Ahsoka (Ep.1 & Ep.2) Breakdown - Spoilers Discussion!

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[@jjc5871]

Huyang is not a new character. He was in 2 or 3 episodes of Clone Wars. He teaches younglings how to build their first Lightsabers.

[@cryxbaby2250]

🙄

[@Mythowars]

Great episodes

[@afd1040]

​@@cryxbaby2250🙄😮‍💨

[@purefoldnz3070]

is he supposed to be chinese?

[@markmorris7123]

​@@Mythowarseh,, episode 2 was awful

[@pablopablo3834]

I love the classic trope of being ran through by a lightsaber not doing anything.

[@pledgedsun0752]

Straight up was watching ashoka thinking, ok this is better than obi wan and fett so far. Then that scene came up and i was like theyve learned nothing lol

[@zZiL341yRj736]

For someone who has the Dark Saber and did a lot of shit Sabine sure sucked ass right there. Is this even the same character?

[@defjourney7634]

A lot of people have gotten ran through with nothing but a limp to show for it.

[@hayleydanhirschfeld4862]

A stormtrooper wearing Armour dies when a blaster bolt hits them. Person gets a laser blade literally impaled through their body...no worries..you will be up and about the next day.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

​@@zZiL341yRj736 you dont hpld your guard up high with a lightsaber while watching somepne twirl to impale you? its sooooooo good. /sarcasm

[@OmniVenom]

Now I understand why at the end of Episode 1 the credits start with "For our friend, Ray." RIP Ray Stevenson

[@ben21nz]

Not Ray Skywalker?

[@lobal2]

The actor passed away while the show was in post-production.

[@drewwar9344]

​@ben21nz What no ray stevenson did the character who plays baylon Died like two months ago

[@eduardoharoproductions3065]

@@drewwar9344R/woosh

[@bw7754]

Alex and I are thinking the same, stop making them so damn incompetent. Otherwise it seems like it’s off to a good start

[@lolcats987654321]

I'd say it's more of case of making the bad guy's competent for once.

[@CaptainAmercia]

I don't think the New Republic has an Military force at all something we could see changing going forward as a reaction to Thrawns return. Introduce some New Republic Commandos, Troopers, Marines whatever. Just troopers in heavy armour with blaster rifles and heavy blasters looking like they mean business. Even in Mandalorian the New Republic used droids on the prison transport ship instead of actual troopers.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

How are the bad guys incompetent? Shin literally ran away because she was terrified of facing Ahsoka because she knows she doesn't stand a chance? Also she seems to be a padawan so she's not as experienced. Baylan seemed like an absolute monster

[@bw7754]

@@DarksideGmss0513 did we even watch the same show?

[@DarksideGmss0513]

@@bw7754 yeah. Maybe I just interpreted it differently than you did. You know that can happen that's the beauty of art. That you can look at the same piece and get different interpretations.

[@ash072]

Alex has a point. He made a comment on a previous review where he said shows like to dumb down people so when the big bad strategist villain pulls off something, it makes them look super intelligent. I do have a feeling that they may use this same sort of setup mechanism in Ahsoka. All of us who know Thrawn love him because he is a strategic and tactical genius with the likes of Alexander or Rommel. However, I don't know if the shows writers are able to provide a scenario that will show off his true skill. It very well may end up being something that seems brilliant but only because the show made the Republic dumb and illogical.

[@KhanMann66]

It’s Disney. Expect dumb down characters.

[@Kirschbaum2000]

Everyone who watched rebels already knows disneys thrawn is an idiot, sadly.

[@ash072]

@@KhanMann66 Andor was Disney and it wasn't dumbed down.

[@pakkazull8370]

Lol, Rommel a "strategic and tactical genius".

[@avengercannon]

Rommel was not a genius lol

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Alex: You could hand it to a 12 year old and they could do it. [Gives a quick recap of the puzzle] AJ: Oh, well that went over my head 😂

[@Small-Chap]

​@@glebtsoy4139he truly is😂

[@Small-Chap]

I don't want to be mean but damn Joe😂 Alex and OJ are bringing up some very good points and flawed writing. Joe is not having it😂

[@evangingerson1271]

Nothing compared to Kenobi just be grateful lol

[@Username18981]

The map puzzle was like a early level puzzle in a video game. Made for kotaku to solve

[@crookim]

The series are scripted like a video game, terrible writing

[@shadowskill111]

Instead of using a child’s toy they should have just used a public and private key authenticated to an account with MFA.

[@LizardSpork]

​@@shadowskill111That race had the ability to travel to another galaxy but locked away their secrets with a Rubics cube designed for a 5 year old.

[@Raitan2008]

Yes...way too easy to solve

[@Raitan2008]

And don't they have Droids that could recognize patterns.

[@ryanberger81]

I suspect the question about the HK droids was a way for Ahsoka to confirm what she suspects, that Morgan still has operations active on Corellia. The question about HK class droids would be alluding to her appearance in "The Mandalorian" as Morgan has HK droids in her service on that planet.

[@nabs4367]

It's beyond that, the designs for these droids that attack Ahsoka and Sabine are almost identical to the HK-87 assassin droids from The Mandalorian Season 2.

[@FL-Kman]

Heckler & Koch droids

[@Ytomany]

its just cause dave falloni likes kotor he always references kotor or steal plot points i mean look at mandalorian season 2 the krait dragon hunt is literally from kotor and the sand people being friendly also from kotor, he wanted to put revan in clone wars but George said he wanted Darth Bane instead because he is more important.

[@PatKenobi1]

The droids that attacked Sabine on Lothal were HK droids. There's no mystery, that's why they asked about them

[@lobal2]

​@Ytomany I'm glad he likes kotor. Wish some other folks understood it and did something with it.

[@BigBear--]

I want more Andor style Star Wars. That was the perfect tone, ambience, writing. It was heads and shoulders above so much of everything else.

[@transformerstuff7029]

sure if you enjoy boring shows where you already know how and when it ends. " It was heads and shoulders above so much of everything else." in the land of the blind, one eye is king.

