Canceled For Liking This Book - Mumford & Sons' Winston Marshall (4K) | heretics. 16

Winston Marshall is the former banjo player from Mumford & Sons. Wonderful episode where we discuss everything from TikTok’s Impact On Israel - Hamas war and antisemitism to BLM.
Go check out his podcast: • Marshall Matters
Follow him on X / mrwinmarshall and on Instagram / winstonmarshall
Andrew on X: / andrewgold_ok
Insta: / andrewgold_ok
Support on Locals: andrewgold.locals.com/
#heretics #mumfordandsons #woke
Chapters:
0:00 Highlights
0:39 Winston’s Start
2:39 Manipulative Media - Robbie Williams
04:11 Why Winston Had To Quit Mumford & Sons
07:49 Winston's BLM Criticism & Uighur Muslims
11:21 Winston Confronted on the Tube
13:17 Did the Band Want Winston to Stay?
15:29 From Music to Podcasting
17:49 Cults vs Political Ideologies like Woke
21:49 Can You Use This Word?
24:49 Elon Musk & Woke Olympics
26:49 Is Silence Violence (in the Music Industry)?
28:49 A Laptop
30:34 The Problem with Some Music Journalists
34:49 Problem with Far-Left vs Sound of Freedom
38:19 Winston Going Through Depression
40:49 Alcoholism
43:34 Faith vs Control
45:34 Jordan Peterson Story
49:59 KZbin vs Tiktok
51:59 TikTok’s Impact On Israel - Hamas
55:29 College Presidents Anti-Semitism
59:29 It’s Easier to Teach Fascism than Communism
1:01:29 Oppressive Atmosphere in the Music Industry
1:02:59 A Heretic Winston Admires
1:03:59 Amanda Knox
Stock Media provided by PenroseAudio / Pond5. License Acquired. Music by Davis Withane.

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Fans of Mumford? Fans of Winston? Thoughts below - Hit like and share!

[@paulwally9007]

Not a fan of Mumford. It's just not my cup of tea. Really love Winston. He seems super-sincere in a world of largely click-baity partisan KZbinrs. I had a different experience at a pro-Uyghur demonstration. It was held outside the Chinese embassy in London about two or three years ago. It seemed ALMOST EVERYONE there was Muslim. I've still got the free T-shirt. I think it's a topic most people are simply unaware of. There's been no Uyghur equivalent of the Dalai Lama to increase public knowledge, and many sections of the West aren't all that sympathetic to Muslims.

[@theoutsider6191]

Yeah , like Winston his view is always one of compassionate interest. He also seems like a decent individual. And for sure the University Leaders in the USA was unbelievable, you watch that clip and it simply is staggering that they all cannot bring themselves to say genocide of Jews is bad.... not real. And one of them in particular, Elizabeth Magill, kept on smiling while playing pathetic word games trying to not look like she really wanted to be in the 1940s German gang.... And then to find an African American Female, called Gay, also doing the same bullshit was like it was a SouthPark sketch....

[@WhoAreYou-.-.]

Mumford and sons are AMAZING. Mate us Aussies have loved ya long time and sang your songs together on triple j hottest 100 days. We love ya from australia 🇦🇺

[@WhoAreYou-.-.]

I would love to go to his battle of ideas event. I hope I can watch it somewhere afterwards. Great guests and idea 💡

[@Stevo_YouTube]

Never heard of them. Love this podcast though so I'll stay.

[@stevemarshall3986]

14 years with his band mates and they sold him out. Shame on them.

[@stardustgirl2904]

It's really sad! I remember a time in the world 🌎 when you could have mates and friends that had different views but you still love and care for each other! And you stood by each other! Not these days!

[@Deep.Purple]

I quit watching them... that was really puss

[@geoplaten337]

Indeed. What a bunch of cowards, not standing with their friend.

[@SquirtlePower809]

Yup! This is how leftists are. They sold their souls to the religion of woke and will sacrifice EVERYTHING for it.

[@user-ci7vu7eo9w]

Well they never were mates 😂

[@AM-qz6cm]

A man who sacrificed it all, to speak truth, shall not be forgotten.

[@ThirtyPack.]

💯🙏😎

[@billchepil5933]

Kudos to you son. You are a hero of your generation

[@Jamunnna]

We'll see. I'm Jesus

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Why does he side with the actual “G No Siders?” It’s obvious why Andrew does, because they are his fam, but Winston isn’t a dreidel-player.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Furthermore, Winston and Andrew will _NEVER_ comment on _WHO’s_ behind financing/coordinating the things they’re against (wokeness/etc), because it’s the same dreidel-players. Winston is literally supportive of the very people who are behind the replacement of his own (so much for educating himself much, for all the reading he said he’s done). And of course Andrew is supportive of them, because once again, he’s in that fam.. Like a true dreidel-player, Andrew will continue to put the focus on IsIam.

[@katr4864]

I just saw your Oxford debate and how you wiped the floor with Pelosi. Great job! I've never heard of you before, but I'm now following you on Rumble and youtube. I'm not on the other platforms that you are on, but I will remember you always for the way you stood up to Pelosi with facts, common sense, bravery, and the utmost honesty.

[@TTFN55]

That was a thing of beauty! I've watched it a couple of times. When I think of Winston I'm reminded of my granny's line, "Tell the truth and shame the devil!"

[@tsviagoren3049]

What a remarkable human being . So heartbreaking to think he had to give up everything he loves to keep his dignity.

[@sandraowens4821]

i sympathise, i am just an ordinary person, who questioned some of this and contacted BLM directly, only to ask for answers, i was vilified and found it very scary. being in the piblic eye must have been an awful experience. Dont stop caring.

[@norichesney]

"He is no fool if he should chose to give the thing he cannot keep to gain what he can never loose..." You remind me of James Elliot...

