Angel Talk || s1e08 "I Will Remember You"

[@MarisuSedai]

A little advice for you Alley: keep your friends close, but keep your Kleenex box closer.

[@agarqueen9126]

She didn't even cry when Buffy had to kill Angel 🤔 But okayyy

[@kevinligutom6994]

“I don’t know if she’s gonna be in the whole episode or just in one scene” Yes, she is.

[@mandyhuey5810]

That's legitimately a smart take on a that lmao

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

Both

[@bilzahubbers1419]

“There’s not enough time,” always gets me. Sarah’s acting is phenomenal 😔

[@sld1776]

Sarah's acting kept improving through the series (there's THAT episode in Buffy 5). She worked very hard at her craft.

[@bilzahubbers1419]

@@sld1776 oh, THAT episode 😔🕯

[@Animaniac0451]

@@sld1776 While I agree, remember where she was starting from. She was an emmy award winning actress before she was cast as Buffy.

[@Leafsdude]

"I felt your heart beat" is my coup d'etat.

[@Logan_Baron]

Her acting has always been phenomenal. Prophecy Girl "I'm 16 years old Giles. I don't want to die" breaks everyone's hearts even knowing there's 7 seasons, so she can't die, or stay dead. Her look in Nightmares when talking to her "father". And yes, that line here, even though I'm not nor never have been a Bangel shipper.

[@SolidSnake8295]

This was the saddest episode of TV I’ve ever seen in which no one important died.

[@joshcoleman1901]

“The whole Buffy and Angel thing, I’m over it”. It’s been 20 years and I’m still not over it 😂

[@mkitten13]

"This is some fanfic type shit" This episode inspired its own fanfic archive back in the day, you can only imagine the copious fanfics that came out of this, lol

[@123animit]

For me this episode accomplished two things - one, it was a tribute to the die hard Bangel shippers like us of what could have been, and more importantly, two, why the two had their own paths and destinies. Heart wrenching, beautifully acted, expertly directed. SMG was so heart broken with the story line that she was actually crying during the "there's not enough time" shoot, and DB said "Sarah, please" trying to comfort her. Joss was so pleased with the raw emotions captured that he didnt even reshoot in spite of the obvious snafu.

[@christinejanis6552]

What sanfu? Oh, do you mean David saying her name?

[@emclaire7027]

An important Buffyverse life lesson: don't do breakup talks in sewers.

[@roberthansen4323]

To me this was the most important episode for Angel. This is were he chooses to be the hero and not just for Buffy, to make up for past sins or just lack of options. To me he is now officially a hero. This is why the powers actually put him threw this test.

[@zabukazar]

Buffy's like: "Riley who?"

[@clarad]

Fandom's like : Riley who ? 😅

[@notyouraveragebear9326]

As she should be 🙄🙄🙄

[@TheNoybusiness]

Well, they've had zero dates so far. .

[@Belnick6666]

Riley is just a "safe bet" She want someone dependable. hopefully Alley Box does not read this..................................................................... BUT both buffy and angel are made for each other, they still have free will ofc and they can bed who ever they want, but they were made as perfect soulmates for when angel complete the shanshu prophecy so they can be together(if buffy would still want it, free will and all). This has nothing to do with shipping who or whatever, they were made by "the powers of be" to be the perfect fit, but that does not mean buffy is a "price" or something lol

[@clarad]

@@Belnick6666 I never understood this soul mate thing. First of all, I don't believe in it in real life and then I think it's detrimental to the Bangel because it puts the ship on a level playing field to the detriment of the others. And as a spuffy shipper, it's disturbing, honestly I'm part of the people who find Bangel overrated because of that. Because it's not true, OK Gellar said she was team angel, and.... ? it doesn't matter, she's not Buffy. There is a real preferential treatment of the Bangel in the show that makes me mad...

[@alexh8613]

“I wonder if she’s gonna to be in the entire episode or maybe just a scene” Well that depends on your understanding of the time space continuum

[@jimbobbles2265]

nice

[@LokiTricksterG]

Underrated comment. From Angel's perspective, she was in the whole episode. From Cordelia's perspective, she was only there for two minutes.

