Animated Atrocities 198 || Return to Zombie Island

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[@TheMysteriousMrEnter]

Since this is a sequel review, I reviewed the original movie here if you want to see my thoughts on the original Zombie Island Film: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJPLpoCVeLNqkKM

[@nathanielvaughn6728]

This movie isn't just a sequel to Zombie Island, it's also a sequel to Curse of the 13th Ghost. The BS about the sheriff and selling the Mystery Machine came from that film, and they finally put this plotline down with the next movie, "Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo!"

[@nathanielvaughn6728]

Also, Elvira gets a much bigger role in that next movie.

[@jackgarrison8497]

@Vicki Barkley Scooby Doo on Zombie Island is A Great and terrifying Movie and was pretty graphically gory for A Kids Movie too bad this Sequel sucks it was completely pointless and boring beyond belief

[@portalmasterdragon7326]

Wait this is real I thought I was seeing things

[@jackgarrison8497]

@@portalmasterdragon7326 Unfortunately so I don't know why They made A pointless Sequel but They did

[@SirPreyas]

Return to Zombie Island and Mindy Kaling's Velma are the results of the question "What would happen if we gave a beloved IP to a person/people who don't actually care about said IP?"

[@ElArtistaDeLaGalaxia]

Like that kind of parents, who don't give a F,ukc about his own Childrens.

[@sebastianemond5313]

👏👏👏👏👏😃😃😃😃!! ✊😆Yes, exactly! Why would the Scooby Gang care about it?

[@robbiewalker2831]

Making Velma having an Atheist mindset makes her feel less valuable to a team of Paranormal Investigators.

[@dabatman5187]

And The Curse of the 13th Ghost (which this movie takes place after, that’s why there’s no Mystery Machine. They sold it in that movie)

[@sebastianemond5313]

@@dabatman5187 Wait, what?? I thought that was to continue the original show. That takes place before the *Return to Zombie Island??* 🥺🙏Please tell me the ghosts and monsters that were real in 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo are real in that movie?

[@jvts8916]

The Sheriff has to be the most efficient Scooby Doo villain of all time. He managed to cripple Mystery Incorporated just by asking nicely.

[@jeremyriley1238]

Indeed, but thankfully, the movie after this will reveal the sheriff's true colors.

[@kirinbobarcana]

Also he threatened them with prison.

[@dabatman5187]

He said “With a cherry on top” so they stopped

[@Supasmartguy]

I actually hated this movie so much that I contacted it's screenwriter to complain. He told me that he actually hates his own film as much as we do, and he was forced by the studio to make it like this because they insisted that the point of Scooby-Doo was to teach kids that monsters weren't real and there was nothing to be afraid of. He also told me he would pass on my complaints to the studio executive that said that.

[@isauldron4337]

That explains a lot

[@rahelhundie348]

"the point of scooby doo is to teach kids that monsters arent real" the 1st zombie island would like to have a brief chat with you

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

I always assumed the point of Scooby-Doo was to have a cast of likable characters solve a fun new mystery each episode or movie.

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

Well now I really feel bad for everyone involved.

[@casketbase7750]

Moderately fun fact: Alan Smithy is a well-known pseudonym in Hollywood that directors use when they're too embarrassed to put their real names on a bad movie. Any joke I could make here would be too easy.

[@ivorynk752]

I thought it sounded familiar

[@tfordham13]

Should have been made by allen

[@grapeshot]

Yeah whoever did this it was like they deliberately wanted to undo the legacy of Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island.

[@gamervox1707]

This movie when did come out? Is it real?

[@Tabbimura]

@@gamervox1707 Scooby Doo on Zombie island. It's like...the first direct to video movie in the annual line of movies.

[@gamervox1707]

@@Tabbimura No I remember the original one but never seen or hard about the return one.

[@QuincyQuinn95]

@@gamervox1707 yes it was real, and it came out in 2019 after another movie that basically did the same kind of butchering to the 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo

[@gamervox1707]

@@QuincyQuinn95 I remember something about a Scooby-Doo WWE movie in that time proud but nothing about this?

[@michaelnally2841]

In fairness to Fred’s voice actor Frank Whelker he’s been playing Fred since the very beginning and Fred’s voice is mostly just Whelker’s regular voice (just on a bit of coffee) and well Frank Welker is in his 70s he’s not exactly getting any younger.

[@almightycinder]

Also, to give it even more context: the original voice actor for Scooby, Don Messick, died 26 years ago.

The same Frank Welker who voiced Megatron?

[@almightycinder]

@ Yep. Seriously, look him up. He has a ton of roles. He was also Dr Claw in Inspector Gadget.

[@Soufriere84]

Yep. Frank Welker has been voicing Fred since 1969 (except A Pup Named Scooby-Doo) and took over Scooby-Doo in ~2002, a few years after Don Messick's death -- he did NOT voice Scooby in the original Zombie Island but should have. Honestly, Welker didn't sound off to me in these clips. I think he did the best he could with a godawful script. Age aside, he sounds fine when the script isn't crap. The man is a legitimate voice acting legend.

[@Soufriere84]

@@almightycinder And Brain. He came back 25 years later to voice them both again in Robot Chicken's IG skit along with Cree Summer (Penny's original VA who was a kid during the original show). Unfortunately, Don Adams had died a few years earlier but Maurice LaMarche does an excellent impersonation…

[@DBArtsCreators]

They could have saved a bit of this easily: * Fred sold the Mystery Machine not because "they were told to stay out of trouble", but to pay for a hospital bill after all of them got injured (perhaps namely Scooby & Shaggy because of the gang's investigation, or with ONLY those 2 getting out of the situation unharmed because of their cowardice). * Shaggy forced everyone into the "no more mysteries!" promise not in response to something they were told, but in response to how close all of them came to permanent injury/death, on top of their many supernatural encounters (let alone their encounters with dangerous/desperate humans).

