Andy & Stacie Wood on Following Rick Warren, Saddleback Succession, + Being Kicked Out of The SBC

[@lauragb3677]

I’m a Saddleback Online Campus member since 2016. Great interview with Pastors and Andy & Stacie.

[@JodiPace-rw7lv]

So blessed to have pastors Andy and Stacie as my pastors. God is so good!

[@josiahpetermann6216]

"Obey God and do it with love, and be gracious to those who disagree with us." Love it! Thanks Andy!

[@markstevens7838]

Really good interview. I am a member of Saddleback in Vancouver and it was really great to hear Andy and Stacie’s background to the SBC issue and how a minor theological position should not cause disunity. I also really appreciated hearing from Andy about his process of leaving Echo and coming to Saddleback. I miss Rick but am happy that God brought Andy and Stacy to Saddleback. God bless you guys.

[@garykingsbury4758]

As a member at Saddleback for almost 30 years, Rick and Key has impacted my spiritual life through their leadership and teachings than anyone else. And, their transition of church leadership to Andy and Stacie should be something studied as a great example for others. Andy and Stacie have been a fresh spirit for our church as we deal with the post Covid world around us. I really appreciate their emphasis on prayer, creating prayer shields over areas of ministry, creating a 24/7 prayer coverage of the church as a whole, and bringing in speakers to emphasize prayer. We are truly blessed to have them as leaders for this next season of our church!

[@yunasurie01]

Wow.. i am so impressed and blessed by Stacie Wood….. her heart, her humility, her greater vision for unity … amen

[@ryanlund1868]

I personally would disagree with where Andy, Stacie, and Carey (maybe) land on the topic of women as pastors, but two things I really appreciated about this interview: 1. Andy and Stacie’s stance to only be kind and gracious in public towards the SBC or anyone else who disagrees with them. That’s commendable. 2. Carey’s point about how often in churches where women are on staff but aren’t pastors, there’s a significant pay differential between those women and their male pastor counterparts. I may think the role of “pastor” is held for just men, but I also think people should be paid appropriately for the work they do. I am not in any position to affect that at our church, but good to be listening out for. Very well done interview. I’m glad you added on the last 30 minutes. Thanks to all three of you!

[@susiequsie1980]

Love Pastor Rick!!!

[@randino8478]

Carey, I just recently discovered your podcast interviews and I am eating them up! I have been in leadership in a few roles at smaller churches and in a few NonProfits. I love your interviewing style and the honesty and vulnerability of your great guests. While I have a fair amount of leadership experience, I have so much to learn. Good stuff; keep them coming.

[@CareyNieuwhof]

Welcome! So glad you found the channel.

[@carolinaguy81]

I'd love to hear Andy discuss the passages in Timothy and Titus that this is based on.

[@danielterry7717]

I recommend watching Mike Wingers' video series on women in ministry, this is definitely a Biblical issue

[@danielkim672]

100%

[@susandangelo271]

Stacie Wood is amazing, she has a heart for the lost and for youth and everyone!

[@RealLifeChurchStanleyNC]

Great content and still listening through it, but what is your microphone setup? It looks and sounds great. Hard to accomplish on a limited budget!

[@markansaw9399]

Pastoral male role is a Creation mandate. Not negotiable. 1 Timothy 2:12-13 [12] But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. [13] For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 1 Timothy 3:2 [2] An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife….

[@markansaw9399]

@@ShellyBellyBeans 2:11 A woman must … receive instruction. Women are not to be the public teachers when the church assembles, but neither are they to be shut out of the learning process. The form of the Gr. verb translated “receive instruction” is an imperative: Paul is commanding that women be taught in the church. That was a novel concept, since neither first century Judaism nor Greek culture held women in high esteem. Some of the women in Ephesus probably overreacted to the cultural denigration they had typically suffered and took advantage of their opportunity in the church by seeking a dominant role in leadership. quietly … submissiveness. “Quietly” and “submissiveness” (“to line up under”) were to characterize the role of a woman as a learner in the context of the church assembly. Paul explains his meaning in v. 12: Women are to be silent by not teaching, and they are to demonstrate submission by not usurping the authority of the pastors or elders. 2:12 I do not allow. The Gr. word for “allow” is used in the NT to refer to allowing someone to do what he desires. Paul may have been addressing a real situation in which several women in Ephesus desired to be public preachers. to teach. Paul used a verbal form of this Gr. word that indicates a condition or process and is better translated “to be a teacher.” This was an important, official function in the church (see Ac 13:1; 1Co 12:28; Eph 4:11). Thus Paul is forbidding women from filling the office and role of the pastor or teacher. He is not prohibiting them from teaching in other appropriate conditions and circumstances.

