5 Reasons You Should NOT Start a Vinyl Record Collection

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Next, watch I react to comments from this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJLEd52lrcuhgpo Also, check out my video on why you might want to start a collection (these are reasons I love collecting, despite its occasional pitfalls): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrIhoFooZqNpas

[@Cthulumarymagdona]

Its like you had your sex amd telling other's not to have sex they will regardless!

[@StuntrockConfusion]

Is that a weak attempt to thin down the competition?

[@ChatGPT1111]

Click bait. Tune in to find out why a record collector would tell us not to collect records.

[@marzunca]

Totally! 😂

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

That or 100% ignorance or click bait (good one, whoever said that, very well spotted, I may have been 'had' out of vinyl interest

[@chrisrees7054]

That's exactly what he's trying to do

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

The paranoia, FOMO, jealousy and baseless conspiracy mongering that goes with obsessive record collecting as demonstrated by this thread is more proof the hobby is bad for your mental health.

[@bruceluisvlogs5222]

He just trying to scare everybody so he can get all the vinyl

[@nealagaliher3977]

Exactly 😂

[@hershey5790]

Facts 😂😂😂

[@V3ntilator]

Meanwhile Limited Edition vinyls have been confirmed to be a SCAM, because it takes years before they sell out. At some point Limited Edition vinyl gets 50% discount, so they can get rid of them.

[@itsjvck1]

I think that having a healthy relationship with vinyl collecting is possible for anyone, but it’s also easy to go off the deep end. I only buy vinyls that I love, and I’m trying to make sure to keep my collection concise, balanced, and not overinflated. Also, not having everything you want is part of the fun and thrill of collecting vinyl.. or really collecting anything. It’s all a journey with no destination. Have fun with the ride, and don’t get too serious about it.

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

Not having some L.P.s, esp' a few I've not heard for many years does not represent fun for me, or I'd be throwing away my most rare favourites L.P.s just for the buzz, the real thrill is finding one in a charity shop or thrift store that you've been longing to hear. My last find, the 1'st eponymous titles Funkadelic not as a repress but as the superiour original early'ish pressing was more of a buzz to me than not finding it. Tho I can hear most yearned-for & my most missed tracks / albums on tube & far less so on Spotify, it's not in the same league of sound quality, & the fact the Internet is vital to do so, takes away the usefulness of ownership. My biggest prob' is finding L.P.s in my sloppy storage placement, or lack of proper placement with some order, there's so many diff ways to categorise my collection of every genre known to mankind & recorded, transcribed from wax cylinder recordings in some cases like Django Rienhart & the Hot Club, Ravel playing Ravel & many more oldies that are not available on Spotify or on tube & uber-rare on L.P. I have the old pre-rec musi- cassette version of some rare 1's I've never found the L.P. for. Stravinsky conducts Stravinsky better than any version of his work I've heard, but I've never seen the L.P. version, I get no thrill from not finding wanted stuff for hearing, not & never just collecting for completion of a bands work. Guess it's all about the music hearing & knowing I can play it at will & better sounding than streaming, all above is just i.m.o. of course.

[@yosh_00]

@DEIMOS_MCOMwhy Kanye you knows he’s a Nazi right

[@Pastaboy23]

Cus hes the goat ​@@yosh_00

[@aldairreynoso2564]

Opposite for me actually... kinda. I only buy albums I think would make for an interesting collection, my favorite band are the arctic monkeys but I'll own the cd's not the Vinyl. That being said my collection consists of albums I wouldn't typically consume. Clairo, Phoebe, Movie soundtracks. They're not something I spend day to day listening to but I appreciate. There's no real point (in my opinion) owning vinyl albums that you already listen on spotify anyway. The vinyl collection should be something separate from it. Like wine only opened on special occasions.

[@ericdaniel2638]

Well said

[@zundap100]

Collecting vinyl is a beautiful hobby and I love it.🙂

[@ianswift3521]

Not if you don't listen to the records. I won't be gracious or tolerant or patient for people who buy records to collect dust or for pretty large / alternative cover artwork to put on their wall. I found out through some german nerd on facebook back in 2015 that some people dont even listen to them and that's a serious problem for the music I listen to which often has one-time-pressings of 500 copies and no reissue or repress.

[@xboxhaslag_69]

As someone who is in love with outdated media (vhs, old game consoles, ect) i will start my record collection and there is nothing you can do to stop me

[@Grimace_Integ420]

Yoooo, I don’t know very many people that like VHS!! Do you own any? If so what movies or tv shows do you have?

[@VincentGonzalez-k2j]

@@Grimace_Integ420a lot bro

[@ianswift3521]

VHS can go to hell. collect betamax if you're going to get into video tapes. VHS is absolute garbage quality.

[@ianswift3521]

but I can understand getting a VHS of something that's exclusively on that format.

[@sinbysin666]

1. Availability - I'll just buy a different record. 2. Fragility - I have some ragged records, that have been stored badly, that sound fine (turn down treble, and turn the bass up) 3. Expenses - fuck limited edition, coloured vinyl, and box sets. I'll take your dad's beat up Van Halen record, thanks 4. Storage - what am I gonna use those shelves for? Plants? 5. Transport - eh... yeah true

[@michealfunickrr3717]

let's get 5. figured out. is there a way to make master pressing plates from a new vinyl record or if u have 2 of the same record will that help to derive the analogue to a master being manufactured from? what tech is available to derive the vinyl music i really want to know? a solution would certainly help in 5. take certain tracks make smaller records or redesign entirely.

[@FirebirdVRGaming]

literally what was the point of the moodists single story he talks about how he doesn't let other ppl touch his records then how he dropped his and it cracked, that's not them being fragile he fuckin dropped it

[@Patracat]

Haha, love this response😅

[@mabuie]

This response here! All that needs to be said

[@ianswift3521]

@ #3, if the reissue has a new master or new cut then it's worth it for true fans to get the release. fan is short for fanatic, meaning mindless, without reason.