[@prolastmedia6171]

​@@transformerstuff7029Just admit you have a potato for a brain, your comment would have been more concise

[@BigBear--]

@@transformerstuff7029 Was it better or worse than all the other shows before it? Did you enjoy the tone and atmosphere of this show vs the kiddy style stuff previously?

[@marcusgabrielson9616]

I agree, Andor is my favorite Star Wars show by far. Better than a lot of the movies too

[@plutodestroyer12]

andor was absolutely amazing

[@cephydash1533]

29:10 To be fair in rebels Kallus was transmitting info through that same tower, but Thrawn sneaked up on him with 2 seath troopers. Its the same tower. No one knows when anyone's coming up apparently.

[@TheFatalcrest]

😂 you'd think they'd install security measures...like several sensors or cameras, or a bell on a door

[@AgentVamp]

Seath? 🤔

[@controversialverbal3792]

@@AgentVampProbably meant Stealth.

[@drayman101]

@@controversialverbal3792 Death troopers, probably. If they were stealth troopers, it wouldn't be a question of how they sneaked up to him... they're stealth troopers after all.

[@holygrad1]

Chopper throwing that Tracker in outer space instead of shooting it out of a Launcher WAS BULLLL SHIIIIIIIII

[@holygrad1]

also your Trump Comment was dumb.. Two camps Camp one “presumption of innocence”. Camp two “presumption of guilt”. Camp one’s thinking is actually how the law is supposed to work in this country. There is no lawful procedure restricting a President from declassifying what he sees fit. The Constitution was not amended on this last I checked. So it’s on the DOJ to actually prove crimes that he “stole” this information. This is more the bureaucracy continuing it’s retread of the Russia hoax. They have been at this for 6+ years now and care not how embarrassing they have become. Their target remains the same.

[@121slayer]

@@holygrad1 How does anything in this post relate to the post that @holygrad1 made about Chopper? Nicely done showing your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[@holygrad1]

@@121slayer found a bot everyone

[@121slayer]

@@holygrad1 Right...... I'm somehow a bot because I pointed out you being stupid.

[@drewwar9344]

Maybe because he didn't have a launcher.😂😂😂

[@bubblegumdukem9758]

Joe takes it so personally when Alex dislikes something he likes

[@roxtechs]

Ray Stevenson was taken too soon from us. At least he went out on a badass performance!

[@martyz1212]

RIP to Ray Stevenson, hope they give him a glorious death in the series if that's possible

[@artsolano6762]

He was just a token male. I’m sure had he lived his character would have been killed off anyways. Ray Stevenson was so good in other roles. RIP to him.

[@butterflymage5623]

I doubt they kill him. I assume he’s the force user that aligns with thrawn in the new canon that Luke would have to face.

[@matta2738]

They can just recast him and have his character wear a helmet or mask

[@Endoe.McKronic]

WHO?

[@curian1286]

Aj: *Talking about E-Wings*🥹 Oj and Alex: Outside - Look interested and involved... Oj and Alex: Inside - 😒🙄😮‍💨

[@FL-Kman]

Aj: *talking about superman*😍 Oj, Alex, and the audience: *here we go again*😞🙄

[@alicesaxon601]

Seeking ewings are cool but simply adding them doesnt mean the show gets a pass. Joe is easily distracted by the dangling keys disney puts in front of him. This show was very average and hes fanboying hard.

[@curian1286]

@alicesaxon601 I am willing to give it another episode or two before rendering judgement. Andor was a slow start, but omg the 3rd episode of each 3 episode segment was stellar! That being said, andor was an unfortunate exception to the Disney rule under Kathleen Palpatine.

[@Rainiure]

It's funny to me how Joe is the only one who's watched Rebels and yet he is the furthest off the mark in his opinions here

[@gayjoebiden]

He makes funny videos shitting on video games. Did you expect him to have good taste in tv shows?

[@DarkLightGaming117]

I think it's just Joe's nostalgia kinda defending stuff that Alex and other Joe just don't have any connection to.

[@360lootgoon3]

@@DarkLightGaming117I’m a fan of Rebels and Clone Wars myself, but I can still see that Ahsoka hasn’t done the characters justice. I’ve said before that the only scene that actually reminded me of Rebels was when Hera and Chopper put the tracking device on the transport ship. The interactions between Hera and Chopper were on point. But, I think this show absolutely butchered Sabine’s character so far. Alex is right about them making her an angsty teen desperate for approval.

[@evangingerson1271]

Furthest just because his opinion don’t agree with you 😂

[@Rainiure]

@@evangingerson1271As someone who normally agrees with most of what Joe has to say, yes he is super off here. Go watch episode 3 and come back and tell me that this show is excellent

[@genozide1996]

Going into this series having zero knowledge of the rebels series, it’s not bad at all but I feel that a lot of the early fights are lost on me because I have no connection to the characters yet and so there’s no risk in the fights and it just feels like 2 people clash for a min then leave, but I did like the start of ep 1 with the map chamber, very cool way of using the lightsabers by Asoka so I hope it’s gets better

[@SciFiUncensored]

Fights were not super great and I’ve seen all of the animated stuff. Good show so far, definitely slow. But not bad yet.

[@zZiL341yRj736]

Oh my God I wished they shut the hell up about Ezra, I don't know this character and I don't CARE!!!

[@eyeprops5422]

Yes. There are some "cool" action aspects to this series. But to me the story falls flat so far. I personally hoped this series focused on Ahsoka and a downward spiral of temptation to the dark side by none other than Anakin. If that was the set up this would be gold.

[@darkstraylily1477]

Ehhh my guy you do realize this is essentially a show to find said Ezra..? Also i mean.. you can always research it...

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@zZiL341yRj736 Ezra was the main character and their family, so of course they're going to talk about the person who they owe everything to.

[@Pottsburg]

Love Ray Stevenson, his character and acting in Rome was excellent.

[@TheRetifox]

At this point, it has to be tradition where AJ gives 8/9 out of 10 for the first 2-3 episodes in an show and will give 3 out 10 last 3 episodes lol

[@alexanderreich749]

He just wants them to be good so bad. If he would go objectively, Ahsoka would be maximum 3/10, it’s not on Kenobi levels, but only 1/10 better. The whole show feels dead

[@aaronsmithjr.5505]

It’s certainly strange watching Jedi in video games like the old republic compared to on screen shows. The power difference is like Superman vs daredevil.

