Andrew Wilson VS. Muslim Lantern, Sort of?

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@payton21 3 ай бұрын

Perfect representation of Muslims.

@HashimTheRafidhi 3 ай бұрын

of Sunni muslims**

@drewstinson3901 3 ай бұрын

They act oddly joo-y.

@lightestline 3 ай бұрын

@wrestlingjudoms1302 I think anyone would get frustrated debating this guy. All he does is side step

@billmeh3187 3 ай бұрын

@@lightestline if he gets frustrated and gets emotional and childish then he's not ready to debate, specially in religions, which he lacks knowledge in.

@stevenpatrick9213 3 ай бұрын

He got frustrated because they Muslims was using taqqyia non stop.

@Sparkfist 3 ай бұрын

Nearly everytime I see a Muslim apologist. They obfuscate the real question or debate by pointing at Christianity and not defending Muslim positions.

@A-RedHerring 3 ай бұрын

It's why debating these fools is a waste of time. The religion is a joke.🤦🏿‍♂️

@wilder11 3 ай бұрын

They're proud of their deception oftentimes. Their god is known for being a great deceiver ain't he? So it follows.

@JudeKnowsWhatYouDoNot 3 ай бұрын

why do you think they point at christianity at all? its because the reasoning is the same.

@VainFriggus 3 ай бұрын

@@JudeKnowsWhatYouDoNotnope! They point at Christianity to obfuscate (:

@beishtkione24 3 ай бұрын

@@JudeKnowsWhatYouDoNot what is taqiyya?

@dantefierro9495 3 ай бұрын

A Muslim being disingenuous? No way 😂

@jasonmichaels1506 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@fastfootedone 3 ай бұрын

hard to believe heh!? lol

@jadedclone6728 3 ай бұрын

You can either be a good person, or a good muslim, but not both at once.

@antoniobanderas5316 3 ай бұрын

But that is because of you though!

@CheapGodiva 3 ай бұрын

It's literally a tenet of their faith to lie to advance Islam.

@ez2c83 3 ай бұрын

This passive aggressive muslim is so dishonest 😆 🤣 😂 Sneako you're lost man

@ShadyJay27 3 ай бұрын

Sneako has a front row seat to the demise of islam

@Escaped-FromHellview 3 ай бұрын

I agree, Muslim lantern is just this shit eating grin when he is lying , it’s how they all are, very cynical , being a legend in his own mind

@sionnach.1374 3 ай бұрын

All Muslims deceive. It is in they're nature They are thought it is a good to be dishonest

@klinikwildankualaberang6238 3 ай бұрын

lol at first andrew is a christian, when he cant defend christian he is an atheist. lol coward

@QassimQamr 3 ай бұрын

What did he lie about?@@Escaped-FromHellview

@ggodhand3559 3 ай бұрын

Muslim Lantern is a coward. He ran away from GodLogic too.

@mohamedadnane2386 3 ай бұрын

That's just a lie lol he couldn't name the schools of thought he said haddiths are nor sources

@geraldjepthas1559 3 ай бұрын

@mohamedadnane2386 did you read the guy comment you not answering him are all Muslims intellectual

@ic.xc. 3 ай бұрын

And Bob the Builder

@bintangkejora4996 3 ай бұрын

Godlogic for lost sheep not for human😂

@xpertdiate9982 3 ай бұрын

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@danielkeegan6002 3 ай бұрын

Crazy how ppl were supporting this guy in the rumble chat. Couldn’t even answer a simple question, should’ve been somebody else debating Andrew

@Yilto 3 ай бұрын

sneako is a muslim streamer not surprised his chat would support muslim lantern

@dirtymfdawg7654 3 ай бұрын

Should have asked them how old was Aisha according to the Solar Calendar lol. In today’s calendar she would be 5 at marriage and 8 at “consent”

@_uncredited 3 ай бұрын

Sneako spent a lot of time muting Christians in his chat. He eventually gave up when Jay Dyer was on because he couldn't keep up with the chatters turning on Lantern.

@Yilto 3 ай бұрын

@@_uncredited he muted me lmao

@DirewolfMemento 3 ай бұрын

You have to realize that you can't argue from a point of hypocrisy. Lets say you have a position that hamburgers are healthy, but you eat them all the time and are still over weight. And I say, "Okay, prove hamburgers are healthy instead of unhealthy." And you say "YOU CAN"T ASK ME THAT! YOUR FAT AND EAT LOTS OF GREESY FOOD." Proving someone is a hypocrite doesn't actually defend your point, and that was Andrews point. It's not a valid defense to point the blame elsewhere. So lantern avoided the question. Christianity had nothing to do with Islam and how Muhammud married Aisha at the Age of 6 years old and did her when she turned 9. There is a huge difference in a bad actor who claims to be a part of a religious group verses the guy who started the religious group. Muhammud actually was born a little under 600 years after Jesus. He was Ummi, meaning he was Illiterate. Galatians 1:6-9 "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." We were warned about Muhammud by the apostle Paul. Let me ask you something. Islam believes Jesus never died on the cross, but asked one of his disciples to take his place for free access to heaven. Then he used his "godly powers" to make him look like Jesus, then he ascended through the heaven through a hole in the ceiling. Like what? Which disciple did it? Because they all have accounts of their own. That's what the Gospel is. Just testimonies of the disciples. Let me ask you this. If someone was killed and you were asked to investigate, would you ask the eye witnesses who were there, which there were many, or would you ask the guy born almost 600 years in the future, couldn't read, and married a toddler. Islam is the ultimate "Source? Trust me, bro" religion.

@pinksupremacy6076 3 ай бұрын

I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim but the whole argument about "what-aboutism" is true. He refused to answer Andrew's question about the age of consent. "What about the Church fathers..."?" Yeah, what about them? They have nothing to do with the question. Very simple. Very dishonest. If people can't own up to their mistakes or shortcomings, you can't take them seriously.

@Gaga4Parma 3 ай бұрын

This was a Muslim vs Christian debate. It's one position vs another position. Andrew didn't want to debate using a Christian framework but he wanted to argue from a secular liberal position...and that doesn't work when all you talk about is dick size, vagina depth, pre-pubescentness of an individual. The problem is Andrew watched just the other day another Muslim debate on this topic and knows that the Christian framework doesn't conform to his secular liberal framework and he doesn't want to to have defend Christianity.

@VPortho 3 ай бұрын

@@Gaga4Parma You're clueless. This is not a "child marriage in Christianity vs Islam". The premise is child marriage IN ISLAM. It has nothing to do with Christianity and it's purely an attack/defend portion of the debate where Andrew doesn't need to establish a position to defend. However, it would've been in reverse with the Trinity portion where Andrew would've only defended it and ML wouldn't have needed to establish a position either. This debate is purely about internal critique. 2. Which part of Andrew's framework is secular and liberal? Have you ever even heard of this thing called internal critique?

@malcolmkellogg1710 3 ай бұрын

@@VPortho excellent work explaining. Debate terms are supposed to be worked out prior. It’s even more important to stick with them when you have a biased host. Which isn’t necessarily a problem, if things are done within a previously agreed-upon framework.

@jenniferbond5771 3 ай бұрын

Then shut it. No one cares about ur ops .

@justineshalaj9623 3 ай бұрын

@@VPortho🎉😂

@Wowowo7591 3 ай бұрын

Sneako doesn't realize he's in over his head, he's becoming the poster boy for jhad whether he realizes it or not.

@fastfootedone 3 ай бұрын

yah he's making horrible decisions -- used to like the guy

@sscr1p7 3 ай бұрын

Poster boy for jihad 🤣😂 as though jihad is something bad.

@treadstoned9915 3 ай бұрын

@@sscr1p7 yeah that's almost like saying Crusades were bad.

@robinsss 3 ай бұрын

Will. Andrew ever stop using name calling ?

@Wowowo7591 3 ай бұрын

@@sscr1p7 well that's mighty inbred of ya to say 👀

@Jacques.Smith_ 3 ай бұрын

Taqyia - a principle in the Quran that allows them to lie if it benefits Islam. Allah refers to himself as the greatest of deceivers. Sounds like Satan talking to me.