[@bmmaaate]

The space and money arguments don't matter to me. If I had no media collection I would be sat in an empty room staring at a screen that would need to be upgraded every time a new device came out. Not to mention all those subscription fees. My friend spends more money on owning nothing than I do on new releases.

[@mikereiss4216]

I agree. This is why I buy cds. However, I would like to have a small vinyl collection again at some point (when I say small I mean 4-600 albums).

[@leehale5828]

I started collecting vinyl in 1974 and have never looked back.

[@micheletagliaferro6708]

Do you sell?

[@leehale5828]

@@micheletagliaferro6708 No, not at this time.

[@Curious.Calico]

How old are you? Thats actually a impressive time to be collecting.

[@wylieroth3145]

Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm 65. I get a kick out all the folks these days paying stupid $ for re-issues that we probably bought upon release back in day.

[@adamfindlay7091]

Went into a ' classic t Record ' store a year ago. Myfriend wanted to. The guy who ran the place ws pleasant friendly inviting. I told him i buy cds/ cassettes. He said, smiling, " Vinyl is fun!" He had a new Beatles rec for $50... No thanks. Got it for 10$ on cd.

[@alexshopov6802]

Too late mate.Already addicted and can’t stop buying 😁

[@AndyFenstermaker]

You and me both…

[@LuciaMae1324]

Too real

[@Records-f3u]

same

[@TrevorDodd-ev1sx]

I am recovering vinyl collector. It became an obsession of chasing down rare albums, buying expensive albums for a better quality sleeve, vacuum record cleaner, carbon brushes and importing anti static sleeves from Japan. Even the sleeve had its own sleeve. One day I realised I had a problem and sold everything. Now I am happy and actually enjoying music again with a decent set of headphones and my phone.

[@winstonruffian]

dude!! im gonna go this way but probably with cd's! It's a fun hobby, but jesus I've met some older guys at the record fair that say they have 60,000 records! I can't end up like that

[@TrevorDodd-ev1sx]

@@winstonruffian it creeps up on you and I realised that I'd been spending more on my record collection than my mortgage by quite a way. I even ended up using carrier bags / thrift stores from charity shops so the wife at the time thought that is where I had bought them from. We were in a record shop that specialised in rare vinyl and when she saw the prices she was shocked especially when she realised that I had most of the very expensive albums and sometimes two or three of the same album.

[@jlm8699]

After HF hearing loss, I just really enjoy the music now

[@bertroost1675]

I used to chase all that extra stuff but I stopped about 10 years ago. I still buy vinyl and CD's. I have around 2500 records and I have plenty of space for them. I live rural so that helps a lot, meaning my home is big enough and I have out buildings too.

[@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395]

@@TrevorDodd-ev1sxbro what in the world

[@Marvelpic]

Great video man I can definitely relate to a lot of things you said. The things we do for Music lol.

[@djclubberlangley]

Collecting vinyl is my #1 love, and I have been doing this for many years. When we moved to the USA, 70% of what we brought from the UK was my vinyl collection, and I don't regret it one bit. I agree that nowadays, collecting vinyl is a different beast when compared to the 'good old days,' but you can't beat it for appreciation, and sounds amazing when mixed well.

[@travisw6378]

Ok if your young and want to build a collection, ignore what he’s saying, u can do it on the cheap, hit garage sales, estate sales and thrifts, if u find a rare album u don’t like, sell em and buy stuff you want. Stay outta the hype and fomo that many collectors that started anytime after 2008 can fall into like this guy, not intended to insult him, just how I see it

[@NorahV82]

Well too late. I can't help 😊. I love listening my records. I am okay with finding 🙂 the unicorn. 😮 it's a wonderful high. 😊

[@robertdrinkall8947]

Agree 100% I love vinyl & have a fair collection, but LP's are getting too expensive now, I usually won't pay more than £25 for a single LP, availablity of new material is often a issue in the UK. Good video👍

[@RUfromthe40s]

i never paid more than 50 cents for a single and 4€ for an LP but that´s your problem, overpaid records singles or LP´s

[@Cthulumarymagdona]

Its like you had your sex amd telling other's not to have sex they will regardless!

[@bmmaaate]

Collecting vinyl was fun over the last 20 years when great stuff was unwanted and 50p/50c but now everybody things their destroyed Beatles 7" is worth £100 and new albums are £30+. I'm in the process of starting to sell.

[@RobSpencer-uq3og]

For 50p a disc right? 😂

[@bmmaaate]

@@RobSpencer-uq3og I list them at ridiculously high prices on discogs, some have sold, others I have taken to the second hand shop. If people are willing to pay up. I'm happy to make a huge profit.

[@imabozoMeng]

@@bmmaaate should read some more history books. Skim thru until reaching the part about physical media being stolen and/or locked away by tyrants. Or when an empire had collapsed, and what do you know, no physical record of anything; knowledge, science, or the arts. Physical media is not more expensive today when compared with 40 years ago, simply because..there's a reason, lol

[@johnross2924]

​@@RobSpencer-uq3og🤣

[@stevenmassey41]

I only buy secondhand - mostly garage sales, and FB marketplace. I am in no hurry. Some years I score big, others I don't. I have other hobbies to keep me occupied when I am going through a vinyl dry spell. Its the hunt for me, and I only want original releases. Walmart can keep their $40 albums. I pay $1-$2 or buy in bulk, and resell what I don't want/need.

[@ianswift3521]

buddha fckin allah, facebook marketplace? ... talk about the record world's red light district...

[@maryma333]

My record collection is valued at $30,000....try getting that from your digital music. Plus the art is just as fun to look at. The sound is so warm, like butter. Some artists ONLY release on vinyl. Because the sound is so different, if you're an audiophile you know. Nothing beats it.

[@ontheturningaway]

Good for you, if your house burns - all gone. Also the sounds make little difference because vinyl is an inferior medium compared to digital.

[@JC-lu4se]

@@ontheturningawayChances of your house burning is?

