Anglican Unscripted 862 - "Over" the Rainbow

[@marianmatthews8263]

I am praying for you George, especially that Jesus will touch your heart and heal you to the glory of His Name. We love you and your wisdom, and therefore love these broadcasts.

[@cdy1952]

Got it! Jeff will cover the conference and share the news! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@jameswall6270]

God bless you George. Wishing you good health

[@trustthevorlon]

Considering there‘s another ACNA bishop currently on trial accused of negligence…How is it the bishop of C4SO is not also being held to trial? This is a pattern of either willful negligence or sheer ignorance. Considering this parish is in his home town it’s hard to believe he couldn’t know. Either way, this is not an isolated issue in C4SO.

[@bd1949]

Ive had 4 ablation procedures over 15 years. Serious but well tolerated. You will feel better. God bless.

[@paulgrayshon1375]

Many years ago Jackie Pullinger said the Lamb triumphs over the dragon. Amen and alleluia

[@Bob.W.]

You mean the 1-2% of the population tail in no longer wagging the dog? 😂

[@davidsprouse151]

2015 pew research found 70% of christians worldwide said lgbqtia2s should be accepted.

[@johnhudghton3535]

Thank you for another informative and entertaining edition.

[@stephengriffin4612]

Great show again. Wise thoughts from wise men. George, you're looking good, good color, do what the MD says. You look fine too, Kevin. Just stay out of the sun. Thank you for your witness.

[@johnjon1823]

Celibacy is the required norm for all Christians living in the unmarried state. There are no exceptions to this. Thus, single Christians should be both celibate and chaste as a requirement. Among married people chastity is required within the confines of marriage. One practices chastity according to one's state in life. Chastity alone does not include celibacy it is the kind of chastity according to one's marital state. To be chaste one is control oneself, thoughts, actions and the like relative to the sexual desires and thoughts and indeed deeds. Marriage is not a license for sinful thoughts, words, or behaviors. It is a state of union for the good of children, families, and the formation of Christian households. Such households are to be places of love, chastity, temperance, and holiness, a place where Jesus is welcome. A home of virtue and goodness and charity. Chastity includes avoiding masturbation and that which may excite such behavior. Masturbation is a sin and an abuse of the self, just like other forms of popular self-abuse. Should one fail to live up to the standards of true Christian living by falling into sin; one must repent of such behaviors and seek forgiveness of sin. The power to forgive sins was given to Christ to His apostles and their successors. Such forgiveness is normally found in the sacrament of confession. One would first and foremost speak with God and ask for forgiveness, and one would then, in obedience to Christ, seek the sacrament to ensure that which Christ promised. To do otherwise to not confess, is to disobey the Lord. Failure to follow the Lord's way is to not obtain those graces that He wants to provide, and failure to confess is often a prideful thing, this month of June should lead one to ponder pride vs. humility. Within the Catholic Church the month of June is dedicated to something referred to as The Sacred Heart. The Sacred Heard IS essentially Jesus Himself with a focus on His Heart, the seat of His love. In that one focuses on unique union of God and man in the heart of the Savior, that heart that loved so much. Ponder then the humility of that heart and the pride of parades of the poor souls who are oblivious all but carnal desire, locked in a hellish delusion of either ignorance or rejection of God. Therefore, prayers are needed for the salvation of souls, and the liberation of sinners from sin, that the life of God may be all in all. Best wishes!

[@DonalLeader]

Absolutely on point. There is no form of celibacy that compromises on chastity. That is why vowed religious take a vow chastity,

[@davidsprouse151]

@@DonalLeader It's a question of priorites. Some people are obsessed with their own salvation so much that they cloister themselves away from society prioritizing their own self-discipline over their obligations to other human beings (e.g. matthew 25 and others) Jesus told us to prioritize compassion and the service of others Most religions have similar distinctions (mahayana versus hinayana in Buddhism) Aesceticism has a role, but it's not the end game. You wont let gay people get married. So saying sex outside of marriage is always a sin isn't taking into account their situations, your point is moot. If a gay person still follows these commandments and has sex outside of marriage, it's clear to me at least how Jesus would feel

[@johnjon1823]

