Angels | Classifications, Physicality, & Sexes | Episode 10 w

[@2GunRock]

The moment Heiser explained the Nephilim in Genesis, my mind immediately said: Homer's Odyssey is real, not myth. The only difference being, the Odyssey is from the pagan perspective. Ditto Egyptian, Nordic et al.

[@dawndakennemer2762]

The scripture I'm 61 and this is the 1st time I thought " The #'s 24 /7 day & night , ALWAYS ,WATCHING & WORSHIPING !

[@K81620]

I love these discussions but please, dudes, don't interrupt each other!!!

[@johnmosby7368]

Do you ever spend any time with dudes talking earnestly amongst themselves? This how friends have a discussion. It is what it is.

[@appaloosa42]

They’re worse than women!

[@internettrashtalker]

Not nearly as annoying as people who use multiple exclamation marks…

[@jytogatewood]

everyone always asks whether the 12th elder apostle is Paul or Mathias, but nobody ever asks if one of them was John, and if so, was John looking at himself??

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Yeah this is why I don’t think this interpretation holds up.

[@jytogatewood]

@spindoggytheexplorer2915 why? that wouldn't be the weirdest thing in the bible. that wouldn't even be the weirdest thing in revelation. Is St. John allowed to see everyone's future except his own?

[@johnjessey6955]

So again guys awesome topic. Absolutely captivating. But I can’t listen anymore with y’all talking over each other.

[@AstroMonkey88]

I’m surprised they discussed what angels are made of without contemplating what Augray says of the eldila in Out of the Silent Planet. He says that they’re beings that move faster than how we move so they don’t appear physical to us, instead only being visible as the slightest shifts in light and a silvery sound.

[@robinjones7373]

Greetings from the Island of Manus, Papua New Guinea. We are enroute to the Solomon islands on a yacht. Have been watching your giant and nephelim videos in anticipation of arriving in the islands of giants.

[@mjrnbass2732]

Love your teachings. It becomes frustrating for me when the 3 of you are speaking at the same time. Info becomes a blur.

[@MrDeathray117]

Im sad they didnt talk avout enoch more. He literally describes angels with their names and hierarchies. I understand that enoch is not recognized as fully inspired but it was one of the most common texts found in the dead sea scrolls. Clearly early christians valued the lessons there.

[@AustinTexasGardening]

Enoch is not the inspired word of God, so it’s at best an unreliable and secondary resource. I think they wanted to focus on Scripture primarily for this video

[@MrDeathray117]

@@AustinTexasGardening they talk about enochian ideas, themes, etc. in their other videos regularly and discuss extra biblical sources all the time. You don't have to present Enoch as 100% fact to consider the ancient Jewish perspective on angels. Either way, I just wished they would have considered the enochian view for this discussion.

[@heydude7568]

the book of enoch is blasphemous occult fakery carrying less worth than a used menstrual tag

[@scmccuiston4052]

35:34 no right hand but he does have a right side when seated in the throne. Ever heard of John Fenn? He says he met the father personally and that the Son comes and gives him teachings. Literally. He seams in point but I’ve never heard anyone speak about it like he does. Not even Paul. I’m iffy about him because of how he talks about it. I just don’t know. But you guys should look into him and give me your thoughts on what he says. 38:23

[@Onkuty]

There is no reason to believe in more categories or classes of angels. There could just be "the angels" having many roles and forms.

[@scmccuiston4052]

What’s y’all thoughts on when Steven dies Christ is standing at the right hand. He’s not seated at that moment. I’ve heard that he was ready to come back then if the people had believed Steven. They didn’t so he prepared Saul to be Paul and sent him out to the gentiles when the Jews denied him that last time. Thoughts? 38:05

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

I've been waiting for this episode because it's very important to me to know whether, when the Watchers descended on Mt. Hermon, there were goddesses among their number. The sense I'm getting is, probably not, but the gods would have taken on female form because they wanted to mess with humans sexually.