[@ViegasSilva]

"Luke, Did I Ever Tell You About Ahsoka Tano?"

[@butterflymage5623]

I mean, luke already met her in boba fett

[@ViegasSilva]

@@butterflymage5623 just google what i wrote...

[@PatKenobi1]

HK droids were literally the ones that attacked Sabine on Lothal, that's why they asked

[@MrOliverk2]

Yes thank you

[@IIPapaMurphII]

AJ "whoa this thing is unbelievable and a huge stretch to tie everything together and I loved it" Alex "yeah that's a no from me dog" AJ "well you don't have 4 seasons of rebels behind you" 😮‍💨

[@TarverSamuel]

The Sabine running from the cops scene felt like it was ripped straight out of Star Trek when Kirk runs from the Robo Cop

[@JayTraversJT]

1:41 This is why I like andor so much. It makes the actual military powers feel powerful, intelligent and tangible. I feel like a magical lightsaber wielder would be far more hard pressed in that tonal shift of a show - and that's great. That's called tension.

[@bigdaddy2706]

Andor was an incredible Star Wars show. So many boring people thought it was boring though, makes me sad.

[@JRGKpersonal]

when i saw Ahsoka i felt like she has grown to be something between Anakin and Obi-Wan, more serious and wanting to keep people at a distance but still having personality.

[@vulcan280]

Even though I am a fan of rebels I really think they should have had like a 2 min intro to rebels just to give some context. I am sure it is weird for non rebels watchers (or really clone wars watchers when Ahsoka should up in mando season 2) to connect with these characters

[@mikerotonda6264]

Did you ever think, maybe REBELS isn't really of fan of YOU

[@Stargayzer---]

Totally lost myself. This is a Meh show for the average viewer.

[@SnailMale69]

I never made it all the way through rebels, so I had to go and just watch the finale of the last season to get context

[@nokturnallex2160]

I actually watched a bit of Clone Wars and a bit of Rebels, but yea, it's weird. A better introduction for the characters and a recap of the ending of Rebels would've been a good idea for people who haven't seen it. I have a question for Die Hard fans though, did the actors do justice to the characters? I only saw a few episodes of Rebels but I feel like Sabine wasn't Sabine. (She somehow comes off more immature and younger than Sabine was by the end of rebels)

[@Scuzzlebutt142]

I think this is a bit of what the presentation of the monument was supposed to do, establish what had happened in Rebels, would have been better if it had been done maybe as kids visiting the monument thing, and getting things spoonfed a bit more?

[@el_cachorro]

joe got that way wrong, Sabine was not force sensitive. They trained here to wield a lightsaber because she recovered the DARKSABER from Darth Maul. She is the same Din. There has never been any scene that I can recall of her showing a connection to the force.

[@welcome2mytruth]

Alex is right. I have such an issue how it started. That ship is carrying a highly valuable prisoner and the captain lets them dock claiming to be Jedi. I haven't watched Rebels but know the characters from some of the games I have played. I think the best thing is that it FEELS like Star Wars.

[@lobal2]

He assumed they weren't force users, while not the best idea to let them board the ship. Jedi haven't really been seen for 20+ years, outside of a handful of people. He thought they were regular spies and tried to BS their way on board. He was gonna just arrest them for an easy W. 9 out of 10 times he would've been right. But that 10% chance really bit him in the ass.

[@exar8355]

Totally agreed. Honestly Alex is the only one who holds these tv shows to high standards. I feel like AJ is just desperate to like anything remotely not dreadful after 10 years of rubbish. They have to do better than this.

[@vawlkus]

TBF, they DO say they're in that spot waiting for Home One, but yeah, it's still dumb aside from that.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

the problem isnt only that its dumb. its that it has to happen to propel the story. they need character A to meet char B. But A is in jail. so instead of writing a complicated prison break or con. lets make the leader brash and incompetent so we can justify when he chooses every...single... wrong choice. then A meets B. tadaaa same as the assaasin droid remaining in the home. if it didnt do that the stories done. bad guys win. ahsoka has zero info to go on. the idiotic droid propels the narrative

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

@@lobal2 youd shoot them out of the sky. its a prisoner transport lol.

[@MrOliverk2]

The droids that attacked Sabine were HK droids. That’s why they went to corellia in the first place. When Sabine pulled up the memory unit from the HK droids head in the hospital

[@IIMK1II]

lol that was my logic too, i figured the driods that attacked earlier were HK droids, it made sense for Ahsoka to ask

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

ah yes.. an assassin droid that keeps all ita information on it in the event it fails it can tell everyone where it came from. an intelligent design for any assassin. kinda like sending an assassin with a knife engraved with the name of the person who hired the assassin

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@Senorbenignhillarity Welcome to Star Wars.

[@MagnusThePaladin]

they are probably thinking of the HK droids from old republic cause they look different

[@drayman101]

@@Senorbenignhillarity They said that if you tried to access their memory and got the voltage wrong, they would self-destruct. I would suspect it's so that if they failed to report back after a mission and were later recovered, they could still have their memory accessed to see what went wrong, but destroy any who don't know how to access the memory safely. Probably safer to just have the memory self-destruct once the droid goes offline, but maybe they don't care about the safer option?

[@bellissimo4520]

I totally agree on the issue with the lame bad guys. The only time I really found the bad guys in the second Mando season truly threatening was when the Dark Troopers got into the picture - they felt like the terminators of the Star Wars universe, and nearly unstoppable and indestructable. Or... the only memorable good moment from "The Force Awakens" - the badass baton-Stormtrooper. Why can't we have more of that instead of the legions of boring cannonfodder?

