Ahsoka Episode 8 & Season 1 - DID IT STICK LANDING? - Angry Review

[@nasher931]

I think the big problem with Thrawn is that while he's a tactical genius, he's being written by people who aren't

[@Xenomorphine]

Absolutely. People who don't even consult relevant advisors.

[@AmazingAsian]

Spot on!!!!

[@ChadWinters]

Screenwriter 2 years out of his 3.0 degree in creative writing with no real world experience: “what would a really smart tactical genius do?”

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

Imagine what the writers of Andor could do with Thrawn. The whole Imperial Security Bureau was so well written.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@amysteriousviewer3772 That side of it was the only genuinely well done thing. Unfortunately, outside of the meetings, the actual culmination of all those meetings was still executed very poorly. There was no reason to have allowed that funeral procession, for example and it just degenerated into a generic gun fight, in a way proper Imperial rule wouldn't have allowed for (or at least, would have ended much quicker). Still lots of stormtroopers acting like they had no training, no access to support, etcetera. So, I suspect it would have been much the same as the Thrawn stuff we eventually got.

[@AngryJoeShow]

Im not really sure why otherjoe, alex and i are catching flack for being very critical on the series. This series is not a 10/10 guys. I cannot believe other channels are giving episode 8 a 9/10 and a 10/10, thats crazy to me. Yes i realize that nearly this entire review i was being negative and pointing out issues but we are backing them up with valid points. We also point out good elements when they are there too. The last 2 episodes ive rated at a 6/10 each. Not exactly the best ending for this series. However the series did have some better episodes before it. It just did not stick the landing very well. This series is not as good as Andor. Its not as good as Mando Season 1 or 2. Its better than Obi-wan and book of boba fett, it has great potential but mega fans need to realize it could use some improvement!

[@zoso1up]

Don't worry about it man,you guys stick with your opinions,star wars fans are so divided as it is there's no winning.

[@CBalderas]

Man! I'm always looking forward for your review. Honesty and rationale together. The series started well and then went full Disney mode and ended in a lame state.- why is their ship being carried by the turtle people?? What's going on?

[@golddeagle7]

Im sitting at a 7. Andor and Mando is a high bar. It's a fresh series, and it did what it could. Baylen stole the show. Dave isn't as good as the other directors or show creators, but he's youngish and learning. Honestly, if he somehow hears your criticism, i think he'd admit and try to be a bit clever. I'm hopeful season 2 or the movies let's him get a good team of writers.

[@AussieDadAndrew]

The show is a 2 out of 10 at best

[@gizmokodiak]

I’m sitting at around 6 myself for the whole series. I don’t really think it’s an Ahsoka show as much as it is a Rebels live action. I do know thats the point, but still wanted more character development. I agree with your criticism guys! Good stuff! And as far as Thrawn being the tactical genius, I was a Thrawn fan since the first Heir to the Empire books came out, and he was nothing but incompetent in the entire show.

[@silverwolf813]

I am glad Alex is around to say how things are.

[@raider_reaper_4194]

Hate culture at its finest. Alex is your leader lmao

[@baldutv5575]

Yeah, Alex point it all out. I don´t get why they deleted the grait Thrawn triology in which Thrawn realy was a thret in his tactical genius. But he, we get zombies who can't bite 🤣

[@Saint_Sigismund]

​@@baldutv5575 I too enjoy alcohol

[@FishyAltFishy]

Ezra, the guy who sacrificed himself to get rid of thrawn, stayed trapped on a depressing planet for a decade because of it. His best friend undos all of it in a second, and his reaction to all this? Offscreen and nothing.

[@firstlast9846]

I also hate how they built up Thrawn as Star Wars’ Tywin Lannister.. just this military genius with no conscience.. just for him to fight brain dead idiots who’s best plan of action is to CHARGE the front door????! That’s like Rob Stark just attacking the front door of Kings Landing or Casterly Rock with no other preparations.. Thrawn can’t be a genius - because he’s fighting people who are gonna win regardless.

[@johno1544]

Thrawn barely seems like a threat in this

[@Haegemon]

Not at all. In the last episode he and Sabine are talking about the defeat of the Emperor and the victory of the Rebellion. That was the real thing for his sacrifice, to remove an important character in command of the Imperial Army during a war. Thrawn is a villain in Rebels, but the main point for them was to defeat the Empire as it happened.

[@Haegemon]

@@johno1544 To me, people expects something from Thrawn that he isn't. He is calculative but not menacing or in other words his calculations make him menacing because he can fail many moves but succed on the final result , as he did in the show. He left the planet and migrated the witches., he will use the magic power of the newly stablished Dathomir and also recall the command of the Imperial Remnant. And I hope he recalls the Chiss also, which are the ones he only really cares.

[@LAvision]

Insane that the writers thought they could just brush over that. What a bunch of morons.

[@Trewq79]

I'm glad Alex has grown to become a loved critic. I remember initially, people used to think he was the "hipster" who hated most everything. But now, he seems to be the only one who can filter out "emotion" and "nostalgia", and just look at the quality of the work.

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

i never see it i see it as he's a half and half. I think its the people watching this just loves to be negative. he does say he likes some things and some things not. It's okay to like something even if people hate it. I don't know why people get so heated when alex says he likes a little bit of this episode and people were hoping he would hate everything.

[@Triforcebro]

People still think he's constantly negative. The ones fan girling him in the comments are just happy someone on screen is shitting on the show.

[@AussieDadAndrew]

He's the best thing about the channel

[@ohsnapsonbro4260]

It's a mediocre show.......joe is a fanboy. It's good to have someone next to him that doesn't drool all over the IP alone.

[@One.Zero.One101]

My views perfectly align with Alex. Most of Hollyweird today is content padding to fill out the streaming services. The only shows I liked recently are House of the Dragon, Last of Us, and Andor. Alex is not being too negative, he's being realistic. Majority of people have low standards and they get triggered when you point that out.

[@BTML498]

Alex, please don't ever change. You're always the one saying what needs to be said and I greatly appreciate it.

[@francescofioroni70]

We're different. I hope he change with that limited close mentality he has

[@TheExecutorr]

Absolutely. I don't always agree with him, but I'm always glad he raises his points.

[@HopePrevails4Life]

Times like these I’m always thankful for Alex’s brutal honesty and keeping it real!

[@daviddetaeye378]

He is to critical. Did he liked Loki season 1? One off the worst series

[@killerinstinct9954]

@@daviddetaeye378if I remember correctly, whenever Alex criticized Loki S1 joe always shut him down because he liked it

[@Small-Chap]

@@killerinstinct9954 preach

[@goofball1_134]

The thing mass audiences don't get is that 90% of shows are terrible. And so when AJs crew review 100 shows a year Alex is going to most likely and rightfully shit on 90 out of 100 of them. They review so many shows that they probably have seen the same storylines x100 times over you start to go mad and everything becomes bad. Also a lot of people still don't understand that 5/10 score is avg not 7.

[@zerohopf]

except when he give shit takes like saying that armored core 6 has no story lol, what a dumbass

[@MrJoedog55]

Such a good balance to have someone like Alex to keep it real for fans. Its nice to have the fanboy, critical fan, and casual viewer.

[@imperator7136]

Thats exactly why I love these reviews. Alex is more critical, Angry Joe is more lenient, and OJ is somewhere in the middle

[@Sirtobiwan1988]

true that's why I'm here they are a very good set of critics

[@Triforcebro]

Every review needs an angry old man

[@xUseTheForks]

Alex just hates everything so I can't take anything he says seriously ever

[@ppsarrakis]

@@xUseTheForks we heard ya the first time and i dont think thats true at all..

[@kamilsawicki1931]

Thank you Alex for being a voice of reason. Just simply - thank you

[@ComicBookBob]

Sabine was more interesting without the force. The fact she could fight with a saber without the force was a testament to how badass the Mandalorians as a people and society.

[@kurtschaaf2165]

Why they gotta try and make everyone a Jedi now a days

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@kurtschaaf2165it’s like the childish idea of “well mandos are cool, and so are Jedi. If I put them together it’s EXTRA COOL!!!!”