@h3ad_tv 3 ай бұрын

According to scholarly and judicial consensus, taqiyya is only justified when the believer faces an unavoidable danger, and not when they face relatively tolerable punishments like flogging or temporary imprisonment. It's also not considered a license to shallowly profess one's faith. Instead, taqiyya often emphasizes considering the community's welfare over one's own.

@IndiaNumberOneCoubtry 3 ай бұрын

@@h3ad_tv'God says I can lie if my life is on the line' isn't a whole lot better. Plus, you're acting like this is the only gripe with Islam. Jizya tax? Death penalty for apostates? Killing gays? Making women wear burkhas? Marrying multiple women? The kabbah being an idol? It's pagan origin? Lol should I keep going

@wilder11 3 ай бұрын

@@h3ad_tv An open door is open to all, not just who you want. The writings can say what they like, but the practice speaks for itself. Muslim apologists lie often, are encouraged to lie by their superiors, while many in the faith are discouraged from even reading their holy book. So taqyia can be anything the leaders want. And we're seeing it in action here.

@h3ad_tv 3 ай бұрын

@@wilder11 they literally want you to memorize the Quran if you're able? Where did you get this crazy idea that they discourage reading it?

@h3ad_tv 3 ай бұрын

@@wilder11 can you give me a source on any other claims you've made

@wizard4203 3 ай бұрын

"I never agreed to be civil." Andrew is the best.

@alpharella_ai 3 ай бұрын

It’s really nice to get this masterclass in debate tactics for free - what a tease for the course! I’m really intrigued to sign up now! 🤩

@rizwanramzan5729 3 ай бұрын

Is Andrew man enough to debate Jake? Jake will intellectual destroy Andrew and respond to Andrew's disrespect.. Andrew will be exposed as a weak Loser... Muslim Lantern is too nice for Andrew.. Jake will slap Andrew around...

@marouan-sa86 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Andrew this angry

@rz2470 3 ай бұрын

@@rizwanramzan5729 Tell that Jake-meta bootato to come to C P next stream. And C P will smoke that Jake bootato.

@MRHUSKL 3 ай бұрын

@rz2470 Haha C P is that all .... 😅😅

@morenpchangjw8868 3 ай бұрын

Sneako is such a simp for those that he puts on a pedestal 😂

@aqeebshahbaz3306 3 ай бұрын

Bro what has sneako done in this debate for you to mention him infact honestly speaking he was a fair moderator he even tried to side with Andrew to explain to Muslim lantern to talk about the age of consent without mentioning Christianity

@anglo5744 3 ай бұрын

@@aqeebshahbaz3306 sneako is a fraud

@morenpchangjw8868 3 ай бұрын

@aqeebshahbaz3306 you must have not been listening then because Sneako was fully aware of the specific topic debate, but wanted to pander to his Muslim brother who could has no idea how to have any sort of debate on specific topic. He was not a good moderator because he could not even comprehend the logic of debating as Andrew put forth and didn't even attempt to direct the conversation to the specific topic they agreed upon ahead of time. A good moderator does allow people to talk freely, but also keeps the conversation from veering off into left field from the topic in debate.

@CccKkkk-f4j 3 ай бұрын

Lmao, now his dad Andrew tate gor raided. Atleast andrew tate is a muslim for personal gain, he domt belive thay bullshit.

@TommyGunz327 3 ай бұрын

Sneako is a coward. I’m sure he is being paid by CAIR and or the Muslim brotherhood.

@SnakeCallahan 3 ай бұрын

Sneako is possibly a liar, definitely out of his depth. It appeared to me while watching the debate, the two muslims had no intention to honestly engage. The lack of critical thinking is shocking.

@cantthinkofaname750 3 ай бұрын

I think sneako is too smooth brained to be a snake 😭😭😭

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

He did the same thing to "arab" and "youngdonreborn".

@bloodaonadeline8346 3 ай бұрын

muslims are never honest

@semyaza555 3 ай бұрын

@@cantthinkofaname750He’s a useful idiot.

@nothingspecial1241 3 ай бұрын

Islam allows you to lie to protect it. It's called taquiya

@JohanVonTrollenspiel 3 ай бұрын

Islam taking another L

@gadzillaverzilla1979 3 ай бұрын

Yes, that L stands for LEAD! 🤣

@10እውነታወች 3 ай бұрын

@@gadzillaverzilla1979kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGGXn6WJqduKn9Usi=MsUOkpRUIsiwn53A

@ayishabehardien6310 3 ай бұрын

In your dreams...

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

Yup Bcz we never expected Christians to convert to athiest, hindu, and satanists as and when they want

@i.f.a2132 3 ай бұрын

There is something called the process of elimination! If you eliminate an argument/claim as truth, than you make your own yet to be debunked claim/argument more likely to be true! Many people in the world hold the Christian marriage content to be moral, you prove this to be moral, or a position held, and you prove that Muslims believe in something practicing Christians should also believe is moral! Process of elimination! If your proselytizing, famous and wide-spread worldview is not true, than mine proselytizing, famous and wide-spread worldview is more likely to be true! ML didn't HAVE to bring up Christianity, he just wanted to, and he should as well! Andrew shouldn't get to dictate what positions ML is allowed to attack! If Andrew thinks the Christian age of marriage is irrelevant, than he can simply ignore it during his counters, not shut his opponent up! That's some pathetic cowardly free-speech killing BS!

@DanAdlingtonOnline 3 ай бұрын

Muslim Lantern's Debate style is to change the circumstances of the debate in his favour, to create the impression the other side are incompetent and to attack Christianity at every opportunity. He used to get away with it then he met Andrew Wilson. A REAL debater.

@nothingspecial1241 3 ай бұрын

Bruv Christian Prince fries him out the water.

@DanAdlingtonOnline 3 ай бұрын

@@nothingspecial1241 Good

@thomasjpill 3 ай бұрын

Thats what muslim apologist try to do now. It actually shows they cant defend their position without attacking to look good

@mosaif_mudawi 3 ай бұрын

Dude, by his own confession, he is not a debater.

@klinikwildankualaberang6238 3 ай бұрын

lol name is paleochristian , then suddenly become atheist what a joke, you cant defend you own book age of consent for marriage. just burn the bible. you guys dont even read it

@Dj84JA2 3 ай бұрын

They aren't stupid, they know what they are doing.

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

They ARE stupid, AND they know what they are doing.

@monsterhuntervideos4446 3 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter. If one lies, straw mans and introduces logical fallacies they should be supposed to be stupid, unless they admit they're deliberately deceiving, which would cause them to lose. Deceivers will always appear to be stupid.

@Dj84JA2 3 ай бұрын

@@monsterhuntervideos4446 Yes, of course, but people who deceive will not admit that they're deceiving. It's counter productive to the strategy.

@amiraconrad8648 3 ай бұрын

Finally someone with a correct comment! You're right. Mohamed is very smart

@i.f.a2132 3 ай бұрын

@masked7455 3 ай бұрын

ML was suppose to be on defense, no need to bring up anything else except your religion to defend it. Andrew was willing to do the same thing on the trinity. L MUSLEMS

@ilh656 3 ай бұрын

No, that's not a rule that needs to be followed - Andrew can follow it if he wants, but it would be better if he followed other rules about not screaming and swearing like a hormonal simp/feminist. Andrew can bring up Muslim arguments when he is defending the Trinity - he won't find any.

@masked7455 3 ай бұрын

@@ilh656 bro still can’t comprehend it, you also can’t change the terms of the debate while in the middle of having the debate. That’s dumb

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

@@ilh656It is. ML, sneako and andrew agreed on this.

@Ac-ip5hd 3 ай бұрын

@@ilh6561. It is when you are defending a position in formal debate. It was literally defense of the age of consent and and defense of the Trinity w/out bringing ip the other side. Andrew spelled that out at the outset and they both agreed to that, then he changed after the opening and they appealed to the title. Sneako was guilty and quiet when Andrew called him on it then he followed ML’s lead. 2. It wasn’t a liberal or atheist position. It was internal critique from ML’s MUSLIM position that as long as a girl is pubescent and not harmed the marriage is moral because she is a woman. Andrew is playing the role of a Muslim examining the evidence that harm is caused no matter what at 9 years old from penetration, pregnancy, and mental trauma. By proving this the rules of going this young with puberty was wrong and Muhammed is wrong by his own standard, and the ancient and Christian world that had marriage as young as twelve but forced a separated waiting period until at least 15 for consummation. But that’s irrelevant to the internal critique. A pdf Thailander that pimps their own chillun’ can still show Muhammed is a pdf just like them and caused harm, and violates their standard. ML just wanted to eat the clock and deflect and Sneako wanted to help. And you guys bought the BS they sold.