[@jturner2577]

That would have made far more sense

[@AndiousWandarier]

I think the "everyone except Shaggy and Scooby end up in the hospital" idea is even better because it implies that, after everything they've been through and put up with, it was seeing their loved ones get seriously hurt that pushed them to finally draw the line, but eventually relenting when they see just how miserable everyone is, and of course everyone agreeing to the promise in the first place implies how much they care about Shaggy and Scooby.

[@hearmeout1767]

You're smarter than the people who have made this movie...

[@DBArtsCreators]

@@hearmeout1767 Nah, just aware and focused on making a good product.

[@TransJenn]

The mystery machine wasn't sold because of staying out of trouble. They did it in the last movie

[@madisonwaycaster9832]

No one who hates an original work this much should be allowed to make an adaptation/sequel/parody of said original work

[@jturner2577]

Agreed.

[@skorn8112]

Exorcist 2 comes to mind on that

[@adampkalb]

Just ask the people who do not like the Kelvin Star Trek movies, or Discovery and Picard. All they accomplish is remaking Star Trek for a completely different audience in all the worst ways, and insult Gene Roddenberry's grave in the same way Velma insults Joe Ruby and Ken Spears' grave.

[@ZemeckisTEN]

Teen Titans Go in a nutshell.

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@ZemeckisTEN and Code Lyoko Evolution

[@ElArtistaDeLaGalaxia]

Today's Moral: When you do a sequel to A MOVIE, WATCH THE FIRST MOVIE

[@robbiewalker2831]

Or, if you want to do a sequel that pays respect to it’s predecessor, DON’T BE TOXICALLY CYNICAL ABOUT IT’S EXISTANCE!

[@RiukuCresent]

They seemingly did! Which really confuses me! Did the staff even talk to each other?!

[@jturner2577]

@@RiukuCresent Highly doubt it.

[@jbcatz5]

It was a cash and nostalgia grab

[@mattwolf7698]

@@jturner2577 It covers lore from the first movie (and wrecks it)

[@mesektet5776]

You know what would actually make this film work? If at the end of the film, the real Mystery Inc. took the rubber masks off this Daphne, Velma, Fred and Shaggy.

[@DaFlo_w]

Still would be a waste of time though.

[@alexjewett7455]

What about the fake Scooby?

[@JollyRancherGeno]

@@alexjewett7455 I guess it could be Scooby-Dum in disguise...?

[@DaFlo_w]

@@alexjewett7455 Velma: "Swamp gas."

[@mariatelos]

Return to Zombie Island feels like it started as A Pup Named Scooby Doo parody of the original, but got changed at the last minute without revising the script.

[@Pr0jectFM]

The Squidward's house joke killed me

[@gravityhero2227]

At least return to Zombie island doesn't have jokes about sickle cell or have Velma twerking near Fred's mom's dead body.

[@Supasmartguy]

What it does have is 10 times worse than that, though.

[@ThePumpDaddyC]

"Its not like Shaggy won a contest to a Mansion he didn't even Enter. " I understood that refrence. Luigis Mansion.

[@toganium4175]

*Crystal Cove gets blown up* Shaggy: tHe sHeRiFf tOLd uS tO sTaY oUt oF tRoUbLe.

[@sunbeames1847]

One of the -adult's- teenager's identity gets stolen Shaggy: guys, we're supposed to be staying out of trouble. No solving this...

[@leeiif]

WWIII starts. Shaggy: I, for one, won't be getting involved in this particular situation.

[@Onion_57]

The sheriff thing actually ties back to the previous direct to video film, they introduced this sheriff character for an overarching story across a few films, to have him be revealed as a villain later.

[@sarahsims6164]

Yeah, it completely ruined the potential of Happy Halloween Scooby-Doo.

[@animegx45]

They ruined that previous movie too. That was NOT a good ending to 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo.

[@laurenbonner2393]

Honestly, I hated that trilogy purely because Velma's attitude was garbage. She's usually my favorite character, but that trilogy ruined her character. Then Mindy Kaling comes along and rewrites Velma's character to be even worse of a person. Why can't the smart nerd character just be a sweet, endearing dork instead of an arrogant pointdexter? Just why?

[@jturner2577]

@@laurenbonner2393 Or Arrogant but not insufferable like she was in Mystery Incorporated.

[@jturner2577]

@@animegx45 Even the director Tim Sherrdin knows that.

[@cromwellpictures7546]

13:01 - 13:02 Velma likes science projects, computer work, reading books, she is a big Hex Girls fan and she likes hockey too. 😂😂

[@jturner2577]

Pre 2015 Velma was pretty rad.

[@user-mx4is4fx3c]

@@jturner2577 Seriously. I love Mystery inc but it really ruined Velma.

[@cromwellpictures7546]

@@user-mx4is4fx3c I enjoy Mystery Incorporated too but I do agree with you.

[@johnmichael2692]

And yet even with all that her life as well as daphne and Fred’s are all empty without mystery solving, even though there’s more things than just mystery solving but clearly those 3 would be so lost without it lol 😂

[@kristofgriffin384]

I've noticed a trend in the more recent Scooby-Doo movies. Whenever they introduce or bring back something that's obviously supernatural, they always make sure to still end it with a guy in a suit, regardless of how contrived it is. KISS are intergalactic guardians with Sailor Moon powers? Just a dream. They finally tracked down the 13th ghost that escaped from the Chest of Demons? Just another guy in a suit. The zombies they encountered on Moonscar Island? Swamp gas.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Like, the hell are they doing with this franchise, man?