[@josetarango4168]

Im in Japan right now where Vinyl records are 500-1000¥ which is less than 10 bucks. I got myself some really rare records for 50$ for what would’ve cost me hundreds of dollars in the U.S. if you’re into it I would go to record stores while traveling outside of the US to get some cool records

[@AndyFenstermaker]

THIS! Back when I lived in Washington, I’d head to Vancouver BC regularly. The exchange rate was great and I scored some gems for a lot less than I’d pay in the US too! Japan has a really great indie music subculture as well that would be great to dive into while visiting - I’ve imported a few indie pop albums and singles from there over the years.

[@Grimace_Integ420]

It’s the hurt that makes the music worth it, plus… if you eBay or auction an old or rare record, even with the $500-$5,000 price… to me it’s worth it. It’s such an amazing hobby

[@MetalMan73100]

I get it. I haven´t had any vinyl since 2001, after switching exclusively to CDs in the mid-1990s. I still buy CDs all the time, and am now at just over 4000 units on my shelves, which are full to the brim. Add over 300 CDs sitting in a closet due to room constraints and the problem becomes clear. But will I stop buying CDs because of that? Certainly not. That´s not how it works, LOL.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Yep. I'm the same with vinyl. Do you regularly play the CDs? That was my issue with those -- I just never played them! Though I do spin about 5-6 records a day on average.

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

How many of your CDs suddenly stopped playing after 10'yesrs ir less, for no reason, or suddenly fail to have their track numbers load & hence not play, or just start skipping, all despite no holes in the varnished over label side which has the data underneath. When Phillips announced their new CD music carrier, it's shown to press prototypes were a data layer totally sandwiched between 2 discs of polycarbonate, see through plastic. But when it came to production, they decided to massively cut manufacturing costs by having just one poly' see through disc with the silver data layer stuck to one side & read through the poly'plastic layer from the other side, the only thing protecting the data layer is the label & varnish. Thats why many folk like me have 10% of my CDs do the above mentioned things, the data layer "oxidizes" over time & gets slowly destroyed, climate & humidity depending. None of my 2K plus L.P. have never ever done that in 50 years of collecting since I was 16

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

& if you'd heard your vinyl on a decent but (crucially) a properly aligned m.c. cartridge via a good phono stage plugged in your pre- or integrated amp, & then compared any recording on both formats, all else being the same ...no fricking way would you have turned to CD. But I'm indirectly glad folk did when I pick up a rare'ish near mint s/h L.P. i'd long wanted, but I feel pity for them not upgrading to hear their albums in all their intended & got glory

[@gamerincorporated154]

​​@@The-Spotlight-Kid Thats probably because you got those bootleg CDs with music burned on them. I got actual store bought CDs from the late 80s and 90s that still play without problems but some burnt CDs i got stopped playing in some CD players for no reason

[@frizzlefry1921]

​@@The-Spotlight-KidOr the cdplayer focus failing and jamming the lens into your favorite cd? Nice gash half way around the thing... p.o.s.

[@davepounds8924]

This is coming from a guy with a wall full of records???? Come on man!!! You’re not the guy to tell someone not to collect!!

[@AndyFenstermaker]

😆 It's less a directive statement and more a warning on what they're considering getting themselves into 🤷‍♂️ I wouldn't trade collecting for anything!

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

​. Well said

[@chimchu3232]

​@AndyFenstermaker I get what you're doing an I appreciate the video. I'm considering getting into collecting, I actually have a single vinyl record, with nothing to play it on rn. I love music, and I like owning albums that I like, but I'm not sure if I want to be a record collector

[@pwmoso]

@@chimchu3232 I also had a single record with no turntable for multiple years until recently, now I’m like $5000+ deep lol

[@Anyone553]

I still have all of my vinyl since my teenage years

[@aggielonghorn]

I decided to be "music" collector. I invested in my stereo system so that I have a nice record player, a 5-disc CD changer, and a double cassette deck. So I buy records, cassettes, and CDs and I'm able to get great deals on a lot of used media because I'm not locked in to a single format as I hunt. I even managed to integrate an old laptop into my stereo system. On that laptop, I still have 3,000 or so mp3s and they also play through my amp and speakers. So between these four formats, I have so much of the music I love ready to be enjoyed and I've been able to avoid overpaying for records. Frankly, I have bought about 4 times as many CDs as records which is fine for me. I really have the best of all worlds.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

I love the concept of framing a collection as a library. That’s exactly what mine is, and I probably listen to an average of 5-7 albums a day on vinyl alone.

[@fatsacks70]

Some of the best things in life require effort. Just seeing my collection makes me happy, let alone playing it.

[@matthewanderson2351]

Cost isn't an issue if you're collecting mainly 45s and 78s. I only occasionally get albums. I don't buy expensive records unless it's an original Buddy Holly single on 45 or 78, or if it's a Sun single on 45 or 78.

[@marksalamon619]

I was born in the mid-1950s, just about the same time that vinyl LPs were first introduced, so I grew up with the format and I was very familiar with its limitations (just as you have described in this video). After years of using vinyl, however, I found I was listening less and less to music on LP because I was tired of the labor it involved. When I bought a CD player and started collecting compact discs it immediately became apparent to me how much easier it was to access music, and I soon stopped using my turntable altogether. Eventually I decided to sell my turntable and give my LPs away to a friend. I have never seriously considered reinvesting in vinyl because CDs are providing me with what I want (and I really don't miss the diligence of the LP hobby).

[@bertroost1675]

I understand your decision but I find the mastering on older original pressings to be better than a lot of modern digital formats. I am not sure (maybe you can tell me) if a person can even find out which version of a digital file they are listening to is via a streaming service?

[@marksalamon619]

@@bertroost1675 Unfortunately, it seems to be true that producers of digital audio formats have often been guilty of bad mastering. I have reached 2 conclusions about vinyl vs. digital. First, what turntable owners sometimes refer to as vinyl sound is actually due to the sonic characteristics of the cartridge, not the vinyl medium. Second, the most important factor by far for the fidelity of both vinyl and digital audio is good mastering. Well-mastered digital sounds just as good as vinyl. I'm afraid I can't offer advice about streaming formats because I listen primarily to Classical music on CD, and I have no expertise concerning music that is streamed digitally.