@@davidsprouse151 Well He will separate the sheep form the goats. My point remains, sin is always sin. Jesus would prefer no sin at all; it cost Him on the cross. All sexual activity outside marriage is a sin, one's sexual proclivities are irrelevant. Those who may have homosexual tendencies are not given a pass anymore than a bachelor with normal proclivities. Marriage is not an option for two homosexuals to join one another since it is not in the design of God. Sin is not in the design. While mental disorders may mitigate against culpability for various sins, sin itself is not abrogated by difficult circumstances. Culpability may be mitigated, but sin remains sin. Therefore, one may be objectively guilty of grave or mortal sin, while subjectively the culpability may be mitigated due to the particulars of the situation. In any case sin is still sin and Jesus does not endorse any sin. Further, the grace to avoid sin IS provided by God, it IS there, it is up to the individual to make use of it. Nobody gets a free pass on sin, nobody. The effects of original sin darkened the intellect, and damaged the unity of the will, the intellect and the imagination, to say nothing of genetics. All humans are damaged goods. ALL sin damages the person, ALWAYS. One becomes blind to the sin by its repetition, and that further darkens the intellect, hence: men in skirts, baby killing, self-sterilization. All sin has an impact on the human environment in every respect. All sin debases mankind, every sin does this, and it is the goal of the devil to debase that which is made in the image of God. Sodomy debases all who do it, just as adultery and the like. These are deadly sins. Life is restored by repentance. If one falls a thousand times, one must repent 1001. This is why 70x7 is important to know. No passes for sin, NONE. Mitigation of culpability -up to God alone. We don't get Jesus on the cheap. The road is narrow, narrow, the gate is small. This is why purgatory exists, few die in perfection and the Lord loves us all. For those who do not know the Truth, scripture tells us they are judged by the light they have, but the Lord does indeed write the commandments on the human heart. It is urgent to convert the world. Look at where it is. God bless! Best wishes!

[@davidsprouse151]

@@johnjon1823 did you really write all that?

[@johnjon1823]

@@davidsprouse151 Nobody else at the keyboard, just me.

[@mikecrees9715]

That Lambeth 110 thing is unbelievable!!

[@marmeemarch7080]

These people do not believe in God. Or at least, they don't believe the Biblical eschatology and the Creeds.

[@cdy1952]

Intercessions for you George from HK. I assume you are unable to attend the Cairo conference now. Will you still get access to reports and policies coming out from the conference?

[@johngillatt2740]

Is there a continuing Anglican church in South Africa that leans towards the high church expression? I am aware of Reach who are more low church. I returned to the Anglican Church Of Southern Africa after my wanderings in an independent church. The church I currently attend is faltering. I have learned to appreciate the high church expression.

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@@royquick-s5n I doubt any of those organizations will be able to help this person.

[@marmeemarch7080]

Have you looked into TAC, the Traditional Anglican Communion? Not sure if they have a presence in SA now, but it's worth a look. You may have to reach out to the USA office.

[@bkjunkie1553]

I completely disagree. PRIDE is more in our face than it ever has been. KZbin has an icon that shows up at the top of the screen, forcing PRIDE content into my feed. Amazon Prime channel is pushing these programs. Target, Wal-mart commercials advertising theme related products, supportive companies. Everything I turn on is pumping this into my world. It's all most impossible to get rid of.

[@marmeemarch7080]

I've had the opposite experience. My podcast app didn't turn into rainbow colors this year like it did last year.

[@katharinedavis4947]

I'm afraid many Christians are naive and unrealistic. These things do happen, and we need to face up to the situation and punish wrong doers . Protecting the institution is shortsighted. Eventually the institution is damaged far more as in this case. Having all this publicity about the Archbishop of Canterbury is doing far more damage than would have done by prosecuting the original wrongdoer . We should be protecting young people in the church first and foremost.

[@787Earl]

God bless you, thank you

[@thomasrolland8803]

thanks Gents!!

[@lancersharpe]

As a minister who came to Anglicanism in my 40s, I am still mystified why the church has to employ barristers and solicitors in disciplinary issues in church. When I was a manager in business, we investigated misconduct ourselves under the company's procedures. If we made mistakes then the one being disciplined could appeal and then take us to an employment tribunal. To spend half-a-million quid on legal fees in an internal process is crazy - especially as the SEC is not a state church. The diocese is absolutely tiny as well - like stipendiary clergy being in single figures I believe. Just self inflicted nonsense as usual.

[@annakimborahpa]

Rev. Conger, do you have a calling to the Third Order of the Ablates of St. George?

[@joebollig2689]

It’s oblates.

[@annakimborahpa]

;)

[@georgeconger2850]

I don’t know what that is

[@annakimborahpa]

Asking St. George to pray for the success of your ablation, God willing.