[@TiaX2000]

"What happens to a human if they don't have a soul?" They run for President.

[@emclaire7027]

Or become the Mayor.

[@jonswebilius6900]

And they win.

[@mattp.3949]

They work at Wolfram & Hart, the law firm/corporation from Hell.... literally.

[@lexlarae8466]

😂😂

[@Theomite]

Interesting that she asks this question this early in the season.

[@lurker1316]

I feel like this is a fitting send-off for the Buffy and Angel relationship and it really showcases Angel figuring out his path and how his love for Buffy leads him to a deeper commitment to his purpose. I've never been big on the Bangel ship, but I appreciate the value each of them had to each other and how they both grew from their interactions with each other. The "Powers That Be" were briefly mentioned by Doyle in his introduction. It's basically just the show's non-specific way of talking about "God" or whatever benevolent forces work against the evil demons. The Oracles are a channel by which the Powers can communicate with those on this plane of existence. This episode is the first time that the Oracles have been mentioned, so you're not forgetting anything about them.

[@robertcringle4865]

Sarah and David were amazing in this episode. Best crossover ever.

[@RHStevens1986]

They have alluded that 'The Powers That Be' are the conduit for Doyle's visions

[@arielcarmona6660]

yes I think he even mentions them in the pilot ep, I don't recall but I am almost sure he does

[@Leafsdude]

@@arielcarmona6660 Yup: Doyle walks past Angel: "Well, I come in uninvited, so you know I’m not a vampire like yourself." Angel: "What do you want?" Doyle: "I’ve been sent. - By the Powers That Be." Angel: "The powers that be what?"

[@arielcarmona6660]

@@Leafsdude I knew I had not imagined that thanks!

[@alleybox]

yess they have! i think i just forgot they called them that haha

[@RHStevens1986]

@@alleybox to be fair the term was very abstract and it certainly didn’t sound like some inter dimensional Roman cosplayers so the dots don’t connect lol

[@RitsychServare]

"I don't think Buffy's going to be on Angel..." *hears car tires screech to a halt*

[@lexlarae8466]

🤣 when i read this my mind automatically went to "pull up in my hood best dressed. Upgrade new gang whats next."

[@stargazer1682]

21:00 Totally intentional; Buffy even says, "Oh, boy. I was really jonesing for another heartbreaking sewer talk."

[@N0-1_H3r3]

For Angel, it's worth remembering that: Angel sees himself as older, wiser, and more experienced than Buffy. That isn't necessarily wrong, especially early in their relationship - she is a teenager, by definition she's inexperienced - but it does lead him to take decisions out of her hands because he doesn't think she's mature enough to make them, because Angel can be condescending like that. The other side to that is the fact that Angel has literally zero experience of healthy relationships. His longest-lasting relationships were with other vampires when he was Angelus, and his relationship with Buffy is the only positive one he's ever had... and it has resulted in disaster for them both. He doesn't know how to have a healthy relationship.

[@TheNoybusiness]

And Angel is hundreds of years old, but also stuck at 26. .

[@Logan_Baron]

I'm always kind of torn on the subject. People bring it up on the Angel breaking up and leaving for Buffy's good, and making the decision all on his own. Angel does make the right choice that I don't think Buffy would be able to. "Well doesn't Buffy have any say?" Well yes she should......... But then also no. The decision is the right one (like Angel seeing indicated by his wedding dream that staying would essentially kill her soul) and she would likely not be able to make the right choice. So he made the right choices. He was wrong not to consult her. But she's not going to make the right choice, so is it. So I'm basically "well yes, but really no, except yes, but still no, however yes, but no....."

[@imthewonderband]

@@Logan_Baron Then there's also the fact that it take 2 people to be in a relationship. Of course, part of Angel's motivation for leaving Buffy was for her own good, as they say, but he's also aware of the curse. Being with Buffy but trying not to get too close or else he'll completely lose himself? That's gotta suck. If he wants the relationship to end, it's over. Buffy can't force him to change his mind.