[@LAvision]

I don't mind her having force powers, but just rushing her to force push without any real training or showing progress is stupid.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@LAvisionI do. She is already nigh invulnerable with her armor. Make her a too tier Jedi and she is just op

[@ComicBookBob]

@@LAvision The whole run with the character in this show has be stupid. Alex hit the nail on the head, Sabine in Asoka is awful. Ezra, who started out bland as hell, has become the second most interesting character on the show next to Baylan.

[@FozziBearEndor]

I totally agree with Alex assessment of the show. What I like about Alex...he doesn't pull any punches, and tells it like its is. Much respect.

[@firstlast9846]

I genuinely - for the life of me - don’t understand what’s got people gushing about the series?? Like “True Detective” is a show I can’t really get into - BUT I can still see the writing is damn strong and characters well fleshed out from just the pilot - but I watch this and it’s just *constant* examples of bad writing - and people lose their minds over it?

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@firstlast9846it’s anakin appearing.

[@blackwolf4653]

Alex is the man

[@FozziBearEndor]

@@firstlast9846 In my opinion, it come down to being a fan of film making. When your a fan of film you can't turn your brain off to inferior writing.

[@zachrohler1047]

​@@edwardrichtofen8530"he vadered" lmao

[@curian1286]

🤣🤣🤣 Sabine's journey into becoming a jedi was about the equivalent of a McDonald's shift lead reading a self-help book, taking some Zoomba classes, and the next day being placed on the board of directors...(I'm not saying CEO because she'd have to take the position from Rey "Skywalker") 🤣🤣🤣

[@snakefeathers326]

Thank god Alex is in these reviews to actually say what everyone else is thinking!!

[@achaudhari101]

He's not exactly the biggest fan of SW though.

[@chalmers1984]

@@achaudhari101 who is?

[@dvader518]

That the show is good?

[@daEasyDM]

He didn’t even watch rebels to be fair

[@chaserseven2886]

Don’t speak for everyone please

[@54tisfaction]

Like every episode, this show has no stakes. Everything that is supposed to give some suspense is clearly not a problem for the "heroes". We know they'll be fine. We just have to accept that Filoni has written just another animated show for kids. That happends to be live action.

[@fernandohernandez8373]

So you haven't seen rebels? I think ahsoka does have pretty low stakes but as a setup season that's normal to me, I think even if the show has low-stakes it's still entertaining, but if you think any of the animated shows have low-stakes then you haven't seen the animated shows

[@54tisfaction]

@@fernandohernandez8373 Indeed, I haven't seen any of the animated shows. So I guess you have to, to find any value in this show. And no show should have a "setup season", the first season is your shot at selling the show so you better make it a good one. A setup first episode is fine.

[@mattcgw]

Clone wars season 4 is soooooooo violent! Lots of headshots!

[@jasonmedina2153]

@@fernandohernandez8373I have seen the animated shows, and the stakes aren’t all that. There are key episodes and in most of those you can feel the stakes. But in particular Rebels doesn’t have almost any stakes, it’s much more kid friendly and has low stakes unless, again, it’s a key episode and even then it’s not always apparent

[@fernandohernandez8373]

@@jasonmedina2153 so there are stakes stop making excuses

[@yofetv]

Agree 1000% with Alex it’s to bring her back. Morgan looked so badass with this new power only to kill her right away. Sweeeeet

[@vladimirristovski7671]

The season can be explained with Baylan Skoll quote: I miss the idea of it but not the truth. Which is why i like and not really. I wish the episodes are longer so we can get stuff answered not leaving for next season, baits, cliffhangers and so on. To get some exposition, better dialoge so the visuals can shine even more.

[@LizardSpork]

The image of water will not quench an man dying of thirst. Good idea and solid promise unfulfilled is more maddening than their complete absence.

[@nobody2996]

The show is padded to high hell with meaningless fluff and dead air, it's a movie stretched out to eight episodes; making it longer wouldn't answer more questions because you're not getting any answers by design, not because they didn't have the time to do it justice. The writers know they can say nothing and allude to greater ideas to bait people into the next season.

[@quiett6191]

The episodes are of sufficent length, the problem was the excessive padding that took up too much space.

[@johno1544]

Ray was so great in this he totally stole any scene he was in.

[@Haegemon]

C'mon ... The simple existence of the serialized concept is based on the clifthanger. In the past a viewer was left with a "to be continued" or a hype question for the next episode. You don't like clifthangers, then watch movies.

[@bakashinji]

Should’ve been called “A Statue” because she just stands there looking uninterested in anything and everything happening around her

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Ahsoka could be removed from the entire series and the plot wouldn't change other than having the robot now train sabine

[@karrimgyver]

My biggest issue from mandalorian to here, is how Ahsoka wields her sabers hilt the curve wrong way. (And I don't mean backwards like she often does too, that's even worse but the lore supports it.) Count Dooku also used curved hilt, because it makes dueling easier, but he did it right. In real life this is also true, because of 2 things. Leverage and angle of you wrist. Also because of the curve the tip of the sword reachest top speed bit faster than doing it curved like Ahsoka does. It's immoral and makes me sad

[@Ackalan]

This episode should have been called "But it didn't matter". 1. Thrawn is leaving, knowing the "heroes" are coming, but it didn't matter, the "heroes" moved with the speed of a calm stroll. 2. Thrawn was packed up and ready to leave from the beginning, but it didn't matter, he stayed anyway so the heroes could catch up. 3. Thrawns attempts to stall didn't matter, it only kept him on the planet long enough for the "heroes" to reach him. 4. The "heroes" ship got shot down on top of their snail caravan, but it didn't matter, they just lift it with the force. 5. Esra knew the base was well defended by the ships weapons, but it didn't matter, they just went straight to it anyway because... now they are more than one? What? 6. The main doors are closed, but it doesn't matter, they just open them with the force. It's no obstacle what so ever. 7. The storm troopers surrounded the "heroes" but it didn't matter, they didn't shoot anyway. 8. The dead troopers came back to life, but it didn't matter, the "heroes" kept them at bay by closing the doors. 9. Sabine had no force powers, but it didn't matter, when she needed them, she had force powers. 10. The tower is at least a few hundred meters tall, which they scaled by using the STAIRS but it didn't matter, it took no time or effort. 11. A Nightsister went down to stall the "heroes" but it didn't matter, 2/3 just walked around her, and Ashoka were delayed quite literally a single minute by the fight. 12. Esra couldn't make the jump, he, a full trained Jedi, can't get more than half way across, but it didn't matter, Sabine threw him the rest of the way. 13. Thrawn start bombarding the tower, but it didn't matter, the "heroes" simply jump off. 14. The "heroes" ship had been damaged and disabled twice in a row, then had an uncontrolled crash straight into the ground, with little to no repairs in between, but it didn't matter, it saved the "heroes" anyway. 15. The "heroes" ship was straight in the path of the enemy bombardment, but it didn't matter, everyone were fine. 16. Esra needed Sabine on the enemy ship, but it didn't matter, she left him on it, but it didn't matter, he was fine anyway. No, but a 7/10, seems legit. It's a 4/10 at most.

[@MusicSkeletonKeys]

Star Wars has been generally navigated in this way though since the OT. What about the Battle of Hoth makes sense? Or the open exhaust ports on the Death Star?

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

This ignores all the things that DID matter, like all the stalling was needed cause the heroes were such a powerful force

[@natediaz1863]

Im glad Alex is here. I wouldnt watch these without him.

[@Imperialbbuilding]

I'm sorry but this show was fucking weak. Slightly better than obi wan.. but that was fucking terrible

[@CoolSmoovie]

I love Joe and his reviews, but his opinions on movies and TV shows are straight trash😂

[@JackEverton101]

I’m also kind of irritated how he keeps bringing up the comment section and the dissenting opinions… He keeps doing it and it makes me feel like he’s incredibly insecure

[@RM-rh3mz]

Same

[@TpDgreat]

@@CoolSmoovie and dont forget he sometimes change his reviews on other shows after watching the whole series 😂

[@samss356]

Couldn’t agree more with Alex, thank you for representing us 🤝🏻

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

He flat out speaks the truth.