@AlonzoHarris235 3 ай бұрын

@@masked7455 There was no change. The Christian couldn’t have a civilised discussion and kept interrupting. He is ashamed of Christianity. You think this is a good luck for Christianity. A Christian who pretend to be an atheist when debating a Muslim. The same Christians that claim that atheism is not a criteria for morality.🥴🤣

@chriswalsh6893 3 ай бұрын

I mean, I guess this guy is either a bad actor or not smart enough to realize that you’re supposed to defend your position not attack mine say he was debating someone who wasn’t Christian none of that would mean anything

@SuperJasinder 3 ай бұрын

No Muslim is honest to other non-Muslims, because their golden rule permits them not to be.

@sscr1p7 3 ай бұрын

Showing clear hypocrisy in ones belief is completely reasonable here. Sure, you can defend your belief... But in the same breath I am defending it why? Because the opposition is saying we are pedophiles who think it ok to marry children. So we will defend our belief, and then show you in your own text that these marriages were sound for 1900 years. The benefit of exposing the hypocrisy or ignorance is apodictic.

@_uncredited 3 ай бұрын

@@sscr1p7 Look up "appeal to hypocrisy fallacy". You're just wrong.

@Thomas-ps9qk 3 ай бұрын

@@sscr1p7 this is dumb and has nothing to do with actual intelligence and integrity. The point is, if your beliefs are so strong reasonable and self evident you don’t have to prove your position by attacking someone’s presumed position. It’s the logic of a child with their hand caught in a cookie jar. “Why did you take a cookie?” “He took a cookie too!” “That has nothing to do with what I asked you” “Yes it does!” Don’t be a child

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

NOPE lol 😂 watch the video kiddo the first 2 mins of the video about interruption! And AGREED TO IT LOL 😂 AND HE ANSWERD HIS QUESTION ON THE AGE KF CONSENT THIS VIDEO CLIPPED THE PART OUT THAT HE ANSWERS LOL ML ANSWERED HIS QUESTION DUMMY WATCH THE FULL VID NEXT TIME BUD

@leradmuiel7634 3 ай бұрын

It turned into Meta talk because Andrew opening was way too strong. The slimeball attempted to change the rules midway, pretended the debate topic was always a Cristian Vs Muslim thing instead, resorted to whataboutism, and claimed he can talk about whatever during his 45 min. The dude was a clown and he made the religion he was defending look horrid. Pro tip- it is.

@DirewolfMemento 3 ай бұрын

Surah Al-Tawbah 9:29 "Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." The Jizyah tax was only used on Christians and Jews for protection. Basically, the strategy is to obfuscate, prattle, and wear down your opposition until they are exhausted (because they can't use logic to convince people) and give up do to filibustering the time.

@sowhat... 3 ай бұрын

@@DirewolfMemento what does the scripture you provided have to do with your conclusion?

@anneominous7172 3 ай бұрын

Have yet to see a Muslim answer a question about Islam straight up and honestly.

@laithababneh1583 3 ай бұрын

have yet to see a Christian make sense of their core beliefs

@Sentinel82 3 ай бұрын

Because the Quran states that it is okay to lie in the name of Allah

@Sentinel82 3 ай бұрын

@@laithababneh1583 But you're probably in the camp that doesn't even know what a woman is so you probably can't make sense of anything.

@clean_boost117 3 ай бұрын

"what about the Christians tho"

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

@@laithababneh1583 No, you have yet to make sense of christian beliefs because you struggle intellectually and have no spiritual light. Your lack of understanding is not an argument.

@6jando6 3 ай бұрын

That dude was soooo disingenuous. The moderator was ridiculous.

@mattbryant8656 3 ай бұрын

It's sneako he converted 2 Islam has 2 be a good little Muslim lapdog ya kno

@Bulletproof_Trump 3 ай бұрын

Can't call Sneak0 a moderator. He's a functional moron. They needed an atheist to do this to remain unbiased

@bryanb1227 3 ай бұрын

the moderator is a recent convert to islam, so he does have a bias to the religion

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

Yup disingenuous Noone expected a Christian to convert his religion mid conversation

@i.f.a2132 3 ай бұрын

@PineappAlSauce 3 ай бұрын

Sneako lowering Andrew’s volume and raising his and ML’s in his stream was hilarious to watch. Really projects strength and confidence 😂

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

Nah anderw is just speaking so loudly and shouting thus lowering his voice needed , he got so mad cuz he knew what was coming for him 🤣

@PineappAlSauce 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh cope harder; it’s fun to watch 😅

@treadstoned9915 3 ай бұрын

May Allah mute his mic lol

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

@@PineappAlSauce you can literally rewatch the video am not coping

@SKyshaft 3 ай бұрын

Muslim just uses the time to prattle and waffle, he's beat and knows it.

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

Yeah use your little statements if it gives you comfort

@laithababneh1583 3 ай бұрын

and yet still Christianity is losing more and more followers by the years

@SKyshaft 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh weak reply.

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

@@laithababneh1583 keep yapping the same preprogrammed talking points, won't make your ass-brained religion any truer.

@alexandersabadus8923 3 ай бұрын

@@laithababneh1583so is Islam. Most Muslim countries don’t even know how many they have since everyone claims they are to not face punishment

@ohgodyeahgamer2987 3 ай бұрын

Actually painful listening to Muslims

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

Yeah the truth hurts

@gregorygant4242 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh Yes it does it burns like Hell !

@Sentinel82 3 ай бұрын

Remember the Quran says it's okay to lie and be dishonest in the name of Allah

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahrehthats why muslims always obfuscate and avoid it in these debates.

@ataly2639 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh Keep beliving in your religion built by lies and deception.

@patrickrobie1592 3 ай бұрын

This is pathetic Sneako doing pathetic back stabbing . They still didn’t win 🏆 the Argument Andrew The Goat

@amiraconrad8648 3 ай бұрын

He's a goat from running from the topic?!🤔😂🤦‍♀️ he's ignorant as h*ll😅

@SeanWinters 3 ай бұрын

Eh, not the greatest of all time. Cliffe Knechtle is better at making argumentation, Andrew is just better at bloodsport.

@i.f.a2132 3 ай бұрын

@saeedkhalil85 3 ай бұрын

Watch the unedited debate which shows Andrew getting his ass handed to him

@patrickrobie1592 3 ай бұрын

@@saeedkhalil85 it’s a pain to find

@darkrot824 3 ай бұрын

I can’t tell which is more obnoxious: Muslim apologists or woke secularists.

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

2 billion christians who are afraid of explaining Christianity

@MarcoPolo898zz 3 ай бұрын

Muslim apologists are more immoral

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh go watch Muslim L's debate with Jay Dyer today if you want to see how Muslim L copes when a Christian explains chistianity.

@LukeSchmidt89 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahrehgo put a vest on and go meet your virgins

@ataly2639 3 ай бұрын

@@rasheedzawahreh I see Muslims run from debates more than I see Christians lmao

@jordonschneider8777 3 ай бұрын

Wow, that was super frustrating to listen to. L muslims

@moeezawan2329 3 ай бұрын

Yeah coz biz dimwit christian interrupts all the time.

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

Have u watched the full vid? Or just this? Terms were put forward first Also how u expect muslims to respond when Christians converts their religion mid conversation to win

@jordonschneider8777 3 ай бұрын

@@Talisman-fx8xg no, yes and wtf are you even saying lol Muslims took a MASSIVE L

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

@jordonschneider8777 what do u mean "wtf"? He converted his religion in the debate multiple times, Just to win Its disingenuous considering its Christian vs. Islamic debate U can't qns age of consent As islam nor Christianity have age of consent 2ndly, puberty is the baseline criteria for both the religion and islam got a few add ons on top of it How r u gonna argue about smthg u itself believe in? U can say L as u r clearly biased This isn't an L for Christianity but a massive L for andrew for throwing Christianity under the bus🤷🏻‍♂️ Blud was so determined to win that he even quit Christianity U said it's frustrating by watching 20 mins of a 1+ hour vid cropped as per the liking of a channel?