[@bertroost1675]

@@marksalamon619 I enjoy both vinyl and CD too. A cartridge is the same as a DAC. Good ones and bad ones. But I have never really heard a terrible one of either. Just some are better than others, in my opinion.

[@ProfessorOaks-f5q]

First time watching this channel...all of the reasons you gave to NOT collect are precisely the reasons all of us DO collect 😊

[@lukegerst6119]

I’m so glad you said all of this. It’s an addiction that can’t be stopped. So I urge you not to start😭

[@leoallan2225]

Yeah, I use to have like 300 Vhs tapes not to mention Dvds that I have in which I had much more, but now I only have like 50 vhs tapes, in one box, and records especially would take up alot of space, so I get that, but I'm more into Cd's, cassettes, and movies myself, with the occassional record. My relatives like my sister think I'm weird for collecting my stuff in general. Yet my nephew has a extensive shoes collection, lol.

[@prodigy_xd]

Thanks, cool video. Straight to each point, not too long, not too short. I recently started to buy vinyl again just to "own". I have no plans to "collect" everything i ever liked, i have 40+ playlists on streaming to tell me that just isn't possible.. I said to myself i only gonna buy albums that have a meaning to me. Like the "cool album your best friend introduced you when you was 16" or "favorite album the day i left high school" etc.. That way the collection will probably not grow over my head. I will put some up at the wall and probably rotate the selection every now and then, keeping memories fresh. I think that's a good strategy to go about it. Not everything, just the most favorite in the best possible version. I also leave them sealed because when i listen i do it via streaming.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Good stuff! And welcome to vinyl! I usually say collection, but I don’t see it much like that these days. It fits the definition, but I also like to think of it as a library. Mine gets heavily used, though, and I’ve spun well over 1,000 records already this year. Thanks for chiming in!

[@jordandesorcy7941]

Keep the one you truly like and get rid of the one that you don't like.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Easier said than done 😅

[@t206kid]

As a husband whos wife collects vinyl it is def a challenge, she has over 800 albums (most though she has paid under $15 for over a 10 year period) The worst things in my opinion are the space it takes up, they arent great to look at just on a shelf, and then moving them. Since I have known her we have had to pack these things and move them 3 times so far with a 4th time coming up in the not too distant future

[@bertroost1675]

Why do you move so much?

[@t206kid]

@@bertroost1675 while we were dating she moved apartments twice, then we got married and moved into our home. That was move number 3. #4 hasn't happened yet, maybe a bit before that happens afterall

[@dietmarsteiner1070]

72 seasons/Metallica (2LP) 50€/52$, Memento mori/Depeche Mode (2LP/3sides) 55€/58$, Hackney diamonds/Rolling Stones (1LP) 40€/42$...and many more are the reason why i don't start to collect vinyls again!

[@michaelmathes1991]

I noticed your Billion Dollar Babies, Stanger's in the Night by U.F.O. I have the originals when they came out. I have about 700 albums from the 70's and 80's. Just started collecting some. Glad I kept them.

[@stinkenstine]

Lol! That’s why we all start collecting. Because of all of it.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Yep. There are definitely reasons in here that can also be countered as a reason TO start one *shrug*

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

I've been collecting L.P. records since I was 16, for 50 years now. A few I still have since then, many I bought in the 1970's & 1980's have been played countless times, 100 or hundreds maybe, I don't count but the reason I have no groove damage on them, & no added ticks or pops on s/h L.P.s** that had some, is because I am meticulous in aligning my cartridges needle precisely with alignment protractors & made sure later linear tracking tonearms are playing along the records true radius. (**None unless I've dropped or knocked one) I'm sick of hearing folk say "you can only play L.P. 2 or 3 or even 50 times max' (is =y ridiculous) before they become unplayable. People who say anything like that are either parroting or do not realise nothing destroys vinyl's groove more than a sharp diamond banging around left & right because the idiots don't realise that doesn't mean "roughly alighed" ...it means "precisely aligned" I've had about 10 CDs without scratches or cracks that suddenly start skipping or suddenly fail to have their contents read for no apparent reason & on more than 1 player, this has never happened to any L.P. I have, tho the reason I prefer vinyl is it's higher dynamic range despite CD's theoretical max' dynamic range ...it's never used but in the 80's, CDs sound was compressed in the "Loudness Wars" where the louder of 2 sources is supposed to sound the better of the 2, it does not, CD is sterile, uninspiring compared with a decent vinyl t/table & phono stage, all else being the same. All my friends who once thought swallowed the hype in the mid 80's are mildly to extremely flabbergasted hearing one of my L.P. that I or they have the CD version of, when hearing them both in any order, any vollume. People, don't buy into the lie that Vinyl is crap & L.P.s only play a few times b4 they become unplayable, it's fabricated or created out of sheer ignorance. I've heard hi-res' streamed & it's very slightly better that red-book CDs.

[@andersdottir1111]

Even a good cassette sounds better than cd. I have Astral Weeks on both format and the cassette is wayyy warmer in tones, the cd is very tinny and thin.

[@sandr6769]

I'm watching this and I'm years into the collecting, which taught me some - It's easy to buy a record, but hard to sell it. - Vinyl needs space. - Maintain your collection like if it was your lawn. But considering all of that, I would still recommend starting vinyl collecting, because it's a great hobby. You don't need to go into limited runs - buy used, look for bargains.

[@WALDENSOFTWARE]

True. I started with interest in limited runs, but luckily lost that interest. Now I value buying directly from the artist or from a known dealer face to face.