[@TTFN55]

@@norichesney - Nice one!

[@JS-xm2np]

Dignity is ambrosia; beware anyone who wants to bargain for yours.

[@martysmith2851]

Can we cancel the Woke Movement?

[@wotsitalabowt]

No, mainly because it's not a movement. It's only defined by the people who oppose "it" - and that varies of course. Generally you'd have to oppose being considerate and not ok with people being diverse.

[@moirabaker458]

YES!!! If enough people REFUSE TO COMPLY with the madness!!! So, stop self censoring. You only have to look at the effect on Bud Light when people boycotted them... GO Woke, GO Broke. You just have to ignore them moaning that they are offended, because they are offended by EVERYTHING!

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@wotsitalabowt BUAHAHAHA! That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard all year!

[@wotsitalabowt]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Which specific ethnic cleansing are you most concerned about, if you don't mind telling me? I'm going to go with white men, not sure why. You'll tell me you're a Taiwanese woman or you have an Aborigine dad or something to obfuscate. But you're a white man.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@wotsitalabowt “Yts” in general (lol at you saying only men are affected), and those in the M.E., like Palestinians. Those are the ones that are experiencing it by the very people that run my country (dreidel players). I’m not a man, btw. You’re sad.

[@radiantmessenger3369]

"I like to look into things before I support them " shouldn't be the radical statement it's become 🤔

[@101242cg]

Why is it radical?

[@twothreefiveone]

Yeah, but only a moron would think its become radical, and this guy is still has the opinions of a bigoted vichy khunt.

[@rayne6737]

@@101242cg Because people don’t want you to look into things, to think about them critically. They want automatic agreement with the way they think. Mind hive thought with not even the slightest difference is what they want.

[@101242cg]

@rayne6737 if you've looked into far right conspiracy theories and concluded they are correct, you've done critical thinking wrong

[@stardustgirl2904]

I like to be informed on things going on and dive deeper into issues! It's called making an effort!

[@christinef7592]

Winston - Bravo for your sobriety!! And, thank you for your contributions today, generally and specifically

[@user-kb7vw3ru6d]

Did not know of Winston till saw Pelosi debate. You spoke for so many of us without a voice.

[@madelinethomasian9156]

The debate with pelosi was outstanding He explained the hypocrisy

[@joannlarson6386]

Not that Pelosi debates, but demands, but he was outstanding.

[@michaelrichard1320]

I love how reading is the antidote to Marxism. We got to get these kids off of social media programming.

[@TwoBassed]

It’s not just social media it’s also being pushed throughout the education system and mainstream media!

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

Right, Marxists don't write books. Idiot.

[@lavenderbee3611]

I am alarmed why this generation would even flirt with Marxism, it produced some of the most murderous anti-human regimes of the 20th century.

[@ericjohnson9468]

Reading broadly is THE antidote to the blinders of any ideology… … & being open to experiences… rather than filtering them through a coveted ideology…

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

@@ericjohnson9468 Being literate offers you the possibility of escaping ideological blinders, but it is no guarantee. You have to actually fucking think about what you're reading. And you also have to have a decent enough background of contextual knowledge. For instance, Lenin spearheaded literacy campaigns in Russia precisely because print is a very effective way to propagandize people. Knowing that would prevent you from sounding like a complete asshole who thinks that reading is the antidote to Marxism, for instance.

[@margieblackmore4469]

I watch a lot of your stuff Andrew, you ask common sense questions, interview mostly interesting people, but, mostly, you just exude such an overall niceness, goodness, gentle humour and those things are priceless!

[@MishelleBee]

I couldn’t read books when I was drinking. Once I quit, I could read a book a week. Never heard of this guy and can’t believe he was kicked out of Mumford and Sons. Extremely intelligent with expanded thinking. Enjoyed this interview - good for him for standing up against all of this wicked nonsense! PS new subscriber.

[@williecrooks3636]

I feel as though having a bad drinking problem is alot of the time connected to orher bad habits it is as though you was running right into the Arms of one bad habit to escape the other when the solution is to address and solve the original bad habit that started it all.

[@Tedmader-fp3vb]

Hope you have seen him with nancy Pelosi - sent him to the top of charts

[@MG-1907]

I thought he was very brave for standing for what his believes in. Wish more would.

[@utredutredson1686]

@utredutredson1686 0 seconds ago Winston Aubrey Aladar deBalkan Marshall was born in Wandsworth, London, on 20 December 1987,[1][a] to Sir Paul Marshall, a British tycoon and co-founder of the Marshall Wace hedge fund, and Sabina de Balkany,[4] from a genteel European Jewish family. Silver spoon had everything since birth and you call this brave...please

[@rgghjs9270]

His bandmates stood up for what they believe in too by the sound of it. Why would anyone want to spend time on the road with someone they didn't like? He acts like the first person to get sacked from a band lol

[@nofi1836]

Only if they believe what you believe right👍😂

[@rgghjs9270]

@@nofi1836 exactly. This channel is the ultimate echo chamber.

[@nicwebber5343]

@@utredutredson1686 Exactly. It's like Lawrence Fox all over again. Privileged men who can't fathom why other people matter. And of course he hates Marxism, which entitled little rich boy doesn't? If he were black from a deprived childhood, he might have some credibility. As it is, he's sulking because the music industry disagrees with him. Well, it's an industry and that's how capitalism works, so his hedge fund embossed butt will have to suck it up.