[@dunkanbulk14]

That trend also ruined Courage the Cowardly Dog with that crossover

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

Imagine them remaking Scooby Natural

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@alchemistofsteel8099 Or Scooby Doo and the Witch's Ghost.

[@SgtBilby]

Because with Bill and Joe dead, the people behind the IP decided to ret-con what made Scooby cool again because to WB, Scooby is a kids IP and they must insult the kids intelligence because kids be dumb yo!

[@BugsyFoga]

It's pretty lame to know that both the Sequels for Zombie Island and 13th ghost decide to just retcon the existence of actual monsters.😑

[@MortalAnonymous]

That retcon was the only thing making me even potentially interested to see them. lol But the rest of this character assassination keeps me faaaar away.

[@jturner2577]

@@MortalAnonymous Retconing those projects is stupid.

[@MortalAnonymous]

@@jturner2577 To each their own, but I hate real monsters in my Scooby. So to me it's a shame these retcons aren't so much sequels as just new terrible movies that don't understand the characters.

[@johnmichael2692]

The other problem is Velma keeps acting like a skeptical egghead about the real stuff

[@zemox2534]

​@@MortalAnonymous Why? Just curious

[@eatatjoes6751]

The *biggest* crime this movie commits is that it taints the legacy of the original by association and wasted potential. Now every time someone brings up Zombie Island you have to specify that there's only one movie ala The Incredibles and mourn over how the adult versions of the gang will never be expanded upon again because this thing retconned them back to being teenagers with "summer jobs".

[@Soufriere84]

I don't hate Incredibles 2. No, it wasn't anywhere as good as the original but at least Brad Bird was still in charge and made it work when it could have been a complete trainwreck (I don't think it was)

[@juliagoodwin9510]

The Incredibles 2 wasn't that bad...

[@Pylo-ry6ff]

What exactly is wrong with the second incredibles movie?

[@jturner2577]

@@juliagoodwin9510 Certainly a step down from the Incredibles but still a good movie.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

@@jturner2577 Fair enough.

[@someguycalledgoober155]

Fun fact: Palm trees can grow in Louisiana, but they're just not native there. So they could have planted real palm trees.

[@HunterX05]

I usually like Matthew Lillard's Shaggy, but I have no idea what was going on with his voice in this one. It sounds like he gargled pop-rocks, downed a bunch of tequila and Nyquil, and spent an hour screaming into the void *all at the same time*

[@nathanblevins158]

Same here.

[@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000]

He's getting old

[@HunterX05]

@@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000 he's sounded fine in Scooby-Doo projects since Return to Zombie Island, try again

[@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000]

@@HunterX05 you try again 🙄🙄🙄

[@HunterX05]

@@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000 _no. I don't think I will._

[@PhantomAarantula]

The funny thing about the mansion that was won in a contest never entered is that Luigi's Mansion even has King Boo call the Mario Bros gullible.

[@Soufriere84]

At least Luigi questioned it… Mario didn't but then he isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed…

[@SSBBPOKEFAN]

@@Soufriere84 I believe Mario went ahead to scope the place out of suspicion. Though I may be remembering wrong or letting headcanon get mixed into things.

[@johnmichael2692]

Mario and Luigi are no where near gullible like the newer versions of Fred, Velma and daphne today lol 😂

[@lucasgibbs4050]

Worse than Velma? It may be bad, but it’s not that bad.

[@AttemptedVoices]

This reminds me of what Doug Walker said during his First Viewing of Kangaroo Jack: "Actors, when you have to say lines like this, do you just think: "...Shlt. Paycheck, just think of the paycheck! Rent!" From Frank to Matthew, this was totally just a paycheck for all of them.

[@jturner2577]

Oh I wouldn't be surprised.

[@user-mx4is4fx3c]

That's true and it makes it even funnier that most of the voice actors refused to be associated with Velma. Like not even a paycheck was worth that shit.

[@thephantomsplit]

I think the biggest crime was that "It's Terror Time Again" wasn't used once. Hell, imagine an updated version of that song, that would've been amazing! EDIT: The reason why they sold the Mystery Machine was, get this, this was apart of a "trilogy" that includes the following: Scooby-Doo and The Curse of the 13th Ghost Scooby-Doo: Return to Zombie-Island Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo And I put quotes around trilogy, because they do a terrible job trying to connect them. If you want more info on this, I recommend ToonGrin's reviews of those movies.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Speaking of, i can remember a long time ago someone made a fanmade music video of the cat creature chase scene from "Return to Zombie Island" and they used "It's Terror Time Again" as the background music and amazingly it fit so well.

[@michaelnally2841]

Oh no it’s terror time again is way too good a song to waste on this piece of doggie doo

[@oomi9030]

Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo felt like a fever dream, idk what to think of it I’d say the best movie of that trilogy was Curse of the 13th Ghost, even though the Ending ruined a lot of the good the movie was building up to

[@sarahsims6164]

Yeah, the last one should've been its own thing instead of connecting it to this crapfest.

[@alexusvalentine6233]

Said trilogy was meant to clean up the unsolved ending of "The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo", so technically this is a part of that timeline. EDIT: So what this movie is saying is that this is a direct sequel to not only The Curse of the 13th Ghost, but Zombie Island *AND* retcons the part of them being adults? WTF are they even trying to do?

[@someguycalledgoober155]

The premise of the first half of this movie, where they can't solve mysterious and stuff was handled way better in Legend of the Phantosaur. That movie had it that Shaggy legit couldn't go on mysteries any more due to, basically, health issues. So they decided to go for something more relaxing in the Mustard Machine. It's also the movie with Ultra Instinct Shaggy in it.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

The movie that implies that Shaggy could be a complete Monster at Battle if he was more corageous Because the movie Only gave him courage. The fightning abilities are implied to be all his

[@someguycalledgoober155]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Which honestly makes sense, to me at least. We seen he's able to become a Samurai in What's New, he went to Military School in Mystery Inc. He runs like zero to out of there in a matter of seconds. Even in the comics he was given the powers of Shazam (briefly) and was a Yellow Lantern (Equally as briefly). Again, just me though.