[@tedskullhammer]

Sounds like *someone* is doing their best to get lower prices and better availability for their vinyl collection ;). Well played, sir. Well played, lol ;)

[@ricol1437]

Awesome video! I started pro sound, DJing house music and collecting wax in the early 90s. I recently sold all my vinyl and technique 1200's. I have done this before and then came back to collecting but I'm done with it. It was hard to do but you are right. Carrying 60 pound crates,1200's in the cases plus the mixer and lights and having to constantly clean the grooves and needles. Nostalgic but I do not miss it. Even using Serato was the same issue and that was when digging thru the crates at record stores meant only .75 - 3.00 a album. Beastie boys licensed to ill was under $8 on wax at that time. Shout out to FlipSide Records that was in Kalamazoo Michigan! I would recommend if you want to get into Vinyl shop smart, ask relative's what they have stored in the attic or basement. Vinyl is not rare so start your treasure hunt!

[@cassandra2685]

I just want music from the 1940’s to recreate that magic vibe in my house

[@HowToHomeLife]

I've always hated vinyl records, even when I was a kid, that is why I tried to make a tape recorder in the fourth grade, I didn't succeed obviously, but at least I tried! The ticks, and pops, plus surface noise, and the eccentricity of vinyl records drove me (when I had enough money), to purchase a used teak A1500U, reel-to-reel tape recorder, but I could easily still hear the difference between "source and tape", the dreaded tape hiss. In 1978 as an engineering consultant for the "Great American Sound Co., I traveled to Japan to visit GAS dealers and the Tokyo Electronics Show. In the Sony booth at that show, I saw for the first time, a model PCM-1, 12-bit digital processor playing music from the video track displaying thousands of black and white, undulating bits on the monitor, from the same SL-8200 Beta max VCR I had at home, I had to own one of these! In 1983 I attended an AES meeting featuring Marshall Buck who was presenting his new "coaxial two-way" loudspeaker he had designed for Cerwin-Vega! In his demonstration he was utilizing a "vocal-only" recording of a female singer that sounded fantastic with an incredible "dynamic range" and no background hiss. Immediately after Marshall's demonstration, I walked up and asked him what equipment was playing back his recording of this singer? He pointed to this diminutive silver box, and said I'm using a Sony PCM-F1, 16-bit Digital Audio Processor and a VCR. I said how much for the PCM-F1. He said $1,500.00, and I said sold! I built a portable recording rig that included the PCM-F1 and other custom-made equipment that I utilized for various musical performance recordings made on location and I won an Emmy for an outdoor performance of the opera Faust! I've been a digital advocate ever since, if you wish to learn more about my current endeavors, search KZbin with the following: "JBL SYNTHESIS CREATOR", and ALSO: "HOWTOHOMELIFE". If you have questions, feel-free to call me @ 818-314-7275 Pacific time. David Riddle

[@cjsvinyl]

It's too dang expensive? We know! My wife and I had to sell our favorite kid in order to afford 3 new REALLY rare LP's. True story!

[@Patracat]

Ha ha ha😅😅😅😅

[@bluetarantulaproductions6179]

Sounds like your saying "Don't buy vinyl....because I want the good stuff for my collection!"

[@Reed-Publications]

I appreciate the honesty. It's rare these days!

[@OllieSach]

Great video!

[@nooby5236]

bro trying to scare the competition 😭🙏

[@stevedavies7722]

First record I bought was 1963 stones I wanna be your man. Still collecting now

[@doobyboy21]

Here is a trick you can do on all those hard to find or expensive vinyl records you are desperately looking for... Have you ever heard of custom vinyl ? As funny as it is they will print you a vinyl record and the album covers and record middle stickers. I was looking for the first Danzig album and they are super rare and very expensive... So I downloaded the songs from the album and covers to make it to the exact replica and it was ! The vinyl plays flawless and you couldt tell it was a bootleg ! Got if for more than half the price at $100 !

[@Patracat]

Now that is a great trick!

[@V3ntilator]

After prices of Vinyl of discs increased to 45-70 bucks last year, i don't buy much vinyl anymore. Also, vinyls that cost 15 bucks in 2023 now cost 45-50 bucks. And this: Limited Edition vinyls have been confirmed to be fake, because it takes years before they sell out.

[@nicola.terraroli]

after i've watched behind you I have to start a new one😂

[@oiygfdxssfgg]

I agree with you, I've stopped adding to my record collection, I got tired of buying new records only to find that they are defective. I bought a streamer and thats what I listen to now from my phone, super easy and hundreds of tracks at my fingertips.

[@derianimp]

I’ve been collecting for half my life so it’s a bit late now!

[@AndyFenstermaker]

At this point I’ve gone a bit beyond half my life 😳

[@derianimp]

@@AndyFenstermaker Well I’m still a youngster

[@AndyFenstermaker]

@derianimp I started somewhat early too 🤷‍♂️

[@derianimp]

@@AndyFenstermaker I started around age 10 and Im 21

[@AndyFenstermaker]

@derianimp OK, you got me beat. I got my first new record at age 19, though I’m sure I had a few prior to that. I consider that one my first. An original copy of Keep It Like A Secret by Built to Spill from ‘99. Just turned 43 🤷‍♂️

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

"Take it from me" ....err, no thanks, it's bollocks. Do I typify a deffinate but not unanimous comment trend here?

[@djcolourzone]

You are right... I have about a 1000 record collection and I am done. Many of my classic rock, Soul and limited edition dance 12 inch are worth in the thousands, according to Discogs and other sources. But as everything it is all about supply and demand. What do you recommend I do with my collection Mr. Fencepost Dude ? Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

[@Kaspurr84]

25 years and only 2800 albums? is that even a collection? That is an insanely low year by year ratio.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

It’s a curated one. I do my best to keep it contained and not have a hoard. It grows but slowly. 3 in, 1 out.

[@VinylGloParkingLot]

5:20 I like that sound anyway… 😅

[@yorkemar]

Ive noticed you can still get some great cheapies at sh shops.,or fairs that have really worked out..altho I check and sometimes play them before purchase. what has helped is the newish project vacumn record cleaner I bough...albiet it was half price. I only got it because have 500 lps from 72 onwards....Good sh stock is getting thinner on the ground tho.