[@seanbailey2299]

You are right, Andrew. People need to be less sensitive. As a 60 year old Irish man, I've been called a paddy all my life. I worked in the middle East for years, and the British, the Scots, Welsh, yanks, Australians, even the Indians and Filipinos called me a paddy. People need to get over themselves

[@tarawells1553]

My grandparents always refer to my great uncle as paddy and I just thought it was his name 😳

[@ramadamming8498]

And 'Paki' used to be a term that Pakistani people used about themselves and in the 70s in England, a 'Paki' would be working with a Jamaican and some 'English' and they'd all joke about eachother but not in an aggressive mean or spiteful way - apparently that used to be called 'banter' but now it is called 'Fascism' - then as the term 'Paki' was used be the far right skinheads, the media decided it was a 'bad term' as they saw it as graffiti etc and not from it's origin amongst the Pakistani community and other normal people 'on the streets' - that is how shameful it is that words are allowed to be hijacked sometimes.

[@MediumMonitor]

"paddy", please explain.

[@eightiesmusic1984]

There is no reason to call someone from Ireland this. Just because you claim it is ok does not mean it is.

[@eddybrek5298]

The Scottish Welsh and Northern Irish are British citizens get it right paddy

[@olgacamarillo1917]

Wow! A musician / artist with INTEGRITY?! THANK YOU sir, this world needs more of you.

[@grafeaux4456]

Thank you, Winston. You are in my prayers. You do a marvelous job of speaking truth without taking sides.

[@JS-xm2np]

He took sides. Clearly

[@Michellef1117]

It's insane to me that calling Andy Ngo is controversial. White men shouldn't comment on these things??? I guess Vietnamese men like Andy Ngo shouldn't either. Thank you both Andrew Gold and Winston Marshall for speaking up. We need more educated men speaking up ❤

[@utredutredson1686]

@utredutredson1686 0 seconds ago Winston Aubrey Aladar deBalkan Marshall was born in Wandsworth, London, on 20 December 1987,[1][a] to Sir Paul Marshall, a British tycoon and co-founder of the Marshall Wace hedge fund, and Sabina de Balkany,[4] from a genteel European Jewish family. Born with a silver spoon acting like a victim

[@bethotoole6569]

@@utredutredson1686 So.. that means he's not allowed an opinion?? You prove the problem with today's culture. Just because you don't like him or his history you try to invalidate what he has to say. Sorry,, but what we need are MORE people willing to have civilized discussions not LESS. Thanks for showing us what you think...

[@semmaville]

So handsome at that angle Andrew!!!

[@trailertrish2587]

How many times are you going to cut and paste this. Fuck off

[@constructenglish1]

I know, the stupidity is off the charts.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

I loved Mumford & Sons as a teenager, glad someone from the band sees through BLM and woke nonsense that divides people and leads to unrest.

[@mightyprotong]

Cry harder about BLM and see if that helps.

[@EffSharp]

@@mightyprotonghi. I was a blm supporter before there even was a BLM. The leadership of BLM is virulently antisemitic. And dangerous. The cause is real, the org is very sick.

[@Euro2024champs]

yup, it's not small minded racist tossers who cause division, no it's the people fighting it. Typical rightwing dipshit logic from another fcuking weeb.

[@jshays007]

BLM has turned out to be a fraudulent joke. The founding members have abused the better part of $90 million in charitable donations, they operate on false narratives with very dangerous intentions, and they have done little to none for the benefit of the any community. In fact one can definitely form a strong arguement that BLM has caused damage to many communities across America. The Police will no longer patrol some areas of Minneapolis. Crime is way up.The Police have been successfully defunded. That is not a good thing ... Winston was railroaded out of his band by the same Populist radical ideology that bleeds from BLM. I just have to make it known how shallow his band mates really are to let this minimal shit tear them apart. It's really unfortunate how possessed some people have become. Winston is the most open minded person amongst them.

[@jshays007]

Ahhh ... I love the Steven Pinker comment... lol ... That is so refreshing

[@champanyhill]

7:27 "I like to look into things before I support them" It's a shame more people don't take this approach rather than parroting the opinions of others

[@dolceanstar]

Except, it's bollocks, he skims articles which appeal to reinforcing his existing opinions

[@champanyhill]

@@dolceanstar don't we all

[@dolceanstar]

@@champanyhill no

[@champanyhill]

@@dolceanstar if your answer is no then you really are blind to human nature.

[@pilot3016]

I was extremely critical of the BLM movement and people were agast at my questioning it. They looked at me like I was out of my mind. I won.

[@donaldnavatto9890]

My son, who is sober about 12 years now, said the same thing about doing it on his own. It’s really tough so I applaud you . Very proud of you.

[@sues3218]

This woke movement acts very much like a cult.

[@noordhup]

I don't know many Mumford and Sons song but Winstons contribution to I will wait was brilliant.

[@crazyralph6386]

History will judge Winston as a hero for standing up against this woke mob.

[@arthurmckeown1937]

😅😅😅 Hero? Calm down ffs.

[@paulianhodgson]

Agree.

[@robinfoster7597]

Wrong, history will be on the side of the "woke mob" for they are caring about other people. You are a relic from the past.

[@theshed3641]

@@arthurmckeown1937he stood up to the bs. That’s heroic

[@bwebb90]

Woke is the word used by people who aren't funny anymore, only used by middle-aged people who are upset that they can't get the same reactions to the same jokes they've been using since they were a teenager.

[@lion73266]

Well done Winston , believe me, a majority of people agree with you. Keep strong ... we salute you.

[@hughmac13]

They do? We should believe you why?

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@hughmac13 Because he wants to believe it so it must be true...... sad really.

[@zeldagoblin]

Believe what you like, numbnuts. Nobody gives fuck.

[@craighenslin5485]

Really? You've polled the majority of people have you? If you need to use hyperbole to make your point, you don't have a point to make.

[@lion73266]

@@craighenslin5485 What a pointless comment......But thanks for your five pence worth.