[@kczleon735]

I kinda disagree with you here. I never saw angel as more mature and i dont think that he sees himself that way either. As a human (Liam) he didnt mature, didnt form a character even. Thats why angelus is so strong inside him. Thats when he first created a personality (or the demon inside him created one). When he received his soul he didn't go by liam, his former name, he created angel. He didnt know who angel was but he wasnt about to find out until buffy season 1. This was the first time he was treated and seen as a person. This is why angel is such a weird character. He's hundreds of years old but he's also just forming a personality. And i think he broke up with buffy not to take the decision from her but because he thinks he has to suffer to do good. Which is a repeating element of the series

[@N0-1_H3r3]

@@kczleon735 I'm not saying that Angel _is_ more mature, only that he sees himself that way.

[@kevinbre7563]

Been waiting for this one. Even though I'm full grown man, SMG as Buffy crying breaks me every time.

[@Sam_371]

Aly as Willow crying destroys me

[@sarahhiggins1515]

I think it felt a bit off because it ignored the amount of time they had been apart. Angel was very in character because its obvious that he never moved on however Buffy has been. She’s been getting to know Riley and just living life as a college girl and Angel hasn’t been brought up in ages. But one talk with Angel and she’s tempted to get back with him (before he turns human). The sewer scene played out like they had only just broken up and weren’t entirely sure if it was the right decision. However everything that happens after he becomes human I think is totally in character because the reasons they broke up have been removed.

[@alleybox]

very very true. seemed like both buffy and the audience had the time to move on and were moving on but this episode just brought us right back and it felt so odd

[@kczleon735]

It's the whole point of this episode. Buffy moved on but from what? Not a break up. She moved on from a relationship so perfect yet so harmful and doomed. The only reason she forced herself to move on was because she knew that she could never live a normal life with angel. This episode was like a perfect dream for her, but ut wasnt real and the second you wake up you forget you ever dreamt it.

[@enicole1203]

@@alleybox I think that was probably the point... like on the surface we've seen Buffy moving on but in her heart she's always holding on to Angel... he's her first and greatest love. They didn't break up because they were over each other, they did because their love was so strong that staying together was literally dangerous - to her and everyone around them. So I think the point of this ep was to emphasize that that love will always be there but to also give the closure by putting an end to any what-if scenarios the audience might have been holding on to.

[@jaycievictory8461]

@@enicole1203 yes 🙌

[@TheNoybusiness]

@@alleybox Buffy only moved on because she had to, though. Being Angel was still something she wanted.

[@donsample1002]

Buffy's life has been full of people with no special powers, who have been of enormous help to her: Giles, Xander, Cordy... Angel still has a lot of specialized knowledge that can be a lot of use to her. He just needs to get over his need to be the one who hits things.

[@liliaeth]

This is the ep that convinced me Angel was not the right guy for Buffy for just that reason.

[@Nicamon]

@@liliaeth Well,I wouldn't go _that far!_ He's been used to having superpowers for CENTURIES...you can't just ask him to give them up and adapt to be a muggle in just 1 day...Xander has been struggling for *YEARS* being the only not-superhuman member of the gang and he was born that way and has *always* lived that way!Angel should be given the time to adjust to his new condition.And if it took a *long* time,I wouldn't exactly blame him.

[@liliaeth]

@@Nicamon see I get him needing time to adjust and learn to fight. I do. But he didn't even give it a try. He absolutely had to be the one to go fight the monster. He didn't even wake Buffy up.

[@Nicamon]

@@liliaeth I know.X-P He's an adorable idiot most of the time.🖤🤦‍♂

[@jaycievictory8461]

The sewer callback was totally deliberate. Buffy even says, "Great. I was really jonesing for another heartbreaking sewer talk".

[@Darocfi]

SMG is such an underrated actress. :

[@HenryHeimlich]

At The Powers That Be, Inc. the Oracles are lower management. They are there to oversee/deal with basic employees like Doyle and Angel.

[@AliceKate]

Buffy and angels love story is so heartbreaking and tragic like you can’t ever go into it hoping for a happy ending. By this point I always had in the back of my head it’s gonna end in tears and rip your heart out.

[@scoutboo]

I bawled my eyes out when this first aired. Every time I see Buffy cry and Angel's devastation I tear up 😢

[@arg3824]

As soon as you posted Pangs, I realized this episode was next and cringed for Future Alley. This episode is traumatizing. It's been 20 years and I'll never get over that last scene.