[@Wolfhead101]

Stilted and wooden acting. Long pointless pauses. No emotions. Dull as dishwater

[@akeen176]

Idk what AJ is talking about in regards to Sabine, she only trained with kanan and Ezra with lightsabers so she could wield the dark Saber to lead Mandalore before she gave it to bo katan. She never once showed any aptitude or premonition with the force idk why filoni is adding this in. Reserving judgment until series is finished but I'm skeptical Edit: i gotta say the more i watch this video the worse AJ is. Needs a refresher in rebels for sure and claims he watched first 2 episodes twice and missed a ton. Usually enjoy these vids but this one was a slog to get through. Alex and OJ should be able to steer the ship more.

[@thesixth2330]

Why does AJ feel the need to put down Alex whenever he disagrees with him? How about not having the ship attacked during prisoner transport at all? What about when they are on planet when they are on the Prison planet? Wasn't it so cute when the Android got upset when the ship was being shot at by a turret with tracking worse then todays! never knew droids could feel fear and give sass!!! I also , like when the assassin droids waited for Ashoka to talk and give sass before attacking. Why wouldn't the initiate self-destruct and chase her? How did she vut those holes for those two droids? Exceptional writing, 10 out of 10.

[@strikedogg75]

How did Sabine survive the saber stab?

[@matta2738]

Same way people survive being impaled on things. Just missed vital organs. It happens, look it up.

[@Blanktester685]

same way people irl aren't insta killed by stab wounds.

[@cloak1408]

@@Blanktester685well then bring back Qui Gon then!!

[@cloak1408]

@@matta2738well then bring back Qui Gon then…

[@dimvots6729]

@@Blanktester685 a stab wound by a knife ok a stab wound by a knife in th stomach not so OK a run through the stomach with a sword that melts metal. Dead.

[@tycondrius23]

It’s funny that Joe said he was such a huge fan of Rebels but missed the fact that Sabine is living in Ezra’s house 😂 that pylon tower is where we first get introduced to him and it appears a few time across the show

[@eathanlevek4834]

He also said Sabine is a low-level force user in rebels and that doesn't sound right either.

[@ViewfromtheVoid]

Let's be real.. the dude hasn't seen shit. Probably watched a recap or something.

[@el_cachorro]

he missed a lot. Sabine isn't force sensitive, she was trained to use the darksaber. Huyang voiced by David Tennant is from the Clone Wars. I could be wrong but I don't reall Ahsoka and sabine ever having much a connection in the show, they just meet up in the end to go look for ezra.

[@nathanstewart3329]

Yeah sounds weird that Joe is saying all this stuff but it doesn’t ring with what I remember.

[@johnrossi6189]

You all have to remember that Rebels was YEARS ago and he had to review a lot of things, I think it's fair for him to not remember every single thing.

[@krispyasfk2567]

The combat is soooo lackluster Rosario is far too old to do lightsaber duels at speed.

[@mikerotonda6264]

Not as lackluster as those Bronx bombers this season!.. Omg!!! Wtf is going on over there?!

[@krispyasfk2567]

@@mikerotonda6264 Don't remind me. They're fucking atrocious!

[@joemercuri6242]

Did anyone else notice that in the space dock scene the Mon Calamari guard was wearing a gun that with his fin hands he would have no chance of even getting out of the holster. How did this guy get through the academy?? and wtf is he doing on a detail transporting an HVP??

[@throwingdartsandbreakinghearts]

The way AJ dismisses everything OJ and Alex say, when he doesnt agree, is messed up. Typical narcissistic behavior.

[@Arvys88]

It feels like someone paid Joe Vargas to boost Ashoka. OJ, Alex, and a lot of people who have seen this show think differently.

[@unleashedplayer]

Joe actually has the lowest of standards. You could dangle keys in front of the man and he'd be satisfied..

[@traviseicher9118]

Can someone explain how a 1000 year old map shows how to find Thrawn?

[@TrueCyprien]

My guess is it just shows the path to the other galaxy and Elsbeth somehow knows Thrawn is there. The map had Purrgil (space whales) drawn around the other galaxy, so its probably connected to them.

[@121slayer]

Don't ask questions, just consume product, and get excited for next product; that's how. Disney has no clue what to do with anything.

[@MysticTroll]

​@@121slayerThat's right Jay

[@121slayer]

@@MysticTroll lol

[@kianooshdaneshnia1062]

I completely agree with everything Alex said!!

[@40KWill]

I think Alex is most grounded here

[@dirkjewitt5037]

This is what they should have started the new Star Wars but they could have done it better. It would have been nice to see this love for the other series. At least Alex understands.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Nah this was garbage

[@DarksideGmss0513]

I think they are because there were we going to a new galaxy in this series. That's literally what the map was showing and pointing too. That's where Thrawn is currently along with Ezra

[@jj578297]

Poor joe can never remember anyone’s names or pronounce them right

[@mikerotonda6264]

...GO BLUE!!!!

[@jj578297]

@@mikerotonda6264 〽️〽️〽️〽️

[@Jefafa73]

Spaceballs called it a long time ago, Darth Helmut, "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

[@FFFFPPPP]

The David Tennant robot isnt a new character, AJ. He was in Clone Wars. And you call yourself a fan.

[@aquaticlife9251]

Write a story. Regardless of the audience. Write a story that is good. Don't dumb the material down. By dumbing it down, what kind of product are you ultimately left with? Younger audiences are smarter than most give them credit for. Challenging children through movies and stories is a great way for them to learn. A great way to learn human behavior as well as problem solve. Learning that somethings can go differently than one hoped are leasons of life and should be taught in as many forms as possible. Many are so used to predictable dumbed scripts, they don't know how to handle a good story with some complexity. You can expand a mind outside of a classroom. Outside of even books. And it is every important to trigger that creative part of the mind for understanding others and their unique perspectives. Writing got lazy. Every movie company has seemed to follow Disney's format with simple and harmless story telling complete with all the jokes (consistently bad comedy writing ) and little mental stimulation. Little risks as well. When it's done well, movies can be a great tool and not just entertainment. Hollywood forgets that a lot. Perhaps they have abandoned that thinking and are purely about profits in this era of script writing. I'm hanging on to hope.

[@BigBirdJerm]

Pretty solid, some stupid stuff like Ahsoka not taking the map back from Sabine when she asked to take it with her and Ahsoka said no but still left it with her anyway lol. But other than a few things like that yeah its solid

[@iamwill_s_t]

I don't know these characters but do you think Ahsoka knew how it would play out? Some of her reactions to Sabine looked like she had "force insight".