[@ArseneJenga]

During the BLM ‘thing’ I watch associated websites - generally militant, black hyper left wing. The readiness to call for violence and vile slurs against Jewish people was breath taking in its vitriol and volume. Nothing appeared to be done by YT moderators. I found it staggering. I still don’t know why I had a channel blocked on YT (still!) - I challenged Gender/Trans militants on the issue of women’s safety and was jumped on. Incredible and inequitable double standards

[@skilledbuilduk9694]

I find it strange there's so much hatred towards Zionist jews for no reason at all.. Its not like they're behind lots of problems that white men get the blame for due to these white men not walking around with a their kippah on. The bible warns to be aware of the fake ones.

[@madwhitehare3635]

Yep...I'm shadow banned right now for commenting on islam.

[@powderandpaint14]

which websites in particular?

[@Demoiselle21]

Linked to your point about proclamations of violence and double standards - I've seen a clip from a video of KZbin Channels of a young black women calling for the death of the Royal Family, and being quite specific about how they should die, why they 'deserve' to die. But, at that time at least, no sanctions had been placed on that channel, let alone paused. I'm trying to remember which channel I saw it on. Could have been Sue Smith? POV?

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@Demoiselle21 I get banned from YT comments literally at least once a week, for simply typing polite opinions stating what I disagree with, on transgender and religious issues. I have never deliberately tried to be offensive, but simply by not being in the woke gang, gets you banned from expressing free speech which we all have a right to do.

[@skis2643]

I learned about this channel through Triggernometry and I must say: great choice of guests, great interview style, even the setting looks nice. Good stuff!

[@rgghjs9270]

From what I've seen, most of his guests here seem to be bigoted morons that don't seem to know what they're talking about, or are seriously lacking in social awareness.

[@mindsigh4]

could use a window wash, some dusting & maybe a coat of paint..? 😎

[@msmango6354]

​@mindsigh4 yeah let's face it it looks like a frustrated virgin boys wank stain turned into a room.

[@zeenuf00]

@@mindsigh4 loser 😆 🤣

[@rdc-ts9gp]

I like the long form interviews much more than the other channel. Production is great also 👍

[@DogloverCookies-nd8zy]

Good for him that he didn’t fold and back down. I wish him the very best.

[@ensaerodynamics8615]

@Winston, I just found you through your speech on populism at Oxford. Excellent work! Then I saw you play guitar.... so do I, then I found this. It is fantastic that you stood up for yourself. It is very hard to fight mass psychosis events of recent history.

[@caros4734]

The world needs more brave people like Winston.

[@UphillGardener-ly5sh]

"The world needs more brave people like Winston" And Taylor Swift?

[@starrynight1329]

We should all be Winston and Taylor.

[@Euro2024champs]

yeah he's so brave parroting mainstream rightwing talking points.

[@anthonyrippa686]

​@@Satwamassive what BS. People of all different stripes listen to music.

[@jh7589]

​@@Satwamassiveanother braindead take by a comment gimp on the internet. I'm so happy my view on reality is realistic.

[@dystopik32]

I feel that 2023 is the year that the tide began to turn against the woke madness

[@toribern816]

I sure hope so. I cant stand it 😂

[@LordoftheSith]

It’s already turning. As with everything the wokies have overreached

[@myrasmith1603]

Hope so

[@louiseparker1915]

Hope you're right!

[@46GarageUSA]

Winston has a brilliant mind. He should be a world leader.

[@ragetobe]

I’m a young 52 years old, I have a 10 year old boy who is funny, full of energy and never stops talking, I know that I influence him and my humour is from another time, so I fear he may step out of todays accepted guidelines. It’s extremely hard to navigate this but he is very smart and knows who he can say things to and who he cannot. I worry that moving forwards that no topic is safe, no joke is a joke, no comment can be taken as an opinion and no more. It feels like the situation is an ouroboros, when will it end and how will it end. Just a note, I’m not that well read or educated, I’m pretty average, I’m not pretending to be some super aware person.

[@user-uy7jz6li4h]

Thank you Andrew for interviewing Winston Marshall. Winston congratulations for 5 years sobriety. I saw you in Cape Town a few years ago (in the howling wind and after about a 5 hour delay - remember?) and I was transfixed by your guitar playing, which was especially special in the song Tompkins Square Park. I was moved beyond words that night. Thank God you found new avenues to create and express yourself. I am really enjoying listening to you on this Podcast and will look to follow you on your journey into 2024. The line in the song "without holding back my mind" rings true for you and also Andrew. I really agree with a lot of what you are discussing. What a breath of fresh air.

[@fairylin5]

Sound of Freedom was amazing and had me in tears too!!! Why do ppl think that that movie is right-winged, because of religion? It’s about Pedo Rings, finding them, dismantling, and most importantly, saving kids!! Doesn’t matter what political group you’re in.

[@powderandpaint14]

The leader of the charity in that film has now been found to be a fraud, who has been accused of abuse by multiple women. They were not saving child victims of trafficking and in some instances they actually contributed to the abuse of chikdren. He's also strongly mormon which anyone who has watched Andrew's interviews with ex Mormons will know if a very questionable religion.

[@artOVtrolling]

The left love their pedos.

[@cassiecoleman3584]

@@powderandpaint14 I think you need to check your facts. To the best of my knowledge, those accusations have not been proven, but instead are just tools to destroy the message

[@powderandpaint14]

@@cassiecoleman3584 tools to destroy the message? There are multiple women who have accused this guy, they sound very credible.

[@LilyGazou]

@@powderandpaint14are you saying no children are being trafficked? There is no system protecting that business?

[@warrenny]

Instant respect for Winston around 4:35 "I'll never attack someone on Twitter if I can call them and speak to them personally. Good for you, sir,

[@mikipiediaelburro7588]

Absolutely sensible reasoning...we all make special allowances for friends and family..Well we should do.

[@JoanWhack]

I’m really glad to see someone with a name, stand up and say Sadiq Khan has run London into the ground. Thank you. Although not a huge fan, the song Little Lionman got me through an incredibly rough time in my life.