[@Tim85-y2q]

It's probably worth keeping in mind that at the particular point this episode was made, Bangel was still THE central relationship for both series' (Plus, it was a major cross marketed event for the WB at the time.) It's probably hard to watch it now (especially for the first time) entirely within that context. I vividly remember watching Pangs and this episode on first airing and it did feel like a big deal at the time.

[@enicole1203]

SMG tears will wreck you at some point. She's a powerhouse of an emotional actor.

[@jaycievictory8461]

The way Angel says "forget" the second time around 😭😭😭

[@hardybryan]

I'm not a 'Bangel' fan, but Buffy crying like that will always crush me.

[@m.a.____c.5892]

In the long run, everything will fall in place. Buffyverse lore is crazy and this episode is pretty important.

[@stargazer1682]

In that scene when time is about to reset and Buffy is upset, you can faintly hear David say, "Please, Sarah."

[@mandyhuey5810]

Joss really took Sarah Mclachlan's song lyrics literally and made a Bangle video I will remember you, will you remember me? ..... How clearly I first saw you smilin' in the sun Want to feel your warmth upon me I want to be the one ..... I'm so tired but I can't sleep ..... So afraid to love you But more afraid to lose Clinging to a past that doesn't let me choose Once there was a darkness Deep and endless night You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me life ..... Weep not for the memories

[@TheLORDofTOXICITY]

In my mind, this is where I started to really like Angel more. The fact that he CHOOSES to keep the curse is something that will come back again and again on this show. Whereas being a slayer is a calling for Buffy, destiny. Angel chooses to be a warrior for the powers. Plus he has to carry the knowledge of this and Buffy doesn't.

[@HelloXrancidkitteh]

Angel: finally human Buffy & Angel: finally happily together and can be a normal couple, what they've always dreamed of being together. Alley: "Something's not right here..." yes, you've caught on. Joss and the writers love giving us those happy, perfect couple moments before they tear our hearts out.

[@jaycievictory8461]

It's only been about five months since Angel left. And Buffy is/was hugely epically (not a word 😅) in love with him. Personally, I find it very believable that given the opportunity to be together without it hurting others, Buffy falls into it with joy. You don't just get over someone you love really deeply quickly. As much as you might want to. Buffy actually tried to by sleeping with Parker. And in a cut line she says she realised that's what she was trying to do. That while it was happening she was telling herself, "Look at me being so over Angel". I think it's a shame they cut that line. It would perhaps make this episode seem less out of the blue for Alley. Speaking personally, I can sadly very much relate to it taking a long long painfully long time to get over somebody.

[@bernardhall8627]

This is one of my favorite Angel episodes.

[@raniasheikh5730]

this is actually my fav angel episode. i dont know why but it was so fucking well done. the acting is amazing, the ending scene made me cry HARD and i honestly just believe it was a great way to end the buffy and angel relationship. as a bangel shipper, im glad this was their end and this episode will always remain as my favourite 🥺

[@arielcarmona6660]

Back in the day Buffy was on at 8 pm and immediately Angel was on at 9pm on Tuesday. It wasn't like today where you can just stream your show anytime you wanted, back then if you missed an episode and didn't record it, then you had to wait until rerun season (usually summertime before it picked up again in the fall) and so we were so invested. The network also hyped it without giving much of the plot away. Yes, were were over the whole Buffy/Angel drama by then, but Angel was a new show and I guess the producers felt that they needed the crossovers to not only give the fans what they were missing but also to help bump up viewership and ratings. It's like when Spiderman randomly appears in another character's comic book, the hope is that Spidey will make the other book seem as interesting, if that makes any sense.

[@Stephie_L]

I miss those days before streaming...so much more anticipation for sure.

[@veganvipers11]

I too was upset that Angel “made choices” for Buffy, but It took me a while to realize that Angel didn’t make a choice for Buffy, he only wanted to change back to being a Vampire...which IS his choice...the clause of turning back time and keeping his memories was a condition placed by the Powers that Be. You can see Angel being distraught when he learns that Buffy won’t remember but the deal was already made.