[@petewalker6321]

Iwerne Camps (as opposed to what it sounded like 😂)

[@derrybeekeeper]

Great show

[@hughuk6915]

Such agreeable chaps, such (often) inadeaquate grasp of the C of E. What you are trying to do is important, but you throw out some halfbaked and inadequate judgements.

[@carolleonard5780]

Glad to hear about the pride month decline. It's still going strong in Massachusetts.

[@bobk1845]

Pride month starts June 1 ends May 31

[@johnhudghton3535]

But WHY has the Makin ( Smythe) report been delayed? What reason is being given? We all suspect cover up for reputational damage limitation. Yes there is no equal justice in the C of E. It is disgraceful.

[@johnhudghton3535]

Aha just answering my own question. A major contributor, having been shown a pre prublication draft of the report, withdrew his contribution to the document because it was not hitting enough against Welby. So while the delay isn't covering up, it appears the report is, through severely "pulling its punches". I think if Kevin and George had been assogned the task of compiling the report, honest and accurate journalists as they are ( sincerely meant ) then the report would not have "held back" or been "held up".

[@paulgwese4233]

With all due respect to your analysis of the situation prevailing in South Africa after the elections, I think you should do more diligence check on the unresolved issues in the pre and post Apartheid South Africa. The 4,7 m white South Africans have continued to enjoy and benefit from White capital monopoly and the majority of black South Africans still live in abject poverty. The TRC in South Africa was cosmetic and each election is going to bring more tension in the country. Ideologically, the DA party and ANC are very different. EFF and MK party will continue to capitalize on the disgruntlement of the poor and the young people who were born after 1994 who have nothing to do with the struggle for Independence. Archbishop Thabo has been vocal about a range of issues including the rampant corruption and state capture by the politically connected. The unresolved injustices of the past, will continue to affect the entire broad church too eg the Land question. Who owns the land and will they ever willingly sell it? I don't think they're willing to do anything to freely give back the land their ancestors took away from the locals and created Bantustans for the indigenous peoples. Mandela didn't do anything about it because his handlers never wanted him to do so. South Africa should learn from the mistakes that ZIMBABWE made in terms of the Land redistribution. It is not just an economic issue but it's political and religious for Africans. The umbilical cord ties every African to the land. Thus, in pursuit of justice and equality, the Church of the province of southern Africa must advocate for justice and righteousness in this unfolding cunundrum. ANC as a party is at its weakest to provide leadership for a better South Africa.

[@zonwabelebangani6975]

Their agenda on RSA political affairs has always been one-sided, with no intentions to strike a balance. They speak with such authority as if they know we as the our Xhosa Kings lands were taken, and are still in the hands of whites.

[@garthnathaniel1060]

Prayers for your health George.

[@Mark_Dyer]

Gentlemen: the entire topic of 'Safeguarding' is a minefield for the Church: not least because the Church has a problem with human sexuality, 'per se'. I'm just reading Michael Arditti's novel on this very topic, 'THE CHOICE'; and can recommend it to other viewers. Arditti knows the Church of England really well: to judge from his other novels set within it. He's like a contemporary Anthony Trollope! When young, and with burgeoning hormones, young males will try lots of things with their bodies: been there, done that, bought the t-shirt! Unfortunately, the Church is not the right organisation to be providing any advice whatsoever, at this stage of a young man's life (I cannot speak for girls). Packed with Puritans and 'scriptural literalists', the Church imagines that the first tijme an adolescent male has 'sex' should be on his wedding night! This is the stuff of rigid (pardon the pun!) nonsense. We have had more than a century of insights into human sexuality: and the Church (as represented by your type of thinking) has imbibed NONE of these insights. Fortunately, 'secular' society has: although there are more than enough bureaucratic 'woke' women around to ensure that boys are in the situation they are in today. What is it about these people? Are they jealous of burgeoning 'youth'; when theirs' is past? Just look at some of the comments below: and the problem stares you in the face. Jesus of Nazareth began with US: today's church-goers begin with a badly thought-through, un-orthodox, 'Doctrine of Scripture'. Again, they would do well to read Alan Richardson's article on the topic in 'A DICTIONARY OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY'. I know this is an elderly tome; but it explains the Anglican 'Doctrine of Scripture' to perfection. And it is NOT that espoused by so many on here.

[@Mark_Dyer]

@@georgeconger2850 I doubt that, George. Alan Richardson was Professor of Theology at Nottingham University, before being appointed to be Dean of the Cathedral in York. He was a great theologian; and edited 'A DICTIONARY OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY', which has been my 'go-to' reference source for most of my adult life. As for Michael Arditti, he writes novels: many involving the Church of England. 'EASTER' was one of the first of his novels I read. I don't read much fiction: but do enjoy the Shardlak Novels of CJ Sansom, and those of Michael Arditti.