[@susanll4811]

This man is such a breath of fresh air. As a boomer, I am appalled and disturbed by generations following me. I am a mental health therapist who specializes in children and adolescents. I agree with Winston about how Tiktok has brainwashed people. It truly has skewed reality in young minds. I will never be out of a job due to all the social media apps, sadly. Great interviews, Andrew!! Well done!!😊

[@pollyparrot9447]

At 52:51 he blames the boomers for the failure in education that has led to present day anti Semitism.

[@NOT_SURE..]

i believe the internet has ruined everything , little kids were starved of attention before and now they are growing up just watching their parents stare at a screen .

[@lilasfaves7846]

Well no offence but you are on SM commenting on neg affect on people! A bit hypocritical?

[@Euro2024champs]

you will be when they find out you're a massive rightwing bigoted tw4t who peddles garbage.

[@Euro2024champs]

@@NOT_SURE.. yup, everything wrong in the world is because of the internet. You're clearly a reactionary moron living in a bubble.

[@pete3562]

Never a big Mumford fan so I didn't know Winston by name before his exit from the band. Have followed him since. He is an amazing, beautiful human. Andrew, you're very good at interviewing. This was an absolute joy to watch. Riveting to listen to from start to finish. ❤

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

agreed

[@shanemacbike2]

Yup, same, never a fan of the band, not my style of music is all, but after hearing this interview, Im now a fan of these two. Common sense conversation and debates is all I ask for in this world. But it seems even something as simple as that is too much to ask these days.

[@101242cg]

Apart from supporting fascism obviously.

[@riaan2540]

@@101242cg Troll

[@E4_MAFIA]

@@101242cgpeople like you muddy that word. Lmao. Congrats on helping to render it meaningless. Do tell us what fascist ideas they support.

[@chirelle.alanalooney8609]

What a wonderful Interview with Winston! Thank you so much!

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Very grateful for Winston's modeling in the public eye the taking of a stand against Authoritarian BS. His courage is commendable. God bless you, Winston!

[@twothreefiveone]

hahahahahahahahahaahaaa

[@ajc5479]

A wonderfully clueless comment LOL

[@DanAdlingtonOnline]

I respect Winston Marshall for standing up for what he believes in. I didn't know who Mumford & Sons were before this. I find the whole Woke movement very disturbing. Mainly because it's foundation is based off what you are born with rather than something you can change or improve with effort.

[@kirabarsmith9353]

"woke" is a banker agenda, of course, just like every other psy-op.

[@DieFlabbergast]

* based on ("based off"?? is, as the scientists like to say, not even wrong)

[@rogerforsman5064]

So... please define WOKE for us!

[@DanAdlingtonOnline]

@@rogerforsman5064 "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination" It's the idea minority groups have to be defended from discrimination from White people. Important to note this doesn't exist outside what is considered modern Left Wing. But it's everywhere in the media, corporatism, music, publishing and politics.

[@ghostfifth]

Woke culture is corporate culture coming out into the public.

[@sarahawdas8918]

Winston, you're a beautiful guy. Love your integrity. Andrew I am absolutely loving Heretics. You've got the best guests and I love your style. You do it with such ease and wisdom ❤

[@mgiaag726]

This listen was time well spent! Loved every minute. Thank you.

[@MK-Hogan]

LOVE that more people are speaking up against the insanity going on today. ❤

[@Euro2024champs]

the insanity is all in your head conjured up by the corporate media, grifters and conspiracy peddlers.

[@bc2578]

Too little, too late, but yeah.....

[@craighenslin5485]

You mean the made up insanity? People saying/doing something that causes reaction against them has been happening forever. The insanity is that people who happen to agree with that person just can't accept that their view may not be in the majority view. "Agree with me because reasons!" is their only way of viewing the world.

[@00TheD]

It's just a push and pull don't worry no one has really woken up. These are just people discussing the consequences they faced. Not discussing change. Be the change. We can't outsource the change we want to see. We are the insanity happening today

[@matthoffman8162]

You’re just out of touch.

[@koalanectar9382]

I do like their music, but the cowardice shown by his bandmates throughout the period of his cancellation was very disappointing

[@stephenpotts832]

Interesting thought. I suspect they wouldn’t see themselves as being cowards, at least not at that time. They were surrounded by people saying Winston was the bad guy. It would be interesting to see any of them being interviewed on what they thought at the time and what they think now.

[@kimgibbs5544]

Two reasonable, intelligent men speaking sense.

[@adifferentangle7064]

​@@stephenpotts832 Thankfully it is objectively true.

[@cordyone]

Its still so unfathomable to me that a rock and roll band could be so insipid, weak and spineless. There is no logic, no rebellion, no strength, no free will, no intelligence, and NO BALLS in Mumford and Sons! Winston left with his integrity. The manboys left in the band will forever have a niggling feeling in their tiny minds that they failed.

[@annoyingbstard9407]

They’re a bunch of rich kids desperate to portray themselves as with the downtrodden. Nauseating.

[@mikipiediaelburro7588]

There hasn't been a great rock band since Kings of Leon imo....identity politics poisons everything...specifically people

[@Camille_Anderson]

Some of these people are so open minded their brains have fallen out. Winston was honest & I agree with him. Great interview, Andrew!

[@chirelle.alanalooney8609]

You are exactly right Winston. If someone is Conservative and right wing, they Crusify you and hate you.

[@DLH.23]

If you are "middle of the road" politically, you are right wing to the majority of the music industry

[@powderandpaint14]

That depends on where the overton window is currently sitting.

[@paulstefi5714]

You learn to keep your mouth shut or they will immediately dress you in Maga gear.

[@user-xf4es7eh9y]

@@powderandpaint14 when deeply and obviously mentally ill, low conscientiousness, chaos agent reactionaries like Andy Ngo are considered "middle of the road" or in any way acceptable figures, you know your society is entering into a new dark age. straight up.