@nahkaboltsi6315 3 ай бұрын

common muslim L

@Hertz2laugh 3 ай бұрын

Securing the debate rules in writing would have prevented all of this. Andrew could have just brought up the *_EXACT_* wording that was agreed upon.

@ReplacedByTheEU 3 ай бұрын

@@Hertz2laughuntil now there was no issue

@nahkaboltsi6315 3 ай бұрын

@@NebulaNomad9 HABIBIBBIBIBI 🤣 cmon man why are you not MOHAMMAD or is it only your second name? also i did watch the "debate" p L antern only obfuscated and ran like a coward

@LightOfAllMankind 3 ай бұрын

@@NebulaNomad9Andrew has stated his religion in the past many times.

@_Stilo 3 ай бұрын

@@nahkaboltsi6315- 😂 let them believe their own lies. They’ll take that to the grave. Just remember if you know you know. Carry that with you forever.

@maxbarnes3967 3 ай бұрын

Muslim prattle

@brettfire83 3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a middle eastern snack lol

@billmeh3187 3 ай бұрын

Now this thug guy on the left represents Christianity?? What a low bar for the Christians!

@loganlee5875 3 ай бұрын

The one with almonds is the best!@@brettfire83

@HashimTheRafidhi 3 ай бұрын

Sunni Prattle*

@semyaza555 3 ай бұрын

@@HashimTheRafidhi All of it is ridiculous. Muhammad is not someone who should be emulated.

@bobbydank5575 3 ай бұрын

Shows you how bad faith all Muslims are on these subjects.

@rasheedzawahreh 3 ай бұрын

It only shows andrew's disability to explain the christian position

@Hassan-t4s 3 ай бұрын

because they expose your hypocrisy? that's why you mad ...like when you call out Islam for killing as soon we call out killing babies in the old testament you as a Christian start crying calling it what aboutism and not fair .... that is why Christianity died in the west and know one take it serious including you ...that is why Christians themselves mock Jesus in the Olympics because it is a joke faith

@primis1710 3 ай бұрын

How so tho, that guy don't want Christianity to be brought up while the other guy didn't mind talking about both religions

@ZacchaeusENTR 3 ай бұрын

@@primis1710It’s a debate trick that the Muslim was using in order to divert the topic.

@primis1710 3 ай бұрын

@@ZacchaeusENTR how so he legit said he will answer it from the islamic perspective as he did many times before btw while the other guys refuse to do so, he even refuse both debaters to have equal time so he can interrupt just like how he did 😂 You can't have a debate about morality cases without going into morality standards

@mitchlymer 3 ай бұрын

Huge L for Sneako, this was so transparent.

@i.f.a2132 3 ай бұрын

@hasnamax1649 3 ай бұрын

I watched all the debate... Andrew was so scared of his own religion... common u can't be that blind

@mitchlymer 3 ай бұрын

@@hasnamax1649 Huh? Andrew gave the same 45 minutes for Lantern to interrogate the Trinity. You're just lying bro

@hasnamax1649 3 ай бұрын

@@mitchlymer I tagged you in the full debate video not just a careful cut ... watch it and u will see that the Muslim was answering him and Andrew freaked out when he brought Christianity...why was he scared of his own religion...I can not accept the double standard if something is wrong it stays wrong no matter what is the religion

@mitchlymer 3 ай бұрын

@@hasnamax1649 Now watch the video called Muslim Lantern Contradicts Himself Against Andrew Wilson. The exact standard you're setting for Andrew, Lantern argues against. He says if he asks a question about Christianity and they answer about Islam instead of defending the accusation. Then it shows a fundamental insecurity in their religion. Boom bro, you just cooked yourself. You don't know what a neutral position is.

@Alldredge 3 ай бұрын

Dyer was a saint to stay online with this guy. He’s a snake

@Madenewhope 3 ай бұрын

The problem is Lantern likes lying.

@TheTrueMendoza 3 ай бұрын

It really puts things into perspective. I often judge Jay for being short-fused, but it really must be so frustrating living in a world full of intellectually incompetent people.

@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy 3 ай бұрын

@@TheTrueMendozawell and to be honest I’m straight up tired of toothless Christians getting jeered and laughed at and just taking it. It’s not “turning the other cheek” to sit there and lose endless debates and fail to represent Christianity positively because you can’t talk louder and more aggressively so you just get steamrolled. Wilson and Dyer are a breath of fresh air after all my years of Protestantism

@xravenx24fe 3 ай бұрын

@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy Those Christians are all selfish. They impose arbitrary social standards on themselves solely for personal piety gain. They think being a doormat means heaven points, or rather, being contrary to a doormat and being aggressive may be sinful. They care more about their own piety than defending God. It's abominable

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

So Muslim L came on to debate the terms of the debate because he needs whataboutism to make his argument? What a fascinating mind.

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

@@almedinradoncic3904 That part is corrupted.

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@@bigol9223 lol I’m sure it is

@Ninjagaiden3000 3 ай бұрын

Sneako should have done lots of research on Andrew before the debate. This is the second time sneako failed to stipulate the term on such a debate. I’m Muslim btw

@aqeebshahbaz3306 3 ай бұрын

Are you? But to answer your point it is evident with their discussion that he attempted to do that but it didn’t work out well

@Ninjagaiden3000 3 ай бұрын

@@aqeebshahbaz3306 Im a Muslim from Ghana and I dont know how to proof that to u. Sneako did the same thing with sheik uthman a Christian YT streamer and it ended up being a discussion.

@aqeebshahbaz3306 3 ай бұрын

@@Ninjagaiden3000 ok since you brought up the Muslim card to justify your point then I will do the same because as a Muslim who is in Makkah who just did his umrah I mean so what who cares what sneako did what does the moderator do matter I am talking about the debate between Andrew Wilson and Sneako and even if it was a two in one which it isn’t talking about another person from what a recent convert to Islam who dosn’t know that much about the faith and wasn’t really involved in the debate and I am pointing out inconsistency’s by the fact he himself contradicts himself when you look at the two debates I recommend you watch them and you will see his divine command theory argument with his debate with Dave Smirh that he used to argue against objective morality and his debate with destiny on insurrection about jan 7th in which he didn’t bother giving his justification on what a inseruesction is and was just countering his destiny’s definition which if you watch them even an idiot will find the inconsistency of his arguments and see his hypocrisy

@ivanolivarez5895 3 ай бұрын

W take

@thebridge707 3 ай бұрын

The fact is the terms were already set. These are just dishonest Muslims because they just need Tell 51 percent more truth then lies and still get the virgins in heaven

@yodison666 3 ай бұрын

Sneako banned me from his chat for calling this shit out lmao

@tariqbatarseh6382 2 ай бұрын

You know he is a Muslim now and siding with those

@akablondie9346 3 ай бұрын

Notice how slowly Islam has been turning sneako into a dishonest snake. Islam is the slime the serpent leaves in his wake

@Brock-l3u 3 ай бұрын

Muslim L

@OsamaJabr-o4y Ай бұрын

Why and how and if u didn't even watch the 1 hr version please stop talking 😂

@Daniel--tj8qe 3 ай бұрын

Why is Sneako moderating, he is absolutely terrible

@MrMagic8000 3 ай бұрын

I have never seen muslim lantern debate anything, he just avoids the point each time and then the entire debate is wasted on him moaning and prattling. No idea how anyone can watch him.

@riasimpson3874 3 ай бұрын

I saw some of his prattle Saturday on Andrew's debate prep. GodLogic has the patience of a saint.

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@nasirlabaran4793 2 ай бұрын

That shows ignorance. You probably never watched his videos

@MrMagic8000 2 ай бұрын

@@nasirlabaran4793 This is literally a video with him in it... and he avoids everything.

@nasirlabaran4793 2 ай бұрын

@@MrMagic8000 watch the full debate. They have edited this.

@ChronicDreamer1st 3 ай бұрын

Muslim Whataboutism is legendary. Anyone who’s ever argued with them online knows exactly what I’m talking about.