[@Lynxwire]

Alex is almost always negative, so if half the shows are bad, he is right half the time. But good to see it balance out when Joe give too much credit. This season of Ahsoka was bad, the last 2 episodes was a snorefest. Horrible fights and plot too predictable with so much wasted time in between. I saw all of the Clone Wars/Rebels essential episodes playlist that Disney+ had made for Ahsoka and this actually felt like a step down from the Clone Wars/Rebels episodes. There was more interesting fights and story telling in the animated kids show.

[@Triforcebro]

You, representing you.

[@gorcsauce696]

Cringe

[@cyberius6]

@@Triforcebro Nerdrotic fans poored in and flooded the comment section, lmao Wonderful bunch lol

[@richrod0122]

Thank you, Alex not sure how this episode was rated high. It felt rushed and man the zombies was so bad these lightsabers do absolutely no damage.

[@7jmurray]

Alex holding it up as usual, cheers guys

[@WillS724]

I think Filoni pulled a jedi mind trick on us...a lackluster story and tricked us into thinking whole season was great by using cameos n easter eggs. Was just ok

[@zachrohler1047]

Key jangle

[@WillS724]

@@zachrohler1047 lol yep

[@johnrodriguez2198]

Not even ok. Was full of plot holes. Doesn't compare to Andor

[@aytony4090]

A famous man with a long eldritch body that loves to Maul always comes mind at about this point.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@aytony4090 do you speak of the long man?

[@PrimeG1984]

Honestly after the "season finale" this as a whole would rate as a 4/10, agree with Alex. In fact I'd go as far as a 3/10. Thrawn doesn't feel like a threat but also doesn't have that imposing presence to him as he did in Rebels and the books. Also, why is Sabine all of a sudden like Rey where she instantly is using the force at a high level with minimal training? I don't even recall in Rebels if it's ever mentioned that she was force sensitive, I didn't understand that angle from the beginning of the show. As for the "not being able to show blood" I don't really mind that because it is noted in one of the older books that when you are cut by a lightsaber your blood is immediately evaporated and dries up because of the heat the blade produces. Overall I just feel like they are watering things down to make it easier on casual audiences which is unfortunate.

[@garyjones7721]

Star Wars really need Alex as a script doctor/editor to make Thrawns tactics make sense

[@dvader518]

They already make sense. Why need a script Doctor?

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@dvader518they don’t. Why not send a giant force to obliterate his enemies than sending a bunch of small forces? Why hasn’t he killed Ezra in TEN YEARS? You know the guy who has fouled his plan before.

[@dvader518]

@@edwardrichtofen8530 Obviously, because he didn't see him as a threat, plus he wanted to focus on bigger things. Also, quantity does not equal quality. The Empire had superior numbers and still lost.

[@DerKopfsammler666]

@@edwardrichtofen8530 Because he stated in the previous episodes that it was not his objective, he just wanted to return to the galaxy disregarding if Ezra & Co. were alive or not. Even though killing them would be an added bonus, all he needed was to buy himself some time to fulfill his objectives, which he did. Also he has limited resources, not a massive army, and he surely might need those limited resources elsewhere against a certain New Republic later on...

[@LAvision]

The idea that Thrawn doesn’t see Ezra as a threat is hilariously stupid.

[@dragonpaulz_]

Marrok is the perfect representation of this show as a whole. Interesting design and a lot of potential that can have any amount of interesting directions to take him, and then he gets casually killed and turns out was just a bunch of nothing gas the entire time

[@aytony4090]

Despite my better judgement I bought into the theory it was going to be Ezra or some surprise cameo in the end. However when he literally exploded into fart gas I think I cracked and just started wheezing. This show has to be some money laundering scheme.

[@Small-Chap]

It's the Disney formula. Just little hints for fans. And then give them nothing cause Disney plus shows mean NOTHING! And then you get the movies where the writing is shit also. Disney bought all these IPs and mishandled them thinking "they will eat this shit up anyway cause of the brand" no Disney cannot make movies anymore and they definitely can't make TV shows (sorry only Andor is the only time I felt there is a strong vision and capable showrunner behind it)

[@divinitygaming8673]

I had even forgotten that was his name! xD

[@WeMissDimebag]

The thing is, when Marrok was nothing but a hint at a cool idea, it was fine. He wasn’t important. Them completely omitting Baylan’s quest is not a small thing. Nor is it small that Sabine faces NO CONSEQUENCES for what she did. Ahsoka and Ezra don’t even question her, they’re just immediately cool with it. Those 2 things are unforgivably bad. The 2 biggest character arcs of the show (cause Ahsoka doesn’t really have one) are just skipped over. It’s bad. I still think everything leading to episode 7 & 8 was really good. But they completely botched the payoffs.

[@Mate397]

Disney today is the same.

[@jamieopthof6940]

The shot of the night troopers running up stairs and one falling down had me in tears. It was so laughably bad that they left it in.

[@nascr7_47]

isn’t that the history of the storm trooper tho looking goofy?

[@OKMBVideos]

@@nascr7_47 There's exactly one time in live-action Star Wars prior to Disney buy-out where the Stormtroopers looked goofy, and it was when a tall one bonked his head on a doorway. In ESB, they were depicted as competent, at least off-screen, and in ROTJ, they were shown to be more than a match for the Rebels before the Ewoks showed up (and they were still doing a good amount of damage, prior to the Shield Generator being blown up). It's only after the Disney buy-out, that Stormtroopers have been shown to be generally incompetent. Really saps away from the threat factor when the main antagonistic force is a bunch of bumbling fools that pose absolutely zero threat to the protagonists in any meaningful way.

[@nascr7_47]

@@OKMBVideos im sorry but they all look goofy af in the original trilogy

[@sethcoleman6418]

They are zombies. You expect them to have good balance. lol

[@OKMBVideos]

@sethcoleman6418 so they're coordinated enough to shoot a blaster and simultaneously not coordinated enough to be able to avoid tripping and falling? Are they only zombies when the story needs them to be zombies?

[@phammerable]

My biggest problem with the series is the action choreography. The fight scenes, especially with blaster deflections and the duels don’t live up to what we’ve seen in the past. When Ahsoka, Sabine and Ezra are fighting off the storm troopers, there’s practically no blaster shots being fired, and the blocking/deflecting isn’t believable. It’s ~30 troopers vs 3 people and it’s as if they’re taking turns shooting

[@One.Zero.One101]

I think the action in Episode 8 is good but the action in Episode 7 is really bad. Ezra should be dead without a lightsaber to deflect the blasters. Sabine should be dead if someone aimed neck-high. The stormtroopers are so polite to stop shooting.

[@johnimusprime1979]

I even saw Ahsoka block one blaster shot that didn't even happen. That's disappointing, from a choreography perspective....

[@theMyouknow]

The more realism you add the better the scene, like they would pepper shots and they would whirl and twirl but i guess the actresses had a broken nail and cant do it, everything is served on a platter today, they dont have to emerge themselves deeply and train themselves accordingly.

[@jessvex]

Those scenes were laughable and corny af!

[@veeclash4157]

The problem is that Rosario Dawson twirls lightsabers about as fast as your granny and she’s front and center in this scene. It’s either a skill issue, bad choreography or both.

[@Sangth123]

How did Ezra escape the Chimaera undetected? Sabine barely lifted a saber with the Force, how did she Force push Ezra an extra twenty feet? Why did Elsbeth let Sabine and Ezra pass her when she was explicitly told to delay them? Why did stormtroopers take turns firing their blasters? I can keep going.

[@nworder4life]

If Morgan turned her back on Ahsoka she'd be dead.

[@rapzid3536]

That was more like 20 meters.

[@KojiCT]

Many scenes could have been so much better

[@Bruh-si6ri]

Why were they slowly flying atop the ground when they were racing against time to get to thrawn

[@Bruh-si6ri]

Also didn’t shin hatti get on the imperial transport to get back. So why is she not with thrawn

[@sebastianlea6362]

Alex, thank you. Thank you for being objective and saying truth. The joe’s I respect your opinion but I can’t help but think you have an eye on what people think rather than say what you believe. No hate at all.