[@roonarific1086]

In the the Buffy season one episode Angel, as Buffy and Angel say goodbye at the Bronze in the final scene, citing that a relationship between them likely won't work because he's a vampire, the song in the background is called I'll Remember You by Sophie Zelmani. The last lyrics always stand out to me when I see this episode of Angel, "I'll remember you. That is all that I can do. I'll remember."

[@charlottepatey79]

I'm a really simple fan; Buffy cries, I cry

[@Alexandra.Chris.]

When I first watched this episode I was so upset that I stopped watching the entire show. It was months before I felt emotionally ready to continue 😂😅😭

[@MrSupertallblackman]

Before anyone else can say it in the scene where Buffy is crying David accidentally says Sarah's name because she was so upset.

[@jb888888888]

I've heard that, but never heard it. If that makes sense.

[@octo448]

@@jb888888888 They ADR'd over the audio to make it "shhh" sounds instead, but his lips don't quite match. You won't ever hear it because they obviously didn't want to break character in the finished product, but they still used the shot.

[@eaziem8061]

This episode is so sad 🥲 I’m still not fine

[@mandyhuey5810]

******SERIES SPOILER: . . . . alley: "...if anything ever happened to Buffy I would leGitImAteLy kill everyone..." us in the last couple seasons: 📞👁👄👁9️⃣1️⃣1️⃣

[@jaycievictory8461]

I have like Pre-emptive Stress Disorder thinking about Alley and some upcoming episodes 🙈🙈🙈

[@Dragoncurse4]

As an avid Bangel stan, this episode destroys me every time I watch it. :P

[@jaycievictory8461]

"I'm so alone" The ultimate of moods

[@octo448]

I think a lot of people forget about Joyce in that situation with Buffy. Angel wasn't going to leave, even after the mayor got under his skin, until after Joyce came and basically said it was his responsibility to make that decision for Buffy because they both knew she'd never make it on her own. It's so interesting how all the responsibility is put onto Angel- a being who has literally never known true happiness and love- for everything that goes wrong and everything that he should have known better about, but the second he tries to take responsibility and do the right thing he's "making decisions for her". Personally I feel that, all the supernatural mumbo jumbo aside, they could find a way to make it work. However, if you're going to hold him responsible for getting into the relationship with her in the first place, when she was a minor, then it follows that it should also be his duty to break it off when it's clear it's not best for her or for the rest of the world. It doesn't matter though, because this episode of Angel basically canonizes that Angel is necessary as a separate "agent of good" from Buffy- if they're together their ability to counter the forces of evil are lessened and the world suffers, so they have to personally suffer instead and attempt to build a life away from each other.

[@RitsychServare]

That scene in the tunnel is part 2 of that "I can't believe you're breaking up with me" scene in "The Prom" episode. 😉

[@Wonderlandhype]

This was the first time since early s2 of Buffy that I really had some feelings about Bangel...oh well everyone say goodbye to this version of the Titanic.

[@sld1776]

I felt bad for Alley right after the introduction, because I knew what was coming. Tears. 😥

[@HopelessHermit]

Whedon: I can make people cry with my show.....but with a spin-off TWICE as many people can cry! Ha ha ha! And having seen the series I find your predictions so much more interesting love it

[@stevemorganexperience7833]

And now I’m gonna make my cast cry

[@jimmilligan5088]

Really funny that you thought Angel would be the one to forget. In the end he’s the only one who remembers

[@ernesthakey3396]

You hate it...but you love it too, right? And when Angel takes back the mantle of warrior for the side of light, the Powers That Be, they give him props for the self sacrifice, no longer a lower being. Angel and Buffy will never stop loving each other, even though they can never be together.

[@jessm7046]

I always thought Buffy was not herself in this episode and I'm a huge Bangel fan...

[@brian19991]

This is Joss Wheadon at his finest. Showing off what could be, then procedes to rip out the hearts of every living thing there is :O

[@DegrassiInstantStar]

Alley still not realizing her emotions will continue to be manipulated throughout this universe. Also, David whispering "Sarah, please..." instead of "Buffy, please..." shows it was a really intense scene.