@1993muth 3 ай бұрын

Pointing out hypocracy is realy what it is

@gucciadjective7745 3 ай бұрын

The moment they cant answer a question "But Christianity!" Then if you explain yiu aren't a Christian "oh godless atheist" and they just implode. Brainless

@arfanul-haq7682 3 ай бұрын

Ur sooo right... Cos u just can't let them expose ur position

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@gadzillaverzilla1979 3 ай бұрын

No one know what you're talking about! Dummy! 🤣

@BabyXiuhcoatl 3 ай бұрын

Sneako is no moderator at all.

@kasperhornstrup 3 ай бұрын

Hahahaha Andrew you are a Saint with these children 😂

@topseeyyykrett5298 3 ай бұрын

Typical Islam L

@j2shoes288 3 ай бұрын

I hope and pray You never accept islam, inshallah

@darckeflex9782 3 ай бұрын

If it is did then why wasn't Andrew defending it and why was he interrupting the other one saying his points then he leaves and says that he got kicked when they were recording that Andrew left on his own and they were trying to get him back to the debate but he didn't agree then just left like man he can't even defend his religion to the point Andrew started calling himself an Atheist at some point then The Muslim Lantern says that they should do a timer so that nobody interrupts cause Andrew kept acting disrespectful then interrupts but Andrew kept saying no no no we don't need that I wasn't interrupting was I?

@adoniplaitis4765 3 ай бұрын

@@darckeflex9782 how are you this dumb bro?

@shumesy 3 ай бұрын

@@darckeflex9782literally the first 50% of the video is Andrew quite clearly explaining why he wasn't answer the questions. I'll restate because apparently you listen just as good as Muslim lantern, it's because the questions were all red herrings that were only asked to move the conversation away from the actual debate topic. He literally spelt it out for you, and for Muslim lantern, multiple times. Did shatan piss in your ears?? The better question is why did Muslim lantern keep trying to defect from the actual debate and not engage Andrew in a good faith debate??

@darkdragonmoderator5504 3 ай бұрын

@shumesy I'm an actual debater who does debate club irl against other teams etc. Andrew is in the wrong here. He claims Muslim lantern is bringing up strawman arguments and what about isms. This is not the case for this particular debate. What Muslim lantern is doing here is defending Islam's position on the age of consent by bringing up the Christian position on the age of consent, which btw agrees with Islamic age of consent. This is 100% relevant, because it is establishing fundamentally that both Andrew and the Muslim Lantern already agree on the age of consent , otherwise why would the Muslim lantern need to defend his position when Andrew already agrees with him (given the fact that he derives his morality from the Bible anyway.) This is like if the debate was about 1+1=2, but your opponent ALREADY agrees with you that 1+1=2. What's the point of then debating? If we already agree that 1+1=2, I shouldn't have to defend my position to you. I've already won on the basis that you fundamentally agree with me already. The point of the debate is to convince the other of the age of consent. If Muslim lantern can prove that Andrew already agrees with his position, then there's nothing to defend. Andrew's already convinced.

@masked7455 3 ай бұрын

It’s honestly insane how ML can’t understand that you can critique a position even if you don’t have one, it’s called a “internal critique”.

@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p 3 ай бұрын

If you haven't noticed nobody seems to understand that. You say something bad about feminism or female behavior and you're now suddenly a sexist

@masked7455 3 ай бұрын

@@AndreiGeorgescu-j9pit’s crazy a lot of people don’t understand this, you can tell cause sneaks chat were sucking ML off the whole time like he’s winning haha

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. I went into this guy called RAMI ALZAHALEEL or smn like that and this guy DHK or DKT or DHT Potter told me YOU OUGHT TO CRITIQUE SOMEONE ELSE position using YOUR OWN MORAL BELIEFS. I had to explain to the guy that it is usually a waste of time to do so. If my belief is anything Arab bad, and that's my subjective belief, why would me subjective belief matter to a Muslim?? If my belief was Christian and lying is wrong no matter what, but Muslims have the taqyjr law or whatever, why would that mater? They believe my world view is wrong anyway, since only one of us can be right. That's why Andrew always uses internal critiques. It's better to prove that even within their own moral view, that thing is immoral or wrong. Becuase only their moral view actually matters. The guy was nice and respectful but I don't feel like it was a hard concept to grasp.

@bigol9223 3 ай бұрын

He understands, he's just a Muslim wannabe Destiny.

@sscr1p7 3 ай бұрын

@@bigol9223a wannabe destiny? 🤣 Who would wanna be that?

@justanotherlikeyou 3 ай бұрын

Without lies Islam dies and all that

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@justanotherlikeyou 3 ай бұрын

@@almedinradoncic3904 Islamacope

@gadzillaverzilla1979 3 ай бұрын

Even without lies and Islam, Christianity still dies!

@chadigueder1352 2 ай бұрын

Everyone will die eventually but Islam will never die buddy.

@OsamaJabr-o4y Ай бұрын

Okay so can u explain to me how andrew wants to say that islam is false religion by saying that the prophet pbuh did pedophilic actions(which is not true and I can prove it to u ) even though priests in churches used to do actual pedophilic actions. That like saying X is immoral and X is present in both religions but only one side takes all the criticism even though that one side isn't really that way and I can prove it while the other side actually is 🤷

@poshvibes4021 3 ай бұрын

All these comments are so illogical. I say X is immoral. I engage in X. The outcomes of this are: A/ X is immoral, as am I. B/ X is not immoral, and neither am I. Once you establish I am doing X, then me criticising you for X becomes hypothetical, unless I also criticise myself. When speaking about morality, it exists within a wider world morality. If that wider world morality is the same morality, to subjectively criticise the microcosm morality is completely illogical. All these comments come from tribalism, and the exact thing we Muslims experience time, after time, after time......hypocrisy. It reeks, and it is pathetic and weak.

@AutisticAryan 3 ай бұрын

That guy was not prepared for Andrew lol

@billmeh3187 3 ай бұрын

Because Andrew is a 🤡

@AutisticAryan 3 ай бұрын

@@billmeh3187 Oh good one, clown.

@Ac-ip5hd 3 ай бұрын

He was, that’s why he changed the debate after the opening to derail it and act out a fake w with that lying sack Sneako. He prepares for his lying Dawah script and avoiding any real critique and argument.

@HaveAHuff 3 ай бұрын

Not even a little bit @@billmeh3187

@HaveAHuff 3 ай бұрын

Not even a little bit. The terrorist refused to engage. @@billmeh3187

@HellonearthlABB 3 ай бұрын

They don't have the intellectual capacity to understand how a debate works, for them it's no different then a bar talk

@acul_nick9131 3 ай бұрын

Nice profile pic

@stevendouglas3781 3 ай бұрын

False. It’s called lying and misrepresentation.

@Verbs2007 3 ай бұрын

These Muslim apologists are premium tap dancers, smh.

@marouan-sa86 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Andrew this angry

@ace9924 3 ай бұрын

@marouan-sa86 thats because he's debating with a moron. If he got someone like Khalil andani or Javad hashmi who can defend the positions he's talking about then it's a good debate. This dude doesn't know the Quran and instead churns out satanic hadiths and trinity criticisms. I say this as a Mumin, mainstream sunnis can't argue for shit.

@Byorin 3 ай бұрын

I’m neither Christian nor Muslim, yet I’m baffled how every Muslim I’ve watched over decades is so terrible at doing a proper debate. Seriously, how are they so bad at this?!

@TrumpFanClubDeutschland 3 ай бұрын

Because islam is indefensible

@Byorin 3 ай бұрын

@@TrumpFanClubDeutschland maybe you’re right, but I’m talking about them not understanding how debates work or how deflection and dishonesty undermine the listeners’ patience and trust in what (edit: they are) saying.

@TrumpFanClubDeutschland 3 ай бұрын

@@Byorin I think they understand very well how debating works. If they would be honest, they would have to admit that their cult is evil. They dont wanna do this, so they behave like this Lantern guy or any other one of them. Their cult is allowing this behavior. From their pov, they did nothing wrong.

@illyrian9976 3 ай бұрын

If you had to defend the position that 2+2=5, then you obviously couldn't debate fairly aince you would lose. Instead you would have to rely on lies, falacies and avoiding questions.