[@appaloosa42]

Angels are ‘of themselves’ neither male nor female *but*capable of assuming whichever human form that serves the purpose. Whether the purpose is on God’s authority or their own!

[@490Believer]

I saw an catholic exorcist/priest interview awhile back. He said each angel is itself its own specie, angels have differing orders of power, duties, amount of communication from the Lord, from the Father, from the Holy Spirit. Their assignments will dictate how they will appear (or not) in the material world. They do not in themselves have physical bodies or the body parts respective to sex. He also said we each human has a guardian angel, humans never become angels, that Mary was/is sinless. I’ve had much trouble justifying all of these claims in my NKJV Bible, however. Some yes. And another thing: they revere Mary almost to the point of deity, but the Bible (at least mine) clearly states that (paraphrased) “Of all those born (humans) John (the Baptist) is the greatest.” Not Mary nor Joseph nor Abraham nor Isaiah nor Moses nor Ishmael nor Adam nor any of the apostles nor any other of the estimated 112,000,000,000 humans ever born.

[@michaellautermilch9185]

8:40 are you sure the "angel of the Lord" is always Christ? Malachi 2:7

[@jeremypatterson7308]

Paul himself seems to recognize Matthias as the 12th apostle (1 Cor 15:5)

[@rachelmoore1974]

Yeah, didn't Paul say he wasn't worthy to be called one of them?

[@jeremypatterson7308]

@@rachelmoore1974 he definitely was AN apostle, but distinct from the 12. And maybe distinct from ALL the others as well.

[@OscarSanchez-un2rc]

I thought it was today 6/7/24 Friday at 2pm. Bummer!

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Yes it is today! I mis-scheduled it. Just fixed. Premiering shortly.

[@OscarSanchez-un2rc]

Watching it 😊

[@Joyce-bg1jh]

Thank you for your lesson today.Grateful for God's good angels.🙏🙏

[@dannyshearman7068]

These 3 guys! The best!

[@rachelmoore1974]

I always thought of angels being like Jesus was in his resurrected body. Jesus sat and ate with the disciples, yet he also walked through walls, and appeared and disappeared. It's like he was corporeal yet transmutable. We could all debate and theorize for weeks, but there's nothing in the Bible which we can use to come to a definitive conclusion about angels. We'll just have to wait until we get to heaven to find out. Ultimately, none of this matters anyway because it doesn't affect our Christian walk.

[@valeriehinkle8995]

I LOVE listening to you guys BUT you're wrong about the Sabbath being changed from Saturday to Sunday. Nowhere in scriptures will you find where God changed the Sabbath. Nowhere. And "the Lord's day" doesn't refer to Sunday it refers to THE DAY in which the Lord will return.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Wrong.

[@valeriehinkle8995]

@@TwentyTwoThirtyThree I'm open to being proven wrong. Show me scriptures specifically saying God Himself changed it .

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@valeriehinkle8995 I really don't think you are though. The Lord rising on the first day of the week was to fulfill the sabbath which was only a shadow of what was to come. The whole point of the Saturday sabbath was to point to Christ who would be raised from the dead on Sunday. The church then gathered on the first day of the week, not only because that is the day Christ rose from the dead, but that the sabbath was fulfilled.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@valeriehinkle8995 show me a scripture saying that Christ is the son of God. A verse where he says exactly that. See what you're doing?

[@valeriehinkle8995]

​​@@TwentyTwoThirtyThreeJesus rose sometime after sundown Saturday evening. He was crucified on Wednesday NOT FRIDAY but before the HIGH Sabbath which was on Thursday and He was in the grave as He said He would be for 3 days and 3 nights. There were TWO Sabbaths that week because of the feast of unleavened bread, a high Sabbath AND the weekly Sabbath. Wednesday night Thursday night Friday night = 3 nights all day Thursday Friday and Saturday there's your 3 full days. He rose after sunset SATURDAY evening NOT at sunrise Sunday morning. When the tomb was discovered empty it was still dark, and He was not there. The "Easter" sunrise service is rooted in pagan tradition of worshipping eshtar and sacrificing infants on the alter of eshtar, and dying eggs with the blood of those babies. All that to prove my point that; resurrection Sunday is not the reason Paul in Acts had gathered with the church . He gathered with the church that day because he was leaving the next day. They gathered money that day because it was forbidden to handle money on the Sabbath. The disciples were STILL meeting on the Sabbath after the resurrection. And they were still meeting on the Sabbath even after the resurrection because they understood that scriptures commanded them to. "The Lord's day" doesn't refer to the day Jesus rose it refers to the day Jesus is coming back ..