[@mikeblake8093]

Spiritual vs Scriptural. I kept hearing about keeping the Bible as our authority but i was NOT hearing the Bible quoted (Book, Chapter, Verse). Culture is so strong. Philosophy is dangerous. I would just give a warning. Positional leadership and titles are the lowest form of leadership there is. btw....Enjoyed the interview. Love your hearts.

[@danielkim672]

Agreed. Feeling what is right and Biblical is different than what is God actually saying to us in Scripture. It is easy to craft theology when someone talks about Godly things without using the Scripture as the foundation for everything.

[@thedzoo01]

I will say the story of Andys abusive leadership style are hard to ignore. Some of that oozes out in this interview if you listen carefully. I know its easy to dismiss the allegations of bad leaders but my red flags are everywhere on Andy. I think 18 months in you need to really listen to stories of staff from Saddleback, but I also think there will be a strong push from andy and his leadership style to push for "unity" and that will be the next sign of abuse. Hes also going to shrink his inner circle and Ill be will be tough for the staff to relate to. There is a pattern to leaders like this. Its one thing in a church he founded but I predict a high staff turnover after his first two years. It will be explained away as normal turn over. it won't be. I pray Im wrong. And to be clear I don't gave the inside scoop or any info. Just been around long enough to see trends with this leadership style.

[@markstevens7838]

John 17:20-23

[@thedzoo01]

@@markstevens7838 Agreed , unity is based in truth. so lets make sure that's the basis for sure. Remember there's more to the SBC history with Andy than just saddleback. I'm aligned with Andy theologically for sure. Just worried about the type of leader he is and even he in this interview warned about the bodies left behind by a leader. Which he has some apparently. Id like to see him address those.

[@bosunlt]

Saddleback knew what they were doing when they ordained female pastors before being kicked out of SBC to divert the attention away from the new pastor's abuse scandal. Internal investigation on the abuse scandal before hiring? What a joke! I wasted my 3 years serving this church. This church is also too woke.

[@gorddunbar7453]

It causes me deep sadness that it is even a debate about women in ministry, especially as we get closer to Easter. To whom did Jesus entrust the message of his resurrection? Women, and the men didn't believe them. So, then, who is best equipped if you take these passages as the inerrant word of God (which I do not)?

[@danielkim672]

you do not believe the Word of God is inerrant so why would you believe anything in the Bible? The teaching is clear. Miike Winger has spent hundred of hours putting together his study in the women in ministry series. Everyone should take a listen to it including Andy and Stacie. The Bible is the authority in the answers where here, it is all personal opinion.

[@DavidKHwang]

Great observation! The irony is: It’s not just women but Jesus appeared first to a woman, regarded as a sinner (Mark 16:9); not just men didn’t first believe them, but the leaders of men, Peter and John, as in John 20:3.

[@danielkim672]

@@DavidKHwang in regards to those observations, why do you think that the Bible's teaching about the office of pastor, elder overseer in the 'office' of the church is somehow abolished by this? These teachings are in harmony, not contradiction.

[@gorddunbar7453]

Regarded by whom? The scripture only says that Jesus healed her of seven demons. I interpret that as she lived with mental illness. Where is the sin in that?

[@johnathanevans5475]

Biblical basis for women pastors. Not women in ministry or teaching, but pastoring?

[@brenx2606]

Why not discuss the verses in the bible that talk about this. This sounds like pleasing people rather than following the authority of scripture. Explain how they came to this conclusion

[@Imsaved777]

And if you are one of those “Christians” who think we can just kick the can down the road on this sinful activity, just take a look at the splitting up of the United Methodist Church over homosexuality.