@christianjensen9174 3 ай бұрын

True

@medievalknievel 3 ай бұрын

Weak men always wiggle when questions become pointed requiring accurate precise answers

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

How can u defend if u don't know the opposition A Christian turned athiest and then back to Christian, and so on Who r they talking to?

@nick191088 3 ай бұрын

This is why having an unbiased moderator is essential.

@notsure7158 3 ай бұрын

You will never find an honest Muslim willing to debate anyone

@nasirlabaran4793 2 ай бұрын

😐 bro you sick or something?

@chadigueder1352 2 ай бұрын

Go read about Islam and meet actual Muslims who have knowledge about the religion and let's see if u still think the same.

@christiantelesca3306 3 ай бұрын

Andrew cooked him with logic and biological facts. So, ML just made a fallacious argument. He did the same thing to Jay Dyer after this ended.

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

Yes just saw that.

@darckeflex9782 3 ай бұрын

If he did then why wasn't he defending it and why was he interrupting the other one saying his points then he leaves and says that he got kicked when they were recording that Andrew left on his own and they were trying to get him back to the debate but he didn't agree then just left like man he can't even defend his religion to the point Andrew started calling himself an Atheist at some point then The Muslim Lantern says that they should do a timer so that nobody interrupts cause Andrew kept acting disrespectful then interrupts but Andrew kept saying no no no we don't need that I wasn't interrupting was I? This video is clearly not even the full debate video like why are you here? I just checked the video because I found it recommended for some reason and there are 5000 people that saw this video like why are you even in this short fake video?

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

@@darckeflex9782 so essentially this is in best case scenario for ML and sneako, that this is a mistake on their part. They keep snaking people and if they continued their reputation will be even worse than it was before.

@clean_boost117 3 ай бұрын

Sneako ended the debate by clicking the end call button. As for the rest, they went against the original agreement of the debate. It wasn't moderated well and ML wasn't answering questions or defending his position without what aboutisms. Andrew didn't turn atheist, he was saying he doesn't need to state his position to criticise his worldview. I don't know why you're leaving that out

@robinsss 3 ай бұрын

Will Andrew ever stop using name calling?

@misterknightowlandco 3 ай бұрын

These guys understand that randomly arguments with people and agreeing to a legitimate debate are two different things right? Debates have rules and codes of conduct.

@culturedbrother 3 ай бұрын

So, Andrew went "Oh, the debate is going to be specifically about Nascar? Ok then, i am in" The muslim and sneako seemingly agreed but now they went with "But what about Indycar?" Did i get it right that they suddenly pulled a "what-about-ism" on Andrew? Crazy stuff indeed.

@A-RedHerring 3 ай бұрын

They're morons and snakeko is doing what he wants does. Honestly don't know why Andrew even decided to waste his time.

@Mr-Host 3 ай бұрын

Yes the muslims pulled a huge whataboutism

@vanessac0382 3 ай бұрын

Obliterated by Godlogic, the Jay Dyer and now Andrew🤦‍♀️

@riasimpson3874 3 ай бұрын

His whole approach was going to whataboutisms. Dude had nothing if that couldn't fly.

@marouan-sa86 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Andrew this angry

@chrislefty418 3 ай бұрын

Andrew is actually right here! It’s crazy people are saying otherwise! He even bit the bullet and started and with a question which was a reasonable question even though it seemed vulgar! The dude knew what was up by running his ass off! And if you’re position is for you be on defense for a certain topic, bringing up the what about this and what about that does not defend your position! All that means is you’re not willing to defend your position! You can bring up whatever you want outside of what you’re supposed to be defending but that’s not actually defending your argument it’s actually is a distraction to keep from defending it! Which means that his defense on that topic might suck and he knows it! Andrew is just too smart for a lot of these people he debates! The crazy part is, a lot of them don’t even know they are not that bright.

@SeastedtInc 3 ай бұрын

Got damn, This is a good warning for everyone who is ever gonna interact with Sneako

@Stan_la_menace 3 ай бұрын

Common, Sneako wasn't in any shape of form capable of moderating ANY thing at all!!! That is disgusting...

@riasimpson3874 3 ай бұрын

Soon as I heard Sneako was moderating, I figured it'd be a shitshow. Dude didn't even know what a moderator is supposed to do. He was half-assing it then full on being biased after Andrew's question.

@alwaysright3943 3 ай бұрын

It’s not his fault, he is genuinely a stupid guy.

@86pelezinho 3 ай бұрын

wait isnt this the sneako guy who went to England in hyde park speakers corner to debate Bob on the Trinity , he literally made himself a fool there

@bademantil6046 3 ай бұрын

He did. The thing is, dude's utterly inept when it comes to theology, philosophy & history and as such he is a perfect grooming material for dawah vultures. That's how cults operate, they need you at your intellectual low-end as that's their only chance to drag you in. Now they parade him around like a trophy but considering the fact he represents the best they can hope for shows you the level they're at.

@the98themperoroftheholybri33 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, couldn't understand the concept of the trinity so abandoned Christianity, rather than try to understand it. Two digit IQ from Sneako

@ahmaranwar1488 3 ай бұрын

Believing in the trinity is the because foolishness in itself

@johnbach2380 3 ай бұрын

Sneako truly is he who shall not be named.

@Jaxjag904 3 ай бұрын

One question backed him into a corner. Did he have a small PP or did he hurt her? It’s hard to defend PDF files isn’t it.

@Ac-ip5hd 3 ай бұрын

Even more ingenious is they can’t even cop out w small PP. They can’t talk ‘bout police be upon him that way. 😅 … and even if they did: there’s still a scientific case for the harm of pregnancy at her age, and mental SA trauma. A SAVAGE trap by Andrew. We should all be using this.

@alexanderfigueroa5732 3 ай бұрын

@@Ac-ip5hdI died when he went there 😂

@marouan-sa86 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Andrew this angry

@alexanderfigueroa5732 3 ай бұрын

@@marouan-sa86 well maybe at hard to get an answer to a simple question so let’s ask you. What justification do you have for aiesha when she’s clearly WAYYYY to young to even start to experience puberty and she’s either experiencing major psychological and physical damage from the consummation of the marriage or does Muhammad have a smol PEEPEE? Genuinely asking

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@shumesy 3 ай бұрын

Islam L Sneako L Andrew W

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@THESMARTERMAN555 3 ай бұрын

Here is the whole debate, Christian position 14 and the girl must of been through puberty for at least some time, if she is 14 and not gone through puberty is is not allowed. Muslims is 6 and the father of the daughter does not have to agree. End of debate.

@guillermoelnino 3 ай бұрын

No wonder the rainbow reich defends islam so much.

@rockstarburne 3 ай бұрын

Well technically there is no specific christian position. Maybe in the past they married off 14 yr olds, but it was the minority, it was still mostly late teens, as it should be as health complications from pregnancy drop at 18. Plus the bible mentions about a girl being physically mature enough and ready for marriage, and calls a 12 yr old, a little girl. You don’t physically mature at 14 Mohammed married aisha at 6, but there is no limit according to Quran. all it says is that you can remarry a divorced girl before she reaches puberty. Daniel “hapikachu” when pressed on it agree to 3 and 4 “if the parents approve”. Also stories of muslims graping girls so young that they “made two holes into one”

@iledawn9282 3 ай бұрын

It's actually 12, even augustine married someone who was 10 and he's 30. Almost all your church fathers don't argue about age much.

@COLYEH 3 ай бұрын

With the amount of gaslighting this guy participates in, I figured the US Army wouldve invaded the livestream.

@shumesy 3 ай бұрын

Schrodinger's Muslim. .. Are they being dishonest, or are they just stupid. Except there's no way to find out which it is, even if you open the box. After all, Allahu Alam...

@johan_liebert2385 3 ай бұрын

What was this comment unnecessarily good

@Cookiepuss2289 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen Andrew this angry

@A-RedHerring 3 ай бұрын

Debating braindead Muslims does that to you. They're more often than not completely dishonest and bad faith.🤷🏿‍♂️

@tyerannical3650 3 ай бұрын

@@A-RedHerring they're trying to cope but malfunction every time they try to defend the indefensible

@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p 3 ай бұрын

It's because of how smug the guy is and he just won't stop talking

@AlonzoHarris235 3 ай бұрын

He is ashamed of his bible and tradition. That’s why he was angry.