[@henrys3629]

I collect a certain label and they are like 100 each+ There's 100 titles to look for. I will say, I got an autographed LP at Barnes & Noble for $5 because the cover was wrinkled.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

I’ve picked up a number of great used releases at a discount due to flaws or imperfections as well. Sometimes you can get some pretty great deals because a record has a highly visible scratch that doesn’t actually impact play!

[@Jdtunn]

If a record was $20 in the 50s or 60s, that would be about $100 in today's turns. That is not cheap

[@MantraHerbInchSin]

First thing you should be doing right now : Go to bed! It is late at night! No, it is actually early in the morning. So perhaps stay awake and go to bed early tonight instead

[@Kr1zppyykr3mmyy]

I think having your top 30 or so favorite albums and some cool vinyls you find at antique stores is a healthy way of collecting vinyl

[@jordjord9859]

The hell you care with vinyl enthusiasts? You don’t need to dictate them with what they like to do most.

[@litestuffllc7249]

Some records are scarce? Right, some recordings only exist on Vinyl; scarce is better than none? Yes they are fragile; especially 78s.Prices are only high when demand is high & supply limited; your other choice is not having the music. Rational has a limited basis for buying new recordings on Vinyl; unless you think they will be an investment, or Vinyl is the only source. Records can take space but you don't need to have hundreds; that is a choice.4&5 are the same. A turntable doesn't need to be large; nor do you need to have big speakers; those are individual choices; you can collect them like stamps never playing them or use headphones.

[@nycrhythmcom-Vnylperv9pmfriday]

Vinyl is the future....VP

[@theoaktownhellbilly]

I’ve been collecting vinyl for two years now. I most listen to punk rock which sounds terrible anyway. There are many punk albums that sound quite different on vinyl compared to digital or CD. Two that come to mind are The Exploited- Punk’s Not Dead and Black Flag🏴- Damaged It brings me so much joy to crate dig in Oakland, Los Angeles, and Sacramento. I don’t want more than 500 or so records. For me it’s an escape. A bit expensive but so much fun. You have an impressive collection. I’m glad I found your channel. Great Non MALT LIQUOR Video.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

I touch on that briefly in tomorrow’s video - that some albums sound a lot different on vinyl, and in a good way. Thanks for checking out the channel! I’ve had pulling together a post punk list on my video ideas list for a while…

[@theoaktownhellbilly]

@@AndyFenstermaker Outstanding! As soon as you post it up, I’ll check it out. Another is Crass’ The Feeding Of The 5000. It’s a terrible album by any measure. But it’s like two different listens compared to the digital version. I do MALT LIQUOR Videos and showcase my records. The beauty of this is that I’ll never run out of things to talk about. I won’t take up any more of your time so have a great evening!

[@michaelsevilla3697]

punk rock sounds great period ✌️

[@Christina_Bodmer]

I get your point, but some people just love the experience of listening and love how records look. Most of my records are unopened. Or I’ve opened them just to photograph them for my Instagram and put them back in. So I don’t have the time to sit and listen because it is timely to do this when you have four children from 20 months to eight years old. And I wanna keep my kids away from my collection, but my husband gave me a room in the basement that has my home Mariah Carey member Amelia collection. I’m not showing this video to my husband because he hates my record collection! I currently have over 750 records, including 200 Mariah Carey variations (promos, exclusives, pressings, etc.). I just love tangible music. In the 90s, I was a Columbia House member and still have all my original CDs and cassettes in great condition. Music is my hobby. I’m thinking of starting a KZbin channel focused on my vinyl collection and singing, since I didn’t fully pursue my singing career after getting married and having four kids.

[@PashkaPashkinson]

the same thing is true with books. You can use e-book reader and have all the national library inside. Or... You could have a perfect sense of a shady paper, the smell of the history, tactical sense when reading. And... permanent problem with free space on the shelves )) Well, that should be the golden middle, - having in your collection only those, that really give you deep feelings, emotion, and calmness.

[@Patracat]

YES😊😊😊😊

[@RockX_Chris]

My friend, I’m already deep down the rabbit hole with no point of ever returning 😅

[@AndyFenstermaker]

You and me both 🤣

[@lamper2]

BEST REASON: The existence of You Tube! EVERY RECORD FROM WAX CYLINDERS TO TODAY IS ON HERE and no storage required!

[@BillAdams-fb3jm]

The best way to start a record collection: join the press and begin reviewing records. If you're good at it, you eventually begin to get them for free. The catch is that you have to be a good writer, though.

[@AndyFenstermaker]

This isn't how I started a record collection, but it is what I did back in '06 when I started my blog. Retrospect, I should have jumped into KZbin rather than waiting until the 2020s.

[@toonman361]

I too collect records... 78rpm. Easily more fragile and certainly heavier. I lost my interest in vinyl at around 45-50 or so. Reinvesting in digital didn't satisfy me. Now I listen to bands that I have never heard and love the music. Surface noise is simply part of the experience. Plus, my 1926 console orthodontic phonograph doesn't need a separate speaker.

[@Megalocade]

I got back I to vinyl 15 years ago as my music taste was shifting quite considerably from pop into the 1940s and 1950s jazz easy listening era like Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Jim Reeves, Dean Martin, Elvis Presley etc that stuff will always sound better on vinyl, yes you can get a lot of it on cd and MP3 downloads but it's filtered and compressed and cleaned / muffed to hell not to mention the loudness wars issue the only way to hear real old stuff is through vinyl which is as it was when it was recorded. I've given up buying new re release pressings now they have become too expensive and the quality is terrible It seems they don't care like they used too and just pump out any old crap to make quick money the last new pressing I bought was Michael bubles Christmas album and I kid you not it had left and right channel drop outs and the lp sounded like it had been played using a nail as a stylus sounded awful I even took it back for a replacement but the replacement was exactly the same which is a great shame because I really want Bing Crosbys Christmas with Bing with the London Symphony Orchestra it's £50 new but I know it's going to sound awful so i just settled with the cd version, my LP collection mostly comes from charity shops and boot sales here in the UK you can find some real bargains and some of the music shops around my way have a lot of old stuff and decent prices too

[@AndyFenstermaker]

It makes sense to buy used for you given your tastes! I’m sure you can find a number of solid releases for great prices. I hear you... They just wouldn’t sound as good new. Some of the older albums don’t sound right without the aesthetic of the wear, the pops and cracks, etc.