[@zachcoplin8735]

Something to think about in regards to Zechariah 5:9, these were all visions not necessarily something that physically happened

[@jahnvantuttlesma8215]

Ah yes, one of the important debates of our time!

[@jytogatewood]

It would be easy if Watcher was meant in the same sense as like neighborhood watch, cause then Watcher and Guardian Angel would be pretty much synonymous in meaning. By easy I mean easily defined, the idea of the Watchers being these women's own guardian angels in Gen 6 is actually deeply unsettling.

[@missinglink_eth]

Task oriented: the divine council scene where the volunteer told God he would go and entice Ahab. 1 Kings 22:19-23 🤔

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

That was an evil spirit.

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

What if angel doesn't really mean messenger of God but rather messenger god? Because if it means messenger of God, then the angel of the LORD translates to messenger of God of Yahweh. Seems kind of redundant.

[@AstroMonkey88]

About the nations being given over to the sons of God, Christ says all authority has been given over to Him. In Deuteronomy it says God kept for Himself Jacob, but when Christ rises (and eventually ascended) He has all authority. I interpret it to mean that He now owns all the nations (and their disarmed, publicly shamed powers) as Jacob was owned. The ones who do not follow Him, are still under His authority in this new sense, but their powers, princes, and authorities are rebels trying to war. Additionally, after the resurrection, the divine counsel takes a lesser role. If the 24 elders are in fact the divine counsel, then their casting away of their crowns would represent relinquishing authority to Christ.

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

I like that!

[@K81620]

Also All Farmer bills products are sold out! The stuff I wanted to buy.

[@robinjones7373]

Love your guys work.

[@MegaTigers01]

Have to ask though why God would create sexual beings without a counterpart for fulfillment of sexual desire. Seems to me that where there is "biological" sex there is desire. What would be the purpose of it without the fulfillment potentiality. Was it just because of his decree that a third of the stars, angels, would fall and then procreate with human women? Surely the Nephilim too are within his decree. I remain unconvinced by any of this. They really didn't go far enough. The most compelling comment to me was the idea that since God has revealed himself as father that his creation of angelic orders would be male gendered. I see that. But then with full biological sex capacities? I do not see that. There is no marriage or given in marriage in heaven and sex (procreation) is only allowed in a covenant (marriage) relationship. Anything else is sin.

[@susiek8475]

I have to agree. Why would God create angels with the ability to procreate if that’s not what angels do I think it’s exclusively a human attribute. Author of this video seems to be especially hung up on it and even called himself chauvinistic

[@bswihart1]

Serious question, why would God need all these helpers, armies, messengers ect..

[@timlloyd3539]

Gents, if there’s going to be a month for 12 sins, in this part of the world it’s “pride month”…in which order should we go? And starting in the Gregorian calendar of cours 😢

[@Resist.Tyranny]