@Cookiepuss2289 3 ай бұрын

@@AlonzoHarris235 or he’s mad that people who take children as wife’s can’t have genuine arguments for their disgusting beliefs…..yeah I think that’s it

@semyaza555 3 ай бұрын

So, basically Andrew and Jay ran a train on Muslim Lantern? It’s basically like the ‘1 Girl Surrounded’ meme.

@Imhim-u3e Ай бұрын

The full video is 1h17min

@Imhim-u3e Ай бұрын

Islam is the way and Allah is the only true God and the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him he's last messenger under his servant

@rjd08l 29 күн бұрын

Yes and he mounted a 9 yr old everyone knows

@erkkidreiak6533 3 ай бұрын

This was very original and really good argument. You can see from ML's face that he's like "oh shit, he got me".

@Bill.i.3231 3 ай бұрын

Muslim Lantern is the most disingenuous religious debater I've ever heard, so far…

@zarouk0014 3 ай бұрын

Why do you guys like to lie to your selfs he is just pointing the hypocrisy of Christians when even in your religion got this thing but the Muslim lantren got asked the same question by many atheists and he never fail to answer ,the fact that he just posted 20 minutes of a 2:30 h debate shows many things , stop crying here and watch the whole debate one the muslim lantern channel if you’re not scared as every Christian apologist.

@johan_liebert2385 3 ай бұрын

Sheikh uthman beats him at every turn but they are close. Actually all of them are the same

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@casebased8391 3 ай бұрын

Lmao I’ve watched a *lot* of religious debates, and the vast majority of muslim debaters have been disingenuous.

@gucciadjective7745 3 ай бұрын

Standard Muslim dodging the question

@ahmadshamal8591 2 ай бұрын

How a young kid makes an old man look childish…

@Imhim-u3e Ай бұрын

For those who don't know go watch it from the first minute to the last and see who wins

@snorlaxsleeping 3 ай бұрын

orange: here’s why oranges are yummy (rotten) apple: oranges suck orange: explain why apples are yummy without referencing other fruits (rotten) apple: you don’t understand laws of yum orange: 🤦‍♂️

@AntiSewingCircleChristianity 3 ай бұрын

“The laws of yum”

@christianjensen9174 3 ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@imbetterthanu5612 3 ай бұрын

More accurately: apple (disguised as tomato): fruit is bad! apple: why do you say that apple (disguised as tomato): Because I say so! apple: your criteria is subjective… they’re good by the standard apple (disguised as tomato): NO! Don’t use the standard (that we both share) Apple: Bruh

@LeGITSauMo 3 ай бұрын

Without lies Islam dies.

@sand_d5305 3 ай бұрын

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES

@Hafid-ii5nv 3 ай бұрын

WITHOUT LIES CHRISTIANITY DIES

@passe-partouttt 3 ай бұрын

@@Hafid-ii5nv Even with it's still dying

@amervito9872 3 ай бұрын

While it's The most growing religion in the world 😅

@casebased8391 3 ай бұрын

@@amervito9872Yeah, because they are WITH lies. 😂 When you look at the numbers, it’s not because people are converting more. It’s “growing” because Muslims breed like rabbits, and there is a death penalty for apostasy in countries under Sharia lol. In their hearts they could be ex-Muslim, but never have the freedom to express it out loud.

@MasculinityIsFundamental 3 ай бұрын

"...[T]he debate is specifically the Trinity VS. the age of consent [in Islam]." I started watching this on The Crucible's KZbin channel, before Andrew cut the feed. This was expected due to some of Muslim Lantern's attempts at not linking his debate opponent, and getting into a meta-conversation during Andrew's watching a prior debate. I immediately migrated to Sneako's Rumble channel. The lower third graphic was clear about the topics and order of discussion. First, age of consent in Islam- Lantern defending. Second, Trinity - Andrew defending. Guess what happened? Muslim Lantern did the same thing he did during Andrew's debate prep. This time, he straight up tu quoque-ed with a Whataboutism. After some more bad faith, Andrew ad hommed Lantern, and the meta-conversation was on. Sneako disappointed by trying to flip the order of debate topics, after Andrew argued in good faith and Lantern in bad. Summary: You can't stick a 5.5" tape measure into a 2" socket. It ain't gon' fit. Personal observation: Lantern could have stopped being a punk and won a point. He was given two options. The first is that Mo violated his 9yo bride and "damaged" her, thus winning for Andrew. The second is that Mo was about 2", humiliating his prophet. Best choice for Lantern? "Come on Andrew, we're all men here. It was just the tip." No shady tactics, no insult to his faith, and it's hilarious. But, no.

@Hamptur 3 ай бұрын

its not a fallacy. If both Muslims and Christian's think that it's objectively moral, there is really nothing to defend here. He's debating with a Christian, not an atheist who thinks the position is immoral. The "you too fallacy", or “whataboutism”only applies if both positions are objectively immoral in both religions. You and your boyfriend’s understanding for logical fallacies are honestly pathetic.

@HatingAmericans225 3 ай бұрын

@@Hamptur That was not the rules that Andrew signed up for

@Hamptur 3 ай бұрын

@@HatingAmericans225 But it’s perfectly justified to defend Islam this way, as it’s moral in both of the religions.

@Hamptur 3 ай бұрын

@@HatingAmericans225 By the way, did my previous comment get deleted for you aswell?

@vadimgrecheskiy8895 Ай бұрын

A: "There are no numbers that can be added to get 4" M: "What about 2+2=4?" A: "Whataboutism! Illogical!" Actually, there is not a single 'logical law' prohibiting "what about," and Muhammad was actually showing that Andrew does not comply with the 4th logical law: "The Law of Sufficient Reason." And also, besides the 'Whatabout argument', he gave an argument without involving Christianity (you just cut it out).

@TheWrathfulSlayer 3 ай бұрын

I was excited for this debate and then Myron mentioned that MuslimLantern was a jackass!! And when you started discussing about the debate rules, I was like yep!! And this debate was absolutely terrible because him and Sneako were being bad faith!! But I’m glad Jay Dyer was able to debate him!! I’m a neutral but I was impressed with the way Jay Dyer was cooking this jackass!

@halim7725 3 ай бұрын

"Neutral" hahahahahaha MuslimLantern is clouds above your two fools who couldn't play fair for the simple reason that they're losers and hold on to falsehood.

@AntiSewingCircleChristianity 3 ай бұрын

When did Myron say that? I’m not on twitter so I don’t know.

@TheWrathfulSlayer 3 ай бұрын

@@AntiSewingCircleChristianity there was a clip of him on Twitter saying MuslimLantern was a jackass

@AntiSewingCircleChristianity 3 ай бұрын

@@TheWrathfulSlayer damn. I agree with the sentiment but damn. You got secular arabs like Myron and religious people like Godlogic or Jay Dyer agreeing on this man’s character. Thats tuff

@ahmaranwar1488 3 ай бұрын

@@AntiSewingCircleChristianitylol Myron and religious? The guy is a walking L

@coreygates4742 3 ай бұрын

There is no way the muskims didnt plan this ahead of time

@leganzar7831 3 ай бұрын

Lol, he won't even say the number ... but he's going to "defend" it? Just shows you he's scared to even defend his own religion.

@saeedkhalil85 3 ай бұрын

Clipped video, cut ot the bits which show how Andrew got destroyed in under 2 mins

@TomBombadil89 14 күн бұрын

Lol

@itz_adziii Ай бұрын

So Andrew wants to criticise Islam’s stance on age of consent yet starts crying when Muhammad brings up the Christian stance on the age of consent. Andrew speaks about logic yet what logic does he demonstrate when Muhammad brings up the Christians stance on the topic. You Christian’s supporting Andrew need to rethink who’s representing you. Basically what Andrew’s stance is, is that he won’t represent the Christian doctrine on the topic

@soniacrod17 3 ай бұрын

This is why Sam debates the Muslims the way he does. They play games and he knows that he's been doing it for decades. So you made a comment in the beginning of your debate that he was running from the Trinity. That's not true if you go to his channel. He talks about the Trinity all the time but when he debates these Muslims he has to get down and dirty with them

@putent9623 3 ай бұрын

True. This is sad. Geniunely. I'm not joking. The only way to debate a Muslim is by not having a debate. What the fkn hel.. so the only way to have a debate with a Muslim, is by also obfuscating and deflecting questions with tu quo quo and what about ism. This is geniunely fkd.