[@WarrenPeaceOG]

In absolute terms, both Democrats and Republicans are very Right wing economically and geopolitically. Different brand colours, mind you. This is why we have culture wars, to take people's minds off the plutocrats, their ethnic cleansing and genocide

[@rainmcmey]

as it should be, imagine being an artist and being middle of the road, no claim to bohemia, we don’t want them, they are more than welcome to their spot on joe rogan.

[@pblossom3757]

How can we know what we truly believe in unless we are sometimes able to read or be privy to what we don't.. We cannot live in echo chambers.. So much of life and conversation is nuanced and yet we are made to believe everything is extreme.. Its so sad that conversation is becoming so uncomfortable and bonds and friendship lost upon differences of what intrigues us..

[@toribern816]

That was a truly great comment. 🤍

[@pblossom3757]

​@@toribern816Thank you so much (((🤍))) means the world 🥰

[@roccoravello4738]

When there’s one that speak the truth, a leader is born and the world will know, and be saved. Truth will set us free !

[@blackeyedturtle]

Thank you for producing and posting this.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

He shouldn’t have apologised

[@KaileyB616]

They never should, but they always do 😕

[@jitkablahakova3073]

Yeah, Monday morning quarterback, should have could have. Who are you to criticize? He is doing great work.

[@jitkablahakova3073]

​@@KaileyB616its easy to criticize. He was in an incredibly difficult position. He has more than redeemed himself.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

You think he was right to apologise? Or to be forced to apologise for recommending a book?

[@janillingsworth7478]

Gosh what a struggle. I hear it in your voices . What to express, what not to? How honest or authentic can I be or should I just evade and hide? I admire you both for your genuine desire to be honest despite a very realistic fear that speaking out endangers you. How exposed we have become and how externalised. I think we have to live our life from the inside out and the more aware of the inner unfolding of who I am the more consciously I can interact with the outside world if I choose to, which in truth is less and less. Trying to live from the outside-in means we lose a sense of who we truly are . There is so much noise, tumult, and chaos going on it is essential that we find stillness and grounding from within. Sitting in a space where we can hear ourselves is essential. That still small voice of calm doesn't come from out there.

[@FRANCCO32]

Loved the chat thanks One thing to say on Jews. I grew up totally uneducated on what a Jew person was. All I ever heard was funny jokes in the 70s about how tight they are with money and the Germans killed them all for what reason I didn’t know or think about I just knew they were disliked and treated horribly. Growing up in the North East I probably may have not encountered many Jews. But if I did I could have only judged them on character and how they addressed myself. As I was ignorantly naive back in the day. I wish we were all ignorantly naive of each other from a religious perspective then we would only have character to judge others by.

[@muhc8550]

But character is valid because of God

[@user-tk1jj1cp9x4]

Every time I let my son walk to school alone, I remind him to watch out for those PDF files. "If it won't fit in a rich text document," I tell him, "then never get in a car alone with it."

[@user-so3kx5sv8r]

Winston is a thoughtful and measured person - no wonder his views did not fit into the music world

[@TheFarmhouseMom]

I’m really enjoying this new channel, Andrew. You’re too good of a reporter to just be stuck talking about the Royal family drama and cults.

[@francisdodson]

I second that!

[@ros1520]

Much more interesting than cults and celebrities

[@JaneA544]

There is a place for those topics too, let's nor limit Andrew who,I find an excellent interviewer, interesting and relatable. Winston is a fantastic interviewer with a promising future as a podcaster

[@tb1826]

I was never a Mumford & Sons fan, just hadn’t ever heard their music, but this man is so incredibly impressive. Has the vibe of a decent person and the character to support it. It sounds silly when I say it to ppl who aren’t as tuned in to the social climate, but I am so very grateful for his courage and integrity. These are bad times, and it’s ppl like him who might turn it around.

[@DarkAngel2512]

And he's dating Melissa Chen, lucky bugger

[@tb1826]

@@jamesmccaul2945you can tell a person’s character from their actions. He showed courage and integrity at a time when it is socially and professionally dangerous to do so. So no, I don’t mean he is like me so I like him. Objective good and objective bad exist.

[@stardustgirl2904]

He spent 14 years in Mumford and Sons and l think he deserves more then the band ! He's more on the intellectual side, like Russell Brand.

[@FionaKaneTheWellnessConnection]

Great interview, I really admire Winston for standing up for what is right, at great personal cost.

[@twothreefiveone]

hahahahahahahahaaaa

[@McGheeOH]

we got a bootlicker here and probably a ball licker lol@@twothreefiveone

[@Rflowers321]

*for what he believes.

[@bethotoole6569]

I honestly think this channel is stunning. Doesn't matter if I agree or disagree. Being able to listen to civil conversations between two interesting people. This is how I grew up. I was taught to always listen to the opposing side,, you might learn something. So glad you're bringing back a lost art form,,,

[@trouble9862]

💯

[@megaduck7965]

I watched a discussion between Tony Ben a Tory minister and Enoch Powell from the 70’s none of them agreed particularly. All of them where respectful enough to be able to let the other person finish and then address their points rather than jumping to personal attacks and stuff . Worlds away from current TV”debates “

[@bethotoole6569]

@@megaduck7965 We need more of that!

[@megaduck7965]

@@bethotoole6569 indeed we do

[@eighteenfiftynine]

​@@megaduck7965Benn and Powell were close friends, despite their divergence of opinion. Both thoroughly decent blokes IMHO.

[@acacia_w]

It's crazy that public figures are talking about having to divesify their work as an insurance against possible cancellation. F this shitty culture that we're living through.

[@viracocha03]

I'm 8 years clean from a heroine addiction. IT took me 3 years of sobriety to finally start feeling like "myself" again. IT can be a very hard road but the end result is worth every second of agony.