You said essentially that if you interpret a passage analogously, you have to interpret it all or only analogously. That is totally wrong. In Rev 12:1-6 we have a scene described as a great wonder in heaven. We know that scene to be the literal precise description of events from 3 B.C. through 2 B.C. of actual celestial events involving draco the dragon, virgo the virgin, Jupiter the king planet, and Venus the queen planet, as well as the sun, moon and some other stars. Yet, we also know that while these were literal celestial events, they were the signs and representation of physical events, that God the king visited the virgin of Israel and she conceived and brought forth a man child who was to rule the nations with a rod of iron. We know that Roman Dragon physically sought to physically kill the child. Y'all talk a good bit about Rev. 4. Here we have things discussed which are clearly symbols identified in other places in scripture, as well as other biblical connections. The church introduces many problems by failing to differentiate between heaven and the kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of heaven may still be referred to as heaven or heavenly, which makes a few passages challenging. Kingdom things: 24 enthroned crowned elders Rev 4 24 divisions of priests 1 Chron 24 24 divisions of singers in the temple 1 Chron 25 24 elders (12 disciples enthroned Mt 19:28, 12 tribes Rev 21:12) lightnings and thunderings- Thunder is repeatedly connected with a powerful spoken message especially from God, as the companions of Saul found out. lamps of fire/ Spirits of God - surely we are not suggesting the spirit(s) of God are literally a lamps like you would set on a table. (also seen in Ex 25, 26, 27, 32) sea of glass - The sea represents peoples of the earth Rev 17:15, and the fact that it is glassy calm indicates peace and tranquility 4 beasts- revelation is full of beasts representing kingdoms, as is Daniel. These 4 beasts are the same as those representing the 4 sides if Israel's encampment. 1. Lion/Judah 2. Calf/Ephraim faced west 3. Man/Reuben faced south 4. Eagle/Dan faced north We know that none of these beasts actually have six wings or are full of eyes, or we would call them something else. All of these things are symbols described elsewhere in scripture and related to the kingdom. The only question is how literally do these kingdom thing reflect parallel things in heaven. We can only speculate.

[@AngelsAvenues-kh7ir]

When reformers talk about the Sabbath they really botch it because they don't understand the hebrew roots or what the day of the Lord truly is. It's the 8th day not the 7th, the beginning of a new octave in the timeline of mankind.

[@stevewaller5577]

You should reread the gospel of Thomas. Mary was not changed into a man. It was simply sarcasm by Jesus. Jesus allowed Mary to sit at the table which was not allowed that is women to sit at the table. So when the other men complained to Jesus about her being at the table he said Am I to turn my own mother into a man for her to sit at the table. Pretty much saying my mother can sit wherever she pleases.

[@luzdeluna350]

The 24 older are the 12 sons of Israel + the 12 Apostles.

[@LVioletta1]

Thank you for that! I really appreciate you!

[@appaloosa42]

The 24 elders cannot be the Watchers because the watchers are fallen angels.

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

WHAT IF... the angel of the LORD is actually the incarnate Christ time-traveling? That's my unhinged two cents for today.

[@archdukeMTB]

the number of ads in these segments is overbearing.

[@valeriehinkle8995]

@TwentyTwoThirtyThree Jesus rose sometime after sundown Saturday evening. He was crucified on Wednesday NOT FRIDAY but before the HIGH Sabbath which was on Thursday and He was in the grave as He said He would be for 3 days and 3 nights. There were TWO Sabbaths that week because of the feast of unleavened bread, a high Sabbath AND the weekly Sabbath. Wednesday night Thursday night Friday night = 3 nights all day Thursday Friday and Saturday there's your 3 full days. He rose after sunset SATURDAY evening NOT at sunrise Sunday morning. When the tomb was discovered empty it was still dark, and He was not there. The "Easter" sunrise service is rooted in pagan tradition of worshipping eshtar and sacrificing infants on the alter of eshtar, and dying eggs with the blood of those babies. All that to prove my point that; resurrection Sunday is not the reason Paul had gathered with the church. They gathered money that day because it was forbidden to handle money on the Sabbath. The disciples were STILL meeting on the Sabbath after the resurrection. And they were still meeting on the Sabbath even after the resurrection because they understood that scriptures commanded them to. "The Lord's day" doesn't refer to the day Jesus rose it refers to the day Jesus is coming back .

[@nerychristian]

Greetings from Los Angeles, the home of the angels

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

🤣 good one!

[@MegaTigers01]

Fallen angels maybe

[@cynthiaisenberg1029]

Pardon the stupid question, but who are the 24 Saints?