[@nyquist5190]

Stopped buying vinyl in the 1980s when CD arrived. Now, forty years later I look at my 1000+ cd collection and sometimes think what the point is. Owning a huge amount of records or cds does not make you a better person or true music fan. Then again there was no Spotify or KZbin in the 80s.

[@maniaque37]

i dont agree. the sales of vinyl are good actually and availability is pretty good. you can get all kind of music vinyl on internet. for cleaning vinyl its very easy it takes a few seconds. the price can be very reasonable i find some at the price of a cd or digital and some even lower in used stores. buying a good turntable dont cost so much not more than a good soundbar or some sound system. the only cons i would have to say is dont buy too many and those you not gonna listen. buy some vinyl for regular use is nice not for start a colletion but to listen to music..

[@aaronhayman8558]

I collect vinyl as I've done for years, and it's my preferred format, though I totally agree with you. To get the most out of vinyl you need some good equipment, set up well and to he well maintained (you're going to have to swap out that cartridge or at least stylus ever few years and that alone can be expensive). Add that to the fact that the records themselves tend to be really expensive these days and once you buy them there's no guarantee that they will play well as many don't and flaws are unfortunately all to common. I think if you are just starting out in all of this and you want to amass a physical collection of music, you're much better off collecting CDs. The can be had fir a fraction of the cost, are more constant, more compact and the fidelity, on the right equipment, I would argue beats out LPs, particularly if you have only cheap equipment to play those LPs on. The money that you save from buying CDs over LPs can be funneled into gear so that you can have a better system for digital than you could afford for analog. You can buy a really high-quality digital to audio converter (a DAC) that will make a real difference in sound quality and be far less than a great setup for vinyl...

[@twitchygiraffe4636]

At last! Someone who doesn’t have their head up their arse regarding this stuff! Just one point you never mentioned though? The fact that record companies (particularly major ones!) don’t fucking care about quality control when throwing these things into the shops! Split the shrink and the printed inner sleeve is already spilt at the base of the sleeve and pull the record out and it’s badly warped and pressed off centre (which always happens with American imports given here to the UK! Is this some sort of revenge thing you have on us here??) Seriosly it’s not funny when your spending £40 quid plus on an album that they won’t give a domestic release to here in England, just to find it warped to fuck and the sleeve badly split!!!!

[@yutopia7]

😂 I 100% agree with everything you’re saying. I spend way too much time and money at Barnes & Nobles, vintage record stores and of course discogs. Discogs all. The. Time. Right now, I’m thinking of upgrading my system and there goes another $2.5K! If you’re a hardcore fan of The Beatles like I am, you end up spending a lot of money on the original UK pressings shipped from Europe and we all know how shipping pretty much adds 30~50% to the cost! I honestly have nothing new to add, but I’ll just say this: listening to vinyl encourages me to listen to the entire album. I don’t know how to describe it… you get more intimate with the music. The problem is sometimes I have no idea what the title of the songs are lol. Yeah it’s easy to look it up but why bother when you can sit in your chair listening to the next song? This is so much better than immediately knowing the title and the lyrics of the current song on your phone, and then move on to another playlist caused by the culture of instant gratification. This is the real way to listen to music! I sound so old but I don’t care. I don’t recommend anyone to get into vinyl. I really really don’t. It’s dangerous and expensive, but if you do get into it… I know exactly why :-)

[@RUfromthe40s]

i know it ,you might know how instruments sounds or the high-quality microphones already existing in the 60´s ,i started to hear music with the Beatles than other bands has i was growing up and have all beatles albums sold at the time and bought the red and blue doble records where one can hear for the first time most of the beatles songs in stereo excluding abbey road the only stereo recorded album from the beatles , in the 90´s a older friend of mine went to my house and i had my sony tv that cost me at the time what today is 2.000€ for many reasons being the first evolved as the last high-definition crt tv´s at 100hz sold and i had the vhs tape of the film backbeat showing beatles life in germany ,there´s a scene where the beatles go to the drunken people drinking mugs of beer selling a vinyl without cover with she loves you in english in one side and in german in the other side but before he tells me ,it makes me remenber my youth i used to go to places like this and get drunk on beer when he see´s the scene of paul macartney selling those singles ,he says i´m going home but i´ll return after a 30 minuts period he knocks at my door and says ,"see the single" and i ask him the single in the movie ,"yes, i bought one from a kid"and i took the single cleaned it and played it and i knew he lived in hamburg in the 50´s ,than he says" it´s yours" so i have the single sold by them in the place they were playing most of the nights, that are not vinyl but wax records ,once someone ofered me 20.000€ for the record and i phoned him and asked if i could sell his single ,he said yes ,it´s yours and i did receive 20.000€ or equivalent at the time and with 2.000€ bought a diesel Mercedes, a w124 with a 200D engine ,like 50 to 60 h.p. at the most but more confortable than any new car

[@Patracat]

As a hard-core Elvis fan I can relate to this comment😊

[@kucci8157]

My rule is: Don't buy a record you wont listen to cover to cover... If you only like 2 songs on the album, stream it... If I'm buying a record, it's to listen to in its entirety.

[@bertroost1675]

BUT (and I am serious) sometimes the record has much better mastering or pleasing sound. I am also not talking about expensive records. I am talking about a $5 record that has one or two songs I like.

[@pkm55543rfdruuiuhf]

Man I just want a few picked up a turn table for 10 bucks so why not

[@anthonycarosella5744]

Nobody touches my records, nobody!!

[@andrewbradley1700]

It's a beautiful addiction.