[@WeirdWonderful]

The real suspicious part here is winning a contest whose rules conveniently allow Shaggy to bring along the only three people he knows and his dog, specifically.

[@davidtierney7941]

It’s especially bad because it’s revealed in “Happy Halloween Scooby Doo” that the “Sheriff” is actually a villain who wants revenge on the gang!

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

“Swap gas” certainly is a fitting way to describe this movie

[@johnmichael2692]

It also makes me want to throw a big heavy book of there real ghost and monsters encounters at Velma’s head for being a huge skeptical egghead

[@dexstewart862]

This movie felt like it was made by people in their own echo chamber and just assumed it was unanimous everyone hated Zombie Island and would appreciate it being nonsensically undone. A real Last Jedi/Rise of Skywalker situation.

[@TheDeonProductionsChannel]

“Perhaps I treated Scoob too harshly…”

[@geardog24]

It's like this conspiracy with a collection of Karens and executives got together and said, "Let's ruin a great version of Scooby-Doo."

[@CaptainSpiffari]

Louisiana literally has real palm trees. Granted, not coconuts, but still.

[@crazyluigi6664]

Arizona also has palm trees, but no one considers Arizona tropical.

[@CaptainSpiffari]

@@crazyluigi6664 Well Arizona is mostly desert and a landlocked state, Louisiana has both palm trees and is a coastal state. (And I believe Louisiana, along with Florida and Southern California (and Southern Arizona for that matter) are technically in the SUBtropics (and there are plenty of places in temperate zones with palms, like other parts of California, Las Vegas, New Zealand, etc.,) Technically, "tropical" is a heat zone rather than referring necessarily to beaches and such, so some desert areas are technically actually tropical in that they are in the tropics.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@CaptainSpiffari yes, but in pop culture, Tropical usually refers to an island, usually in the Caribbean or the Pacific, that has sunny beaches, palm trees, and bars galore. Does that sound the Louisiana Bayou to you?

[@CaptainSpiffari]

@@ntfoperative9432 To be honest it sorta does sound tropical, just mixed with country swamp. (I live in Florida, which pretty much has its own bayou in the form of the Everglades)

[@kaylaminguez8427]

Saw Velma all the way through, Frank Welker's potrayal of Fred's dad sounds like hes struggling to do the fred voice still, it sounds almost painful for him. I think years of scooby voice may have caused that.

[@jbcatz5]

Sounds like Julie Kravner doing the Marge Simpson voice for over three decades now.

[@jemdemonbelle2097]

Reminds me of when they tried to conclude the 13 ghosts of scooby doo. *SPOILERS* only to have it revealed the 13th ghost wasn't real, and was just a guy who hated not vincent price. I was SO mad at that.

[@QuincyQuinn95]

yeah this was the movie they did right after that one, and they basically ruined it the same way - sad

[@jemdemonbelle2097]

@@QuincyQuinn95 I know, it mad me so mad. The only thing I liked was the vooce actor for not vincent price. (I can't remember names to save my life.)

[@Soufriere84]

@@jemdemonbelle2097 Pretty sure it's Maurice LaMarche, who is known for his near-perfect impersonations of old-era actors like Orson Welles, Vincent Price, Don Adams, and has a lot of VA credits in his own right. He's up there with Frank Welker (Fred + Scooby) in terms of range.

[@jturner2577]

Tim Sherrdian was forced by WB to write that in.

[@skorn8112]

Vincent Van Ghoul was the character Vincent Price played

[@mafeuk]

My theory is that the people behind this hated the original Zombie Island movie because it was "too serious" and didn´t have the original Scooby Doo "essence" so they completely butchered the canon established by the first movie and undoing everything, even making the gang teenagers again and wearing their original clothes.

[@jturner2577]

Wouldn't be too surprised TBH.

[@blekksverd]

Honestly, I don't think it's that terrible of an idea to have gang swear off mystery solving, only to be forced into mysteries at every turn, but it kinda needs a reason. Both a character related reason and a narrative one.

[@jturner2577]

A good narrative one.

[@ntfoperative9432]

Like maybe they all want to retire from mystery solving to move on with their lives, but on their last get away together they get dragged into another mystery, and while solving it they realize how much they would miss it

[@PaulW_ftPAULK]

I don't regret not having seen this one as a diehard Scooby-Doo fan!

[@justapotato1623]

I envy you

[@da-vidcargill4975]

I regretted watching this as a scobby fan

[@princessmarlena1359]

Thank God I missed this one.

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

"The Sheriff told us to stay out of trouble"? The very first episode of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated literally opened with the Crystal Cove sheriff arresting the gang for "causing trouble" with their mystery solving, and that STILL didn't stop them from solving the mystery of that episode or the episodes that came after, or even the overarching mystery of who Mr. E and the original Mystery Incorporated were. So what the actual Hell is this?

[@robbiewalker2831]

To be fair, “Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated” is shit for toxically melodramatic cynicism. Anything that “Velma” did, it was all that SDMI’s fault.