[@Resist.Tyranny]

Gaurdian angel: if each has his own why would Daniel have to wait weeks for an answer from God delivered by an angel.

[@paulmetzler89]

In the book of Job, it says the "sons" of God came to God.... If there are daughters of God, then why didn't God command them to show up as well?

[@autumnunderwood7430]

Tbh, I don't think there are any female angels for reasons I won't get into because it would take to long, but I don't think, them being referred to as "sons of God" means there are no girls among them. It's common in some languages to refer to a mixed group in the masculine even though there are women present (like Spanish for example). Also, as children of God, Paul refers to us on a few occasions as being "adopted sons of God" despite the fact that their are female elect as well. I don't know Greek so if we dove into that you might be able to prove me wrong and I'm open to that, but based on what I know right now, "sons of God" could refer to females as well.

[@paulmetzler89]

@@autumnunderwood7430 I understand what your saying... Hebrew does have masculine and feminine language as well. Honestly, I'm not sure. Thanks for your input. One thing I will say... Jesus is the "Son of God" as well, and He came as a male. All angels that have ever appeared before man have been angels in the masculine form. It is a mystery indeed, but I put all my eggs in the basket that there are no female angels that look like us anyway... Maybe weird animal looking female angels lol

[@susanholbrook4185]

The holy men hold the Holy Priesthood. There are women angels but they are assigned different jobs. They are beside the men and help in many decisions. There are many earths according to Enoch. Millions!

[@lydiacatherine2260]

When Jesus talks about not marrying or being given in marriage he was calling out the religious leaders for their Mount Hermon practice of procreating with the Watchers. The only other time he uses that phrase is to compare it to his return the the evil that would be going on.

[@benjaminisales5386]

I've always heard that the 7 spirits represent the Holy Spirit

[@EmissariesoftheGospel]

I agree with this.

[@aitornavarro6597]

Right, I've also heard that. Many say the number 7 represents the fullness, completeness and perfection of the Spirit of God.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Just Read Isaiah 11 and your question is answered. No need 4 speculation.

[@dominicadamo7851]

Wow, these guys seem quite intelligent with this discussion, wait wait, they talking about angels, sorry, take it back.

[@valjustice4020]

He did not move his sabbath! That is so wrong.

[@thundergrace]

how is it that we sense the presence of evil spirits...like an evil spirit?

[@sailfish6716]

"...there is such thing as a spiritual "body," or, a type that is "real," and it would be improper for us to call it physical, even though we- some of the things that we mean by physical, I think are true of it; that it's real, and it's not just like, a hologram..." That is to say... *Ahem* ~as I get my Thesaurus on..~ It has some "form" of "embodiment"; "tangible," and of "substance," being "perceive"ably "manifest" in a "distinct," "observable," "original," "genuine" "incarnation" that is "undeniable" in it's "evident" "actuality." ..maybe. 🤙🙏

[@footspade3001]

Its 17:11 in real time so far! 😂

[@thundergrace]

You men are super smart!

[@KyleCombes]

Very interesting

[@NCSWIC17]

Joel, your position on the Sunday sabbath is clown stuff

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Scripture?

[@rbmath]

Where do "male" angels get 23 human chromosomes to unite with the female's 23 chromosomes? This is where the genes are situated. An egg, like a sperm, contains half the number of chromosomes as a normal cell, i.e. 23 each. So once an egg and sperm combine during fertilisation the resulting embryo will have the normal 46 chromosomes in total.

[@MegaTigers01]

Bingo. Why would God decree such an eventuality?

[@systemrevolt7309]

I think they jumped the gun on the casting lots and didn’t wait on God. Paul is the Apostle. Another great episode! I will have to rewatch this one. It was a cram fest…

[@michaellautermilch9185]

Then why does the Bible seem to acknowledge Matthias by recording that choice?

[@systemrevolt7309]

@@michaellautermilch9185 so you can go on and read the rest of the Bible and know why he was not His choice, but theirs.