[@Camille_Anderson]

Well said! Congratulations on your sobriety & here's to many more. 💯👏👏

[@dorasneddon774]

The activists always claim that those who have opinions differing from theirs 'brought cancellation upon themselves'. Thinking has to be extremely distorted and narcissistic to assert that those you abuse are to blame for what you do to them.

[@AndrewGold1]

yep!!

[@rgghjs9270]

He quit the band himself... He showed support for stuff the band didn't like, he quit. No one is entitled to have accomodations made to keep them in Mumford and sons. If their views clash, they clash. He can start his anti-antifa (double negative..?) band and everyone's happy.

[@rogerflack415]

Most people "quit" their job rather than get officially thrown out, so let's put that one to rest. Following your logic you would support, for example, an employer with strong religious beliefs sacking somebody because they liked a tweet supporting LGBTQ rights by saying well, they can go off and start their own business. I mean they have just brought it upon themselves, right? You should only work for someone if you share the same beliefs, blah, blah, blah. What nonsense.@@rgghjs9270

[@zivkovicable]

I can't quite see how he's been cancelled. His Question Time appearance and a regular podcast hosted by the Spectator would suggest otherwise. Do some of his former fans and colleagues think he's a dick? Yes, but thats another matter entirely.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@zivkovicable right? "I've been cancelled" seems most often to actually mean "I'm a prick and everyone figured it out"

[@davidjohnbonnett]

I only knew this guy from Spectator Magazine, he's a fantastic interviewer for them. He doesn't need Mumford and Sons I reckon.

[@rgghjs9270]

He was so cancelled you only knew him from his published writing. Not his podcast though? So cancelled...

[@davidjohnbonnett]

@@rgghjs9270 did I say he was never cancelled? The point I was making was, I didn't know he was a musician, I just thought he was a damned good interviewer.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@davidjohnbonnett i was taking the piss out of the content and being cancelled as a concept. I didn't mean to upset you

[@errin-mp1zy]

@@rgghjs9270 Really, it seems you are trying to upset most people on here, if you dislike the bloke so much why are you even on this site?

[@rgghjs9270]

@@errin-mp1zy coz he platforms arseholes/bullies, and I enjoy pointing this out :)

[@Its_the_T-Rex]

stopped drinking at the age of 31 in march last year after 9 years of daily drinking. has not been easy, can't even imagine how hard it would be to quit whilst having such a stressful life. Respect, hope we both pull through.

[@maggiem.1539]

Winston is a man with empathy and morals! Never mind clever and well read. Good looking too😉

[@AKGagliano]

Awesome conversation guys. Winston is brilliant, honest, genuine, and extremely well spoken....very impressed.

[@i_kissed_a_pixie1537]

You do a great job of allowing a space for your guests to really open up.

[@BuckAngelOfficial]

I love him! Great interview thank you❤❤❤❤

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Thanks Buck ! If I do a tour of the US, we’ll have to get you on Heretics

[@neilmcdermid8376]

I laughed at the use of "pdf files" as a way to talk about the evil actors without infringing on the YT protocols. Very clever!

[@mikipiediaelburro7588]

It's very sly...I love it😂

[@maxprize829]

Andy Ngo is a hero and so is Winston.

[@Demoiselle21]

I like how Winston casually said at the beginning, when talking about his musical background "yeah, before that l was in a Bluegrass Sleaze Rap band" An everyday occurrence of course.. You are doing a great job Andrew. These interviews are engaging, professional, with appropriate settings and most of all you allow people to talk.

[@hollyyoung2850]

I’m definitely more of a lefty than you Andrew or Winston. People disagreeing with one another on social media is an obvious result of expressing views, but loosing your job? your passion? It is absolutely ludicrous.

[@apierce7828]

A man with principles and balls-what a concept

[@debzeh2264]

I admire and have such respect for Winston.

[@Cotictimmy]

History will judge that Winston behaved with honor & integrity whilst his for former friends and associates (who abandoned) him did not. Ps. Can make Winston say his favourite politician is Jeremy Corbin? 🤣

[@christheghostwriter]

Lol no

[@rgghjs9270]

He got sacked from the band, he didn't get abandoned lol. He's not a child, or a puppy. He was in a band, his bandmates found out he's a twat, they didn't wanna live on the road with a twat. Nothing to see here.

[@christheghostwriter]

@@rgghjs9270 exactly

[@mindsigh4]

​@@rgghjs9270 nothing to see? ..maybe i'm sheltered.. but it's not every day that i get to see a talkin twat!

[@Cotictimmy]

@@rgghjs9270 Everyone has just seen Winston interview for an hour & he's clearly not "a twat". As for you ... well ... Everyone can read what you've just written.

[@TheMagicSauce]

Saw Mumford & Sons live; great musicians, but not my music. I love Winston's bravery and am going to follow him now. And you, Andrew.

[@timliao3701]

I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. I know how you felt. I am a small business owner. I watched all my competitors post their BLM hogwash in 2020. I stood my ground and said, it ain't about politics, my business is about business, and I was an island. I stood my ground and didn't post any support for BLM and today I look back and know I was right.

[@tinasherrill6530]

Andrew, I have followed you a bit on your other channel, and appreciate your work on cults. This is the first time I’ve watched this channel but had to because… Winston! I love this work and just subscribed here. Healthy conversation is so needed.

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

Never apologies. If you have FU money always say FU.