[@GenJuhru]

@@iamwill_s_t she could've blocked that inquisitor lightsaber boomerang-ing, she's too calm for comfort

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817]

Why would she take it from her? She still needs her to solve it... like quickly... she didn't have time to "ground" Sabine from using the map, like Ahsoka literally says she expected Sabine to have changed and be more responsible that's why she let her keep it ON THE SHIP, she didn't expect her to dash with it given the stakes, it was an error in judgment which reflects their estranged relationship, it's not some type of plot contrivance it's called development and it makes sense given the context.

[@padawanmage71]

Ezra: "You're like a sister to me..." Sabine: *FRIENDZONED*

[@Chandyman7723]

There is one thing I want to comment on regarding the puzzle. I too thought it was a bit silly at first but actually appreciated it when she talked to Huyang. The robot mentions he could’ve solved it but wanted Ahsoka to reunite with Sabine. I feel this comment is going over looked by most people but might make them enjoy that part a bit more.

[@dain6492]

It's silly in the context of our real life. With the progress of ai software like chat gbt your telling me they don't have an ai program the could have figured out the maps puzzle, it wasnt even that complex, it was literally on the floor of the room.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

its overlooked because having a droid say that means absolutely nothing when an age old ancienct society has created a puzzle easily solved by..turning. theres only 360 degrees and it clicks in when its in the right spot. it is absolutely rediculous in its implementation. now once she has the magical apple of adam...err i mean gold.ball. not one person including the person who just solved an ancient puzzle by TURNING all the objects... tries turning a puzzle piece with obvious grooves. they didnt make a puzzle only solveable by jedi. they didnt make it complicated. this is a tutorial level puzzle in a show written like an mmo fetch quest.

[@jeffn4836]

Mary Elizabeth winstead in those orange pants…..yes please

[@jacobchandler7642]

My scores for the first two episodes are closer to OJ and Alex's, but my interest/excitement to see what's next is closer to AJ's. The fights were solid and the mystery seemed interesting enough (mainly the new galaxy). My favorite part was the master/apprentice dynamic between Baylan and Shin. I dug their ambiguous dark jedi standing, and I can see myself loving this show if the writing for Ahsoka and Sabine's master/apprentice relationship is just as solid.

[@rogue5843]

AJ tries not to be an overbearing asshole when his friends are expressing their opinions: impossible

[@drayman101]

I'm liking how the show is going so far, but agree that Ahsoka is being a bit too serious for my liking too, she was in Mando too, but it's even more pronounced here. I'm wondering if there's a reason for it that we'll get to see later, beyond her just being older, or something from Rosario or the director of the show, because Rosario is usually naturally speaks/acts closer to how Ashley Eckstein portrayed Ahsoka in CW/Rebels, so I feel like it's something that's got a reason behind it that we'll see later.

[@as978]

At this point Alex should have his own channel. Even though I really like Joe, it’s like watching two people and a child talk.

[@bms31418]

Lmao Alex and Other Joe clearly disagree with AJ, and they are 100% right

[@optiondezzo1513]

Aj himself admitted that he is a self confessed fanboi and brings that to this content for entertainment's sake.

[@GoronMerchant]

AJ is right…. Why does being a fan of something considered a bad thing. They would actually know more…

[@Blast481]

AJ should try growing up, fans are the most critical of the things they love even if it hurts. AJ is a child

[@Ytomany]

fanboi and fan are different@@GoronMerchant

[@jacobshaffer7700]

​@Blast481 why are you here?

[@710moose8]

Alex always has logic without him I couldn’t ever watch these reviews without bashing my head against a wall listening to Joe 😂 Also the only male character in the show is a bad guy LMFAO

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817]

Not all the time, I didn't understand his gripe with Shin not "toying with Sabine" and kicking her ass harder, Sabine got put on the ground like 3 times before ultimately getting stabbed, she didn't even get so much as a slap on Shin... She obviously was being toyed with what more do you want?

[@nicolasvega-frey4543]

i see joe agree with him a lot

[@Paulfromwish]

Idk why Joe dying on every hill against Alex when he’s sitting there hard locked stunned trying to remember anything about the show

[@mauldalorian4725]

Clancy Brown has played three star wars charaters. Savage Opress, Leader of Lothal, and the deveronian in Mandalorian season 1. And as far as I remember they never ever hinted that Sabine was force sensitive.

[@matta2738]

She's not. But shes a female so she MUST be strong and powerful

[@Blanktester685]

@@matta2738 nah women shouldn't be in media unless they are sexualized imo im not being serious btw.

[@isa2758]

@@matta2738 why are you getting triggered? even the droid say sabine is way below the weak younglings....she only know how to swings lightsabers because of rebels

[@lobal2]

​@isa2758 yeah, that was one of the most brutal lines i have ever heard.

[@hubachecka]

The explosives those droids had at the beginning were so freakishly big, I mean, why even bother with any assassination droids? Just strap an explosive to a small flying droing and boom, you could kill anyone, even any Jedi...

[@Kirschbaum2000]

If Morgan is a night sister.. why didn't she use her powers in her fight against ahsoka in the mandalorian?

[@alicesaxon601]

Because filoni didnt think of it at the time of mando season 2s production

[@dandino8100]

She can't be a real one she isn't a dathomir woman.

[@kingadamus8820]

Just reminds me of Cartman going whateva whateva I do what I want whateva lol

[@TheSpongyMallard]

The two episodes were pretty enjoyable. Lightsaber fights were pretty decent and the story is interesting so far. Hopefully it gets better and not worse.

[@elliotwatson3964]

fair comment. I honestly felt a little bored in these episodes. Kenobi's start was more interesting to me, reva and leia shite aside

[@TheSpongyMallard]

@@elliotwatson3964 Larry from Auralnauts is my head canon for Kenobi.

