...... Okay, I think we're finished here.

[@seniorelzappo9919]

When you have to appeal to someone's understanding by using a star trek metaphor you know its going to be a long day !

[@johnhannibalsmith1607]

I just watched two grown men debate Star Trek in a serious tone. Hmm. 🤔

[@JC-YT04]

there was one time, i can't clearly remember, but I suspect it was The Crucible, where in one of their videos i was watching but didn't pay much attention to there was a radio-like content on the beginning. it was weird in the sense that i was ot expecting it, but i kind of enjoyed it. can anyone confirm this? because, maybe i was mistaken, maybe it was a different channel. i looked at The Crucible channel and was not able to look into any of their videos that had a radio-like content in the beginning.

[@Prft.MohammadSmith]

Socialism huh? What about Quark's bar, Picard's vineyard, Sisco's dad's restaurant, then there's intergalactic trading...

[@King0fAllPixels]

Lolol the star trek stuff had me rolling lol

[@Nicky_Dore]

Extinct in 3 decades?!??!? We only got 30 years left boys 😂

[@juzi68]

Wojak force is strong with this one!

[@Tehownilator]

“How can you call me a Stalinist, I don’t want dictatorship I want a completely stateless society.” Two seconds later.. “ why does it have to be completely stateless? Why does that even matter” , How about the question I just asked one question ago?

[@rgregoryful]

Marx and Lenin believed in evolution, and Communists always lie about being moral, so I call him a liar.

[@WW-bt3tx]

WRT this Star Trek reference I missed the part when he said that he had to watch the show. Explains the ignorance

[@SBU292]

You Better know all the facts and be ready to have a good Debate if your Debating Andrew Wilson

[@littletak9]

He heard those things superficially and thought he's an expert. When a real expert came, what he did was just like a 5 years old boy who picked up his ball, turned around and ran...

[@daviddiaz529]

"Don't bother with Leftists"-KGB

[@chrtravels]

I would like to see this conversation go further and not on his platform. He seems to get pissed off if he doesn’t control the flow of the conversation when it’s on his platform.

[@BryanPartington]

"CATCH ME ON THE STREET" I would love to see his reaction if this Greg did......

[@colbywood7667]

Getem Andrew!!!

[@drakusmero104]

"If you're against private property, then you are on the left." The leftist said, not I. Wild take

[@Hreodrich]

The thing I’ve never understood about hanging the solutions to any and all behavioral issues on the mechanism of material conditions is that by that assumption…the richest people in the world today ought not to engage in any anti social behavior because their material conditions are plentiful enough to alleviate any bad impulses that are basically asserted to be solely due to a lack of sufficient material conditions. At every strata of the class structure we see anti social and uncooperative behavior so how then is material the fix for this?

[@wafflesmcgallagher934]

Stateless like star trek Star trek's state would make me happy

[@docwhat8370]

That lad doesn't know his Star Trek lol.

[@Tony-fromBrooklyn]

Imagine if everyone argued about left and right 😂😊

[@aghostsreflection8598]

Greg is one of the best debaters on TikTok. Would love to see Andrew and him team up someday.

[@KurtisBlaine-fi9qb]

That was fucking hilarious. that guy was so out of his depth .

[@th0reodinsson547]

I know why the communist likes Star Trek. The distance between his eyes is warp-drive worthy and his head is as empty as space itself.

[@gusmanue8337]

Andrew stumped with the 1st question on enforcement lol

[@HaveButOneLife]

Star Trek isn't communist.

[@forgivemylaughterihaveacon2556]

How do you justify your epistemic principle? Star Trek

[@BigupSlime]

Leftist Marxist/Leninist invokes sci-fi “Star Trek” as a real-world option.

[@Debate_Pervert]

He was banking on you not being up to snuff on your Star Trek lore. 😂😂😂

[@josephrunfola309]

The guy that Andrews debating you could tell.He's heard of Star Trek before.Never seen it and heard some leftist.Talk about it in this type of form And was like aw hell.Yeah this is so true

[@WTFBUTWHY]

Of course Andrew knows about Star Trek. And of course he knows more than the person bringing it up!

[@Neon_White]

To grok how a stateless society can work you can look at the way single cells relate to each other in multicellular organisms, or how it works with bees, ants, and wasps. Authority is distributed between members. That means if you see problems occur, it is up to you to initiate procedure against the offender. Yes, this does rely on the membership of the commune to be essentially 100% good, just like your body or a hive is. Such a system would likely be impossible to apply to an existing population; it must evolve. As humans become more and more dependant on civilization, this evolution is probably inevitable. The more competing societies that exist, the faster this evolution will occur; the more globalized the world becomes the more this evolution will be stymied. The way this is happening in practice is that societies that have the less corruption will outcompete societies with more corruption, last longer and produce more individuals, therefore strengthening that tendency to resist corruption in the total gene pool. This means that the more humans choose to live packed together in cities, the more communist they will become. Given enough time we will develop societies so good that they will reflect the harmony you see within your body, and with the bees and the ants. It will never be perfect, but it will always approach perfection as long as natural selection stands. I dont know too much about Marxism/Leninism, but it seems like this is what they are grasping at, just incompetently. I seriously doubt humans have the capacity to simply create such a system by engineering it, any more than we could scoop up 100kg of bacteria and make an animal out of it.