[@jaycievictory8461]

I think the narrative is saying they are made for each other - they are incredibly happy when they get to be together - they just can't ever be together

[@litafanforlife]

This episode is beautiful and heartbreaking. Definitely a tear jerker for me

[@ibgvox]

Pretty much Joss's idea, with Marti Noxon's input and co written by David Greenwalt (and directed by David Grossman, one of the best Mutant Enemy directors). Great team effort (as always with Angel, a bit more than with Buffy). Also Joss was on set during the kitchen scene (at least) so I wonder if he directed it.

[@eringiannini3336]

I always read his decision to go back to being a vampire had a lot to do with what he said in "Amends": "It's not the demon in me that needs killing; it's the man." I think he's afraid of being useless and sliding backwards into who he was as a human (drinking, carousing, etc).

[@franksnow5165]

You're right about this one being fan service for fans wanting to see the melodrama again. Can't blame em, these two have awesome chemistry. As to Angel continuing the fight as a human; it's not so much he couldn't learn some skill, like magic, to do so, as it is Liam is a complete wastrel, an incompetent.

[@TheWatcherMark]

This is one of those episodes that GETS me every time, simply due to the acting.

[@Logan_Baron]

I think this works well as an Angel episode, particularly to help define his character journey and what he's sacrificing, but does not work or would not work as a Buffy episode at this point in time with where she is. Their relationship/breakup can still be seen as kind of fresh from the Angel or Angelverse, or Angel viewer perspective. But not from the Buffy perspective. If you don't watch Buffy or ignore the most recent season of Buffy or JUST imagine the entire thing from Angel's perspective as he has not started to move on........ It's an important character point for this show and an important show defining episode, but doesn't fit with BTVS.

[@Alejandro333777]

People tend to forget that Angels decision to leave wasn’t just his own The mayor and even Joyce made Angel make the decision he did he wanted to make the best decision for Buffy only thinking for buffys best interest. Also I know a bunch of people without powers help Buffy but come on let’s be honest them being regular humans ultimately make them liability’s to Buffy

[@Logan_Baron]

"You can pretty much DO whatever you want. So the question is what do you want?" Realized that that question could just as easily be "so the question is what do you want to DO?" which would make the cut to Buffy a bit of a different tone.

[@helena2037]

they have all their best deep talks in the sewer

[@samanthanickson6478]

doesn’t everyone?

[@spikejr3113jr]

This is angels perfect day. Well I guess technically since he does have his soul and is human again would this be Liam?

[@stephaniel2850]

See, I always feel a need to push back a bit on the whole idea that the decisions Angel makes in this episode and in The Prom where him making decisions "for both of them": At the end of the day, in both cases, it was him exercising his own autonomy, not taking away her's. When he broke up with her, and his response to her saying she wanted her life to be with him was "I don't", I don't read that as him having just been saying something cruel to push her away. Not that there was ever any doubt that he desperately wanted to be with her - that much was literally proven, that being with her was his truest happiness - but he also knew that the nature of their circumstances meant staying together wasn't healthy for either of them. And I like to think that, even by that point, he was also coming to realize that as much as he longed to be with Buffy, what he actually needed for the sake of his own soul was to put in the hard work toward redemption; something he wouldn't be able to do if he had Buffy there to take comfort in. So yes, he was thinking about the ways in which he would hold her back, but even if she truly would have been happy to accept all of that, he still had his own reasons for needing to break it off as well. In the case of I Will Remember You, it's even *more* clear to me that his decision was rooted in what he needed to be right with himself, regardless of any input Buffy may or may not have provided. And given that it was his life and existence in the balance, I firmly stand by is right to make that decision on his own. If the decision had been *solely* dependent on whether or not Buffy saw him as a liability if he stayed human, then that would require her input, but that just wasn't the case. Especially by this point, he had a clear journey of redemption that he was on to someday be able to right with himself, and there was no way around the fact that staying human meant giving up his greatest assets in continuing that journey. Yes, of course there were always plenty of non-superpowered humans who helped fight evil in many ways, but there's just no way he would have been able to maintain the same level of helping people without the vampire superstrength and invulnerability. The way I see it is: If the roles had been reversed, and somehow Buffy had lost her slayer powers in a way that allowed them to be together, would ANYONE be faulting her for taking them back at the expense of their relationship? Would anyone be expecting her to consult Angel about it, when it was her powers on the line, or saying she had "taken away Angel's autonomy" for making that decision on her own? I absolutely do not think they would. I adore Buffy too and sympathize with her so much, but especially when it comes to her and Angel, I think there's a real tendency for fans to sometimes expect Angel to give up HIS autonomy just so she never has to be sad or go through hard things, and I really dislike the framing of that as "what would be equal", when it would be anything but. If anything about Angel was problematic it would be his stalking tendencies, but I genuinely don't think any of the actual decisions he made were in any way out of line, because they were as much or more about his own needs as they were about what he thought was best for Buffy.