[@Jayonase425]

The Force is Female. Lol

[@TheSpongyMallard]

@@beg4mercy890 Decent means like 5 or 6/10. I didn’t say they were great. Also Ahsoka is a great character (at least in The Clone Wars TV show). A woman main character doesn’t mean it’s woke. You should really watch The Clone Wars show if you haven’t. Some of the early episodes aren’t great and you can skip the JarJar ones, but 80-90% of the series is really freaking good.

[@ethankirby1721]

@@beg4mercy890yeah I agree. No comparison to the prequel lightsaber duels

[@juanpizarro2955]

31:38 OJ: "If your name starts with a Qui..." Alex: "You´re Gon"

[@SurfNinjas]

This seems so much better than Boba Fett, Kenobi, and Season 3 of Mando were. Hopefully the quality keeps up.

[@LizardSpork]

You're measuring it against a very very low bar. 😂

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Too bad Andor is still leagues above this crap

[@DarksideGmss0513]

​@@dancingvalkyrieoh you're talking about the snoozefest that was andor. That's literally one of the only shows that put me to sleep. That and WWE

[@dancingvalkyrie]

@@DarksideGmss0513 This is what all smoothbrains think

[@DarksideGmss0513]

@@dancingvalkyrie that's just my opinion on it dude don't have to be so defensive.

[@diobrando2732]

“Why did she ask about HK droids??” Idk Alex maybe because of the HK droid that Sabine took apart and found it came from corellia….which you guys literally just talked about? Is Alex from the new republic???

[@elitescarecrowgaming4713]

21:56 Sabine also held the dark saber before the events of ANH and was very skilled without before she gave it up to Bo Katan

[@Thevillagebrother]

I interpreted Sabine’s low level like the Donnie Yen’s character in Rogue One.

[@Tuchpi]

I think Donnie Yen was way more force sensitive, dude is blind

[@Thevillagebrother]

@@Tuchpi That’s a possibility. I thought the fact that he was born blind forced (no pun intended) him to relay on the force to enhance his natural deficit. Not to mention Donnie Yen’s character has been training in the force for years with his limitations.

[@optiondezzo1513]

didn't like how sabine was introduced as a character. but i really liked how she got ready to be a padawan again at the end of episode 2. it was a real pity that the EXTREMELY long screen time to introduce her in episode 1 could have been better used on her when she readied herself at the end of episode 2.

[@dejabu24]

she never was a padawan

[@johnrossi6189]

So Joe didn't say this because he seen Rebels years ago so I can understand why he forgot but in Rebels the reason why Sabine was taught how to use a lightsaber a bit and some Jedi stuff was because she was the owner of the Black SABER, that's why Bo katan in Mandlorian wants it so badly is because Sabine gave it to her without it being through combat but Sabine didn't want to keep leading them and wanted to rejoin the Rebels. But yeah since she had the black saber is why she was taught a bit in rebels.

[@anarionelendili8961]

@@johnrossi6189 Darksaber, but close enough, yes. :) The whole padawan stuff must have happened between Ezra's disappearance and this series. I think the opinions are split whether the joining scene in Ep 2 is the same as the end scene in Rebels, since it is framed very much the same way, but the set is slightly different, and Ashoka's clothing is very different. In Rebels, the implication was very much that it was the START of the search, not a resumption.

[@prolastmedia6171]

Yea Sabine was by far the worst part of these first 2 episodes

[@yournobody6487]

For context all the assassin droids they are using are HK units....they said it multiple times in reference to them specifically. HK 47 is like 4-500 years old model wise but HK droids in general didnt stop production.

[@TheSpongyMallard]

I think you forgot a 0. He’s like 4000 years before the movies.

[@yournobody6487]

@@TheSpongyMallard thank you for pointing that out, was typing a little fast there.

[@titanjakob1056]

Query: do you think the superior HK-47 unit make an appearance to show how squishy these meatbags are?

[@jakewheeler6014]

@@titanjakob1056 No HK-47 is not showing up.

[@yournobody6487]

@@titanjakob1056 Condescending answer:The last known apperence of hk-47 he was destoyed by meatbags who also defeated revan. They would also have to canonize the old republic game which they wont do.

[@121slayer]

I'm going to guess the Grysks will be introduced as the advanced civilization that created the starmap pedestal area. No, we will never see the Yuuzhan Vong from Disney's LuscasFilm.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

The Grysk are literally the Disney version of them

[@121slayer]

@@DarksideGmss0513 The Grysks don't look nearly as Death Metal as the Yuuzhan Vong. Which is why we won't see them in animation or live action. We could see the Grysks. Then again I can see Disney toning the the Yuuzhan Vong way down, which would be such a waste.

[@mattyoung9146]

Alex: maybe she’s from space Alabama. Me: spits out my drink laughing

[@Muz__27]

It would be pretty cool if this was all leading to the Yuuzhan Vong coming over from the other galaxy and everyone needs to work together to defeat them. I'm not a huge fan of Ahsoka training Sabine and I really hope she doesn't have the force. Also where the hell is Hera's son Jason? If anyone should be Ahsoka's apprentice I think it should be him.

[@Darth_Arashi]

Relax… it’s been 2 episodes with potential of a 2nd season.

[@CookieSicarius]

Lol I think they are retconed

[@Corran51]

I think the point is that she has a very weak connection to the force, that even Kanan didn't pick up on when he spent years in her presence and even when he trained her to use the Darksabre. Yea maybe Thrawn and Ezra have been fighting the Vong and keeping them at bay for all these years, the "rescue" mission actually opens up the doorway to the Vong and begins their invasion years later post sequels

[@lfc08adam]

​@@Corran51we can only hope

[@thestupidpenguin]

He's at home playing Jedi Fallen Order. 🤣

[@Sven989]

So people can now survive being stabbed by a saber? They might as well fight with pool noodles! 😆

[@jasonmcmurtry7812]

Great first 2 episodes with some minor issues but overall well done. Sabine running off like a child from Ahsoka and having the map stolen was dumb though.