[@nigeljones2811]

I doubt that these comments by Georgeconger2850 are truly by George or his wife.

[@CavershamStA]

Thanks, I've just ordered a copy of A DICTIONARY OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY based on your comment and will look into Michael Ardetti too!

[@Mark_Dyer]

@@CavershamStA My copy dates from 1969 (!) so it may well be out of print. But it is a superb volume. Arditti is simply and enjoyable, but profound, read. I recognise so many of the characters he depicts (including myself!).

[@nigeljones2811]

@@Mark_Dyer Oops, I meant to post as me, not as my church. Fortunately nothing too controversial! Thanks, both books acquired for £3 odd. Having just now read about him on Wikipedia, I'm not sure how I haven't come across Arditti before. Thanks for the recommendations. Your post suggested that I would like what you like. 👍

[@davidsprouse151]

Wishing you well George. Kevin...why are you in the toxic male capital of the world, Idaho?

[@martinploughboy988]

Could I just point out that the CoE Evangelicals may have sought to raise up leading Evangelicals from their young men but God has done pretty well in raising up excellent men in Evangelical non conformity & continues to do so.

[@dalecaldwell]

What happened to Jesus' suggestion that we should have no care for tomorrow?

[@marmeemarch7080]

I thought Pieter Velk was in the Diocese of Pittsburgh?

[@josephrankin2248]

Pride Month, isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? What else needs to be said.

[@martinploughboy988]

It leads to destruction, we are told, as does homosexuality.

[@darylmulwane3430]

Everything is falling into place

[@marmeemarch7080]

Please believe me when I say that I love both of you gentlemen, but: you've admitted to being naïve about ++Welby when he was first selected; nowadays you're being naïve about ++Foley Beach. He's not been a strong leader, and he's been stretched way too thin. The ACNA is a hot mess, and it's partly his fault.

[@darylmulwane3430]

Todd Hunter HAS to go. This hole in the dike will explode and destroy the a ACNA

[@Bob.W.]

Don't gay anglicans in the US already have their own church? TEC.

[@davidmorrison2739]

Gay people do not have to be celibate. They can marry people of the opposite sex.

[@clivejungle6999]

Not if you want to remain a faithful Anglican. In Lev 20, it is listed along with child sacrifice and incest. Paul uses it as an analogy against idolatry and even uses the Septuagint phrase of arsenos koiten in Lev 20:13 for arsenokoitai in 1 Cor 6:9. Also being Anglicans we look to Church history and the Fathers where everyone from Justin Martyr to Augustine make it clear that this is sinful. We even have early 4th century councils such as Elvira that denounce the practice. This is not the teachings of the apostolic church, so submit or go elsewhere.

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@clivejungle6999 I'm not sure that you actually read my comment.

[@clivejungle6999]

@@davidmorrison2739 I dont think trapping a person in a fake relationship is the answer. They should rely on celibacy to deal with their sinful inclinations. Celibacy in the pursuit of the love of God is an expression of holy witness and deserves respect. Wedding homosexuals off to members of the opposite sex they will never have a sexual attraction to seems like a charade.

[@royquick-s5n]

@@clivejungle6999 Is homosexuality genetic or learned? Which is the lie? Homosexuals cannot cease their conduct? Cannot change?

[@k3grappler]

You guys are way way over fixated with the topic of homosexuality. Taking a hard line against it is a total loser for the church universal today.

[@kenbeach5021]

I don't know, we celebrate Jesus' birth one day, crucifixion and resurrection one day each, yet secular society deems it necessary to celebrate Pride for 30 days. Who has the greater obsession?

[@bd1949]

Satan is using sexual sin as THE wedge issue to attack the church.

[@davidsprouse151]

I don't see anyone in the information age having the patience to read through someone's self-styled ruminations about this or that, let alone believe any of it. But these self-styled experts on morality who are essentially repressed moral sadists and masochists will return to the vomit. It's written in the good book! 😬 Btw, interesting fact: the good book cover to cover never mentions domestic cats.

[@martinploughboy988]

The Bible takes a pretty hard line against homosexuality, since it says that those who indulge in this behaviour don't get into the kingdom.

[@k3grappler]

@@bd1949 and the church is falling into the trap by making sexual sin a focus of faith. That;s nonsense and counter productive no matter how you interpret the Bible. Put it on the back burner for Pete's sake.