[@PaintCelestine]

The moment we spent like 5-10 minutes watching morgan get powered up, was the moment i felt a wave of dread about this season finale.

[@Jarke]

I’m glad I’m not the only one I was literally getting upset. I paused the ep and was like we got barely any time and they are seriously wasting time.

[@Chris-gw2xg]

That part could have been the ending of Ep7 to build up for what‘s next…

[@55rz55]

Andor managed to make me genuinely scared of everyday normal stormtroopers, Ahsoka managed to make me genuinely laugh at the stupidity and incompetence of the biggest baddie called Thrawn. It's a skill issue, Filoni sucks

[@chrisorr3919]

A single tie fighter in andor was pretty terrifying. But you’re right about the stormtroopers too. I enjoyed Ahsoka overall but a few issues for sure.

[@Bfrd25]

I don't know if it's fair to Filoni to put it all on him. The series was fantastic up until he had to connect it to some shitty devised shared universe finale.

[@55rz55]

@@Bfrd25 I think it is fair, he is the big boss for these shows. Either he didn't set the right standard for writing, screen writing, and directing for it or this IS his standard, which is pretty bad or at least pretty mid.

[@bennparker2259]

Filoni doesn’t suck. He just didn’t make a very good show

[@bobbyfischer9927]

Then don’t watch. Nobody is forcing you.

[@nobbynobbs8182]

What pissed me off the most was that they could charge through a rain of turbolasers. Turbolasers can literally glass the surface of a planet, but here they were extremely underpowered

[@356z]

The problem I had for this episode is that I never felt on edge for the characters. I knew what was gonna happen. The plot armor just reminded me of the battle at Winterfell.

[@hunternicholson9953]

They should have had a small battalion of ships come with the whales, yeah pretty unbelievable but you could have had some fights with stakes here at the end

[@purefoldnz3070]

the plot armor was even worse than the battle of Winterfell. No one got hurt or even a bruise after 100 turbolasers shooting right at them.

[@ThatAsianKid32]

Ironically, I was on edge for Thrawn. I was already disappointed how badly he was neutered, but was getting ready to rage if his escape was stopped by the power of team friendship.

[@LizardSpork]

They failed to learn the lesson from Andor: how to have stakes in a show where the fate of the main characters are already well known - by making you care about the people next to them whose fate aren't.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Because characters are not selling the emotion. To use a wrestling analogy, when someone punches you, you sell the pain of the punch. These characters have a "I don't care, whatever" attitude to the potential death of billions of people. They are not distraught, they are not remorseful, they are not guilt-ridden. That's why the stakes feel so low. If the characters don't care then why should we?

[@dfmosDOS]

Is it only me or does the fight choreography feel more like dance choreography? I just don't believe the fighting when I see it 😕 especially Ahsoka fights (majorette dancer)

[@AderoTech]

Yes! It felt like a rehearsal.

[@firstlast9846]

No it just feels plain terrible.. Ahsoka lazily flailing her lightsabers in the dungeon scene - followed by her smirking - just ruined all tension it had.

[@GettingWorse]

The only person that fought with any grace and skill was Morgan Elsbeth, given her father trained under Bruce Lee, I wasn't surprised by that, but she was totally wasted in this series, hers is the only interesting character beside Baylan.

[@countof3everybodyOD]

@@firstlast9846see that’s what she would do in a cartoon, but she would also flip around a bunch, and she would smirk AFTER she had beat some ass

[@blackwolf4653]

Plus their lightsabers looked like baseball bats man. Even the Sequels made the Lightsabers look way better and the way they would kill someone.

[@MayDayEXE]

I literally had the same exact thought about Ezra and Sabine while watching that Morgan fight... Like, Thrawn just told you "let no one through" and the first thing she does is let Ezra and Sabine just slowly walk right by and do nothing to stop them. You could maybe say she was no longer focused on what Thrawn wanted and was just focusing on her rematch with Ahsoka, but not once has she been shown to have a personal grudge against Ahsoka, and not once has she been shown to have any animosity toward Thrawn to want to completely disobey his orders, so the whole scene just reads as bad writing. Easy fix, just have all three engage Morgan, and while fighting, Ahsoka distracts her by pressing her attack just long enough for Ezra and Sabine to break for the Star Destroyer. Instead, they opted to go for the stupid option of having them literally just walk right by while loudly discussing their plan with Ahsoka. Love the show overall, but moments like that, that could have been very easily done well, just have to be called out for the weak writing that they are. Morgan has done all this work to get Thrawn back (is it even explained why she wants him back so bad in the first place?), you can't just have her immediately abandon all of that and potentially ruin all of her hard work by just letting them walk by and have viewers buy it no questions asked...i mean, Ezra is the whole reason Thrawn ended up there in the first place, letting him onto that Star Destroyer FOR FREE is probably the worst decision she could make if she really wants her plans to succeed. Bad writing.

[@Joellllllllll]

I’m annoyed they didn’t actually explore the mystery with Baylen. They drew this out WAY longer than necessary.

[@mrcat3493]

I like the way that Baylan was standing on the Argonoth and staring off into Mordor.

[@AndreNitroX]

Exactly, but now we know it has to do with the morris gods

[@Wasattsi]

It would’ve been fine had we known that Baylan’s story would eventually continue, but with the heartbreaking passing of Ray Stevenson, now nobody knows how they’ll do it. Not their fault.

[@Longshanks1690]

I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem what he was seeking was only alluded to. The problem is they didn’t really flesh out _why_ he wants it for his character and, more crucially, that Stevenson died so we’ll likely never find out now.

[@watchmesquatch]

Uhhmm. It's literally going to be continued. Don't be a moron. 😂 acting like they can't recast Baylon.

[@bnealerc]

Alex is SO right here. OJ and AJ saying "this episode was good but a bad ending" is just the same as when someone says "well at least I only got 1 black eye today. At least they're trying" in an abusive relationship. The writing in so many levels was just awful and fans should expect more.

[@mysticstrikeforce5957]

who says i only 1 black eye, at least they are trying?. I think its just "At least they were trying."

[@Soniq_YT]

That analogy made about as much sense as this episode.. Thrawn must have wrote that for you…

[@ohsnapsonbro4260]

Episode wasn't even good.....those zombies are some bs. 🤣 The most inconsistent zombies ever

[@chaseduvernay1056]

I’m with Alex on this one. Started off strong, then The writing fell flat by the end lol.

[@Mate397]

No it fucking didn't. The writing was garbage from start to finish.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

It was flat the entire time. It was propped up by hope and nostalgia early on for "what could be" and fans filled in the writers holes in their heads. Near the end though it's very hard to fan write in thrawn sending 2 tie fighters after 3 Jedi then berating their leader when he fucked up

[@jebblottin92]

Everytime they said the episodes needed to be longer, I reflectively thought to myself, "No they need to cut out and shorten the unnecessary shots." I'm actually curious if someone was to take this show and cut it down by removing the long shots, then how much run time would there actually be of something happening on screen.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

It started off terrible, got slightly less terrible, then returned to being absolutely terrible.

[@murdockfiles9406]

The show's dialogue (and acting) was flat at the start though.

[@Flowstate19]

alex is god tier, AJ trained him well in the darkside, angry joe show is in solid hands

[@jakesay03]

I honestly kinda wish on alexs quickfire reviews he'd give the same level of passion as he does in these people would watch them more if so. This shit was more entertaining than the entirety of Ashoka

[@inboundxcx]

Alex has always been the goat in these videos. Angry joe usually brings the more casual perspective despite not being one, regardless you guys bring unique dialogue and have a fun chemistry

[@kato093]

With his brain damage making him forget, he is a casual. As for games, he plays as a casual mobile gamer that plays candy crush on the toilet, trying a console game.