[@MrSneakyPants]

He may have run, but at least he wasn't a child about it.

[@luxolontamo4440]

8:40 the basket ball analogy is deeply fallacious. Setting a goal towards 10/10 and falling short by one or two points isn't indicative of a "lack" nor how good you are if it's 100/100% it may well go up and down, but you still will be good at it which was the aim. Moreover, there's no such a thing as 10/10 the best at something but to achieve a stateless society he would have had to erased it a 100% aka completely for it to mean exactly that. Therefore, using his logic on his analogy is like saying "I don't have to have scored 100% of the hoops to have scored 100% of the hoops" because stateless society is just that, not the amount in which it got eroded.

[@xbulo5327]

"Why communism bad?" "You don't know shit about star trek." BTFO

[@rgregoryful]

Committing Seppuku is a tradition of a VERY hierarchal militaristic government with very defined morals. Why is he so ignorant?

[@franciss8507]

Andrew won the debate because he knew more about star trek. This world is done.

[@PunishedNiglord22]

Catch him in the STREEEETS!

[@crashtestdummy2337]

You can't be a christian and a communist. Those two ideologies are direct opposites of each other.

[@johncassell3362]

Ok.... Wtf is star feet? Like happy feet but with stars? What is happening? 😅

[@Channel_XIII]

I must have left the room when this went down.....Spock was "Head of Security" in the OG show..... Warf was "Head of Security" in next generation....though I think the expectations of starfleet was ALL personal were "Officers" capable of enforcement...iirc

[@cmdrfunk]

Can you believe the first chief of security on TNG before Worf was a woman? The flagship? Ridiculous.

[@Petter_GM]

Would love to see a long form debate between you two. He is one of the few commies I've seen that actually acts in good faith and seems to be somewhat knowledgeable

[@charleshill1906]

In Star Trek, Starfleet is the military and enforcement arm of the Federation. People still work, have jobs, earn income, create products, sell products, etc. Deep Space 9 is a perfect example of this. They still operate on a credit system and buy things with "chits" within their territories. They even engage in trade relations with other civilizations and organizations, most notably, the Ferengi which they trade a liquid metal known as "gold pressed latinum" that is incredibly rare and valuable. What this guy doesn't recognize is that TNG is an isolated experience cut off from the rest of the universe. They have a totally self sufficient, state of the art space ship that can create anything and go anywhere. It's basically a pleasure barge. Money doesn't exist on the Enterprise, because they are a military run exploration group that has to be entirely self sufficient, otherwise they'd have to return periodically to Starfleet docks to resupply. Which would cut down how effectively they could actually explore. Replicators are also dependent upon anti-matter. These aren't household items and there's no real canon lore which says everyone has access to one, just that they exist and Starfleet/Federation, Ferengi, and Cardassians are the only ones which have them. They have to be tightly controlled and highly regulated so that people can't just start making Starfleet uniforms, weapons, riches, etc. and destabilizing entire planetary civilizations. They also require a TON of maintenance. Star Trek is a highly liberalized society, probably the ideal, but it still has a state, it still has laws, there's still police and military, it still engages in empire building...

[@Steve-sg3uz]

Star Trek is an empire! Love it!

[@TheGogogwo]

Genuine question for anyone who sees this is Christianity and communism even compatible? If no how would you justify that its not.(No I am not a communist just want the argument)

[@ka0t1k1]

The core tenant of communism is that those without are justified in stealing from those that have.

[@cmdrfunk]

Thou shalt not steal

[@FranzFerdinand76]

The communist utopia of a stateless society depends on human beings essentially being perfect in their actions. Without sin if you will. Just as Andrew points out, you would need a state authority otherwise. As you probably know, Jesus said we are all sinners. You don't even need to be a Christian to recognize that humans will never evolve to the point of where no one ever does anything criminal, and everyone will give all they can and only take what they need. That's why everywhere it's tried the utopia never happens. Once the biggest thug gets the power, the big brother government lasts indefinitely. Notice the blond kid said send the dissidents to the brig. That's what Staling and Mao did. Actually, they just killed them. That statement was very telling of his mindset. He sounds like a wannabe commie thug in training. Telling the previous caller to "meet me on the streets" was also telling. And not very Christian of him btw.

[@oliround]

Imagine how low his testosterone levels are

[@gregorygant4242]

I think the Commie TikToker met his match there and decided to quit. A least he didn't cuss and throw insults to Andrew like most do , he left quietly ! This is how civilized men debate each other unlike the women .

[@semyaza555]

I actually agree with the weasel about Capitalism. Everything else he said was terrifying, and should make any rational person want Neo-McCarthyism.