[@Bender2323]

Great interview. Thoroughly enjoyed, cheers

[@onlygazza]

This guy did the right thing and it’s how people used to react to being ordered to say certain things that they don’t believe in. I really respect him because if you don’t have the courage to stand up for yourself or others in a bullying crowd you are the person who is doing the bullying ⚠️

[@tracy3364]

Brilliant...I love listening to podcasts like this, this is how I'm educating myself at 55 i don't read papers or watch the news anymore I don't trust them. Again brilliant

[@TheAllyathome]

Love this chat. I returned to the Catholic faith thirty years later. I know what Winston is saying, I am enjoying the reverence and order of a Catholic service. There is calmness amongst the chaos of this world that helps me ground and connect with God and my faith. I’m now starting to go to mass on a Wednesday to. Bless you both. Loving these heretic interviews Andrew 👍🏼🙏🏽

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

But it's nonsense

[@TheAllyathome]

Ill let Jesus know you said that, and its going to break his heart... just saying.... powers in your hands to be his friend or not. Im happy in my nonsense :) @@alexanderstefanov6474

[@GrowYourOwnGYO]

​@@alexanderstefanov6474 Nice argument

[@GrowYourOwnGYO]

@theallyathome The Catholic church just blessed gay marriage. Eastern Orthodox is the best path I think.

[@OzzieMozzie777]

​​@@GrowYourOwnGYOit hasn't been sanctioned. The press hates Christianity and pounces on every opportunity to twist the Papa's words because they know what a powerful force for good the original church once was and can be again. The more people they can discourage from returning, the better in their minds. Blessings to you and yours.

[@mongrelking5667]

I became aware of Winston through his interview with Peterson. Very thoughtful and well spoken fellow.

[@kjd9634]

Yids is how we refer to each other, away fans used to call us it to insult us, but now we own it and are proud of it, 90% of Jewish Spurs fans are pleased we use it!

[@sharper1953]

I love how Andrew conducts an interview. He is so honest and relatable.

[@fibanocci314]

It seems like he has a plan of what he wants to cover, but it's also capable of being flexible based on what the answers are.

[@amyalbertson217]

Love Mumford and sons music - had no idea any of this happened. Excellent interview!

[@toribern816]

Right? I like them too and had no idea about any of this.

[@tesscod2561]

I have seen them a couple of times in concert and Winston was an integral part of the band. I had no clue he departed the band and under such circumstances. A huge loss for Mumford & Sons

[@georgitomov5405]

Very genuine and thoughtful conversation. Thanks for this ...

[@20LookInside12]

Lovely Interview!! Hilarious that Winston calls Curling - Hurling. That gave me a chuckle during a relatively serious discussion. Can't wait to see that interview. THANK YOU.

[@reddwood4971]

Not a fan of the band at all. Always found Mumford and sons to be rubbish but I respect the guy for speaking his truth even if it’s unpopular. Crazy the woke mob is

[@SarahHollis-vp3fw]

Yes, group identity and also pursuit of personal advantage were key reasons people in Nazi Germany aligned themselves with the state and didn't challenge the gross inhumanity which characterised its rhetoric and operation.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

And fear. For most it was probably being terrified of the reprisals inflicted upon anyone suspected of not being 100% supportive of the regime

[@craigbuckley1758]

The list of things mid century mustache man did wong: .

[@jepulis6674]

People fail on their critique quite often. They might hate some aspects of a movement but come up as racists and people who would like to see trans-people in gas-chambers or without equal human rights. You can have a view of purely scientifical sex and still think adults should be called and treated by the gender they like with a few exceptions like some sports or other places where physical strength plays a role. Toilets are a non-issue as rapists rarely rape because it was convenient, they rape because they are horrible people. Its like banning marriage as some huspands rape.

[@Vingul]

@@craigbuckley1758so true.

[@lexiburrows8127]

@@craigbuckley1758 You mean the Socialist who ran Germany? The one that tried to genocide whole peoples and joined with Musl1ms to do so? Yes, the so-called 'Palestinians' fought on Germany's side during WWII as did Bosnian Musl1ms. All the M.E. and North Africa used the National Socialist model in their politics in fact. In fact, to paraphrase, 'Mustache man' said that the West had picked the 'wrong religion' and if Europe was Musl1m he could have used them to make him the ruler of the World, He would have ENCOURAGED I5lam in Europe, so don't run away with your false ideas of him.

[@lesleymarshall7611]

Brilliant discussion/interview... so interesting.. I'm not a Mumford fan but what a really nice but thought-provoking interview ... you're great too Andrew xx

[@FallingUP8]

Mumford and Sons was one of my favorite bands, love two of their albums and saw them live twice in Arizona. I was very upset when the band did not stand by Winston. I thought Winston was brave for sticking by his convictions. I also like how he had an open mind to actually read things and look for truth. So his bandmates not sticking up for him ticked me off. Most people piling on were not even fans of the band so they were just destroying themselves for nothing.

[@DarkAngel2512]

Isnt that funny, that prob actually the case with a lot of these things. When people try to get people cancelled and venues acquiesce there is no need.

[@themaybeblock]

You’re right, all his bandmates should have all capitulated to his dumbass privileged worldview so they would be stuck playing at NASCAR and Trump rallies for the rest of their lives.

[@kaneda010]

The rest of his band mates should be ashamed. They were, and remain, ignorant cowards. Most of us are cowards, that's the problem. People like Winston show us that there are higher ideals to strive for, he deserves all the success he gets from here on.

[@MACSADOT]

Im confused? Is the word Paedophile banned now? If so why?

[@andrewgoldheretics]

don't get me started...

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

@@andrewgoldheretics Oh go on

[@MishelleBee]

No WAY

[@Camille_Anderson]

​@@MishelleBeeyes, just like you have to say "unalived" for soo is side.

[@khkforest]

Andrew....you are knocking the ball outta the park with this channel. Not only mega important topics discussed openly but you yourself really show your true value as a journalist. Keep going ....this is important work 😊

[@user-io4uv2vm8x]

Good to know you don't do intro's now I know I'm getting the whole story. Love your interviews .

[@annavanstralen3841]

Yes awesome Winston. Love your thoughtful way of speaking and your obvious desire to gain wisdom and spread truth.