@AntiSewingCircleChristianity 3 ай бұрын

Now everyone else gets to see and EXPERIENCE exactly why you do not cast pearls to swine.

@robbiestones9447 3 ай бұрын

Sam has even said when he 1st started debating he didn't realise how low they went and how they would lie...and he even lost many debates because he was to nice and gentle..he's dealt with them for 20 30 years now..he knows which ones are wasting he's time and playing games..which is mostly all active big muslim apologists..that's why he treats them the way he does...none dare debate him 1v1...

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@ahmaranwar1488 3 ай бұрын

Sam shamoun the wife beater who ran away when debating sheikh utman

@indigochild2.098 3 ай бұрын

to any muslim! go look up Nabeel Qureshi, i rest my case!

@treadstoned9915 3 ай бұрын

RIP Nabeel 🙏

@tiotiwilliams8311 20 күн бұрын

He was never muslim

3 ай бұрын

The day Andrew discovered debating Muslims is not debating an OF chick, bro legit thought it was going to be a cake walk with 1+1+1=1 logic🤣

@HatingAmericans225 3 ай бұрын

You are delusional

@Ufb10 3 ай бұрын

Mate, that’s what I was thinking, you can see his frustration through the screen. If anything Latern was doing what Andrew does to others.

@Ufb10 3 ай бұрын

@@HatingAmericans225 & you will be amongst the losers. ⏳

@xravenx24fe 3 ай бұрын

@@Ufb10 He's frustrated because Andrew is very direct, and all ML does is filibuster. Every Dawah youtube debater does this, they think restating their position and the reasoning behind it for five minutes explains any criticism of said position. He just puts up his snake grin for the camera and either lies, dodges the issue, or goes into whataboutism and starts accusing his opponent of things. He probably does understand the idea of an internal critique. He probably does understand logic. He's just a liar and a snake and anyone with a modicum of intellectual respect will say so, which is why an agnostic or atheist viewer of these debates who doesn't favor Christianity or Islam will always point out that Islam loses.

@alexandersabadus8923 3 ай бұрын

OF chicks take the L more honourably 😆

@coachb530 3 ай бұрын

Recommendation in the future to have public rules to any debate posted so everyone can see the terms so we know who is lying.

@riasimpson3874 3 ай бұрын

Yup, it's gonna have to be that way. But he has had countless debates with others and most went through without a hitch.

@coachb530 3 ай бұрын

@@riasimpson3874 he has, but i've listened to numerous ones where there were similar discrepancies (Destiny for sure was latest I remember)...so just make the rules public before so people can quit obfuscating or lying

@KevinLamarche 2 ай бұрын

Mistake: assuming that there are honest islamists. The Middle East is not a bastion of honesty.

@LegendsReign 3 ай бұрын

ML disingenuous af...sneako bad mod...Wilson dude honestly rightfully annoyed af....

@davidbourget9402 3 ай бұрын

That is one dim lantern 🤦🏻‍♂️ Debating these Muslims is as useful as debating Destiny. Waste of time to speak to those wrapped in lies and deception.

@jowildcat40 3 ай бұрын

They admit to changing the terms of the debate at the start of the discussion by adding the condition with regards to interruptions. This immediately dissolves any credibility of the moderator. ML wanted this condition so that he could avoid answering any direct questions since he knows it would not take much effort to pick apart his prophet. He never intended to allow Andrew to set up any controlled, direct debate with logic because he would be too vulnerable and would be forced to admit he supports P3do behavior.

@almedinradoncic3904 3 ай бұрын

@Imhim-u3e Ай бұрын

Where is the first half of the debate

@doc8090 3 ай бұрын

15:55 “no I’m not a Rrong” lmao

@black91ize 3 ай бұрын

Wilson is so disrespectful and annoying. And he is always like that no matter who speaks to or about. Fanboys coping in the comments is a big L.

@paulares292 3 ай бұрын

I have no dog in this fight, being an atheist... but the smug smile I've seen so many muslims do during debates like this is the most off-putting and annoying shit ever, and I understand 100% why Andrew is frustrated here. You could *maybe* cite some norms of other cultures as context around your beliefs, but the overwhelming majority of your justification for a practice shouldn't be critiquing an external ethic standard at all.

@LuisGonzalez-rm5vx 2 ай бұрын

Sure but why would the Muslim take a criticism on child marriage seriously when Andrew is in the same boat him? How can Andrew act like he has a morally superior position when in his own religion has child marriage is present, and no where does it state that child marriage is immoral or give a minimum age for marriage. Yet that doesn't seem to brother him or be enough for him to renounce Christianity. It make sense Andrew doesn't want to involve Christianity when talking about child marriage and age of consent because as soon as he does that his moral arguments against Islam would backfire on him.

@LukeSchmidt89 3 ай бұрын

Andrew destroyed him without having to debate him 😂😂😂

@riasimpson3874 3 ай бұрын

ML couldn't get past the pee pee question. 🤣🤣🤣

@Motivationupliftingdaily2 3 ай бұрын

How????? I used to respect Andrew after this no more he’s ignorance

@LukeSchmidt89 3 ай бұрын

@@Motivationupliftingdaily2 you should respect him more for standing his ground and not letting a disingenuous Muslim try to bait him into a debate he didn’t agree too

@abdullahal-taweel9346 3 ай бұрын

You wanted to argue from a point of hypocrisy. They called you out on that, and you prattled on for ages wasting everyones times. If you're a hypocrite from the get go, or if you arent really a Christian, just say so. Stop defending the idea that its somehow logical to expect someone to debate an "idea" when your position requires defending to start off with.

@abumaalik9272 3 ай бұрын

Andrew's idea of what this debate should be is pretty pointless, he wants to point out inconsistencies according to islamic criteria on the marriage of the Mohammad to Aisha, which is pointless because Islam and Prophet Mohammad go hand in hand. What ML is saying is for Andrew to provide a standard to then critique the actions of Prophet Muhammad. Andrew's wants ML to have the proposition of 'defend the age of consent in Islam according to Islam'.

@spraycheese1383 3 ай бұрын

Yes that’s it. Andrew doesn’t want Muslim flashlight to resort to “whataboutism” to defend his indefensible position

@benjin3993 3 ай бұрын

Sneako failed as a moderator. This was a joke. Changing the rules as the debate goes on is a child's tactic.

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

No rule was changed In the First 5 mins The rules were dictated

@benjin3993 3 ай бұрын

@@Talisman-fx8xg the Muslim dude literally said he changed a rule on the spot during the argument

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

@benjin3993 Which one? Adding times? Watch the full video Are there any others? Enlighten me, and I'll agree with u if there are Also, this is a 20 min vid And not the full video Also, why did the Christian convert his religion mid conversation multiples to win an argument? Arguing to argue?

@benjin3993 3 ай бұрын

@@Talisman-fx8xg 6:53 he tells Amdrew he's changing the rules real time. "I'm stating it now." Clearly that means he changed the rules in real time. And since Andrew apparently didn't know the rules and thought it was a different kind of debate, Sneako failed as a moderator to ensure the rules were clear and set for both parties. Since it seems multiple phone calls and even a talk on camera beforehand still lead to this much confusion I blame Sneako. If 2 parties are not not comprehending simple rules, you are either not explaining them well enough, or someone is being in bad faith.

@Talisman-fx8xg 3 ай бұрын

@benjin3993 he stated it now bcz an implied agreement existed first When someone who's debating in favour of Christianity and other on islam There's an implied agreement that one is talking from a Christian moral standpoint and Islamic moral standpoint This is logic I won't expect a Christian or muslim to say humans come from apes when they r having a Christian V islamic debate It's implied Considering andrew clearly failed to be rational Whatever the muslims guys name is, He switched from an implied agreement to an express agreement due to andrew lacking common sense Also the terms of debate was dictated in the beginning of the original video I don't think it's mentioned in this video bcz then you'll question andrew