[@firstlast9846]

Aren’t TV shows opening episodes supposed to make you like or care about the characters? I didn’t really feel any connection to any of them.. and Ashoka is wooden af

[@bw7754]

@@firstlast9846I can see what you’re saying about her being stiff, maybe their setting up Sabine being around again gives her more personality

[@superjlk_9538]

Sabine being foolish is purposeful. Ashoka trusted her too much

[@SolidPain6624]

@@firstlast9846the older Ashoka is supposed to be like this…

[@firstlast9846]

@SolidPain6624 - even the older Jedi had charisma

[@CaptainAmercia]

I do find it odd that there's people who didn't vibe with the Punk Rock music played over Sabine. I love hearing a wider range of music in Star Wars beyond Space Jazz and I love the idea of Punk Rock being a genre in Star Wars but still giving it that retro 1970s feel. Rebels had a killer track called "Zeb Rock" by the same composer of Ahsoka that is just full on Top Gun inspired 1980s Rock that you could see X-Wing pilots rocking out too. So yeah the music for this show is amazing, Kevin Kiner did an amazing job and he's worked on the music for Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch and before this sound design for game like Republic Commando which is why Bad Batch had so many sound effects from that game.

[@lolcats987654321]

Same energy as the hu doing music for fallen order.

[@the.last.son2000]

I don't mind it, either. I just don't like the way it's utilized. It felt too "CW" (in the sense that it's cliche).

[@jameskelley5918]

I mean max rebo isn’t for everyone.

[@BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV]

I liked it and the music in fallen order

[@HolyknightVader999]

If I was writing that initial encounter, I'd have it so that Baylin and Shin would be pretend-injured in some run-down ship, with an emergency beacon and a message about the Empire attacking them. The New Republic takes them in, puts them in the medlab, then they can wake up and slaughter the bridge crew with their Force powers.

[@avengercannon]

But that would require good writing and making the New Republic look like good guys.

[@tavtaverner5886]

Some random person on the internet just came up with a far more plausible scene and better idea than what we got in the show. Filoni seems to get so wrapped up in his own echo-chamber that he struggles with the narrative, hopefully that doesn't continue on.

[@Kirschbaum2000]

Someone played kotor 2. ;)

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@Kirschbaum2000 Yep.

[@adrijenie4105]

​@@HolyknightVader999 darth Sion haha

[@jakethornton4856]

I'm assuming that the droids that attacked Asoka in the first episode were HK droids(at least the current version of them cuz they obviously arent the old ones) and that is why she asked the manager at the factory about HK droids

[@JDI1990]

Correct

[@MrOliverk2]

Yes

[@aaronsustaita277]

Yea I agree with Other Joe and Alex on this one about the characters. Also, It feels like the same plot as the sequels finding a map to find someone. I thought overall it was fine, but I wish it didn’t have to depend a bit on the viewer to watch Rebels.

[@ShilohBoca]

Wow. Now we get how fan boys completely ignore stuff when they want to love their franchise so badly. Joe getting upset at Alex for rolling his eyes

[@40KWill]

That's why I expect Joe to lose his positive attitude over time when this almost inevitably shots the bed

[@alicesaxon601]

Yeah its how all the Filoni fanatics act. And the disney apologists.

[@blazingmonolith4323]

AJ is going to be completely biased on these reviews.

[@AdamWhiteside]

I like it, I agree with OJ and Alex, 7/10. The tropes are lame, writing can be weak at times and the dialogue shallow sometimes. Action and production design are good and all the scenes with the dark jedi are great. I have a huge crush on Mary Elizabeth Winstead so I'll bump it up to 8/10.

[@Lorhin]

I think the inquisitor is someone we know. They're making effort to keep the identity hidden. He never talks. You never see his face. He's probably a major spoiler.

[@yournobody6487]

Idk he’s the 8th brother so he was already part of the inquisitors making him a known character would just be poor writing and shoe horning shock value. Cheap shock value.

[@chilbiyito]

It's not Sam witwer

[@sillerbarly4927]

I thought they mentioned Roc would be on Correllia. Which just incase you don't know, is Thrawn's personal assassin and was thought dead in Rebels, since legends is not cannon. Which I think is at least nice if they are bringing Roc back since he was under used in Rebels

[@0verWay]

​@@chilbiyitodon't do that. Don't give me hope

[@JCVV22]

It's ezra forsure

[@GrandmasterSplash]

I think AJ is putting too much faith in Filoni considering KK is still in charge but I admire his optimism

[@Dae...]

That apprentice isn't menacing or provoking in the slightest. It's laughable.

[@user-qh5fv3gm5m]

That's why I am totally done, I gave these jackass 3 strikes, and they constantly give me garbage, I don't know why they can't just sit on the side lines and suck ass, and as for starwars let these people who totally understand it and care for it let them do their thing, I'm so sick of the live action stuff, mark my words, there won't ever be words between words, and no snoke which they have been preaching about it but nothing, and it's going to have a bunch of bs, like stupid dumb force bonds, being able to get a lughtsaber with just closing your eyes, being able to heal yourself when you're cut by a lughtsaber is bullshit .

[@lobal2]

Not sure that was the intent with the character. They aren't sith. They are something else.

[@Dae...]

@@lobal2 It's got nothing to do with being sith. It's about being the antagonist.

[@lobal2]

@@Dae... Bro, she cut down half a dozen guards without breaking a sweat. Does she need to look like maul? Yoda was the least intimidating looking character in all of star wars. Hell, chopper the droid comes off as cute and funny but is a pyschopath. What the is the point of making her menacing?

[@bonjy3701]

An antagonist doesn't have to be menacing or provoking. An antagonist just needs to get in the way of a protagonist.@@Dae...

[@Brichris828]

If you are going by rebels joe she didn’t survive her fight with darth vader. Ezra pulled her through time when the killing blow was going down on her and she was stopped him from doing it again with his master

[@chrissavaiano7906]

Sabine’s artistic ability allowed her to solve puzzles in the animated series, so it made sense that they went to Sabine to solve the map puzzle. If Alex finished watching the animated series he would have more context.

[@roberthesser6402]

The issue is more that the puzzle is insanely easy to solve, such that Ahsoka looks like an idiot for not knowing how to do it.