[@SolidSnake8295]

Suggestion: consider getting in the habit of avoiding seeing the guest star names that appear after the credits. There are some pretty big surprises that won’t be surprises at all if you see the names.

[@alleybox]

most of the time i dont notice/recognize the names of guest stars haha. i only ever look for writer/directors bc i know those names usually

[@SolidSnake8295]

That might work the vast majority of the time, but unless you go out of your way to avoid them seeing a name like “SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR” appear on your screen is kinda hard not to notice. 😉

[@InsomniBlink]

this is one of my favouritte episodes because of the amazing acting and i cry every time the last scene is so good

[@lynnevetter]

I think that after season 3 of Buffy, they really go out of their way to almost mock the way Buffy and Angel have this huge drama thing so while they are having a serious conversation and everything feels very serious there is an undertone of awkwardness, which is definitely present in this episode. I think that was what you may have been feeling. I really think the show heads were really trying to show that they could be whole, separate, awesome heroes by themselves. When they show up on each other's shows it's a little awkward. Plus like you said Angel's show has such a different vibe. Also SMG could be crying over dropping her candy bar in the sand and I would cry with her. She is TOO GOOD!

[@daniig62]

I’m so glad that they made it so Buffy wouldn’t remember bc she’s had enough damn pain in her life. Angel can cope and brood, he’s got it down to a science

[@jaycievictory8461]

"I feel like there might be a little small crossover with Buffy, but nothing else." Hahaha. HAHAHA. HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA 😭😭😭😭 Poor Alley

[@erikohman2294]

I just love this. Also it feels so brilliant, because this gives him a past with Buffy that Angel viewers can relate to. They will understand him brooding, but Doyle still wont. I think the characters from Buffy are now seen a bit more from Angels POV and it makes them feel different. Also some things like lighting and such can be different. I feelt this a bit when Oz did his first scene in Angel. It's Oz, and he is doing Oz things, but he is still a bit of to me. Possibly this could be why she would feel out of character.

[@freshPrincess626]

I think this episode is what made Bangel one of my favorite star-crossed lovers couples.

[@leadingblind1629]

Uh-oh. We're here...

[@BryanMartinezSevenM]

"Is this out of character"? I think it's more of a regression of character, or at least that's what they intended. I think it was mostly for the fans who were still holding out hope they could get together. This was the shows way of saying, even if things were perfect for them it wouldn't work.

[@quinnwilder6990]

Loving your brilliant analysis of this classic show so much. You have such incredible insights into this show for a first-time viewer.

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

All the crossover episodes are basically just big flashing neon signs that prove Buffy and Angel work better separately

[@TheNoybusiness]

I've been waiting for your reaction to Buffy's entrance and it did not disappoint! The tea and crackers scene reminds me a lot of a comparable scene in the series Dark Angel (or vice versa, since Dark Angel came later). Don't want to spoil you for it with specifics in case you watch Dark Angel (which is good, and has Jensen Ackles in it). Buffy said, " I was really jonesing for another heartbreaking sewer talk." to Angel in this episode, so I think it was intentional. Maybe the fanfic you're referring to was referencing Angel. Buffy and Angel have been around long enough to be trope codifiers, and there are definitely multiple "this is a fic in the setting of fandom A using this device from Buffy/Angel" fics. No, this is the first time Doyle has mentioned the Oracles, and the first time he's given Angel some more detail about the Powers That Be. Like he says when they talk, he hasn't told him everything. The Powers That Be give Doyle visions to guide Angel, and the Oracles are intermediaries between mortals and the Powers (not spoilers, 'cause Doyle actually said both these things to Angel this episode). .