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

@@robbiewalker2831 Actually, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated is probably the most beloved incarnation of Scooby Doo. That show is actually what Velma wants to be but failed miserably in doing so

[@Soufriere84]

​@@robbiewalker2831 YOU may hate Mystery Inc. for doing that stuff, but the majority disagree with you. At the time it was a much-needed breath of fresh air for the franchise. I don't agree with every choice the writers made, but at least Mystery Inc. was COMPETENT, and while it leans into cynicism in its first season, it works because of a good setup. Velma WANTS to be Mystery Incorporated 2.0 but is too far up its own ass to try

[@Specsboy1999]

@@robbiewalker2831 While your opinion is negative and you probably have other reasons for disliking the show that would take me a long time to change and we both have better things to do than do a flame war, I do agree that MI's Velma was too cynical AT FIRST with her tosic relationship to Shaggy and having a "hates her friends" attitude in season one but she improved for season two (Getting a girlfriend helped). Also MI did a serialised story way better and remembered to keep characters consistent without shoving in unfunny metahumor to try and be a Harley Quinn style show but without the likeable characters. But you probably have other reasons for disliking the show, so you do you.

[@Soufriere84]

@@Specsboy1999 Hot Dog Water (Marcie Fleek) = Best Girl Seriously though: Mystery Inc. worked because its creators respected the source material (except Scrappy-Doo) and built on it for cool story twists… unlike this sh!t or VELMA that tears it all down. It's not _wrong_ to deconstruct Scooby-Doo… Zombie Island did that nearly 25 years ago! It just takes care.

[@charliechaplin852]

"tHe sHeRiFf tOlD uS tO sTaY oUt oF tRoUbLe"

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

Fun Fact: Alan Smithee is a pseudonym used by directors who disown a project.

[@Garyfan2001]

I don't think this movie should even be considered as canon to the original movie. Because the characters in the original were adults This movie feels like an attempt to capitalize off of the success of the original movie, since Scooby Doo movies are produced at a constant rate now. They probably thought "if we could factory produce a sequel. and call it Return to Zombie Island, and put a modern coat of paint on it. A lot of people would watch this and it would be a success"

[@Trevthehedgehog7]

So, in essence, it's a desperate cash grab. Got it.

[@jturner2577]

That's what it is, a lazy cash grab with no love for the film it's following up.

[@azariahgarcia8958]

The biggest thing that confused me about it is that they made it a sequel to zombie island….in the current scooby movie continuity, the one that’s constantly about disproving anything supernatural at any turn. When I saw the trailer for it; it confused me, because it’s clearly not meant to be the same universe. And ironically this movie and the previous one, thirteen ghosts, actually made me dislike Velma, at least with how they portrayed her as a know it all that has to be right no matter what.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

It was sad too because I actually liked the 13th ghost but Velma in it was kind of annoying

[@Soufriere84]

@@lightdarksoul2097 She would be (I say as a fan who usually likes Velma) because she wasn't IN the original 13 Ghosts cartoon -- it was only Shaggy, Scooby, Daphne, Vincent Price, and those other two we don't talk about -- so there couldn't be any real role for Velma or Fred unless a better writer than WB would hire handled it

[@viruschris3160]

@@Soufriere84 Scrappy. He’s name is Scrappy. Show proper respect. If it wasn’t for him being created the Scooby series would’ve been cancelled long ago and we wouldn’t get Scooby on Zombie Island and the Witch’s Curse. So no Hex Girls and no Terror Time Again song.

[@user-mx4is4fx3c]

@@viruschris3160 Nah, what caused the Scooby doo renaissance that led to these is a pup named Scooby Doo. Not Scrappy and his shitty show.

[@johnmichael2692]

Yeah they really turned her into a big skeptical egghead which is so annoying I just wanna throw a big heavy book of all there real ghost and monster encounters at her head

[@kaiturner5011]

It’s revealed in Curse Of The 13th Ghost (the previous Scooby-Doo movie) Fred sold the Mystery Machine because they had to stop solving mysteries from the sheriff. I don’t blame anyone if they get confused about it if they didn’t watch that one first.

[@colonelmustang854]

And then the next movie (Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo) reveals that the sheriff is actually evil. And he’s not even a real sheriff. He’s actually a disgraced CEO named Cutler Toe that the gang had unmasked as the Trash Monster of Scranton in a prior unseen caper who came to Crystal Cove and impersonated a sheriff to get revenge on them by gradually breaking their morale. And in his last scene, it’s heavily implied that the Scarecrow (yes, the Batman villain) *literally murdered him* for trying to frame him for unleashing the Jackal Lanterns to disrupt the Halloween parade. It’s like Maxwell Atoms knew how stupid the idea of Mystery Inc. not being allowed to solve mysteries was and wrote the film with the express purpose of dismantling that entire setup in the most thorough way he could possibly come up with. When you give the Billy & Mandy guy the keys to the kingdom, don’t be surprised when he enacts radical policies to clean up the streets.

[@Barakon]

If y’a wanted to see tropical yet swampy? Go a couple a states south, that one peninsula got some islands.

[@wattsink2009]

I’ve actually already begun concocting a better sequel to Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island! 😎 It’s implied to have taken place shortly after the events of the first movie (and probably after Scooby-Doo And The Witch’s Ghost as well), and it mostly centers around Velma ironically being the cowardly one who doesn’t want to go back to Moonscar Island (because she has PTSD over recalling that first time one of their mysteries nearly made them suffer a fate worse than death), and Shaggy and Scooby ironically have to encourage her to be brave (right down to Scooby-Doo half-jokingly offering her a Scooby Snack)! ☺️ Sounds better already, doesn’t it?

[@laurenbonner2393]

I think that's a great idea!

[@TempestDarkwound]

YES!

[@Signerdragon123]

And if the cynicism were to be kept in for Velma's character, actually elaborate on it as a coping mechanism which she has to gradually break out of.

[@raulcerna1093]

I mean Velma and Fred would probably the most affected by the events of Zombie Island since they are the ones who don't believe in the supernatural (Shaggy and Scooby are scared regardless ,doesn't matter if the monster is real or not and Daphne wanted a real haunted house so that means she believes in the paranormal ).It would be pretty jarring to encounter not only real zombies ,but werecats after years of catching monsters that turned out to be fake

[@BronyNumber4096]

If I could make changes to SDoZI 1, one of them would be to have, instead of Fred, have _Velma_ be the one to tear the head off the zombie in that "You're in denial" scene. _She_ was always the biggest sceptic in the series!