[@SpadeApeiron]

"I like it but it hate it" - Maximum % of Starfield non-fanboys 1:50

[@G0ldfishOnFyre]

Yikes with this one

[@razt3757]

Ok, the zombies couldn't use blasters, whatever. But the funniest thing about the them is that they couldn't even bite the enemies because they were wearing helmets, and the writers still made them walk towards the enemies slowly as if they were any danger up close lol

[@MinersLoveGames]

This series fell into the same trap as Mando Season 3, where the plot drags along for five or six episodes, only for the last two or three to have everything important happen. Contrast that to Andor, where a new arc was happening like every three episodes and things were constantly changing. God, Andor is so good.

[@NoMansLand98]

I'm starting to think Alex has the best views on these reviews. I always seem to agree with him. Everyone is loving this show where as I still dont think it was great...

[@fernandohernandez8373]

Ya I disagree, idc if people hate it to me its amazing

[@firstlast9846]

I don’t see the hype at all.. these characters are wooden and boring. The dialogue is bad. Filoni’s in love with the past and his characters. The writing is atrocious. But - hey - Anakin showed up so it gets 5 stars I guess.

[@Autobotmatt428]

Like he said after Obi Wan "We are Fcked! Star Wars is Fcked Right Now!"

[@LizardSpork]

I'm with Alex. I have active disdain for shows that rely on nostalgia and fan theories to mask their own writing inadequacies.

[@InfernaLuck156]

I thought it was good, the one where Anakin showed up properly and fought Ahsoka being the high point. It's a solid 7.5/10 Slow start but then it picked up BIG TIME half way through Enjoyable and perfectly watchable show Not the BEST ever but still good and not bad or mediocre by ANY means at all.

[@ChadWinters]

I liked the sense of urgency when they were riding the mechanical snails to race to stop Thrawn. I mean if there was some reason given why the snails were necessary… but they could have just left the noncombatant snails behind, got on the Jedi ship and been there 2 days ahead of the deadline

[@djcochrane]

I agree with Alex, but even the fighting, when they were deflecting bolts, it looked like they were just swatting air.

[@Henrik.S8]

Exactly 😄

[@johnsonro91]

I was expecting Baylan to say “The beacons of Minas Tirith! The beacons are lite. Gondor calls for aide”

[@JOK3RSON]

Sooo I gotta point out biggest flaw in Thrawns plan was .. WHY bring the ring to the planet surface when you could have taken the Star Destroyer up to the RING!! and therefore leaving Ahsoka and gang stranded on the planet!!

[@jokester3076]

the Chimaera’s propulsion systems where to damaged to make it into orbit on its own, Filoni should’ve added a line to that effect.

[@nickhartung6941]

It's just sad how they did Thrawn. Him spending half his army to go and die just to stall the good guys long enough for him to get away is not some big brain move. Nothing Thrawn did showed how smart he is and why his return is a major threat.

[@amransom26]

….What else would he have done though? His primary objective is getting the hell out of there. He can’t do that if Ahsoka reaches his ship… it would be stupid if he decided to take them head on. He said himself, he’s underestimated the Jedi before, “never again.” Underestimating Jedi and the Force is what sent him to exile. There are thousands of other Imperials out there, that was the whole fear of Thrawn escaping. He’s the only one that can pull the remnants together into a formidable force again. Losing troops now is a small price to pay to get the heck out of that galaxy and get to the Imperials waiting out there.

[@zeroiceice008]

Luke could defeat thrawn , based on his true power frrom the mando episodes, thrawn is a softie, all they care about are sequels and merch the disney blueprint

[@upinsmoke06]

​@@amransom26Alex answers that. He could have destroyed that space elevator instead of what he did now

[@ryteer]

What else? The moment they DOWNED the Jedi Shuttle, and the moment you packed the cargo - SHOOT THE TOWER. Just destry it, and that's it. The good guys can't fly. Game over for them. @@amransom26

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

​@@amransom26destroy the space elevator as a first step. Not afer sacrificing half your troops lol. This was actually talked about in this review.

[@Land967]

I was fully expecting an extended episode and some actual development on Baylin's + his apprentice's storyline but they were just completely sidelined..

[@Amplifymagic]

Stay tuned for season 2 and make sure you’re subscribed to Disney+!

[@watchmesquatch]

Because it's going to be continued. Not rocket science, bud.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@watchmesquatchcontinued…in like 2 years. Great. Glad they couldn’t even give us basic character motivations.

[@fernandohernandez8373]

​@@edwardrichtofen8530I don't know why people are surprised, watching episode 7 I could tell they weren't going to have any screen time in the final episode, because most people saw episode 7 as pointless filler fighting but I thought it as the final battle between these characters for this season,

[@citizen3000]

@@watchmesquatchdick riding behaviour. The show is just very badly written.

[@ViralKiller]

I remember no one liked Alex when he first joined, and now he's considered top reviewer for telling the truth

[@oxideactual1018]

A lot of people ditched this channel when Alex stepped in actually.

[@MegaAwesomeMan]

Finally Alex is getting the recognition he deserves in the comments

[@JackEverton101]

Took a while, usually everyone’s angry when he gives his honest (and usually right) opinion and they say he just doesn’t like anything

[@RM-rh3mz]

Alex GOAT

[@marc4282]

Alex has always been getting the recognition lol what most of the movie or tv reviews that joe has dropped has most of the chat agreeing w Alex's opinions

[@Raul_Menendez]

Nah. Boi is depressed party pooper.

[@edwardrichtofen8530]

@@Raul_Menendezno, he has standards and won’t clap cause “he vadered!!!”.

[@RoguePhotonic]

They missed how much they made Sabine an A level jedi by the end. Not just the push but when she helps Ahsoka she shoots a storm trooper while twirling her light saber behind her back and blocks 3 more shots without even looking.

[@atfbproductions7458]

Oh wow what a whirly twirly image to behold too bad it lacks any substance🤣 seriously is that all it takes to win you over lol I always liked Sabine on the rebel show but for some reason from episode 1 of this live-action version I have disliked and been absolutely annoyed by this character I think it comes down to the acting the writing and the direction, you know what aspect I liked about the character in Rebels? she wasn't force-sensitive, but I guess because the force is female now she has to be huh to make her at least somewhat competent even though she was more than competent before lol every time she's on screen in this live action show she just has this smug Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better type looking attitude. Man this show was almost parody level in some parts

[@RoguePhotonic]

​@@atfbproductions7458I was pointing out the absurdity of it. I hate Sabine in this show.

[@rickcas15rc]

You guys are spot on, this is written and directed like a live action cartoon. Falls very short on character development and plot, feels like were seeing story board moments but no logical writing to connect them...

[@troygoom2251]

For those who don’t know, when they are talking about the bird following her around, they meant following Asoka, not Sabine. Small mistake. Just didn’t want people to get confused.

[@JackEverton101]

Yeah the bird is supposedly her spirit animal or the daughter or goddess thing or whatever. honestly if you expect that to be paid off in any meaningful way later you’re out of your mind This is Disney… Where magic goes to die

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

@@JackEverton101 the bird is literally "the daughter" of the Mortis gods.

[@butchjohnson9736]

@@mr.meatsoup5639 It is beyond me how they expect general audiences to know this without any explanation.

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

@@butchjohnson9736 not everything needs to be explained.

[@Toliman.]

@@mr.meatsoup5639 The Bird/Owl is likely supposed to be Morai, Ahsoka's 'personal' Convor, a link to the World between Worlds. I think it's supposed to be Green though. There's also some mandalorian reference to Owls, probably because of the Witch/Night reference. Eh. If it's a Convor... in another galaxy, there's some questions that need to be answered. It's a bit like seeing a Porsche in Star Wars, or a Vespa Bike. The Convor Owl is a reference to Dave Filoni's Wife (a witch/SW writer), and is also linked to the Daughter, i.e. the Anthropomorphic representation of the Jedi / Light Side of the Force from TCW who dies and is reborn into Ahsoka. If the second season revolves around Mortis ... it's probably going to happen. They don't have anything else to do on the planet / galaxy other than to find the World Between Worlds entrance... and ... nothing. What Else do they Do. There's nothing happening in S1, S2 should be digesting the trash they set on fire. The problem of having Anakin show up, is that it's probably not Anakin. It's theoretically Abeloth, especially if they bring out Mortis/Father/Brother. Mortis, shouldn't come back. But, it's hard to know if they have run out of ideas, or they don't know why Abeloth is a terrible idea to introduce and kill off in a season. This also means they can recycle all of the EU books, they can bring out the Sith, they can bring out the Yuuzhan Vong, they can bring out ... Talking Animals or Ghost Pirates, Time traveling Doctors in Phone Booths, et al. The concept of Mortis is a trash fire, because why wouldn't you go and meet a Force God when you have a story problem. Need to defeat the Empire ? ask a God to help you. Stuck in a foreign galaxy without fuel, food or a map ? Force Gods.