[@LVioletta1]

I totally always thought to myself that all the angels were male because God created them also in his image cuz they are the sons of God all is well, and female only came about when he created man

[@brendachilds8018]

I appreciate the conversation..but if John wasn't sworn to secrecy by God himself..he would have shared his vision with man..I feel feel you are walking a very fine line..deciphering phenomena..which the Bible clearly states not to indulge in..

[@chapbot2023]

"Heiser has tremendously sloppy theology" LMAO

[@aitornavarro6597]

Right?? That's what I said. They only say that because Heiser didn't susbcribe to calvinistic predestination 😆 😆

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@aitornavarro6597 Nope, because he was all over the place.

[@aitornavarro6597]

@@TwentyTwoThirtyThree Well Heiser wasn't a systematic theologian he was more of a biblical one.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@aitornavarro6597 Blah blah blah

[@chapbot2023]

@@TwentyTwoThirtyThree 🤡

[@scmccuiston4052]

Women cover their heads because of the angels is thought provoking. Hmmm??

[@appaloosa42]

It’s because of ( mistaken) belief about the role of hair in intercourse. Michael Heiser details this.

[@ProphecyisPattern-zt7tn]

That Sabbath is still the seventh day. It was never changed. It can't be changed. The very word Sabbath means 7. Sunday is day 8 as well as day 1. Day 8 is the day of new beginnings. It is a worthy day to celebrate, but it not and never will be the Sabbath. The Day of the Lord is the day of judgement. I believe John was seeing the future Day of the Lord. He was not referring to Sunday. Although the pattern suggests that day will be a Sunday.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Nope.

[@Surdashery954]

Why does God need all these Armies and defense?!

[@karihorner8739]

I don’t think that God in heaven will have ladies covering their heads. I love these breakdowns, but women seem to be represented as something less than men.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Women need to cover their heads on Earth. It's speculation to guess about it in heaven.

[@susiek8475]

That, and if there were female angels, they would be relegated to the mess hall and cooking

[@Moxxie73]

I didn’t like when you used “ Teenage girl “ 37: 56 in your video to compare GOD , as a teenage girl I find this very offensive I listen to you guys all the time I think this is very offensive and inappropriate and I am disappointed , you should have generalized it and said teenager .

[@thundergrace]

angel of the Lord is God speaking...theophany? walking with Adam

[@ronaldmessenger5322]

Please don't talk over each other. Can make it hard to listen. A little bit annoying actually.

[@AprilNRay]

"I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed". "If you love me obey my commandments" you are saying that Christians have a separate Sabbath from the 7th day and that is a false teaching. Shame on you. Sabbath has always been 7th day for the Hebrews, and the sojourner. Yes there is a Lords day, but to say that this is the new sabbath is adding to scripture (a sin) and to say that Jesus changed the sabbath is to say that he broke the commandments of God which would make him a false prophet and anti-christ.

[@DeanUSAMale]

NO FEMALE ANGELS... Zero.

[@williamwayland1888]

People get hung up on the word god. The bible calls them gods. But there is a difference. There are many gods, but there is only 1 true God. Lower case g gods, are what? We have gods and man. How is the word God used? To define an immortal being. That's it. But there are false gods, pretending to be the creator. The roman gods were real, the Egyptian gods were real. They were immortal beings. That's why God said they shall die like men. Read psalm 82 and deutoronomy 32. Big God, appointed immortal brings, over the different nations of the earth, 70 I believe, that happened after the tower of bable. God was like, alright, I'm done with yall, walk in your own ways, and as for my inheritance I'll pick this 1 dude named Abraham and this woman named Sarah.

[@williamwayland1888]

And dr michael heisner explains this really well and in depth. If you like this channel, I suggest you all check out his seminars, they are fantastic. Rip Dr. Heisner

[@brendachilds8018]

Clearly, none of you have experienced the devil first hand..if you had..you would be praying on your knees the rosary in all its glory praying for salvation. Your egos are so big...you are not spreading the word ..you are spreading speculation and fear..the devils realm..you have no idea what GOD is thinking..the devil is laughing at you. You are indulging his deceit.