[@Hawbitten]

You're almost at 200 reviews in the series. Congratulations!

[@TrevortheTrainFan]

Can’t wait for his 200th review!!! 😁

[@Thewolfguys.cartoons2000]

Not only that, his channel is almost close to being 10 years old

[@ShadyRK9]

Scooby Doo Zombie Island: A Movie That DIDN'T Need A Squeal! 🧟💀

[@erubin100]

Weren't witches ghost, alien invasion, and the virus one technically sequels?

[@jbcatz5]

@@erubin100 Same continuity but I wouldn’t call them sequels in that they don’t follow up directly from the original Zombie Island. Doing another legit supernatural menace playing it straight would have been a far better move.

[@jturner2577]

@@jbcatz5 Real Monsters is what saved the franchise from fading away.

[@thewittywhygaming6487]

I am so happy "Because Potatoes" is still a thing. So silly, yet its one of my favorite jokes for this channel. :)

[@Soufriere84]

Where would Enter be without his potatoes?? (lulz) "This is stupid, I _know_ it's stupid, but I'm gonna do it anyway!" is a close second 👍 "Pointing out your writing/pacing/plot is crap doesn't make it not crap!" is third ^_^

[@Trevthehedgehog7]

Hell, it's so good, that Chuggaaconroy borrowed the joke for one of his videos, dressing down Paper Mario: Sticker Star!

[@yellowpig1026]

@@Soufriere84 "I'm gonna do it anyway" is honestly my favorite of enter's running gags

[@nathanforester5993]

This completely ignores the fact that supernatural creatures actually do exist in the universe of this franchise.

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

I think the issue is that super natural creatures have become so common its actually a surprise when it's a real person

[@jturner2577]

@@alchemistofsteel8099 Which I get but when you're making Continuations of Scooby-Doo Properties that had real monster, you let them be real monsters.

[@mattwolf7698]

@@alchemistofsteel8099 I think the majority of Scooby monsters are still fake though, even most of them were fake in Mystery Inc.

[@jturner2577]

@@mattwolf7698 Exactly which is why both should be able to co exist.

[@commonviewer2488]

This raises the question, "did the people behind the sequel even see the original?"

[@PixelByteSquad]

Im 8 minutes into this and man They really went "hey? Remember this amazing movie in the Scooby timeline? Lets make this awful sequel that retcons shit like their ages!"

[@itspikachutime5624]

After what I’ve seen on KZbin about Velma especially it’s ending your gonna have to do a lot of work in this video to convince me this is worse

[@Soufriere84]

Velma is a standalone crap story, THIS pretends to be a sequel to a beloved classic and f**ks it up. A bad sequel can diminish the goodness of the original by association, but a standalone only nukes itself. QED

[@Payload82]

I always though Simone used moonscare treasure to pay for repairs to her home through the centuries.

[@Soufriere84]

See? Now THAT is plausible reasoning that could have been used in the original or this alleged sequel. IIRC they also got income from selling the chili peppers that grow on the island (Tabasco Sauce is also Louisianan)

[@sonicmastersword8080]

I suspect that was the original means, but later on it became draining tourists bank accounts dry via fraud. That and sales of the peppers.

[@wattsink2009]

14:22 I think he said, “moths.” 🤔

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

The director character is actually named Alan Smithee. That's not the worst reference I've heard in a movie.

[@almightycinder]

I dunno, they stopped using that name almost 20 years before this movie came out.

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@almightycinder Wow. So not only is this movie piggybacking off of a 20 year old movie, its reference is dated too. Woo.

[@Soufriere84]

@@almightycinder They stopped using Alan Smithee because the Academy forced directors to not use it anymore. Yeah, the Academy + SAG + DG + all those other Hollywood unions have some weird-ass bylaws…

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

I'm just saying it's a bit of a deep cut.

[@EggFighterXB-]

@@KeybladeMasterAndy Velociraptor: "Alan"

[@1fishmob]

For context, this is a sequel to Curse of the 13th Ghost, where, because the Scooby gang apprehended the wrong culprit, they were banned from solving mysteries, and as such, had to get rid of all their mystery paraphernalia. That's why Fred sold the Mystery Machine. However, that movie is its own can of worms that deserves its own video.

[@jonswecker6556]

I didn't know that Mr.Enter knew Schaff.

[@HjFaiz]

Another problem with this movie is it's not only supposed to be a sequel to Zombie Island but the previous movie Curse of the 13th Ghost which was a sequel to The 13 ghosts of Scooby-Doo, So basically this is supposed to be a sequel to a movie where the gang slip up cause they were tired of all the monsters being fake but also a follow-up to a series where 3 members of the gang had encountered ACTUAL ghosts multiple times, Also at the time they were very insistent that the monsters in these movies couldn't be real so they made Velma not just Sceptical but basically outright deny the existence anything supernatural to the point that in Curse of the 13th ghost she not only refuses to believe her friends about them encountering ghosts but that the demons of that series weren't real so they don't recapture the final demon meaning it's still free somewhere out in the world.

[@SunnysFilms]

Why would you age the gang down in a movie where winning a contest you would legally have to be an adult to accept the prize for is the inciting incident?? And I thought Velma having them be teenagers made no sense. (Still creepier there, though.)

[@sunbeames1847]

As a forewarning, I never watched the film, so this could be way off base. Trying to play devil's advocate, perhaps Fred sells the mystery machine specifically because it's a "temptation trigger" of somekind, and keeping it might act as a subliminal temptation of solving mysteries similar to nicotine addicts throwing away lighters and ash trays when trying to quit smoking....not a sound explanation since it requires solving mysteries to be treated as an addiction, but still.