[@zurc314]

I love star wars and I agree with Alex wholeheartedly

[@Henrik.S8]

Alex being the most reasonable and mature voice as usual. It bears repeating that he needs his own show, maybe a collaboration wth RLM?

[@Argornash]

I like him here where he adds a diverse opinion. Don't care so much when a whole room shares similar thoughts, which is why I watch Angry Joe most personally.

[@5FingerBallad]

I agree but No, we need Alex to stay here, if you want me to be real, I came to this because I related to Joe as a teenager, as for Alex; he’s become the true new face of The Angry Joe show’s critical side.

[@goldfishprime]

It really goes to show you need a smart writer to write a smart villain. Thrawn just seemed say he had a plan, but really didn't. He had his force withdraw last episode because they were ready to go, then decided to attack the heroes again because he needed more time or something. The zombie stormtroopers were cool but the action was tensionless. All in all, this season felt way too much like a setup for the movie or second season.

[@JCShadow0202]

It’s a shame bc Thrawn’s Rebel counterpart was arguably more intelligent despite having the SAME writer

[@Longshanks1690]

@@JCShadow0202If nothing else, this proves Filoni truly is George’s heir: He goes off the fucking deep end if he doesn’t have people around him to reel him in.

[@JCShadow0202]

@@Longshanks1690fr, gonna have to get Sam Witwer or Alex to be in the writing room with him; and maybe Andor’s writer to get some better dialogue

[@squattingheads]

he basically relied on the witches for everything.

[@watchmesquatch]

​@@squattingheadslike he does his troops in rebels? You big dumb. 😂

[@Tomreese130]

I really loved Filoni but man, he really dropped the ball here. I just rewatched Andor after I finished the finale and the two shows literally cannot even be compared. The writing in Andor is just so much better, both plotwise and dialogue. I care way more about the characters in that show, and there is actually a feeling of tension and direction. Eight episodes isn't enough, Andor's twelve was just enough time to flesh everything out. Ultimately the finale was so predictable and disappointing, and its a damn shame we won't get to see Ray Stevenson portray Baylon again. Only getting a 15 second scene with Baylon in the finale is down right insulting.

[@jakecahill7795]

Well said bro this is a fact

[@aytony4090]

The difference is Tony Gilroy and Co. are writing humans while Filoni writes cartoons. He cannot write a real character to save his life and after all these live action shows I'm sure he barely had a presence in the best parts of Clone Wars.

[@cyberius6]

What in star wars is on Andor lvl? Why are we comparing anything with Andor? Go 40 years in the past - you still won't be able to compare shit to Andor when it comes to star wars. Why is this a thing now? It makes no sense to do this. Andor is a thing on its own. Completely different.

[@veeclash4157]

Baylon was both the best acted and most intriguing character in the show. I can't believe that Filoni did him dirty in the season finale by only giving him 10 seconds of screen time with NO dialog!

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

​@@cyberius6i have not seen andor but from what i heard it has a good story and good character writing. I dont see why that cant tranfer over to other start wars content I dont think thats to much to ask.

[@caspergarcia804]

Thrawn had the same problem In rebels. - Thrawn fails Tharwn: Exactly as planned.

[@pain2573]

Did he fail? His goal was to get back to the galaxy and he did just that. From the start he was trying to slow down Ahsoka and the gang. Not killing them is not failing. It’d be a bonus to take out the only real threats to his reemergence.

[@JoeyXB]

Yea like Alex, I learned filoni is not the savior people hoped he would be

[@michaelkelsey219]

Dave Filoni seems like a guy that has great ideas but needs an adult in the room to help him

[@ccgod]

yep or just let him and Jon work on everything and allow them freedom to make things pg13 or even R.

[@anthonygordon9483]

I think its mainly how short the episodes are. I enjoyed the show. Just too many plot holes and too short. I would still prefer Dave or Jon over JJ Abrams

[@curian1286]

😂😂😂 It was very polite of the zombie death trooper to go from being a threat and throwing them around to pausing and waiting for Sabine to suddenly gain force powers. 😂😂😂

[@veeclash4157]

Girlbosses get the thickest plot armor in Disney Star Wars. The Force is Female and KK will never let you forget it!

[@ohsnapsonbro4260]

I like how inconsistent they acted.......like something from a power rangers episode

[@curian1286]

@veeclash4157 the zombie checked its male privilege 🤣

[@curian1286]

@ohsnapsonbro4260 yes! You're spot on with that!. Holy crap, they were basically putties haha

[@chrisdewulf5185]

Agreed! I was saying, just bite her already. Literally just holding and staring at her.

[@LunkvanTrunk]

The story was boring, the acting was mediocre, zero tension, and very uninspired. This was very forgettable for me. Even Thrawn was a joke; in the books, he is a genius strategy mastermind, but here he is portrayed as someone with common sense on his best days. Very disappointing.

[@Automaton237]

Okay then so you are saying Sabine almost getting eaten by a zombie the main characters not being able to kill zombies and having to run away as they're being overrun and Ahsoka almost getting killed when you seen the stormtroopers start to reanimate with the creepy music you didn't think that was a tense moment what does it take to make something a tense moment do they have to kill off all the main characters or have a bunch of jump-scares please tell me how they could have made the episode more tents.

[@deci594]

@@Automaton237no because the zombie storm troopers are unarmed and move slower. Why the hell would there be tension if there’s three people with lightsabers who can easily carve them into pieces. Where is the tension?? The zombies literally pose no risk to the main characters. This show is so garbage cannot believe people are defending this. Thrawn is supposed to be some menacing ultra giga brained dude and he can’t kill three people with the small army he has? This isn’t how you build a threat at all, this show just made him stupid.

[@Bruh-si6ri]

@@deci594they tryed to bite them with helmets on🤦‍♂️😂

[@Automaton237]

@@deci594 you completely avoided my other points and thrawn is still a tactical genius his plan wasn't to Focus on killing Ahsoka it was to distract her long enough so he can escape and his plan worked he escape and Ahsoka and Sabine are now stranded on a dangerous planet and you got to keep in mind he had very few troops and he was very smart with how he use them and his plans mainly failed because Balin abandon the battle and the rebels version of thrawn always fails because of that and the reason why he's not strong is because he is 70 years old now and for his age he is very healthy-looking which makes sense for thrawn and the voice actor looks like that too so that's the real life reason why he looks like that why go to the gym just to play a character that doesn't really do much aside from be a tactical genius that very rarely fights hand-to-hand and it's not like Disney ruined his character you can tell he cares about his soldiers just from his facial movements aside from the episode being a bit rushed the episode wasn't that bad the acting was pretty good and all around the episode was a Improvement compared to the rest of the Star Wars shows aside from Mandalorian season 1 2 and the other show I forgot its name and Sabine using the force wasn't that bad. And I know he did have a bunch of troops but those troops are going up against three Jedi and he learned not to underestimate Jedi especially three Jedi and one of them were trained by Anakin that's scary enough as it is

[@cineris2389]

@@deci594 Nothing has ever posed a risk to the main characters in Star Wars by this criteria. Not even Vader. Star Wars was never great at suspense, nor was it ever great at crafting a complex story. It was just an adventure that was pure fun and wonder (it never provided something sophisticated, it bumbles with its elements in all eras) . There's a reason Star wars comes in three major fanbases. Those who were kids when the OT came along like myself (who hate the movies that came after, those who were kids during the prequels, who hate the movies that came after, and fans of the new who were young when that aspect came to be. The only thing in new Star Wars that draws any of these folks in is the member berries that hint to their favorite aspect of the franchise and make them feel like a kid again. I always cringe when people go hard on modern Star Wars storytelling, why isn't it Game of thrones!!!.... Because it's made for F'n kids.....