[@enriquemata9657]

I been collecting records for over 35 years test pressing Italo, house and freestyle as well as disco music I’m 57 years old and still haven’t stop listening to my records l have thousands and each one has a different story in my life.❤

[@218maryland]

This guy is exactly what a non-collector imagines in their mind when they hear the term “record collector”

[@mikegrimshaw1182]

He forgot to say Vinyl has the best sound ever......

[@ianswift3521]

if you live in an apartment complex i don't recommend keeping the majority of your records in your home. keep one or two crates full (so about 100 records) at a time. Keep the rest in a storage unit. If some knucklehead who misspeaks smokes a cigarette then falls asleep on their La-Z-Person and sets the apartment complex on fire then you're SOL if you keep shelves full of records. No way you're rescuing those from the flames.

[@Bootradr]

Haha! It's like a parent telling a kid not to do something and why they can't do it 😁 It just makes them more determined to do it 👍 I enjoyed your video. Brian in Fort Worth 🎶

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

I like that one, I got told off for effing curses I learn lt in the family, now this guy has inspired me to hunt down more vinyl on my 'want' list, like my family got me effing & blinding as a chlld-hobby, controll me? ...fu*k off!

[@bikeman7982]

Agree 100%. To me sound quality is another reason is why I'll stick with FLAC files and Qobuz streaming :- ). Yes, for popular music there are many records with much better mastering than digital (due to the loudness war), but it's not worth the trouble for me.

[@Firebrand55]

IMO?....start collecting now. My first LP was Benny Goodman; my latest, Sidewinder, Lee Morgan, the 1,040th jazz LP. ( only 3 Trad Jazz albums!). That's taken decades to build, a rare collection. The vital point about 12" LP's is the info on the album covers, in my case amounting to an encyclopedia of modern jazz...tip.......make sure you alphabetically place them; easier to find stuff! Dust? losing battle folks....You could wrap and seal an LP in plastic; twice. Bag it; twice...put it in an air-tight, sealed aluminium box. Put that box in a refrigerated, sealed container.....take it to Challenger Deep in the pacific Ocean, ( 36,000feet)..drop it. Come back 10 years later, recover it...open it....guess what it will be covered with?...... correct!...it's The Law of the West!

[@andersdottir1111]

Lol - there’s no way I’d let anyone handle my records or record player. Half of my collection is from op shops the other half secondhand shops. New records here average $50. Collecting from a charity shop has introduced me to artists I’d previously overlooked: I love my studio copies of Peter Paul and Mary; I particularly like their interpretations of traditional English music.

[@bakeone4406]

Had about 10k albums before CDs showed up...then you couldn't get anything new on vinyl for awhile so I snagged a CD player and started buying the damn discs. After a few years players and digital recordings got better...sold the Linn LP12 and the records for pennies. Fast forward about 25 years and I got a turntable and lots of vinyl... great recordings on the best pressings w/ the arm and cartridge perfectly dialed in sometimes sounded better than my digital front end. Most of the time Lps didn't sound better so I sold the albums, the Degritter, the Feickert table w/the Kuzma arm and the Benz LPS cartridge along w/ the Zesto Andros II phono amp. A little bummed about not being able to get the buzz i used to from vinyl when I had vastly inferior components.

[@Markymarkvinylnut]

That sprained ankle is coming home with me after seeing your video! Lets put the whole obsession in to perspective, it's cheaper than therapy, cheaper than having an affair AND cheaper than the fallout of drugs, booze! Ha ! Thanks from the UK

[@AndyFenstermaker]

Ha!! Love that perspective 😆 very true. Sprained Ankle is such a great album!! Definitely gets plenty of rotation…

[@theo9952]

I started buying CDs in 1991 and gradually stopped buying vinyl recors altogether. I loved my records, always taking the greatest care of them and i still love them even though i hardly ever play any of them. But cds are better in every way. Easier to handle and take good care of, excellent in performance, up to 80 minutes of uninterupted enjoyment, no worries about needle jumping and frantically searching for that tiny spec of something that caused it to skip a groove, or keeping an eye on the pussycat in case she decides to jump on the turntable while a record is playing. So it is CDs for me all the way.

[@daveduffy2823]

I hear you. Vinyl is getting costly. I’m glad my collection of what I wanted is complete. When I go into a store now, I drift to CD’s and box sets.

[@The-Spotlight-Kid]

The only excellent in sound quality CD I ever heard was from a set of 2 or 3 that the amplifier manufacturer "Naim" had made, just to show how CD's can sound. Trouble is, nobody ever produces, engineers, records them as well as the British "Naim" company did.

[@Figureal-ql9tp]

I have a CD collection and I could not get same feeling from vinyls. More compact more durable, less expensive, more fun.

[@Psychedelicxylophone]

Hi from uk. The only problem in my mind is the weight. I wonder how much your collection weighs. My collection isn't quite as big because i only buy classic iconic albums from the 1960's 70's & 80's very occasional 90's depending on what it is. I don't always trust modern music on vinyl as i tend to think that most of it wasn't copied from the orginal master tapes. Im a pure analog man. Also many brand new re releases on vinyl that state that they have been remastered are no different to the original copies. And in many cases the original pressing can sound 100x better! Pure money spinner!!! Quality and static control with original pressings is usually better, surface noise and bumps seems to be the biggest problem with B new! Thought i'd also add that when buying brand new factory sealed you cannot physically check the condition and that about 8x/10 the record will be sat in a none proper inner lined sleeve with it sucked to the inside with factory grit air born particals inbedded into the grooves. Ramble over!

[@AndyFenstermaker]

So relevant. I'll be moving in just over a month, and I was thinking about running the calculation as I prepare to haul them all to a new place about 10 miles away. I do notice that about "remastered" versions as well. Sometimes you find some gems that actually sound better than original, but that's rare. If anything, they can sound different, but not necessarily better or worse. I'm not an audiophile though, so you probably have more cred there than me! Thanks for chiming in!

[@donovangill3138]

I have no interest in “collecting” vinyls I just want to listen to specific styles of music in a more natural way. silk sonic should be heard on vinyl period.