[@PhantomAarantula]

I've never seen the movie either, but seeing the mystery machine as something that could trigger a relapse from just having it makes sense to me.

[@QuincyQuinn95]

yeah no, it's tied to the previous movie's plot.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

I mean it wouldn't be as weird as fred's obsession for Traps in Mystery Incorporated

[@mrawesome3642]

Lowkey, Was actually about to watch this movie tomorrow (I'm not joking), Haven't watched the video yet but thanks for the warning Enter.

[@KingdomHeartsFan-mu9cf]

Shaggy saying there’s sand when there clearly isn’t is one of my new favorite mistakes in media now.

[@maybeplease88878]

Between this and Velma, someone at warner bros really hate scooby doo

[@superchicken5095]

The reason they quit is because this movie is connected to "Scooby-Doo and the curse of the 13th ghost", which had the mystery gang quitting because of them capturing an old man. Also, THAT film is a sequel to a very old Scooby-Doo show, "The 13 ghosts of Scooby-Doo".

[@clericofchaos1]

I didn't even know they made a "return to zombie island"...how is it that i've seen scooby doo meets kiss but haven't even heard of a sequel to zombie island?

[@therealestmedel5337]

This film and the film before it basically try’s to retcon the real supernatural element of the series

[@jturner2577]

Which is incredibly stupid because both the real monsters and people in costumes appoarches are franchise staples. People around my age (28) grew up with the gang encountering real monsters. Hell if it wasn't for real monsters, Scooby-Doo would be virtually obsurce.

[@jbcatz5]

The fact that the Jacques lookalike breaks into a Shakespeare recitation should have been brought up as a clue. It’s one of the most well known scenes from Romeo and Juliet, itself one of the most famous plays penned by the Bard, but for someone in a hotel on an island in the bayou to recite it is unusual.

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

Velma makes this look like a masterpiece though

[@sonicfan2403]

Eeeh, Velma is still awful though.

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

@@sonicfan2403 yeah velma is so bad it makes return to zombie island look like a masterpiece

[@mattwolf7698]

Not really, Velma was less boring than this in my opinion, also I'm able to easily accept Velma as its own continuity, this is straight up supposed to be a sequel to Zombie Island though.

[@Power11112]

No no it doesn’t you can’t just give everything else a pass cause one thing really sucked

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

​@AN-fo1zp I'm not saying it's good I'm just saying it's better

[@elliottthomas232]

The weird part is shaggy and scooby wanting a mystery free vacation would be a better reason for them to ask the gang to do no mysteries

[@Videoandme1]

Return to Zombie Island, and other similar Scooby Doo modern movies, tries so hard to remove the supernatural elements out of them. Doing so removes the fun of these movies. I remember watching the abominable snowman and the Lochness monster movies and there still had a hint of supernatural flair to them. Zombie Island, Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders- supernatural that made them fun. Modern Scooby Doo tries to gaslight us into thinking that the supernatural is something else when we know it isn't. If Zombie Island were to have a sequel, then they need to do it properly. For example: Moonscar's treasure hasn't been recovered. Make the main villain a guy in a Cat Creature costume scaring everyone from the island so that they can search for the treasure themselves. Reintroduce the detective guy (Gus I think his name was) and the fisherman and his pet boar. Heck, make the fisherman the cat creature and instead of the treasure, it is so that everyone gets scared off the island so he can finally catch that damn catfish. So much wasted potential here.

[@dovahkiin6488]

I felt instant dread when I saw there was a sequel to Zombie Island. Regrettably, I decided to watch it and surprise, surprise, I wasn't able to finish it. And I'm so glad I stopped watching it. I don't think I even reached halfway through it.

[@daltonmortimer7735]

Zombie Island already had 3 varyingly excellent sequels ( Witch's Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyberchase) and didn't need another sequel ( or at least one that doesn't bother to replicate anything good about any of the aforementioned) and for the love bof gods, how and why did they try to undo EVERYTHING good about Zombie Island?!

[@lisaswayne8241]

Cyberchase the best movie of all dang on time

[@daltonmortimer7735]

@@lisaswayne8241 I prefer witch's ghost of the lot but they're all top tier no questions

[@jturner2577]

@@daltonmortimer7735 Witch's Ghost was saved by a last minute rewrite because the original plan was for Sarah Ravencroft to be a hoax. Thankfully the last 25 minutes were changed so that Sarah Ravencroft was real.

[@daltonmortimer7735]

@@jturner2577 probably because the Zombie Island real monsters approach did so well

[@user-mx4is4fx3c]

@@daltonmortimer7735 Yeah. There was actually a fight behind the scenes because Warner didn't want real monsters in Scooby Doo even back then. This is why we only have four of those movies when the creators wanted to make many more. They got tired of Warner's crap after being forced to fully compromise on Cyber chase essentially being non horror.

[@debdimath]

I have little words. Except that Scooby-Doo is more than just kids constantly trying to solve mysteries. They have personalities and friendship across their iterations. Give the characters more respect and maybe it would have been a more interesting film.

[@Grey8270]

Rest In Peace Chris and Patrick

[@almightycinder]

The hotel guy said "moths". As in, moths ate the pages.

[@warwulf1889]

20:44 Actually the treasure was never fake. But due to Simone and Lena's revenge assualt on the pirates, it would've been lost to history as Simone and Lena would most likely spend a ton of time covering up everything that had happened so that they could start their scheme of luring people to the island.

[@AgentSkyblueM79]

When it comes to what they try to retcon here, stuff like the end of Mystery Incorporated or the credits of Frankencreepy seem like their way of acknowledging that not everything is going to line up, and there may or may not be an explanation for some of it, but that's not the point when looking at the franchise as a whole.