[@DeadlierThanLag]

27:25 The issue isn't the length, the issue is that they didn't see that they neeed to flesh stuff out. So many of the episodes are dragged out when they could've used the time to develop their characters and make them real people. Probably without adding increasing the total amount of footage by a second (but making Thrawn competent would probably require some lengthening). Even if they had to make it longer, it's not like it was long to begin with.

[@zuriyel5368]

Yeah. The show is so bloated with nonsense. It's like having an open-world RPG with fetch-quests instead of the sidequests you have in Witcher 3.

[@dragonpaulz_]

Yea all these shows are incredibly wasteful and inefficient with how they use their time. The one exception is andor who in 1-2 episodes has more character development, substance, perspective, and tone than the entire show of ahsoka put together.

[@veeclash4157]

Yup my biggest disappointment in the show is Thrawn. He's a blithering idiot who hides it under a cool exterior. He's not at all menacing as a villain because he just makes mistake after mistake after mistake.

[@aytony4090]

I still can't believe it nearly took 3 episodes for them to figure out the damn sphere Ahsoka took from those ruins. It's actually insane how one could go into the editing room and manually place these scenes that have characters just staring or taking 5 minutes to say what can be done in 15 seconds.

[@curian1286]

Wait...what happened to the fighters that were shooting at Ahsoka's ship in ep 7? (The scene where she jumps from the ship and confronts Baylan)

[@Thaumaturge2251]

Tbh I like the actor that plays Thrawn, but the writing does not help. I have more of a vibe this this version of the character would stack it down the stairs, break his arms and only to stand up and go "ah yes, all part of my master plan to get to the lower levels more efficently." They couldn't give the guy 1 undisputed badass win, this guy is supposed to be dangerous as hell but no one has hardly been scratched in like 3 episodes apart from his own men.

[@Automaton237]

This video kind of annoys me literally thrawns plan was to distract the main characters he made that very clear when we first seen him in action and guess what in the end he won the battle and outplayed the main characters so that was his big brain moment

[@Thaumaturge2251]

@@Automaton237 Can you honestly say after seeing all that you've seen that Thrawn as he stands right now is someone that is a heavyweight villain that is believably going to win anything. Or someone that is just going to beat a load of trash but achieve nothing significant.

[@One.Zero.One101]

@@Automaton237 Thrawn lost every single battle. Thrawn escaped in spite of his tactics, not because of it. He is lucky to escape. Thrawn lost despite having TIE fighters, unkillable stormtroopers, dark jedi, night sisters, and Elsbeth. It's like Johnny English solving a case despite being the worst spy in the world.

[@geraldstevenson9781]

@Sh1ft3r1Pure luck

[@Automaton237]

@@One.Zero.One101 the only actual battle he lost was the first time we seen his troops in combat and he only failed that battle because one of his key components of the battle vanished he even pointed that out and ordered his troops to retreat and the Tie Fighter battle wasn't really a battle and what did you expect the TIE fighter pilots to do Tie fighters are known for missing a lot even in the old movies they weren't the best and they didn't expect the ship that they shot to randomly activate and the final battle his plan was to distract them as he wasted their time and kept his troops alive and in the and his plan worked they even got his personality right with him caring about his soldiers even asking Morgan elsbeth if they volunteered to sacrifice themself and reanimate and you have to keep in mind this is the rebels version of thrawn which is not as intelligent as the book version thrawn lost many battles in Rebels to random stuff happenin and that's the same here he didn't expect Balin to abandon his student and his Maine part of his plan was having him there and his troops were mainly Undead or old men and they were going up against Jedi and a Mandalorian Jedi so he couldn't really do much he doesn't have the resources of the Empire and most of his weapons are either outdated or Bailey usable so for what he had he was very intelligent.

[@Noughe]

The scene that irritated me the most was the fight between Morgan Elsbeth and Ahsoka at the top of the tower, they get surrounded by night troopers and then they just stand there watching and they're not even pointing their guns at her. The fight between the two is cool ngl but the things happening in the background it just dont make sense.

[@countof3everybodyOD]

Their fight was ok. Ahsoka should have beat that nobody’s butt.

[@batalorian7997]

Weapon discipline? You aren't supposed to aim your weapon when you have a friend in front of you. Not only was Morgan in the way, but the troopers had surrounded her and Ahsoka, meaning they would also aim at each other and possibly shoot each other.

[@anonymous-hz2un]

​@@batalorian7997 Filoni, is that you? 😂😂

[@albertjohnston1026]

@@batalorian7997 I think it was supposed to be implied that they were letting her have a fair fight so that Morgan could establish her dominance or whatever but it felt incredibly odd for Morgan's character. I never got the impression that she knew how to fight with a sword (or anything, really), and I _certainly_ never got the impression that she was the competitive type. That whole scene just felt really, really out of place for me. Like they forgot it was Morgan and thought it was the big dude when writing it.

[@Wasattsi]

1. If they opened fire they’d kill Morgan, as well as each other (crossfire). 2. Morgan either wins and Ahsoka dies, or Morgan loses and they just envelop and surround her Order 66 style, so they just let them fight. 3. It probably would’ve worked if Sabine didn’t stay, which forced the troopers to take cover.

[@theREALmistafu]

"did it stick landing" this was a hot burning mess crashing down killing everyone and anything in it's path since those studid droids waited 15 minutes to self destruct themselves.

[@GettingWorse]

I was beginning to think I was the only person who thought this series was crap, given its potential. Ever since Luke's appearance in Mando, seems like Favreau and Filoni's directives is just to cram in as many easter eggs and nostalgic bait instead of actual story telling. They put out so many threads and mcguffins that ultimately results in nothing because they can't finish their story properly.

[@matthewhubler3316]

Alex always saying exactly what I’m thinking!

[@aragorn8401001]

Joe's take about the episodes being too short and and not enough of them is completely braindead. The time has nothing to do with the episodes. If they made 10 to 12 episodes then you'd be getting 9 to 10 dogshit episodes.... it's 100% possible to make 8 good episodes if you had good writing.

[@RM-rh3mz]

You guys, especially Alex are breathes of fresh air.

[@lucifurrfluffington]

It would of been nice if Thrawn was always steps ahead of Ahsoka and her group, causing them to struggle to keep up. Then warp away and use Ezra to find the fleet that Syndulla was at and attack them showing his might and power. Leaving us with a cliffhanger.

[@G0ldfishOnFyre]

It’s funny you can find a better written alternatives in KZbin comments like this one And Sad.

[@lucifurrfluffington]

@@G0ldfishOnFyre I know right, I also seen so many fan made Star Wars videos that have amazing writing but sadly didn’t have the budget like Disney.

[@Corran51]

100% agree with Alex, as much as I want to love it and go with Joe. I do appreciate what they were going for and want to see more adult fan series, but please give more episodes that are longer length, more backstory, make the bad guys actually worthy opponents and filler for those who don't know the lore like us fans

[@rhysjarrand5112]

I bet Baylan is on the search for the World Between Worlds as he is looking for a way to break the cycle. This means his goal is to go back in time and break the cycle before it even starts. This is gonna be Ahsoka and Sabine's mission, to put a stop to his machinations. There will be no Abeloth, just as there will be no Yuzon Vong. Instead, we have the Grysks, who they are setting up to be the new big threat in place of the Vong.

[@SirClerihew]

The show is a mixture of embarrassing action scenes, long pauses, and terribly written dialogue. And barely anything happens.

[@firstlast9846]

*Thats not true* remember episode 2? Hera saw Ahsoka and they…. Stared at each other and smiled……. Or what about episode 4? When Ahsoka saw Sabine and they… smiled in silence for a minute.