[@thatoneguyagain2252]

Doyle mentions "the Powers That Be" in episode one - they are the source of his visions, and as such they are utilizing Doyle (and by extension, Angel) in their fight against the forces of darkness. They are detached from the human world, but not disinterested in its fate. They hold immense power, so to them, Angel is indeed a Lower Being. It's no wonder that they're annoyed by Angel's visit: bothering them with the petty problems of the Mortal plane could be compared to stomping into Bill Gates' office and cussing him out about how slow Windows 10 is running.

[@clarad]

I just finished the series yesterday for the first time. I cried 3 times and weirdly ('cause i'm not a bangel fan AT ALL ) this episode was the first where I had tears. For those who wonder, I cried yesterday and for the hundredth

[@Belnick6666]

Sarah did day time soaps before this i think, she is very good at emotional scenes. ive been doing sports since i was 6 and most people might consider me to be an "alpha" or whatever, but Sarah Michelle Gellar in a emotional scene, like in buffy can even get me to shed a tear lol

[@bobbyclarkston8836]

So, it’s curious to hear u say that a normal human and a slayer can’t make it work. I wonder what that’ll mean for Buffy and Riley?

[@esmerv7064]

I know this is a fan favourite episode but it's never really worked for me, glad I'm not alone in that opinion. Great video as always!

[@88missjessica]

welcome to the best saddest scene in all of television (probably) i cry EVERY time

[@bobbyclarkston8836]

Yeah, it’s fucked. That’s why it’s called sacrifice

[@moviereviews4life]

One of my favorite episodes, it had to happen. I saw this when it came on and on the one hand you needed a way to get more Buffy viewers watching Angel but it's the storyline of exes getting back together and realizing why they couldn't be together. Angel is a lot older than Buffy so yeah Angel was the one that needed to draw the line. Angel may look like a 20+ year old but in the show he's way older, pedo older, but that's the standard with teen vampire stories (but at least Angel waited until she was 18 unlike another vampire staying in high school).

[@Leafsdude]

Time to watch another piece of your soul ripped out by this franchise. :D :D :D ETA: 19:40 - They *love* doing this. It's almost like Family Guy cutaways. See: 7:53.

[@jb888888888]

*Allegedly* during that penultimate scene David Boreanaz says Sarah's name when Angel is trying to comfort Buffy. I've never heard it even when listening for it.

[@ashplayssims]

I have never heard it, but I feel like there’s maybe a moment where you can see his mouth saying “Sarah” and not “Buffy”

[@Jcewazhere]

Alley, you slay me. And apparently 11,500 other people. Congrats :D

[@kamino78]

I think I actually enjoyed it even more knowing it wasn’t gonna work out.

[@jeanetteking434]

I’ll always want Buffy and Angel back together lol.

[@litafanforlife]

Me too lol

[@Stephie_L]

Same. I never felt there was closure on their relationship...Buffy never had that kind of deep longing and love with anyone else in my opinion.

[@joemaldonado7698]

Angel doesn't sulk...he broods. ;)

[@razycrandomgirl]

you think she brought tissues for this episode. ugh the fact that they play their theme while Sarah cries ... speaking of I believe david says "Sarah" while trying to comfort her. I was never a bangel shipper but this was a good episode, for the heartbreak alone. I guess they just wanted to show how tragic Angel is on his own show.

[@xxSydneyFox]

I remember watching this episode for the first time more than 10 years ago and it brought back the bangel feels. The nostalgia even if I was also over them at that point.

[@IDyce88]

Buffy and Angel have two very different ways of doing things on their own turf: Buffy is like: I will do what is right but i won't harm people or go too far...and i have to be the leader. Angel is more like: I will do WHATEVER IS NECESARY to stop evil (and sometimes his friends or allies will question his ethics and morals) anyone who is hoping for a happy ending with Buffy n Angel may as well drop the cake on that now...ain't gonna happen.