[@chrissavaiano7906]

@@roberthesser6402 Well that is also definitely true

[@octobercameron786]

Ok I’m watching it right now and already wanna say wtf is the writing again. The captain just says “allow them onto the ship I’ll call out their bluff.” Knowing very well if it’s sith or some rouge bad jedi they can do nothing to stop them. “Oh let’s just let this possibly op enemy that has the potential to decimate us at their finger tips on the ship.”

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

They should have told the captain they were the 'wallet inspectors'. That would have been a more legitimate reason to let them onboard.

[@octobercameron786]

@@GaudiaCertaminisGaming lol

[@bryantvitela523]

TBF, Qui-Gon was left unattended bc Obi Wan was stuck between the shield & prolly overwhelmed with anger and just wanted to get Maul. But yeah, he could’ve chilled out & called for backup lol

[@Darrkness]

Alex. I think you would love the Red Rising books by Pierce Brown if you don't already. Lightbringer (book 6) just came out and i think its right up your alley.

[@Bert2e]

If they had removed all the dramatic pauses between line reads (I assume to make it feel more 'grown up') the two episodes could have been one 50 minute pilot that moved along at a pretty good pace. My wife was *SUPER EXCITED* (counting down the days to the premier) but fell asleep halfway through the first episode. NOT a good sign. She never watched Clone Wars or Rebels so she didn't really care that so many beloved characters where stepping out of animation into the "real" world. She was excited to see the character from her favorite Mandalorian episode get her own show. The follwing day, after saying she wanted to try watching again, she remarked, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get the idea that Sabine is such a 'punk rock wild-child'! I didn't need a 10 minute musical biker intro to beat me over the head with such an overused trope." At this point. I'm not sure if Ahsoka will become our regular Wednesday watch party. It didn't have the best launch in my household.

[@rinneganitachi4840]

I hope Ezra is evil AF a dark side user and is working with Thrawn

[@edgarinfernal4259]

That literally go against his character

[@rinneganitachi4840]

@@edgarinfernal4259 Yes... yes it does... would you like too know more about the dark side Padawan ?hehe lolz ... but yeah nah he most likely aint gonna be evil AF but just because Disney sucks and has psiho retards like Kathlen Kenedy...that aside what i realy think is that hes gonna be still a jedi but he will be working with Thrawn against some very strong enemy from another galaxy or too find something

[@darthxeno3434]

@@edgarinfernal4259no it’s not he gave into the darkside several times before and only stopped because of Kanin…. But years later and time to himself ezra is a survivor and will use any means to protect himself and friends…. And just because you tap into the dark side doesn’t make you evil…. The dark side can be used for good.

[@benjamindavis7754]

I've said this before on a fandom community page , But I hope Sabine doesn't have Force Powers beyond anything Chirrut Imwe has demonstrated ? I mean Sabine shouldn't use Telekinesis or even great feats in Agility like Force Jumping etc. Instead knowing she can't use The Force like a Jedi Master / Knight / Padawan , she has to rely on a combination of everything she's learned in Saber Training , Weapons - Blaster* , Intelligence and Cunning , Her Mandalorian Armor / Techniques and Tech. To fight at a disadvantage but using her own ability , skill , training and know how to compensate for her limitations. Maybe at best being about to sense danger or traps sensitive in intuition and reflex that's it. The rest is handicapped so Sabine has to be focused to looking for advantages against Force Users which is difficult but not impossible we've seen Non Force Users get the better of Jedi w/ Strategic Planning. I feel it's ok if Sabine isn't a Force User but is trained in Saber Combat and Jedi Mindset / Unconventional* similar to how Anakin trained Ahsoka to bend rules and take opportunity when possible vs following the rules.

[@benjamindavis7754]

Maybe taking a style that incorporates a Saber Blaster* Armor / Tech like we've seen Djinn use.

[@yournobody6487]

The friendzoning of sabine for ezra was my only real complaint there was too much set up in rebels to kinda just be like yeah no friendzone they even show live action sabine she clearly has deeper feelings than "i need to find my friend" she needs to find her man lol

[@butterflymage5623]

Sabine having feelings doesn’t mean Ezra returns those feelings.

[@yournobody6487]

@@butterflymage5623 i mean…they kissed so yeah they kinda established he did. So him friend zoning her in his good bye i have to save world message is either bad writing(which dave doesnt do often) or a flat out brain fart.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

​@@yournobody6487maybe he retconned it.

[@yournobody6487]

@@DarksideGmss0513 Yeah this isnt kathleen kennedy we are talking about here. Dave actually does quality writing and strays away from retconning unless it causes serious continuity issues. As where KK effectively retcon’d the entire EU upon purchase.

[@forcelord9999]

they did not kiss lol@@yournobody6487

[@thinktwice3211]

Sabine really needs a jetpack.

[@tomhill11ify]

It was a great start hopefully it stays that way throughout the series, I have a couple major nitpicks like the plot armour stab that has suddenly become a thing in Disney, everyone except Qui gon can survive that shit

[@Aaron-yi1rl]

Exactly Qui gon literally get stab the same way but he died. And she lived 😂

[@Raitan2008]

Not only lived but it's only a scratch

[@lukesmale24]

@@Aaron-yi1rl Because she was treated straight away. Qui Gon was not

[@lobal2]

Qui gon got it right through the spine. Best judgement is sabine got caught in the liver, which can be really f*cking bad. However, if it only got a piece, it's survivable. But you ain't getting right out of bed like that, bacta be damned.

[@ando7302]

​@@lobal2Bro, lightsabers are melting REINFORCED SPACESHIP DOORS in seconds. The instant you get stabbed everything inside you will boil, you will be dead in a second, she should have been dead before she fell on the ground

[@ghostsquadren]

42:08 There was a line from the corporate guy stating that the ships being dismantled were going into building the new republic defence fleet.

[@DARBOID.]

Joe needs to pay more attention to the shows he reviews lol. Thank god for Alex and other Joe.

[@maxtorquetv]

One other thing the WHOLE scrapyard does not have any defence force or turrets to shoot down that transport!?!?!?! Not even a fighter squad? 😮😮😮😮

[@aragorn8401001]

It annoys me so much how much Joe is saying things are GREAT. It's not great, it's okay at best.