[@cpasa798]

“Lord Vader, there are a Luke Skywalker and a Ben Kenobi in the planet that you were born, do you want us to investigate further?” “Nahhhhh”

[@Tadicuslegion78]

When the zombies popped up my first reaction was....Man I wish I was watching that kick ass episode of Clone Wars where General Grievous gets to decimate the Night Sisters and shred zombies like a badass

[@countof3everybodyOD]

The good guys should have been able to do that. They made them look weak

[@AndreNitroX]

Clone wars is god tier

[@Automaton237]

​@@countof3everybodyODwhat did you expect people were complaining that the main characters are never in actual Danger so they made a miscible zombies that had them running away and then Sabine almost got killed by a zombie

[@starlord157]

8 episodes doesn’t mean anything… 8 episodes with good writing and effectual story telling is more than enough. Most of the episodes were just standing around doing nothing . I bet the writers really didn’t have a cohesive overarching story they wanted to tell.

[@quiett6191]

And its been that way for a while now.

[@alexd4566]

Black Mirror can pull off a good story in one episode, not to mention the other amazing anthology series out there. Good filmmakers know how to compel audiences in a limited time span. Amount of episodes or time per episode really does not matter one bit.

[@One.Zero.One101]

🔖Obi-Wan and Ahsoka feel like movies that were stretched out to be 8 episodes. Very little plot happens in each episode. The episodes don't have a distinct identity to them and some episodes blur together. Compare this to The Expanse or Battlestar Galactica, you just mention "Bastille Day" and I immediately know what episode you're talking about. Episodes of Ahsoka feel like a collection of scenes from a chopped up movie.

[@quiett6191]

@@One.Zero.One101 YES!!! Disney could learn soo much from The Expanse. From what I've heard, that show had a GOAT tier writer's room. Strong leadership from the showrunner who understood why the book series was popular in the first place and chose to maintain the "spirit" of the source material even when their first network told him "nah, it doesn't matter". The book writers learning on the job to write for TV, and prepping other writers and cast members who were joining the project.

[@djJaXx101]

6/10 Personally I dislike all the movie logic moments: My top 4 movie logic moments would be: 1: Why would a normal, rational, human being with a functioning brain not change out of his storm trooper disguise before boarding a new republic ship, or at the very least remove his helmet. (Movie logic: because we can have an amazing moment when everyone points their guns at a storm trooper! and another amazing moment when he takes off his helmet!) 2: Three Jedi vs Evil Boss (Movie logic: Jedi can win this fight quickly and easily, lets make a lame excuse why only Ahsoka can take this fight) 3: Three Jedi Kill 20 stormtroopers, as soon as the last stormtrooper falls. All three turn around and face away from the dead. (Movie logic: it will look cooler if the dead start to rise and then they notice something and can look over their shoulders!) 4: A star destroyer cant hit 3 people? (Movie logic: Its ridiculous but who cares it looks cool)

[@Cheshak]

The older i get the more like Alex i become 😂 Thank you for the review, you spared me the necessesity to watch this series in full

[@Calidus7]

I just want more Shin Hati, Baylan unfortunately will most likely be written off offscreen. Pretty much the stuff with Anakin, Baylan and Shin I think was the most interesting in the whole season.

[@kingweb11]

Thrawn was held back by plot armor unfortunately. There's no way he could kill a main character(s) in season one. They needed to introduce more side characters that we got attached to and then have them get wiped by Thrawn. Hard to do that and everything they were doing in season 1 with only 8 episodes. This one should have been both longer episodes and more episodes as the start of a technically new series.

[@chakrazoo]

Sabine has needed her rocket pack more than a few times.....She coulda carried Ezra over and flew back to assist Ahsoka. Flying attack.

[@HelloMyNameIsZON3]

The way you can always tell how Alex feels instantly is amazing 😂

[@GretainS]

I need Alex to make his own channel. He has the best takes and doesn't sugarcoat things. It's a shame that AJ itnerrupts him (and OJ) so much

[@daviddetaeye378]

Fan boys liked. Does Alex likes anything. Andor has alot of flaws too.

[@Mate397]

Because AJ is a shameless shill and OJ is a loyal lapdog to him.

[@GenSphinx]

Except that he's wrong most of the time.

[@streetsiswatching9660]

Alex is the goat. His own channel would do numbers 📈

[@RayzaNC]

a channel dedicated to one man just hating life, sounds so fun.

[@antoniorico7166]

Alex is always the voice of reason here.

[@saturncrush]

Oh my gosh..I love Alex…on point as always.

[@Loveselfloveall1]

He doesn’t even know his own reasons

[@thejamsler]

Completely agree. The episode length, and the season length with these Star Wars shows are horrendous, I have no idea why they are restricting the length at this point. It can't be money...can it?

[@Macintosh1001]

So why is deflecting blaster bolts so unbelievable, when she already is able to block them with her arms and a wrist shield in Rebels? Deflecting blasters seem to be such a low skill considering younglings are able to do it, heck even Luke did it during his first lesson against a training drone, with no prior force/combat training. Making a big fuss over something so trivial.🤷‍♂️

[@seanmcquade8610]

Based comment

[@Automaton237]

there making a big deal about Sabine using the force but yet she had training in the rebels TV show and many years after the Rebels TV show and also realistically would Poppy Train with Ezra and Ahsoka to prepare for the battle and the force is known to activate when the main characters are in danger after 10 or so years you could warm up to the forest pretty fast after you quit training for a little bit and if I'm right one of her ancestors a ware a Mandalorian Jedi so Alex is just complaining about some pretty dumb stuff

[@dicedoom7162]

at least Alex is not blinded

[@watchmesquatch]

He's just a miserable loser. That's all. 😂

[@juicermcgooser3352]

this felt like the midseason break not a season finale

[@snarkamedes]

Re: the short seasons - it's like they're trying to emulate British tv shows/miniseries (Edge of Darkness, Luther, etc) but the writing's not tight enough to match the quality there. They're that used to writing long drawn out stuff with lots of filler episodes that they can't stop themselves from half-arsing it.

[@DANKUSH7]

The thing is the Rebels version of Thrawn is still far more menacing than he was portrayed in live action, I expected even more seriousness from him and it most certainly fell far short

[@elliotwatson3964]

I dont even laugh out loud at good comedys, but that force push from Sabine was the funniest shit I ever seen

[@shockercody999]

16:40 for those of you who don't know, that's a Rick and morty reference from season 6 24:56 im dying, im dying at this part. Joe is a fucking comedian and i love it.

[@original_caffeinator]

I think I looked at Thrawn's "defeats" differently. As far as this part of story goes, his goal is to escape exile, return to known space, & then attempt to consolidate remaining Imperials. With defeating the Jedi a secondary low priority, at least until he succeeded in escaping. Which he did. He even stated a few episodes ago about slowing Jedi down so they could cargo transfer. That's my take anyway. One of many, all equally valid.

[@jesserochon3103]

Yes when you think about it, Thrawn didn't really lose anything, not even time. He departed Peridia right after the cargo transfer was complete. Right on time.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Thrawn lost every single battle. Thrawn escaped in spite of his tactics, not because of it. He is lucky to escape. He lost despite having TIE fighters, zombie troopers, night sisters, dark jedi, and Elsbeth. It's like Johnny English solving a case despite being the worst spy in the world.

[@jesserochon3103]

@TomCruz54321 lost lost lost. Lost what exactly? What did he lose. He achieved quite literally everything he wanted to. He left for Dathamier right on time, unscathed. Meanwhile the heros were left stranded to die on Peridia. All this Thrawn lost crap is collasal tripe. Just absolute nonsense. There was nothing Thrawn lost except a couple tie fighters which still damaged Ahsokas ship enough (especially from the holdo maneuver) to delay our heros allowing Thrawn to escape.

[@filipmazur4763]

Thrawn strategy was quite dissapointing. Ezra shuttle scene did not make sense how did he escape? Thrawn wasn't phased one of his ships is just missing...

[@broman2277]

If I were part of the Ahsoka series, I would've brought on Timothy Zahn to help with the writing process for Thrawn. I would've also added dismemberment like that of the prequels and original movies. And I would've thrown in a new character to aid Ahsoka, say a "Bokken" Jedi, a descendant of Revan, so that way there can be another Jedi there besides making Sabine or trying to make Sabine a Jedi.

[@JoeNasr123]

Alex is TOTALLY RIGHT.