[@Danominator]

Okay, you got me with the "Because Potatoes" bit

[@robbiewalker2831]

It’s a running joke.

[@trumpeterjen]

The decision not to give Daphne sclera (the whites of the eyes) is really jarring. It works alright for the other characters, but something about her eyes being purple just makes them clash and stand out.

[@MarxistMomentum]

When you said this was worse than Velma I was skeptical, but I'm shocked to find that you're actually right!

[@adampkalb]

Why tho? Return to Zombie Island was bad enough for insulting people who like Scooby-Doo, but I still think Velma is the greater of the two insults because it was made after the original two creators died in 2020, and because it also hates its audience even more than Return to Zombie Island since it also insults people who never cared about Scooby-Doo before now. There is even more bitterness, hatred and spite embedded in Velma than in Return to Zombie Island.

[@darthkhan29x98]

22:04-22:06 *Dib Membrane* : "Swamp gas?"

[@grandarkfang_1482]

...they made a sequel to Zombie Island? *_Why?_*

[@Pomni740]

You're my favorite youtuber.

[@TrevortheTrainFan]

He’s one of my favorite KZbinrs too! 😉

[@GuyontheInternet525]

The Blues Brothers 2000 of Animation

[@hatchmaster_5745]

Samwise, Sans, Shaggy. Three people who have an unhealthy attachment to promises :v

[@crabcakeenthusiast692]

For everyone curious, I think the saxophone synth he uses in his intro is called DVS saxophone, because I've used it myself.

[@DShy96]

*Sees thumbnail* That's a rather big call ngl. This should be interesting

[@sho829]

It's not the og movie its the sequel. Also there was a sequel???

[@Soufriere84]

@@sho829 Everyone is better off pretending there wasn't a sequel. I don't acknowledge it exists.

[@yellowpig1026]

Honestly i see where enter is coming from. Velma is an insult to the franchise but it's in a different continuity so it can just be ignored, this movie is actively retconning shit from the most beloved scooby doo movie

[@sho829]

@@yellowpig1026 velma is supposed to be a prequel somehow???

[@yellowpig1026]

@@sho829 it's supposed to be telling an origin of how the gang got together but it's a different version of the gang in a different continuity

[@robinsonsonic]

So very happy I didn't know this movie existed until just now, my goodness this looks and sounds awful. Considering how much I love the original Zombie Island, the fact that they felt a sequel was needed, then botched it this badly, is just unspeakably awful. Thank you for watching this for me, Mr. Enter, cause good grief I couldn't do it.

[@joshuacritchfield3564]

This movie was actually the middle part of a trilogy of directed video movies. The previous 1 the sheriff ask them to stop for their own safety. In the 3rd 1He turned out to be the villain And it was all part of his plan to keep them out of his business.

[@W0lfbaneShikaisc00l]

Fred: Yaaay the arsonist movie director gets to go home scott free and keep the treasure... well gang, I think this mystery is solved! Shaggy: Wait... I can't help but think we did something wrong... Scooby: SCOOBY DOOBY DOOOOOOOOOOOO! Velma: Don't ask me, I'm apathetic.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Another sequel cash grab that nobody asked for, that's what it was. same goes for "The Curse Of The 13th Ghost."

[@Dr.WaluigiReviews]

Both of these movies are garbage and spit on both the series they make a sequel to.

[@michaelnally2841]

Curse of the 13th ghost has somewhat of a reason as it was meant to wrap up the 13 ghosts of scooby doo. A series that I have not seen but I heard was cancelled before they could finish the story.

[@Dr.WaluigiReviews]

@@michaelnally2841 that's true but much like what this movie does it changed everything from what made that series great, by having teal monsters the gang faced, to another rendition of the original show.

[@michaelnally2841]

@@Dr.WaluigiReviews I did hear about that and I’m 95% sure no one who worked on 13 ghosts worked on the film as I’m pretty sure most of them like Don Messick, Casey Kasem, and of course Vincent Price are no longer with us, or retired and weren’t even contacted. Again that’s a guess on my end.

[@Soufriere84]

@@michaelnally2841 Literally the only person who did voice work on the 1986 "13 Ghosts" who's still alive is Daphne's voice actress Heather North, but she's long retired -- everyone else is dead including Flim-Flam's VA. The bigger sin was WB never tried to contact 13G's original producer Tom Reugger (same guy who went on to do Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, & Freakazoid! - you'd WANT a guy with _that_ track record onboard).

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

I feel that if they showed them solving a mystery first but something goes wrong where they are forced to temporarily retire from solving mysteries, the maybe the beginning could work… maybe…

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Shaggy and Scooby were brave in the Return to Zombie Island movie? That's cool, but I never thought that day would happen. LOL at MrEnter for hoping that Fred dies first.

[@connornoiles2447]

I personally do like Matthew Lillard, but as you said personal preference

[@ActionFilmsFan1995]

I’ll counterpoint Fred saving the van: Fred nearly dying for his love of the van is more in character than him selling.

[@codyflake3080]

Also a big reason why I HATE this movie isn’t just because it’s awful. It’s because it’s a forgettable, tasteless POS!! We’ve had some bad Scooby-Doo movies and shows before but typically after watching them we were so freaking ticked that they became imbedded in our minds which is still impressive in it’s own way. This thing is so bland and STUPID that I forgot about it almost immediately after my first time seeing it.

[@RumbleDelta]

I remember finding that whole stupid "promise" thing infuriating. Shaggy's whining about "a PrOmIsE iS a PrOmIsE" is such primary school shit and made him and Scooby extremely annoying.

[@jturner2577]

Return To Zombie Island is a movie that has no reason to exist other than being a Lazy Cash Grab.